Australia is uniquely susceptible to the woke mind virus, with Andrew Gold on Heretics

Summary

The podcast episode discusses Australia's vulnerability to the "woke mind virus," highlighting cultural myths and societal issues. Host Will Kingston and guest Andrew Gold explore how misconceptions about Australia's laid-back, anti-authoritarian image contribute to its susceptibility to wokeism, influenced by its colonial history and current political climate. They delve into topics like multiculturalism, indigenous communities, and recent cultural shifts, emphasizing the need for genuine reform and addressing societal complacency. The conversation is engaging, covering the intersections of culture, politics, and societal norms in a changing world.

Highlights

• Australia's image as a laid-back, anti-authoritarian society is a myth; it's actually susceptible to wokeism. 🪐
• Cultural myths and misconceptions contribute to societal complacency and vulnerability to external ideological influences. 👀
• Multicultural policies are complicated by the dynamics of Islamic immigration and historical views on race and diversity. 🌐
• Indigenous issues are Australia's "dirty secret," highlighting the cultural taboo around discussing abuses in these communities. 🎭
• Political and media narratives often downplay or ignore critical societal issues due to fears of racism and ideological tilt. 🔍

Key Takeaways

• Australia isn't the laid-back, anti-authoritarian paradise many think it is; it's uniquely vulnerable to the 'woke mind virus.' 🌏
• Misconceptions about multiculturalism and immigration challenge Australia's societal cohesion, particularly with increasing Islamic immigration mix. 🧩
• Indigenous issues mirror global problems, but cultural relativism and fear of racism inhibit open discussion and reform. 🌿
• The debate over cultural identity, media portrayal, and political responses showcase the deeply rooted cognitive dissonance in society. 🎨
• Australia's political and social challenges reflect larger themes of complacency and cultural shifts in Western civilization. 🌍

Overview

In this insightful episode of 'Fire at Will,' host Will Kingston engages in a thought-provoking discussion with Andrew Gold about Australia's unique susceptibility to the 'woke mind virus.' Despite the common perception of Australians as relaxed and rugged individualists, there's a deep-seated truth about the country's vulnerability to authoritarian ideologies, rooted in its history and cultural psyche.

The conversation dives into multiculturalism and immigration, particularly focusing on how Islamic immigration has changed the societal landscape in Australia. These shifts reflect larger global patterns but also highlight local nuances in cultural integration and societal values. There's a pressing need for Australia's political and social systems to address these challenges with openness and sincerity.

Furthermore, the episode sheds light on indigenous issues in Australia, paralleling global challenges but with a distinct cultural twist. The discussion critiques cultural relativism and highlights the importance of pushing back against politically correct narratives that hinder genuine reform. This conversation serves as a reminder of the complexities within Australian society and the broader Western world, urging listeners to reconsider preconceived notions and strive for informed change.

Chapters

• 00:00 - 02:30: Introduction and Overview This chapter introduces the unique susceptibility of Australia to the wemind virus. It starts with a musical note and a statement highlighting the potential surprise to people regarding the country's vulnerability.
• 02:30 - 06:00: Australia's Perception and Reality The chapter delves into the common misconceptions about Australia, emphasizing a tendency towards authoritarianism and the complexities of multiculturalism. It discusses the specific challenges posed by Islamic immigration and references past works by Dawkins and Hitchens to illustrate the evolving cultural critique within the Australian context.
• 06:00 - 09:30: Cultural and Authoritarian Aspects Chapter 1: The chapter explores sensitive cultural and authoritarian issues prevalent in Australian society. It highlights the delicate balance between addressing grave matters such as child sexual abuse in indigenous communities and the taboo surrounding these discussions due to fears of being labeled racist. The chapter underlines the complexities of navigating cultural sensitivities while confronting significant social issues.
• 09:30 - 16:30: Immigration and Multiculturalism The chapter begins with an appeal from the host asking viewers to support the channel by liking and subscribing. This support is crucial for increasing the content's reach and attracting high-profile guests. The speaker transitions from this housekeeping matter to posing a question about British people's attitude towards immigration and multiculturalism.
• 16:30 - 23:30: Wokeism and Cultural Trends This chapter explores the misconception that countries like Australia are free from 'wokeism' and cultural trends associated with it. Despite some views suggesting Australians may move to Australia to escape these trends, the narrative posits that Australia is also deeply affected by so-called 'woke culture.' The discussion aims to challenge and dismantle cultural myths about Australia, particularly the belief that it is an 'anti-woke paradise.'
• 23:30 - 48:30: Indigenous Issues and Cultural Relativism The chapter challenges common Western perceptions of Australian culture, specifically the stereotypes of Australians being laidback, irreverent, and anti-authoritarian. It argues that these perceptions, often glorified through media and pop-culture icons like 'Crocodile Dundee,' are inaccurate. In reality, Australia is described as having a different cultural atmosphere, exemplified by references to contemporary figures like Hannah Gadsby.
• 48:30 - 59:00: Legal and Political Challenges The chapter titled 'Legal and Political Challenges' explores Australia's historical and cultural relationship with authoritarianism, as highlighted by Clive James, an Australian wit. He noted the paradox of Australia being more aligned with its jailer heritage than its convict origins. The country’s significant consumption of anti-depressants and its response to authority during the Covid-19 pandemic are discussed, challenging the notion of being anti-authoritarian. The text critiques the increasing formation of authoritarian-like 'wokeism' in modern Australian society.
• 59:00 - 60:00: Conclusion and Future Outlook The chapter discusses the susceptibility of Australia to 'wokeism', attributed to a cultural openness to authoritarian influence. The lack of a strong cultural origin, compared to the US's revolutionary roots or the UK's historical depth, is highlighted as a factor in this susceptibility.

Australia is uniquely susceptible to the woke mind virus, with Andrew Gold on Heretics Transcription

• 00:00 - 00:30 [Music] Australia is uniquely susceptible to the wemind virus that may comes a shock to some some people you probably need to
• 00:30 - 01:00 smash a couple of cultural myths about Australia first Australia's always been very happy with authoritarianism multiculturalism was portrayed as this unimpeachable good if you look at it per capita it is actually worse in Australia than it is in the UK most Australians accepted that that trade-off the multiculturalism game changes when you add Islamic immigration into the mix this is stuff that Dawkin and Hitchens were writing bestsellers about 15 years ago the landscape has changed and legitimate criticisms of culture
• 01:00 - 01:30 basically now tie you as a racist what does it make you feel like as an Australian with that Sydney Opera House [Music] stuff there are significantly disproportionate volumes of child sexual abuse in indigenous communities and for the same reasons as Rother it is taboo to talk about this because of fears of racism and the dirty Secret in Australia
• 01:30 - 02:00 is [Music] that hello fellow Heretics thanks so much for watching this content I couldn't do it without you I just wanted to quickly ask you to please like And subscribe I see that only a tiny percentage of my viewers are actually subscribe to the Channel please click subscribe because it will boost this content to the rest of the world and will also help me to continue convincing the best guests to Grace the Heretics stage why is it okay so British people
• 02:00 - 02:30 are always going oh you know what I've got to get out of this country it's gone woke it's gone ridiculous where you going to go I'm going to go to Australia that's just as far as away but is Australia actually this sort of anti-woke paradise what's Australia like Australia certainly isn't an anti-woke Paradise in fact Australia is uniquely susceptible to the woke mind virus but in order to explain that because that may come as a shock to some some people you probably need to smash a couple of cultural myths about Australia first I
• 02:30 - 03:00 think most Americans in fact most people across the West including in the UK still have the crocodile dunde image in their mind when they think of Australia laidback irreverent anti-authoritarian and the dirty Secret in Australia is that it is none of those things and it never has been any of those things we're not irreverent we're the country that gave the world Hanah gadsby you know we're not uh laidback where the second highest consumer of
• 03:00 - 03:30 anti-depressants per capita in the world wow and was certainly not anti-authoritarian as you saw during Co It smash that myth in fact uh Clive James a great Australian wit who made his career in the UK he knew this he summed it up and he said the problem with Australia is less that it is descended from convicts that it is descended from jailers Australia's always been very happy with authoritarianism and the thing which as you know wokeism is authoritarian
• 03:30 - 04:00 ideology and as a result of that it's Australia is very susceptible to wokeism Because deep down we actually don't really have a problem with authoritarians in charge and I think that's been an opening for wokeism and I'd add a couple of other things into the mix which are uh Australia's culture is not as strong and particularly the origin of the culture aren't as strong as the UK or the us we don't have the Revolutionary origin story like the us we don't have the history that the UK
• 04:00 - 04:30 has to draw from and so we're susceptible to what comes from the UK and the US which is wokeism today and then you add in uh you add in um we add in a few more things as well which we can get on to and you suddenly see that it's not a surprise that wokeism has firmly and deeply got its Clause into the Australian psych it's really interesting what you say just well actually firstly I want to just say for those who don't know who Hannah gadsby is as a sort of lesbian comedian she was actually in a show which was a little bit work that I really liked could please like me do you know that show no
• 04:30 - 05:00 I only saw the Netflix stuff yeah I think that but it was on Netflix it was some sort of series I'm pretty sure she was in that I'll take this bit out if I'm wrong about that um but you know super woke ridiculous identitarian um you know the fact that I even said she's a lesbian comedian is because she would identify as that instead of just a comedian and I don't care who she has sex with um the but but what you were saying about Australia and it doesn't have that same sort of origin story I've been sort of thinking about this recently with regards to will stores the status game and uh the way that people and individuals uh virtue signal because they don't have success or they're not
• 05:00 - 05:30 dominant and that's the only way to gain status and I I heard that Sweden called itself they wanted to be a moral superpower because they can't compete and be sort of an economic superpower or uh a cultural superpower so you can be a moral superpower by just bringing in loads and loads of immigrants is Australia then maybe trying to become a moral superpower with with regards to immigration and things like that no that's interesting no I think probably Australia's always tried to position itself as a lifestyle superpower we don't have the culture like the UK does
• 05:30 - 06:00 uh we don't have the history like the us or the UK or Europe does but we've got the weather we've got the beaches and so you you say you're a lifestyle superpower but I think again saying you're a lifestyle superpower isn't exactly as strong in terms of its foundations you know the Sands of the beach are not strong foundations to build a culture in of itself so it means you are very susceptible to the trends of the moment and wokeism is the trend of the moment um and as a result of that you know the flow from the US in the UK
• 06:00 - 06:30 has hit Australia and now I think as a result of that even though the winds are changing in the US and the UK I think you could possibly see the reversion back to the mean be much slower in Australia as a result of that and one place we're seeing that maybe is a uh the popularity perhaps of of mass immigration at least within in politics how's that going over there yeah it's the The Echoes from the UK will be very familiar to anyone who is currently in in in London or in in any UK cities uh
• 06:30 - 07:00 if you look at it per capita it is actually worse in Australia than it is in the UK at the moment I think the numbers are about 500,000 in the last 12 months Australia's Got a population of 27 odd million now some people say oh well it's a huge land mass you can fit them in but that doesn't take into account the fact that you still need to have the services to uh to to provide for these people and it doesn't take into account the fact that there's a big massive desert in the middle of the country which is hardly uh hardly Liv
• 07:00 - 07:30 um and and and that is having the same types of threats or or that it presents the same types of threats to social cohesion in Australia as is in the UK the interesting thing about multiculturalism in Australia is when you at least when I was going to school in the '90s multiculturalism was portrayed as this unimpeachable good I remember in I think it was called hsie classes you know human society and its environment something like that orian yeah yeah
• 07:30 - 08:00 exactly right uh and basically we are a thriving Multicultural democracy and it was just kind of said over and over and after the white Australia policy which was you know is a stain on Australia's history that was dismantled in the 1960s late 1960s Australia Embraces a multicultural policy and during the 70s ' 80s 90s that's probably worked pretty well because the types of people that are coming are from Europe uh a lot of people from the UK a lot of people from Ireland and uh from Southeast Asia a lot
• 08:00 - 08:30 of people from China a lot of people from Vietnam now in terms of Asian migrants over that period of time they generally did a pretty good job of assimilating and when they did it they largely stuck to themselves and at least we got good Chinese restaurants out of it so I think most Australians accepted that that tradeoff as you've spoken about a lot on Heretics the multiculturalism game changes when you add Islamic immigration into the mix and Australia unfortunately is seeing the outcomes of that
• 08:30 - 09:00 demographic shift that's occurred in the people that are coming to the country in the last 15 to 20 years and that was sadly on display uh in the aftermath of October 7 as it was across the West do you think islamism is is pushing I mean is there that alignment with maybe a woke left in Australia to be very anti-israel verging on anti-Semitism yeah I think so look it's so fascinating having these conversations where you look at Australia or you look at Ireland or you look at the the the satellite
• 09:00 - 09:30 states of of America effectively the same stories are playing out with slightly different tweaks everywhere and that same story of the merger between the woke left and the radical fundamentalist Islam islamists is certainly there in Australia and many people would have seen really distressing images on the iconic Sydney Opera house the steps of the iconic Sydney Opera House where it was uh despite some people saying that that
• 09:30 - 10:00 this is not the case it was uh inarguable that you had large groups of Islamic protesters screaming gas the juw yeah that's been debated hasn't it what's the story what's what's the truth there uh I can only give my opinion from the videos that I've seen now in this day and age that we live in with the way that videos can be manipulated there's always ifs and buts but I've spoken to people who were there I've seen enough footage from different Ang that I think
• 10:00 - 10:30 it is inarguable that they were yelling gas the Jews and to be honest that is entirely aligned with that vient strain of anti-Semitism uh amongst parts of the Islamic community in Australia it just is uh because that is that would be unusual for the woke they wouldn't that that exact sentiment I wouldn't expect woke people to shout that but but within extreme parts of islamism that's that might be where you get someone being that obvious about it yeah I I think so so uh and and that particular rally was
• 10:30 - 11:00 from my recollection overwhelmingly if not entirely Islamic protesters uh I think where you see and again this is where the Echoes come from other countries where you see the the the woke left pulling out the chance and and making the case is is on the universities and in the campuses and um and and we can maybe get to this a bit later but the indoctrination in the Australian education system is possibly worse than it is in the US and the UK
• 11:00 - 11:30 it's really scary God yeah I suppose the woke would say G the Israelis I you know and and there' be little wink yeah yeah and and and look they they probably would be just clever enough not to do it as obviously and they may be a way where they would try and provide some sub diffe but uh and and this and this you know something Brendan O'Neal has said this really well um anti-zionism has become the acceptable form of anti-Semitism and I think you see that playing out everywhere not just
• 11:30 - 12:00 Australia um and it's it's it's now the the line between anti-Semitism and anti-is is so blurred as to be indistinguishable in my mind I think there's a moment where that wasn't the case I find it really hard now to distinguish from most people I think it just verges into Flatout anti-Semitism when they say I'm an anti-zionist yeah it's such a hard one cuz you want people to be able to criticize a nation without being accused of some sort of bias against an a race of people but then you go but what other Nation would you ever
• 12:00 - 12:30 call into question their existence I I've never heard that before yeah well this also is one of the great stories of modern well great I use perhaps is the wrong adjective but one of the stories of modern times which is the conflation of race and culture and you see this play out in Australia not just when it comes to Islam you see it play out when it comes to say the indigenous population uh we the left have willingly conflated racism with which is unacceptable from a moral viewpoint I think any rational person will agree
• 12:30 - 13:00 with that with legitimate criticisms of culture which is entirely acceptable in a western liberal democracy uh and there have been so many times where I've been on Sky News in Australia and I've got pushed back because I've have said there are problems in Islamic culture that we need to address and this shouldn't be controversial whether it be the treatment of women whether it be the treatment of minority groups whether it be the disdain that they have for the separation between church and state this is stuff that and Hitchens were writing
• 13:00 - 13:30 bestsellers about 15 years ago you know you've spoken to Richard about this and even he now I think recognizes that the landscape has changed and legitimate criticisms of culture basically now Tire you as a racist and I think the right not even just the right sensible people need to push back on this or else it's just going to get worse and worse and you're going to see more of the systemic problems in say indigenous communities in Australia continue and in Islamic communities continue what does it make you feel like as an Australian uh living here or maybe wer here yet with that Sydney Opera house uh
• 13:30 - 14:00 stuff the first word that comes to mind is ashamed but at the same time I don't see that as being an Australian problem as much as it is a global global problem uh I I I I'm ashamed to the extent that it happened in Australia but I think Australia is just another sad offshoot of this Corruption of of Western society
• 14:00 - 14:30 and this self- flatulating Instinct that we have in Western Society now which which uh manifests itself in those types of rallies the one thing I would say I think there is a really interesting push back now in the UK in the form of the alternative media people like you people like the trigonometry guys um I think even now some of the mainstream media organizations like GB news which is now out rating sky and the BBC consistently
• 14:30 - 15:00 you are getting a push back and a defense of Western Civilization I don't think that same push back is there to the same extent in Australia yet I'm hopeful I think kind of the work that hopefully I'm doing with the spectator there are really good people like John Anderson um former deputy prime minister but I don't think we have that same push back because I don't think we have the same cultural foundations to push back from in the first place uh and that's something which concerns me a bit it's really scary and it's it's actually it's
• 15:00 - 15:30 so scary for many well people in Britain for example those of us who do say gosh well if it does keep getting worse in Europe at least we'll go somewhere far flung such as Australia we can go somewhere with a similar culture similar people same language beautiful climate and all of those things are just F off to Australia how wonderful uh but but it this concern that we're having has even spread that far yeah and I think the the other thing which you need to keep in mind about Australia as well and why it is so susceptible to this ideology is
• 15:30 - 16:00 that Australians have had it very good for a long time as you just mentioned you know the UK for a long time was right in saying that Australia is a wonderful place to live and a very harmonious environment but what that means is we've never really had to fight for Freedom uh the the closest or the the nearest fight was World War II and then before that gy and gpp is really the Australian origin story um uh that's a long long time ago now and for the
• 16:00 - 16:30 from the end of World War II onwards the economy's been good uh Society has been prosperous and generally you've had pretty good governance and as a result of that you haven't really had any existential threats and Australians have got complacent and now when there are I think existential threats on the horizon in the form of mass migration in the form of the the woke attack on Western Civilization we don't have the instinct
• 16:30 - 17:00 to be able to fight back in the same way that perhaps particularly America which has faced some serious challenges after World War I does have that instinctive fightback mechanism yeah yeah do you think it's a fundamental issue with individual liberty or the concept of individual liberty that or tolerance you know you have to be tolerant of the intolerant and that's a flaw right now yeah I what is that that's um to to tolerate intoler uh you cannot tolerate intolerance because you get to
• 17:00 - 17:30 a point where intolerance then uh re but the the woke would use that and say that they that's why they don't tolerate us saying that trans women are not women for example yeah yeah yeah and I think that's something I've probably evolved my views on over time um and and uh I think there is that La Fair attitude in Australia Australia has that wonderful term she'll be right mate you know and kind of just go you know probably will work out in the end and in
• 17:30 - 18:00 one respect that is a wonderful part of the Australian psyche but at the same time it basically means that you let a lot of just go through to the keeper you let a lot of just happen um you know if you see 500,000 immigrants many of whom coming from countries that don't share our values coming over the Border she'll be right mate when you you see this sort of mentality you see the kind of the way that school curriculums are changing in Australia with this black armband view of History being ashamed of our past as
• 18:00 - 18:30 opposed to promoting the wonderful things about our past she'll be right mate uh and I think the right has a big job on its hands to cut that she'll be right mate mentality in the culture wars and actually say no you know what she probably won't be right if we don't stand up and fight back against some of the things that we're seeing is is Right sort of Australian for all right in that in that she'll be all right yeah yeah have you heard that one she'll be right I think our equivalent would be cheer up it might never happen yeah we say that cheer up mate it might never happen I never got for years as a kid I remember hearing that and going like but what
• 18:30 - 19:00 won't happen and now I understand it's more abstract well there's a really interesting parallel I think between Australia and the UK and how we think about ourselves and our countries I was speaking about this with Douglas Murray and I was saying I was giving him that Spiel that I gave you that you know we think of ourselves as you know rugged individualists and really we're now nothing of the sort and he was saying you know what the UK probably still thinks of itself as the stiff upper lip quiet solemn Duty you know the embod the
• 19:00 - 19:30 queen was the embodiment of that National character and if you look at the UK today I would argue that that sort of quiet determination is at odds with wokeism and at odds with a lot of the behaviors that you see in the UK today and it raises a really interesting question of what happens when you have cognitive dissonance on a mass scale when the way that a country perceives itself is actually at odds with the behaviors and the attitudes within that country I haven't worked I'm not smart enough to to work out what the actual answer is to that but I think the UK and
• 19:30 - 20:00 Australia are both suffering with cognitive dissonance on a mass scale I think it is that's really interesting and it's interesting to see the difference in those two phrases as well because she'll be right is is slightly positive uh whereas it might never happen is slightly negative I think that's a slight difference between like we're looking at it from a negative like it might never happen that's i' I've always thought that that Australia is on if you look at America being you know optimistic by inclination and the British being cynical by inclination is probably drawn on both of those strands
• 20:00 - 20:30 and comes out around the middle which not a bad place place place to be that's interesting uh and and I think that is also really interesting when you look at the cultural forces that have shaped Australia it is this weird hybrid between British influence and American influence um and I've always quite quite liked that uh but but interestingly I definitely think Australians culturally still resonate with the British much more so than than than Americans all the sports and as well all that stuff yeah
• 20:30 - 21:00 so so what sort of clashes are we are we seeing clashes already islamist clashes and things like that there were a couple that spring to mind yes not nearly to the same level of intensity as what we've seen in the UK in the last 6 months MH but I was read you mentioned constant I was reading uh his report back of his time in Australia earlier this year and he basically said what I'm seeing is the UK 10 years ago wow and I think there is a lot to that uh and I think if we don't take control
• 21:00 - 21:30 of this this cultural narrative now and particularly around the threat of fundamentalist Islamic beliefs there is no reason that you won't see a Southport equivalent in Australia uh in in the next two to to five years you've already seen these sorts of skirmishes you see in the out skirts of Melbourne um you know African gangs are now very much problem of course you know people who
• 21:30 - 22:00 are listening to this on the left will call me far right for even mentioning that but it's undoubtedly the case uh so I think we are uh fortunately behind where the UK is in terms of the fraying of the social fabric as a result of mass migration but I think we're on the same track there was the was it the lind Cafe Siege yeah what was that this was about a decade ago now it was a Islamic fundamentalist who took control of uh the lint Cafe in
• 22:00 - 22:30 Martin place in Sydney which is the main Central Hub of of Sydney think um you know trala Square as the equivalent uh and he hung an Isis flag from memory from the the window of the cafe The Siege lasted for maybe it may have been a day in the end two people lost lost their lives um it wasn't the first time that Australia has been touched by uh Islamic uh terrorism um The Barley bombings in the early
• 22:30 - 23:00 2000s uh I mean in barley where many Australians lost their lives probably was when that really hit Australians on a visceral level but from memory it's probably the first time we've we've seen Islamic terrorism play out on such a public stage in Australia I'm not sure we leared the lessons from that in the way that we potentially should have um because after that we then moved into the to the era where it became racist to call that stuff out um and you have this
• 23:00 - 23:30 this mentality which again plays out on in the UK America Australia of well it's just it's just the fringes of Islamic culture you know it's just just the extremists but most islamists are are good islamists the islamists who are good islamists the ones who have assimilated to Western culture the problem Still Remains around Islamic culture is just that they've taken on the deaths of Western culture you need to suppress the bad bits of Islamic culture that's so interesting cuz I was having this debate with someone recently A friend of mine who's who's a bit more
• 23:30 - 24:00 woke and it didn't occur to me to say what you just said actually because because I was so I was more focused on saying no no it's it's a smaller number than you think who have actually adapted to Western culture but it didn't occur to me to go right okay you're saying that those people many are not that way but the problem is the problem still it's you're saying it's good that they're not uh over overtly Islamic absolutely yeah because they have adopted the appropriate parts of Western culture that you need to to to integrate uh this is also by the way where I struggle so I would call myself a
• 24:00 - 24:30 Libertarian but this is also where I struggle with most Libertarians who do go for an open borders globalist mentality for the reason that these Mass migration policies get you to a point eventually it's it's like the kind of Tolerance of intolerance Point yeah where you reach a critical mass of people where the uh the culture can then be influenced and the culture slowly becomes less liberal the one difference in Australia to the UK which gives me
• 24:30 - 25:00 some com com gives me some comfort is compulsory voting so you look at where the UK is now and I'm really worried with the demographic shifts in the UK in a voluntary voting system where you're already seeing the rise of sectarian voting blocks emerging you look at the awful outcome of that leads election where you saw Allahu abbar being yelled after election day I think you can argue that Sadiq Khan relies heavily on an Islamic voting Block in order to retain power in London it's very susceptible to small groups of
• 25:00 - 25:30 sectarian voters voting in unison now the good thing about compulsory voting is that it guards against those sorts of sectarian vote blocks having an outsized impact on a result so whilst I'm generally against forcing people to do things right one of the few areas I think it's good to force people to do things is to force them to vote yeah that's another really interesting one where we're struggling I think that's this is a problem for Libertarians or those who who are just into individual liberty it's a problem for us we're sitting here going oh God this is a huge flaw because of that
• 25:30 - 26:00 sectarian kind of voting um I mean I I I spoke to a former hidic Jew recently and he said like you got to understand you know I I grew he said this I grew up in this hidic community I know what they do in these kinds of sects and the hidic Jewish Community is quite extreme but it's nothing compared to extreme Islam I mean I've never heard of them blowing anything up or anything like that but it's quite extreme and he said within those groups there are all sorts of tax issues where they don't pay there are Ed a issues if they can get away with things to correspond with their belief
• 26:00 - 26:30 system they will do it so he's seen it fir hand and they will encourage one another to vote for a particular person now there's like 20,000 hidic Jews in the country uh there are four or five million Muslims in the UK I'm talking about so that's that's a huge difference that people are not fully understanding you know I'd be worried about any sectarian group suddenly having that kind of dominance yeah I agree I think there is a reasonable distinction to make between even Hardline Jewish groups and Islamic groups because I don't think there is that same conquering in
• 26:30 - 27:00 Instinct in the Jewish culture it's the opposite exclude exactly going like we you do your thing we do our own thing exact exactly right whereas I think that there is you know you look at the origins of Islam it is an origins of Conquest uh and you can polish up the Quran all you want and make it mean all you want but the fact of the matter is it has been interpreted by far too many people to be a religion of conquest and and that once again is plain out across the West at varying speeds to varying
• 27:00 - 27:30 degrees but there is no doubt that it is it is playing out we need to have more confidence and courage to be able to call that out in a sensible but firm way what about the the Melbourne stabbings was that the the drive the car thing uh yeah I think there's actually been a few examples like that over the last 5 to 10 years and once again it's the same story that we've seen play out across the west but the the challenge that you have is that a
• 27:30 - 28:00 lot of people just dismiss it as one bad egg or as one extremist or alternatively they turn it into a mental health issue as opposed to an ideological issue and it's really funny when that it's not funny it's tragic when that happens but I find it so interesting that whenever the left wants something to suit their narrative they will say oh well this is a mental health issue but on the other side if something happens on the right for example the the Christ Church shooter who was an Australian um when he attack a mosque uh I know four or five years
• 28:00 - 28:30 ago first thing they say is well you know he's a right-wing Christian nationalist or a fascist the ideology always comes first on the left it's always the mental health that always comes first there's no consistency with how we address these issues that's interesting gosh there have been some attacks haven't it there was that that there's a really famous attack that was actually a white fell that got guns banned wasn't there years I nothing to do with this topic but I just popped into my head yeah yeah well I finally so that was Martin Bryant and I think that was 95 or 96 and it was at that stage
• 28:30 - 29:00 sorry still is Australia's worst mass shooting 30 to 40 killed from memory uh and that led to uh what was considered arguably the most significant achievement of John Howard's Prime ministership John Howard being The Great Australian right-wing conservative leader of the 90s and early 2000s Australia's last really formidable leader uh and he went against the conservative wing of the liberal party it's the equivalent of the conservatives in the UK and uh and effectively overhaul gun laws
• 29:00 - 29:30 in Australia at the time gun buybacks all that sort of thing I've been on several American podcasts in the last year or two and they always point to that as a moment where Australia potentially lost its Liberty you guys gave your guns away and as a result of that it's no surprise that therefore during Co you gave away your freedoms much quicker than any other country I don't buy into that argument but when I speak to Americans that is the point where they say if you give away your guns you give away your Liberty and that is a turning point for Australia when it comes to to the lack of Freedom that
• 29:30 - 30:00 many people have witnessed over the the last three or four years it's funny there's there's almost almost an irreconcilable difference between the Americans and and the rest of us even if we agree on everything else politically just around around guns yeah I just can't get my head around the the guns thing and I think most people in the UK and Australia can't get their head around around the guns thing even if they are as we both are supporters of individual liberty yeah yeah it's but but also I suppose as I've gotten older I've I've at least understood their argument better rather than just
• 30:00 - 30:30 thinking bunch of lunatics now I think okay I get why they're saying it it's just not necessarily what I want here yeah I agree and also I've got to the point in America whereby the problem is just too far gone if you take away guns from the good guys the bad guys will still have the guns whereas that wasn't the case in Australia in '96 uh so now even if they really wanted to to do something similar to Australia which would never in a million years happen practically it could also never in a million years happen yeah that's true that's true what's prime minister Anthony alanes is that how you say his
• 30:30 - 31:00 name Alban Al I'm G to say that again what's prime minister actually I won't I'll leave that what's what's Albany what's he what's he old alany my mate um what's he saying about immigration mediocre pronunciation from mediocre Prime Min uh uh so I can make it easy for listeners he's doing exactly what kiss dmer is doing ah basically in fact even think of think of you know an anti and kiss Dharma and you pretty much have albanesi this kind of pretty nothing
• 31:00 - 31:30 technocrat uh vacuous yeah you know mediocre talent that has gone through the leftwing political machine and it ended up in a position far above his station um I I imagine whenever they meet they must get on like a house on fire because they're both just joined in this vacuous mediocrity together uh so he's doing what starma did quite extraordinarily a couple of weeks ago where he's saying all the things around
• 31:30 - 32:00 immigration you know it is too high we need to think about social cohesion we need to think about housing housing is a bigger problem in Australia than it is in the UK uh and he knows that it is becoming increasingly politically toxic to support high levels of of immigration but to my knowledge he like starma hasn't put a firm Target on it he to my knowledge hasn't really shown how we can get there and here's the critical problem for Australia and the UK when it comes to immigration is that on a political level people are going we
• 32:00 - 32:30 can't sustain this but both economies now are absolutely addicted to cheap labor that comes from immigration as a way to cheat productivity growth and not to make the hard structural changes to make their economies more more productive um it is a sugar hit and it's been a sugar hit for Liberal governments and labor governments for 50 years now to stop them from making hard decisions
• 32:30 - 33:00 if you take away immigration suddenly I imagine our GDP growth goes into negatives very very quickly and it needs a fundamental rethinking of the economy to change that exactly like the UK and because of those problems I can't see this really changing to the degree it needs to change in either country anytime soon because no politician no politician is going to Bear the brunt of that short-term hit yeah so in the UK the problem is that you don't have kind of you know enough unskilled workers
• 33:00 - 33:30 willing to do those jobs and that will require a cultural change it will require corporates to change their their training programs uh it would quite a lot of difficult things to do in Australia the the issues are that we haven't adequately moved up the value chaining Commodities effectively and we haven't Diversified Enough From China so Australia I often say and I'm being a bit tongue and cheek but not much Australia is a middle power that should be a superpower if you look at all of the Raw commod ities that basically mean anything in this world Australia is in
• 33:30 - 34:00 the top three or at the very least the top 10 producers of pretty much everything like the amount of iron ore Australia produces compared to the rest of the world is staggering the amount of uranium Australia produces is staggering but our economy what basically does is it gets the raw materials digs it up and then ships it off to China and then they do the rest they turn it into the actual proper metals and then they turn it into you know your TVs or whatever iPhones
• 34:00 - 34:30 Australia probably in the 1980s 1990s should have said we need to modernize our economy and instead of just digging up stuff from the ground we actually need to uh to smelt it or to to do more with it uh even if we don't get quite to the manufacturing phase we never bothered to do that because we were making such ludicrous amounts of money off China as they just bought more and more of our raw materials as they went through their big boom but now with the S reality that we may very well and by way I mean the US UK Australia be at war
• 34:30 - 35:00 with China by the end of the decade in some way shape or form we're going to find that we really should have worked harder to move up the value chain and whilst we're making some efforts to go more into India and other parts of Southeast Asia we should have done more to wean ourself off China so there is a very real risk geopolitically if Australia does fall you know if if there is a a bigger conflict with China the Australian economy is stuffed absolutely stuffed W and that's something which
• 35:00 - 35:30 like I think a lot of people just have their head in the sand about and it will fill that hole with more and more cheap labor immigration yeah that's a really good point which I had hadn't considered but you'd have to assume that that would be be the case so so it's just unfortunate that these Western economies have shed hard decisions for too long and as a result of that I feel like our generation well we're both mid-30s now are unfortunately about to cop the consequences of you know people in the 80s and '90s taking too many easy
• 35:30 - 36:00 choices it's almost like we need something in our political systems that would disincentivize short-termism something that would be like okay do this but if in 30 years it's found that your mistake what you did made it worse we're going to hang you obviously not that I quite that would be going back to more kind of UK medieval time you know there's a lot to be said for that um uh so it's interesting so Australian term limits of 3 years the UK is five now when you've got a rotten government
• 36:00 - 36:30 like we have in the UK at the moment that feels like a heck of a long time but the argument against those shortterm limits is nothing ever really gets done in Australia in terms of genuine reform so you have your probably your first year is your honeymoon the second year you you uh uh trying to consolidate and then the third year you're you're campaigning you've really probably got 18 months to get stuff done as a government and then in your second term and Australians almost always vote back in the government we haven't had a first-term government lose since the 1930s but your second term you're coming
• 36:30 - 37:00 in with a reduced majority normally you've already taken a lot of political hits you're generally more conservative and so we've had this situation in Australia where you've probably had one to twoe stretches in the last every decade for the last 20 years where we could have got stuff done and we haven't now the Australian government and we can get on to the indigenous issue they chose to use that one-year period at the start of the albanesi government For a symbolic flight of Folly which was the the voice recognition Campaign which which which
• 37:00 - 37:30 ultimately was a Monumental failure uh that this government has never recovered from and what was it yeah so uh Australia has a written Constitution unlike the United Kingdom uh and what it was was a change to the Constitution and when you have to change Constitution you have a referendum so everyone in Australia votes to acknowledge indigenous Australians in the Constitution and give them some sort of a body to vote on
• 37:30 - 38:00 matters that affect them which would then be taken into consideration by the parliament the details were always a bit sketchy on how it would work and this was a classic story of every single institution in the country mobilizing around the woke yes campaign all the corporates uh apart from the the liberal Coalition right-wing party all of the political class all of the media all of the celebrities such as are in Australia everyone mobilized around it and if you
• 38:00 - 38:30 were not for this you were a racist you could have argued all you want around not separating our country on the basis of race you could have argued that this is practically going to be a disaster in terms of How It's implemented You could argue that this wasn't actually going to change indigenous living standards it didn't matter you're a racist I've never coped so much because I I took on a fairly prominent vocal role at least in social media and on TV supporting the no campaign uh and I got so much abuse and I'm this isn't a sub story for me everyone in my position got so much
• 38:30 - 39:00 abuse and were called racist and it was one of those wonderful moments similar to Trump similar to brexit that on Election Day despite having the deck stacked entirely against the no campaign uh no got up 60 to 40 in the most resounding of ways you know the the fundraising would have been 10 to one for yes to no and yet again similar you know this was the Australian Trump moment um Everyday People basically said we're not going to be lectured by the elites and being told that we're racists
• 39:00 - 39:30 we believe in having one country that isn't separated on racial grounds so I looked at it as a remarkably positive moment in Australian history but there's no doubt that it also um hamstrung the government it set back genuine reform for Australia because no government's going to want to do something that big picture for a long period of time because they just take off too much skin uh and it certainly didn't help indigenous Australians who still in a very very dark place when you compare them in terms of living standards to the rest of the country gosh what a what a mess that that that is and what about
• 39:30 - 40:00 wokeness in general sort of kids uh fashion trans that stuff yeah all of that all of that is still very much at play in Australia you'll see um the the flavor that it takes on in Australia is indigenous a lot of the time um so you have the same gender ideology stuff you know you've had s Grover on I believe um but the big thing is around our relationship with with our indigenous uh with indigenous citizens if the
• 40:00 - 40:30 original sin for the US is slavery the original sin for the UK is colonialism the original sin for Australia is the treatment of indigenous Australians I see and you have the same response the self- flatulating instinct to say that that um that we are we are responsible for the sins of the past and we must atone so if you look at that in schools now uh in fact everywhere um you have these welcome to Country rituals where they get longer they get more nauseating every day uh where you basically have to
• 40:30 - 41:00 say we are sitting on your land um and we are welcome to our own country they now basically they're at every sporting event and they take longer than the first half some of the time I have to it's painful uh but but the good thing is the right wing of Australian politics after The Madness of that 2020 period all around the world the winds are starting to change and we're seeing a lot of people go you know this is overkill this is nonsense so Peter duton the Australian opposition leader came
• 41:00 - 41:30 out the other day and said I'm sick of seeing three flags behind leaders whenever they make a press conference so it's always the indigenous flag the tourist straight Island flag which an island off the coast of Northern Australia and the Australian flag I was at a high commission event in London the Australian High Commission in London and uh behind the speaker was the Australian flag on the left sorry the Australian flag on the right the T a Island flag on the left the indigenous flag in the middle and it felt like the Australian
• 41:30 - 42:00 flag was an afterthought and it really annoyed me you know because we are one country that is the one thing that should unite us and luckily Dutton said going forward I'm going to have one flag uh and that of course has drawn outrage from the left who sees it as weaponizing division because of course whenever the right gets involved in the culture wars they're Accused by the left of screeching culture War culture War when really they are responding to the changes that the left are trying to make to the culture this example of that that's absolutely right there were also issues um and I don't know if this is
• 42:00 - 42:30 going off topic too much but Aboriginal communities and and we can't even say the word on YouTube but we call um child uh abuses and things weren they that could people couldn't properly investigate yeah and and so this is Australia's rotheram this is this is w i i would would say for those who don't know rotheram just quickly perhaps you should down because you know it better than I you've done um Muslim uh I want to say it right and not not get it wrong but but uh what the
• 42:30 - 43:00 British Pakistani um grooming gangs yeah and it's been in the UK covered up covered up and not reported by the media and not investigated by police for decades now uh because of fears that this is racist or it is not uh it's a culture that we should just leave alone now the same principle applies in in Australia in that I saw the other day uh Alice Springs I think is from memory the 17th or the 18th most dangerous city in the world Al Springs is the largely
• 43:00 - 43:30 indigenous city right smack bang in the middle of Australia like it's it's up there with you know cities in the you know the worst parts of the Middle East or Africa or or wherever and this is in the middle of Australia the 12th or 13th biggest economy in the world Western liberal democracy it is our nation's shame you know I agree with the left that that there is huge problems with the indigenous communities particularly in rural Regional Outback parts of Australia but you can't ignore the numbers that
• 43:30 - 44:00 there are significantly disproportionate volumes of child sexual abuse in indigenous communities and we're not talking slight statistical variations you are and I I don't have the exact numbers on me but if you are an indigenous girl or boy living in a rural indigenous remote Community you are statistically considerably consider more likely to be the victim of sexual abuse
• 44:00 - 44:30 and for the same reasons as rotheram it is taboo in many parts of the policing establishment and the media to talk about this because of fears of racism because of fears of well you're just stigmatizing indigenous Australians uh it is the nation's shame it is tragedy uh I there aren't any e well the easy answer is courage is is actually Having the courage to to stand up to to those
• 44:30 - 45:00 nonsense sorts of of views um but indigenous living standards and crime in indigenous communities has been petual problem for 100 years and it's a problem that just no government has been able to solve it reminds me of that there there's been a a fashion recently for saying that all cultures are equal which I I suppose goes back to your initial Point earlier on about conflating race with culture uh and that's an example I don't care who has to who doesn't want to hear it but that's an example of a culture at least in that aspect that is not good cultural relativism is one of
• 45:00 - 45:30 the great cult cultural relativism is one of the great rots of the modern Progressive Movement it's so bloody stupid because you like if you take it to First principles you take it back to just kind of the The Logical starting points you know of course a culture that practices genital mutilation that uh that for example Spears people in the thigh in circle sentencing rituals uh for for crimes in in their local communities which still happens in
• 45:30 - 46:00 remote parts of indigenous Australia Today you just can't say that that is a comparable or equal culture to one that is built on the values of Western liberal democracy it's a nonsense and everyone and I think even the people who argue against it deep down know it is a nonsense um but unfortunately Australia does have that cultural relativism trap and this goes back to the way that we look at indigenous history you know in some respects you know I I have some admiration for a culture that lived continuously in an unhospitable environment like Australia for 65
• 46:00 - 46:30 thousand plus years yeah at the same time they're the only civilization that never invented the wheel they are really they are the only civilization that never invented the wheel so just like Square Wheels moving around I don't think they got to the level of square Wheels uh wow it's it the and you know I didn't even know that was a thing that that tribes up until very recently there were there were people who didn't have the wheel yeah uh and so um if you come from a place of valuing
• 46:30 - 47:00 the Enlightenment valuing the immense progress that has characterized Western Civilization from the RO the Greeks onwards um uh I just don't think I need to bow down in this sort of reverence for indigenous culture which is what all the schools and what the media makes you do now that doesn't mean being disrespectful necessarily uh it doesn't mean mean being rude uh but it doesn't
• 47:00 - 47:30 mean that we have to just get on our knees and praise these sorts of you know uh to praise this culture without any kind of logical thought so I know now in in primary school and high school as well it is a requirement that you have to uh look at indigenous religions and these are things like you know rainbow serpents and all that sort of stuff now again there is a difference between going uh you know between between denigrating
• 47:30 - 48:00 that and having this faux reverence for the mysticism and the attachment to the land and all that sort of stuff and unfortunately we don't have that Balan right because there are racists in Australia there are people who will go too much the other way but then there are people who will make you basically say things which just don't pass the sniff test it's like Mai ways of knowing isn't it new yeah it's it's it's Bonkers that and I think um we say this a lot about wokeness but but again this is
• 48:00 - 48:30 this is a clear example of racism itself this this I mean there's nothing in an Aboriginal skin color or race uh that prevents them from adapting to a western culture maybe that sounds like some sort of imperialism moral imperialism I don't care and being able to make a wheel and then being able to become a Nobel Prize L like who cares about the race who cares about immutable features I couldn't give a hoot uh but this idea that we we should they should be revered for for you know mystical ways of knowing I think is itself deeply racist
• 48:30 - 49:00 yeah yeah it's well it's that old George W bush L it's the soft bigotry of low expectations as well did he say that was it the first I think it was the second someone can fact check me if they're listening sounds but I think it was George W bush um anyway it's the right it's the right line it's appropriate here and I think there is very much the self bigotry of low expectations when it comes to the way that Australians look at at Parts at at indigenous remote indous communities I think the other thing which is worth making a Nuance
• 49:00 - 49:30 worth pointing out 80% of indigenous Australians uh live in in City areas are fully assimilated um and if you look at the main statistics around quality of life and uh life expectancy the big ones the big metrics they're comparable and they're the same as white Australians so we're not talking about indigenous Australians we're talking about the 20% that live still in those Outback Regional indigenous communities so I think that that is uh also an important
• 49:30 - 50:00 Nuance because sometimes there is that racism to say that that that it is you're right it is something to do with the skin and it's not it's to do with the way that people in those communities have set up those communities and the basic reality that there are no jobs there there are no hospitals you know there you know there are no kind basic necess or basic necessities are difficult to get there these are all societal cultural problems they're not race based problems if I'm one of the Aboriginal people living in the cities and I've got a nice job I'm a lawyer or whatever and I'm hearing all of this
• 50:00 - 50:30 like we've got to start worshiping mystical ways of knowing I'd be so pissed off I'll be so annoyed that why are you doing don't embarrass me and my people you know yeah I think and certainly many people certainly do feel that way um some others would take the more woke worldview yes I am a victim I'm a highflying lawyer who is a victim yeah and look and similarly the amount of advantages that you now get if you're oh jeez see the 116th or 132nd AB original terms of easier access to universities terms of tax breaks in
• 50:30 - 51:00 terms of uh a lot of the time corporate schemes to get you into jobs more easily um I would argue that there has been a redress for the undoubted sins of the past in in those sorts of programs today but as we've seen in America um particularly It's never enough you know the the kind of the the minority uh uh movements um uh and by
• 51:00 - 51:30 that I mean largely the white liberal intellectuals that take on these movements as opposed to a lot of the time the actual people who who are form those minority groups themselves you know they will keep just taking more and more and more you know it's that kind of consistent March through the institutions and it doesn't stop reminds me of uh I was speaking to Rob Henderson recently and he's fantastic well yeah in his whole life uh he thought he was Asian or East Asian uh which wouldn't
• 51:30 - 52:00 have helped him get into any kind of University because a bit like Jews because they've been successful people somehow see them as white super white East Asians is absurd uh but he recently realized he's actually part Mexican and he thought oh you know I could have I could have gotten so much help getting into these universities as a Hispanic or whatever it might be it's so crazy that whole thing um I I want to ask you just briefly then just to to for anyone who didn't know about I mean you mentioned s grow and people know there is an episode I did with s a while ago um that
• 52:00 - 52:30 judgment was fairly recent was that a shock to you and what what did the judge say no it wasn't wasn't a shock so it's the farly named giggle V tickle case uh for a fical issue appropriately faral case name uh the judge I don't actually think ER in law the problem I don't think was the Judgment the problem was the law so we have a sex Discrimination Act in Australia and in one of the great
• 52:30 - 53:00 historical ironies our first female prime minister in 2013 Julia Gillard the self styled Champion for women uh in a move that at the time didn't get much medeia attention amended that sex Discrimination Act to include the interpretation of sex discrimination as gender-based discrimination and that gender-based discrimination is how you interpret your gender so it takes it from the objective of biology to the subjective of feelings and from that
• 53:00 - 53:30 point um that case in my mind and I'm not legal expert was always going to go in that direction so I don't blame that the judicial system but I blame incredibly weak politicians particularly on the right of politics who did not push back against this stuff uh for at the time just not recognizing the consequences of that and subsequently not changing it after we have realized the Mania that accompanied the gender ideology movement and so what happened
• 53:30 - 54:00 for those who don't I think most people do know now but it was this tickle fell who wanted I mean trans person who wanted access to yeah so so s uh was setting up a women's only social media site effectively and this bloke uh who identified as a woman wanted access to that site and he claimed that he identified as a woman so he should be allowed on a women's only site uh s saw I think saw the photos and when no you're not a woman and it's like this bloke everyone who looks at this photo
• 54:00 - 54:30 will go no you are not a woman uh said no I'm I'm sorry it goes against the entire principle of this site which is to give women a space to feel empowered and to feel safe uh he took issue with that some of the left-wing uh Progressive movements saw this as an opportunity to to make a stand uh and I'm sure although I don't have evidence I'm sure they were you know some of those sorts of groups the ones that were funding his case uh and then it got to the not the highest court
• 54:30 - 55:00 in the land which the high court but it may have been the one below that um and I think that they are looking at at appeals now to take it to the highest court which is the high court but once again without a deep legal knowledge I still think it will be very difficult because the problem here is not the judges it is the politicians and the legislation that they have brought to beer which is completely insane isn't it but I mean she I told s we were talking she says hi and she she wanted to know why we think or you think that uh the
• 55:00 - 55:30 Press didn't show any pictures of Roxy tickle during the whole thing uh the ideological capture of the press the same story that has played out you know that we've seen so many times before because 10% of the population yelling and screaming that the Sydney Morning Herald are uh what would be the term you know not even turfs but but you know that they are Bigg um is enough to stop them from showing
• 55:30 - 56:00 courage uh they would no doubt be complaints to Media regulators and once again the media Regulators are equally captured by this type of ideological nonsense also I suppose a picture just completely shows what a nonsense this is if people because people probably see oh it's a transer reading it if they actually saw Roxy tickle it sort of brings home the reality it really really does uh and it it also you know the um the women that were behind the uh giggle
• 56:00 - 56:30 case Sals case are all youngish they're all good-looking they're all intelligent they're all very impressive Katherine Dees Mor deeming uh s Grover obviously and so the contrast between this and and this bloke the visual contrast is so Stark and then you know I would add the intellectual contrast is so Stark that that picture really does tell a thousand words and it's thousand words that most of the mainstream media in Australia do not want to tell I got one more question
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