Dr Ajay Mathur live | D K Sanyal Memorial Lecture | Director General International Solar Alliance 🇮🇳

Summary

Highlights

• Dr. Ajay Mathur emphasized solar energy as a pivotal part of India's energy transition 🌞.
• The lecture celebrated Dr. D K Sanyal's legacy in management education and his influence 🌟.
• Challenges like land acquisition and technology costs were discussed in depth 🏭.
• The potential of electric vehicles and solar charging stations in reducing carbon footprints was highlighted 🚗.
• Efforts towards developing global solar initiatives through the International Solar Alliance were shared 🌐.

Key Takeaways

• The transition to renewable energy presents both opportunities and challenges in India 🌞.
• Electric vehicles, particularly two-wheelers, show promise for widespread rural adoption 🚗.
• Solar energy can play a significant role in industrial processes like steel manufacturing 🔧.
• Innovative renewable projects like solar mini grids could revolutionize energy access in rural areas 🌱.
• Finance tactics like green bonds and potential partnerships can facilitate clean energy investments 💰.

Overview

Chapters

• 00:00 - 02:30: Introduction and Welcome The chapter titled 'Introduction and Welcome' contains a brief transcript indicating a greeting with 'how are you,' setting an introductory tone for the content that follows.
• 02:30 - 33:00: Keynote Address by Dr. Ajay Mathur The chapter titled 'Keynote Address by Dr. Ajay Mathur' features Dr. Ajay Mathur's address. Unfortunately, the transcript only contains the word 'think', indicating either a placeholder, an error in transcription, or an incomplete record of the speech. Consequently, an accurate summary of the chapter cannot be provided.
• 33:00 - 58:30: Memorial Lecture Series Background The chapter introduces the D Shel Memorial lecture focused on energy security in India. It begins with a warm welcome extended to distinguished guests, esteemed speakers, faculty, and students, highlighting the importance and honor of hosting such an event.
• 58:30 - 70:45: Achievements and Contributions of Late Professor D.K. Sanyal The chapter titled 'Achievements and Contributions of Late Professor D.K. Sanyal' begins with an announcement signaling a positive tone towards the potential future, symbolized by sustainability and new opportunities. The chapter metaphorically starts with a 'national anthem,' implying a tribute or a formal acknowledgement, possibly marking respect for Professor D.K. Sanyal's work and influence. It invites the audience to 'stand,' likely both literally and metaphorically, suggesting readiness to honor or begin a journey influenced by the professor's legacy.
• 70:45 - 139:27: Speech by Dr. Ajay Mathur on Energy Security in India The speech by Dr. Ajay Mathur, an expert on energy security in India, delves into the challenges and strategies involved in ensuring a secure and sustainable energy future for India. Dr. Mathur discusses the current energy demands, the role of renewable resources, and the importance of innovative technologies in energy management. Furthermore, he emphasizes policy measures and international cooperation in addressing India's energy needs, aiming for a balance between economic growth and environmental sustainability. The chapter highlights key insights into India's energy policies and the necessity for a resilient energy infrastructure.
• 139:27 - 176:45: Interactive Session and Questions The chapter titled 'Interactive Session and Questions' features musical tones at the beginning and the end. The main content of the chapter suggests it involves a dialogue or Q&A format that likely includes interaction or questions from an audience or participants. However, the exact details of the session or questions are not provided in the provided transcript.
• 176:45 - 191:30: Felicitation and Awards The chapter titled 'Felicitation and Awards' involves an invitation for eminent personalities to the stage. The dignitaries include Professor Dr. Suit Kumar Basu, who is the President of the Board of Governors, ISWV, and acts as the Treasurer of the Board of Trustees. Additionally, ISW's S. Chakravarti, the first President of the Bengal Chamber and former MD and CEO of Exide India, is highlighted. The event also features the presence of His Excellency Dr. Aay Mau, the Director-General of the International Solar Alliance, and Professor Dr. K. Magal, who is the acting authority.
• 191:30 - 205:00: Vote of Thanks and Conclusion The chapter "Vote of Thanks and Conclusion" outlines the closing remarks and expressions of gratitude during an event. The director of ISWM took part in officially inaugurating the program by participating in a traditional ritual, which is suggested to be lighting a ceremonial lamp. The volunteers and panelists are acknowledged for their contributions to the event, although specific details and sequences of the 'vote of thanks' are not detailed in the excerpt.
• 205:00 - 283:00: Panel Discussion on Net Zero Chapter Title: Panel Discussion on Net Zero Summary: The chapter includes a transcript from a panel discussion on achieving net zero emissions. The participants are encouraged to share their thoughts as applause breaks out.
• 283:00 - 293:48: Final Remarks and Session Closure The chapter titled 'Final Remarks and Session Closure' concludes the session with closing statements. The transcript suggests that the closing remarks were well-received, as indicated by the applause from the audience. This chapter marks the end of the session, encapsulating the key takeaways and leaving a lasting impression on the attendees.

Dr Ajay Mathur live | D K Sanyal Memorial Lecture | Director General International Solar Alliance 🇮🇳 Transcription

• 00:00 - 00:30 how are you
• 00:30 - 01:00 think
• 01:00 - 01:30 a very good afternoon to distinguished guests esteemed speakers faculty col and my here students it's my honor and privilege to welcome you all to the D Shel Memorial lecture on energy Security in India a
• 01:30 - 02:00 new opportunity and sustainability we are going to start to this program with national anthem may I request everyone to please stand for
• 02:00 - 02:30 [Music] [Music] ground
• 02:30 - 03:00 [Music] [Music] [Music]
• 03:00 - 03:30 thank you I now invite Professor Dr suit Kumar Basu president of board of Governor iswv s d Treasurer the board of trusty isw s chakravarti first president bangal chamber former MD and CEO exide India his Excellency Dr aay Mau director general of the international solar Alliance Professor Dr K magal acting
• 03:30 - 04:00 director of iswm to formally inaugurate this program by lighting theoni lab volunteers may please the panelist uh
• 04:00 - 04:30 other members so please all of you are requested to kindly uh Jo as hey hey hey hey [Applause]
• 04:30 - 05:00 got [Applause]
• 05:00 - 05:30 [Music] [Applause] please all closer thank you than you today we gathered here to honor the
• 05:30 - 06:00 memory of the remarkable late professor Dr D late Prof D we honor not only his entering Legacy but also the value he maintain a fixed commitment towards progress and pionering contribution to management education his contribution serves as a profound source of
• 06:00 - 06:30 inspiration for all of us who strive to follow in his footsteps this lecture series was established to celebrate his extraordinary Legacy it serves as a platform to carry forward his ethos we have privileged to bring together world renowned thought leaders Visionaries and Scholars to honor his memory and Spark dialogues in issue that resonate with the life's work
• 06:30 - 07:00 today's lecture is no no exception as we are honored to welcome his Excellency Dr a matu director general of the international solar Alliance a Pioneer in advancing Global solar initiative to DK shanal Memorial lecture now I request may I now request Professor Dr sujit Kumar V president of the board of Governor wbm to kindly conduct the felicitation of Dr
• 07:00 - 07:30 a volunteer please
• 07:30 - 08:00 [Applause] [Applause] request Professor Dr K magal acting director of iswv to kindly carry out the felicitation of Professor Dr sujit Kumar BAS
• 08:00 - 08:30 [Applause] once again I request Professor Dr K AAL uh to conduct the felicitation of s DK sh pres of the board of truste
• 08:30 - 09:00 [Applause] so now I request again Professor Dr karal to kindly felicitate SBI chakti president Bal chamber and former MD and CEO
• 09:00 - 09:30 [Applause] thank you sir we'll now commence today's program with the welcome address by Professor Dr sujit Kumar Basu president of board of governor
• 09:30 - 10:00 [Music] Excellency M director General International
• 10:00 - 10:30 solar Al our panelist found CEO Singh MD generation CC limited she promot the saying Chief business officer in the
• 10:30 - 11:00 [Music] power Ed MBA Vine OMC limited other distinguished guests Professor DK seles and member Board of governance I wbn other members of b and b i wbn Professor Dr K magal director wbm members and
• 11:00 - 11:30 others of iwba good afternoon and welcome and welcome to you the DK SEL Memorial lecture on energy energy Security in India New Opportunities and sustainability followed by panel discussion on Mission m z rhetoric or
• 11:30 - 12:00 it is my privilege to share a few words about the heritage of our Institute IBM the precious journey of The Institute commenced on April 25 1953 when it was formed by a resolution of The Syndicate of University of Kolkata when the department of social
• 12:00 - 12:30 welfare of the University was converted into an autonomous institution that is iiswbm to cater to the needs of Industry as well as of the society for imparting management and social welfare education this was culmination of concerted efforts by the University of Kolkata government of West Bengal government of India and the captains of industry of the time
• 12:30 - 13:00 to set up for the first time a management Education Institute in India a concept alien to many of the educational at that time foundation stone was led by the then honorable prime minister P Neu and the coexistence rather a marriage occurred between business management and social welfare under the
• 13:00 - 13:30 leadership of legendary V The Honorable chief minister Dr BC Roy and our honorable founder director Professor D postal Department of the government of India released a commemorative postal Stam in the name of I wbm to celebrate its 50th year of memorable service to the ation Energy Management plays a pivotal
• 13:30 - 14:00 role in promoting sustainability by reducing carbon Footprints and minimizing wasted resource Indian India's energy security is tied to energy transition and focuses on the adopting on adopting uh clean energy while continuing to use oil and gas for growth
• 14:00 - 14:30 the primary objective of today's Memorial lecture is to spread Awareness on improving energy security improving access to energy and while mitigating climatic climate change I'm proud to inform you that organizing of this Memorial lecture has become anse own
• 14:30 - 15:00 achievement it is a moment of great pleasure for all of us to be a part of the Institute 71 Years Journey and take it forward in the years to come I'm confident that this Memorial lecture program will contribute considerably to the to the inclusive growth and admissible and sustainable and development of the country country in
• 15:00 - 15:30 line with a goal to attend to attend net Z by 207 C on behalf of all of us I once again welcome all of you and thank you us this afternoon with this I wish a grand success to this C to this event thank you thank you sir from briefing the Journey
• 15:30 - 16:00 of iswm to the esteemed audience now uh I invite s DK s treasurer of board of trusty is wbm to speak about his father the late uh late professor DK s founder director of IW sir please
• 16:00 - 16:30 good afternoon to all of you Basu Dr Mur Mr chakrawarti Mr mukarji and the eminent panelists Dr Agarwal Dr Vino CH ladies and gentlemen and my dear students we have gathered today to honor our founder director late professor dendra Kumar sanal by my father and also
• 16:30 - 17:00 listen to our distinguished speaker Dr aay Mur speak on enity in India new opportunities for sustainability and therea the panel discussion on carbon emission my father late professor sanal was born in faridpur now in Bangladesh on 27 November
• 17:00 - 17:30 1905 he completed his entrance examination from faridpur and then migrated to minapur to complete dcom from Kolkata University his Elders encouraged to attempt for mcom and he passed mcom from University in 1930 standing First In First Class and was the University gold medalist and pricean in the of that
• 17:30 - 18:00 year the World opened up to a brilliant personality with an intense desire for welfare of of humanity the prime driving force for his constructive Endeavors throughout his life my father Professor sanial pursued both in in the academic and the administrative fields with exemplary
• 18:00 - 18:30 success a brocher containing the biab of late professor DK s and Dr aay Mur have already been circulated for your appreciation the DK s Memorial lecture was instituted to perpetuate the memory of our founder director in the goldland Jubilee year of is wbm celebrated in the
• 18:30 - 19:00 year 2003 2004 by the then director s Ashok data the first day stamp and cover was also issued by government of India on the golden jubilee the first Memorial lecture however was given by S profa Chandra Shen the then chief minister of of West
• 19:00 - 19:30 Bengal and president of is WB on 27th November 1971 at the 6 66th birth anniversary entitled DK sanial the great organization organizer the details of all earlier Memorial lectures are also shown separately along with the brocher late professor s had an excellent academic background and
• 19:30 - 20:00 also a brilliant career with the rare distinction of having so many firsts to his credits Professor SEL was the Pioneer in establishing management education in India and Southeast Asia and was instrumental in establishing the first diploma course in management from all India in Institute of social welfare and
• 20:00 - 20:30 business management as it was known earlier from C University 1954 with founder president Dr VC Roy [Music] then Professor SEL had done EX simp ping
• 20:30 - 21:00 work in arranging for campus introduce and employment of Kata University graduates through the appointments and information Board of the calata University from 1937 to 1953 in the martile Farms of Kolkata the then business capital of India the concept of placement till then unheard of in rest in the rest of IND Professor
• 21:00 - 21:30 sanal again got Indian Juds Association interested in setting up the Institute of J technology in 1946 for training Jud industry technical person Personnel in India instead of sending them to dandi Scotland Professor SEL was honored with the badge of an officer of the most excellent order of the British Empire OB
• 21:30 - 22:00 1946 for his efforts cross Bengal branch in 1944 45 Professor SEL was also a great friend philosopher and guide to his in innumerable students and his message to his students was was
• 22:00 - 22:30 this institute is an Act of Faith whenever you are in difficulty remember your Institute and will be out of difficulty feir you well my father Professor Samuel passed away on 9th October 1970 evening at gopal poni urisa where he had gone for a family holiday surrounded by all his family
• 22:30 - 23:00 members in conclusion I can say that my late father Professor D SEL was an outstanding personality with conviction and was an uning constructive worker and a naturous Gentleman he was the principal architect of modern management education in India I am sure all of you are eagerly waiting to listen to Dr Mur
• 23:00 - 23:30 on energy Security in India and then then thereafter the panel discussions may I now request Dr M to kindly deliver the memorial thank you all thank [Applause] you thank you sir thank you for uh your informative lecture on life journey of
• 23:30 - 24:00 late professor DK s so without further delay it's my privileged to invite today's uh speaker his Excellency Dr aay Mau to deliver dkal Memorial lecture Dr aay Mur is the director general of the international solar Alliance of the ISA a treaty best organization as of first J 2025 120 countries have signed the treaty prior to his election as the Director general
• 24:00 - 24:30 of Isa Dr matu was the director general of the energy and Resource Institute or kry and earlier was uh of the buau of Energy Efficiency or be he has also been our at Terry president of the uh wind energy company suland and team leader for climate change in the World Bank he was also the director of the uh green climate Fund in its foundational phase
• 24:30 - 25:00 as DG of Isa Dr matur has buil up its advocacy capacity building and project preparation activities he has led the preparation of report that are prepared on annual basis uh the creation of national Center for capacity building and eliminating countries to make institutional changes encompassing both Regulatory and policy changes and
• 25:00 - 25:30 project development he has created a global solar facility with a payment guarantee uh window to attract investment in small solar in Africa this facility will later be expanded to Asia and Latin America a solar startup challenge has also been initiated to identify solar startups in the developing world who could generate nationally relevant projects till then
• 25:30 - 26:00 the challenge has identified 20 startups in Africa 30 in Asia Pacific region and will uh identify 20 startups in the Latin America and carian region in 2025 these startups are then put through accelerator Workshop in raising Finance enhancing technological capability and in brand building so that some of them become Amazon for tomorrow in addition Dr matu had led the
• 26:00 - 26:30 ISA to bring solar into people's life through events such as International solar festivals Etc these activities have served to build ISS credibility in enabling solar energy as the energy sources of choice earlier as DG of T he led the Institute activities into the energy transition areas and on air quality improvement initiative and
• 26:30 - 27:00 strengthens his work in the energy and environment policy area the industrial Energy Efficiency area and the development of biotechnological Innovations especially in agricultural applications these activi activities resulted in the National and Global recognitions that uh transition to carbon free energy was possible in India while meeting the growing energy need for its
• 27:00 - 27:30 people efficiency into our lives through the star leveling program the performance achieve and trade or pack program Etc we also headed the creation of a public sector company Energy Efficiency service limited or eesl as a market uh maker for Energy Efficiency Services this innovative business model adopted by EES enabling the Indian market to switch
• 27:30 - 28:00 over to Energy Efficiency efficient LED bus in less than four years he was a member of the Indian Prime Minister Council on climate change and also was co-chair of the global energy transition commission and the cooling initi initiative of the one Earth Summit he was appointed as a civili the uh other National Dem Merit by the
• 28:00 - 28:30 president of France in recognition of his outstanding commitment to preserve the environment and energy related challenges he was also a member of the intergovernmental panel on climate change or ipcc which was awarded the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize Dr ma received a bachelor degree in chemical engineering from the then University of RI in 1979 and subsequently the Master's and PhD
• 28:30 - 29:00 degrees from the University of Illinois he has received the distinguished alumnas award from both of his Alam Matas so um without I now uh uh uh sorry he is also a fellow of Institute of Engineers of the National Academy of Engineers and the Royal Institute of Charter Ser so this is the short CV of Dr matu
• 29:00 - 29:30 so there are many more in his back so please welcome Dr matu the four round of thank you very much for this great introduction I shall venture to deliver the professor DK sanal Memorial lecture with some of his
• 29:30 - 30:00 greatness Professor s came very early in my life because he was all over India the quintessential institution Builder he obviously built up this institution he also built up as professor as Dr Mr s just mentioned the national juk uh Center it is creating institutions which provide for
• 30:00 - 30:30 people to be developed every day till today this is a great or Vision he was as was said a great organizer but he was more than an organizer he helped bring institutions and people together to enable them to work together towards the common good and it is this common good that I would like to focus on in the lecture that
• 30:30 - 31:00 follows I would like to talk about the energy security issues that are of great and Paramount interest to India but to the rest of the world as well but I'll confine myself to India and I'll confine myself to electricity that is of greatest interest and I think as far as work is concerned
• 31:00 - 31:30 I think that is the area in which the greatest amount of effort has been carried out the first thing that I'd like to focus on is the fact that in the past year in 2024 we have finally got prices for Round the Clock renewable electricity which are less than that of new coal
• 31:30 - 32:00 based power stations Round the Clock renewable electricity is produced by a mix of solar of wind and of a storage batteries are pump storage providing electricity at 5 rupees or less per kilowatt at the same time full power stations which have been been uh approved not approved which have in Commission in the past one year have
• 32:00 - 32:30 received prices from Regulators of more than 5 rupes 515 550 per kilowatt hour at the same availability rate availability of 85 to 90% uh for Generation this means that a very important Milestone has been crossed because if you take a Coal Power ation now to a bank the first question they'll
• 32:30 - 33:00 ask you is that when Round the Clock renewable energy is cheaper and I emphasize the word Round the Clock it can mean even at 4:00 in the morning when you need electricity it is available if it's not solar it's if it's not solar or wind it's from the B so when the bank says this what answer can you give there are three answers or actually two the first is where is the land right now we don't have a problem
• 33:00 - 33:30 of land but as the solar and wind and Battery demand grows we will need more and more land a back of envelope calculation that we did uh indicated that if all the tar desert was put was used for solar and wind and batteries that would be enough to meet our energy
• 33:30 - 34:00 demand in 2017 do we want that no we would like land to be available across the country we would like land to be available in madhya Pradesh in Maharashtra in chtis gar in Bengal there is the problem of how do you get land when people are already working on it I believe that there exist Solutions it's it's we need to carry
• 34:00 - 34:30 them further for example in Tamil Nadu when we first went in with wind we were buying the wind companies were buying entire tracks of land and selling off as much as you wanted they would set up the machines they would run the plants you would get the returns if you are the investor later on this model was changed
• 34:30 - 35:00 into buying only the area under the wind energy machine and the Roads connecting The Bu energy machines even later and this was on the farmers uh uh call the land was Leed to the manufacturer so the farmer got a regular return apart from being able to farm the the short part I want to leave you with
• 35:00 - 35:30 is that models are possible we will need the state the power of the state to aggregate this they can aggregate it they can lease it they will have to pay the initial lease but then they can pass on the lease to the solar developer who can then pay start paying the lease the price that they pay for setting up the solar energy I believe that this kind of
• 35:30 - 36:00 a model provides benefits on a recurring basis both to the farmer and the developer of renewable energy I don't think any of us want any more what is very familiar to you we don't want any more C but we want Economic Development we want Industrial Development but we want the all the land owners and their rights to be protected as
• 36:00 - 36:30 well the second problem is that of transmission lines if you have you know developing a solar project takes 2 years even if it is 1,000 megaw or 2,000 me but developing a transmission line to that place takes a minimum of 3 years if not 4 years which means the transmission light will have to start being built before obviously if you are able to
• 36:30 - 37:00 identify tracks of land then these transmission lines can be built Gujarat identified an area KRA on the India Pakistan Border in the lower run of K the upper run of K uh where 30 gaw 30,000 megawatt of solar and wind and batteries can be set up it therefore make great sense to make a transmission line from KRA to the nearest place where they can connect to
• 37:00 - 37:30 the National Grid or take it to a load Center like Amad we need these kinds of places because ultimately what would happen is if you do wind in one place you do solar in the second place and you do batteries in a third place you'll have three transmission lines Each of which is used for 33% of the time or 30% of the time rather than one line being used 90% of
• 37:30 - 38:00 it this is important because what it does is it enables us to do transmission planning ahead of the uh solar planning itself the third issue is that of money what we have seen is the solar plus wind Plus Storage together costs almost double of of a Coal Power Station of equivalent size providing electricity
• 38:00 - 38:30 the same amount at 4:00 in the morning and obviously at 3:00 in the afternoon and 7:00 in the evening the key issue then arises are we not able to get this doubled amount of money which then enables electricity to be supplied at a price Which is less than that of Co but the investment cost is obviously more we can but think of it when it happens at scale today we spend
• 38:30 - 39:00 about 15% of our national investment uh in the power sector this will go up to 30% possible but you can hear the sucking sound coming out of the other sectors because they will not get which means can we enhance the speed the velocity with which money is invested as I said earlier solar projects can be
• 39:00 - 39:30 completed in 2 years you give one year for them to start recovering their money by generating electricity and selling it and therefore getting money at that point it will become viable for them to raise money through bonds because at least you know many of you are much much much younger you have not even begun your careers but for people like me I am very worried about my Pension
• 39:30 - 40:00 funds this is a safe place to keep pension part consquently the the prop can earn these bonds and pay back the loan so the loan is paid back in 3 years and that money can be invested again in a solar and renewable energy project the point being that it is possible to use the same
• 40:00 - 40:30 money twice while at the same point raising more money from our incomes from our pensions that can be peed into the sector the point I want to leave you with is that while we have crossed the first barrier of the economic value of renewable electricity Around the Clock we have not yet crossed the barrier of making land land and transmission lines
• 40:30 - 41:00 and money available we will need to work towards it this leads where is it that we see opportunities occurring in the years to come go ahead with more and more solar energy and we go ahead with more and more renewable energy ining batteries as you look to your future I would suggest
• 41:00 - 41:30 that supposing we focus on electric vehicle manufacturing and I would suggest that we focus on two wheeler electricity vehicle electric vehicle manufacturing why as a country we sell three times as it makes great sense to invest in electric two wheelers but
• 41:30 - 42:00 the electric two wheelers need charging if you look at the data for today then of the electric vehicles of the electric two wheelers that are sold in India something of the order of 70 to 80% very large proportion of the electric two wheelers sold in urban areas in India are electric but that drops to 5 or 6% when you go to the rural areas
• 42:00 - 42:30 why because we don't get adequate time for charging we don't get electricity erratic which means that if you have an electric two wheer you're not very sure whether you can run it at the time you want tomorrow whether you will it will be fully charged and you can go to the office tomorrow I have a small far in central I I was very pleasantly surprised when this means that for
• 42:30 - 43:00 electric electric vehicles to be that for electric electric vehicles to be effective to be at a scale we need stand alone charging infrastructure so the second thing so electric vehicles is the first the second thing that we need are stand alone solar charging systems obviously
• 43:00 - 43:30 not solar alone but solar Plus batteries therefore you can charge these at any time that you want I believe that solar charging stations are the big opportunity of the future the third area is using solar electricity in manufactur I'll give you an
• 43:30 - 44:00 example Kolkata is in the larger base of say the steel making Community Based which was based in jamshedpur and now is also based in urisa urisa jarand uh biar or are the areas where this is developed it makes great sense to look at how we
• 44:00 - 44:30 can look at green steel we have something of the order of I don't know somewhere near 140 somebody says 140 somebody says 150 million tons of steel making capacity but this is going to Triple in by 2040 people want to make investments now but the Green Technology is not
• 44:30 - 45:00 there how do you what is Green Technology in steel making in steel making you essentially have to add Coke to Steel to reduce it so that and that produces carb can we used some other reducing agent instead of of carbon which produces CO2 Global efforts have found that we
• 45:00 - 45:30 can use hydrogen and what is produced is hydrogen plus oxygen makes water so water is emitted instead of hydrogen there have been a large number of technological demonstrations of this technology and the leading technology developer is in Sweden uh who are developing a hydrogen based
• 45:30 - 46:00 manufacturing system but it is not yet ready in other words today plants can be hydrogen ready how do you do that I think this is an area where we need to focus a great deal more making plants safe because working with hydrogen is very different from working with any other the fuels that we go they are lighter when they burn they
• 46:00 - 46:30 go straight up when I was studying engineering I was taught that the that the hydrogen fire is the most dangerous fire because you can actually walk into it without even knowing it is there because it's invisible in other words while we've been successful in using hydrogen at an industrial scale have not yet used it at a retail scale we need to learn to do that and set up
• 46:30 - 47:00 the safety rules that are necessary for that to occur there are so solar so electric two wheelers or electric vehicles in general solar charging stations green steel are some of the areas where you work another area that I think is of particular importance especially as we look at other countries which are not
• 47:00 - 47:30 yet fully connected but even in India where we are fully connected but the supply of electricity is erratic is the use of solar minits or stand alone solar battery systems for providing electricity particularly to homes but also to a variety of other uses in the neighboring states of biar and of up we have seen these solar minig gits
• 47:30 - 48:00 come up in large numbers large numbers means in the hundreds because of regulations that have enabled them and they provide electricity in at times when the grid is unable to do so so it is used for quality purposes for the reasons of providing 24hour service when it is not available but in
• 48:00 - 48:30 many parts of the world especially if you look at Africa where the grid is not yet fully developed these solar mini grids make great sense to provide basic electric needs what we have found is that if you extend the grid remember in these Villages very little amount of electricity is used and therefore it is very expensive
• 48:30 - 49:00 to extend the grid to be these things solar plus bories are a cheaper thing and we have found that if you look at African cost the the distance is about 10 km if you have to extend the grid by more than 10 km then putting a solar mini grid is cheaper then putting then extending the grid we believe that with the Indian experience there is a huge demand that
• 49:00 - 49:30 is waiting to be met in other parts of the world where energy access or at least electricity access has not yet been provided we are looking also at solar manufacturing as far as solar manufacturing is concerned what we see is that the vast amount of manufact facturing today is concentrated in China
• 49:30 - 50:00 concentrated I would say that 95% of the solar Wafers are made in China it's great because they're able to do it at a very low cost but the concentration of manufacturing creates a problem because what it does is that Supply chains from China to the rest of the world get hugely effective so there are months of the year at least
• 50:00 - 50:30 two months in Africa one month off the coast of Latin South America where you do not find solar panels because of supply chain con because the shipping constraints that occur from Shanghai to these places it means that especially as we looking at enhancing by an order of three at the very minimum could it be as high as eight the amount of solar panels that we use by 2030 as compared to today so 2030
• 50:30 - 51:00 will be using at least three times as many solar panels as as in it means that we'll have to geographically diversify manufacturing as we looked into the economics we found that if you were importing solar cells and putting the solar cells together to make solar modules it makes economic sense if you you've got enough demand you can do it in India you have
• 51:00 - 51:30 been doing it in India but you can also do it in various parts of Africa you can do it in various parts of Latin America you can do it in various parts of Asia and so on however making solar sales is a challenge because of the very low prices at which China is able to sell it China's invested hugely in the numbers of uh companies but in research and development and in
• 51:30 - 52:00 the creation of the high that it is that is needed to to man these uh solar panel manufactur these solar cell manufacturing plants it is very difficult toat I'll give you an order of magnitude number it consists of many separate Industries and these industries are competing each
• 52:00 - 52:30 other the total number of these industries are such that their production capacities almost double the world's demand today for them to survive they need to lower their prices that's the only reason you will buy and they will get Revenue this means that there are opportunities as well because earlier on when this same thing happened with electric vehicles in China they
• 52:30 - 53:00 it that problem is an opportunity for us because that Technologies are changing day by day and because they're changing day by day you can buy a plant and keep it under moth balls but then when you start producing by that time new technologies are available I would suggest that you I'm looking at
• 53:00 - 53:30 the at the students here should focus on making solar cells that use new technologies for example we are looking right now at a base of the co sites and on top of it is the traditional silicon solar with the Silicon layer creates a larger bandwidth over which the solar energy can be converted into electricity it also addresses the perco
• 53:30 - 54:00 site's major problem which is that of uh of degeneration with ag because what it does is it encapsulates it in this silicon there at the lab level we have seen huge changes in efficiency the best cells that we're selling in the market now are at 22 and 1 12% efficiency some of these lab cells are at 30% plus efficiency we therefore need to see
• 54:00 - 54:30 these new technologies come up I am therefore looking at you to see these various opportunities that come up in the energy system to of tomorrow whether it is electric two- wheelers whether it is the creation of the bond market to refinance renewable energy assets whether it is the adop of these newer Solar Technologies in manufacturing such as steel whether it is in solar Min
• 54:30 - 55:00 grids especially in Africa whether it is in the development of these kinds of innovative Manufacturing Technologies I foresee that we will therefore have a huge amount of energy knowledge and energy expertise to be able to export to the rest of the world apart from meeting our own
• 55:00 - 55:30 needs I would very much like to hope that some of you would be interested in this and will develop be able to develop Enterprises that convert these ideas into actual implementation as was mentioned earlier at the international solar Alliance We Carry Out an identification of new solar startups we were delighted to see the
• 55:30 - 56:00 range of solar startups in Africa in East Asia Europe in but particularly in India because you have to have a basic amount of to go into the more nuanced developments for example we one of the startups who we identified had developed a robotic mechanism for cleaning solar cells now if you don't have enough solar
• 56:00 - 56:30 cells then cleaning them and developing an automated system for cleaning them does not make sense I hope that these are the kinds of opportunities that you will see and you will uh you will convert into reality tomorrow thank you very very much thank you sir for your enlightening
• 56:30 - 57:00 Insight on economic values of renewable energy and its future opportunities and potential for our sustainable future so uh if you have any question you may please ask it just take few questions uh Professor I was taking notes in my mobile while you were giving it was
• 57:00 - 57:30 indeed a very good uh talk I just have two very short questions number one everywhere of course with solar we need the storage and the storage and lithium and battery and environment and Mining huge plora of issues uh do you think for example sodium what is the present Trend going on now in the world I would like to understand and my second point is you
• 57:30 - 58:00 mentioned about the thought desert and all of it needs to be covered why are we not looking at the Seas and water bodies in Kolkata itself for example we have the East Kolkata wetlands and nothing is allowed no construction can be there by uh by law now can we have floating solar cells over there do you think there is a merit in that thank you very much Mr maybe I take two or three questions together
• 58:00 - 58:30 together as you said I'll distur you so the first question is obviously we are just this accelerations of this particular directions of energy mix is driving from different corners for initially we had the resource depletion and then we are rather more accelerated due to the climate change Energy Mix will actually particular part the energy transition that will depend on the resources available and the demand also I mean do you think that is a general Global train
• 58:30 - 59:00 or it can have the localized context more important number one and the second query is we know that the behavioral change in the energy conservation approach made a lot of I mean issues and the demand side management and other is there any study on accommodate the renewable energy there needs certain behavioral change because there is a gap between the demand and Supply we have to depend on the national availability rather than the assur supply from
• 59:00 - 59:30 my first question is regarding the green wordss that you talked about we speaking about this for very long long time but it is not getting popularized and my second question is that I was EAS in USA I met many you know International firms who are very interested to collaborate in green hydrogen how do we attracting how do we on to come back to
• 59:30 - 60:00 India sir good afternoon see the recent trend of development focusing on environment sustainability and governance sustainability is an issue which is linked with Pollution Control to be executed in different Power Station with fossil fuel fire boilers how do you feel that given the
• 60:00 - 60:30 Indian climate of Power Engineering power utility and power distribution this environment sustainability and governance movement at the global standard can be kept at [Music] par let me answer [Music] give a
• 60:30 - 61:00 [Music] mic so Dr M two very basic questions number one is today the base level generator is fil F generation on which Renewables are py back so in the scenario of tomorrow are we thinking about replacing the base level generator with nuclear power plants because that's
• 61:00 - 61:30 the only other alternative which we have at this point in time otherwise we will continue to remain with coal second point is with respect to the Flora and Fauna because when we talk about Renewables particularly wind farms solar Farms it affects the local flora and funa wind farms for example POS a huge huge haard to birds to the avian population as far
• 61:30 - 62:00 as Mr s talked about using the water bodies so that again would affect the fish and the Marine creatures out there so this is something that we need to think about before we jump into this uh on this path so I thought I mean I would like your views on this thank you we have there is another Hall full with students there are I hope there are some questions also how can is it
• 62:00 - 62:30 possible digital team is it possible to get their questions also sir some of the students who are downstairs but having questions they have come up for the questions okay so let me let me I also have a question because so what we do the next round is only for students yes so we Dr CH as a bridge between students and US oldies you have the last word in this talents of
• 62:30 - 63:00 India okay uh by my count I have 11 questions which I will try to answer the first had to do with the issue of solar and Storage uh so lithium is a particular problem
• 63:00 - 63:30 and lithium is a problem but you know as a engineer uh what I remember is this is not the first time that such a problem of resources has occurred whenever such a problem has occurred what has been the uh what has happened there are three things that have happened the first is finding more of it so for example in the 1960s we did a large geop Geological Survey of India and we noted many things
• 63:30 - 64:00 for example we found boite in Germany but lithium was not even mentioned in the 1960s now we went went back to look at oxide mining in jamu we found lithium there as well so I think what happens is that by adding these critical minerals to the geological list of things that are of interest you find more deposits than you did earlier so that's the first the second is
• 64:00 - 64:30 that use less of it if we look at batteries that were produced in 2010 and batteries that were produced in 2023 we see a 10 to 12% reduction in the amount of lithium per set this is important because what has happened is because of competitive pressures the lithium battery manufacturers to compete amongst themselves reduce the amount of lithium
• 64:30 - 65:00 because it's an expensive source and therefore are able to compete better get you and I to buy them the third thing that happened is what you mentioned the sodium because sodium is much much more easily available and therefore the third thing that happens is not of a Kind substitute development sodium ion batteries are now so well developed a FKS subsidiary is providing it as the batter of choice in their
• 65:00 - 65:30 hybrid vehicles I think that this will continue this is important because what it does is lithium has a competitor the market between Lithium and sodium will now always be based on economics and not so much on technology but the other point that you place which was of the uh waste
• 65:30 - 66:00 management is very very important today approximately 90 some per of lead acid factories are recycled either officially or unofficially why because the lead plates have a value similarly we need to start making lithium b in a fashion that the lithium
• 66:00 - 66:30 can be reused when these batteries have been used that's the only way to ensure that collection and ultimately recycling occurs is this happening well in labs around the world work is going on but we will need to move to the level of Standards so that vacum manufacturers can use those standards you somebody
• 66:30 - 67:00 alone doing it it will make it much more expensive so everybody has that is what standards we need to work toward standard the issue the other issue that you raised was that of the Thar Desert yes Thar Desert is good but that alone will not be adequate because if I'm getting electricity in Delhi why on Earth should Rajasthan and harana have to pay why should I have to
• 67:00 - 67:30 pay them can't I do it somewhere closer so it can be done closer but because currently the rules allow the transmission of electricity particularly something known as the interstate surcharge not to be charged on reable electricity it's happening where the resource is best but I I'm already seeing that the demand is now coming based on the land
• 67:30 - 68:00 cost rather than on the cost of transmission because the cost of transmission is very small compared to the land cost so in my view if lands are made available then this issue of the interstate transport Interstate Sarge leading to elect leading to plants being located far away will also become less it will not disappear but it will become
• 68:00 - 68:30 less the third question was on acceleration local versus global needs this is a tough question and this is something that we face every day when we looked at the kinds of solar policies the regul the training programs Etc that are needed in different parts of the world we found
• 68:30 - 69:00 that there are at least there are at least four kinds of countries the first are the so-called developed countries where to very large extent the per capita use of electricity is more or less constant it's increasing but it's more or less Conant what this means is that they can go for solar electricity generation during the day but at night they can go to their existing
• 69:00 - 69:30 power the issue that you have said about basing it on Renewable Power so Renewable Power is based on fossil power if you look at how the us or Germany or uh Japan use solar at night they continue to use the source that is most economical for them and solar is not so that was the first the second is the large developing countries like India
• 69:30 - 70:00 because what you see here is that the demand is growing very fast and because demand is growing very fast my colleagues at CST will ask me so do you want us to set up both solar and fossil fuel solar during the day and fossil fuel at night that doesn't make sense thankfully the price uh discovery of the price of Round the Clock renewable electricity being
• 70:00 - 70:30 less than that than that of new coal based power station has been helpful in this direction because now companies can take a considered decision that they invest in solar plus wind plus packing that provides them with the 24-hour base power rather than fossil fuel power this also implies that for countries like
• 70:30 - 71:00 India batteries development and batter cost reduction is of far greater importance than it is in the west the third group of countries that we looked at were those which were smaller countries smaller developing countries there we saw that by far and large the grid had not been developed for and solar minig grades make much greater sense in meeting the energy
• 71:00 - 71:30 demands actually energy abundance rather than just meeting demand then does grid extension so grid is important grid is important especially for the large towns but instead of extending the grid they can talk of solar mini grids with local distribution around and the fourth group of countries which we look that was the small island developing States you know I
• 71:30 - 72:00 was amazingly it hit me when I visited Fiji to go from one Island to the other you have to go in a boat great that boat runs on diesel who's talking of electric boats nobody with piji being able to develop and manufacture no they don't have the capacity they don't have the human capacity they certainly don't have the engineering and
• 72:00 - 72:30 manufactur the people capacity it will have to be done in countries like India now POI is developing a boat electric boat as a ferry can it be developed as a high speed boat between islands I think these are the kinds of challenges that the small island States offer which to which we do not have answers at the moment so these are the four groups which have very very
• 72:30 - 73:00 different needs the developed countries the large developing countries the smaller developing countries and the small island States I believe that the poor of them for very distinct solar approaches in the years to come and this to a certain extent answers the question that it is far more important in a country where the demand is developing both at night and in the day for renewable energy to be the base power
• 73:00 - 73:30 rather than fossil fuel to be the base power behavioral change we lost out people's dependence on electricity is so high that at most what you can do is get them to use the washing machine at the times when electricity is ail aailable or nothing more than that
• 73:30 - 74:00 consequently the approach now is the opposite that you change the electricity Supply system that the grid manager is able to integrate fossil fuel electricity and renewable electricity so that you meet the demand at any given time this obviously implies that you have got an excess of capacity
• 74:00 - 74:30 but I I am completely open to the idea of Behavioral change I strongly believe in it but I must confess that this is a battle that we seem to be losing more often than we are in you asked about green bonds I a very small movement has to be made in
• 74:30 - 75:00 as much as at least at the international level we have started seeing green bonds being developed and many Indian companies buying these issuing these green bonds but not yet the state what we need is a platform and electronic platform in which people can invest in green bonds because people invest in large amounts of money but give it out as retail because individual projects will need it that
• 75:00 - 75:30 platform needs to be developed and I'm hoping that of the many young people here we will see these kinds of ideas catching uh F green hydrogen you know India has created an ecosystem for green hydrogen it has also said that we will look at at a demand of but the fundamental problem that
• 75:30 - 76:00 occurs is that green hydrogen today costs something of the order of4 to4 and5 a ke but gray hydrogen made from the Reformation of natural gas costs $2 we need to see this price decline occur it is occurring uh if you ask me 2 years the price of green hydrogen was $5 it's $4
• 76:00 - 76:30 now so we need somebody to provide this difference between $2 and $4 the in the European market there particularly Germany has said that it will provide it will buy a certain amount of hydrogen and and provide a premium price for it they have a set of conditions how is the electricity generated to make the green hydrogen and
• 76:30 - 77:00 so on those are the kinds so it's a nitty-gritty where the discussions are now focused uh the issue of [Music] ESG you know this is a subject which we will have to keep track of as we go why
• 77:00 - 77:30 because on the issue of environment and sustainability while we are looking at the future we also looking at the evolving technology so for example there is in India a a ESG fund uh which is managed by m Rajan who's the brother of n Rajan of RBI F and mul says that the greatest challenge that ESG has so
• 77:30 - 78:00 first of all as far as returns are concerned they don't have a problem with that but what they do have a problem with is report transparency in reporting on ESG unless it is made mandatory what happens is that if I invest a huge bit in ESG Manufacturing in ESG reporting and and you don't then there is a imbalance in the
• 78:00 - 78:30 cost my own belief is that ESG reporting helps there's no reason why companies cannot set up Progressive goals I go to step one then I go to step two then I go to step three there's no reason why they have do that but we need to see these kinds of plans come from all Industries not only some indust [Music] uh
• 78:30 - 79:00 so now the key issue of development of solar clearly it can be developed on clear floating solar particularly in densely populated areas makes great sense so for example in uh in uh Bengal uh you have uh the uh
• 79:00 - 79:30 the West Pia uh Reservoir and there is no reason why solar panels cannot be put on top of it we have something of the order of 1,000 megawatt of floating solar in India as well which are operating ntpc already started ntpc has two projects and two more under construction so I think it total adds up to a little more than a th000 there is I think
• 79:30 - 80:00 something like 300 something megawatt which is already functioning and approximately 700 megawatt which is under so even DVC put the option of 950 megaw okay great so floating solar makes great sense and especially if you look at densely populated areas it makes much greater sense yes the problem of Flora and FAA do occur we carried out a environmental impact uh this was required by the
• 80:00 - 80:30 Bangladesh Ministry of environment who was very concerned that the uh proin solar would affect plants animals and the lives of fishermen so what is important is to allow enough space between uh panels of solar between panels so that cleaning can be done and that boats can go through after every four or five or six panels you have a
• 80:30 - 81:00 space to go what it does is that it actually becomes a breeding ground for a lot of biomass including fish the best examples are out of a project which occurred in the males uh and the ones in uh in kayang kulum in Kerala where we see that the
• 81:00 - 81:30 biomass increased by almost 50% with the addition of the uh of the floating solar facilities it seems to indicate that it would probably be good though fish may see the behavioral change we haven't seen in people and fish May then go and hide between the beneath the solar panels who knows what will happen uh your question about
• 81:30 - 82:00 Oso ooog is a connection between grids so the West Asian grid is connected to the Indian grid the Indian grid is connected to the East Asian grid and so on we are not looking at intensifying the existing G infrastructure so India and for example UAE could get into an agreement to see how a
• 82:00 - 82:30 development of a uh of a linkage system is done so that solar electricity from the Gulf when it is still day there and it is night in India the solar electricity can flow to India there remain many many challenges to this the point you read of uh local grids I think the local grids will be required no matter
• 82:30 - 83:00 what so it's not a matter of using only the large grds or the one on one world one grd uh replacing solar Min gr but both of them occurring in paral and the last issue uh was uh what is the second question that house solar can help in finding talents from rural okay so one is a very simple way
• 83:00 - 83:30 and the very simple way is we are seeing that solar provides electricity in areas allowing people to both study and therefore be recognized by the academic system that's the normal way but what solar is also doing very interestingly is providing opportunities so for example I talked of the of the electric ke- wheelers operating in the village that I come from
• 83:30 - 84:00 solar charging stations can provide an additional Source job employment opportunity you can use the local talent entrepreneurially for those purposes as well I think we will now focus on questions only from the audience from the students sir I just only want question then sorry students okay we will do this
• 84:00 - 84:30 offline digitally compiled digitally comp good afternoon sir my name is I'm from final Energy Management uh sir my question is that what can be the solutions for India to compete with China uh in case of uh manufacturing solar SE solar sales and uh sir my second question is
• 84:30 - 85:00 what is Round the Clock renewable electricity uhuh sorry I took it for granted I should have explained it right in the beginning c see solar is available only when the sun is shining so what happens when it is not Shin it is at those points of time that people need electricity so for example in in Kolkata you have a peak that
• 85:00 - 85:30 occurs in the evening solar is not available what do you do that time so that is what Round the Clock electricity is that electricity is available when you need it and that is why people say we will do solar plus some storage device like batteries or pumped storage or ADD solar and batteries which reduce the time for which I need to do the batteries in order to supply
• 85:30 - 86:00 electricity so Round the Clock electricity is getting electricity when I want like from a cold Power Station uh your first question was solutions for India to compete with China as I said solar cells need incentives uh you can't China makes them much cheaper that is why the US provided them through the inflation reduction act
• 86:00 - 86:30 India is providing to the performance link incentive program what we are doing is providing a we auction and ask people how much money do you need from the government in order to be able to meet the market demand and I think if I'm not wrong something like 45 gaw of solar cell manufacturing has been
• 86:30 - 87:00 awarded though none of it has come online as yet I I was told that some of it will come online this year in 2025 but I was somebody else told me that the first time we will see will be by March 2026 sir my name is shal so I want to ask a question that how Isa is playing a role in solar PB model Waste Management which will help in achieving circular economy
• 87:00 - 87:30 okay so you know as far as is is concerned a lot of our members the total amount of solar energy they will use even at the PE will not be very and therefore the it is not economical for them to do uh uh to do recycling but we will need to collect those so collection is something that everybody needs to do and for
• 87:30 - 88:00 collection remember this collection is occurring 25 years after the installation that company may or may not survive at that point of time uh right now the rules we have in most countries including India look at extended producer responsibility epr and extended producer responsibility is that the producer says I will collect it when it goes back that company may not exist so that
• 88:00 - 88:30 means that we need up front with the sale of the panel to charge a certain fees 55 one rupee or what to be able to make a fund that can be used for recycling so the first is enabling connection so this is something on which we provide advice on what kind of collection uh of uh strategies have work what have
• 88:30 - 89:00 not the second is recent now this is a tough one it's tough one because the the Technologies of today the solar panel Technologies of today are very different from the Solar Technologies of 25 years ago the panels that are becoming waste today all of their materials cannot be used used in solar panels that are made today which means that as far as recycling is
• 89:00 - 89:30 concerned you need to make sure that that recycled material goes somewhere where it is of use so all the material should be separable this again as in the case of batteries means that you have to set up standards today to make the solar cells so that they are completely separable at the end of life we see glass which is in front and
• 89:30 - 90:00 steel or aluminium which is at the back being recycled but we don't see the solar material being recycled at those two lands that is where we need to focus that is why standards and the collection fees are important today so that is the advice which we give our remember okay so uh you may also
• 90:00 - 90:30 interact during this next panel discussion session anyone have any just yeah good afternoon sir I am B from final transportation and Logistics management so my question is uh to you is that in the current scenario what the whole world is talking about is sustainability and we are being educa educating ourselves regarding the importance of it but so transportation
• 90:30 - 91:00 is such a sector where achieving sustainability is a bit challenging and sir in a country like India can solar energy be a viable option in the near future so that we can substitute the traditional fossil fuels in transportation and adopt solar energy into even today the cost
• 91:00 - 91:30 of using petrol or diesel in a vehicle two wheer three-wheeler four-wheeler is far more than using electricity I use an electric car I've us using it for the last 4 years an electric I my cost of operation is approximately 1 RUP kilm equivalent car using petrol the
• 91:30 - 92:00 cost of operation was about 4 to 6 rupees a kilometer the major problem is that of the first cost if you add the cost of the battery it becomes more expensive if you don't add the cost of the battery it's actually cheaper than an internal combustion engine vle uh one of the new cars electric cars that have been introduced I think it's
• 92:00 - 92:30 the mg biner if I'm not wrong is being introduced with a with a cat that you can actually pay for the vehicle alone and pay for the battery separately so for the battery you pay for x kilm x rupees per kilometer driven after whenever you replace the battery and you pay less for but for those people who are buying on an Emi it's
• 92:30 - 93:00 actually better to buy on a to buy electric vehicle which is why you're seeing everybody all the electric vehicles all the logistics vehicles moving towards electric so in my view this is a this is a change this is a transition that is happening and the avail ility of more and more charging points will make it happen
• 93:00 - 93:30 faster so uh students are encourage to interact more during this next session next next panel discussion session uh uh now I'd request uh our guest of honor Mr sui chakrawarti former president CCI and former MD and CEO exide industry to say a few remarks sir
• 93:30 - 94:00 [Music] please so Dr M Prof suu Mr DK Professor AAL [Music] distinguished uh panelists and also dear students I
• 94:00 - 94:30 think it was a very very engaging session with Dr Mur I don't think there is anyone better than Dr Mur uh to discuss on this topic and I'm sure that uh all of you would love to ask many more questions but due to POS of time that may not be possible but I'm sure Dr matur if you were to reach out to him with your questions I'm
• 94:30 - 95:00 sure he will reply to you at some convenient time because this is a very engaging topic we are talking about energy security along with sustainability for a country which is growing and by Leaps and Bounds so this in itself is a big challenge but I'm sure with the help of uh you know experts like Dr matur we
• 95:00 - 95:30 shall be addressing this topic one of the topics I would topic of of lead acid batteries I can tell you one think that recycling only works if the economics are in your favor if the economics is against you it will never work no matter how much good intent is there all across the board so it is very important to establish in case of lithium ion or sodium
• 95:30 - 96:00 ion economics because only when I can use the recycled material profitably in my manufacturing operation then only the whole movement will take off before that it will be only inits and starts so this is I think something which needs to be established there are some large players although Dr matu talked about uh uh lab scale efforts going on for recycling but I think there are companies like loham which have
• 96:00 - 96:30 already establish some large plants for recycling of lithium so this is gradually gaining pace and it has to gain Pace because today all of us in this room if we place our hand on our hearts and ask ourselves this question how do we dis how do we dispose of the the able a or the AAA batteries all of us put it into the wastebin because there is no alternative as educated people we know
• 96:30 - 97:00 this is not the right thing to do but what do we do so therefore I think even before lithiumion comes in or sodium comes in we should have a policy at the municipality level and at the state and at the city level where by disposal of batteries existing batteries let's talk about existing batteries that we use in our day-to-day life that can be done properly in an environmentally friendly
• 97:00 - 97:30 way so these are things which come within the real of Behavioral changes which are required we cannot always place the fault at the door of the government we ourselves are equally to blame as individuals and I'm sure that if we put our heads together we will be able to chart out a path which will be equally profitable for industry as well as for our environment so thank you once again Dr M
• 97:30 - 98:00 for this excellent session thank you sir for your excellent concluding remark so now I request s DK Shanel Treasurer a board of truste as wbm to present the Institute M mentor to Dr m
• 98:00 - 98:30 thank you thank you [Applause]
• 98:30 - 99:00 now I request Professor Dr k agal director acting iswm and president awbm Kolkata chapter India to present
• 99:00 - 99:30 Association of energy Engineers best energy professional award to his Excellency Dr a Mur for his outstanding commitment and contribution in the field of energy and overall sustainability and and bringing Energy Efficiency and renewable energy applications into our lives here I would like to request uh Professor Dr BK CH Professor iswm vice
• 99:30 - 100:00 president of a Asia subcontinent and vice president of the awbm Kolkata chapter India to join us on the stage and gra this moment
• 100:00 - 100:30 [Applause] thank you sir I now request Professor Dr K agal acting director ofwb to deliver the formal vote of
• 100:30 - 101:00 thanks thank you his Excellency Dr a m director General International soral Alliance respected Professor Dr sujit Kumar Basu president Board of Governor Indian ins of social welfare and business management respected Professor DK SEL Treasurer Board of trustee and
• 101:00 - 101:30 member Board of Governor is wbm Mr Sub chakti former president BCCI and former CEO exite industry limited our respected panelist Mr de a mukarji chairperson energy environment committee and the C vice president BCCI s deas s IAS founder director and
• 101:30 - 102:00 CEO of new Bengal Consulting S V sing MD generation CSC limited S promo sing Chief business officer India power other distinguished guest member of B and B S wbm my faculty colleague officers and dear students good afternoon before we proceed for panel discussion on the Miss
• 102:00 - 102:30 Neto historic and reality rhetoric or reality I have the honor and the privilege to propose a formal vote of thanks on behalf of the Indian Institute of social welfare and business management in such acious occasion we are delighted to have Among Us his Excellency Dr aay Mur director General International solal Alliance we would like to extend our sincere gratitude to Dr Mur for accepting our
• 102:30 - 103:00 invitation to deliver Professor DK sanal Memorial lecture and chair the panel discussion sir we are really indeed to you for supporting and encouraging us and for enlightening enlightening us the the scenario of the energy security as well as the challenges and consider uh sharing your wor experience as the as
• 103:00 - 103:30 um Mr chakti has already mentioned that we do not have any other can say the better person than you and we are really honor to have amongst us to today this afternoon and commemorate our DL Memorial lecture once again sir thank you and uh we acknowledge gratefully for being with us this afternoon sir to Professor sujit Kumar Basu our honorable president Board of Governor Indian of social welfare and business
• 103:30 - 104:00 management for his all the encouragement and support for organizing this today's event to Professor DK SEL our honorable Treasurer Board of trustee and member Board of Governor is wbm for being us being being so passionately involved in designing this today's entire event and also organiz in this program so well so well and so consider passionately we are also grateful
• 104:00 - 104:30 to sub STI former president BCCI and former CEO exide industry limited for being with us this afternoon and also the very very consider the part pertinent remark being being in the environment field for the last three decade I can say that before we really invent new particular technology or go for innovation we must have the you can say the end use what we call as a life cycle assessment so before we talk about the alternative whether it's a lithium
• 104:30 - 105:00 battery or the whatever it may be we have to find out develop the infrastructure that how we will be going for the recycling so once again uh thank you Mr STi for bringing this particular point in the linelight for all of us we are also consider thankful to all the our esteem panelists for uh accepting our invitation and being part of this very very consider important panel discussion which we are going to witness very soon I would like to express our
• 105:00 - 105:30 sincere thank to our entire advisory and organizing committee team and all the faculty member staff for so passionately in getting getting involved in organizing this today's event last but not the least I would like to express my sincere thanks to entire voluntary Committee of the our student as well as the all the student for witnessing today's event thank you very [Applause]
• 105:30 - 106:00 much thank you sir so uh here we are formally uh ending this session and uh we are moving to our next session a panel discussion on a mission Net Zero rhetoric or reality so chaired by his Excellency Dr aay M director generaliz and Mr da M mukari so we are just quickly we're just changing this session and uh
• 106:00 - 106:30 volunteers are requested to uh uh do the needful and uh change this session uh here I would now uh also request our final MB students Miss Roy uh from management to initiate this session
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• 107:00 - 107:30 participants are requested to stay uh uh here in the hall we are going to start panel discussion within 5 minutes just changing the session so please don't so we invting [Music] please
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• 108:00 - 108:30 [Music] thank you so much ma'am uh now we are about to convene a panel discussion on the topic n zero rhetoric or real so now I would like to call upon the stage our renowned guest and chairman of the panel and Dr Al matur director General yes sir I will also call upon the stage the
• 108:30 - 109:00 moderator of the panel discussion Mr Dave a mukarji managing director synergist India Mr mukari managing director of synergist India is also an inward investor in the UK he has also served as president of the Bengal Chamber of Commerce and Industry in the year 2020 to 21 by qualification as a lawyer Dave mukari has been a Serial entrepreneur
• 109:00 - 109:30 with over 40 years of walk experience in diverse business Dills for the last 20 years he has walked in the energy water and sustainability Services business and was executive chairman of EA India until 2012 additionally he has strongly advocated and promoted industry Academia Partnerships in India and in the UK and has served on the editorial board
• 109:30 - 110:00 of stringer publication on sustainable energy technology and policies and transformational journey following to this I would also like to call upon the D s deashi Shen I is retired founder director and CEO of new Bal consultency
• 110:00 - 110:30 subsequently I would like to call upon the stage s Braes Singh managing director Cesc gener Limited lastly I would like to call upon the d s Pro promot sing Chief business officer
• 110:30 - 111:00 India power discuss [Music]
• 111:00 - 111:30 now I would like to request Professor Dr K agal director acting I WP to felicitate Mr Dave a mukari volunteers please come forward even good to see you happy New Year
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• 112:30 - 113:00 may I now request Professor Dr karal to please felicitate s Braes Singh
• 113:00 - 113:30 [Applause] now I will request Professor Dr BK churi Professor IIs wpm to
• 113:30 - 114:00 felicitate s De [Applause] [Music] may I request Professor Dr BK churi to
• 114:00 - 114:30 felicitate promot sing
• 114:30 - 115:00 [Applause] first mon first of energy mon now I request moderator of the panel discussion Mr a mukari to initiate the session over
• 115:00 - 115:30 to good afternoon ladies and gentlemen it's indeed an honor and a privilege to be here at this institute which has such a glorious Legacy and to be part of such an important event as the memorial lecture of the founder director of The
• 115:30 - 116:00 Institute and it's indeed our pleasure and an honor for all of us to have someone like Dr a Mal amongst us and to speak on a subject that is not only close to his heart but is close to all of us and which is of Paramount importance in today's context and I have no hesitation in saying and I think you will all agree with me that we are living in an existential
• 116:00 - 116:30 crisis and our current lifestyle with our current way our current way of living is indeed posing some enormous challenges and especially balancing that out you know economic development on the one hand and sustainability or clean environment or what we are going to discuss about Net Zero scenario balancing it out is a huge huge challenge especially for a country like India no discussion on energy security
• 116:30 - 117:00 with renewable means is possible without discussing as an necessary coroller to it on the net zero targets or net zero Mission as the organizers have put it and certainly with the Milestones that this country has set in terms of 20302 50 and ultimately 2070 that has triggered this question this debate whether this mission on Net Zero is just a myth or is it a reality
• 117:00 - 117:30 is it just rhetoric or is it something which will be realized in practice in reality I think it is certainly not a rhetoric but rhetoric is also necessary to translate it or to give shape to reality therefore both can coexist re as well as reality but Net Zero has to happen we are fortunate to have Dr matu chair this session and I would request
• 117:30 - 118:00 Dr Mau to give some pointers to the esteemed speakers who are here who could then have their thoughts uh conveyed to us and each speaker could have about I know we are slightly running short of time but each speaker could have about 10 to 12 minutes on the pointer by Dr Mur in terms of this you know the subject that we will be discussing this afternoon and then post your
• 118:00 - 118:30 observations the panelists we could have a little bit of interaction and then uh depending on the time we could of course we would very much like to also take some questions from the students so over to you Dr Mur in kickstarting the proceedings and uh we will take it up from here thank you you thank you very much uh I think the title itself leads to a
• 118:30 - 119:00 huge amount of angst at first but later on as Mr explained there also this issue of when is rhetoric essential to be reality but as far as the ground rules are concerned one of the things that I see is that withes here with prmod here possibly with Mr s Mr S I think I'm
• 119:00 - 119:30 going to hold you to this uh we are largely focusing on electricity I would therefore suggest that we look at whether it is possible to move to a net zero net carbon zero future for electricity by 20170 20170 is when our prime minister has said that we will move to uh Net Zero across the economy
• 119:30 - 120:00 So Pro possibly electricity should happen a little bit earlier I remember when this discussion occurred there was a huge amount of discussion about the date and it was said that if the developed countries are able to move to reach net 0 by 2050 it will take about 20 years at the most to be able to absorb the Net Zero Technologies and therefore be Net Zero ourselves but as we have discovered in
• 120:00 - 120:30 the years since the pathways for India are very and consequently one of the things that I'd like each of the panelists to focus on is what are the challenges in meeting the Net Zero goal but also what are the opportunities I personally don't at the opportunities as a far greater way of of of seizing the goal than looking at only
• 120:30 - 121:00 the challenges the challenges have to be looked at together the opportunities and finally it'll be great if the panelists can focus on what do they think is a time frame in which this is possible it could be 2090 it could be 2100 it could be 2050 but whatever it is I look forward to hearing from them about it I also hope that the panelists will be able to focus on the kinds of
• 121:00 - 121:30 actions that in their own sectors they they could help instigate in order for us to move towards n so with that let me turn it over to you there and to the panelist thank you very much uh we indeed have uh a distinguished uh set of panelists experts in their own rights who would be
• 121:30 - 122:00 deliberating on the uh pointers just given by the chair it's my honor to introduce uh Shri vashish sen uh who actually needs no introduction in the city to be perfectly honest because his contribution to the city and especially to what we now know as new town or greater town K is absolutely enormous it's a it's a model that he has built um as a distinguished
• 122:00 - 122:30 civil servant he was in the Indian administrative service for over I think three decades uh well over three decades and the architect of New Town Kolkata and chairman of hipco he has actually transformed the township into a model Smart City talked about in every corner of the world uh he has also played a pivotal Port uh part in the it infrastructure of the state and has contributed uh in number
• 122:30 - 123:00 of infrastructure projects and in the generally in the urban reguvenation of the State uh over to you uh Mr sen for your views thank you Mr mukarji for that very nice and kind introduction and I will will make a few observations on my experiences as chairman of the new town it's not aity it's Urban local body and
• 123:00 - 123:30 I was the chairman for more than a decade 14 years to be precise and what we did we did not a zero energy kind of initiative but a zero waste shop we made a shop which is now called zero shock anybody entering new to from Salt Lake site can see it shining and bright and our objective was to collect waste we will recyclable waste over there
• 123:30 - 124:00 batteries included which was mentioned in the discussions earlier to our dismay to our dismay we found very few batteries and eest are coming in anything of value for example laptops and old mobiles were all going off from their homes to the you know buyers r and things like that and the AAA batteries that was being talked about in the dust so there was this
• 124:00 - 124:30 problem of behavior change and we had a tough time in educating awareness among the people to make it very very uh interesting in fact though we are not dealing with this on but on the overall uh sustainability matter we were taking in old clothes and and you know making it Fabia type branding and reselling it at only cost prices but to come back to the energy scenario a completely
• 124:30 - 125:00 different initiative we took in the new town was in the matter of introduction of cycles and E Cy in whole of Kata the police does not allow cycling they say there may be accidents and what we see in Europe is a lot of cycling LAN and lot of Transportation Urban transportation in the last mile at least happening through cycles and we built 39 km of cycle track
• 125:00 - 125:30 all Green Cycle track in New Town alone we had Uber light app Cycles some of these were e cycles and it was so popular because you can't keep a cycle on a 14 story building how do you manage it how do you maintain it and we even had cycle training for women they had learned during their rural days but new town is a new ter so everybody is coming here so refresh the skills and
• 125:30 - 126:00 when we did an analysis we found that more cycles and E Cycles are being used by Petty Traders for bringing vegetables from place a to place B for commercial practices otherwise they would have to take it ones or what we call Vanos extremely polluting black smoke that is coming out so this cycling is an
• 126:00 - 126:30 initiative that we took very easily and it was catching on and it's still going on but you have to put the safe procedures in there coming to the energy thing we did I did ask the professor about floating solar we did an experimentation with 10 Kow over bugula Canal we we had made 1 megawatt of power on a canal top because land is very
• 126:30 - 127:00 precious in New Town and I can say this much that the Modern urban citizen is very motivated in using solar energy rooftop solar energy and environmentally conscious the thing is are our procedures very smooth we will be having our CC expert over here and people from Kolkata continuously send messages to me
• 127:00 - 127:30 even now that is so difficult I want to install my solar rooftop energy plant because I know in few years time I'll get it back but the procedure is cess forms are not available procedures are not given I'll be delighted to have it's a real I give in my own blog that this is the answer given by uh Mr bres thank you
• 127:30 - 128:00 very I will from my own experience I will only uh say one last thing and then I'll pass it on that is that we also did New Town as some of you may know is a happy city is a smart city is a green City certified Green City uh dral will have to call me for a full session if you want to have learn it full but there's no time I'll be to the point since we're dealing with energy
• 128:00 - 128:30 only new town is also one of the solar cities of the country Solar City was an initiative taken by the government of India Ministry of non-conventional energy and renewable energy that's it that you should do certain procedures so that your energy requirement in the next 5 years is lessened by about 5% we had a problem there we had to argue with government of India the problem was new was a growing city for a
• 128:30 - 129:00 city like Kolkata where the population is static you have Five Star air conditioning machines instead of one star so that your electricity consumption goes down even if you add additional Aces so your electricity consumption will be less by 5% but in Newton increase at a rapid place people are coming in it was a brown field and a green field City and it's filling up so what we did and government of India
• 129:00 - 129:30 agreed with our point of view that first we have a business as usual growth if we didn't do anything our energy consumption would rise our survey said at 15% in 5 years time so if 15 becomes 10 they should consider that we have done our duty we did it we built about 2 megaw of energy from our own government Investments and everybody is energized with the Cycles with the recycling with
• 129:30 - 130:00 planting trees with green verges with our oxygen work and a plethora of intervention that we did we have been able to uh achieve our Solar City criteria thank you very much Mr S I think wonderful initiative I I have a question for you but I save it after the speaker I hope the chair agrees with that U we now move over to Mr bries Sing
• 130:00 - 130:30 uh he is the person who gives us power in the city so he's the managing director generation of CSC limited Mr Singh has a a huge experience of over 37 years having worked in ntpc and Tata power so he brings a world of experience in power generation over to you Mr Sing for your observations good afternoon good
• 130:30 - 131:00 afternoon to all uh it's very enlighting session by Dr M very depth and insight regarding uh total requirement and need of the hours what is required today we need to think because what we think today is going to result give the result for tomorrow the need of the hours everyone is talking need zero the topic is very relevant thanks for iswm for organizing
• 131:00 - 131:30 such a wonderful discussion debate and the lecture by Dr matur there's a fact fact is that global warming is increasing and for all the initiatives which are taken worldwide it's a good news that the number of countries are taking the place is increased huge in last year but the reality is that the underp or the action plan is
• 131:30 - 132:00 not in place still there are number of talks is going on but outcome and result needs a lot of more holistic effort it need to address as a whole global economy because GDP is increasing very fast World economy is increasing and as Dr Mur has told the four category of the countries uh the developed country has a more or less fixed their energy consumptions the challenge is the
• 132:00 - 132:30 developing country and that out of this developing country India and China is the top most in the GDP gr and the 75% to 80% Power is coming from the fossil supp is fact and the transition is not so easy though government has taken a very challenging Target adding 500 gaw by 2030 re parently 85 GW by thermal because demand is increasing very fast
• 132:30 - 133:00 the GDP is around 8% the first time in the last four five years you see the rate of growth is increasing very fast the electricity demand and the growth will be the double digits more than double digits as India is going to be 20 2 47 developed country around $85 trillion economy the growth is huge and the on
• 133:00 - 133:30 the GDP increase the purchasing power of the individuals is going to be increased the total Market is going to be care economy care economy is looking after your need and requirements luxuries So Yesterday luy become the need today and that will totally increase the electric power consumption because your per capita electric power consumption is going to be multile we are hardly having 1200 to
• 133:30 - 134:00 1300 and average it should be more than 3500 average I'm not comparing to the developing country developed countries as Dr M was saying China has huge potentials and created a huge growth in the Solar renewable why not we that are the questions and Dr M explained but that required because the effort which is presently is going on the conventional
• 134:00 - 134:30 way is hardly give some output up to 2035 after 2035 whenever whatever the development required that will be done only possible by the pilot projects and the Prototype which are under developing then only some is looks achievable by 2050 or 2070 because the technology which you are currently having that will give the
• 134:30 - 135:00 outcome by 2035 or [Music] 204 so lot of R&D lot of huge investment on R&D is required the developed country has the huge investment R&D is going on continuously going on but that needs to be taken care by IND government by we by institutes industry should fund the institutes so that there should be a part which is happening in the developed countries because only the R&D and
• 135:00 - 135:30 technological Improvement is going to improve the performance control the emissions and Achieve The Net Zero Target for Net Zero suppose let us take the three main area where the N zero is required to address one is energy mobility and third is infrastructure energy sector we are going a very fast on renewable no doubt
• 135:30 - 136:00 uh before that just I am quoting I have last session also I have quot one of the best book I ever seen is elephant and cheah by Dr s mukarji from IM am amdavad it's address the different scenario of the markets in the losses site I was discussing that elephant cheah and the nominal losses which are creating the problem in cockroach but in development site suppose for the Net Zero we are discussing I'm taking using those metaphor El CH and honey be here the
• 136:00 - 136:30 honey bee is the addition because we are talking on developments this honey bee are sweetening the sweetening are the improvements in efficiency Improvement the performance but that cannot replace the food that will sweetening the food we need to address by cheah and elant cheah are the Renewables which are solar which are wind that is taking a jump and that government is targeting we are targeting but the concern is the elephants the elephants is the long-term
• 136:30 - 137:00 strategy how we are going to address how those strategy are making the steam line whether it's policy where a human behavior where the infrastructure these are elephants which are required to develop all around then only it's possible to achieve the target the policy we should ENC encourage is easily available as Mr s was telling on
• 137:00 - 137:30 solar power micro GDs why not we can use the policies the regulation regulations should be easy like Telcom Revolution when the Telcom started no one thought about the mobile was so so popular everything available on your tips that should require the power remember power solar or wind the power is achievable in such a way people can install the Solar without any hesitate whatever the power required they can use and rest they can share in
• 137:30 - 138:00 the GD those Concepts required they required a lot of improvement in the regulations and the policies so that individuals should encourage to install the solar then the requir one is the most important as Dr M also told is behavior behavior is the most important thing on the use of energy consumptions Vehicles cities are flooded
• 138:00 - 138:30 with the vehicles it be every individual that having been using single person one vehicle in the family three four vles are there pulling that thought required we have to come out from the both boundaries like status symbol that happens all Metro cities areed with the vehicle the evening time hours time you see the jam but the developed country they using it mostly they travel with the
• 138:30 - 139:00 services pulling metros bicycle they're using the cycling that not only gives your health but also to take care of the environment pollutions control Co has indicated the Improvement in the emissions the one and a half year there was a huge Improvement that indicates by the controlling the movement by controlling the mobility oil consumptions that will
• 139:00 - 139:30 going to improve that is possible only by changing the one the Improvement the performance of efficiency second is human are that is going to Great impact after 2035 and 2014 the focus should be given more on R&D as was telling that is on CC us carbon capturing next is hydrogen electrizer
• 139:30 - 140:00 Advanced batteries those are the areas those are technology that need to mature and then only it's possible to achieve the need need Zero by 2050 with the developed country and 2070 by the developing countries the challenge but this challenge is converted to opportunity a huge scope on the young Generations young leaders entrepreneurs like you because those are the areas where the lot of Works Improvement startups will
• 140:00 - 140:30 help to change the total thought process total to then there was after 10 years thought was started on super critical and the 660 megaw 17 number of fle was awarded to B then there again question there why not 800 there was a lot of discussion Mar is well knowing on 660 or 800 and finally first 800 megawatt put up by data power and cgpl mudra is imported
• 140:30 - 141:00 coal based and after this 800 megawatt is very popular all the unit are coming with 800 Mega only with the Indian pools so need is not to think out of a box but throw the Box you have to think boundaryless then only it's going to be possible to achieve the net zero by 2050 or 207 so my request my advice to all the
• 141:00 - 141:30 youngers who is sitting here the world is going very changed dramatically is going to be changed the technology the advanced tools the machine learning AI tools which are going to help and change the Improvement performance efficiency monitoring everything is going to be changed and there your initiative your Innovation is required so the targets taken for 0 by 2070 it looks whether it's real or reality but I
• 141:30 - 142:00 sure if everyone take the ownership and contribute it is going to be happen it is going to happen the only thing required each and everyone need to take the responsibility about their own role individuals as a community as a society as a country as a industry everyone need to contribute thanks thanks a lot for giving opportunity to speak with you thank you very much thank
• 142:00 - 142:30 you thank you P I think that that was a wonderful wonderful uh presentation or wonderful uh talk uh the way you laid out the pathways the analogy that you came up with and built on it I think is very very appropriate and and that's how it should be and uh what what you said makes eminent sense and the passion with which you said I think we will actually
• 142:30 - 143:00 see it as a reality thank you very much um the next panelist uh my friend promote J Mr promote Singh the chief business officer of India power he has been uh he plays a very important role in India power in shaping policies and best practices and uh taking India power to the next level so over to you promote G
• 143:00 - 143:30 for your observations thanks M thank you so much I must uh first uh like to thank is wpm to invite me here and you know I received an invitation from Professor Dr Agarwal and I must be you know I was very quite enthused to actually look at topic and all but uh 1 and a half hours into it and I have had more of my share of benefits that I have I've heard Dr marur so eloquently putting the whole uh
• 143:30 - 144:00 Net Zero and energy transition agenda before and so very patiently answering the question so that's one thing which I'm greatly kind of enthused about and it's always good to come back to academic institution and look at the enthusiasm and the future and we're talking about Net Zero 2070 and this is the Right audience in terms of uh the subject matter at hand because it's always a work in progress
• 144:00 - 144:30 and it's like a relay where the batt gets passed on from one to the other and as practitioner and as experienced professionals we have to only kind of enich our experience by learning and sharing with the with the the young you know generation and also so so uh be that as it may I let let me then you know resonate with what Dr marur did kind of set the agenda one is as a practitioner we should touch upon challenges and opportunities and to
• 144:30 - 145:00 start with I'll just break this Net Zero and and and rhetoric or reality first Net Zero how did it come out it gives me a sense of danger in a sense that around 7 years six seven years back a company actually got into this discussion of uh you know understand the nature of the beast in terms of what Net Zero means to utility like us so just to give you a brief introduction just in case uh you know people would not be knowing about India power we are Distribution Company
• 145:00 - 145:30 and we do Supply power to end consumers around 85% of our customers are actually Affiliated to hard to Abate sectors where the decarbonization kind of a uh you know Vector is very very prominent in terms of the need to actually look at uh things which which basically give them a more more amenable access to Market especially in the European countries and other where you are subjected to so much of policy and Regulatory bearings and to that extent it does help in terms of one small
• 145:30 - 146:00 incremental move that we make on energy transition about there so so coming back to start of our strategic session so one of the thing which came up was that we did had the kind of a tax taxonomy or in terms of our understanding of what Net Zero means and in in in the context of what we do to our customers and what what business we do so to that extent and that was the time when you know the solar power was 7 to 10 Rupees uh Dr Mur picked up
• 146:00 - 146:30 an you know Price Line was so very you know tempting in China discovery of sub award but but but that was a time when you know to bring it into into the energy mix of a Distribution Company uh was itself a tall order uh but we could get to a few hypothesis which we needed to test one clearly was we understood that uh that renewable as as as a pack
• 146:30 - 147:00 so one is so let's start with some of the things that we can do one is energy transition so so Net Zero could have many Pathways one of the pathway one of the good thing that we can do is in terms of embarking on any energy transition the other was also on Energy Efficiency and and you know getting getting you know the Baseline done in terms of a GSG accounting how much of green gas house gas we do Emit and most of the discounts today would be in the
• 147:00 - 147:30 starting point of actually measuring those if not already so so those were some of the things and in the energy trans at that point of time less than 1% of our power was from from renewable and as so basically couple of things that hypothesis was I was telling we got to actually uh you know kind of put together one is renewable maybe given that we are located in E region renewable to start with maybe in in
• 147:30 - 148:00 States and region which would have much higher kind of uh insulation level a CO Vector is called capacity utilization factor and to that extent uh we may require transmission lines and large you know cross country uh operators to actually bring the power from uh from there to where we are because a 1% efficiency in terms of a c of difference so we did a 2 megawatt distributed solar in our license India also in terms of that part but then we got
• 148:00 - 148:30 into uh uh signing contracts with say uh uh a renewable plant in Rajasthan for example that was a 100 megawatt plant to start with and you know to see the one so one was that and then you know you had enabling policy in which Dr M did allude to in terms of a Interstate transmission charges being waved off for reable power this was to kind of give that kind of
• 148:30 - 149:00 you know do away with that abration where Where Have and Have Nots are are equally treated when it comes to access to renewable energy and clean energy in the scale and the manner that we're talking about of you know solar parks and large large solar production that was one two also we realized that that that we have to electricity law physics you have to consume whereever whenever you have to generate but my learning colleague M Singh would on a thermal plan would still uh you know argue to
• 149:00 - 149:30 say that okay as long as it's a minimum you know kind of a cut off of 50 55 60 I can kind of uh you know do the load management to say that okay I'll operate at 90% at one point of time andless depending upon your demand and others so so to that extent uh uh uh to uh to that extent what we did was uh we did a wind solar hybrid which basically solar would have around 17 18%
• 149:30 - 150:00 sers this was one which we could get at at at at uh guaranteed 45% and it was basically a mix of wind in some location and solar and kind of made a hybrid power renewable though and having the isds newer on that part and so that was the the first trench of arrangement that we did as we move up the value ladder we did and you know in the in the earlier session there was a question on RTC
• 150:00 - 150:30 renewable so here we have then the second Arrangement where we have RTC reable and this time around the needle moved from 45 to 70% guaranteed cuf so basically 70% of a time you have to ensure that the renewable is available uh to the one who buys that power uh and and to that extent today from less than 1% we are today more than 65% in terms of our Renewable Power
• 150:30 - 151:00 being supplied to the customer in the overall mix we have a stated goal to reach at 80% in one and a half year so by end of 2026 we will be 85% uh and to that extent we have progressing moving on that I see a lot of enthusiasm being shared by some of our customers on this part and they are enablers in terms of getting green power separately so that they can kind of account it in the GG greenh house G so I see a some bit of full coming to customer also uh in that
• 151:00 - 151:30 now the challenges and these are something some of it we knew but frankly the amount of challenges that we are you know we have we have to surmount we are not even half done we have a lot of challenges uh and to that extent uh you know there are different ways and means in terms of interventions and I'm from a business side I would say that if if you kind of put it into various bucket it would be Market Le uh challenges uh it
• 151:30 - 152:00 would be Regulatory and policy Le it would be technology I just we bu in next 2 minutes on some of the challenges that we see and happy to kind of engage separately also in this part clearly one uh that though we said that we have hybrid and artist but yet what happens in IND context and especially the industrial load that you serve your load is something which unlike so renewable is a must-run plan so whatever contract
• 152:00 - 152:30 you sign on a on a longterm basis you have to whenever they generate you have to take it if it 70% 80% 90% you have to you can't say that my load is not there and to that extent a lot of balancing requirement is there which demand and supply and to that extent it put to a lot of stress has been the whole uh electrical Network and and opers the way today the power sector is
• 152:30 - 153:00 laid out 95% of our power AR and I'm I'm I'm giving you uh a statement from the fraternity of the power sector 90 95% is died into longterm so if I go out and say that I need a 100 Mega uh capacity will you give it so the answer would be yes but I would require a long-term 25 years contract and to that extent ABC now your demand
• 153:00 - 153:30 would change your your your your situation balancing Market would change today we have a very thin market so in India today just to give you a pointer in terms of what I'm talking where what I'm alluding to today more than 90% of Market is long you have a short window of what is called power exchange there are two power exchanges today in India and to that extent around 10% of your power or less than that is you can procure it through short term and to that extent largely largely you will
• 153:30 - 154:00 always find in in during the day Surplus power and during night deficit power and if if if demand Supply in a true point of inflection has to be seen you will see that at night you will have a power exchange discovering a price of 10 Rupees but unit because that's the maximum otherwise given the need it could climb up to 20 rupes per uh per unit and during daytime you will have
• 154:00 - 154:30 less than 2 rupees and I'm saying that in things to come in Europe and uh you know Advanced power Market is negative pricing so if you consume you get paid you buy you get paid for what you buy in terms of uh giving them the we don't have a contract for difference kind of a market where you can have capacity contract going so and I I don't want to sound esoteric here but I'm just saying that from Market side we see that you know what what was earlier India was grappling with the situation of managing
• 154:30 - 155:00 deficit in a sense that to meet both the ends in terms of Supply in demand uh now it is also about managing surpluses when it is and to that extent it has it own challenges and issues when it comes to uh uh this part also in terms of you know and and and Dr Mar did you know mention that terms in terms of batteries and storage so so to that extent given that
• 155:00 - 155:30 today the cost and though he talked about you know moving from 5 to 4 in terms of hydrogen and this part but but today uh in terms of getting the right economics done on battery with renewable is something which is which is a big challenge but I see that in terms of lithium ion and other in terms of their price this thing coming down and to the other extent maybe what was so 20 rupes some 10 years back and now 2 rupes or 50
• 155:30 - 156:00 rupes is something that so that would that would be one which will greatly help in terms of uh uh the the the the the the uh the situations and and and to that extent even on the policy and Regulatory uh side we see why we have greatly benefited I see this we talked about isds B so irrespective of where you generate renewable you can get power uh to any side of the country in terms
• 156:00 - 156:30 of using the transmission Network and the government has focused a lot on on creating the robust uh transmission infrastructure and and and to that but in terms of some of the issues related to renewable intermittencies demand side management looking at how do we uh Heat the deepend the load uh load response demand response side and other today in in in in the right Earnest the policy and regulations are at work where
• 156:30 - 157:00 consumer can participate alongside the Distribution Company in managing their load so so if you get paid if you can switch off your AC at one point of time where the load is very this thing is high in terms of uh demand and you can participate in cheaper power when the power is demand is low and you can participate demand response is one a market which is fling and that gets if it get it has a vector
• 157:00 - 157:30 to deeply get intersected with the type of challenges that we are talking about so so democratization of how we deal with energy uh is something and both ways so uh traditionally our network has actually you know worked one one way in terms of from a generator to uh supplier but that that's something that uh is is important and and and in terms of and I I just close on the on the on the opp
• 157:30 - 158:00 opportunity side as a company we share a lot of enthusiasm and optimism in terms of Net Zero we believe that uh you know we have been able to get there in terms of some of the challenges that was at hand we we are learning all the way we have Sops getting redefined and reconfigured in terms of how a control room of 247 has to work how a network engineer has to kind of respond to that and others but at the same time uh what is important is that the journey is is
• 158:00 - 158:30 there we have started measuring our greenhouse gas emission inventory and accounting so we have engaged with one of the big to help us on on on on doing that uh bra G talked about the the way the whole power sector has evolved both in terms of efficiency and Effectiveness I we you know the the the modern energy uh kind of uh system dates back to more
• 158:30 - 159:00 than 130 years now and to that extent earlier it was something where you had small Hydro or DG set serving one or two such uh uh you know places and others to moving to a large bit of P head plants and you know moving into into into sizes of uh uh from from 120 to uh 250 to 500 to 660 to 800 and all this is to look at efficiency which also is a very important ingredient in how we stack up
• 159:00 - 159:30 our thermal Fleet in terms of in terms of efficiency each has a moves the heat rate a bit in terms of the improvements and all but at the same time uh I must also uh point out and that that is something that we are looking and trying to basically learn more about is on the whole hydrogen piece which again is strongly aligns with the renewable bit and and uh if I look at it India I see it with some level of Despair that when
• 159:30 - 160:00 it comes to you know lithium iron for example the storage part of it or or for that matter the solar uh kind of wer and and silica we we kind of got into very late till the time you had capacity built elsewhere and our neighbors China was was you know something which was unbeatable and others but hydrogen is one area which we believe holds a lot of promise and uh and to that extent if we
• 160:00 - 160:30 do it right as a country it does help in terms of our energy Security in the energy access in terms of a uh Net Zero uh Journey today in terms of what it holds in terms of the potential so we have around five million tons perom of domestic consumption itself in terms of hydrogen being used in fertilizer and some of the some of the defin and other so large captive Market itself begging
• 160:30 - 161:00 for for for displacement CER power if the economics works out that way also in terms of the renewable PES of ultimately more than 60% would be other than the the catalyzer and otherz and other would be the renewable input and today we are a leader in this in terms of G20 countries and all so to that extent this part of the story and we are talking about the future potential of while we talking about
• 161:00 - 161:30 electrification of automobiles but one level above it in terms of how hydrogen based automobile so I suppose this is something where from a net importer of oil and gas we could be a net exporter of because those those important strategic Advantage Li with us and to that each of our sector participant Will I Know I Know M thank you so much sorry no no no no that was very insightful that was very insightful and
• 161:30 - 162:00 the point you made about democratizing use of energy demand response that's also something very interesting and the challenges with technology business and policy how how the three intersect how how the challenges emerge and how to take the challenges uh hands on and turn them into opportunities and P The Way Forward um over to the chair uh would you like to ask some
• 162:00 - 162:30 questions I I think time wise uh we can have 5 10 minutes 5 10 minutes yes I think it would be better if we ask some questions take some questions from the floor yes yes please yeah uh thank you sir for this nice panel discussions uh uh i' like to ask Mr Bing regarding one maybe maybe important question like do we have any plan on setting of power plant using GRE
• 162:30 - 163:00 hogen as a f uh green hyrogen fil is you know the recent topics and there a lot of uh government is also working on it and uh but uh being a commerciality it will take time still we are also exploring all which are in the market they are exploring this is the future green hydrogen but majority of the green
• 163:00 - 163:30 hydrogen technology and commercially cheap and available affordable it will take some any trials or no it's not because I think India government has taken some initiative greenen yeah has inititive they are providing also some draft policy is there uh we are in a discussion we are working on it but as you pilot project are good but as a major you can contributor for the electricity generation it will take time
• 163:30 - 164:00 it will take some time like ammonia aming was initiative to control the emissions it is in Pilot coal gasification coal gasification lot of work is going on still so these are the area that's why I have told uh what about the technology avilable and we are pushing for the near Z by 2035 it is okay but after 2035 these are the technology where they are in the pilot stage or the Prototype they need to be
• 164:00 - 164:30 converted into mature so that they can lead after 23 onwards to make the lead maybe some R&D or could have been taken with the research institution like maybe I University so maybe yeah that that may some plan got it thank you questions yes sir not a really not a question but I think you know uh I I manage one of the country's energy transition and I'm
• 164:30 - 165:00 really responsible for the uh entire country's energy transition for one in these discussions we have out actually taken out the hydrogen for power generation it is absur very strong word uh you are putting the renewable energy and you are put putting in the electrolyzer with the even the 70% efficiency which is highest a on an average 50% efficiency you lose 100 to 50 and then you have to invest in a gas T in engine which is 1.2 billion per
• 165:00 - 165:30 gwatt and you get a 35% to 60% efficiency whatever even if you do 60 into 70 over there you get a 40% efficiency you lose 60 and with the investment of the electrolyzer plus 1.2 so roughly 2 billion per what you have to invest and you get the amount plus I'm forgetting the number on the other hand you put in the storage you get 90% round efficiency you use it just forget about power I
• 165:30 - 166:00 mean green hydrogen in power that doesn't work okay may I allow twice in fact we from the academic world look for the opportunity of publishing papers that not actually go to the industry finally in the Practical use what from that perspective if I just take this issue the net zero is something dream we are we must dream
• 166:00 - 166:30 otherwise we cannot do something good also the aspect is there in the academic world I know there are lots of Publications in the area because this is a target is fixed path is not fixed so multiple options may be possible and that including not only the power sector the issue may be included in into the I mean lot of carbon emissions happen from the other aspects which has to be also taken care of this integrated model of making how much initiative in which particular uh aspect of the sector that
• 166:30 - 167:00 can be an really good academic exercise to do it and from that perspective 2017 I strongly believe at least I personally will not leave and the speakers will not expect it so this is an expectation that follow a better path for the future well said said for the future I I think you have concluded the session very
• 167:00 - 167:30 well and one specific question to Mr sh so one of the aspect actually I know that you are a bureaucrat and rather designed for the public interface so there are the people look that whether the West is collected from the shops or not but what happens to the those West finally that actually makes the S of the circular economy so I mean to that directions and another issue is coming to my mind is that's why the sustainable goal are 17 I mean one of filling up one
• 167:30 - 168:00 of the goals may affect the other goal and that creates a lot of problem in some of the cases bicycle routs undoubtedly it was required a very good example but unless the proper Law and Order is maintained bicycle may not be a physical option for local transport I think that was a comment so I don't have to say anything but yes I agree with you the legal frork must be there that's true so adding to this uh as I have told
• 168:00 - 168:30 the thought which is required for need z uh is one of the infrastructure the Smart City need to be designed in such a way so they going to take care of the bicycles my aim is that not existing because it's very difficult so whenever we are thinking for 207 longterm vision for smart city which are under dream they are we are considering all these aspects so there this input will be there to make the Smart City whatever
• 168:30 - 169:00 the area is M required that out of the city like Netherland uh you enter only by putting your vehicle outside and travel by ble only so keeping on that because they are the developed countries and we learned from them uh in thermal sector also we learn a lot from us an European country by two sft operation that two sft operation was never thought in India but now it's going to happen so don't the developing what they have faced
• 169:00 - 169:30 challenges and how they handle those challenges these are the learning for us thank you very much I suppose now we have draw the session to a close and my thanks and share thanks to I wbn for this wonderful opportunity given and I'm sure my fellow panelists and the esteem chair would agree has given us a great opportunity to be here and interact with all of you and the dear students thank you very much so that brings us to the close of the
• 169:30 - 170:00 [Applause] session application not s that is the that is the m IDE now I would like to call upon the stage Professor Dr BK CH Professor iswm to offer the formal vote of thanks
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• 170:30 - 171:00 [Music] my so good evening
• 171:00 - 171:30 everyone so
• 171:30 - 172:00 so on good evening on it is my proud privilege to honor uh you and deliver a vote of thanks on behalf of I wbm and uh it is I we extend our deepest gratitude to everyone who made this event a recing success uh so already a vot of thanks has been proposed so I would cut short and I would say that uh just the extra
• 172:00 - 172:30 part of that that we have uh with us in the panel discussion our esteemed uh speaker who of the D Memorial lecture his Excellency Dr aay matu so we again thank him for sharing in uh this uh panel discussion and uh that is very nicely uh a collaborated by s De a mukarji so our heartiest gratitude to
• 172:30 - 173:00 him as well now the four three panelists they have made a very nice presentation and opinion so just to summarize that s deasi s has highlighted the importance of sustainable urban planning and the role of educative awareness he mentioned as personal experience and implementation that he
• 173:00 - 173:30 has made in the smart Solar City that is of course our proud uh we are proud it is our pride and uh e cycle and many other examples s r Singh the managing director C C also has set some light on the Practical challenges of global warming and opportunities in decarbonizing the power generation system particularly in balancing the
• 173:30 - 174:00 demand and Supply such as the case of developing countries in particular uh with examples and emphasizing on solar to uh carbon capture and storage and behavior in particular s promot Singh of India power he has underscored the pivotal role of private sector Innovations uh accelerating the Innovations and green energy transition
• 174:00 - 174:30 with reference to solar wind hybrid system uh again from their own prototype uh practice they have demonstrated and so which may lead way uh for the Net Zero achievement so as a whole uh as the first uh that was the common good which was uh mentioned by Dr M that it is the need of the to find the ways and means
• 174:30 - 175:00 for common good inclusive growth so the H that was just played that also calls for the same in tune with that that is the everybody uh uh that s that is the H that is the May everybody be happy that is Su May everybody be free from illness May everybody see what is auspicious and
• 175:00 - 175:30 may no one suffer Om Shanti Shanti Shanti so with this message again everybody so all the stuff we also needs special mention for taking lot of p and the students of management they are in the behind they have done a lot of work and all the students
• 175:30 - 176:00 NBA and all the students Volunteers Of The Institute and staff faculty members it is a joint initiative and we hope that we make more such initiatives thank you very much and we wish that all the is we shall continue this dialogue and we shall take this forward [Applause] thank I request for a grp photo to our
• 176:00 - 176:30 director Vol and after that we have aranged high session at Student Activity Cent okay wait