ESTJ-ENTP Mistypes (INTP)

Summary

Highlights

• The misunderstanding of ESTJs as humorless authoritarians or ENTPs as the only inventive thinkers leads to mistyping. 📚
• Both ESTJs and ENTPs can seem spontaneous, yet their underlying motivations and approaches to life and projects differ drastically. 🔄
• ENTPs thrive on abstract exploration, distinguishing them from the more project-oriented ESTJs. 🚀
• The pressure of social expectations can lead young people to misidentify their personality types. 🌱
• When pushed by external change, ESTJs handle it better, despite ENTPs' adaptable image. 🌪️

Key Takeaways

• ESTJs and ENTPs are often mistyped due to their shared spontaneous and outgoing personas, yet they differ in structure and exploration in the long run. 🤔
• Common tests like 16 Personalities often confuse ESTJs and ENTPs, which adds to mistyping issues. 📊
• Social perceptions painted ESTJs negatively and ENTPs positively, influencing people's self-identification. 🎭
• Distinguishing between the types involves observing their approaches to interests, social interactions, and adaptability to change. 🔍
• ENTPs tend to explore concepts more abstractly, while ESTJs focus on tangible projects and structured progress. 🛠️

Overview

Chapters

• 00:00 - 00:30: Introduction The Introduction chapter explores the reasons behind common mistypes in personality typology, akin to a previous video on INTJ vs ISTP mistypes. While not a comprehensive guide, it aims to explain why mistypes occur and highlights the importance of understanding them. The chapter also acknowledges patrons and supporters, encouraging subscriptions for behind-the-scenes content.
• 00:30 - 02:00: Common Mistypes and Stereotypes This chapter discusses common mistypes and stereotypes associated with personality types. It highlights the similarities between certain types like INTJ and ISTP, suggesting a possible overlap. It aims to provide insights into identifying mistypes effectively.
• 02:00 - 04:00: ENFPs and Social Forms The chapter discusses the dynamics of ENFPs in social settings, particularly in relation to ESTJs and ENTPs. The focus is on avoiding stereotypes and emphasizes understanding personality types through long-term observations rather than isolated incidents. It suggests that Annie plays a central role in this context.
• 04:00 - 07:30: ESTJs and ENTPs: Social Strategies The chapter explores common stereotypes associated with ESTJ and ENTP personality types. ESTJs are often perceived as humorless, authoritarian, and bullyish, while ENTPs are seen as gregarious and inventive. However, the chapter argues that these perceptions are not entirely accurate when focusing solely on public behavior, describing both ESTJs and ENTPs as sharing gregarious and inventive traits. The narrative encourages a deeper understanding beyond superficial stereotypes.
• 07:30 - 10:30: Youth Typology and Identity Issues The chapter explores the concept of 'Youth Typology and Identity Issues,' focusing on personality types and how they relate to identity formation in young individuals. Specifically, it discusses the role of Extroverted Intuition (NE) and extroverted judging functions in different personality types such as ENTPs and ESTJs. These functions contribute to spontaneity and outside-the-box thinking, challenging popular stereotypes about these personality types. The text emphasizes how these traits manifest in charming personalities capable of adaptable thinking and behavior. Overall, the chapter delves into how these personality traits influence identity development and perception in youth.
• 10:30 - 16:30: Distinguishing Mistypes: Long-term Plans vs. Eccentric Interests This chapter discusses the tendency of people to confuse long-term plans with eccentric interests, particularly in the context of personality types like ENFPs. It explains that while some personality types might have a strong and visible function that aligns with social expectations or plans (such as TE in ENFPs), ENFPs themselves often find their FI more obvious, leading to a different social dynamic. The chapter emphasizes the unique social challenges and characteristics of ENFPs, especially regarding their tertiary TE, which can make these long-term planning distinctions less clear to others.
• 16:30 - 19:30: Source Material in Explanations This chapter discusses the challenges some individuals face in conforming to pre-existing social customs and roles. It focuses particularly on how people might inadvertently pigeonhole themselves into certain stereotypes such as the "manic pixie dream girl" or the "weird uncle." The content suggests that these roles are pre-defined, expected, and potentially stifling for those who struggle with traditional social norms.
• 19:30 - 22:00: Private Conversations: Setting the Tone The chapter delves into the characteristics of ENFPs, highlighting their iconoclastic nature. Although ENFPs are considered hard to categorize due to their unique traits, this very uniqueness paradoxically makes them easier to identify and classify, thus preventing mistyping issues. The chapter suggests that despite their unusual characteristics, ENFPs have a distinct and identifiable pattern.

ESTJ-ENTP Mistypes (INTP) Transcription

• 00:00 - 00:30 What's going on, boys? Thanks to our patrons and Fiverr customers. Subscribe to our Patreon free for behind the scenes stuff. Arm yourselves typology stuff in the same way we did the INTJ ISTP mistype video. This is not a comprehensive how for sure to distinguish mistypes guide. This is more why the mistype exists, why it's so
• 00:30 - 01:00 common, and then some points to help distinguish mistypes. Now, I think this mistype is common for a few reasons, and it is similar to the ISTP INTJ mistype thing. Maybe there's some weird overlap there with INTJs and ISTPs. Part of it has to do with Ni and
• 01:00 - 01:30 with ESTJs and ENTPs. I feel confident Annie is the crux of it. Add on to that the way people usually type people, which is to say one or two isolated incidents of some flavor of behavior rather than looking at their functions in the long term and in private. I think the first mistake is stereotyping. When people
• 01:30 - 02:00 think ESTJ, they think humorless, authoritarian, mean, bullyish. And when they think ENTP, they think gregarious and inventive. When in reality, if you're analyzing only their public behavior, particularly not looking at the bigger picture, both types are gregarious and inventive. With both types, it's a
• 02:00 - 02:30 consequence of strong NE. With ENTPs, it's dominant NE. With ESTJs, it's tertiary NE. And strong extroverted judging functions. They're both spontaneous. They are both contrary to popular stereotyping, outside the box thinkers. At least they can be on the fly. And they're both usually rather charming when their feet are all the way down on
• 02:30 - 03:00 the accelerator of socializing. And why are ENFPs not part of this mistype issue? Because on this front, ENFPs are at a double loss. ENFPs are going to make their FI very obvious. And although TE can be socially adept in its own way, with ENFPs, TE is tertiary. So ENFPs are
• 03:00 - 03:30 less likely to have a strong command over TE social custom or social form and instead fall into the or or place themselves into the ENFP pigeon hole, the whole manic pixie dream girl or weird uncle thing. Because those social forms, those social roles, those social customs are pre-built, expected, and
• 03:30 - 04:00 accepted. They work for them, so they do them. It's funny, as iconoclastic as we're supposed to view ENFPs, they're all iconoclasts. They're they're supposed to be hard to categorize and that actually makes them very easy to categorize and keeps them out of this mistyping issue. With ESTJs,
• 04:00 - 04:30 their FI is inferior. So they're hiding it or they're not dealing with it, which makes it harder to pick up on when they are performing or when you're looking at them only in collections of incidents rather than them over the long term. And with ENTPs, they don't have FI. And because they have tertiary FE, they can work these social customs even though they aren't necessarily built to do
• 04:30 - 05:00 them. In other words, when an ESTJ and an ENTP are doing the gregarious social person thing, they look very similar because they're using the same strategies. And that leads us into the next point in typology circles. ESTJs have a terrible public image. And that's not really their fault. It's the fault of the
• 05:00 - 05:30 ways people use typology popularly. These are the things I like or I think I like. Those are the things I don't like or think I don't like. Not how do people operate. So people look at an ESTJ's four letters and slot everybody they don't like into that category. It's it's always either them or ESTPs. I don't like people I think are
• 05:30 - 06:00 loud, stupid, soulless, and either authoritarian or reckless. So you're an ESTJ or an ESTP. And again, that's not the way typology works, but that's the way Joe [ __ ] uses it. And maybe in the long term that's a good thing because it keeps people away from typology. But anyway, you combine that negative image with the way any
• 06:00 - 06:30 seems to present on or in most type tests. for example, 16 personalities, the most common tests somebody is going to take if they want to figure out their type without looking any deeper. That test confuses ENTPs and ESTJs regularly. And then even on venerated saconurva, any has a tendency to get a little over
• 06:30 - 07:00 represented even if it's not there. That's really the only issue I have with that test. and then combine what ESTJs and ENTPs are into that formula. Dominant NE or tertiary NE, which is tertiary functions are always going to look higher or present powerfully because people love their tertiary functions. And then you end up
• 07:00 - 07:30 with the test mistypes. And between the mistypes, I think it's more common to see ESTJs mistype as ENTPs rather than vice versa. Still happens, but not as much in my experience. But that's where that negative public image comes in. Because once people get their types or maybe they're a little confused, so they start looking at what people have to say. There is so much nasty [ __ ] said about
• 07:30 - 08:00 ESTJs, stereotyped about ESTJs. So if there is any possibility for people to lean toward the cool one or at least the not awful one, they're going to do that. And then youth typology makes it even worse. What can't dumb [ __ ] kids make worse? I don't think people should [ __ ] around with typology until they are at least
• 08:00 - 08:30 21. 18 at the very earliest. And I say this not because you can't do typology young, but because you're introducing dumb young [ __ ] into the equation, which is going to confuse everything. Namely, identity issues. If you're young, you don't know who you are, but well,
• 08:30 - 09:00 ironically, that's when you most want to be perceived as somebody. Inferior Fi makes that even worse on the ESTJ's side. You're insecure because you don't know who you are, or you think you know who you are, but you don't. So, you try very hard to pretend to be something you aren't, hoping that's going to be what you are, rather than investigating yourself and figuring out who you actually are, which will happen
• 09:00 - 09:30 inevitably, painfully, takes some time. And then with ENTPs and their tertiary FE, they want a lot of attention, but they aren't going to get a lot of attention unless they present a solid, interesting identity for others to be in awe of. It's hard to rake in attention when you're blending
• 09:30 - 10:00 with everybody else. So you not for well it is for insecurity issues but not for the same insecurity issues as with ESTJs. You're going to latch on to an image people seem to like in hopes people will like you too if you can trick them into believing you are that thing. Also fortunately for both of you to the same extent ESTJs are negatively stereotyped ENTPs are positively stereotyped. So for the
• 10:00 - 10:30 ESTJs, here is this interesting identity you can try to take solace in. For actual ENTPs, here is this grossly misrepresented but popular version of you that you can pretend to be for the attention you want. So you get waves of people saying they are ENTPs, all acting, edgy, overacting, and adding to this
• 10:30 - 11:00 interference, making actual work that much more difficult to do. Now, let's step into some ways to distinguish these mistypes. ESTJs are spontaneous and gregarious, mostly socially or only sometimes. They might have a lot of little [ __ ] going on, but when you look at their lives in the long term or in
• 11:00 - 11:30 the big picture, they usually have a plan and it is much less mundane than the persona they show people. think the class clown who is well-liked by everybody but and this is in high school but they are diligent in their studies and their goal is to become a doctor and they have those steps for the most part worked out versus ENTPs in my experience they are living
• 11:30 - 12:00 life like they're drunk driving same persona as the ESTJ same public perception fun interesting wellliked. But where behind the scenes the ESTJ is diligent and moving forward step after step, the ENTP is [ __ ] up and [ __ ] up. Not always, but even when they have plans, they are usually not mundane, typical, or easy to chart
• 12:00 - 12:30 out. And that's another little joke these two types live. Which type do you think deals with sudden forced massive life change better? It's ESTJs. You would think ENTPs would be able to adjust to these huge sudden forest changes easier because they look like
• 12:30 - 13:00 clouds, but these instances hurt them, at least in my experience, worse than they hurt ESTJs. And it's not even close. And that's odd because when it's voluntary, when it's a decision, ENTPs are going to be making the larger decisions more often. But when it's forced, that [ __ ] up ENTPs, and it doesn't [ __ ] up ESTJs as much. And then we come to the
• 13:00 - 13:30 distinguishing eccentricities of both types. ESTJs and ENTPs both are going to have a lot of [ __ ] going on. And once again, if you're just looking at the personas they show you, they're going to look similar or sound similar rather. But in distinguishing these types and all the little [ __ ] they get into, you need to look at what they crowd their
• 13:30 - 14:00 lives with. An ESTJ's life is going to be crowded with a bunch of stuff. Classes they attend, not necessarily school classes. I mean like martial arts or what have you projects they are working on momentos from their past stuff stuff you can see and probably touch or watch them do with ENTPs it's different their lives will be crowded with fields of interest what do they
• 14:00 - 14:30 know and how are they expanding what they know what are they interested in what are they cur curious about. And if their lives are crowded with stuff, they're less going to be projects and things and momentos. Not to say they don't keep momentos, but more vehicles that help them explore their fields of interest. These are
• 14:30 - 15:00 tools to get them where they want to be in an abstract sense, not projects or little fortresses. Fortresses of stuff. Examples. An eccentricitycoded ESTJ is probably going to have a blacksmithing forge they built themselves and a small collection of knives they made they can show you. or they'll show you their workstation
• 15:00 - 15:30 for cardboard armor they are trying to perfect. Not for hurting each other, but just because it's cool, which is another thing people think TE doesn't do anything just because it's cool. That's all TE does. It does everything because it's cool, which then they try to sell or do something with. An ENTP is more likely to have a really nice quality telescope that they want you to look
• 15:30 - 16:00 through so they can then tell you about planets or constellations or some [ __ ] or they'll have some really good topic playlists they can share with you. All four of those things, those examples sound very similar. If you are thinking typologically as if ENTP means eccentric and ESTJ means boring, and that's not the case. Both types are highly
• 16:00 - 16:30 eccentric. It's all a matter of what kind of eccentricity and how does that eccentricity play out or evolve over the long term. ENTPs will be all over the place. ESTJs will appear to be all over the place, but won't be if you look at them and measure them over however many years. And two more points here. both types
• 16:30 - 17:00 trying to explain something to you. The ESTJ when trying to explain something to you will want to show you something or give you something. They're very source material oriented or they'll try to present their anecdotes as source materials and that's a product of SI and TE. But with ENTPs, when they're trying to explain something to you, they're
• 17:00 - 17:30 tricky because this is another bit of that overlap shared strategies thing. Hard to notice if you're looking at only one incident. And I just noticed I normally use the word instance to describe instances, but with ESTJs and ENTPs, I unconsciously felt compelled to change instances to incidents. Anyway, an ENTP will usually start with a source
• 17:30 - 18:00 or work from a source material, I think, because it's expected of them, but then they will move into a completely different direction. And during my most recent mental clarity piss, which was just a moment ago, I think I worked out the way this distinction works. For TI, a source is something that helps make a point. for TE a source is the point which is a
• 18:00 - 18:30 really weird thing to stumble into right now thinking back why were TI English papers or articles and TE English papers or articles so different maybe TE is trying to work out the meaning of what is or what it means that this is the thing whereas TI is trying to take what is and go in a completely different direction, build a
• 18:30 - 19:00 new thing, not thinking about the implication of what is, but trying to figure out what could be. While FI types are trying to work all this [ __ ] out or work out what's in front of them, tangent, unrelated. We'll need to figure that out another time. Anyway, when explanation or lecture time rolls around, ESTJs will work within sources, within dogmas, maybe try to rework them
• 19:00 - 19:30 into something more efficient, whereas ENTPs will start with a source or with a dogma and then jump into a cloud. And then the last little distinguisher I've noticed, which this is less strictly for ESTJs and ENTPs and more something I'm noticing about extroverts in general with opposing extroverted judging functions. We're still in socialization land, but
• 19:30 - 20:00 let's step away from crowds and personas and move into private conversations, one-on- ones away from everybody. I've noticed, at least at first, TE will try to move a one-on-one into acceptable rings of conversation. what is acceptable to be discussed first. Now, TE types can and will get
• 20:00 - 20:30 real weird with it later, but their first instinct is to try to stay within the known or move people to what's within the known. Whereas in these one-on- ones, FE types are more inclined to let the other person set the tone. Because that's another thing I've noticed. Online, ENTPs are obnoxious, but in person,
• 20:30 - 21:00 ENTPs are a lot less forward and argumentative and even gregarious than they would like you to think they are. even if they aren't aware of typology. One-on-one ENTPs, in my experience, tend to be rather mellow, whereas ESTJs one-on-one are a bit odd because they're trying to figure out or they're trying to they are trying to build an
• 21:00 - 21:30 acceptable interaction between you two. and at least for me is 90p. I'm trying to figure out what you're about. So this whole I understand it's well-intentioned, but also it obscures what you are to my eyes because you're trying to do something socially acceptable and I'm not interested in socially acceptable. I'm interested in figuring out what you are. But once you
• 21:30 - 22:00 synchronize or if you're able to synchronize, ESTJs are very easy to get along with and there's a momentum with them. Versus with ENTPs, again, very mellow, not difficult to get along with, but we really don't go anywhere and more likely we're going to start annoying each other if we stay in this aimless mellow space for too long. So, that's another thing to pay attention to when you are distinguishing these
• 22:00 - 22:30 mistypes. If you get them one-on-one, who's setting the tone or who's watching for you to set the tone? Like if you enjoyed, subscribe if you haven't.