Is the Media Altering Our Perception of Crime? | Spiraling
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Summary
The documentary by VICE examines how media's portrayal of crime may be altering public perception. Through a night of following crime stringers and engaging with local communities and police in cities like New York and Cleveland, the film highlights the significant gap between fear-inducing media narratives and on-the-ground realities. It explores the role of local news, crime apps, and community-led initiatives in shaping societal views, attempting to unravel the spiral of crime reporting and public fear.
Highlights
Following crime stringers reveals the constant, often overblown, feed of crime news. 📡
Crime apps like Citizen amplify the sense that crime is rampant, vibrating incidents right into users' pockets. 📱
Drama in media often overshadows the reality, promoting fear over factual understanding. 🎭
Community-driven initiatives like New Era Cleveland showcase crime prevention from within, fostering accountability. 👥
Police face challenges balancing reform with public safety in controversial climates post-George Floyd. 👮♀️
Programs like BIVO in Brownsville emphasize healing and community support over punitive measures. 🌿
Key Takeaways
The media can warp public perception of crime, creating an exaggerated sense of danger. 📰
Stringers feed the 24/7 crime news cycle, often prioritizing sensational stories. 🎥
Community-led patrols offer alternative models of safety without relying heavily on police presence. 🤝
Social issues like poverty and systemic disenfranchisement contribute to crime, beyond media influence. 📉
There's a cultural fascination with crime, evident in the popularity of crime shows and podcasts. 🎧
Constructive storytelling in media could reshape perceptions and reduce fear. 📚
Overview
Walking through the gritty streets of New York with crime stringers is like being on a never-ending rollercoaster of police radios and sirens. The constant hunt for the latest scoop feels a bit like chasing shadows in a city that never sleeps, where everyone seems just moments away from a headline-grabbing incident. But, as thrilling as it sounds, it begs the question: is this nightlife highlight reel the reality or just a skewed glimpse through sensationalism-tinted glasses? 📺
Turning from the bright city lights, we dive into neighborhoods shaped by their own stories of resilience. In Cleveland's Central neighborhood, organizations like New Era Cleveland reject the urge for sensationalism, opting instead for unity and strength through local patrols. Armed with the resolve of their community, they're reshaping narratives block by block. Their approach underscores the idea that local empowerment could be more protective than an over-reliance on police. ✊
In the heart of dangerous misconceptions lies the media's penchant for crime drama. As crime shows thrive on fictionalized violence, real-world problems remain, highlighting a need for balance. The longing for entertainment shouldn't come at the cost of truth. Perhaps if media storytelling leaned towards hope and growth rather than fear, we could rewrite societal perspectives, showing crime not as inevitable but as something to understand and overcome. 📖
Chapters
00:00 - 03:00: Media Influence on Crime Perception The chapter delves into how media coverage, especially crime reportage, shapes public perceptions of safety and crime realities within a city. Through an exhilarating and intense narrative set in the streets of New York City, the chapter illustrates how constant exposure to crime via media, such as police scanners, can lead to a distorted view of the city's state, making it seem as if chaos reigns perpetually. It reflects on how people who rely heavily on media may believe that violence and disorder are more rampant than statistical reality, thus influencing how they perceive safety and crime on a personal level.
03:00 - 08:00: Personal Experience with Crime Coverage The chapter discusses the impact of sensationalist headlines on public perception of crime. It begins with an inquiry about safety, as voices describe a high-risk location, prompting fear. The narrative shifts to how dramatic headlines, such as those about fertility crises, monoliths, and gun taxes, distort reality and potentially elevate anxiety among individuals.
08:00 - 13:00: Stringers and Local Journalism The chapter explores the perceptions and realities of crime rates in the United States. It highlights a common belief that crime has increased over recent years, with a specific mention of the significant rise in murder rates by 30% in 2020 – the largest annual increase recorded. However, this perception is contrasted with data suggesting that overall crime is actually decreasing, creating a complex narrative around crime statistics and public sentiment.
13:00 - 18:00: Community Impact and Responses The chapter discusses how crime reporting and perception can be confusing, with overall crime rates having dropped over the past three decades but homicides seeing a sharp increase between 2019 and 2020 according to the FBI's Uniform Crime Report. The narrative also touches upon how mobile apps like Citizen create a feeling of constant alert by providing real-time crime updates, influencing public perception and awareness about crime. The chapter describes an individual's decision to engage with these updates actively.
18:00 - 23:00: Police Perspectives and Reforms The chapter delves into the digital transformation of neighborhood watch programs through apps like Vigilante, which is now known as Citizen. Initially designed to serve as a virtual neighborhood watch, Citizen has evolved into a platform where users can report a wide range of incidents, from kitchen fires to unverified gas odors.
23:00 - 28:00: Community-Led Solutions A chapter focusing on community-led solutions to local issues, where the transcript describes various minor crimes and disturbances in a neighborhood, such as strange odors, traffic violations, public intoxication, littering, and aggressive animal behavior.
28:00 - 32:00: Rethinking Crime Narratives The chapter explores the world of freelance journalism, particularly focusing on 'stringers' who use apps to find breaking stories. Their content is sold to news outlets to enhance media coverage. A case study is presented through a meeting with Oliya, a journalist and operator of a freelance network called Freedom News TV. Initially, her work involved covering crime, fires, and accidents, specifically focusing on spot news.
Is the Media Altering Our Perception of Crime? | Spiraling Transcription
00:00 - 00:30 -All right, we got no further
units. We're all clear. -We're headed to a shooting
in the Bronx. We got one bullet casing
right here so far. -Oh, shit,
they broke the window. -If you live your life just
listening to this scanner, you'd think that the whole city
is just like burning on fire. -Watch out!
[ Siren wailing ] -The [bleep], man? -We are driving
through the streets of New York right now
looking for crime. I'm not afraid.
No, no. No, no, no, I'm not afraid
of this crime. -Yo.
-They broke my window! -Oh, shit. Let me go.
00:30 - 01:00 -What's going on outside?
Should I be concerned? -Yo. Get off me.
Yo. Calm down, calm down. Where are we going? -How y'all feel?
-Powerful. -We in Brownsville.
High traffic area. Dangerous. -That's alright.
Don't get scared. -Am I afraid? Coming to you now right
into your pocket. -Are doomsday preppers right? -The brink of a worldwide
fertility crisis. -Mysterious monoliths have been
appearing... -Gun taxes...
-Could they be sinister? -As clickbait headlines warp
our view of the world,
01:00 - 01:30 I'm spiraling down the rabbit
hole looking for the truth. On this episode, crime. -Nearly three quarters of the US
think that crime in America is worse now than
it was a year ago. -Murder rates soared in 2020, up 30 percent,
the largest increase ever. -While conventional and
anecdotal wisdom seemed to indicate that overall
crime has been on the rise, the data actually shows
that it's gone down.
01:30 - 02:00 -I've been hearing a lot about
crime in the news these days, but it's been somewhat
confusing. Is it up? Is it down? While overall crime
has been dropping for almost three decades, the FBI's Uniform Crime
Report from September showed that homicides increased
by nearly 30 percent between 2019 and 2020. Truthfully,
I'm a little unsurprised. With apps like Citizen
on my phone, I feel like I have the crime
of the streets constantly vibrating
right into my pocket. I was allured to
the accessibility of this crime, so I decided to actively
follow it for a night. Any crimes over here?
02:00 - 02:30 I'm here to report.
Have no fear. I'm not afraid. And while the app,
originally called Vigilante, was meant to be some sort
of virtual neighborhood watch, it's now become
a place to report, well, anything. Report of a kitchen fire,
unconfirmed gas odor. Very visual. And while I've received a
constant stream of innocuous incidents, I wondered
what it would be like if local news covered
every event the way Citizen did. I sit on a sheet.
Okay. In two, one... We're here
at the scene of the crime
02:30 - 03:00 where a strange odor
has been smelled. Could be gas. That's coming up next, vibrating
right into your pocket. That person didn't stop.
Rolled through the stop sign. Crime. I'm in a hopping part
of your town where there have been reports
of public intoxication. Somebody's smoking within
20 feet of a door. Crime. I'm in a park
in your neighborhood. And before,
there were reports of two men shouting
at each other. Ooh. Littering. Crime. I'm in that dimly lit part
of your neighborhood where behind me, there have been
reports of a vicious raccoon.
03:00 - 03:30 Now,
I would go ahead and stay inside because there have been many --
Oh, shit! In all, fairness to the app, freelance journalists,
known as stringers, use it to find breaking stories. The content they produce
is then bought by news outlets to maximize their outputs. I met up with Oliya, who in addition to being
a journalist herself, operates a network
of freelancers known as Freedom News TV. What are you going
after generally? -When I started, I was mostly
filming crime, fires, accidents, like breaking spot
news kind of thing.
03:30 - 04:00 Then pandemic happened. So everything changed,
obviously. -That's interesting.
The pandemic kind of shifted your focus a little bit. Right, because nobody was
talking about crime. Like, it was still happening, but it wouldn't
make it to the TV. -Mm.
And what's happened now? -And now it's back to the crime. We're at one point, it's as
if everybody just woke up and started shooting everywhere, and it sometimes just happens.
You know, it's quiet, and then suddenly it's like,
shooting there, there, there. -So is that what you prioritize or is that what's, like,
actually out there? -We try to cover everything, like
as much as we possibly can.
04:00 - 04:30 -Are there certain pieces
that your clients want more than other pieces? -Yes, for sure. I mean,
certain things we send out don't even get opened,
or they get opened, but they don't really
view the videos. -What doesn't do very well? -Things that aren't lethal,
fatal, fires
that don't have injuries. -Can you show us a video
that did really well? We get so many videos
per day. -And a lot of these
are shooting videos, yeah? -Yes.
-"Double shooting in Newark. Two victims
in critical condition." "Man shot while sitting in
Lamborghini in Upper West Side."
04:30 - 05:00 See, now that's
a pretty good story. "Man shot in Lamborghini." Oliya arranged for me to hang
with one of her freelancers for the night. I met Dakota in Williamsburg
as he flipped through the police radio channels
looking for crimes to report on. -This is my highway.
This is anything that's, like, you know,
on the highways or if, like, there's going to be
a collision investigation, somebody dies, or is about,
you know, is close to dying. -I want you to be able to pick
up this obstruction in the highway. -Is this maddening to you? I'm already, like,
losing my mind.
05:00 - 05:30 I've been here
about two minutes, man. -At first it was just
like, ah, everything is going on. I don't know which one's
talking, which ones you lower, which one
you put up, you know? But then after a while,
you figure out by learning the codes
and whatnot. If you live your life
just listening to this scanner, you'd think that the whole
city's just, like, burning on fire. But it's really just
a lot of robberies, you know, gunplay and robberies, knifepoint robberies, or just
like strong armed robberies. And then you have your every now
and then bomb threats and then shooting most nights
now.
05:30 - 06:00 -You say the shooting's
most nights now? -Yeah, almost nightly. -While I expected us
to have a humdinger of a night, it was pretty uneventful. -You got something?
-I don't know. I think, but... -You want to check it out?
Let's do it. -Oh, no.
I didn't -- The thing is,
I missed what it was. -Shots fired.
All units, 10-4. -Alright, it's sounding
pretty okay over there. -Well, the truth is,
we didn't see anything. And just like Dakota having
nothing to show his clients,
06:00 - 06:30 we had nothing to show for
this scene in this documentary. So we hung out
on a Friday night with Dakota's colleague, Danny. -This is my main radio. I go through this until
when I hear something on SOD. This is also a main radio. This is gonna be my transit
radio. It's off right now, but this is the citywide
channel. So, citywide... -Wow, man, look at Radio Shack.
We got Radio Car here. We hung out with Dakota.
We didn't see anything. It's like, for me,
to make this scene work, you know,
we need to see some action. I'd love to see a fire love
to see some flashing lights.
06:30 - 07:00 And then they say these things
or think these things, and then I feel so disgusting
when I think about it, but it also like, it's what
we need to, like, tell the story. And then we saw some shit. -We're headed to a shooting
in the Bronx, where a guy is reported
to be shot in the buttocks. So we'll see what it looks like
when we get there. -What are they looking for?
Casings? -Yeah, right now, they're
looking for bullet casings. We got one bullet casing
right here so far. Crowd control. Let's go.
-Okay.
07:00 - 07:30 We're on the go. -Alright, we got no further
units. Is everyone clear? No further units, okay? -Fire on McGovern.
-Fire on McGovern. We got to be careful here. Cops are coming at all angles.
Hang tight. Don't get scared. Look, look, look, look. -Holy shit. -If you have to run,
we run to the car, okay? -Okay. Okay.
07:30 - 08:00 -So just don't look back.
-Okay. -Yo, the guy with the dreads. Cool your heels. -They got air mail.
Air mail. They're throwing stuff.
Let's get back up. -All right, so I guess somebody
got maced by the cops, and then there's just been a lot
of commotion against the cops. Now they're throwing eggs
from the roof against the cop cars. Oh man, they are going... Oh, shit, they broke the window.
08:00 - 08:30 What the fuck?
-They're going there. -They broke a window and are
doing, like, a SWAT operation for throwing eggs at a car? -Yeah. Watch your back. -They break the door, which actually makes
the whole building less safe for everybody else,
because if, like, I don't know, in what
my opinion is, like, some teenage
fucking petty shit, you know, throwing eggs at cops. It's like -- -Watch out!
[ Siren wailing ] -Fuck, man I'm going to make the news,
getting run over by the cops.
08:30 - 09:00 -It's hard to see it, but this
guy is gonna jack this car. -Oh, yo. -Yo.
-They broke my window! -Oh, shit. Let me go.
-What happened? Did somebody just
bash his window? -That's what he said. So he's breaking
everybody else's window. -Jeez. -He has something
in his hand. I wasn't going to
stop and talk to him. Let's get the hell out of here. -It must've, like,
spun off the road, right? -Yeah, man.
09:00 - 09:30 -So it's after 2:30 here
in the Bronx. We spent the evening
with a stringer, Danny, and he's been listening
to police scanners all night. And so we followed him
as he filmed the aftermath of a robbery,
two different shootings, some sort of crowd activity,
and a car accident. This all in one night that
he's out reporting. It's a lot to handle. While I had gone
into this project with the desire to see crime, I'd reached my breaking point
with my voyeurism.
09:30 - 10:00 And I started to feel guilty
about my intentions. Why did I find it so eerily
interesting to look for crime? And then I started to think
about how much of our culture is based on crime. How many TV shows
do we have about crime? How many movies?
My gosh, how many podcasts? -This is not like
a brand new thing, but I must say I think
this fascination with crime has gone into overdrive
in American culture. -I talked to Jeffrey McCall
about how we absorb all this crime. Where it's worst, I think,
frankly, local news affiliates in every market
around the country
10:00 - 10:30 obsess over crime
a lot, number one, because there's
a steady supply of it. Number two, it doesn't take
a lot of enterprise journalism to cover crime. You just show up
on the scene of a crime and you talk about
what happened. I must say that I think
that the audiences do have an interest in crime news, and I think that
there is a certain amount of if it bleeds, it leads. We're giving the audience
what it wants. -I wanted to get a more
humanistic understanding of
10:30 - 11:00 how crime affects communities. So I traveled to Cleveland's
Central neighborhood, where the crime rate
is 240 percent higher than the national average. -Welcome to Cleveland. -Thank you, thank you. This is New Era Cleveland, a chapter of the global activist
network New Era Nation, and tonight, they're going on
an armed patrol through the neighborhood. -Black men,
your ace needs you! -Black men, your race
needs you! -So today is our
Streets is Watching Community Patrol Program. And so what we do
is we walk the community,
11:00 - 11:30 we interact with our people
and serve as a deterrent for any wrongdoings in the community
while we're out here, at least. -And you're armed as well?
-Correct, yeah. -Whose streets?
-Our streets! -Whose streets?
-Our streets! -Our mission is self-reliance and combating the many issues
that face our community. -All power to the people!
-All power to the people! -There's been a bit of
a gun violence problem here as well, right? -"A bit of"
is an understatement. -Well, tell me about what's been
going on. -So many shootings and murders
and things,
11:30 - 12:00 that it's hard to keep count. -What in your mind, like,
causes this kind of poverty, this kind of crime?
What happens? -Well, it's a systemic --
-White supremacy. -It's on purpose.
-Yeah, yeah, yeah. Once you get wrapped up in this
system, it's not designed for you
to get out and thrive. So a child that's growing up
in this environment, you know, the ceiling's busted
so tall. -What kind of power y'all got?
-Black power! -What kind of love y'all got?
-Black love! -Do you think I need these?
Are these gonna make me look like an asshole?
Like...
12:00 - 12:30 -This is a press bulletproof
vest? -Yeah.
I mean, I just don't know. I mean, we already look like
targets with cameras. I'd just be like,
"Hey, look, we're press walking
through this neighborhood." -You say no? Okay. -Alright, we about to pray.
Y'all good? Now, God, we pray that you would
go before us and prepare the way. Protect us. Keep us from any
hurt, harm, or danger, that no incident
will occur, O God, and that we shall be effective
in this community, O God, to show the love that we have
for our people, O God, and that no weapon
that's formed against us
12:30 - 13:00 shall be able to prosper.
In Jesus' name. Amen. -Amen, -New Era, Era!
New Era, Era, Era! -New Era, Era!
New Era, Era, Era! -How y'all feel?
-Powerful. -How y'all feel?
-Powerful. -How y'all feel?
-Powerful. -What kind of power y'all got?
-Black power! -What kind of love y'all got?
-Black love! -Peace, peace.
How y'all doing today? What's up, y'all? United race.
-United race. -A mighty race.
-A mighty race. -New Era!
-Cleveland! -And it don't stop!
-It don't stop!
13:00 - 13:30 -Everything goes on, right,
in this proximity. A lot of drugs, man.
It's all right here. So yeah, we occupy this place
because we can. -Okay.
-And as you can see, it's clearing out.
-It's has cleared out. When we walking through -- -Chris K., how you doing,
brother? What's going on? Good, brother.
-Through that community, there is a group
hanging out outside and I saw them go inside. You think that they were
doing something they probably shouldn't have been doing
outside or... -No, I don't think it's that. I think that a lot of people,
13:30 - 14:00 when we come through,
it's more like a respect thing. So it's kind of like
our presence instantly makes people
hold themselves accountable. Like, we didn't even have to say
anything to them kids. They know.
It's late as hell. You got school tomorrow.
Why are you right here? -They just left.
They saw you guys coming and they left. You guys as a group,
I get, but what about the rifles? Do you think that the rifles
are necessary? -They're the same guns that are
out here on the streets. -So by you guys having them,
you show that like, you're not outgunned,
you're not outnumbered. -Absolutely. Absolutely.
14:00 - 14:30 -On TV, there's so many
crime shows, right? There's "Cops", "Law & Order". What do you think
the media's fault is in furthering these
cultural stereotypes? -There are narratives that are
created just for a good story. Doesn't really matter
what the truth is, what's going to sound good on a newscast in the evening
and things of that nature? So it's a huge part
how we train, because for those who don't have
contact with any of us on a regular basis, like you said, it looks like
we all are criminals
14:30 - 15:00 and there's wonderful,
beautiful people in this community,
even though it's impoverished. You know what I'm saying?
That have little and will share
with another neighbor who has little.
You know what I mean? -Black power! -What kind of power y'all got?
-Black power! -What kind of love y'all got?
-Black love! -You know, we just want to
create the climate where certain things
just aren't acceptable in our culture anymore. -Mm-hmm.
-Shooting a baby, harming our women,
harming our elders, robbing people. Like, we're
going to change the climate to where that's not acceptable.
15:00 - 15:30 You do things
like that in our community, you're public enemy
number one. -Okay. -And that's when
this stuff will stop. -I mean, you guys are putting
yourselves on the front lines here. -You got to walk it.
Yeah. We almost finished, fellas. Let's go. How y'all feel?
-Powerful! -How y'all feel?
-Powerful! -Who got to do it?
-We got to do it! -Whose streets?
-Our streets! -What is your relationship
like with the police? Is there a relationship? -Not really. No.
-Okay. -Do we wish we had one?
-Yeah. -No, not really.
-You don't need it?
15:30 - 16:00 -I mean, if some positive
can come out of that, sure. But we're not seeking
that out or nothing. You know what I mean? -We've been relying on people, and that's proven
to not be to our benefit. We've been down here
for an hour and a half. We haven't seen one police.
-That's right. -New Era Cleveland seemed
quite content to tackle crime without help from the police. Confidence in police
among the black community is still lower than it's been
for the past two decades. I wanted to get
a police perspective on why crime is rising,
so I sat down with Newark Public
Safety Director Brian O'Hara.
16:00 - 16:30 -In the city of Newark,
during this year, gun violence has remained up
about 15 to 20 percent consistently all year
long compared to last year. It's terrible, and when you have
this perfect storm of factors -- we have more guns, we have people out of work,
nothing to do, time to stew over, you know,
interpersonal conflicts -- I think some people
on the street feel emboldened by the climate that exists
because they know the momentum is everyone
is challenging the police.
16:30 - 17:00 -Following the civil unrest
that ensued after the murder
of George Floyd, some analysts have claimed
that a phenomenon known as the Ferguson effect
has increased crime by proposing
that the fraught relationship between the community
and the police creates a space for law enforcement declines to engage in crime
fighting altogether. While a large volume of studies
have contributed to opinions for the Ferguson effect, there still didn't seem
to be a consensus. At least that's what I gained
from the massive amount of news articles
that come out every time someone releases a new study. There's been some
finger-pointing at police that they've been less active
in the communities because they're afraid
of getting canceled.
17:00 - 17:30 -I think we're
very fortunate in Newark that reforms began here years before George Floyd
was murdered. So as other places
were just starting to deal with this whole issue
of, like, body cameras and use of force reform,
that's something that we've actually been working
at here for years. -The police department
he oversees was investigated by the Department
of Justice in 2014 for unconstitutional
policing tactics and had to enter
into a consent decree, which required the department to
introduce a number of reforms, including this class we witness
called arrest control training.
17:30 - 18:00 -You got to know
how to throw strikes, but you got to know how
to defend strikes, so we're gonna talk defending
strikes, mostly. So we're gonna do that
using a jam, which you guys probably
went over. We're going to get
with another partner. He's gonna throw that punch.
I'm gonna get inside that punch. I'm going to stop it right here. -The purpose of
arrest and control is to teach our use
of force policy, which developed
under the consent decree with the input of the community and then teach de-escalation
with that. And de-escalation
is not just verbal. -I'm not affecting his airway. I'm not doing anything like
that. All I'm doing
is stopping this threat. If they don't feel confident
to do what they have to do
18:00 - 18:30 to resolve the situation
peacefully and assertively, they wind up creating a space where the situation
may escalate further. You know, our cops
are not MMA artists. You get, like, you know,
basic self-defense tactics once in the academy. That was 21 years ago for me. This is a tangible skill
that needs to be retaught. -So in real fast motion,
he's like, boom. I'm like, "Yo, calm down.
Calm down. Where are we going?
What's the matter with you?" -When a situation
goes to the point where someone needs
to be arrested and it goes hand on
and someone resists,
18:30 - 19:00 you need to know how to handle
that person physically in a safe way. And if you do this, then the department and the city
and the community will back you. -You know, last year,
there's been a lot of calls to defund the police. How do you build trust between
the community and the police? -I think when people say "defund
the police", they're saying, "Listen, it's about time we
start making these investments to address some of these root
causes that have created some of these geographic
concentrations of gun violence." So I have never taken offense when people have said
defund the police because I hear
what they're saying
19:00 - 19:30 and what they're saying is,
"Look, let's make some investments
where we need it and address root causes,
because throwing the police at this problem
and just locking people up when we can isn't going
to change the situation." -You'd like to see more
community engagement. -Yeah. More community engagement
and more investment in, you know, some of these
social services and housing and the problems
that are also correlated with these geographic
concentrations of gun violence. -To get a better understanding
how some of these services work in tandem with the police, I ended up in a place
I'd seen on the map in New York,
19:30 - 20:00 but it never set foot in. -We're in Brownsville. We're in
a high traffic area. Dangerous, but we outside
like ain't nothing happening. -It doesn't seem very dangerous
right now. -Oh, no, that's because
BIVO's out here. -Bigga is an outreach worker
with BIVO, Brownsville In, Violence Out, which organizes a number
of anti-violence programs. -We always in the hood. We stop beef.
We stop things from happening. -BIVO uses the cure violence
model and treats violence as if it were a disease
or infection. At risk youth are
targeted and mentored before they have the opportunity
to engage in violence.
20:00 - 20:30 We caught up with them during
one of their block takeovers, where organizations set up shop
to offer services and the police are asked to stay out
of the community for a few days. -We take over the block
and the police step back and let us do
what we do in the community for the community
without a police presence. -[ Laughs ] -Even though we work
alongside the police, we don't mend,
we don't share information, we don't take information
from them, we don't disclose
our participants. We do not work with police.
We here for the community. So that's why we ask the
police, like, "Listen,
20:30 - 21:00 if you expect the community
to respect us and make the job easier
and engaging in the community a little bit more easier,
back off a little bit. I'm not saying that we're trying
to do your job or you are trying to do our job because this has two different
dynamics, you understand? But just back off
a little bit. Let us handle this. If there's something
real dramatic or whatever, you know, you will be called, but..." -It's a balancing act.
-Balance, balance. -Everything is about
the balance. -Okay. But a lot of people last
year with "defund the police", you know, it was "Let's get
rid of police", but you don't want that?
21:00 - 21:30 -No, that's impossible. Let's be realistic. -We have this weird sense with
crime in this country, right? I feel like people are attracted
to crime, like, you know, we like our "Law & Order" shows,
we like watching "Cops". You know, why do you think --
-It's intriguing. The media, they just focus
on the negative too much. Like, imagine some kid
growing up in Brownsville, you know,
even though he knows everyone and just listening to the news, you have him scared to walk
around his own neighborhood, even though, yes,
things are happening. I'm not going to
take that from him, but he shouldn't be
living in fear,
21:30 - 22:00 just like they keeping
a negative cloud of "This is supposed to happen
in the ghetto, and this is where --"
No. If you keep somebody
thinking this one way, they're going to keep
thinking one way. -I found Big Boy's take on
the media industry insightful. We have an unhealthy appetite
for crime in this country, and it's created a self-fulfilling prophecy
for communities that this is how
it's supposed to be, that violence can be tolerated and even glorified
in entertainment. -So I guess I just think
that corporate leadership should be able to find
some way to tell us
fulfilling stories of humanity
22:00 - 22:30 that includes the negative
parts of humanity, but could put it in context. Cultures define themselves
by the stories they tell. And if our stories are driven
by violence all the time, we're defining ourselves
by violence. ♪♪ ♪♪