Massive Nexus Mods Controversy Just Happened...

Summary

Highlights

• Nexus Mods faced backlash for removing a mod that changed character labels from 'Body Type 1 and 2' to 'Male and Female' 🕹️.
• The removal was criticized as censorship and sparked a wider debate on modding platform policies 🚨.
• Some mods are seen as harmless, while others are removed for inciting ideological conflicts 🎭.
• This controversy highlighted the challenges Nexus faces in being a neutral platform for creativity and expression 🎨.
• The decision to remove the mod was based on the uploader’s provocative intentions rather than the mod’s content 😲.

Key Takeaways

• A mod changing labels to 'Male and Female' sparked a major controversy on Nexus Mods ⚡️.
• The controversy raised issues of censorship and ideological neutrality in video game modding 🌐.
• Nexus Mods removed the mod due to the uploader's intent to incite drama, rather than the content itself 🔥.
• Other modding platforms might gain popularity if Nexus continues stringent moderation 📈.
• The incident drew attention to the complexities of language and identity in game modding discussions 🧩.

Overview

Chapters

• 00:00 - 00:30: Introduction and Background In the introductory chapter, the narrator, Mudahar, initiates a discussion on video game controversy, focusing on the topic of modding. Mudahar expresses a deep passion for modding, sharing a personal anecdote about the game 'Cyberpunk 2077,' which he enjoyed extensively, especially after its DLC release. His experience with 'Cyberpunk 2077' was so engaging that it led him to temporarily step back from modding entirely.
• 00:30 - 01:00: Nexus Mods and Video Game Modding The chapter discusses the website nexusmods.com, a popular site for video game modding. The narrator shares personal experience of using the site throughout their YouTube career and notes the extensive number of downloads and mods available, including specific stats like 15.8 billion downloads, 694,000 mods, and mods for 3,656 games. The site is highlighted as a go-to resource for modding games like Cyberpunk 2077.
• 01:00 - 01:30: Cyberpunk 2077 Modding Experience The chapter 'Cyberpunk 2077 Modding Experience' discusses the author's journey with modding the game Cyberpunk 2077. Initially, the author was enthusiastic, exploring new cars, weapons, and quests through various mods. However, the frequent updates from CD Project Red led to constant disruptions, causing existing mods to break and making the modding experience frustrating and stressful. The updates were so impactful that they likened the experience to a form of post-traumatic stress disorder whenever a new update was announced.
• 01:30 - 02:00: Introduction to the Nexus Mods Controversy The video discussed revolves around the Nexus Mods controversy, particularly in relation to the newly released Oblivion Remastered game. This game, although a remaster of a 20-year-old title, has quickly amassed 510 mods, highlighting its popularity and the vibrant modding community around it. The narrator expresses curiosity and points out the excitement and potential uncertainty among gamers regarding the availability of mods for this game.
• 02:00 - 02:30: Oblivion Remastered and Modding Community The chapter delves into the remastered version of the game 'Oblivion' and the role of the modding community in enhancing the game experience. Although mods were not initially supported, the gaming community created various mods that improved lighting, fixed bugs, and optimized loot, essentially fulfilling tasks expected from the original developers, Bethesda. The chapter also touches on a specific mod that caused significant controversy on Nexus mods, leading to its removal.
• 02:30 - 03:00: Body Type Selector Mod Controversy Chapter titled 'Body Type Selector Mod Controversy' discusses a trending mod called 'Body Type Selector'. Initially unnoticed with only 10,000 downloads, the mod gained significant attention with 124,000 views due to its removal and the resulting controversy. The chapter hints at changes made by the mod, specifically referencing its relation to the game Oblivion. The exact features of the mod remain unclear, but its sudden popularity and the controversy around it are highlighted.
• 03:00 - 03:30: Understanding the Mod's Impact In this chapter, the focus is on the impact of a mod on a game, specifically how it alters character creation. Initially, the game allows players to choose their character's race and select between two body types, labeled as 'Body type one' and 'Body type two' in the modern re-release. The mod changes these labels to 'female' and 'male', which sparked controversy among some players. This discussion parallels experiences from players who have played the original version of the game or similar RPGs like Oblivion.
• 03:30 - 04:00: Nexus Mods' Reaction and Community Response The chapter discusses the reaction of Nexus Mods and the community to a modification in a game where the selection of gender is essentially cosmetic. It explains that, in the game, regardless of the gender or body type choice, characters and quests would behave as if the player selected male or female. This change was intended to align the game's language with modern sensibilities.
• 04:00 - 04:30: Comparison to Past Modding Incidents This chapter discusses confusion and personal experiences with character creation in video games, specifically referencing Elden Ring. The speaker shares their struggle in distinguishing between different body types labeled simply as "one" and "two," instead of the traditional male and female options. This reflects broader changes in how gender is represented in gaming.
• 04:30 - 05:00: Nexus Mods' Historical Mod Removals The chapter delves into the historical removals of mods from Nexus Mods, a popular video game modding platform. It discusses the varying approaches players have towards character creation in video games, particularly first-person games like Cyberpunk and FromSoft titles. For some, character creation is an intricate, time-consuming process; for others, like the speaker, it is less important, especially since they primarily experience the game from a first-person perspective. This differing emphasis on character aesthetics versus abilities highlights a broader discussion on gaming preferences and modding impacts.
• 05:00 - 05:30: Community Backlash and Broader Discussion The chapter titled 'Community Backlash and Broader Discussion' revolves around personal opinions on gaming character customizations. The speaker mentions their tendency to pick a default character and focus on abilities rather than engaging deeply in character creation. They discuss a game featuring modifiable attributes, specifically a 'male female body type,' highlighting different languages and modifications applied. The speaker expresses confusion over why someone might install a modification that changes these attributes, emphasizing personal preference for basic body type options as male or female.
• 05:30 - 06:00: Nexus Mods' Decision to Reinstate the Mod This chapter discusses Nexus Mods' decision to reinstate a previously removed mod that altered gendered language in a video game. The conversation sheds light on the choice of words like 'modern body type one and two,' which aim to avoid gender-specific terms. However, there's debate over whether this approach effectively promotes inclusivity, especially in the context of a 20-year-old game remake. The mod's removal sparked controversy over censorship and ideological neutrality on the Nexus Mods platform, leading to widespread discourse and the eventual reinstatement of the mod.
• 06:00 - 06:30: Discussion on Censorship and Modding Freedom The chapter focuses on the topic of censorship in gaming, specifically in relation to modding. It covers a discussion regarding a harmless mod that was not intended to promote violence, hatred, or anything controversial. The mod merely altered some language within the game. The conversation acknowledges that most gamers might not even bother installing such a mod due to its negligible impact after character creation. However, the topic underscores the broader theme of modding freedom versus censorship in gaming platforms.
• 06:30 - 07:00: Nexus Mods' Position and Future Implications In this chapter titled 'Nexus Mods' Position and Future Implications,' the focus is on the controversy surrounding mod installations, particularly those dealing with ideological themes. The chapter discusses the tension between users and the platform, detailing how some mods, which might seem benign or purely cosmetic, can be perceived through an ideological lens. This perception can lead to significant backlash, with some mods being treated as contentious or politically charged, akin to extremist ideologies, despite their seemingly trivial nature. The implications for Nexus Mods lie in balancing user freedom and community standards while navigating the complex landscape of digital modifications.
• 07:00 - 07:30: Conclusion and Personal Reflection In this chapter, the author reflects on the escalation of a topic within games journalism that began as a narrative around censorship and evolved into a much broader discussion. The incident became significant enough to stimulate widespread discourse, demonstrating its impact on the community and media at large. The author concludes their reflection by highlighting the incident's role in propelling conversations, especially around the context of mod removals, which also involved broader geopolitical discussions, including viewpoints from Chinese commentators.

Massive Nexus Mods Controversy Just Happened... Transcription

• 00:00 - 00:30 hello guys and gals Me Mudahar and uh we got some controversy to talk about ladies and gentlemen Some video game controversy so to speak Now are you like modding video games i actually love modern video games Okay in fact I love modding video games so much that I actually stopped modding video games It was a game I played called Cyberpunk 2077 You might have heard of it And ever since the DLC came out I've played through like 100% of the game I played through so much of it that I decided I
• 00:30 - 01:00 wanted to go and actually mod the game So you know where I go to like most gamers I go to a site called nexusmods.com Now I've been using the site for like damn near the entirety of my YouTube career and even then some at this point It's a place where you have 15.8 billion downloads as of today 694,000 mods 61.7 million members and of course mods for 3,656 games So if I want to mod games like Cyberpunk 2077 I just click that
• 01:00 - 01:30 big old button right there and I have about 15,000 mods that I can play with Now when I played this game so much I started to add mods like different cars weapons tried to add quests and I stopped modding the game because uh CD Project Red just updated the game so much that every time I would get an update for the game I would just go "Oh god oh god it's going to break everything." And it did break everything In fact modding this game basically gave me some form of post-traumatic stress disorder every time I saw an update on
• 01:30 - 02:00 my system But that's not the point okay obviously this video is about the Nexus mod controversy And at first I was kind of wondering what this was about And uh ladies and gentlemen for anybody that doesn't know there's a small little indie game known as Oblivion Remastered that just came out In fact this game is so brand new that uh of course ladies and gentlemen it's got 510 mods It's a remaster of a about 20-year-old video game And for a lot of gamers who were like man I don't even think we might even be able to have mods for this
• 02:00 - 02:30 considering the fact that I don't think mods were even supported But lo and behold the gaming community put together a whole bunch of mods Some of these mods I've installed where you can actually have more realistic looking lighting compared to the original There's loot fixes bug fixes I mean we're basically doing the thing that Bethesda is supposed to be doing Okay but one mod in particular freaked the ever loving hell out of Nexus mods to the point where it was removed Now you might be wondering
• 02:30 - 03:00 what was that mod well it's actually the first one in trending body type selector Now you might be like whoa why did this trigger some controversy Muda well with the mod that has 10,000 downloads you sure as hell gave it the Stryand effect with 124,000 views Okay I wouldn't have heard about this if it wasn't for the removal of this mod and the subsuing controversy that existed So again one of the things you might be noticing is what does this mod change Muda so if you ever played Oblivion and god forbid if you
• 03:00 - 03:30 haven't go to the game start a new start a new file and the first thing you're going to be doing like most RPGs is making a character right so obviously you pick your character's race All right but of course with body type this was the option that had kind of triggered a few people Body type one and body type two are actually what is in the modern re-release of the game Now again what this mod did was it replaced that those those words with female and male Now if you play through the remake or just the original like Oblivion this this name
• 03:30 - 04:00 whether it be female or male or body type 1 and two doesn't really matter in the core context of the game In the actual game the characters and the entire world will still refer to you as if you picked a male or a female Whether certain genders or not genders but quests would be delivered to you Depending on those genders they would be delivered to you as if you picked male or female So by all accounts this was nothing more than a cosmetic selector that was designed I guess to make the language appropriate with modern times Okay and that was pretty much like kind
• 04:00 - 04:30 of the end of it Now when I see body type one and body type two personally it kind of is a little bit confusing to me Uh generally speaking the reason so is the first time I've ever seen this it is in a game like Elden Ring when I was making my character And honestly I'm just so used to seeing like a male or a female arch type body that I have to actually look between the option of one and two to see what is the male body and what is the female body Okay that's really where it gets confusing to me But on a on a real level this takes you know
• 04:30 - 05:00 however amount of time it may take for a character creator to do For many people they can be making an hour-long character creation like experience where they're putting together the most ugliest in character For me like most people since I play this game in first person or at least just me I'll speak for myself I usually just skip past all of this decide what my character's class and abilities are more importantly than I decide what they look like since it's a firstp person game I think anytime I played games like even most um most FromSoft games or specifically Cyberpunk
• 05:00 - 05:30 2077 like I said earlier I just usually pick the default looking character and move alongside Okay I don't really go into the whole character creation [ __ ] that much I just focus mostly on the abilities But again that's just me to go back to it This was a male female body type and the language was something that was modded to be different Now in a real talk segment over here I personally don't understand uh why I would ever want to install this mod Just on a personal level body type one and two or male or female Again just the use of the
• 05:30 - 06:00 modern body type one and two language feels kind of arbitrary in that sense because it is just male and female Like I guess if you're kind of shying away from gendered language or you're trying to make games all the way inclusive um I think there's probably better ways to handle it especially in a 20-year-old remake But this mod being removed really was the reason why Stysizand a defected right like all of a sudden you had just people constantly yelling about "Hey this is censorship This is not ideological neutrality on Nexus mod,"
• 06:00 - 06:30 which is one of the largest haven for mods out there And realistically that's where the conversation jumped up to Now again me personally I think most gamers probably wouldn't even bother to install this mod because you get past this whole character creator and you never see it again But again this mod wasn't something that was out there promoting violence or promoting hatred or promoting anything It was people changing language back at you know if you looked at the files for what the files are themselves it's an incredibly harmless innocuous mod And you don't
• 06:30 - 07:00 really have to install it if you don't agree with it either right if somehow you don't agree with the body type one and two language right like you're just ideologically not there and you're installing this mod It's a far different mod than one that you know like I saw this right the way the controversy kind of treated this it almost felt like people were looking at this as like you know the next big crazy neo-Nazi like [ __ ] hunt the hunt the LGBTQ mod or something right it was a again cosmetic swap on the character creator and it got
• 07:00 - 07:30 ballooned up through all games journalism into something that you know involved censorship and and all this other stuff that ultimately becomes a far bigger story and a far bigger topic of discussion But yeah I guess it achieved what it wanted to It really twisted the nipples of I guess everyone talking to the point that we're here today discussing the largest modding platform in the world So apparently this wasn't even the only mod that was removed Based on some discussion from what appeared to be like actual Chinese
• 07:30 - 08:00 modders even the Chinese translation of Elder Scrolls 4 Oblivion had to apparently been allegedly banned And I can't entirely confirm this myself because I haven't really seen uh much of this in terms of evidentiary proof I've seen it being shared around through these screenshots but the idea is is that they actually ended up removing it because key values of gender which was actually in the database itself from the original ' 06 version of the game were male female And of course this was not something that was flying well with again it appeared to be the moderation
• 08:00 - 08:30 of Nexus So yeah obviously if this is true and I don't know the Chinese language because I don't really speak Chinese but you know as somebody that speaks Hindi like there are gendered languages and differences If you didn't understand what I said all right generally speaking I just wanted to flex a little bit of my bilingualness but speaking gender languages and knowing things that you know the way that you pronounce certain
• 08:30 - 09:00 words or the way that certain genders are mentioned English as a language is again very different to other languages specifically gendered languages that I would say like Spanish like H like you know a lot of these South Asian languages not just Hindi but obviously Chinese at this point probably would also be dragged into it as well given just the brief research that I've done here So yeah this was ultimately a big sort of you know hoopla about just again body type one body type two uh
• 09:00 - 09:30 being replaced to male female through a mod Now on the surface I myself wouldn't really care to do this mod myself Like I would have to go through effort to just modify an experience and part of a game that I would only see for a fraction of a second at most it does not warrant that much effort But if somebody wants to go through that I personally don't understand why But on the surface and the file as a whole I don't see what it's doing is necessarily destructive or dangerous Right this kind of a mod
• 09:30 - 10:00 doesn't promote violence It doesn't promote any harm It's just a mod that exists for people that want to make their game you know they want to change the wording of something in there You may not agree with it but generally speaking this mod wasn't necessarily designed to uh I guess escalate some level of violence so to speak All right and by this mod being removed obviously you know regardless of where your stances are ideologically it is in some ways actual censorship And for one of the premier modding platforms like Nexus
• 10:00 - 10:30 to do this it's a very dangerous slope to go down Now it's not the first time Nexus has ever done this Obviously if you remember back when there was Starfield another Bethesda game the introduction character creation screen had a you know pronoun selector So you could pick he him she her they them And somebody made a mod where they actually [ __ ] it up where if they removed the pronoun selector everyone in the game was effectively referring to the created character as a they them pronoun person
• 10:30 - 11:00 So instead of getting rid of the pronouns they just severely botched the mod right there But then there were other mods that Nexus removed as well Like for instance if you ever played Spider-Man you'll probably notice that at certain parts of the map in Manhattan there are pride flags and those ma those uh when somebody had made a mod to remove them Nexus jumped in and removed that modder from modding out pride flags from their game And again I have to explain I don't understand why somebody would go through that effort I wouldn't do it myself Again these are not things
• 11:00 - 11:30 that bother me to the insane point in my personal opinion where I'm going to be downloading a mod from the internet patching it in and then upkeeping it as that game is constantly updated Okay again even when looking at this it's also funny too when actual companies will remove those pride flags and remove any LGBT references when it comes down to selling the game in regions like Saudi Arabia which again it shows me how like careless these companies are when it comes to the values they preach right
• 11:30 - 12:00 like obviously I believe every gay person every trans person every person has a right to exist okay why is it okay to spread their existence in our side of the world and not fight for it or at least advocate it for it in any other place you're releasing the game obviously money is more important Obviously your values are more aligned there But yeah it it is what it is But generally speaking this was not the only set of mods that Nexus was getting rid of Okay this was a history of modifications that Nexus would remove
• 12:00 - 12:30 There were certain mods like Marvel Rivals where they would remove a mod that depicted the heads of characters uh as specific US presidents And of course they wanted to again remove it on that front because Nexus was obviously impartial or they were claiming to be impartial from the US political machine which if that was really the case right if they were ideologically free I don't think they would really need to go about and remove mods like this So yeah when the account got banned one of the posts
• 12:30 - 13:00 that came out from like Nexus was right here on their bot The account that posted that mod got banned because they were posting an intentionally antagonistic mod with intention to evade the rules the mod altered the body types in the remake from 1 to two to male and female While the modification itself is not inherently a problem the intention of the author is the problem when the user reported that they had archived the mod on a website dedicated to archiving toos breaking content on Nexus mods and other modding websites with a particular
• 13:00 - 13:30 focus on bigotry The author replied "Awesome Thanks for picking up on my intentions '07." From our file submission guidelines this is one of the guidelines They had files that remove identity inducing including pronouns from a game that has been intentionally put in place by a game developer And I assume a lot of this like extreme verboseness came from like Starfield and previous games that had the stuff modded out I think games like Balders's Gate 3 were even targeted specifically because they had a very in-depth character creator that could go far more in depth
• 13:30 - 14:00 than whatever we're seeing with Bethesda Now in amongst all this you might be like what other mod sites exist now to be honest with you some of the mod sites that I love personally are mod sites like Mod DB Now I've been modding for a long time Back in the day when we were getting mods we were getting them from all different types of online communities Mod DB is probably the place where I've downloaded so many of the goofiest like Grand Theft Auto mods that I've shown on my channel like entire like total re-releases I would consider this site to be like a handsdown million
• 14:00 - 14:30 times better than whatever you're seeing in Nexus Mods Just because like the actual kind of mods that I want which are actually like game modifying mods versus again your standard Gooner mod is uh is all present over here Not to say there's anything wrong with the Goonar mod Clearly there's a market for it And that kind of a market was a market like DEEG mods for instance where other mod sites started to form up because they wanted to release you know a lot of these Nexus band mods in you know free complete ownership right over here And
• 14:30 - 15:00 again when you go to like sites like DEEG mods some of the most popular mods they kind of start off by showcasing are again mods where again they're replacing those body type languages where instead of again Elden Ring great example they wanted to change body type A and B to male and female And again the further you go down into it you'll find other things like new Newtonian New York where a mod that replaces all the in-game LGBT flags with the US flag in Marvel Spider-Man Remastered And again these
• 15:00 - 15:30 are all mods that have effectively been stored that have been removed from a lot of the big places like Nexus because of again the ideology and the moderation that jumped in to remove this It's it's the perfect example of like what a Stryand effect really is Like according to DEG mods they're looking at this and they're going type one and type two Nexus mods This mod goes against my views but I will allow it This mod goes against my views Lock thread delete ban ban ban I will just say it Broke a site rule And again that's really the entire
• 15:30 - 16:00 mention here It's like obviously if they appear to be censoring mods sure And you'll go to sites like base mods for instance which again will have mods stored onto their websites that again are banned from a lot of these major places And if you look at the top mods or at least the most recent mods you'll find your body type mod you'll find Hetero Henry you'll find a lighter skin version of Yasuke the brain rot removal I think it's pretty understandable like what kind of mods end up on a lot of these based or free mod websites right
• 16:00 - 16:30 like if I go to Alan Wake 2 I wonder It's literally just like a white version of like the black character They just like replaced it A small test mod that changes Saga Anderson to have white skin blonde highlights and blue gray eyes So it's just literally race swapping the entire character dude No females out of Battlefield 5 You guys are still actually playing Battlefield 5 come on now Come on The nerfed Jews and the DEI
• 16:30 - 17:00 remover Oh boy Yeah I think it's pretty safe to say that I think most gamers are probably going to look at things like Nerf Jews and a lot of these mods in these lists and probably not go through the effort of installing them or really not shed a tear if they do get removed from like mainstream websites But yes obviously when you have over moderation on your website especially for mods where again I would say there's a big bit of a difference between like Nerf Jews and body type one to like you know male and female
• 17:00 - 17:30 right when you have the over moderation obviously that's what Nexus is worried about You got to have a pretty relatively impartial website and again there there's a fine line a fine balance between it and it's one thing where I feel like Nexus is a little bit threatened going forward And let's read further into their responses Now of course in amongst all this controversy ladies and gentlemen Nexus had gotten so much of it that they decided yeah I guess we'll bring the mod back So yeah the actual mod is back Body type selector And according to the fellows
• 17:30 - 18:00 over at Nexus Mods the mod has been and likely will continue to be a source of controversy within the community I mean in all honesty right like this was a pretty small little inconsequential mod that honestly picked up steam because every gaming journalist wanted to talk about it Everyone wanted to turn it into a big story I think at some point I saw a Vice article about it Like is Oblivion Remaster too woke right-wing gamers are trying to mod out this feature Like the moment you try to actually have websites
• 18:00 - 18:30 like this the moment you try to bring this stuff off again it's like nobody would have heard about it if it wasn't for every big publication every creator talking about it But yeah to give you an idea they said that the mod was taken down not because of its content but it was removed because of the uploader's behavior In the comments the uploader expressed an intent to incite drama and endorse an external site explicitly designed to host inflammatory content This kind of behavior directly violates our community standards We recognize that mods like this can bring sensitive
• 18:30 - 19:00 discussion around gender and identity to the forefront While these are important conversations our platform exists to support creative expression in modding not not to serve as a battleground for broader cultural and political debates Look at the end of it you kind of lose your right to kind of say that this is about just you know the broader like it was ideological that you took down the mod Let's be honest here okay and now let's say that this person did have a claim against you right like let's say that this person was here to incite
• 19:00 - 19:30 drama You really did give them an out by just effectively removing a mod that outright literally did something very small and inconsequential Like at one point people want to tell you that this is a meaningless mod and it should be removed And again these weren't massive changes to be had And on the other hand they really are vehemently trying to remove this mod from existence to the point that it's now preserved forever Not that it's some crazy intense of a mod anyways but the actual argument the actual like you know uh conversation
• 19:30 - 20:00 surrounding it really just blew up because of how Nexus operated And do I think that Nexus turned this around because they actually believe in free expression no I think honestly the only reason Nexus turned this around was because Nexus feels like if all of a sudden their website is going to have more and more of these moderation incidents Um and again to be honest to me it's not that big of a deal right like I wouldn't personally install this mod I wouldn't go through my way of doing it But I also don't necessarily see this mod as something equivalent to
• 20:00 - 20:30 again a mod that perpetrates you know an actual you know racism transphobia you know homo homophobia anything of that nature Okay if somebody is removing content from a video game or modifying it on their own game data on their own files right i really don't see the actual like difference in it right it'd be one thing if they were just constantly throwing in like [ __ ] swastikas all over the world of Siridil okay and promoting like crazy like conspiracy theories and crazy hatred and bigotry through it right but replacing
• 20:30 - 21:00 again just body type one and two to male and female honestly wasn't that big of a deal to begin with It wouldn't be something that I would do but it shouldn't have been at this point where everyone had this hoopla and now we're suddenly talking about it because it's this great discussion of what is censorship There was censorship that happened from Nexus's point And the greater overarching story here is if censorship keeps occurring you know at Nexus and honestly it's really up to the entire like board of people the moderators to decide what they allow on
• 21:00 - 21:30 the site versus what they don't It's going to threaten the again prominence of Nexus mods and people might just be going to other websites maybe to based mod sites or maybe to mod DB or maybe to other mod websites or forums or smaller communities like they used to be just if it means distributing their mods without having people occasionally jumping in and removing it on their own discretion right it's just one of those things I really feel like Nexus felt like their dominance was a little threatened All right just because of how bad discourse
• 21:30 - 22:00 like this can get and that's never good to have But yeah honestly the Nexus controversy was in my opinion it wasn't really all that crazy But um I did learn a lot about body type 1 and body type 2 discourse that I probably could have done without probably could have spent that time playing like expedition 33 Great JRPG If you haven't played it give it a try If you like what you saw please like comment and subscribe Dislike if you dislike it What a [ __ ] show