Paul Craig Roberts: Trump vs Neocons - Ukraine and Israel

Summary

Highlights

• Paul Craig Roberts highlights the deep influence of the Israel lobby in U.S. politics, suggesting it obstructs moderate diplomacy. 🇺🇸
• Trump’s team, including Zionist-aligned officials, raises concerns over balance in Middle Eastern policies. ⚖️
• Discusses Netanyahu's plan for Greater Israel and its potential regional impact. 🌎
• Criticizes Western leaders’ understanding and handling of the Ukraine conflict, calling them unrealistic. 📉
• Warnings about military conflicts escalating without diplomatic interventions, pointing to Putin and Middle East tensions. ⚠️

Key Takeaways

• The influence of the Israel lobby has grown significantly, affecting U.S. political decisions. 🇮🇱
• Trump's appointments reportedly favor Zionist perspectives, complicating impartial diplomatic efforts. 🌍
• Netanyahu's vision of Greater Israel involves significant geopolitical ambitions. 🌐
• Russian and Iranian defenses complicate potential military actions from the U.S. and Israel. 🛡️
• There's growing concern over leadership readiness to handle conflicts diplomatically rather than militarily. 🤔

Overview

Paul Craig Roberts: Trump vs Neocons - Ukraine and Israel Transcription

• 00:00 - 00:30 hi everybody today is Monday November 25th and Paul Carrick Roberts is here with us welcome back Paul hello Nea Paul let's get started with the new Administration Trump Administration is being formed right now he's picking his people to be part of his administration before going to Trump and
• 00:30 - 01:00 his policies when it comes to the Middle East there is a longterm strategy in the Middle East here is I'm going to play a clip that Nixon is talking about the relationship between the United States and Israel and I want I want to know what's your take on his type of thinking toward Israel and is it going to be the case for the Trump Administration let me play it for you whether I felt it uh the
• 01:00 - 01:30 fact is that American Jews support Israel uh and I understood that and the fact is that every Jewish prime minister that I have known uh has enlisted American Jews to bring as much pressure as possible in the political process on American Presidents that's understandable I don't object to it now a president must not go along with it on occasion uh because some let me let me explain something about what is called the Jewish Lobby in this
• 01:30 - 02:00 country in the first place Jews understandably in the United States because of what happened in World War II because of the Holocaust are going to put first priority on the survival of Israel now as good Americans as they are they believe that America's survival and security is directly related to Israel's in other words their
• 02:00 - 02:30 belief is that being for Israel first uh means that that does not mean you're putting America second because they think it goes together an American president however has to approach it in a different way in my opinion he's got always to think first of what is best for America and that's true whether it has to do with the Israelis or whether it has to do with the Irish or the Germans or what have you or the poles Etc uh usually what is best for America
• 02:30 - 03:00 is also best for Israel and vice versa but on occasions for example an American president must make a decision that does not in effect give the Israelis a blank check and one example of that is a decision that I made uh I decided early on in our Administration that we were going to seek good relations with Egypt and other others of Israel's neighbors many of my Israeli friends didn't like that because they wanted to special relationship with Israel and Israel only
• 03:00 - 03:30 but I have always said uh that Israel's interests are better served to have the United States a friend of Israel's neighbors and potential enemies than to leave a vacuum which the Soviet Union would fill I still believe that and I think that should be American policy today Paul it was when you look at the way that he's talking about it's unbelievable how direct and correct he is right now with the currenc situation
• 03:30 - 04:00 of the of the relationship between the United States and Israel is Donald Trump going to consider any of these talks from nion I have no idea um since Nixon's time uh the power of the Israel Lobby has grown some would say dramatically and um they essentially the Israeli
• 04:00 - 04:30 government receives enough money every year from the United States uh to purchase our elections so it's uh impossible to be a member of the House of Representatives or a member of the Senate and not represent Israel's interest uh you may know there is one member I don't remember if it's the house or the Senate there's one member and he
• 04:30 - 05:00 constantly makes the point that every member except him of the United States Congress has an Israeli keeper who watches over what he says what he does what he supports and imposes discipline that Israel requires
• 05:00 - 05:30 well there's no reason for this member of the Congress to be saying this uh unless it's true because it doesn't it doesn't earn him uh any uh brownie points it just makes him a target for attack he's said to be an anti-semite and so on and so on so when you have um a president whether it's Trump or whoever and he's confronted
• 05:30 - 06:00 with the Congress you have to remember it was not but a few months ago that Netanyahu the Israeli Prime Minister who was engaged in what the Israeli government itself seemed to describe as the genocide of Palestine the very person heading this genocide campaign is is invited to the Congress to speak and
• 06:00 - 06:30 is given 53 standing ovations well it's kind of hard to believe uh but you can see the constraint uh that Trump whatever his own opinion and his own intentions are the constraint Trump faces is powerful in fact if you look at
• 06:30 - 07:00 Trump's appointments in the military and Foreign Affairs area if you look at his secretary of defense his National Security advisor U his uh uh ambassador to the United Nations his ambassador to Israel his Envoy to the Middle East they are all zionists committed to the def of Israel
• 07:00 - 07:30 and every one of them is prepared to go to war with Iran they say this themselves I'm simply reporting what's everywhere in the media so quite clearly Trump was afraid to put anyone anywhere in military or Foreign Affairs that would be prepared to put pressure on Israel to moderate so that some kind of a agreement can be reached
• 07:30 - 08:00 to stop the conflict in the Middle East which has the same potential as the one in Ukraine to explode out of control so that tells me that Trump isn't prepared uh to take any actions other than those that say that serve Israel's interest in these policies that you're mentioning is it going to help Israelis
• 08:00 - 08:30 to capture the West Bank even Gaza the northern part of Gaza how do you see that well U I think the Israeli government netu and the Israeli media have made it clear that um this is the end of Palestine there will be no more Palestine not in Gaza not in the West
• 08:30 - 09:00 Bank if there's any Palestine it will be in refugee camps in Lebanon or Jordan or wherever um they get put uh there's already been pressure from Israel uh on the United States Andor Europe uh to take the Palestinians in as refugees so I think that it's a a forego conclusion that the intent of Israel is
• 09:00 - 09:30 no more Palestinians period um this seems to be in agreement uh with the Ambassador that we have sent to Israel or that or that rather that Trump will be sending to Israel huckleby because he has said that Israel uh has the title to Palestine so that excludes the
• 09:30 - 10:00 Palestinians from from being there because the title is Israel's so I think we are uh seeing the final erosion of Palestine you know Palestine has been disappearing bit by bit year by year since 1947 there are there are maps available uh
• 10:00 - 10:30 online uh at different dates showing what initially was Israel and Palestine and how it has changed over time so that essentially Palestine disappeared except for Gaza and a few places in the West Bank that really aren't even connected to each other so that was at the beginning of this current Israeli assault on
• 10:30 - 11:00 Palestine and though it's not reported in the media the assault also includes the palestin the remaining Palestinian villages in the West Bank they're being empted just like Gaza so I think that Palestine no will no longer exist it's it's essentially gone I don't see anyone
• 11:00 - 11:30 anywhere doing anything to prevent it clearly the United States government both parties uh are in support of the weapons that the Israelis are using to destroy the Palestinian population and um they're also using starvation disease um polluted water all the rest you know the I think the population
• 11:30 - 12:00 essentially is seriously sick ill there are no medicines there no hospitals they're probably so ill they're going to just die from the malnutrition and the infectious diseases uh it may not even be necessary for Israel to continue slaughtering them and bombing them and all the rest so
• 12:00 - 12:30 what can Trump do about it nothing the whole thing will be over with probably in two months I mean how can the Palestinians exist just think about it you there's no power there no hospitals there no medicines there's no food there there's no portable water it's just really uh hell it's just hell on Earth and nobody does anything and not even the Arabs not even the Muslims not even Hezbollah or or Iran the the
• 12:30 - 13:00 world has accepted the extermination of the Palestinians I think it's over with but when we remember the first term of Donald Trump he was able to Annex Jerusalem the eastern part of Jerusalem and to Israel but right now the situation is totally different Paul as you know we had some
• 13:00 - 13:30 sort of R rosma between Iran and Saudi Arabia turkey has caught all its ties with Israel still letting the aarani oil to get to Israel but that would be the next step I don't know if they would consider that Donald Trump do you think that Donald Trump is that powerful in terms of what's going on the real face of the Middle East right now or is he going to face some sort of resistance from the
• 13:30 - 14:00 governments from the countries in the West Asia in terms of what's going on in Israel they're not going to let him to do whatever Israel is want to do well um the target the Israeli Target is Iran and the Israeli agenda is greater Israel which net himself held up the map
• 14:00 - 14:30 showing Israel is from the Nile to the Euphrates and then um maybe a month ago if that long one of the Israeli ministers said actually greater Israel is larger it now includes Saudi Arabia so that may explain the Saudis getting closer to Iran and conducting joint military exercises but what it comes down to is
• 14:30 - 15:00 Iran and Russia it doesn't make much difference what Israel or the United States thinks the question is will Putin let us attack Iran uh Putin has said he won't um the question is will people believe him uh
• 15:00 - 15:30 I don't think Putin can afford Iran to be destroyed like Iraq was or like Libya was or like President Obama intended for Syria to be because Iran protects Russia from the CIA being able to send in its mer is jihadist mercenaries into Russia into the Muslim areas and and and cause uh
• 15:30 - 16:00 destabilization the way the United States tried in chna a few years ago so I think um Iran is off limits for an American and Israeli attack the Israelis don't accept that and continue to try to U Get American corporation uh in an attack on Iran now
• 16:00 - 16:30 it may be too late we may remember the uh last Israeli attack on Iran their aircraft were unable to enter Iranian territory they would have been blown out of the sky so they had to launch their weapons from Iraqi airspace and it appears almost all these
• 16:30 - 17:00 weapons that they launched were intercepted because it seems that the Iranians have the Russian S400 air defense system uh and I don't think the Israelis or even the United States have anything that can penetrate that so it could well be that uh Iran is now a difficult military
• 17:00 - 17:30 Target and also we know that the Iranians have the capability of uh penetrating Israel's Iron Dome so it may well be that U that situation militarily is not the easy one that the Israelis uh were counting on and and the American war
• 17:30 - 18:00 mongers were counting on and that itself may stop it we we have to also keep in mind that the real conflict now is shaping up in Ukraine because we've seen the utter total stupidity and criminal Insanity of the United States Secretary of State United States national security advisor giving a green light
• 18:00 - 18:30 to firing long range missiles into Russia and now we see the French president has joined this giving a green light and they've done this in the face of Putin's clear statement that this means dur at war with Russia and they've done this in the face of the revision in Russian war doctrine that permits the use of nuclear weap weapons against
• 18:30 - 19:00 nonnuclear countries that launch any kind of attack against Russia and they're doing this despite the demonstration the other day of the new Russian intermediate range missile this missile does not need nuclear warheads to destroy every NATO US military base in Europe and the Middle
• 19:00 - 19:30 East in a matter of minutes so if this missile is deployed in numbers there's no capability of of Ukraine of Israel the United States conducting a conventional war with Russia was just possible they would be immediately annihilated without use of nuclear weapons so what what would they do I would imagine to save face the
• 19:30 - 20:00 fools in Washington would want to launch sh CBS and be the end of the world so the situation uh on the ground I think is dramatically changed with this new Russian missile and with the air protection that Iran now has and Iran's ability to directly attack Israel
• 20:00 - 20:30 so we can keep our fingers crossed that Putin tolerates the provocations coming from Washington until Trump gets an office and waits to see can Trump bring the West to its senses and solve this in some way that acknowledges the Russian point of view
• 20:30 - 21:00 you know so far the West lives in its own propaganda and it sees the world through its own lies and and as the French foreign minister said today or yesterday or uh oh uh we have to uh stop Russia right there otherwise they'll soon have all of Europe well of course Russia has no intention of overrunning Europe what do they want
• 21:00 - 21:30 Europe for you know they're focused on bricks on the Silk Road they're on their own developments in Siberia on Africa they have no interest in conquering Europe I mean what would they want with it I mean what's it good for I mean it's overrun with refugees from third world countries it's turning into a Tower of Babel you know the land thing Russia wants is more
• 21:30 - 22:00 problems or occupation you know there's no sign of Putin constructing an army large enough to occupy Europe he he says over and over no conscription no conscription the Russian army is really not that large it's plenty large enough to deal with Ukraine but it's not it's not a force that's being developed to conquer Europe or
• 22:00 - 22:30 anybody for that matter you know Putin has steadfastly refused for three years to conquer Ukraine he keeps saying this is a limited Military operation confined to donbas that we are expelling the ukrainians from the Russian areas that have been reabsorbed in Russia um my criticism of him for three years has been that this was a mistake
• 22:30 - 23:00 because it it let by not taking k out of the war he left them there to continue it and the continuation of it has left has let the West get so involved that it's now widening and becoming a major war we are on the verge of a major war the only thing that's going to prevent a major it's War it's not going
• 23:00 - 23:30 to be Washington those stupid fools are sending missiles into Russia it's going to be Putin holding his patience keeping his patience waiting to see if a new American regime can come to its census that's that's the only thing at the moment preventing the outb outbreak of a major war it's the patience of Putin if
• 23:30 - 24:00 he loses his patience what the west and Washington are doing are going to directly cause a major war and so if you look at the world in this way uh Israel I mean it's of no longer is of no consequence it's a war criminal Nation it's the international criminal court has arrest warrants out for netu and the former Defense Minister
• 24:00 - 24:30 they are defined they have been indicted as war criminals that is they are they have the same status as the Nazis at nurenberg now we see the Americans stupid as they are in Washington saying they're going to put sanctions on any country that helps the
• 24:30 - 25:00 IC bring the Israelis to Justice well that makes us complicit with war criminals so the United States is losing its Aura of being some sort of a moral Force it's it's committed to the protection of war criminals well when your reputation is shattered
• 25:00 - 25:30 so is your power and that's what washingon is doing to itself and so as I see it we're on the edge of a final war breaking out and the only thing preventing it at the moment is the patience of Vladimir
• 25:30 - 26:00 Putin and we have to pray his patience holds and that when Trump gets there he's capable of understanding that Russia's demands about Ukraine are non-negotiable they simply have to be accepted they're not going to give back territory that is now part of Russia they're not going to accept Ukraine and
• 26:00 - 26:30 NATO they're not going to accept Ukraine's ability to continue any kind of War they're not going to accept continuation of a hostile government in Ukraine it's just not going to happen so Trump is the challenge for Trump is to show that peace is is the accomplishment not victory over Russia
• 26:30 - 27:00 which is unobtainable he'll have to Define this as peace we we've made mistakes the mistakes we've made are lifethreatening to the planet we've got to correct this by securing peace that's the task now can he perform it or is he too uh does he Bluster too
• 27:00 - 27:30 much does he rely on Force too much uh will he be worried that the media will say it's an American defeat he just has to accept it if it's an American defeat he has to say no it's a victory for peace we're not giving the Russians any thing they haven't already
• 27:30 - 28:00 taken we know we can't take it back unless we go to nuclear war in which we won't be here there's nothing to be gained what do we gain from peace then he can show all the gains from peace so that's the challenge and it seems that there's no one currently in any Western Government other than maybe the one and Hungary that has any comprehension of
• 28:00 - 28:30 this they all want more war imagine Britain France I mean their military capability is practically zero and they want to go to war with Russia this is why I say these people are insane you have to be insane they're not just making a
• 28:30 - 29:00 mistake all right so I that's my description of the problem yeah Trump has chosen Sebastian gork as senior director for counter terrorism here is what he said about Russia Paul president has mentioned he will say to that murderous former KGB Colonel that fug who r runs the Russian Federation you will negotiate now or the
• 29:00 - 29:30 aid that we have given to Ukraine thus far will look like peanuts that's how he will force those gentlemen to come to an arrangement that stops the Bloodshed who whoever that was is insane completely insane has he been appointed to the russan to the Trump Administration yeah he's he's going to he's going to be a senior director for
• 29:30 - 30:00 counterterrorism well the guy is a complete insane Maniac you'll get the whole world blown up I mean if if this is the if these lowgrade morons like that guy or being appointed by the Trump Administration there's no hope I mean this all if if the Russians see that what the hell they going to think why wait on Trump he's already
• 30:00 - 30:30 made himself helpless you can't put people in office like that and expect to overcome the serious problems that the United States and NATO have brought to the world Russia is not responsible for the Ukraine conflict it was
• 30:30 - 31:00 orchestrated by the United States it was United States that overthrew the Democratic elected government in Ukraine that imposed the Neo-Nazi regime that that deceived Putin for eight years with the Minsk agreement while the United States build up an army to send into Don Bas to reconquer the Breakaway Republics Putin had
• 31:00 - 31:30 no alternative than to go to the protection of the Russian people and donbas you know all donbas was part of Russia during the Soviet era when there was no difference between Russia and Ukraine it was all the Soviet Union for political and administrative reasons Soviet leaders attached
• 31:30 - 32:00 donbas to Ukraine and then later in 1956 kof attached crier to Ukraine crime had been a part of Russia for three centuries the Russians took it from the the Muslims I think in 1700 so the these are this is a r Russian culture they speak the Russian language
• 32:00 - 32:30 they're Russian people and you can't expect Putin to stand aside while they're slaughtered he made every effort to get a Mutual Security agreement with the West remember the end of 2021 the beginnings of 2022 he and lavro were doing everything they could with Washington with NATO with the European Union to get a Mutual Security
• 32:30 - 33:00 agreement he got the cold shoulder this entire conflict is entirely the fault of Washington the Russians have no responsibility for this this was the neoconservatives in pursuit of their agenda of world hegemony thinking if they start a war there and they drag Putin
• 33:00 - 33:30 into it that will undermine him at home and he will lose power and they will be able to break up the Russian Federation just like they broke up the Soviet Union that's the origin of this whole conflict and and there's no recognition of this the Western People the rest leaders they've created a false
• 33:30 - 34:00 narrative and now they believe their own propaganda and you have this utterly ignorant fool the frch foreign minister saying oh we have to stop the Russians in donbas they'll take all of Europe I mean they're victims of their own lives so you can see it I think it's going to be extremely difficult to do to
• 34:00 - 34:30 avoid the utter destruction of the world it's the Russians are not going to surrender and if the West can't see its way to come to terms because it's a victim of its own lies there can be no agreement to avoid war you
• 34:30 - 35:00 know the West will test the waters they'll fire the missiles further they'll hit Moscow there won't be any more patience from Putin people need to understand this is extremely serious the whole thing has been completely misrepresented the people people have no idea of the insanity and total stupidity
• 35:00 - 35:30 of their leaders you know we've got US senators they're ready to go to war with Russia China and Iran at the same time I mean what are they thinking they going to win I mean and in this clip you just showed whoever this was was I mean the guy Ain got enough sense to justify his
• 35:30 - 36:00 existence he's a threat to life on Earth if these are Trump appoes it's over with it's finished I mean Putin's wasting his time being patient here here is what he said about the Middle East po Administration swing tring uh sanctions that brought the
• 36:00 - 36:30 regime practically to the brink of economic collapse and that's when the people can take over in the meantime oh yeah the international Court of human rights has put out a warrant for BP Netanyahu and his Minister of Defense because chws right choose how interesting that the Arab wife of George cloy was heavily involved in that decision the left they're the anti-semites no no no no sorry they're
• 36:30 - 37:00 the true haters just look at the cuses Across America look at the squad We Stand By You Israel do what needs to be done especially when it comes to the bigger spots of State terrorism Iran God bless tune in today amazing he wants to war he wants a war with Iran he wants a war with Russia if they cannot abide by what Donald Trump wants them to do and at the end of the
• 37:00 - 37:30 day we're hoping that Donald Trump going to come out of this because these people who are going to talk are going to give him the way that they're thinking they're going to it's unbelievable how he's picking these people who's the responsible Paul in your opinion for picking these people net you are you sure what is this guy's name what's this guy's name Sebastian
• 37:30 - 38:00 Gorka what Sebastian Gorka he's a British uh Hungarian and naturalized American and and Trump has appointed him to what position senior director for counterterrorism this it's insanity
• 38:00 - 38:30 and it convinces me that there's no hope in the trumpet Administration that that does it that somebody that insane and ignorant this the ignorance is overwhelming and Trump appoints him there's no hope because there just no there's no hope I
• 38:30 - 39:00 mean you know it looks worse than the Biden idiots and I didn't think anybody could be as crazy as they are or as mentally insane I mean how can you have a secretary of state and a national security advisor who despite the Russian government telling you you send missiles into Russia you're at
• 39:00 - 39:30 war with us and then they go ahead and send the missiles I mean this is insanity and no same person could make that decision two two people decide to take the West to war with Russia well who do they think they are they're playing with the lives of
• 39:30 - 40:00 humanity I I mean I think this is beyond evil I mean it's so sick and vile there's no realization of reality we you see look NE we this is a serious situation the entire leadership
• 40:00 - 40:30 of the entire Western world is in total denial of reality so how can there be any hope I I think right now the leaders yeah go ahead there's not one word of this in the print TV media NPR you know there are a few programs like yours like the judge
• 40:30 - 41:00 nepan um there are a handful of online journalists that's it the leadership I was talking with professor mirandi in Iran the leadership in Iran is so confused because right before 2024 presidential election Trump had an interview I think I played a clip of him talking about Iran he said the only concern he has about Iran is the
• 41:00 - 41:30 nuclear program of Iran and if the concern is the nuclear program he wants some sort of negotiation some sort of agreement on the nuclear program of Iran when the leadership look at the leadership in Russia they're talking about negotiation for more than two years of this conflict every time they're talking about negotiations not the Western countries they're losing the Western countries are losing in Ukraine and they're not accepting any sort of negotiations and
• 41:30 - 42:00 right now they're totally confused with this new Administration everybody when you look at the administration it's a variety of people who are totally against Russia China Iran Middle East let's go to war and how what's the change to Washington who's going to change the policies in Washington it doesn't look like anyone no one's going to change it and I think
• 42:00 - 42:30 once it's clear to Putin that no one's going to change it he's run out of patience and the Western world is not a military match for Russia China Iran it's it's hopeless and um unless Putin's who itarian concerns overwhelm him and cause
• 42:30 - 43:00 him to make a strategic blunda he could probably Wipe Out the United States before the missiles could be fired um these these new missiles can be fired from subs off the coast in one or two minutes there wouldn't be any American icbms left um it's not it's it's like I say these people are insane they
• 43:00 - 43:30 don't accept reality they are lost in lies and and Miss they think they're Invincible uh there's a huge amount of huis and arrogance uh it's incomprehensible it's incomprehensible and where where are leaders you see assuming uh T abot can get pointed as a
• 43:30 - 44:00 National Intelligence director I me assuming which is unclear what can she do yes surrounded by all these people and on the other hand we can hope on what we can hope on is Donald Trump's ability to fire people I think that would be a game changer all of you know what they're going to do is
• 44:00 - 44:30 convince him that he has to be the tough guy and that it's the tough guy who wins the argument I mean Trump already thinks that you know the art of the deal um his excuse for for appointing uh people who are hostile to our opponents is that it intimidates the opponents and makes them more readily come to a deal well if he thinks he's going to
• 44:30 - 45:00 intimidate Putin crazy or China or Iran for that matter it's not going to happen and it's just going to get the world blown up we're all going to be blown up because of these idiots these criminally insane sick vile
• 45:00 - 45:30 people who are playing Russian roulee with nuclear weapons you know what really disturbs me neyar is that when when blinkin and this National Security or Sullivan I think his name is when they gave the goahead uh
• 45:30 - 46:00 for the missiles to be fired into Russia no one said hey look what are you doing committing the world a nuclear war you would have thought that leaders of governments all over the world would have been protesting you would have thought every newspaper every TV station everything would have said what are you doing you're committing the world and nuclear war didn't you don't you understand what Putin told you what are you doing what and there's
• 46:00 - 46:30 not a word no one protested no one protested two lowgrade morons starting war with Russia well where's the hope maybe Donald Trump can bring it with his people been fired these people who are not he'll have to fire almost
• 46:30 - 47:00 all his appointments I mean the first time he appointed all his enemies so he couldn't do anything the second time he's appointed every warmonga you can think of well how do you get peace when your government was composed of warmongers I mean these people are worse than
• 47:00 - 47:30 neoconservatives you know you think about it may probably we better off with Victoria newand it's just really I mean I don't expect to live much longer and I don't mean just because of my age I mean with these people going to be the government and Putin sitting there waiting to
• 47:30 - 48:00 see if things will change how can they change the guy the guy you ran those clips on I mean and all the rest they want to go to war with the ran and you know look uh just the other day the Washington Post Gran an editorial I think I wrote about it and the editorial says that
• 48:00 - 48:30 um um failing to uh keep donbas in Ukraine would be worse than going to a nuclear war well how can it be worse what can be worse than going to
• 48:30 - 49:00 nuclear war I mean and they rate this and they talk about it'll make us look weak so looking weak is worse than having a nuclear war and this is what the Washington Post own editors wrote so people say oh nothing's going to happen nothing's going to of course something's going to happen
• 49:00 - 49:30 oh I'm sorry I agreed to this interview I'm so damn upset I'm gonna go have to have a couple of more [Laughter] teenis thank you so much Paul for being with us today great pleasure as always Happy Thanksgiving well maybe somebody will catch on let let's keep our fingers crossed okay let's hope for a better future
• 49:30 - 50:00 by byee hey Nea send me the URL yeah I'm gonna send it to you okay byee