TG 1752: The Gaggle Talks To Kevork Almassian

Summary

In this episode of 'The Gaggle Talks,' hosts Peter and George discuss the complex political situation in Syria with their guest, Kevork Almassian. The conversation delves deep into the recent advances of rebel forces, including the capture of key Syrian cities like Aleppo and Hama, and the implications for the country's future. They explore the involvement of international players such as Turkey, Israel, France, and the U.S., as well as the strategic use of technology and resources by these powers. Almassian provides insights into the geopolitical motives at play and the potential outcomes for Syria, including a possible disintegration into different regions.

Highlights

• Aleppo and Hama have recently fallen into the hands of rebel forces, a crucial development in the Syrian conflict. 🏴
• The role of international powers, including Turkey, Israel, and France, is significant in shaping the war's outcome. 🌐
• Advanced technologies, such as GPS-guided drones, are being used by international forces to support rebels. 🎮
• The geopolitical motives behind the conflict aim to reshape the future of Syria and potentially lead to its Balkanization. 📜
• Foreign fighters, including those from Turkey and funded by Qatar, are pivotal in the ongoing battles. 💥
• The strategic interests of global powers are fueling the conflict, with impacts expected across the entire Middle East. 🌪️
• Kevork Almassian warns of the potential for Syria's collapse and the dire consequences for the region. ⚠️

Key Takeaways

• The capture of Aleppo and Hama by rebel forces marks a significant shift in Syria's political landscape. 🏙️
• Turkey, Israel, and France are key players in the current Syrian conflict, with Turkey making aggressive advancements. 🤝
• The conflict has significant geopolitical implications, affecting not just Syria but the entire Middle East region. 🌍
• There is a possibility of Syria's fragmentation or balkanization, potentially redrawing the map of the country. 🗺️
• International powers are using advanced technology and strategic resources to influence the conflict's outcome. 🤖
• The involvement of foreign fighters and contract armies highlights the conflict's complex nature. ⚔️
• The situation in Syria is precarious, with potential repercussions for the broader geopolitical landscape in the Middle East. 🔥

Overview

In this gripping episode, 'The Gaggle Talks' dives into the heart of chaos unfolding in Syria. Joined by the astute Kevork Almassian, Peter and George dissect how the recent fall of Aleppo and Hama to rebel forces symbolizes a seismic shift in the country's power dynamics. 🤔

Almassian sheds light on the instrumental roles played by international powers like Turkey, Israel, and France, exposing the strategic maneuvers underpinning the conflict. He highlights how advanced warfare technologies are being harnessed to facilitate the rebels' march—a modern war chessboard with high stakes. 🎲

The discussion also touches on the grim possibility of Syria disintegrating into fragmented regions, a scenario fraught with complexities and potential for widespread regional destabilization. It's a narrative of covert operations and visible power struggles that could redefine Middle Eastern geopolitics for years to come. 📚

TG 1752: The Gaggle Talks To Kevork Almassian Transcription

• 00:00 - 00:30 hello and welcome to the gagle what we Challenge and if necessary destroy media narratives I'm George Samu with me today of course is co-founder of the Gaggle Peter lavel and we are very fortunate uh to have um as our special guest somebody who has appeared a number of times on the Gaggle before so political analyst um Kor almasian uh who runs you know outstanding blog and um this is clearly with with what's going on in um is
• 00:30 - 01:00 absolutely the right time to talk to Kor so welcome Kor and um quite a lot of things have happened really in in recent days so few days ago we had Aleppo Syria's Second City uh falling to the uh the rebels and now um we have Hammer that's apparently Fallen to the rebels and Hammer Of course has a special place in in Syrian history that was the scene of a terrible fighting in
• 01:00 - 01:30 1982 um and even during the the recent um fighting in the Years 2012 to 2015 hamama did not fall to the rebel so hamama is now apparently fallen and it seems like um the rebels are Marching onto um homes and U if if of course they take homes then the uh the situation for the Damascus government becomes very powerless so I wonder if you could just fill us in work as to where we are at
• 01:30 - 02:00 the moment and then we can talk a little bit about the background to as to what had happened and then look to the Future so where are we kort actually we are in a situation where I think the outcome of this war is going to shape the future of Syria for 100 years and we could completely see a different Syria we could see um ayria which is emerging Victorious which is very unplausible
• 02:00 - 02:30 under such circumstances complete victory has become really really difficult or we could see the balkanization of Syria because it seems that one of the uh goals of erdogan is to separate the Syrian Coast from the rest of Syria and the pattern of the movement of the militants from hamama to hes and trying to seal uh the coast basically from the rest of Syria indicates that um they're going to give give the option for the
• 02:30 - 03:00 people in the coast where they see that this area is has a big uh Alo white and Christian population that you have the choice either to uh have a certain level of autonomy but subjugate under our rule or they could even open a sectarian war against them um and that is also a plausible scenario and it seems also from the movement of the militants from hamama to HS and trying to seal the the
• 03:00 - 03:30 let's say the borders of the coast they also trying to seal the borders with Lebanon so by sealing the borders with Lebanon means that they are achieving the military goal of uh Israel and the US which they wanted to achieve to political means first with Assad a few weeks ago the foreign minister of Jordan was in Damascus and he delivered an American Israeli message that um they expect from Syria to participate in the fire agreement by encircling hisbah and
• 03:30 - 04:00 cutting the supply chains of hisbah and if if Assad does that then the Americans will try to open up again to Assad or try to lift some of the sanctions and Assad rejected it so they're doing it now with the proxy Army on the ground in Syria trying to cut the supply chains of hisbah which means degrading and weakening hisbah on the long run and this also means that in the context of the Palestine conflict that the Palestinian cause will be completely gone it's it's vanished it's it's done
• 04:00 - 04:30 if if Syria is gone Palestine is gone forever and I'm sure that many pundits aren't being very honest about this case especially those uh tin tankers uh who say that this is a liberation of the Syrian people this is a geopolitical conflict and we have to be honest with the audience I mean um if if you're honest this is why I respect Trump that he says we're there to take the oil but I don't respect the Democrats because this democratic elements in the
• 04:30 - 05:00 establishment they fool The People Under democracy human rights banners and what they are doing basically they establishing an Islamic State in Syria and by establishing an Islamic State in Syria um they also give the justification for Israel to become a Jewish State um on the entire Palestinian territory if the neighbors are Islamic States why not Israel is a Jewish state it will be normalized so from whichever side you see it seems that has been a mutual ground between
• 05:00 - 05:30 erdogan and Israel in this case and they have went into action my sources in Syria say the the most three involved powers in this are turkey uh Israel and France those are the three powerful countries involved in this uh operation now in Syria behind them we have Qatar and the United States Qatar is feling the money for this militants because the militants are contra this is a contract Army basically it this is is not like a
• 05:30 - 06:00 conscript people go and volunteer no they their job is to fight and they have a lavish lifestyle they have um uh monthly income with Turkish L and they have the best gear and the best equipment now people could where is where is all this gear coming from Turkey of course all the all the gear is from Turkey but there is more than that now the the front lines in alipo and Hama crumbled due to multiple factors
• 06:00 - 06:30 one of which was the Drone attacks the Drone attacks were not simple drone attacks those were GPS guided very clear and they targeted senior officers in the Syrian military which means they have infiltrated the Syrian ranks and they know the locations and they targeted them in the most precise way and the drones were supplied by the Ukrainian intelligence and this is the even KV post which is a pro Ukrainian uh website they say that this is the
• 06:30 - 07:00 second thing that played an instrumental role was the jamming of the Syrian communication so one of the reasons why Syrian Army withdrew and retreated from Aleppo because they lost the communication just like the Israelis did uh tried to did and sometimes did with hisbah in in Lebanon and communication is key for any military to attack defense Retreat redeploy everything basically in hamama the military uh gave an order for retreat and there were
• 07:00 - 07:30 units in Northern Hammer they didn't even receive the order because the the communication was jammed and they realized that they were on the front line against the militants whereas their superiors were retreating so there has been a big military intelligence and scop operations against the Syrian military of course uh supported by the Qatari Outlets all the Qatari Outlets are now in Syria and they are like they're marching with the um the alqaeda terrist basically and giving them the
• 07:30 - 08:00 media cover and worse still they have satellite internet which means somebody is giving them satellite internet who is that is it Elon Musk is it Starling is it like what is it because the Syrian military we have uh fans and colleagues uh journalists on the front lines and if I send them a WhatsApp message they receive it if I send it now they receive it tonight like the internet is unstable it's cut most of the time but the militants have uh their doing live
• 08:00 - 08:30 streaming basically and they are posting high quality videos which indicates that they also have satellite internet so all these factors and who's sorry who who Who's providing that satellite in Qatar um I mean we don't know who is giving them exactly but it's possible Starling is at play because uh in um so I it I tried to check in if Starling Works in Syria in the past and well mean if Al jazer is any indication it seems to me from qar
• 08:30 - 09:00 okay yeah that's that's very possible but I mean this was few months ago I wanted to know if starlink Works in Syria for personal purposes and I started digging into blogs and reading and I realized that there are many American soldiers in their Resort they use Starling uh as as as an internet but so if it if it if there is a starling internet in their Resort it could be possible that Starling also works now on in Hama or homes or in Aleppo and they
• 09:00 - 09:30 could turn it on and turn it off if they want to and the serami doesn't have these uh capabilities anyways so they are multiple factors and I think this is going to um require um massive participation from the Allies which I don't see signals from the Allies Iran and Russia um like I don't see caros of mil militants or weapons are arriving to to Syria basically
• 09:30 - 10:00 it seems that they still believe that they could meet with the Turkish foreign minister tomorrow I think uh on Saturday or so with um in Doha I don't believe that a deal is now possible with erdogan not because I don't believe in a deal because erdogan feels he's emboldened he occupied Aleppo he occupied hamama he's marching to homes why would he negotiate if he's capable of moving to Damascus uh for uh God forbidden and if that is the case then uh thousands of soldiers from Iran
• 10:00 - 10:30 Lebanon or Iraq are not enough and the syan I think people people ask this question and they right right to ask because people are also buff how the Syrian Army uh crumbled and I already explained some of the factors but there is also the human human factor the Syrian Army um when they started in 2011 there were many soldiers who gained massive experience during the conflict and and they stayed in the Syrian
• 10:30 - 11:00 military for 12 years around 12 years but at the end when the SOI agreements came in in force Assad started dispatching the old Soldiers I mean this is a um Syrian Army is based on a conscription people go to serve the military so you're not like a contract militant you're not like the al-Qaeda Fighters receiving monthly salaries and you go there voluntarily no you have to serve in the military so someone fighting for 12 years gained lots of experience and Assad sent these soldiers
• 11:00 - 11:30 all home and brought new younger generation into the army this milit this new conscripts they are not match to uh militants who are ideologically driven they want to Die For A Cause whatever the cause is they have massive support from a NATO country and theyve been training day and night as their job this is like a full-time job for them to train so this is the result nowadays that um I think that
• 11:30 - 12:00 the Russian participation would be vital but Russia says if homes Falls they will Evacuate the Russian Embassy what does that mean means that they don't believe that Damascus can survive if hums Falls and that is true because if hums Falls means that Syria cannot import first fuel from Iran from the port to distribute it to its Army so they cannot even operate their military any longer secondly homes connects all the uh governorates of Syria together to
• 12:00 - 12:30 different routes once they occupy homes um I say this with a heavy heart 90% it's going to be that they can go to Damascus so it's now it's now it's the time now to act if Iran and Russia want to save their interests in Syria otherwise they're going to lose Syria to Turkey and turkey I don't think then that means something that George and I have been
• 12:30 - 13:00 talking about for a very long time is that after October 7th it was debating what side you're on this is the time to solve all problems forever and I was hoping the resistance would do that but they're not do you want my controversial opinion George what is I mean I'm taking on board everything you said and I you're one of the best out there in my opinion I've heard a lot of garbage over the last few days from
• 13:00 - 13:30 so-call experts okay George knows who I mean um the the the resistance is over it's done my controversial opinion is and I saved it for myself because I didn't want to um it's very polarizing to speak about what happened on October 7 because um people directly say Kor is a Zionist and Kor is this and that and I supported the Palestinian cause since I opened my eyes to politics right and I when I when
• 13:30 - 14:00 I used to go to the PO Palestine demonstrations all this gen Z and Jen I don't know what they didn't even they weren't even born so I was all in for the Palestine cause but what happened on October 7 I it doesn't underestimate what happened and the planning but I believe it was let it happen even the Israelis knew that it is going to happen and they let it happen and they enacted the Hannibal directive to kill as many Israel as possible this was the opportunity for them to present it as
• 14:00 - 14:30 the 9/11 of Israel and this attack led to genocide basically in Gaza and completely anelia the all infrastructure in the Gaza shrip completely so Gaza is in inhabit uninhabitable at the current moment so nobody can come and say that the Palestinians emerg Victorious because victory means Collective Victory it's the victory of the people I don't think the Palestinians now consider this a victory when uh they're homeless or everyone is homeless they don't have
• 14:30 - 15:00 clean water they don't have anything basically and I'm not blaming them I'm of course blaming Israel but when we speak about a victory we have to present something that you gained against your enemy and they didn't gain anything and this led into um hisbah intervening in support of the Palestinians because the Israelis know that once Hamas attacks and they go into a genocidal war against the Palestinians it's impossible for hisb not to intervene and everybody in the
• 15:00 - 15:30 region will say but you went to Syria to fight against this the Syrian people but now you don't support the Palestinians you know this they knew that this pressure is going to happen onah andah intervened and it paid its entire leadership after October 7 if anybody thinks that Hassan nah or this leadership can be replaced they are delusional's leader was was a mastermind someone who he was the like the key for
• 15:30 - 16:00 the for all hisbah doors and once he's gone the people of hisbah the community who support him they feel like they are orphans now and they lost the the father figure and they feel like the the guy who was an asp inspiration for them is gone so the spiritually they don't feel like they are victorious you can see on the media they say we're immersed Victorious this and that but I believe that the access of resistance is not in a better position now than it used to be before October 7 so um uh because the
• 16:00 - 16:30 Israelis also know that so they sent the letter to Assad like you're in a bad position you have to compromise and Assad didn't want to push hisbah under the bus and said no and now the timing came for erdogan and Israeli intelligence to see a window of opportunity in Syria and destabilize the country and Israeli Army says that if HS Falls they will go inside Syria and create another buffer zone beyond the Goen Heights so it's it's clear the indications what are they trying to do
• 16:30 - 17:00 in the country so I don't blame the enemy because the enemy is like what do you expect from the enemy to treat you well of course not I blame the people uh those who who say that they're Anti-Imperialist the people who say they uh opposing this Us hemony in the region and they all are now supporting us imperialism in the region and because they don't like Assad you know they put this lens of NE American neoliberal lens it's like Assad bad Rebels good Putin
• 17:00 - 17:30 bad zinski good you know this very simplistic stupid lens that they put on the region and dividing the countries between democracies and tyrannies like jolani is now the Democrat you know like the CNN sits with him and he is the pro diversity guy and next year he is the pro LGBT community guy you know like the amount of PR they doing it's quite clear who is behind it those are the Democrats doing this this is the Dem ratic wing of
• 17:30 - 18:00 the establishment whitewashing um these Al-Qaeda Fanatics they are the ones who started this war in Syria and once now they they're trying because they they will leave eventually in a few weeks they're ending the job before Trump comes to power because Trump said he will withdraw from Syria what are you doing are you going to withdraw from Syria we are in Syria because we want to stop the Reconstruction because we want to strangle the economy so that this situation starts you can't withdraw from from Syria so we have to finish the job
• 18:00 - 18:30 now before Trump comes to power because we cannot allow withdrawal of forces and allow Assad to recover once he recovers he will also will recover and ifah recovers the excess of resistance will continue they are determined to end the access of resistance therefore it's time now for them to act in Syria in a bold way something that probably shocked many people it didn't shock me at all I predicted it two months ago and I said it many many times it's going to happen
• 18:30 - 19:00 this is going to happen and I don't know how the how the decision makers in Damascus didn't see this coming like it was so clear the amount of pressure they put on Damascus about this ceasefire agreement and cutting the supply chains what did you expect them to do if you say no like say okay he said no no they will act can can Damascus recover from this I mean because I mean in total what you've said here I mean Syria as we knew it is gone and it's not going to come back anytime soon if
• 19:00 - 19:30 ever I think the worst case scenario is already happening at the current moment in Syria and I'm saying this with a heavy heart you know that I wish that every win as Syria would be liberated and I believed in this cause and now that I see the new realities it seems that um the only hope Syria has at the current moment is to keep the borders intact in homes if homes is gone then we expect crumbling uh bigger crumbling in Syria and this is happening on the
• 19:30 - 20:00 popular level before the political level because the people are demoralized now they lost the the faith and and the trust that they can recover their territory and this is worse than the demoralization of the political Elite because if you don't have the people in your back because where is the Army coming from it's from the people right so means the military will also be demoralized unless a miracle happens and the Russians and the Iranians dump
• 20:00 - 20:30 you will need at least 20 to 40,000 soldiers now in Syria to push this militants away from homes so what about liberating Aleppo if you have a plan to liberate Aleppo later stage you will need tens of thousands of uh well- trained soldiers because you know there's something many people do not know in the past few years they were asking Assad to compromise and he was compromising he was giving president Cal pardons for the political prisoners and
• 20:30 - 21:00 for the refugees who committed crimes but didn't kill people and to return to Syria and he was dispatching the uh old Soldiers Home making changes in the country but in this discourse he wanted to change the military from conscription military service into professional Army like it's like a volunteer you go and serve in in the military as a volunteer so he was in the transition of changing the the country's military from conscription into professional army or
• 21:00 - 21:30 like um voluntary Fighters and during this time they have attacked Syria and they say they were surprised by by this attack but K I mean just going back to um turkey and there have been a lot of um media reports that erdogan had um sought to um work out an agreement with um Assad I mean the the two-fold agreement which is take back some of these refugees he's 3.6 million refugees
• 21:30 - 22:00 in Turkey so take some of them back and basically deal with the Kurdish issue you know get you know break your alliance with the Kurds and so the media report oh well Assad just kept saying no to um erdogan said no you got to just got to leave the country you know understandable he said leave the country is that what you finding out as well that erdogan was making these offers to Assad and Assad kept turning him down so what I'm saying now is information and not analysis my information which I'm
• 22:00 - 22:30 highly confident of it is uh Assad received several offers from erdogan to meet with him in different places including Russia including in Riad last time he was offered was in Riyad this was few weeks ago uh Assad's only precondition which I don't consider it a precondition I think there has to be a formula a stable ground for you to stand on if you want to go to political process and Assad told erdogan multiple times that what he
• 22:30 - 23:00 needs is only verbal commitment to Russia and or Iraq the mediators that eventually at the end of the political process and Reconciliation he will withraw his forces from Syria and he rejected to do that and Assad said there is no point of meeting then with you unless you will withdraw from the country if you don't withdraw from the country why uh do we meet and erdogan said that the reason I'm not committing because I want to create a security belt in the north to send the refugees to
• 23:00 - 23:30 these places and the government said if that is the case we need you and also the Arabic countries to talk to the Americans to ease the sanctions so that we can reconstruct some of these places to receive the refugees if our economy is in tatters and the Americans have the oil and we have hyperinflation in the country we cannot really take care of 3.5 million refugees coming from Turkey so there are serious issues to be dealt TW it with before meeting uh with
• 23:30 - 24:00 erdogan meeting between Assad with erdogan is like when the cake is ready and you put the cherry on top it's not like it doesn't come at the beginning it comes at the end this is how presidents meet but erdogan was trying to take this meeting as a photo op with Assad to say to his people that oh we have economic problems I understand but see I'm meeting with Assad and we will send the refugees back this is what he intended on doing and Assad didn't want to give him that the second second thing that is happening with erdogan and many people
• 24:00 - 24:30 do not know that the Syrian intelligence and the Turkish intelligence were unre they were meeting regularly in kesab kesab is on the borders between turkey and Syria on a neutral territory and they were discussing all these details so why would erdogan do this when there were active talks between both sides so erdogan gave the impression that he's interested in reconciliation and he was talking to Assad like even hak fidan and the foreign minister of Syria they met
• 24:30 - 25:00 and so there were talks between them and now erdogan um betrayed uh Russia betrayed Iran and also uh I don't want to say Syria because he wasn't even a friend of us but what happened is basically he alarmed everyone in the region now Sai see him as a threat uh the Emir and he's seen as Israel's Ally yes he seems as but but the makeup and the amount of propaganda pushed in the
• 25:00 - 25:30 press that he is here to save the Syrian people it masks the real reason why he is in Syria and the like don't underestimate the the strength of the stupid people in big numbers and the and I assure you just like we say to the many American people do not know what's happening around the world I can assure you most people in our region do not know what's happening even in their region and how they are fooled by this they are giving
• 25:30 - 26:00 now their country to erdogan like after 400 years of occupation they restored the Neo Ottomans to their country and they betrayed their grandparents whe When when they fought against the ottoman occupation and they liberated themselves and these people call me a a traitor because they say you stand against the syan people no you stand against your grandparents Legacy your grandparents fought against Ottoman Empire and now you're bringing back NE ottomanism to our country and you're
• 26:00 - 26:30 raising the Turkish flag over the Aleppo Citadel that's the Betrayal these people do not understand what are they doing they are changing the course of history in Syria and this is going to be the end of the Levant as we know it the uh Syria will become another hatti Province like it was turkified before Syria is going to be like that and worse still you are not going to see levantine Christianity any longer and that is important because Christianity comes from the Levant and I
• 26:30 - 27:00 started to believe in the conspiracy theory that the decision makers in the US and Israel they hate the Christians so much that they want to destroy the birthplace of Jesus Christ and destroy the true teachings of Christianity and replace it with Zionist Christianity and once this HDs people occupy Syria the Americans will be will come and say we're good-hearted and we will open for you Refugee status like they did in
• 27:00 - 27:30 Canada and this is something many people do not know when when Aleppo was occupied and the most of the Armenians and Christians fled the city to uh beut the the can Canadian Canadian NGO of course with ties with the Canadian government they opened resettlement policy only for the Christians of Syria and tens of thousands of Christians of Syria they you apply and three months you go to can and you become resident of Canada not
• 27:30 - 28:00 even a refugee status this was a soft ethnic cleansing of the Christians of Syria and they will do it again now and tell us like we are the Savior you know we destroyed your country and now we open Refugee positions for you and you come to our countries This Is How They will empty the Christians and the other minorities from the region just like they did in Iraq this is not some miscalculation that they say oops it was a mistake this is calculated if you repeat the same mistake twice it means it is deliberate and it's not some sort
• 28:00 - 28:30 of a miscalculation are you going as far to say that turkey will Annex some of these areas yes I I I 100% believe that at least turkey will Annex alipo aaz Alo and and for that they will turn to Blind Eye to Israel expanding its um uh presence beyond the Golan going further towards Damascus that's exactly what the isra is saying will do that they will
• 28:30 - 29:00 create a new buffer zone and rest assured if we put the map of control in front of us why the Americans occupy the alter border crossing they control the alter border crossing for two reasons one they want to cut the Syrian routes with Iraq and Iran so the syrians had to open an alternative route in bukamal but that's very exposed and they keep bombing them and second they were giving the intelligence and logistical support for the day when the day comes of the Israeli incursion into Syria to seal the
• 29:00 - 29:30 borders the Americans will move to the southwest and they will the American forces will assist the Israelis to conquer at least sueda where the Jews uh uh live and they will say they are brothers with the golen height Drews and they will just merge them in the society this is another there's going to be another occupation of Syria in the South and they will swallow the Jews into the Israeli Society I'm highly confident that this is the plan and we've been
• 29:30 - 30:00 warning about it for a long time people called us just paranoid conspiracy theorist but it's clear you just need to put the map in front of you and understand why Americans are here but not there like it's like of course there is a reason why they are stationed there and people will keep telling no the Americans are in t border crossing to protect the refugees you know they think we're stupid somehow that they are uh harboring the refugees and giving giving them protection from
• 30:00 - 30:30 Assad yeah so so you basically do think that Israel wants to Annex additional territory in inside Syria in in addition to the Goan Heights if it depends on the military situation in the country if the militants uh advance in homes uh yes and now the militants in the south in Dara uh who were part of the reconciliation process which they some of them they laid down their arms others were given you know you can manage your own Affairs
• 30:30 - 31:00 we don't intervene in your own Affairs stay you have some light weapons and they now carrying the weapons again and they cut the highway with Damascus so they're trying to strangle the country from the north and from the south and this is quite clear that this is an intelligence work this is not like some spontaneous rebell Rebel all of a sudden they act been activated well then what legi legitimacy does Assad have anymore I mean I mean the legitimacy of Assad
• 31:00 - 31:30 it's it's outn the military operation in the country if Assad with stands and pushes back pushes them back from hes to Hama again and put a plan because we don't have a plan for counter offensive this this may sound idealistic but it's still possible to push the militants again to the north of hamama it is still possible if an aerial bombardment starts now and elates them because the highway is full of them with tanks and
• 31:30 - 32:00 artilleries and the pickup tracks so if there is an active air Air Force now they can obliterate them if they want to so this a Syrian Air Force or is it going to be Russian Air Force Russ Russian Russian Russian Air Force if the Russians Now activate their Air Force in a like bold way and anate them like they did with these Isis uh oil tankers when they were taking all the to Turkey in 2015 2016
• 32:00 - 32:30 they can they can push them back to the north of hamama but if they don't do it then there has to be a com I think that if if the situation goes to a place where they incircle Damascus there could be a political settlement to you know whatever is coming going to come next but I'm still saying it is possible to foil this project uh through military means but it will take a bold decision by Russia and Iran and if my sense on that is and this is my own personal
• 32:30 - 33:00 opinion the Russians have to be given a plan that can work yes if it they say they're not all the pieces there're they're not going to have a major intervention like they did in 2015 if they think that they can't succeed it's as simple as that they need a good plan and they'll do it but if there's no good plan yes but if they don't do it George they will lose their presence in
• 33:00 - 33:30 Syria there is no way these militants are going to allow the Russian forces to operate fre in the country and for Russia this is vital interest to have an access to the Mediterranean and also the access between the Mediterranean and the Black Sea in addition to the Qatari gas pipeline that they want to extend through turkey to to Europe so for Russia on the long run this is also vital interest uh I think that if there was um an intention of intervention of this scale at least there would be now
• 33:30 - 34:00 constant meetings between the Syrian and the Russian security and military personnel something that is not happening right which is sending the signal in Syria that the people that's why the people are paranoid because they don't see that this type of meetings are happening and decisions are made and press conferences um when um La was asked by Tucker what does he think about what's happening in Syria he didn't show hostility for example to Turkey like he was calling them terrorists these people
• 34:00 - 34:30 but it doesn't look like they were like on a um confrontation or they're going to challenge the Turkish approach think with that interview George and I exchanged messages here that's Pro Our Guest is absolutely right that was the only thing that I thought was it didn't ring right okay because the rest of it was for those of us whove been following and Tucker didn't ask anything extraordinary and lro didn't say anything extraordinary in return except for on that point and it was just passed over was very odd but maybe it's telling
• 34:30 - 35:00 yeah one other thing K work I was I was going to you you mentioned about a political settlement and that's what I was wondering is there now a likelihood that um Bashar alassad will step down in other he says okay um I'm I'm stepping down it's time for some kind of a whatever government of national Unity constitutional conference whatever and then how does the United States respond how does how does does the United States s say okay well if he's gone maybe we
• 35:00 - 35:30 can talk about lifting sanctions could that be that be the option that well at least if he lives who is going to take over the something will be done for Syria yeah but what is the military force that can replace the military it's the HTS so basically the president is going to be at least accepted by HDs right so if he leaves um I I've been following president bashar's um let's say personal ity for quite some time and I think he is uh he
• 35:30 - 36:00 wouldn't compromise under such pressure he's not someone who would uh um humiliate his um Legacy in in Syria like this like um if I want to think about the worst case scenario I would think of what happened to Gaddafi you know he's not kind of a personality who when the Isis was 5 kilomet away from his office he was going to office every day and um
• 36:00 - 36:30 his sons were going to schools every day and they could have been killed every day so I don't think that that is possible now um for him to just leave and go and if he wanted to leave at the beginning for example when again for 70% of the country was gone and they offered him Asylum oh go just go out take billions and go you know he refused to do that so now I think the situation is worse for him um um again we don't know what he spoke with
• 36:30 - 37:00 Putin that's the thing like when they met and they spoke what have they spoken about and why haven't they declared about this meeting like they didn't say anything there was no photos nothing what happened during this few hours of talk in the Kremlin nobody knows but if the the the result the outcome of it was positive I don't think we would have seen the um crumbling of the Syrian forces as Qui as we have seen in different uh front lines and he hasn't
• 37:00 - 37:30 he hasn't given a televised National address I no no no only the defense minister spoke the problem is Syria is a you know the dinosaur like very slow moves and they like uh it's like they don't know how to deal with PR media like communication with the people like like I can do better PR work and scops from my bathroom than the entire C Ministry of information you know like
• 37:30 - 38:00 it's why do they have all these employees what do they do nobody knows like paperwork or something it's like they can't even talk to their people and the people so there is this this is something very important and my father and my friends uh keep telling me in from Syria they say every time we log into our Facebook it's all full of the anti-assad content it's like all the Al jazer and this approved Qatari social media outlets and Turkish social media Outlets they're just popping up in front
• 38:00 - 38:30 of the people's uh timeline which I believe this is deliberate because Facebook has done several experiments pushing certain content to certain geographical locations to see if they can shape the emotional status of the people and I think this is what they're trying to do if a CIA today sends to Facebook and asks Facebook like we have five Outlets we want to push today on these IP addresses in Syria I'm sure Facebook will follow the orders and you will see like my father says every time
• 38:30 - 39:00 I turn on my Facebook I see some militants talking to me like they're coming to liberate me it's like I'm not liking these Pages I'm not part of these groups but they pop up on my timeline and the people are so scared seeing this um kaida bearded people telling them like we're coming to you infidels and we're going to establish Islamic State all the things that you hear in the mainstream press is something and what the militants are talking on in on on the front lines are completely something
• 39:00 - 39:30 else and especially the foreign Fighters the foreign Fighters which speak Turkish Bei tajiki Etc and all saying apparently also Chinese yeah yeah wigers they all speak they all speak of one thing like we are here to establish the rule of God you know Allah they say like this is we're going to make it like a pro Allah these people saw the so idiots but as I said with big numbers and with weapons yeah but you know Peter Peter
• 39:30 - 40:00 Ford George and I talked to him a few days ago and um it was very an interesting conversation it was really enlightening he he he said that the the fighters that are coming from Turkey they want to bring their families back and they they are on board for this Sharia law agenda I mean you know they they because I I pointed out to him I think it was Max Blumenthal that was sending out all of these uh roadside um uh signs and they were all these kind of
• 40:00 - 40:30 really religious messages like women don't go out without your man you know you know it's something that would be very um conservative and uh and you know Peter for said yeah but that's what they want that's what they like yeah that's what they're expecting and and then also the the the amount of looting that's going on and whatnot I mean there um this is a freefor all for people coming um coming back home displace people that are living there so um I I I must admit I was kind of surprised by that so this
• 40:30 - 41:00 is a willing population that wants to return to what they claim as their home to live in a ideological world that there will be no surprises so what is the difference between someone coming from uh the us or Poland and because he was born in a Jewish Family and say um this territory is mine in Palestine and someone is coming from Ching yyang he's a wiger and he came to idlib and and you know how they took over the homes of Christians in ITB they painted the homes
• 41:00 - 41:30 of the Christians with Arabic letter N which means uh nasara or noi meaning like the those are homes of the Christians so it's free it's yours you can take over it and all the homes and the and the these Villages were taken over by these wigers erdogan promised them that he will settle them in haai first and once they arrived they pushed they pushed them to idlib and they established training camps for them basically seven-year-old Wier boy he
• 41:30 - 42:00 goes to the training camp and they turn into the fierce Fighters that we see today and this is all intelligence work this is not some spontaneous thing and copying the example of Afghanistan in Syria it's going to have huge repercussions on Europe This is a Mediterranean Shore Country and the and and and Syria under this torab Bor rule it is going to have a border with Europe which means because these borders are going to be open with turkey and every
• 42:00 - 42:30 time erdogan wants to Blackmail Europe he will send some of these people to Europe he will he did it before and he can do it again and he will blackmail them for financial gains geopolitical cards Etc but it's very possible that we will see more destabilization in Europe because of what's happening in in Syria at the current moment something that European leaders reject to see somehow it's it's crazy that um they have encouraged this for 14 years and now the
• 42:30 - 43:00 end result is going to be like a it's not even a Taliban rule it's alqaeda rule basically on a border with Europe and the shores of Europe as well and this is going to have repercussions in Egypt it's going to have repercussions in other countries so if they want to deal with a Frankenstein an Isis Frankenstein with their sulan erdogan having borders with Europe I think uh the future is looks really Bleak and um this is not even a scare mongering it's
• 43:00 - 43:30 just logic and connecting the dots and seeing the patterns of what erdogan has done in the past you can expect him to do such things but here we go everybody is trying to appease erdogan unfortunately is that is that erdogan's goal is erdogan's goal to take um Damascus is that what does he want he wants he said today he said today he said he just left the mosque because he's a really good uh you know he believes in God and everything and Mah Habibi and he talked to the press and he
• 43:30 - 44:00 said that the he's happy with the advances of the opposition and he expects them to go to Damascus so what the like he's not even hiding it any longer I mean the American intelligence is not trying to hide that erdogan is behind this attack on on on Syria this is a conquest of Syria by by erdogan and um we have presence in Aleppo for a long time you know like Aleppo is also home for a big Armenian community and my
• 44:00 - 44:30 grandparents when they escaped The Armenian Genocide they settled in Aleppo and now this is the second time he's coming like like the same ideology is coming after us you know this is going to be the end of also Christianity in Syria I'm speaking to my friends and beloved ons in Aleppo everybody is telling me just one thing like if you can just anyone just open humanitarian corridors we want to leave like we don't want to stay in alipo any longer we don't care about our Apartments we don't care about our shops and businesses we
• 44:30 - 45:00 just want to leave and leave leave leave go anywhere around the world just not here we don't want to stay here everybody says the same thing to me but the um the likes of uh who was this uh Charles liser and all these pundits in Washington DC who will not live under this Al-Qaeda rule they're assuring me from Washington DC that no no they're liberating us they're liberating us from the Assad tyranny This Is How They portray
• 45:00 - 45:30 it all of the the the outcomes that you were just describing of course there will be no um uh refugees going to Israel I mean it'll go everywhere else yeah so amazing you know we see all amazing chaos I mean things that are we even a week ago or two weeks ago wouldn't have thought about it but is is just you know sitting pretty there all the chaos around us diversity is our
• 45:30 - 46:00 strength in al-Qaeda held areas and also in Europe and in the United States but diversity is our weakness in Israel they don't like diversity there but so but in terms of how this plays out now I mean what you were saying earlier was that if if they take homes then that's pretty much done Damascus really has very little chance of survival and follow up is that well what then what what does Assad do at
• 46:00 - 46:30 that stage if if there's no hope for survival what does he do well you're asking me a$1 million question my friend that's why I'm checking now the map of control over Syria it's still thankfully they have not inside homes and um H what can he do I mean I don't want to be in his shoes and take this decision because this this decision he's going to make is going to impact Syria for the next 100 years and um well maybe
• 46:30 - 47:00 there won't be a Syria we'll just have a uh yeah yeah yeah yeah Ottoman Empire yes yes I think so but this will have its repercussions also on Central Asia I mean erdogan's aspirations goes beyond this it's in the Caucasus it's in Central Asia you have the turkey tribes in Crimea this is going to embolden him nobody has an interest in giving him this uh Sultan status in the region you know he always had that uh megalomaniac uh attitude all the time
• 47:00 - 47:30 and everybody tried to contain him like uh instead of gaining him as an enemy try to deal with him contain him uh try to help him because uh he's uh unpredictable for NATO and for us and that's also uh he also creates some chaos in NATO as well but um when you have when you combine ideology and you have enough people believing in you in the Arabic word and I'm sure that uh many people
• 47:30 - 48:00 who follow the Arabic press and follow the Arabic pollings and people see erdogan as Liberator see him as the sultan something he's they call him the lion of the sunnis you know this is how he is portrayed and remember when Hamas betrayed Syria in 2011 and they decided to side with uh Qatar and turkey they had his picture in in Gaza uh calling him the Liberator of Palestine this is how people think
• 48:00 - 48:30 erdogan is about and this is the to in order to sell the image you have to be a populist you have you have to have an attractive uh ideology plus uh the religion so he knows how to com how to play on these contradictions and an army yeah Army and he knows that the people like this type of populistic talk like he has a big mouth and then he's telling them that he's coming to liberate them from a minority allawi white Rule and
• 48:30 - 49:00 this is something that I want to really explain people think that because Assad is an alawi and everybody is like in his government is an alawi the the reason why the alites had more presence in the military it it it's not about Assad it goes back to the independence of Syria when Syria gained its independence from the French and they want to create a national Army most people didn't want to go and serve in
• 49:00 - 49:30 the military and especially the rich at the middle class and upper middle class Bazi nobody wanted to go and serve in the military and fight so the military created a socialist uh approach saying that if you join the Army we will give you incentives like free rice free bread free education free health care and who is going to join the military are the poor people and most of the poor people were the Christians and the alawites in the mountains who were persecuted by the Ottoman Empire and for a long time and
• 49:30 - 50:00 they went and served in the military and that's why the Bazi class from the Sunni families they used to call the Army the army of the sandals because they didn't have shoes uh uh to wear they were they were poor people and up until this moment because they allowed the minorities to have more presence in the military and who has more presence in the military has more power over politics that's logical so in the 70s Assad LED this coup and he gained the the power but Assad the the father and
• 50:00 - 50:30 the son they were very careful with this U the sectarian let's say sensitivities in the country always the defense minister was a Sunni always the chief of staff is a Sunni prime minister is always a Sunni the the the Minister of Finance is a Sunni like there were certain positions in the military and in religion in the mosque always have to be Sunni because they don't want to give the impression that they are anti Sunni and they are the majority in the country the wife of Assad is a Sunni this is a BS Assad was authoritarian against
• 50:30 - 51:00 everyone those who go against him in politics Sunni Ali Shia Christian doesn't matter Michelle kilo was a Christian was in jail because he was an opposition there were many many alawi political prisoners in Syria because they were running against Assad so he was authoritarian against and had a political oppression but was never about sectarian oppression like uh if you're a
• 51:00 - 51:30 Sunni and if you're loyal to the government you you will have your way up and get into positions it was never sectarian this regime but they made it look like a sectarian so that they can Co collect as many as brainless people from all around the world and bring them to Syria and fight against Assad without this 30% jihadist 30% of the foreign jihadists in HDs they can't they can't Advance all this striking forces against the Syrian Army are the wiggers are the tajis like if you see them talking on
• 51:30 - 52:00 the front lines we need a translator we I'm using my AI programs to understand what the do they want why is he angry what do they want what does what do these people want from Syria whereas Palestine was calling them for one year and were massacred by Israel for a long time nobody went for Jihad against Palestine what does that tell you those are contract armies of the NATO countries period it's over you said earlier that one of the leading um players in all this is France can you
• 52:00 - 52:30 explain because that's the first time I've heard this can you please I just France was was one of the leading players in all of this I hadn't heard that yes because France was one of the engineers of the ceasefire agreement in Lebanon and they have a high expectation to disarm and weaken hisbah so they had high expectations also from Syria to participate in this ceasefire agreement therefore my sources in Damascus say and this was a statement posted by Syrian
• 52:30 - 53:00 government that France specifically by the Syrian foreign Ministry is participating in the intelligence work alongside the HDs in Syria and other sources in Damascus say that France has been fed up with Damascus and they wanted to unleash this terrorist Army in collaboration with erdogan in order to impose a military Siege on Lebanon cut the supply chains deg great weaken hisbah in order to finish on Hezbollah so if Syria Falls um next is going to be
• 53:00 - 53:30 Lebanon they will send these terrorists to Lebanon they will force Hezbollah to fight an internal war against these HDs people and they will call it a civil war just like they did in the 80s back then and called it a civil war like they call it civil war in Syria and um yeah this is this is the I I from whichever side I see like I don't see a positive outcome you know like this has also been something like that has been reported in the New York Times you probably saw that that the
• 53:30 - 54:00 Americans and the um I I I guess it was the United Arab Emirates had been applying pressure for some time on Syria to cut itself off from uh Iran basically for that very same reason well you if you cut yourself off from Iran then essentially hisbah is finished is is is that is that also the case that that has been this steady pressure that's been applied against um assria from the United States didn't pressure but they were persuading Assad so they were
• 54:00 - 54:30 reintroducing him to the Arab world they are the ones who convinced Saudi Arabia to readmit Assad to the Arab League and they allowed um Syria basically to deal with third party companies for reconstruction through uh Emirate companies so Emirate helped Syria in certain places of reconstruction in Damascus and also reintroduced Syria and they were promising Syria that if Trump comes they're friends with Trump and they will convince him to lift some of
• 54:30 - 55:00 the sanctions but he has to degrade the influence of Iran in Syria and basically what Assad did he took steps in this direction so in Western Aleppo where the occupation happened first of these militants those were basically uh protected by Iranian Affiliated forces and few months ago Assad gave the orders for these Iranian Affiliated forces to withraw from Western Aleppo so Assad took the decisions Assad
• 55:00 - 55:30 took the steps toward this reconciliation with the Arabs with the Turks with the US he took these steps but then he they used this um uh against him it the agreements of Asana were seen as the Minsk agreements a time to regroup rearm and we prepare for this regime change and they outsmarted the uh in in politics you have to be very um
• 55:30 - 56:00 expect the worst case scenario I think the situation in the country before this was like oh we emerged Victorious let's reconstruct the country and celebrations and let's blow up some balloons and some fireworks every week and concerts and this and that and people got the impression that we've done you know like everybody is living a normal life again and there was no War uh conditions in the country you know like the people didn't feel like we still have War to carry out and all of a sudden when it happened everybody was in shock what is
• 56:00 - 56:30 happening but the other side Was preparing for the war and we were not Syria was not preparing for this day if they had done that this was this was not going to be the case impossible for this to happen unless if Syria was uh preparing for this day I'm sure they didn't because they believed that it's over and the next steps are political so we reconcile with Saudi Arabia UAE if you reconcile with them why not with turkey it will happen right eventually so they believed in the political process dispatched the Soldiers Home
• 56:30 - 57:00 Assad sent most of the soldiers home basically the old uh soldiers and uh yeah they used this to bring him a little bit to this side and then but how how come then didn't Russia know about this didn't Iran know about this why why was Assad why George if if I if I answer to you this question there will no no friend left for me in Russia as well you know like like like if if I saw from my bathroom are you telling me that the Russians didn't see it coming and then
• 57:00 - 57:30 there was like a 40 kilm there were 40 km buffer zone between the first front line and the militants and they were like attacking like this uh uh in in the historical movies with swords you know like running like monkeys you know against the C are you telling me that the Russian Air Force couldn't obliterate them yes they they were able but there maybe there were no decision by Syria or there were no request we don't know but for sure 100% they detected their movements I mean they moved tanks artilleries for 40 kilomet
• 57:30 - 58:00 are you telling me they didn't see it and they were running on a highway until this moment they on a highway if they want they can destroy their entire Convoy now right yeah that's right the other thing you said about how Syria had been distancing itself from Iran is that something Iran was um annoyed about did Iran make its displeasure fell to Syria that somehow Syria is not just to carry favor with UAE it's now distancing
• 58:00 - 58:30 itself from Iran the only concern that Iran had was to keep the supply chains to hisbah as long as the supply chains to hisbah exist they don't have like uh aspirations in alipo it doesn't serve them in alipo so their main concern was to keep the access of resistance intact keep the supply chains toah and Assad kept it and that explains why Israelis were bombing almost daily Syrian Army positions and convoys and the supply chains they were detecting and trying to
• 58:30 - 59:00 destroy so Syria kept it but in aleo because Aleppo um is a majority Sunni governorate and Assad doesn't want to create any Shia Sunni sensitivity again he asked the Iranians also to withdraw in the process of this reconciliation with the Arabic countries and the Iranians didn't bother in the contrary this armies they were some of them they were contract some of them were volunteers and they were for them also lots of financial commitment and they with Drew this forces fun zabun I don't
• 59:00 - 59:30 know and replace them with newly new conscripts those young soldiers I mean don't underestimate somebody in his young age fighting against this Al-Qaeda Fighters these Al-Qaeda Fighters they they they crave death and they are I I know stories from my friends in Palm when Isis attacked them they were telling me Kev like we like how is it possible to shoot someone in the head and he falls but his body is still
• 59:30 - 60:00 running on the sand he they were taking the captagon drugs they were abusing the captagon drugs and they had very high level of Serotonin and dopamine in their body that even after their death their body was still moving like an octopus you know so it was like a horror movie for them now put that in your mind and you're a young soldier on the front line and this aqaa forces are attacking you I think fear also plays some factor in this especially for someone who never been in a combat zone like this when you withdraw the Iranians and you put the
• 60:00 - 60:30 younger generation there to fight things will happen you know I think but Syria didn't have a choice they wanted to open up to the Arabic countries the MBS and MB they promised Syria that when Trump comes they will uh reduce the sanctions against Syria you know reintroducing him slowly but truly and now erdogan changed everything like I think he changed everything also for Saudi Arabia and the UAE and now they everybody sees him as a threat in the region because erdogan
• 60:30 - 61:00 having um dominance over Syria means he can project his hegemony on the rest of the Middle East and especially on Saudi Arabia and historically we know how the Ottomans tried to advance and I think this is going to be probably another chapter of a Saddam hin era when um Saddam and the Iranians fought for for eight years this is how the Middle East is based on divide and concur the Americans always have someone creating these divisions in the region and now it's erdogan who is doing the
• 61:00 - 61:30 bit Israel can finish off the genocide right but speaking of trump what what is his view on this what what do you think his view is going to be on this I mean does he does he want this huge U accumulation of power for turkey I think um uh even Trump didn't expect this to happen and he doesn't want for uh s he wanted to with draw but he wanted to find a political and military force to replace his presence
• 61:30 - 62:00 uh there so they were pop popping up the Kurds in in the East and erdogan saw it and he knows what could happen therefore he used this window of opportunity to finish on this even American project of creating a Kurdish entity in the region by advancing in uh in the North in Aleppo Hama and in homes and if he if he finishes the job in Damascus then I don't think the CDs have so much of Leverage over over Syria any longer so
• 62:00 - 62:30 now the Syrian Army desperately holding defensive pacts with the Kurds the SDF I think it's too late it's too late and um I I judged this from JD Vance and rfk's statements that what are we doing in Syria basically and um we have been there and he wanted to withdraw and the Deep State uh stopped him from doing it I think uh erdogan knows that that Trump wants to withdraw so he
• 62:30 - 63:00 solidified his position now on the negotiation table I think that if Trump comes and erdogan doesn't bow there is going to be some conflict among them for sure but to what extent the US is ready to anger erdogan whereas he is also serving the Israeli interest so I think there is going to be Israeli Zionist Lobby way weighing in and uh persuading uh Trump to accept a new reality in the region erdogan and the Turks they're our
• 63:00 - 63:30 friends maddening it's mading I the people ju just one thing for people who think erdogan is a friend of Palestine even during the genocide it's still it's still ongoing in Gaza uh 40% of the Israeli War Machine was uh the fuel was coming from aeran and the and the fuel and gas was passing through turkey so 40% of the war machine of Israel against the Palestinians the Lebanese came through turkey he never cut this and if if if if people cannot see all these
• 63:30 - 64:00 things it's like a public information it's uh it's tiring you know it's tiring it's tiring for us how many times we can liberate our country how many times we should reconstruct our home how many times I should help my father to reconstruct his shops people think this is just politics but this is our homeland so um for some people this could be just a tweet on X but for us this is our home our memories our future and everything is gone again so once again we went to aleo we reconstructed
• 64:00 - 64:30 our homes and our shops and we restarted and now it's gone again for the second time so I I don't think these people understand what it means for ordinary syrians whereas they are celebrating the conquest of Syria by this erdogan Terror Army what what should we be looking for during the next few days I mean obviously harms is there anything else like any meetings between Uh Russian and Syrian definitely the the meeting in Doha this is going to be the Tipping Point people
• 64:30 - 65:00 say that if the Turks reject to uh uh because uh La said that we have to go back to the aana I think that erdogan doesn't have to go to aana he has the upper hand so the Russians are going to have only two options and I don't see there is a third option except the new reality or accelerate in a massive way but that also could uh impact Russia's military uh operation in Ukraine they're already
• 65:00 - 65:30 involved in an existential conflict in in Ukraine so it seems that there were some front lines opened against Russia and Iran in the region to you know disturb their efforts like in Ukraine and also in Lebanon and Palestine and every part party is already exhausted from uh the burden of these wars and the economy and also I mean in front of the people now how can they sell this war again uh that the Russ have to go to Syria once again well K this was really I think's
• 65:30 - 66:00 question is really really good and I I really hope they will understand it's not the lack of resources it's not exhaustion and those are not the operative things when it comes to Russia like I said they want a plan a plan that can work okay because they do have interest there I agree with you 100% so I think that's the next shoe to drop okay I know wants to wind it up here go ahead no I think know I think that's very fine okay Kor this is a really fascinating insightful you know uh
• 66:00 - 66:30 discussion I I haven't heard anything anywhere as uh as Salient and as informative as what you've just thank you so much I really appreciate it really really really we've learned a great deal and I know gagers will be extremely appreciative for this thank you so much thank you so much Kor we'll see you soon see you soon bye bye