The Charismatic Church Is Not Doing This Well

Summary

In his latest video, the creator from Faith Reframed discusses significant challenges within the charismatic church, focusing on issues of accountability among leaders. He highlights various scandals, such as those involving Todd White and Dr. Michael Brown, and explores the charismatic community's reluctance to address these issues properly. The creator also touches on the new upcoming podcast from Bethl BSSM School of Supernatural Ministry, sharing his thoughts on what to expect from it. He critiques the culture within charismatic circles that seems to prioritize personal vision and gifting over biblical accountability, urging a return to foundational Christian values.

Highlights

• Critical view on charismatic church's approach to dealing with scandals. 🔍
• Discussion on the upcoming Bethl BSSM School of Supernatural Ministry podcast. 🎧
• Insight into the struggles around accountability and leadership in charismatic churches. 🤔
• An analysis of the cultural divide between charismatic and reformed communities. 🌐
• Emphasis on the importance of adhering to biblical standards in church leadership. ✝️

Key Takeaways

• Charismatic churches often fail in holding their leaders accountable for sins, leading to reoccurring scandals. 🕵️‍♂️
• There's a divide between charismatic and reformed communities based on leadership accountability practices. 🤝
• Many charismatic leaders downplay accusations and resort to spiritualizing the issues, instead of addressing them directly. 😬
• The upcoming Bethl BSSM podcast is expected to focus heavily on personal testimonies and stories. 🎙️
• Biblical guidelines for leadership are often overlooked in charismatic circles, which is causing harm within these communities. 📜

Overview

The video opens with a bold critique of the charismatic church's handling of leadership scandals. The creator points out how these churches often fail to hold their leaders accountable for their actions, which leads to recurring issues. He draws a comparison between charismatic and reformed communities, suggesting that the latter are more rigorous in their accountability practices.

A significant portion of the video is dedicated to discussing the upcoming podcast from Bethl BSSM School of Supernatural Ministry. The creator expresses excitement to watch it and predicts it will focus on personal stories and testimonies. He provides a nuanced look at how these personal narratives, while engaging, may lack scriptural substance and therefore should be approached with caution.

The discussion expands into a broader commentary on the culture within charismatic circles. The creator emphasizes the dangers of prioritizing personal vision and the charismatic gifts of leaders over biblical accountability. He stresses that adhering strictly to biblical standards for leadership is crucial for the health and integrity of the church community.

Chapters

• 00:00 - 00:30: Introduction and Overview The chapter 'Introduction and Overview' addresses the tension between charismatic and reform-oriented churches, emphasizing that the issue isn't about envy or differences in worship practices. Instead, the focus is on the failure to hold sinful church leaders accountable. The chapter sets the stage for a broader discussion, highlighting the importance of accountability within church leadership to ensure integrity and ethical practices.
• 00:30 - 03:00: Bethl BSSM Podcast Discussion The chapter discusses the upcoming launch of a podcast by Bethel BSSM School of Supernatural Ministry. The narrator is excited about the potential discussions and plans to offer commentary on them. There is also mention of an update on a project involving Todd White and Dr. Michael Brown, along with reflections on events in charismatic circles.
• 03:00 - 04:00: Issues in the Charismatic World This chapter delves into the emotional challenges and conversations within the Charismatic community. It highlights the heartbreak and sadness experienced by many, as discussed among friends and notable figures such as the minor prophets and Blaze from Wake Up and Win. The narrative suggests a community in distress, dealing with their issues openly in forums and media, like the mentioned Bethl podcast, setting the tone for introspective and possibly transformative discussions.
• 04:00 - 09:00: Todd White and the Charismatic Crisis In this chapter, the author begins by providing an overview and personal insights into a topic that will be explored further. The focus is on the Bethl BSSM podcast trailer, which is briefly discussed as a precursor to what might be seen and experienced on the channel. The author acknowledges that the studio is still in the testing phase and reflects on the potential developments and content to be rolled out in the future.
• 09:00 - 17:00: Dr. Michael Brown's Controversies In this chapter titled 'Dr. Michael Brown's Controversies,' the transcript discusses the buzz around the new podcast by BSSM, hinting at themes like 'revival' which is expected in May, according to the speaker. The chapter further illustrates that the channel features numerous testimonies, stories, and highlights including those from Bill Johnson, along with sermons and graduation-related content.
• 17:00 - 21:30: Charismatic Accountability Problems The chapter discusses the issue of charismatic accountability problems, particularly in the context of using stories and testimonials. It delves into how organizations, specifically educational institutions, utilize student stories and alumni testimonies to maintain engagement and motivation. The focus is on the effectiveness of storytelling in mission trips and how these narratives impact the audience. However, the chapter hints at the superficiality and possible over-reliance on these stories, suggesting that while they are engaging, they might lack depth or fail to address underlying issues of accountability.
• 21:30 - 30:00: Response to Allegations and Public Defense In this chapter, the narrator expresses skepticism about a forthcoming show, likening it to previous experiences of unsubstantiated stories. There is a mention of a launch date for the show, either May 5th or a nearby date. Despite initial doubts, the narrator expresses excitement and curiosity to watch the initial episode, anticipating an intriguing insight.
• 30:00 - 35:00: Criticism of Charismatic Leadership The chapter 'Criticism of Charismatic Leadership' highlights ongoing concerns and unprecedented crises within the charismatic religious community. The speaker intends to investigate the situation more deeply the following week. There have always been scandals in churches, but the current issues seem to be occurring on a larger scale, suggesting a significant crisis is unfolding. This excerpt sets the stage for a critical examination of leadership within the charismatic movement.
• 35:00 - 43:00: Conclusion and Personal Reflections The chapter discusses the scandals within the charismatic world and the frequent recurrence of such incidents. There is a specific focus on the case of Steve Lawson, whose scandal was particularly disheartening. The author reflects on the pervasive issue of inadequate responses to these scandals and shares personal contemplation about engaging with Lawson's expository preaching course.

The Charismatic Church Is Not Doing This Well Transcription

• 00:00 - 00:30 It's not because we're jealous of the presence that you carry or jealous of your worship sets or that you have the presence of God that you say in your services. No, it's because you have leaders that are in sin that unless other people get involved and hold a report in your face, even the other charismatic leaders go, "Oh, it's not that bad." It's like you're pitting a battle against the charismatics and the reforms because you're presence driven churches. It's like, no, it's because you have sinful leaders that you won't hold to account. Hey guys, welcome back. A lot to go over, a lot to cover. Um,
• 00:30 - 01:00 let's just start with some of the fun stuff. Uh, many of you may have not seen or known, but Bethl BSSM School of Supernatural Ministry, they're going to be launching a podcast, and I'm really excited to see what kind of discussions they're going to have and provide some commentary on that. Um, want to give a little bit of an update on what I'm working on with Todd White and Dr. Michael Brown and that whole situation. and then just kind of share my thoughts a bit on what I'm seeing happening in the charismatic circles. That's really
• 01:00 - 01:30 heartbreaking. Um the conversations I've been having with some friends, um you know, lots of people that you you guys are probably aware of like the minor prophets, uh Blaze over at Wake Up and Win, uh and even just some of my circles, there's just a lot of heartbreak and a lot of sad stuff going on. So, uh yeah, let's just go ahead and dive into it. All right. So, first thing is I want to go over this Bethl uh podcast they have going on. Um I want to show the little trailer here. It's only 23 seconds long, but I also want to kind
• 01:30 - 02:00 of give my two cents on what I think it's going to be. It's going to be interesting. All right, so first thing I want to hit is this Bethl BSSM podcast trailer. I want to just kind of clip a little clip of it. It's only 23 seconds long. um and just kind of give my thoughts on it and what I'm thinking we're actually going to be seeing come out of this and um what we can experience basically on other things that are on their channel. So, it's just testing testing. It's a little promo. Yeah, they're just setting up the studio. Um you know, it's
• 02:00 - 02:30 just hype and then uh BSSM's new podcast. So, the thing they're going to be saying right here, which is interesting, is revi risk and revival coming in May. Um, so based off of that alone, so I'll show you some of the stuff on the website here. All right. So, at the actual channel, it's a lot of testimony and stories. So, we have a couple highlights of Bill Johnson, um, couple highlights of some, you know, sermons, graduation stuff. They've always had this stuff here. If you go to the latest videos though, they're doing
• 02:30 - 03:00 more like testimonial and stories, um, student stories, uh, student testimonies, um, kind of ways to get keep alumni motivated is one of the things they're doing. Um, and also just, you know, stories from mission trips. So, I have a strong feeling a lot of what we're going to be seeing in this is actually just going to be a lot of testimonies and stories. Um, but what's interesting about that, um, if we go over a lot of the stories, if you watch any of these, um, they really they it's kind of like
• 03:00 - 03:30 it feels a lot of like show me the toes where it's just, hey, this amazing thing happened. Don't have any pictures, don't have any evidence. It's just a story. Um, void of really any kind of scripture substance. Um, because that's what it tends to be. Um, so I'm interested to see. It's supposed to launch May 5th, which is, I believe, Sunday or Monday. Um, and I'm exc I'm actually excited to watch the first one. Um, and just see what they're actually going to do with this. I find this one really interesting. I think it's going to be quite the inside look and I'm excited to
• 03:30 - 04:00 see what they come out with just so we can get a better understanding of what they're thinking over there at Bethl. All right, now changing gears, heading over to the Todd White, Michael Brown. I've been thinking about with all this stuff and I'm going to be doing a bit more of a deep dive on it probably next week. Um, but just a couple thoughts to I don't know for you to chew on. Um, right now in the charismatic world, there is a a crisis happening. Um, which is kind of unprecedented for the amounts happening. There's always been scandals in every church. You know,
• 04:00 - 04:30 we have Steve Lawson and uh, you know, stuff with Sean BS. It's kind of all over. But in in the charismatic world in particular, there has been such an increase in all these different scandals popping up. And it seems like every time it's the one guy that happens, it just ends up being more and there's more and there's more. Um, the thing that's been driving me nuts is the lack of response. Now, when Steve Lawson happened, which was a heartbreak, I actually was considering taking Steve Lawson's he had an expository preaching course he was
• 04:30 - 05:00 doing that was pretty affordable and I was like, I might do that and I ended up not doing it. U, but I've always appreci I really appreciate his his preaching. Um, and when that happened, it was a heartbreak, you know, it was one of those things that just shook everyone. But the reformed community responded in a way that was very biblical and was very needed. It was basically just chopped them off. Said, "Listen, you're not preaching. You're not doing sessions. You're not doing conferences." Um, and Steve Lawson, to his credit,
• 05:00 - 05:30 didn't even like, you know, keep making YouTube videos or anything like that. Just really just kind of everything just kind of came to a screeching halt as it should, right? As it should. Um, and it was it was sad to see but refreshing to see the response. And the charismatic world just has not picked up on this. Um, when you look at Todd White and when Mike Winger put out the Todd White video, the amount of people that looking at what was said and looking at the evidence and looking at
• 05:30 - 06:00 uh the victims that have come out, I know a lot of them are still anonymous. Um, I can understand both sides a little bit on that one. Um, Rod Saunders over at Jew and Greek, shout out to you, Rod. I've been on his channel once. He was mentioning how a lot of these are allegations and a lot of these are just it could it could come off as just people being hurt or angry and I understand that. Um, I think there's a bit more weight to it, though, especially given things that Todd said and the history of his teaching, which has been so crazy. Um, even in my own conference, I've tried to warn people
• 06:00 - 06:30 and let people know at the church I go to. Um, hey, like this is this guy is not someone you should be listening to. Um, when he says such bombastic things like I'll probably insert a few clips here. Um, you know, like the way he talked about Jesus on the cross. Jesus became full of pornography on the tree. Uh, the way he talked about how he's never sinned in a long time or how God gave me a pure clean heart. I've never stained or never martyred or violated the way I put it. This blank canvas he
• 06:30 - 07:00 came and gave me this pure heart and I've never violated it with anything. He does get angry or offended anymore. Um you know and we look at the evidence of things that happened. It's like well that's not true obviously. Um or he's never lied. He's never looked at a woman with lust. It's it's these these are setting such ridiculous standards and for his students that are so unattainable that there's been burnout and fallout um in his own circles of people that basically just leave the faith entirely or just say I can't do this. Uh because it does kind of turn
• 07:00 - 07:30 into a worksbased gospel which is just you know you have to attain this superchristian status that Todd has attained. That that's one situation right I understand there there's kind of a back and forth with Todd. The thing that's been more frustrating even than the Todd White stuff and Mike Winger I think did a wonderful job on his video and shouts to him for advocating for victims. I love that he's speaking out more about this. Um I think a lot of us uh that have come out of the charismatic camp that have really gleamed a lot from Mike Winger have been wishing he's been doing more of this and he's doing it and I'm just so happy that he's speaking out as much as he is. It's wonderful. Um but
• 07:30 - 08:00 the Dr. Michael Brown stuff is just a whole another story. Um, there are some things in scripture that are just so clear and there is like no debate on on what it means or the way we interpret it. Um, with Dr. Michael Brown, the amount of things that have come out and and it's sad. It's so sad because I even, as much as I've been frustrated with a lot of Dr. M Brown's responses um and the way he's handled you know interaction with some of the people I look up to um
• 08:00 - 08:30 very frustrating and it does feel like a lot of times he's always sidest stepping and you know I think Chris Roseber calls off aiscating the doc doc of opuscation um he is very well learned and very well read in many ways um I've read uh some of his works especially when it comes to the messianic um community messianic Jewish community um incredibly well read and really thoughtful in a lot of ways, but this whole thing with Dr. Michael Brown has really shown some nasty colors
• 08:30 - 09:00 in the charismatic community. Um, one thing to start off and to think about is the Jeremiah Johnson. Um, if you haven't seen that, what's been going on with him? I mean, Jeremiah, let's I mean, let's just pull it up real quick. We'll take a quick look at what Jeremiah Johnson was saying. All right. So, just just be easier just to go over what Jeremiah Johnson actually said. So basically throughout this whole thing going on, you know, there's lots of opinions flying around. People are coming to defend Michael Brown. People are trying to stone him. It's, you know, all over the place. I was wanting to sit back for a while and see what was going
• 09:00 - 09:30 to happen and what was going to be said uh by I mean really by the third party investigation, which is why we have these things, right? Um so Jeremiah Johnson comes out um and essentially starts blaming people for coming out and bringing things up that were so old. Uh, you know, he talks about Ron Cantor who was on the Minor Prophets podcast. Had a great conversation with him. Um, so going over it real quick, he says, "Dr. Brown had an emotional affair uh via email with a woman who is now deceased."
• 09:30 - 10:00 So he starts with that. So just just an emotional affair via email. Both women's husbands and Dr. Brown wife were made aware. Dr. Brown apologized, asked for forgiveness. Uh, he did not have a physical sexual affair with this woman. Number two, Dr. Brown had what he described in the report as a father-daughter relationship with a woman named Sarah. After interviewing her and several staff members, both current and former reporter, the report concluded there were physical boundaries crossed in 2002, including holding hands on occasion, kissing the for the back,
• 10:00 - 10:30 and a swat on her lower back. Brown denies ever kissing her. Um, okay. He says it was idiotic. Left mult relocate to another state. Brown that some of their early interactions made her uncomfortable in response. According to Dr. Brown, he and Nancy Brown met with promptly carefully listening to her and apologized to her. Number three, this was where Ron came up, decided that he should go public with all's information 23 years ago so that a third party investigation could determine what happened. Prior to the recent third party, Dr. Microb publicly acknowledged
• 10:30 - 11:00 repented for the two failures. In addition, report concluded that it is notable that no credible evidence has emerged from 2002 2025 to suggest further inappropriate. So that's a big part. Further inappropriate sexual behavior. So wording is important, right? Didn't say no inappropriate sexual behavior, but further inappropriate sexual behavior. So it did happen. There was inappropriate sexual behavior. Uh what is now clear to me is this. As we're going to go over, 23 years ago, Dr. Michael Brown made two terrible mistakes. One was an emotional
• 11:00 - 11:30 affair. Uh the other was an inappropriate relationship, which he didn't call I'm I'm surprised he didn't call that an affair. He just called that the one was an affair and one is an inappropriate relationship which I'm not sure how based on what we know happened isn't isn't an affair. Um they shouldn't have never held hands or had close physical contact. Um over the last 23 years there's been a clear course of correction. The primary narrative of those who have now brought up Dr. Brown's past sins is unknown. So now now we're questioning motives which has been
• 11:30 - 12:00 that's this is like the thing that's frustrating about the whole charismatic thing. It's every time something happens, it turns into questioning motives. It's always questioning motives, which I don't understand. Um, constantly I want to go on record and say that I accept Dr. Brown's apology for his past sins and two decades mistakes. I want to thank all those who put countless hours to bring this truth. Okay, so that's that part. Now, I wanted to go and look at the report and show where and Jeremiah Johnson got like torched for this. Like this came out. I'm pretty sure he took it down cuz I
• 12:00 - 12:30 remember I took screenshots as soon as it came up cuz I was like this is probably taken down and sure enough I'm fairly certain he took it down. Um cuz people were so upset with the way he responded and I can't remember if it was his wife. I want to say it was his wife came to Jeremiah Johnson's defense. It's just like all people are saying is like Brown messed up. Don't defend him. Like let things play out and like don't come running to the aid of this guy constantly. like can we just admit that someone made a mistake and you know have the mistake be out there and dealt with
• 12:30 - 13:00 uh but it's constantly patting down. So let's take a look at the other part uh in the actual report real quick. Okay so this part of the report is going over uh what Sarah's talking about um their interaction has been and this this part's really important. Now mind you Jeremiah Johnson put it where it was just a swat on the lower back and there's this constant downplaying of what's going on. Um, and I mean, I'm just going to say it. Jeremiah Johnson's a false prophet. Like, he's gotten so many things wrong. He's not to be
• 13:00 - 13:30 trusted. He's not a solid prophet. He's not to be trusted in ministry or exeg. His prophecies and his, you know, declarations are constantly they're they're almost like reaching. And when he thinks he has one that got right, he's like, "Oh, here's how this one lined up with this one, this one." And and it's they're they're just not true. He's a false prophet. All right. And so it's I mean we shouldn't be surprised when he's trying to you know obuscate and kind of haze things when they're very clear. So if we look
• 13:30 - 14:00 at this says during a trip to New York with Brown right here three other girls and Nancy Brown who was driving is number two. Sarah recounted that Brown was seated in the passenger seat. Uh Sarah stated that while driving around Manhattan sightseeing in the evening, Brown reached with his right hand between the seat and the door and touched her calf and then proceeded to hold her hand. When asked about any other inappropriate contact behind holding hands, Sarah stated, "He would hit my butt as I walked by, but that was it." She
• 14:00 - 14:30 explained that the first time Brown swatted her butt, she thought it was an accident. However, it continued nearly every time they were alone. Brown, on the other hand, described the incident differently. He know that Sarah greeted him with a hug and gestured and customarily offered when she saw him at the office. She walked away with his desk and he flicked her with the back of his back with the back of my hand as she walked away. Which I'm just trying to visualize this flicking with the back of a hand as someone walks away. Like that's just one
• 14:30 - 15:00 of those things like why would why why would you do that? Why would you flick? I don't get it. Um, he clarified, "I would not I was not a at a grab or even a swat, but rather a backhanded flick, which again, just socially, why?" If that was the case, I never thought of sexual thought. It's like the most typical thing. I'm sorry. Sorry. So, it was stupid. It was a playful stupid thing. So, it was something playful. So, you would flicker as your I just don't
• 15:00 - 15:30 understand. Sarah noted how deeply inappropriate this behavior was, especially coming from Brown, who was not only in a position of authority, but also a preacher expected to uphold higher morale, moral, and ethic standards. Brown held the students to a very high standard while attending fire school. Such conduct she felt was a clear violation of the trust and respect inherent to his role. So, if you don't know, at the fire school, they had incredibly strict rules with interactions, you know, dress wear, uh, interactions at night, all kinds of
• 15:30 - 16:00 stuff that were like very, very, very, very strict. So, Sarah noted how deeply improve his baby hair, especially coming from Brown. Uh, here's a part here. Sarah had stated that Brown initially kissed the top of her head to say goodbye, which later progressed to kisses on the cheek. She recalled one instance where Brown sat up in his chair and gave her a quick kiss on the lips. However, Brown denied ever kissing uh ever kissing uh Sarah on the lips. He explained, "I would sometimes give her a peck on the head after she gave me a hug, and it's possible on the side of her head, but not on the cheek." To
• 16:00 - 16:30 reiterate, without a doubt, never on the lips. Just to be clear, I never had any inappropriate or never had inappropriate thought or intentions with Sarah in any way. Sarah, the butt swatting and quick kisses became a common event when she went into Brown's office to say goodbye. The behavior described as deeply appropriate and professional. to cross his boundaries of respect and decency especially in a setting where trust and professionalism should be paramount. These actions did not just occur in the office while in his house with his wife but uh other students while at his house would be in his home office and engage
• 16:30 - 17:00 in the same behavior. And it goes further that would happen at Walmart. They'd meet out at Walmart and they would go out and meet up at night when she was going to go grocery shopping. He would line up and yeah more stuff. So what's the point? Why are we going over all this? You guys have seen a lot of this stuff. know I just want to kind of get my two cents on it. Um w with everything going down in the charismatic world from the Todd White stuff to Dr. Michael Brown stuff to the pastor at IB case he's been abusive. There is just a problem with accountability in charismatic world. Um
• 17:00 - 17:30 it in my opinion in just my experience in leadership at churches especially in charismatic churches been on staff at charismatic churches for almost 7 10 years. It it it comes down to the environment that's created when you involve the prophetic. Now, it's this understanding the prophetic of God told me this or we have the leader who is a prophetic visionary who's carrying this mantle or this call from God to execute something. And when this person has this call, this vision,
• 17:30 - 18:00 this this mantle on them to do this, they kind of become a cult of personality where they're the one with the vision that God has bestowed upon. So we have to make sure that he keeps going. Um rather than the simple call and the the role of a church which is you know to disciple to help people grow to rightly divide the word to minister amongst their community to go and make disciples to evangelize. These are like I look at these things and like this is
• 18:00 - 18:30 this is what the church you know should be doing. It's it's pretty straightforward. It's not hard to you know if you have a church and you're like what do we do? like what's the goal of this church, you know, and you have these big prophetic vision nights of all the things we're going to do and we're going to, you know, I hate to bring in Mercy culture, but Mercy culture is you I guilty for this like we're going to have these we're going to take over Dallas and take over Fort Worth and we're going to, you know, and they're doing it like no to their credit, they're doing it. They're they are growing like crazy. Uh but I bring them up because, you know, Dr. Michael
• 18:30 - 19:00 Brown's considered an apostolic elder. Um which again, if you know the history of Dr. Michael Brown's interesting when you talk about apostles and the way he viewed the nar and he kind of called it the the reformed boogeyman. Um but he's called an apostolic elder. Now we have very clear scripture of what an elder should be and what it means to be an elder. Um very clear guidelines and some churches take those guidelines they throw them out the window and they you know appoint elders that don't meet those qualifications. It's really
• 19:00 - 19:30 frustrating. Uh but one of the ones that's very clear is the husband to one wife. And that one um when you look at the Greek, it translates directly to a onewoman man. Um let's take a quick look at that passage real quick before I go too deep on this. All right, so we have it right here. It's uh 1 Timothy 3 uh 1-7. So the saint is trustworthy. If anyone aspires to the office of overseer, he desires a noble task. Therefore, an overseer must be above reproach. Husband of one wife, soberminded, self-controlled,
• 19:30 - 20:00 respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunker, not violent, gentle, not quarrelome, not a lover of money. He must manage his own household well with all dignity, keeping his children submissive. For someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for the church of God, God's church? He must not be a recent convert, or he may become puffed up with conceit and fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders so that he may not fall into disgrace, a snare of the devil. Um, so that one that part
• 20:00 - 20:30 obviously in verse two, therefore, an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, soberminded. Um, husband of one wife. So, some translations may say, a onewoman man. Um, but the spirit of the verse and what what we I mean know what historically it's always been understood as faithful to your wife. You must be faithful to your wife. That's the whole point of an overseer. And uh and it wraps up um verse 7. Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders so that he may not fall into disgrace. Um you know, we want our
• 20:30 - 21:00 leaders and our overseers and our elders to be people of integrity. Uh to be above reproach, to represent the house of God well, to represent the church well, to to not have our community around us, you know, look at your church and be like, "Those are your elders. We know what kind of life they live, right?" It's like that's the idea. Um but Mercy Culture in the midst of this ra rather than even considering the report which the report was very clear in a lot of ways um they did the exact opposite and in the midst of all that
• 21:00 - 21:30 they just decided to do a standing ovation for Dr. Brown and say hey we know he's doing we we know the report we see what's happening uh but in the midst of that we're going to celebrate him and we're going to give a stand ovation. I'll show you that clip real quick. All right. So, this is the clip and it it jumps right into it. Like there is there is uh he you know good old Landon jumps right into it. Here I I'll play for you. And I'm talking to this is not just a people's opinion. I'm telling you we are in a season of what the Lord spoke to me
• 21:30 - 22:00 and said we are in a season of the accuser of the brethren. So right away the Lord spoke to him. So we're right back to where we started. The Lord spoke to him and we're in a season of the accuser of the brethren. And so we can just take anything going wrong, anything that's happening that's bad, anything that's, you know, you know, oh, they're coming after our leaders. Well, of course they are because God told me we're in the season of accuser of the brethren. Why wouldn't this happen? It's very convenient. It's I wish I had that out, right? It's
• 22:00 - 22:30 like it's like if if my wife was like, "Hey, you were supposed to go out and um you know, I don't know. We we're doing a lot of homesteading projects right now, right? And it's like my wife would be say, "Hey, you were supposed to go finish putting the irrigation in right now and you should put the irrigation in for the garden." I would go, "We are in a season of it being dry. The Lord told me we're supposed to be in a season of being dry." Oh, well that's why I didn't install the irrigation. It's like it's just so dumb, you know? It's like rather than like don't don't take what's happening and then say, "Oh, it's
• 22:30 - 23:00 happening because God told me this." It's like, "No, it's happening because that's what happened." It's like people made bad decisions. I want to warn every single pastor friend that I have in this place. We are walking into a place where there's been a demonic spirit that's been loosed in our nation. And this demonic spirit is called the accuser of the brethren. And Richard over at uh Firm Foundation did a wonderful video on this on the accuser of the brethren uh and who that really is and what that looks like. Charismatics tend to just or really it's
• 23:00 - 23:30 almost anyone that's just basically being called out for their sin just jump on this verse. And it's so frustrating the moment someone's accusing you of something, you just jump on this verse and say, "Accus of the brethren rather than actually like, you know, confronting what's going on." Um, it's very frustrating. Uh, but that that's what's happening here. Like that we're again rather than being real with what's happening, we're just jumping into accuser of the brethren. I was doing a podcast a couple months ago with some of our pastors and they're sharing their testimony of living in sin and immorality and how God has used them and
• 23:30 - 24:00 restored them. And I'm sitting there in this podcast filming. and it comes out in a few weeks. And I'm I I'm interviewing them. And as I'm interviewing, I hear in my spirit you're entering a season of the accuser of the brethren. So, and I'm not saying that this is what's happening, you know. I'm not I'm He's t It's wonderful. We should confess our sins to one another. We should That is absolutely biblical. You know, that is that is I mean, there's nothing more Christian, I feel like, than being willing to confess our sins
• 24:00 - 24:30 to one another. We should totally do that. Absolutely. Um, but just because we're confessing our sins to one another, then he turns it to again, we're turning to a season of accuser, brother. Hey, wonderful for you, Landon. Great to have an environment where people can be vulnerable and and admit their sins and what they're falling short of. We're all going to fall short. Absolutely. But there are certain sins that can disqualify us like, right, grace is grace is more than enough. But this is where charismatics lose the plot, right? It's all about restoration. Restoration, restoration. It's like
• 24:30 - 25:00 someone can be quote unquote restored, but they're not preaching again, right? Someone can be forgiven, but they're not in the office again. Like restoration doesn't have to mean, you know, like, you know, like Todd Bentley's great example, right? He's been restored so many times and he shouldn't be restored. He can be still be restored as in forgiven. And the church can recognize his repentance and they can recognize forgiveness and we could see repentance in the family and forgiveness in the family. That's all great. And that's that's restoration. restoration doesn't mean he has to have a a whole platform
• 25:00 - 25:30 in ministry again. It doesn't. You can still be restored without that, but that's that's where they take it. It's like, oh, he sinned, so and it let's say it's a really grave sin, then we we still have to restore them all the way. And like Bethl's guilty of this, too. I mean, they're all they all they're all guilty of it. And so that that's where it gets frustrating. And instantly, I'm thinking of of the book of Revelation that the accuser of the brethren stands before God and accuses day and night. Instantly then I start thinking about Matthew chapter 13. And Matthew chapter 13 is
• 25:30 - 26:00 the story of the parable of the seeds where the enemy comes in to sew the wheats in the tears. I just the way he's tying this all together. All right, let's go ahead and jump ahead here to where let's see it's right about here. Here, even before we would enter a season of the accuser of the brethren, we sang it tonight. Simon, Simon, Satan has come to sift you as we But don't worry, Peter. I'm praying for you and I want to let you know every pastor and leader in this room that you have a high priest. You have an
• 26:00 - 26:30 intercessor who's praying for you. So he takes this passage Luke 22:32 and talks about how you know he's he's taking this and saying oh it's because I'm praying I have prayed for you and that your faith will not fail. So he takes accuser of the brethren and then he parallels that with I have prayed for you and your faith will not fail. So basically, if you're a leader and you've sinned and you're in sin, don't worry, you won't fail. It's
• 26:30 - 27:00 like, what? No, there's like biblical accountability. Like, we have to go through the process of accountability. Like, there's a process of repentance and there's a process of, hey, maybe your sin was so grave that you're no longer qualified to be an elder. You're no longer qualified to be an overseer. But it's like it's it's so mindblowing. It's like the more you come at them, the bigger they come back. It's like it's like a hydra. You cut off one head and two more pop up. It's like, "No, no,
• 27:00 - 27:30 you're in sin, dude. Like, you messed up. Yes, there's forgiveness. Yes, you can. We have grace, but you no longer meet these qualifications in First Timothy." And that happens. It's all right. You're still saved. You're still a brother in Christ. Just not that anymore. Like, why can't charismatics do this? Why can't It's so frustrating. It's very very frustrating. He's covering your life. He's covering. I'm jump ahead here a little bit. Really is. He has a little bit of a hype moment. Jezebel spirit. If I've ever seen a Jezebel spirit. Oh yeah. Now we're to
• 27:30 - 28:00 the Jezebel spirit. So we go from the accused by the bread spirit to the Jezebel spirit before. And you could hide behind PhDs. You could hide behind the polls. You can hide behind uh uh uh reporters. You can hide behind whatever you want. So we have polls, PhDs, and reporters. So basically public opinion uh people who are well read and Julie Royce is who he's calling out. But at the end of the day it's a spirit and our and so now he's accusing them people who are well read people who are have public opinions and people who are reporters
• 28:00 - 28:30 they have the Jezebel spirit. Like if Julie Ruy got a dollar for every time someone she had the Jezebel spirit that woman could just stop reporting because she's made so much money. It's insane. Stop calling her a Jezebel spirit. Please stop. She's not battle is not against flesh and blood. We are not battling against people. We're battling against dark forces that and now we're taking it and we're saying, "Hey, all this stuff, all your mistakes that you've made in the past, the things you've done wrong that are coming back to haunt you, it's a battle against the
• 28:30 - 29:00 spirit." It's like, "No, don't spiritualize everything. This is this is your mistakes coming back to you. That's all this is." But but we turn it into this big like he's rawing people and Landon's good at this man. Like he can rally a crowd like that's how you know the church has gotten so big. But you're saying that people wanting to hold you accountable for what you've done is the Jezebel spirit. No, it's biblical. That's all it is. And I want
• 29:00 - 29:30 to let you know that we are in a spiritual battle. Pastors, I am warning you tonight. The accuser of the brethren is not just coming to mercy culture. It's not just coming to Dr. Michael Brown. So there we go. So it's he this whole amp up three minutes of the I don't know how people do that when they preach, but the three minutes of this is turning into this but it's coming to presence driven churches all over presence driven churches which are charismatic churches. So this is
• 29:30 - 30:00 basically this is people with PhDs. So, theologians, well- read people, you could argue the reformed community. This is their version of coming at the church. They're coming at the charismatic church. It's like you're pitting a battle against the charismatics and the reforms because you're presence-driven churches. It's like, no, it's because you have sinful leaders that you won't hold to account. It's not because we're jealous of the presence that you carry or jealous of your worship sets or that you have the presence of God that you say in your
• 30:00 - 30:30 services. No, it's because you have leaders that are in sin that unless other people get involved and hold the report in your face, even the other charismatic leaders go, "Oh, it's not that bad." Like, nothing wrong happened. That's why we have to do this. It's not the accuser of the brethren. It's trying to protect victims, man. America, that will stand for truth in this hour. So, now they're stand for truth. I just wanted to publicly honor one of our apostolic elders, Dr. Michael Brown. So,
• 30:30 - 31:00 Apostolic Elder, here we go. This has been, hold on a second. This has been an absolute an assassination on his reputation. This man I got to meet over 10 years ago who when I no one knew me, I was a nobody, just a traveling preacher wandering who's been rejected by his family, had no spiritual fathers, had nowhere to go. He had loved me. He has swn into me. He has fathered me. I've watched him weep behind closed doors. So, now we're just we're doing testimony, right? Which is great. Like I'm sure Dr. Michael Brown did all this.
• 31:00 - 31:30 I'm sure he I'm not doubting any of that. Like I'm not doubting that Dr. Michael Brown did anything for Landon and that Landon had a wonderful experience because of that. Like I don't doubt any of that. Reality is and it's hard. This is a hard thing to come to terms with. One of your leaders failed. It's hard, man. It's a hard pill to swallow. I've been there. I've been there. It's hard cuz it's like what do you do? Right? because it's the person you looked up to, that you learned from, that you're you're looking as a guiding
• 31:30 - 32:00 light, and they fell. It's hard. I get it, man. Over people that are struggling in samesex attraction, over Muslims, over lost people. I've watched him stand for truth. I've watched him. He has made me be a better man, a better Christian, a better husband, a better father. I have seen him be kind closed doors. And that's why I said enough is enough of this gossip and slander because So now again it's gossip and slander. This is like why do we have to call it gossip
• 32:00 - 32:30 and slander? Why? Why? Why do we just like there's the two sides of the pendulum. There's the believe all women and then there's nothing. And it's like the charismatic camp has just gone. Not I I say charismatic camp. I know there's not like I love the the guys over at the minor prophets uh Jeff and John Mark. They're they're wonderful examples of people who are charismatic in theology but so biblical in their approach and understanding in all this and I I love them for it. If you don't follow them,
• 32:30 - 33:00 follow them. They're wonderful guys. Um and a lot of other channels and some of their charismatics I've been surprised that have come up. But it seems like charismatic leaders, I'll say that. Not so much the charismatic maybe thought leaders because these are some more YouTubers that are thought leaders, but the actual leaders of churches are the ones that are just turning a blind eye to this and calling it gossip and slander rather than like, oh, we should maybe take a take a look at this because the accuser of the brethren is going after men of God that have given their lives to build the kingdom. Someone say not on my watch.
• 33:00 - 33:30 Yeah, Dr. Brown, we honor you. We celebrate you. and this presence driven standing over behind you Dr. Michael Brown, right? My my question is what if what if that was your daughter, right? As a dad, as a dad, you know, if someone came to me and had a report, had testimony, had all broken down, and that was my
• 33:30 - 34:00 daughter. How would I feel if another leader in the church in the denomination was then rallying a whole building to a standing ovation for a man that's accused of abusing my daughter? Do you think about these things? Like, and it gets worse. There's there's more. There's uh but wait, there's more. Let's go to the one last report we want to cover before we wrap this up. All right. So, this is the fire not the Firefly report, but this is the
• 34:00 - 34:30 Elderboard report that I want to go over as last thing. So, I know we're probably almost 30 minutes in this video. So, thanks for hanging out. I guess I am doing the deep dive today. I was my stream of thought just kept going. So, this is my deep dive on this whole thing and my thoughts. So, there's a list of people who went over it. Let's see if I find the list. Um, we have Jonathan Bernese, a couple people I'm not I'm not familiar with, but the reality is these people are all very familiar with Dr. Michael Brown and they're either in the same uh networks, the global awakening networks um or
• 34:30 - 35:00 they've ministered closely with Dr. Brown. So we have Jonathan Bernese, we have uh Raleigh or Washington um don't know him either. He's a pastor Rock Salvation um part of Global Ministry. A lot of them are in the same speaking circles of Dr. Michael Brown. So these aren't like strangers or unbiased third parties, which is the biggest gripe I have. Leif Hetland. I'm a very familiar with Leif. Uh Leif came around to Bethl quite a bit. Um he is a self-con proclaimed
• 35:00 - 35:30 prophet. Uh does a lot of prophet prophetic training uh apostolic training and he spoke at Bethl quite a bit. Uh so he's in the Bethl circle. Uh then I don't know Mark and Nikki Feifer. Um but I do know that they have been running in the same circles with Brown. Uh just on quick couple quick Google searches. So, this is a group of people, an elder accountability team. So, you have Firefly, who's a third party. That's the whole point of a third party is someone who's not really involved, right? Um, if you ever tried to sell dispute, I work
• 35:30 - 36:00 in management. Um, that's the whole point of a manager is like, you have two people who are arguing over something. The manager comes in, says, "Okay, let me hear both stories. I got no I got no skin in the game. Let me hear what's going on. Excuse me. And then I'll help you, you know, mediate what's happening." These guys have skin in the game. They minister with Dr. Michael Brown. They run with Dr. Michael Brown. He's essentially a friend of theirs. And and this the the part that's really gross is when we get to this part here, the use. And you can, you know, I'll include the link in the video um uh
• 36:00 - 36:30 description and you watch these and read the whole thing. But fire, this is the part about sexual abuse and misconduct. Again, just thinking about if you have your own daughter and this is what someone would respond to. So the Firefire report says it explored a more comprehensive approach to addressing sexual abuse. When reporting in the CD of Dr. Brown, this expanded framework, they said, extends beyond traditional definition of sexual assault. This includes behaviors that are not within the historically narrow understanding of those terms. We believe that expanding the historically narrow understanding of those terms could possibly bring
• 36:30 - 37:00 unnecessary confusion by allowing any number of behaviors to be defined as sexual abuse to anyone who chooses. Many people or society already have pre-existing ideas of the mean of sexual abuse without expanding it definition to include even more. So basically they're not agreeing with the terms and definitions of what they considered abuse or sexual abuse. Um expanding the existing framework beyond traditional definitions will likely bring confusion in what constitutes true sexual abuse and has the very real danger of diluting it. The possibility of importing incorrect and confusing definitions within the expanded framework could perhaps be offensive to many victims of
• 37:00 - 37:30 sexual abuse trying to find justice in under the historically narrow traditional definitions. While we respect Fireflyy's decision, here's the conclusion of the thought here. While we respect their decision to expand their definition of sexual abuse beyond the historically narrow terms, the Elder Accountability Team will not follow this expanded definition, which in our opinion overreaches beyond the intended boundaries to include labeling Dr. Brown's behavior between 2001 2002 as sexually abusive misconduct. Rather, we believe a more
• 37:30 - 38:00 accurate historically consistent characterization of what Dr. Brown did is moral indiscretions in the case of the wife and leadership misconduct in the case of Sarah. So, they're not considered these sexual by nature. So, holding hands, sitting on the lap, slapping someone's butt, kissing them, you know, one says kiss on the lips, one says kissing on the cheek. Um, those aren't. Now, if you just took this to the workplace, like even if you just went like as someone who works in a corporate
• 38:00 - 38:30 kind of not corporate, but like in an office setting, any of those things would be considered sexual misconduct, you know, if I swap someone in the butt, if I even if I tried kissing them on the cheeks, you know, like that's enough. And this is what's happening is like they're trying to like this this, you know, kudos to Dr. Michael Brown using this fatherdaughter analogy. Uh cuz yeah, father daughter kissing each other cheek, that's fine. But again, if you just take this to a more like work setting, um like if it's just in a regular office job, um you know, if you if you were kissing someone in the cheek
• 38:30 - 39:00 or if swaging swapping their butt or have them sit on your lap, that's that's sexual abuse. That's like sexual misconduct, sexual harassment even. Um so I don't I don't know how they can do that and then be okay with it. Because in my opinion, maybe you could say I I maybe Firefly should have said sexual harassment rather than abuse. Um because it falls well within the terms of sexual harassment. No doubt in my mind. Um and then they're upset with the innuendo of
• 39:00 - 39:30 grooming. So based on the facts that Firefly had no credible evidence has emerged between 2002 and 2025 suggest further inappropriate sexual behavior by Dr. Brown, there is no evidence to support that Dr. Brown's conduct. although foolish and inappropriate was intentional grooming and this behavior with Sarah. Still, we recognize it was a grievous lack of judgment and a violation of the conduct established by the standards of the fire school ministry. So, they don't see it as grooming. I'm sorry, but if you're a father figure, older father figure, and you're you're holding hands, rubbing calves,
• 39:30 - 40:00 you know, special treatment, you know, um meeting up at Walmart at night. These are all things that in most every other situation could lead towards a grooming kind of dynamic. Um, so all in all, it's like it's just very disappointing. So you have the Firefly Report, which made things pretty pretty clear in a lot of ways. Then you have Mercy Culture when he's an apostolic elder basically turning everyone who's a victim or anyone who's even concerned about this into demons
• 40:00 - 40:30 and Jezebel spirits and accused of the brethren, which again, I could go that whole tangent on that. I want to link do uh not doctor um he could be a doctor soon. He's working his doctorate Richard Moore's video on firm foundation from accuse of the brethren. Wonderful video uh breaks down what that actually means and the biblical understanding of that. Um so you have basically turning anyone who's a well- read theologian who has an opin public opinion or a reporter so Julie Royce into the Jezebel spirit or the accuser of the brethren and then rallying people up to say this is a
• 40:30 - 41:00 battle against the spirit not flesh and blood. So now it's a it's a spiritual attack because God told him we're going into a season of accus the brethren. So we basically because of this we no longer have to hold anyone accountable to what's going on which is just frustrating. So wrapping this all up um I'm frustrated. I'm I'm kind of tired of all this to be honest with you. Um, I think the charismatic church is really showing themselves in many ways to not um to to value vision and gifting
• 41:00 - 41:30 of a leader over accountability and biblical standards. It is really, if I could wrap this whole thing up, you have multiple people showing that providing ample testimony. Um, and we're basically concluding with it's not that big of a deal. Um, I personally think Dr. Michael Brown's disqualified as an elder. Um, I don't think, you know, he should just, you know, stop
• 41:30 - 42:00 teaching or anything like that entirely, maybe, but at least in some way take a break. I think that's the frustrating thing for a lot of people is that he's he's basically just kind of plugged his ears, turned off the comments on his videos, and has resulted in the approach of just keep moving forward, keep releasing books, keep releasing videos, and not have addressing it. Um, it's frustrating. And there's even more people that have come out with other stuff like Jonathan Welton who's also an abuser and a narcissist, self-admitted narcissist who's abused other people
• 42:00 - 42:30 who's coming to defend Dr. like, you know, types of like Dr. Michael Brown and other people who are kind of taking the Landon approach. If you know Jonathan Welton, I would stay away from his stuff, too. Um, he's got a quite the history of things, which is a whole another video. Um, but I hope you guys found this helpful. I hope uh insight was something that you guys can glean from. Um looking forward to seeing what we can commentate on with the Bethl uh podcast coming out. That's going to be an
• 42:30 - 43:00 interesting one. Uh I got some more interviews coming out soon with uh the back to Bethl series. Had a bit of a break. We got the Surge of Spring. Um and let me know in the comments if you want to see more updates on the homestead. There's a lot of stuff I'm doing the homestead. I I did put a whole irrigation system in. We got blackberries going. raspberries going. There's a lot happening right now. So, if that's something you're interested to, let me know. I would love to do some homestead updates, but that's if you want. I don't want to do homestead updates if you don't want homestead updates. So, thanks for your time. Thanks for uh watching. Thanks for listening. And
• 43:00 - 43:30 um yeah, more to come. All right. Thanks, guys.