#1 UFO Investigator Confirms Military Captured Live Alien | James Fox

Summary

In a riveting discussion, longtime UFO investigator James Fox recounts his 30-year journey investigating UFO phenomena, focusing on a fascinating case from Varginha, Brazil. Initially skeptical, Fox was eventually convinced by compelling eyewitness accounts, dramatic evidence, and firsthand experiences, including a high-ranking Brazilian military officer's admission of witnessing alien life. This narrative weaves together chilling testimonies from multiple witnesses, mysterious government interference, and the inexplicable details of a UFO crash, enhancing the story's credibility and intrigue. With his in-depth exploration, Fox invites audiences to ponder the significance of these events in the broader context of humanity’s understanding of the universe, urging viewers to remain open-minded about the possibility of alien life.

Highlights

• James Fox had initially dismissed the 1996 Varginha case as a hoax but changed his mind after investigating further. 🔍
• Witnesses in Varginha reported seeing strange creatures shortly after a reported UFO crash. 🛸
• Eyewitnesses described these beings as having large red eyes and emitting an ammonia-like odor. 😮
• A Brazilian brigadier confirmed to Fox that the event indeed happened, cementing Fox's belief in the case. 👨‍✈️
• Reports indicate U.S. military involvement in collecting debris and possibly alien entities. 🇺🇸
• The case suggests government secrecy and control over UFO-related information. 🕵️

Key Takeaways

• James Fox, after years of skepticism, finds compelling reasons to believe in a 1996 UFO encounter in Varginha, Brazil. 🛸
• Multiple eyewitnesses describe seeing alien creatures and a UFO crash, adding layers of credibility. 👽
• Fox's investigation was propelled by a credible Brazilian military officer confirming the event to him. 🇧🇷
• The eerie story includes elements of government cover-up and intimidation, heightening its mystery. 🤐
• Fox's detailed storytelling captivates, urging reflection on the potential reality of extraterrestrial life. 🌌

Overview

James Fox’s journey into the world of UFO investigations reads like a thrilling sci-fi story, yet he insists it’s all too real. Once a skeptic, Fox delved deeper into a notorious 1996 incident in Varginha, Brazil, revealing what many believe to be an encounter with extraterrestrial life. His account starts with disbelief but transforms into a gripping narrative fleshed out by interviews, military insights, and striking on-the-ground investigations.

Fox’s dedication to the Varginha case was built over years, as he pieced together eyewitness testimonies and laid a trail of mysterious hints that suggested a UFO crash and alien sightings. Details from witnesses, who included local citizens and a notable Brazilian military officer, painted a consistent and eerie picture: aliens with large red eyes and an overpowering smell that matched nothing on Earth.

The saga is hinted to be more than just science fiction fodder when Fox boldly discusses implications of government cover-ups and international ties to UFO studies. With hints of secretive military interventions and witness intimidations, Fox’s story is a masterful dive into the unknown. His passionate recounting leaves listeners questioning not just the events in Varginha but also the larger cosmic picture of life beyond our planet.

Chapters

• 00:00 - 01:00: Introduction to the UFO Incident This chapter introduces the reader to the UFO Incident, presenting it as an event with only two possible interpretations: a groundbreaking historical event or an intricate hoax. It sets the stage by emphasizing the lack of middle ground, suggesting the discovery of a UFO crash site and the existence of live aliens.
• 01:00 - 05:00: Initial Skepticism and Investigation The chapter delves into an intriguing incident involving unidentified creatures and a potential UFO crash in a town. Initially, the people of the town are portrayed as hiding in fear during broad daylight. Brazilian authorities reportedly captured these creatures, but some involved individuals allegedly died due to exposure to them. Further complicating the matter, it's claimed that the United States intervened, taking possession of the crash debris and the creatures back to the US. The chapter presents two possibilities: either these events truly occurred, or it represents one of the most elaborate hoaxes in modern history.
• 05:00 - 09:00: Involvement of Prolific Individuals The chapter titled 'Involvement of Prolific Individuals' explores the skepticism and eventual belief of a seasoned investigator regarding a controversial case. Initially, in the 90s, the investigator dismissed the case as unbelievable and refused to investigate it. However, recent revelations and new evidence have led to a change in perspective. The investigator, now convinced of the case's validity, communicates earnestly with the audience, emphasizing the significance of the findings and the years dedicated to understanding the case.
• 09:00 - 16:00: Direct Witness Accounts In this chapter, the speaker discusses their extensive investigation into a case, which involved numerous trips to Brazil over many years. Despite initial skepticism and dismissing the case for over a decade, the speaker urges the audience to stay open-minded and consider the possibility that the event occurred. They emphasize the importance of firsthand eyewitness testimony and invite readers to form their own judgments on the case's significance.
• 16:00 - 22:00: Eyewitness Testimonies and the Virginia Case The chapter titled 'Eyewitness Testimonies and the Virginia Case' delves into the Virginia, Brazil UFO sighting. The discussion is a continuation from a previous podcast and focuses on the moment of contact. The narrative begins with the host reminiscing about pre-podcast discussions, explaining that due to the expansive nature of the content, it was divided into two separate sessions. This particular chapter or segment is intended to be a standalone piece on the Virginia UFO case, detailing the initial awareness and instances relating to the phenomenon.
• 22:00 - 28:00: Significant Witnesses and Uncovered Details The chapter titled 'Significant Witnesses and Uncovered Details' focuses on the period around 1998 or 1999, when an individual started piecing together significant aspects of an event that occurred two years earlier. During this time, the person collaborated with Boris Zubof, a technical expert with proficiency in editing, sound design, and color correction. This teamwork was instrumental in putting together the details that were coming to light.
• 28:00 - 33:00: Government Involvement and Cover-Ups The chapter discusses the involvement of government and possible cover-ups related to a UFO incident that allegedly occurred in Brazil. The narrator and his associates, including a new member Tim Coleman who has a journalistic background, begin investigating the incident. Coleman, a former BBC correspondent, is described as intelligent and persuasive, pushing the group to explore this extraordinary event where a UFO is claimed to have crashed. The chapter opens up into the mysteries and government interactions related to such unexplained phenomena.
• 33:00 - 38:00: Continued Investigations and Discoveries The chapter discusses a humorous yet intriguing investigation into a supposed UFO crash in Brazil. An individual claims the alien survived and was seen walking through the town, leading to a partner on the case being dismissed for the seemingly outrageous claim. The protagonist reflects on the decision to dismiss the partner and the implications of these extraordinary claims, integrating both disbelief and curiosity into their ongoing investigations.
• 38:00 - 45:00: Exploring the Implications of the Discovery The chapter delves into a hypothetical scenario where a UFO crash results in aliens surviving and potentially walking through a populated town. The town in question, with an estimated population of 100,000 to 130,000, was previously known for its coffee, but gained attention due to this unusual event. The speaker expresses skepticism about the situation, dismissing the possibility of such an incident, which leads to tension with another person involved in the discussion.
• 45:00 - 55:00: Additional Witnesses and Accounts The chapter discusses additional witness accounts in the context of UFO phenomena. The narrator, who has worked on several UFO documentaries, mentions past works including 'Out of the Blue,' 'Out of the Blue 2,' and 'I Know What I Saw.' They have a trip planned to Brazil to further explore these topics. This snippet highlights the background and experiences of the narrator in documenting and understanding UFO sightings, emphasizing their commitment to exploring such unreported or lesser-known incidents.
• 55:00 - 63:00: Crash Site and Physical Evidence This chapter discusses a conference held in Perui, located a couple of hours south of Sao Paulo, Brazil. There is a mention of an island visible from waterfront cafes in Padibi, notable for being the exclusive habitat of a deadly snake with highly valuable venom. The island attracts poachers who risk their lives despite the danger of being killed by falling snakes.
• 63:00 - 70:00: Challenges and Criticisms The chapter 'Challenges and Criticisms' begins with a narration set around an island off the coast of Pedibbei. The narrator, accompanied by Stanton Freeman, shares an experience that transitions into a pivotal moment when they receive an unexpected phone call. This call comes from Jeff Sagansky, a significant figure working behind the scenes. Sagansky, despite the narrator's lack of resources, has been influential in supporting their mission and ambition to investigate a larger story. The chapter hints at underlying themes of support, ambition, and the pursuit of truth in the face of challenges.
• 70:00 - 75:00: The Bigger Picture and Impact The chapter discusses a conversation with Jeff Saganski, a highly respected individual who is possibly a billionaire and former executive at Sony. The narrator receives a call from Saganski, who suggests looking into the Varginha UFO crash case in Brazil. The narrator expresses reluctance, indicating prior involvement or familiarity with the case, which allegedly involves surviving aliens. The interaction captures the narrator's respect for Saganski and introduces the topic of the UFO incident.
• 75:00 - 80:00: Conclusion and Future Prospects In the conclusion and future prospects chapter, the narrator shares an anecdote about a conversation with someone named Jeff, highlighting a dismissive interaction. The narrator humorously conveys reluctance to engage with Jeff's request, indicating a lack of interest in dealing with a possibly unreasonable situation. The narrative also touches on the skepticism around extraordinary claims, such as UFOs, reflecting a broader theme of challenging conventional perspectives or entertaining unconventional ideas, albeit with humor.

#1 UFO Investigator Confirms Military Captured Live Alien | James Fox Transcription

• 00:00 - 00:30 This is either the most significant event in history or it's a most elaborate fabricated hoax I've ever seen. It's one or the other. There's no in between with this case. Either a UFO crashed and live aliens. That's right. Live aliens were walking through the
• 00:30 - 01:00 town cowering and hiding in broad daylight and captured by the Brazilian authorities. Some of them during the capture people that were involved died as exposure to these creatures allegedly. And then the US came in, grabbed the crash debris and the aliens and took them back to the United States. Now, that either happened or it's the most elaborate hoax, fabricated hoax in modern history.
• 01:00 - 01:30 There's no gray zone with this case. So, as someone who's investigated the phenomenon for 30 years, I myself did not believe this case back in the 90s when I heard about it to the point where I refused to look into it. What a [ __ ] promo. I just watched that. I'm now convinced. I'm talking to your audience cuz I'm serious as [ __ ] right now. Yeah, we got them on the screen right now. I'm just watching over here. I'm saying I'm just saying like take it from me as as someone who's done this for 30 years. I didn't believe it. I would not have spent 12 years of my life
• 01:30 - 02:00 on this case on and off, gone back and forth to Brazil countless times if I didn't believe it happened. I'm putting my credibility and reputation on the line. I get it. But I'm asking you just to suspend judgment. Don't draw any immediate conclusions because like I did and I dismissed it for over 10 years. Just imagine if it did happen. How significant would you an event would you consider this? And and just listen to the firsthand eyewitness testimony and draw your own conclusions.
• 02:00 - 02:30 Brilliant. So I had mentioned we had talked about this during the bathroom break a little bit ago that this was going to be two podcast now because I saw the length we were going and everything. So we're in the second podcast. So for people who haven't seen the first podcast or you know cuz this is going to be a standalone kind of thing on its own about moment of contact in particularly when did this case of the Virginia of the Virginia Brazil UFO sighting that you are referring to first come onto your radar? It was
• 02:30 - 03:00 1998 so two years after the event. Yeah. And I was making I was starting uh putting the pieces together and kind of mapping out out of the blue. It could have been 99, but I was 98 or 99, excuse me. And um I had teamed up with a couple of people. One guy that I'd worked with in the past, Boris Zubof, who's a technical wizard, brilliant editor, technical sound design, color correction, that kind of thing. We teamed up on a couple
• 03:00 - 03:30 of things. We'd worked together. And then I brought a new guy in, this guy Tim Coleman. And when the three of us and Tim had some resources, I was broke as a joke. And Tim also had a a journalistic background. I think he was a former BBC correspondent. Very brilliant guy, articulate, amazing. He's like, "Oh, mate, we got to look into this this this incident that happened in Brazil." And I was like, "What what incident are you talking about?" He goes, "A UFO crashed. It's absolutely
• 03:30 - 04:00 phenomenal, you know." And I was like, "Okay, a UFO crash in Brazil." and he's like, "Yeah, and the alien survived." And they were walking through the town. I went, "Okay, I picked the wrong partner for this case." Uh, right. Sure. Uh, Tim, yeah, we'll look into it. And, uh, you know, literally, that's what I did. And I just like put him aside. And actually, he was pissed off that I just dismissed him in the story like just like that, right? There's no
• 04:00 - 04:30 way a UFO could crash. The aliens survive the the the impact site, be walking through the town, highly populated town, get witnessed and captured. A profit ballpark. How many people live there at the time? Like how big? 100,000 maybe 100,000 130,000. Yeah. It was known for coffee before this. And and and the whole world not I'm sorry, that's just impossible. So I refused to look into it. And he was actually pissed off with me. He was like, "You just dismissed me in the case." And I said, "Well, yeah, I sure I
• 04:30 - 05:00 did. You can't make that claim and not back it up. No. And so, um, I didn't look into it. I didn't. And I've did I did two UFO do I did out of the blue. Out of the blue, too. Then I did I know what I saw. Then 200 2011. I've done all these UFO films. I'm going down to Brazil and uh on a on on I Know What I Saw. I was going to talk about I know what I saw just my UFO background in
• 05:00 - 05:30 general at a conference at a place called Perui. I think it's like couple of hours south of Sa Paulo. I'll stick that on the map in the corner. Cool. And there's an island right off the coast of Padibi that you can see from the cafes at the waterfront cafes and you see this island and it's got this deadly snake. It's only place on Earth that has this deadly snake and it's venom is apparently very valuable. And so these poachers would go to the island and try to poach these snakes venom and the snakes would drop out of trees and kill these poachers.
• 05:30 - 06:00 And so that was like we're all talking about this like island off the coast of Pedibbei and we could see it from the cafes and I was there with Stanton Freeman yada yada yada. So, um, I'm there on unrelated. I get a phone call right before I leave to Sa Paulo from a guy named Jeff Sagansky who's been very influential behind the scenes in helping me, this independent guy with no resources, just, you know, an ambition basically of wanting to look into this whole story and all the rest of it. And and
• 06:00 - 06:30 I'm respect him tremendously. He's like almost probably a billionaire. He ran Sony and big big big time. Look him up, Jeff Saganski. So I have tremendous respect for him. So I'm not going to dismiss him in front of his face or anything, but he pick I pick up the phone and he's like, "You're going to Brazil." I said, "Yeah." He goes, "Oh, you got to look into that varia UFO crash case." I was like, "Fuck, not this again." And this time it's happening with Jeff Sagansky. I was like, "Uh, you mean the one with the UF the aliens survived the the crash? That one?" He's like, "Oh yeah,
• 06:30 - 07:00 yeah, you got to look into." I was like, "Sure, Jeff. I'll look into that for you." Click. like I'll just go [ __ ] myself right now. I was like, when I couldn't tell Jeff how how quickly I just I was like, "Yeah, Jeff, yeah, sure. I'll look into that for you." Click. No intention of looking into it. I was like, "I don't do crazy." Okay. You sure? There's a few people listening. They might argue that. I know. I know. 52 DC UFOs. That's all I'm saying. So, anyway, I get there at this conference
• 07:00 - 07:30 and I meet a couple of witnesses and a couple of researchers and Stanton Freriedman was there. Stan's like, "Oh, yeah." Like, I looked into that case. I was like, "Really?" He goes, "Well, yeah. I just happened to be in Brazil and I was speaking for when it happened, so I I was caught up in it a little bit. I looked at Yes." He goes, "Wow, the fire department and police department and these three girls and came within, you know, 8 ft of this lock. What? Like three?" Really? He goes, "Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, no. Yeah." I thought, okay,
• 07:30 - 08:00 well, I have tremendous respect for Stanton Friedman. Stanton Freeman, you know, physicist, a nuclear physicist, helped uncover Roswell, like, you know, come on, Stanton Freeman, one of the best. I was like, okay, well, geez. All right. And then I met some witnesses. I met some other researchers in Brazil. And I was like, okay, maybe I was wrong. Maybe there is something to this story. Is this still 2011? Okay. Yep. 2011.
• 08:00 - 08:30 Okay. So, I was like, well, maybe there is something to this story. So, I started looking into it. But you weren't going to include it in the phenomenon. Well, my intention was to Yes. to do that cuz I did I did some filming. But as I got into the case, it started getting there was so many levels of detail. Like I talked earlier with you guys about Sakoro. How many aspects of that encounter like the symbol? So sorry
• 08:30 - 09:00 on the last podcast I talked about Sakuro. I talked about the symbol that was on the side of the craft and I talked about the metal shavings and all this stuff. Well, all those factors were not included in ultimately what ended up on the screen in the phenomenon, right? You only have so much time. When did you have a moment where you're like, "Wait a second. I think I believe this." Like how long I'll tell you exactly that moment happened. So I it was 200 Well, okay. So I I was
• 09:00 - 09:30 suspecting something truly crazy happened. I was suspecting that, but exactly what I don't know, but I was like there's enough here to merit more of my time. So I went back in 2012. Then I went back in 201 13 or 14. um went and then I had boots on the ground. I was working with this other guy named Marco Leal who's amazing. He's he's and him and a whole crew of others
• 09:30 - 10:00 and um they were going back and forth and we were constant in contact and trying to reach additional witnesses and I get an interview I'm sorry if I could tell you if it was 2013 or 2014. I'm sorry I don't remember. Probably 2013 with a general uh sorry brigadier air force Brazilian. His name is Jose Carlos Pereira. Are you doing it with a translator or does he speak English? He spoke a little English, but with a translator, but he did speak a little English. And um he said, "I'll give you
• 10:00 - 10:30 an interview about UFOs in Brazil, but if you ask me about Varia, this interview's terminated and I'm leaving the room." I was like, "What?" Yeah, you don't talk about Yeah, UFOs are real, but I'm not talking about Virginia. Not not you mention it and this is this interview's terminated. Oh might could your head also think though potentially oh he thinks that one's so stupid that he's not going to waste his time with it or was it only like oh [ __ ]
• 10:30 - 11:00 he's got something to hide. Something to hide. Okay. No question. So okay. So I made him that promise that I wouldn't. So but I was like well that's weird right? Cuz if it didn't happen he would just say oh that's there's nothing to that case. Don't ask me. So anyway at the end of the interview Jose Carlos Per I've got photographs of this interview. He's in the film, too. He's in the Moment of Contact at the end. He's dead. That's why I'm talking about this, cuz I wouldn't. I promised him I wouldn't. I got to the point where I was almost licking this guy's boots. I mean, I'm When I tell you that I was praying,
• 11:00 - 11:30 I was like, I was doing this. I was doing this. Marco was too. Marco was translating what I was saying. I was like, "Please, just please. I swear. I swear on my life, there are no recording devices. I've got no audio, no cameras rolling, nothing. This is between the three of us. I'll take it to the grave so long as you're alive. Did VGA happen? What happened in Vargia? I'm looking him dead square in the eyes. I'm looking right into his soul. You got some strong eyes, too. I
• 11:30 - 12:00 wanted to [ __ ] know if that damn case happened. And I wanted to know. And I knew he knew. And I was begging and pleading. So was Marco. Marco was right there with me. Walks back to his car. I'm begging him, please, just please. He get sits down in the back of his car. He's got a driver. And he sits down. He leaves the door open. Marco and I were standing right there. And he looked at us and he said, "It happened. Close the door. Off
• 12:00 - 12:30 he went." I was like, And then he's probably laughing on the road like, "Those dumb mother." No, no, no, no, no, no. I looked into this guy's soul, man. I'm telling you. And it was like this guy confirmed it to me and I knew right then and there. I was all, "Okay, that's pretty good proof for me." I wouldn't want to lie to your eyes. You really people I don't know if they can appreciate that on camera, but you got some you got some ice in those veins. I I will look into someone's soul with my eyes. Yeah, I will. I feel it. You're like poking around. It's kind of violating me right now. I might press charges. Get out of here. Stop [ __ ]
• 12:30 - 13:00 me with your soul. Oh my god. Well, I do I you know, I'm incredibly curious human being. Like when I hear about something, I want to get to the bottom of it. I want every detail. I want to be put on the scene. I want to experience it. I'm fascinated by this topic. I'm fascinated by this story in a way that, you know, I have to remind your audience like if it's true, these accounts are
• 13:00 - 13:30 true. This could have something to do with it's a big part of the bigger picture of the universe. Yes. Something to do with our existence. Do they have a hand in our ex? Who knows? It's a meaning of life question if I've ever seen one. It's a meaning of life question. It's the bigger picture of the universe, the bigger picture of reality. Jesus, you know, this is potentially incredibly significant. Even if we don't have all the answers, this is incredibly significant. And so, um, when I get to a witness, I don't
• 13:30 - 14:00 just believe a story. I don't believe any stories. Usually, I start off by not believing the stories. There's no way. I like that about you. You have you have a high you have a high threshold of skepticism and [ __ ] mean. I really do, you know, and and I had some people in Australia. I was investigating a landing case with Shane R. Shane uh Yeah. Shane Ryan did a short film on it. It's about a UFO landing that took place in 1966 at Westall Primary School and there were 365 people standing outside
• 14:00 - 14:30 in broad daylight on recent. Oh yeah. This was in the phenomenon. Fascinating case. And there was a guy who was the English professor. I think he's actually finally come out. He'd been hiding for 50 years. And I remember the fellow researchers in the area when I arrived, "Don't even bother trying. Mr. Greenwood will never talk. It ain't going to happen. We've been trying for 50 years." I said, "Get me in the room with him. That's it. Just get me in the room with this guy. These eyes take advantage." And and and I looked him in the eyes sitting down at a
• 14:30 - 15:00 cafe and his wife had left. Thank God. cuz his wife's like, "Baby, you ain't talking about this." But I looked him dead square in the eyes and I and and one of the fellow researchers looked at me and he goes, "What were you doing?" I said, "I was looking into his soul, you know, because I want to know." Anyway, so I I I I one of my techniques cuz it's not like it's it's real in the sense that I really do want to know what the truth is. I want to know what the person knows. I want to know if they're full of [ __ ] I want to know
• 15:00 - 15:30 biggest thing in life is to waste one's time. You don't get that back. Yeah. You know what I mean? Don't waste my time. Do what you say you're going to do or whatever. Follow through. You know, let's not let's just be honest here. Let's just get And so I looked into Jose Carlos Pereira's eyes. Very intense. I I I don't think I've ever taken a crowbar and pried harder than I did with him. What year is this now? Cuz probably 2013. All right. So this is and
• 15:30 - 16:00 you're in the highest level Brazilian Air Force official I'd ever met with. I'd met with an Air Force general. Sorry, a an army general. Got him on camera and he he skirted the issue a little bit with me as well. But this guy had a soul. He had a heart and a soul and I kind of cracked it and both Mark and I kind of cracked it just for a moment just to get through. So anyway, so that at that point I was like, "All right, this I'm going to look into this case further because and I had some
• 16:00 - 16:30 people that I'd worked with in the past like Leslie Kane and Jacqu Valet and a number of people. They were like, I'd be careful on this one. I don't know if it seems something fishy or I don't you know, it's like well I said I I get your I know I know how you feel. I I I understand. Just let me just just trust my judgment a little bit on this one. Let me roll. Don't you know and you're kind of bookmarking it because you're working on the phenomenon. You obviously are making a decision now where you're like I want to do this separately. So this is going to be the next one. I I tried to squeeze it in to the phenomenon
• 16:30 - 17:00 and it just didn't happen. I tried for eight months and I shot a bunch of times and I didn't it was too big of a story. There was too many moving parts. I couldn't w I just couldn't get it down to it wasn't like a sighting. It was old story of a crash and this there were witnesses that had disappeared for 20 plus years. I just, you know, so I kept going and I kept going and we kept going and I said, "Marco, excuse me. We got to find the crash witness guy, Carl Dalza. Where the hell is he?"
• 17:00 - 17:30 I don't know. He's been off the radar for 26 years, 25 years. Nobody can find him. It's like, well, we got to find him. What about this other guy? We got to find him. What about the, you know, somebody involved with as a military base? We got, you know, so we're going after all these these people. Finally, we had enough contacts from over the last 11 12 years where I was going to go one final time and shoot. And that's when Allessie, you know, um I guess Allessie saw me on Joe Rogan and he would contacted me and said, "Hey, uh
• 17:30 - 18:00 love to be a part of any kind of, you know, production, whatever." And I I said, and you know, I've heard that many times in the past, you know, and people don't really have the follow through. And for people that didn't see the last podcast, unless he's in the studio with us right now. Yeah. Yeah. If you're just listening and not watching. Yeah. Sorry. So So, uh, so I said, "You know, I might do this production. Stay in touch." And he How old were you? 21. Yep. Yeah. So he got he got he got back in touch and lo and behold, there's Allessie. You know, I was like, "Okay, well, you know,
• 18:00 - 18:30 we might be doing this shoot and then another couple weeks, whatever. I'm doing this shoot in Brazil for a month. He's never going to show up." Yeah. So then I said, "I tell you what, we we're going to be staying at this hotel room in Sa Paulo. If you show up, you you jump in the, you know, jump in, you'll be part of the crew. Can you carry cameras? Can you do Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm never going to see this kid again." He shows up in Sa Paulo, gets his ass over there, and boom, there he is. And uh yeah, that and and we shot for a solid month. And we'd had contacts
• 18:30 - 19:00 that we'd been, you know, working with and talking to and sometimes even previously taken on camera for, like I said, the last 11, 12 years. So, we had them kind of quasi lined up and then we had a couple of potentials that were like thinking about it, like maybe, you know, and then we had others that were like, I don't care how much money or anything you offer me, it's never going to happen. Don't even try. How big how big was the crew again? like total people that you had including five or six cuz we had G. Yeah. Dave. Yep. You.
• 19:00 - 19:30 Yep. Um Emily. Emily. Me. And then the translators ped and and Marco research. So we had eight. Looks like a ped. So we had a crew of seven. Yeah. It's a good tight crew. Yeah. Good tight crew. And uh and then we had we had we'd found Military X. Marco found Military X. This the guy that
• 19:30 - 20:00 allegedly drove the creature around. I I maybe I should get into the story a little bit. Yeah. So let let me let me reshuffle the deck here so that we can Hey guys, quick note for you. As I announced last week, we are officially live with the Patreon. I'm hoping to grow this community so that I can invest back in the show and put out more episodes in the future. Right now, we are featuring exclusive content over there, as well as some preview clips and some behind the scenes with me. And pretty soon, we're also going to have a patronon Discord as well as some other
• 20:00 - 20:30 cool things. So, please check out the link in the description for the page. And I hope to see you guys over there. Thank you. We can start this from the top and organize this because the way one of the best parts of the documentary was how simply you put this together almost like five to sixish chapters that covered from each angle. I think it was like six total major witnesses that were covered here ironically. So it's like six degrees of separation and they were all
• 20:30 - 21:00 unrelated except for maybe one of them. But let's start with Carlos Sosa, which I I definitely knew a Coke dealer named Carlos Sosa. That's really [ __ ] with me. But this was the guy who allegedly you at least already mentioned that what generally what happened here. These aliens got out, they were alive, people saw them in Virginia, and that's why he didn't believe it. But Carlos Sosa was the Virginia resident who was
• 21:00 - 21:30 present by this field that allegedly saw the UFO come down and crash. Carlos Sza was a professor in Sao Paulo which is about 5 hours to the south and he was also an ultralight pilot and he Oh, he was he was flying the bricks. He was flying. Gotcha. Yeah, that's his cover story. No, but he was going ultra he was going to go meet with some of his friends and go fly ultral light airplanes uh in a place called uh the state of Minus Jet Ice which is also
• 21:30 - 22:00 part of Varia and as of the military base. Anyway, he's driving. It's super early in the morning. He's going to meet with these guys to go ultralight flying. And um I'll put him in the corner of the screen so people can see him. Yeah, I think it's like 5 a.m. and he uh sees this cigar- shaped metallic object in the sky, not very high up in the in the sky above him, uh flying erratically, slowly. It had a huge gash in the side
• 22:00 - 22:30 of it. He said it had like a white vapor, not like smoke that you'd expect from a fire, but like a white vapor coming out the backside. How high approximately did he say it was like? Uh I got I I got the feeling that it was like thousand feet above him maybe. Okay. Not high. He he was like this thing's coming down. Like he was and he never once thought alien extra. Not at once. He was like, "Oh my god, what is this thing? It's like a cigar- shaped. Didn't you see wings?" He was like he
• 22:30 - 23:00 didn't know what it was, but it was in trouble and he was watching it and it was struggling to keep its altitude and it was coming down. And then he sees it go down behind a hill. So he lost sight of it, but it was going down. Like he was like, "This thing was crashing. No, no question." So he gets off the freeway and he drives up a dirt road on a farm called the Myelini Farm and it's January 13th, roughly 5:00 a.m. It's dawn 1996. 1996. He's driving
• 23:00 - 23:30 up this dirt road into the direction of where he saw this thing go down and he comes upon a football fields size area of metallic debris like almost like tinfoil and then a very large portion of the craft still intact and again it was like we we have illustrations I don't know if you have them we have illustrations in the film um and what I do for when I do uh
• 23:30 - 24:00 illustrations or animations for any film project, I cut myself out of the loop. I hire an illustrator or an artist and I put that artist directly in touch with the witness. Why would you have the witness described to me what they saw and then me translate that to the artist? I just put the two of them directly in touch and then they they go at it. So, he sees this field of debris and this uh this large section of the craft still intact. Um, and he described
• 24:00 - 24:30 the whole thing when it was in the air about the size of a of a school bus, like you know those big school buses. He gets out of the car and immediately he's overwhelmed with this extreme this stench of ammonia and sulfur. He said it was so intense. He grabbed his t-shirt. He pulled it up over his face and he held it like this and he was like, "What?" You know, one of my
• 24:30 - 25:00 this this he kind of last thing he expected and he sees this like tinfoil type material and he goes down and he grabs a piece of it and he said it was like about this big and he crippled it up with his hands and he said he didn't feel anything like it wasn't even in his hands. It just was so light and then he said it when he let it go it regained its shape and he's like what you know he's just to himself he's like what the
• 25:00 - 25:30 hell and at which point the opposite direction on the dirt road from where he drew where he drove in came these military trucks and jeeps and I think one of them maybe even an ambulance and they came in from the opposite direction. How soon? Within minutes. Within minutes. And um but he he didn't say like it was 45 seconds or something. He was just like within minutes. Within minutes. Yeah. Within minutes. Yeah. Within minutes. Cuz I didn't know if like maybe you know Tim Fo had on here.
• 25:30 - 26:00 They were tracking it and they're like, "Oh, there it is." And they're already there. You know what I mean? Yeah. Undoubtedly that's what happened. But but in any case, um and ultimately he was uh at gunpoint um told to leave. He didn't see anything. He you know he wasn't supposed to be there. You know what all these things. So he was like still he thought maybe it was a secret test program and he witnessed something he shouldn't have witnessed. He was like [ __ ] left. He was terri scared like you know and um he gets a
• 26:00 - 26:30 couple miles down the road and he stops off at a gas station. I've seen the very gas station. He's having gets a coffee and he's trying to calm his nerves and just process everything that just happened. and he has a coffee and he comes out and he sees an unmarked government looking car, black or dark blue like an Opal he described it with no license plates pull in and two men in suits get out and they came up to him and they knew his name, they
• 26:30 - 27:00 knew his wife's name, they knew where he lived, they knew about his kid, his daughter and like you know you didn't see anything you talk about Brazil they were all Brazilian all that those my impression was that they were Brazilian Yes. Okay. But I didn't ask him. But that's a good question. But yes, that they definitely spoke. You like a cheeseburger. I know. So, uh, they spooked him. They're like, you know, things are going to get very weird if you talk about what you saw. Then the accounts a week later of
• 27:00 - 27:30 these strange creatures is spreading like wildfire in the headlines. And these three girls that come upon in the town of Argentina, which wasn't far from where he saw this this UFO, this thing crash, these reports coming out of these beings, these girls are talking about it. Uh these three sisters about a week later were walking through the town, a little shortcut in the town of Varia, Brazil. It was January 20th, about 3:00 in the afternoon, 1996.
• 27:30 - 28:00 Three girls, two sisters, Liliani, uh Lilani, Viraia, and then Katya was a friend. Uh was she older? Yeah. Katya was 21, Lilani was 16, and Vyia was 14. Got it. And they were coming coming home. It was, like I said, it was about 3:00 in the afternoon, and they were going through this like field that had a cinder block wall on one side and partly on another side. almost like a kind of a an area that looked like it was going to
• 28:00 - 28:30 be constructed but then it kind of stopped and they had like tall grass going to the field and they were going through there taking this shortcut. Quick question. Yes. Just so I remember what time did you say the 13th. It was the morning of the 13th at around 5:00 a.m. 4:30. So before before the sun's up. Yes. About a week about a week earlier. Okay. Yeah. A week earlier. About a week earlier. Yeah. Six seven days. Yeah. Okay. So now a week later and you do a brilliant job in in the documentary by the way. One of my favorite things you do is you have you
• 28:30 - 29:00 have a lot of great drone shots and do stuff from above. But one of the features you have is you will put you'll have the drone shot like a map like a Google Earth almost but it's yours and you'll put the exact location like written out so people can see where everything is in relation. And what's crazy about the girl sighting is this is in the middle of the town. Yeah. It's in like what what was it behind again at the now it's an abandoned like kind of field but was it the same thing at the time like it was behind a wall? Yeah, it
• 29:00 - 29:30 was like a like a it was like a lot that would could be potentially developed that wasn't developed and it had like cinder block walls almost like you know like one lot and then there was another lot that was developed. And what were they doing there? They were just taking a shortcut going home. Okay. Yeah. And they said there was some graffiti on the cinder block wall which is still there today. And that got their attention and they were kind of looking at the graffiti and then they see this like remind your audience this is broad daylight. Okay. They see this thing like
• 29:30 - 30:00 is it is it a statue? Like what? It was just this thing. It was um it was crouching down. Excuse me. I'm sorry. Uh it was crouching down. And I don't know if I can do this without going off camera here, but but it was like like this. Yeah. Up against right here. Up against the wall. I'll put that picture in the corner. Okay. That's exactly right. So, it's crouching down. And Liliani, who was in the front,
• 30:00 - 30:30 who's 16 years old, shrieked when she realized it looked like a some kind of weird creature. She makes a gasp, audible, loud, and the creature turns its head and looks them straight in the eye. Liliani grabs her younger sister, Vyuria, by the hand and hightails it out of there, screaming, but they got eye contact with it from about 8 to 10 feet away. And she just now she's like, she
• 30:30 - 31:00 thinks she sees the devil. She doesn't know what the hell this thing is. And how did they describe the eyes? Well, I'll get to that in a second. Okay. So, they hightail it out. Liliani and her sister Valkyia, and they're running, screaming and running. They get about 100 ft down the down the path, and they realize Katya is still there. And they, Liliani turns back and sees Katya frozen in her tracks, staring at this thing, just locking eyes on it. She runs back.
• 31:00 - 31:30 She's like, I got to go help Katya. So she runs back, leaves her sister Kat Katya and runs back to grab sorry leaves her sister Valkyia runs back and grabs Katya and grabs her by the hand and yanks her out of there. And what was did Katya say what she was doing during that time? So check it out. So I was like, "Oh my gosh." Like they all got face to face with this thing within 8 to 10 feet away, but Katya had a prolonged face to face with her. So I said to her, "Put me there." Yeah. This was like
• 31:30 - 32:00 your best moment documentary. Put me there. During that moment of contact, in other words, and I thought to myself, okay, I'm going to revisit that title. I think I like it. During that moment of contact, when you locked eyes on this creature, this being, this thing, was there any level of communication? Did you feel anything? And that's when she said, "Help me. I'm in distress. I'm feeble. I'm weak. I'm suffering. help
• 32:00 - 32:30 me. And did she hear a voice or like or was it like a you know because of the language? Well, no. Because of the language barrier, maybe I didn't get that level of because I said to her, did you feel any communication? Well, there was no verbal communication. There was no vocal communication. So, it's either done with images or it was done I because what what's here's another thing in that underscores how amazing the content you did get was. Yeah.
• 32:30 - 33:00 this entire documentary you're working through interpreters. None of these people speak English. Yes. So you are you don't know which words corresponded with which. So their body language you're trying to read like what draws the most emotion. It's not like you're hearing it in English and we hear someone say the word alien and we can see their face right at that instant second and you're and you're dealing with you know 30 60 seconds of talking 30 60 seconds of translating you giving back the same thing coming back around to them. So there's like this time in between and you're trying to cover all
• 33:00 - 33:30 these details to get every possible thing filled in. So there's got my point is there even for you there has to be some things like what I just asked that like didn't get addressed or out there. So uh one thing about me is that I have to have some level of community. I speak fluent French and I speak a little Spanish. And like I give you an example. When I was going to Russia to do out of the when I was working on out of the blue, I was learning Russian on the airplane basic expressions. Yes. No.
• 33:30 - 34:00 Yay. Navui. Just like getting little, you know, uh bashawi. No. Jim walks off the he walks James walks off the airplane. Da. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, uh and and and I cannot stand not being able to communicate. It's like so important to me. So, I'm when I was in the field in in um listening to Portuguese in in Brazil, I
• 34:00 - 34:30 was slowing time down with my brain. I know it sounds weird, but I would I was focusing so hard. I was trying harder than I've ever tried. I would try to slow time down a little bit and I would slow the words down and then I would take the Latin root, you know, like, oh, this sounds like the French one of this. Okay, I got a word there. Terra, I got this, you know, and I was taking probably catching one every five words, maybe slowing it down cuz things are going really quickly. I didn't, this didn't always happen, but I wanted to understand so badly what was being said.
• 34:30 - 35:00 Man, you have no idea like how bad I wanted to understand. Oh, I do. There's a lot of memeable moments your faces during this documentary just it's incredible laser-like focus and then half the time after a couple of weeks I would translate the vast majority of what was just said in the field and the translator would go yeah that's you're really like wow you're understanding I was like I was understanding more and more every day obviously speaking is different you start to understand you know first and then the speaking comes
• 35:00 - 35:30 later but in any case but yeah that was certainly an element of of of difficulty another layer that I had to deal with in the field. And um nobody I would well actually no the the female interpreter was was she was bilingual. No question about that. She was bilingual. Yeah. Marco not so much. He's he's pretty good but not bilingual. Being bilingual is what it takes. Um what do you mean Marco wasn't bilingual? My uh there's fluent and then there's bilingual. Fluent is when you can
• 35:30 - 36:00 communicate primarily what you're thinking, right? Yeah. But he wasn't Portuguese. He's uh bilingual in the sense that you could speak English just as well as you speak Portuguese. You could speak Portuguese just as well as there's no it's seamless transition. I thought he was from there. He is from there, but he's not. His English isn't that great. Oh, okay. No, I see. Okay. All right. I was looking at the other way. Yeah. No, he's fully Brazil. Sorry, I didn't clarify that well enough for you. So, uh, but in any case, um, you know, uh, and when you want to know about something that bad enough, I don't
• 36:00 - 36:30 know, you the brain has an uncanny ability to do amazing things. Yeah. And they I I had asked this a few minutes ago, but you were going through it and I want to come back to it with with the eyes because what who was the one? Katcha was the one who was left behind. Yes. She was 21 years old. So she had the prolonged contact and she had the potentially telepathic content here. Yes. Or or contact here. They all felt that it was non-threatening. It was
• 36:30 - 37:00 suffering from the heat. It was suffering from exposure to the elements and that it wanted help. They all none of them felt threatened by it. They were scared of the unknown. Two of them ran totally scared of the unknown. They thought it was the devil. But they didn't feel threatened. I said because they're religious. Yeah. They were religious. Highly religious. Thought it was the devil. The devil. And uh but they didn't know they never thought this is an ET never but they all described in the picture once again I'll put it in the corners from the documentary as well they all describe this figure with big
• 37:00 - 37:30 red eyes and the in a creepy way the same way you see the kids from Zimbabwe and the phenomenon from 94 on the John Mack tapes describing the eyes they say like three four times the size you hear and you've heard some of the other cases where they say three four times the size they such a similar preacher. That's what these girls describe except for once and this is what I don't know if you caught this, but we we were we were looking at this a couple days ago and I think it was Katchcha cuz she was the
• 37:30 - 38:00 older one. She at one point was it Katchcha or was it the other one who said slits? It was Katya cuz that's the red air. Oh, she was talking about the mouth. Slit for a mouth. No, she said but did she [ __ ] up? Because she might have [ __ ] up. She definitely meant mouth. No question. asked about the mouth he said the mouth was like you could barely see it was like a slit and I have heard they all said big eyes I have heard people in your other cases describe the mouth as a slit but she said and then the eyes like slits with an S right and so I that was
• 38:00 - 38:30 the one time where I heard a a contradiction there yeah I had them all draw they all drew it out so she she must have she must have misstepped okay definitely cuz she was referring to the mouth was assasses did I have a mouth they all said it was like you didn't really see it was like a slit like it was not even it was non it was a non before we before we get to the second layer though of the mom coming cuz that was when it got really compelling and I want to I want to go there just to
• 38:30 - 39:00 recount here you had said this was a week after Carlos Sosa allegedly saw January 20th so he was you talked about it he was visited and everything but after he gets to visits like that day and the day after is he just chilling for a week and there's no creature sightings reported yet he never thinks alien he never thought UFO alien. Never. He thought he witnessed a a government super secret craft. He didn't see any aliens. He didn't think alien. But then when he heard about the beings that the girls described, he was like,
• 39:00 - 39:30 "Holy [ __ ] that must have been connected to the UFO I saw crash. That thing I saw." So he gets in touch with a guy named Cladio Kovo, who's a a very wellrespected Brazilian UFO researcher. He's also an engineer or architect. And he gives one on camera statement in 1996. Excuse me. Right after it happened late January. Yeah. Um, right around there, right after this whole thing happened, he got in touch. There were other truck drivers that that
• 39:30 - 40:00 had that had come forward as well that were on camera, but I couldn't get my hands on that footage. But in any case, his daughter Cynthia Kovo was present during the interview. you know, 26 years ago with uh Carlos Daza and her father Clai Kovo and he he does one on camera statement and then he vanishes for 26 years. I with the help of Marco obviously get in touch. Cladio has since deceased. His daughter has all the
• 40:00 - 40:30 archives including the original drawings, the taped interview with Carlos Sosa, whatever was whatever else he had, photographs and things of that nature. She shares it all with us and she says, "I'm now a psychologist. I met Carlos right after he saw that." Within weeks, he met with my father. He was trembling and scared. He was smoking cigarette after cigarette after cigarette. And she's like, "There's no question in my This is before I met Carlosa. I'd seen one horribly shot,
• 40:30 - 41:00 grainy ass, terribly broken up VHS, whatever. We managed to get the original taped interview from Cladio Kovo. Thank God. And uh and she said, "I'm a psychologist now. No question this guy's telling the truth." Marco had found him, persuaded him over about a year period to come forward. He did. He met with us. And um and then I said, I want to take him out to the site for the first time in 26 years. And let's show that real
• 41:00 - 41:30 quick because this is this is something you even had a preview of it in the trailer that when you first put it out before the a couple months before the documentary. But when we talk about all these instances on on the last podcast when we talked about him and when we talk about this in general and like you know do people really believe or are they bullshitting and you know there's always some who are bullshitting but like you know this guy believes what he saw because th this is this was like you I'm just going to let the clip play so people can see us. I took a long time to
• 41:30 - 42:00 find the spot. I was actually on the verge of give wanting to give up. I'm not I wasn't going to give up, but I was like, uh, that is some [ __ ] unbelievable Yeah. footage right there. I mean, you if as a viewer who's not there, if you can't feel that, I can't really help you. I mean, that's like uh uh Dave West is a seasoned uh director of photography. He's worked with National Geographic. He's worked with presidents in the White House. He's he's all that was one of the top three
• 42:00 - 42:30 moments of he goes if that guy is lying he deserves you don't need Brad Pitt or Leonardo DiCaprio anymore actor of all time. Yeah. This guy's Yeah. I mean the way he just kept saying a like you you can see his brain like processing like you know like someone who has to go back to like like someone who's suffering from PTSD has to go back to the place where their buddy died or something like that. It's the same. That was when I was talking to you earlier about Travis Walton, Fire in the Sky, 1975,
• 42:30 - 43:00 Snowflake, Arizona. And when we went back to the site after years he'd been there, and we did someh It's a whole another story, but we cut trees direct proximity to the UFO, and that was one of the reasons why I took Travis, but I saw that same reaction where their eyes are open, and yet you could see, you could almost pass your hand in front of them that they were had a film strip in their mind. they were reliving that scene. Do you know what I mean? Like you could just see it like they're not they're somewhere else. Pretty intense. And and
• 43:00 - 43:30 it just, you know, for someone who had looked at this case originally and thought that this might be [ __ ] and then to kind of get yourself to a spot 13 years later to hear about it again and be like, I'm going to look at it. And then you spend two, three years really looking. You're like, oh my god. Then you have that moment where the guy's like, "It happened." And you're like, "Holy shit." And then you're trying to finish this whole phenomenon. You get that done and now you're like, "All right, I'm going down to do it." You know, you don't know that you're going to get that when when
• 43:30 - 44:00 people when people go to make these documentaries. Like, think about what's a good oldtimer. Like the the documentary Inside Job from 2009 about the financial crisis. You ain't going to get it if you don't try. Well, sure. But I'm saying like those guys, they knew how the movie ended. Uhhuh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Yep. You don't know. You might go down there and you might not get what you need and you're like crash and burn. We can't do it. Easily could easily could have crashed and burned, but you got it. Yeah. You know, and and and Military X. Well, so we'll get
• 44:00 - 44:30 there. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz I'll tell you how close we came to not getting that one. So the But let's let's stay with these two cuz now I think we have so so well covered here. We talked about the three daughters. The second layer of that I had mentioned was the mother who then you have come by. So she was the mother of two of them, right? Lilani and Vularia. Okay. So the two younger ones. Yes. So she describes her two daughters and Katya showing up at the house screaming. So after they had gone back and gotten Katya Yeah.
• 44:30 - 45:00 they come back and they're horrified. Horrified. And she says, "Take me there." Yes. And then what happens? The Liliani and Vyia who's 14 and 16 said, "There's no way we're going back." So then he she grabs Katcha who's 21 and she's begging and pleading. Kata, you got Kata says, "I don't want to go. I don't want to go." And she finally talks her into it. So she leaves Vyuria and Lilani who refuse to go back and she goes jumps in their truck and they drive a few blocks away and get to the get to
• 45:00 - 45:30 the location. At which point the mother describes this smell like ammonia and sulfur. The same smell that Carlos Daza describes. Everyone describes this powerful. They said if you've ever smelled a skunk at close range, multiply that by a thousand. It's almost paralyzing. That's what they all said. And it stuck in your nasal cavity sometimes for days or even weeks. And she said she put rubbing alcohol. I
• 45:30 - 46:00 think she was doing like vinegar and rubbing just trying to get it, you know, out of there. And um so she's met with that. The creature's gone, but the footprint there's a footprint. exactly where the girl said it was in the sand and then she draws the footprint for us which a lot of the witnesses described this. So if the foot and this things these things were bipedal if it let's just say it was like that and it had this other digit on the side. So when it's standing up that stabilizes it
• 46:00 - 46:30 because if you got two you're not going to walk very well but it's got this other digit on the side apparently and that would be the imprint in the sand would have been that's what everyone is sorry I want you to do that for the camera clearly do that with your thumb again. Yeah so people can see exactly what it is. Like another digit coming out the side to sort of stabilize it for walking which would say it's three. Yeah. Because you're you're I love this. you're going to a major question I had about this film because like you were saying with the smell it's amazing when
• 46:30 - 47:00 you hear all these different people and in other cases by the way talk about sulfur ammonia like this what they can't get it out for for days and [ __ ] like that everyone's describing it the same a lot of people are describing the eyes the same a lot of people are describing the size the same it's childlike or whatever big head spittle arms feeble yeah so with this one where you have the foot we're going to get to military X I don't want to give the full context text there yet. People will get that later. But there is another great witness, this guy Military X, that you have later in the documentary. Yes. Who very
• 47:00 - 47:30 specifically, as you point out, when he goes to describe the foot, very clearly says two Yeah. digits, but he's doing as you just did, he's doing this with his thumb. And I watched you in the hotel room mirroring his thumb and doing this as well. And you didn't say anything, but he was specific. You had the camera dead on his hand. And I'm going, he's saying two, but it's really three. And I think in his mind he's thinking those are toes and this is something else like an appendage. I mean it's almost like a little slight if you look at I think like a chicken. Doesn't a chicken have
• 47:30 - 48:00 that? Like it has a little appendage that comes out on the side. So the mother Yes. describes three, but I'm going to play the scene right now because you have the mom draw it and she drew this [ __ ] thing so quickly and matter of factly. I mean it's like holy [ __ ] You know did you do like 10 takes with her for that? No. No. No. I know. And you know what I had to ask. Nothing nothing in this film was staged. This all happened as it happened. In fact, I remember the DP Dave saying, "Slow down. I can't keep up." I was like, "Look, the things are happening. I'm not going to recreate, you know, you got to just
• 48:00 - 48:30 capture it as it happens." All right. So, this is the part where you do this. Let's Let's play it at 4512 in the documentary. They do they do they She's saying, "Please go with me." Then I got in the truck and we parked the truck here. I'll translate. And now the mom's talking. Then we we saw the creature and we saw the creature's footprint. I'll never forget it by this son. I'll never forget it. Only three fingertips. Huge. And the last one's big. Is she describing the appendage similarly or was that a slip of a shitty
• 48:30 - 49:00 artist where she draws it big and now she's talking about the smell. So, I'll cut it there. We already talked about that. But is she That's what I wanted to know cuz she drew it naturally and it's like I'm a shitty artist, too. I'd have done the same thing where you can't draw everything in perfect like uh symmetry. Mhm. Or was that literally like she was drawing it similarly to what he said where one's smaller. So think of it this way. It's bipeedal. We know that. Right. Right. How hard would it be to walk on this as opposed to
• 49:00 - 49:30 this? You have a side appendage coming out like this. Exactly. That's what what's his name? So that's what we've all speculated. We don't have a photograph of the foot, so we can't say for sure, but according to the eyewitness testimony, that makes the most sense. And that's what what's his name? It's almost like two. He said almost like two appendages, but he's doing this. Yeah, he's doing that. Yeah, do that. So, we we'll get to him to give all the context, but okay, that does for me that clears that up because it was really compelling like how just boom
• 49:30 - 50:00 boom boom boom boom she was with that and you were standing right there for this right time. Now, how much and I'll ask you this to the side, Allessie, cuz we got the director over here. Let's remove the bias. How much of when you saw the final cuts of this? Obviously you guys are are filming I mean maybe even close to 100 hours whatever it was over this month here easily. When you saw the final cut of this was this how you saw it happen live was it very representative of that? Yeah. Identical.
• 50:00 - 50:30 It It's one of those things it was one of those things where when you were in person I always say this is just like yes the documentary does such a good job but when you're in person it's just riveting. you're just like, "Oh my god, like they're actually drawn to this." And I'm like, "What the heck?" And these people dayto-day are just normal people. And it's like, if they're all actors or all paid Oscar winners, whatever, they are phenomenally doing a great job in day-to-day life doing this because And they're not tracking us down, we're tracking them down and begging them to come forward. Yeah. It's wild. Yeah.
• 50:30 - 51:00 Yeah. So that was So she says that and then she goes through what we talked about with that with the smell and she couldn't get it out. And I guess it sounds like she pretty much concluded right away, yo, you didn't see the devil. You saw some, you know, this is some Well, that's the thing is is that so the the I think that's why Carlos Daza felt compelled to come forward and share his aspect of the of the incident because he was like, "Holy [ __ ] maybe those girls what they saw was connected
• 51:00 - 51:30 to what I saw. Maybe the reason why those men in suits came up and they were so adamantly scaring me not to ever talk about this and I was at gunpoint. Maybe that was otherworldly what I saw and that's why the excessive secrecy and that's why the life threats and that's why the men in the black suits and that's what the girls saw. The creatures got to be connected. He felt compelled to give his testimony one time and that's when he met with Clovo. Yeah. and did that one, you know.
• 51:30 - 52:00 So, I was like I told Marco, I was like, I know this guy's been gone for a quarter of a century, but his testimony is mandatory. Like, we've got to find We don't have a film. We don't find this guy. And so, we have we we do have the two farmers, Eureo and Oralina, the Fretas, the White House. Were they living in the White House there? No, but they were they were they got woken up by their cows at night. cows and I think horses stampeding around like two in the
• 52:00 - 52:30 morning and they saw a cigar- shaped thing with a gas. Right. Right. So, but but Carlos saw this thing hit the ground and came to the crash site. Now, can you I for I forgot to go ahead. Sorry. One thing. I don't know why I didn't overrule what the how I got talked out of this. Uh we went in 2013 and found the farm hand at the Myolini farm and he talked about the neighbors hearing the boom, the impact of the boom and he talked about the
• 52:30 - 53:00 owner of the farm confirming to him that the the neighbors all heard this thing crash. It made a boom when it hit. Wow. Yeah. And uh we have him on camera. He didn't want to be filmed, but I had the cameras rolling and I have it. And I think maybe that's why they talked me out of using it. But I have the farm hand at Myini Farm in 2013 describing that the owner of the farm had heard from the neighbors that they all heard it a big boom on on in January uh 1996.
• 53:00 - 53:30 Now, can you I should release that. I should put that out there. You should I think you should put all this out there. I would watch the [ __ ] out of it. I know a lot of people it'll make you a lot of money and get you a [ __ ] extra house. Anyway, but did you when he's pointing to this and going key? I'm not a I'm the farthest thing from a scientist, so I don't even know how some of the sediment would work here, but I do hear all the time about people who are digging up and testing stuff thousands of years ago and [ __ ] because stuff stays in the soil. I got
• 53:30 - 54:00 to think something did unless there was a full-blown thing to where the government went in and repl like uprooted the whole earth. Like is there any way to test that ground right there for certain material? So I got contacted by a number of geologists since this film's come out. Um I was wondering if you can scroll to the crash site. There's an overhead shot. This is rarely ever talked about. Nobody's crash. I've had one person out of all the people that have seen the movie bring this up to me. Everybody else misses it. I
• 54:00 - 54:30 picked it up, not in the field so much that day, maybe a little bit, but when I saw the overhead drone shot of the alleged impact crash site, the landscaped and earth looked different than everything immediately around it. And so I was like, let's see if you can see it. It's the It's the drone shot. Was it during when he was crying? After the crying. It was after the crying. Okay. So the crying ends right there. So it just You'll see. Oh, there we go. There we go. Can you blow that up? Yeah.
• 54:30 - 55:00 Yeah. Because I want you, your audience, take a look at the landscape and I want you to see. Let me go back 10 seconds. There's the illustration of the craft. So, that's the illustration of what it looked like upon crash. Yeah. Cigar- shaped. That's a hell of an illustration. There's that white house and it was hidden by that bank of trees. That's why he didn't see that white house, right? All right. Now, tell me when I'll tell you when. All right. Go ahead. Pause right there. And then and then let it let it take
• 55:00 - 55:30 take your cursor off the screen so it goes back to take Yeah, I was going to say. Yeah, they'll see it clearly. Here we go. So look at all this. And look at Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, he talked about an acid on the ground. Like a liquid acid that burned everything. I was like, was it a fire? Was it Why would they leave it there? That's what I'm wondering. No, but nothing's growing there. The soil looks tampered with. It looks different, you know? It just looks different. Look. And I picked that up from the drone. I never
• 55:30 - 56:00 saw it from the ground. I wouldn't have noticed. But if you look at it from the sky and that's the crash site according to Carlos and according to Military X. God damn it. Now they're going to go dig it up. They're listening to the podcast. They're like, "Send them in it." Yeah. So it looks different. I mean, look, man. They say a picture's worth a thousand words. I mean, take a look at that and tell me what you see cuz it looks different. Doesn't it look different all day? It does look different. And there could be other explanations, but like you know, as a layman looking at this first glance, holy [ __ ] I mean, yeah, that's that's
• 56:00 - 56:30 wild. Yeah, it's wild. All right. I mean, that's certainly You've had geologist hit you up, though. Well, yes. So, I Yes. So So, I went out to Roswell. Uh I went out to the debris field in Roswell with a geologist. I'll think of his name in a minute. And he said to me, "I'm a geologist. I don't care how well anyone cleans up a mess at a site, an impact, an alleged impact site. I don't
• 56:30 - 57:00 give a [ __ ] how good you think you are. You could be on your hands and knees back to back, shoulder toshoulder, go through there, bulldoze it, burn it. There's going to be debris left there. Period. Look at ant uh ant um ant um mounds, moles, you know, areas of runoff from the rain. like things get carried, little bits of metal. Like I did not scour. I was under a shooting schedule. I really think someone Yeah, I I've heard people say they want to go to
• 57:00 - 57:30 the crash site with metal detectors with, you know, geologists and and see what they can find. So, uh, you know, if someone's willing to put in the time and go there, I think it absolutely should be done. Absolutely. You might need, you know, permission to go on the guy's farm. I don't know. It's, you know, to be out there for months on a at a time. I don't know. Well, as a I'm sure we could figure that out. Someone could pay somebody off. But yeah, exactly. As as a side note here,
• 57:30 - 58:00 because we had talked about it in the last podcast, but not gone there. What was the thing in the phenomenon that you had the Stanford doctor, he was with Jacqu Valet and he was testing the isotopes that I brought up. What was that from again? Uh Uba Tuba 1957 uh South America out of Brazil. And what? So it was a UFO crash site. It was an alleged UFO crash material or a landing site where they crash. It was a
• 58:00 - 58:30 crash. Yeah, it was like an explosion and crash. Yeah. Thank you guys for checking out this clip. If you haven't already subscribed, please subscribe and hit the like button on this video. It is a huge, huge help. And if you'd like to check out this clip's full podcast episode, that link is in the description below or right here. And finally, you can follow me on Instagram and X by using the links in my description below.