Autism Only vs. ADHD Only vs. auDHD | The Neurocuriosity Club

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Summary

Megan, the creator of The Neurocuriosity Club, navigates a lively and informative discussion exploring the nuances of autism, ADHD, and the combined condition, auDHD. She shares personal experiences and insights, inviting audience interaction through questions and sharing her journey as an autistic and ADHD life coach and mother. Themes of misdiagnosis, societal implications, and the evolving understanding of neurodivergent conditions are discussed. Megan highlights the importance of community, shared experiences, and personal acceptance while also announcing exciting community events like an auDHD magazine and a virtual slumber party.

Highlights

Megan, an autistic and ADHD life coach, shares her personal and professional experiences. 🙌
She emphasizes the online community's role in supporting neurodivergent individuals. 🖥️
Discussion includes the evolution of diagnostic criteria and misdiagnosis issues. ❤️‍🩹
Statistics reveal significant overlap between autism and ADHD diagnoses post-2013. 🔍
Special events for the community, like an auDHD magazine launch and slumber party, are highlighted. 🎉

Key Takeaways

Megan combines humor and personal anecdotes to explain complex neurodivergent topics, making them engaging and relatable. 🤗
Misdiagnosis and evolving societal understanding of autism and ADHD highlight the importance of continued learning and support. 📚
Statistics underscore the common overlap between autism and ADHD, challenging previous diagnostic norms. 📊
Megan emphasizes the potential benefits and challenges of recognizing both autism and ADHD traits within oneself. 🔄
Engagement with the neurodivergent community is crucial for learning and social support. 🌐

Overview

Megan from The Neurocuriosity Club dives into a fascinating exploration of autism, ADHD, and auDHD, sharing her journey as a life coach for individuals who are navigating these conditions. Engaging and with a dose of humor, she provides insights into her dual diagnosis experience, challenges of societal perception, and the importance of understanding and community for neurodivergent individuals.

With an open approach, Megan discusses the overlaps and distinctions between autism and ADHD, backed by evolving statistics and personal observations. She addresses misdiagnosis, the history of diagnostic criteria, and how societal attitudes have shaped understanding of these conditions. Her anecdotes about personal experiences and interactions with family offer a relatable context.

Megan also shares exciting community engagements designed for support and connection among neurodivergent individuals, including an auDHD-themed magazine and a virtual slumber party. These events are intended to foster inclusivity and provide a platform for shared stories, emphasizing the importance of having a supportive environment that values diverse neurodivergent experiences.

Chapters

00:00 - 03:00: Introduction and Background The chapter titled 'Introduction and Background' introduces Megan, who is live-streaming a session. Megan identifies as autistic and ADHD, and she is a life coach specializing in helping autistic ADHD, audhd, or neuro-curious individuals. The introduction serves as a personal and professional background for the audience.
03:00 - 09:00: Differences Between Autism, ADHD, and auDHD The chapter "Differences Between Autism, ADHD, and auDHD" discusses the challenges and traits associated with autism, ADHD, and other neurodiverse conditions. Although the speaker is not a therapist or doctor and cannot provide diagnoses, they focus on supporting individuals with common issues like executive dysfunction, emotional dysregulation, and internalized shame. The speaker highlights their role as a coach in aiding those who identify with these neurodiversities.
09:00 - 13:00: Statistics and Diagnosis Challenges The chapter titled 'Statistics and Diagnosis Challenges' seems to deviate into a personal introduction of the speaker. The speaker shares their age, family details, and marital status. They are 30 years old, have three children including twins, and have been married for seven years. The speaker reflects on their personal life rather than focusing on the primary topic of the chapter.
13:00 - 18:00: Common Traits and Misunderstandings The chapter focuses on the differences between being autistic, ADHD, or both, and addresses common traits and misunderstandings associated with each condition. The narrator identifies as 'allhd', meaning they have both autism and ADHD. The discussion is prompted by a poll indicating a strong interest in this topic.
18:00 - 31:00: Audience Questions and Experiences The chapter discusses the complexities of personal identity related to being Autistic or having ADHD. It highlights that while one might identify as having one of these conditions, experiences can be murky, as exemplified by ADHD creator 'catosaurus' who recently discovered they're also Autistic. This indicates that personal understanding of one's identity and experiences can evolve over time.
31:00 - 43:00: Surprise Announcement - auDHD Magazine and Slumber Party In this chapter titled "Surprise Announcement - auDHD Magazine and Slumber Party," the speaker discusses the complexities of distinguishing between different diagnostic criteria when multiple conditions are present. They offer to talk about any topic of interest to the audience and encourage listeners to submit their questions in the chat to guide the discussion. The chapter emphasizes audience interaction to ensure the content is relevant to their curiosities.
43:00 - 72:00: Final Audience Questions and Closing The chapter 'Final Audience Questions and Closing' covers the speaker's preference for handling questions and comments. The speaker shares their personal challenge of coming up with spontaneous content due to traits associated with ADHD and Autism (AuDHD). However, with prompts like questions or comments, they find a surge of ideas, indicative of ADHD traits. The speaker encourages the audience to leave questions and comments in the chat for better interaction.

Autism Only vs. ADHD Only vs. auDHD | The Neurocuriosity Club Transcription

00:00 - 00:30 okay hi everybody let me just double check that I'm live should be but you know always good to check I think yep okay says I'm live all good hi hello everybody uh if you don't know me that well my name is Megan I am autistic and ADHD I'm also a life coach for autistic ADHD audhd or neuroc curious folks who know that something is
00:30 - 01:00 going on in their brain but they aren't super confident on what that is um because I am not a therapist or a doctor I can't diagnose anything but what I can do is help you with some of the traits that go along with being autistic ADHD or you know neurod diverent in some other ways um for example I really love helping people with executive dysfunction emotional disregulation and internalized shame those are areas that I think I really shine as a coach um but I also help people with you know
01:00 - 01:30 relationships time management productivity things like that so that's a little bit about me I'm 30 I have three kiddos including a set of twins they are 10 months old it's crazy um they're getting so big um I'm married to my best friend in the whole world my husband we've been married for seven years now we actually just had our anniversary pretty recently um so that's been lovely and wonderful so I don't know that's a little bit about me tell me about you in the the comments I'm
01:30 - 02:00 super happy to hear about you and who you are um today I posted a poll to see what you guys wanted to chat about um and overwhelmingly people wanted to talk about the differences between solely being autistic solely being ADHD or being both and like how the three differ and full disclaimer disclosure I guess I am allhd I'm autistic and ADHD so that's
02:00 - 02:30 the lived experience that I can speak to the most clearly is what it's like to be both when it comes to what it's like to solely be Autistic or to solely be ADHD I am going off of people that I know but even that can be a little murky because for example one of the biggest ADHD creators on the internet catosaurus actually recently talked online about finding out that she's also or they are also autistic um like you know so even people who think or thought that they might solely be one or the other sometimes find out
02:30 - 03:00 later that they're both and so it can be tricky it can be tricky to sift out what is what but I can talk about some of the diagnostic criteria for each one and how they might look different when you have both I can talk about um really anything you guys are curious about so why don't we take a minute for everybody to drop a question in the chat so if you're watching right now and you're wanting to know something let me know what you want to know so that I know what to focus on that would make my life a million times
03:00 - 03:30 easier it makes going Al a lot easier when I've got comments and questions and things to address I'm much better at responding than I am with like coming up with stuff on the Fly um I think that's an ADHD thing or an Autism thing or an audhd thing frankly the not being able to come up with stuff on the Fly is kind of autistic but then when someone gives me a prompt it just like Sparks all these things that feels very ADHD so if you could leave your questions comments anything you want to know in the chat
03:30 - 04:00 that would make my life so much easier oh hey mcraft got diagnosed with ADHD at 45 in May I have also have three high energy precocious boys loving your content oh that's amazing hello I'm so glad that you got a diagnosis that makes sense for you I'm so glad that uh you have three wonderful kiddos just like me I have two girls and a boy um obviously for now who knows gender is often very fluid especially if you have toddlers uh anybody else have a toddler who like I I
04:00 - 04:30 have a theory that all toddlers are gender fluid because it just kind of depends on the day although as my kiddo gets older he's not really a toddler anymore he's getting older and he seems more cemented into how he feels at least for now but anyway uh question what is the difference oh it looks like that got submitted a little early it's okay I'll let you finish typing um so autism ADHD audhd let's talk about it so autism and ADHD are both neurodevelopmental disabilities
04:30 - 05:00 which basically means that it affects the way your brain develops and often results in disability which is you know when you struggle to do things a certain way or struggle to do things at all potentially um and autism and ADHD are really different but can go hand inand very often um actually until 2013 you were not allowed to be diagnosed with both um Physicians were required to choose which one best fit you um because it was believed that you couldn't have both
05:00 - 05:30 because they can appear so opposite right um so that was up until 2013 that's very recent right so there's a lot of adults who may have been diagnosed as one or the other who actually are both but didn't know because when they were diagnosed as kids like you it wasn't allowed that you would be diagnosed with both so that's the whole thing um they're both neurodevelopmental disabilities they can affect how your brain develops the speed it develops the like way it develops and all of this other stuff
05:30 - 06:00 um I had a thought and I was going to share it and I lost it shoot this is ADHD this happens um oh well we'll come back to it if it comes back around but so up until 2013 you couldn't be diagnosed with both um but now you can it's oh that's what I was going to share the statistics so oh shoot I lost my nose ring where did it go I'm sorry hold on pause everybody pause
06:00 - 06:30 oh my nose ring fell did it fall in my shirt nose ring it's like my favorite it's fake that's why it can like fall right out of my nose because it's not an actual piercing um oh it did fall in my shirt okay found it found it sorry guys that's embarrassing H I just want to scratch my nose cuz my nose gets itchy when I go live don't ask me why it's like a weird psychosomatic thing um and I knocked my
06:30 - 07:00 nose ring right out anyway okay hi now it feels funny okay okay so what I was going to share is the statistics on uh what we know about being both autistic and ADHD now so 2013 was the first year you were allowed to be diagnosed with both so it's been about 11 years and studies are showing that approximately 60% of adhders are also autistic and Approximately 80% of autistic folks are also ADHD that is
07:00 - 07:30 huge huge you guys like holy crap that's almost all of autistic folks are also ADHD that's bananas there's only like 20% of us who aren't ADHD like really so again those numbers may be a little off it's only been about 10 or 11 years so take it with a grain of salt but um just so you know it's very common for them to go hand inand is basically what I'm saying and the reason those numbers are off sometimes people are like but those numbers shouldn't be different it's because there are more people diagnosed
07:30 - 08:00 with ADHD Than People diagnosed with autism which means there are some does that make sense like why those would be different so anyway uh so mcraft your question got cut off all I see here is what is the difference between and then it gets cut off so let me know what the rest of that question was because I don't have the rest of it uh potato dark Great Name by the way I have a lot of confusion I got the Dual diagnosis and can never tell what is causing what I watch so much content both ADHD and autism and things I thought belong to one see to be experienced by the other yes so there's
08:00 - 08:30 a lot of confusion in the community about which uh traits go with which condition and part of that comes from some like content creators thinking that they only have one when they really have both and so they're like oh this is like a weird ADHD trait but it's really an autistic trait and vice versa um so some of that confusion comes from that but it can also come from the fact that um I really like
08:30 - 09:00 I lost my train of thought hold on so somebody on Tik Tok that I used to follow um made this really great like concept as far as I know they're the first one to really explain this and that's the idea of like core traits versus associated traits so a lot of core traits of ADHD like executive dysfunction um can be an Associated trait of autism but the the core so if
09:00 - 09:30 we're going to Define it this way the core traits of autism would be like social um differences sensory differences and um like routine and rigidity differences right those are some of the core aspects of autism but then we have like Associated aspects of autism which can include emotional disregulation executive dysfunction uh dissociation trauma stuff like that ADHD if we're looking at the core things is executive
09:30 - 10:00 dysfunction attention differences um and like hyperactivity differences in folks with combined or hyperactive type of ADHD there's also an inattentive type who that would not necessarily have that same hyperactivity in the same way um so those are the core things whereas the associated things might be emotional disregulation uh social difficulties that come from not paying attention in the way that other people do um sensory differences that again can come from
10:00 - 10:30 intentional differences and stuff like that but those are associated does that make sense so like they all kind of flow together oops sorry um just hopped on this last year figured out I was audhd what's been weird is it wasn't until I took my ADHD then it revealed my autism it's like it's layered yes so a lot of people do notice this that their ADHD can mask their autism can hide it in a lot of ways I think mine did that for a long time I was kind of they both hit
10:30 - 11:00 each other they would like take turns sometimes I was the class clown I was hilarious I was like totally using humor and performance to cover up my social difficulties but then other times my social difficulties would cover up my impulsivity like I would be so afraid of Behaving incorrectly that I wouldn't be as impulsive as my body wanted me to be you know so they would like cover each other and a lot of people do notice that when they start ADHD medication that their autism becomes much more parent as their ADHD becomes less and less of like
11:00 - 11:30 a disruptor in their lives um let's see okay the rest of my question was what is the difference between the three yeah I'm also curious if you have ever heard of the hunter brain type theory that Tom Hartman proposed I want to read that book but I haven't yet so I can't speak to that but yeah the main difference between Autism ADHD and audhd autism again I think it comes back to like the core versus associated features um
11:30 - 12:00 but I think the main thing is that autism tends to be more of a it's it's not how do I describe this so something I want to say about all three real quick before we talk about the differences is that they are not behavioral disorders a lot of people treat ADHD especially like a behavioral disorder and it's not it's a neurodevelopmental disability which means it affects the way your brain develops which means it affects the way you experience input as well as the what the behavior you output this is
12:00 - 12:30 something that's going to be in my book that's coming out uh in 2025 most likely potentially 2026 hopefully 2025 I'm working with a publisher and everything it's going to be very exciting I'm trying to finish the book um but a huge thing that I address is that ADHD and autism both affect input just as much as they affect behavioral output they are not behavioral disorders or conditions they are neurodevelopmental not that there's anything wrong with behavioral conditions but they are different right so yeah let's see yeah it's like I have
12:30 - 13:00 to predict what my sensory triggers will be each hour yeah yeah that can be a huge thing you have to try to predict everything and it's really hard to do when you just you don't know which one's going to have the reins the ADHD or the autism and that can be really tricky so the difference between Autism and ADHD is pretty Stark but the difference between Autism and audhd or ADHD and audhd are a little less uh clear so autism tends to be associated with very rigid thinking um and rigidity in routines and patterns
13:00 - 13:30 um repetitive behaviors and repetitive thoughts sometimes um can lead to a lot of rumination which is why some autistic folks are misdiagnosed with OCD although some autistic folks also have OCD and that's totally valid as well um so autism because we also tend to miss social cues and we don't know that we're missing social cues a lot of the time sometimes we do but a lot of times we don't like for instance I vividly
13:30 - 14:00 remember my husband and I had been married for a little while but it was during the pandemic and I didn't usually take phone calls in front of my husband but then we were stuck at home and I if I wanted to talk on the phone I had to talk on the phone in front of him so I did and I got off the phone and he was like so if your family doesn't believe that you're autistic do they just think you're an [ __ ] and I was like what do you mean by that like what does that mean and he's like I understand why you are the way you are on the phone but
14:00 - 14:30 like it can come off pretty rude and I was like what are you talking about that was a totally normal conversation he's like Megan did you not notice like the long awkward silences on that phone call and I'm like yeah but that's just part of talking on the phone no one knows when to talk on the phone and he's like yeah they do most people know when to talk on the phone and I'm like well then why aren't they talking and he's like well because autis autism is genetic probably and I'm like fair enough but not besides that like I am bad at asking
14:30 - 15:00 questions I'm really bad at asking questions especially on the phone it's something I have to make a very concentrated effort to do and It's Tricky so anyway anyway there are social cues we miss and we don't realize we're missing them um what else autism also comes with a very specific sensory profile um some people are hyper sensitive some are hyposensitive some are a mix most of us are a mix um and it can differ based on context but um yeah that's kind of
15:00 - 15:30 autism in a very brief nutshell then you have ADHD which is primarily defined by executive dysfunction there are eight types of executive functioning let me see if I can remember them um they are impulsive impulse impulse control emotional regulation flexible thinking self monitoring organization prioritization
15:30 - 16:00 task initiation and there's an eighth one there's an eighth one but I can't remember it but those are some of the executive functions adhders tend to struggle with all of these all of these okay we don't even though it's called attention deficit hyperactivity disorder we don't just have a deficit of
16:00 - 16:30 attention sometimes we have an overabundance of attention what we really have issues with is regulating our attention so sometimes we have a deficit sometimes we have too much um and we just have a hard time regulating how we pay attention to things and whether we pay attention to things and so it's kind of like not having a filter for any of the input coming in so or sometimes we have a brick wall and none of it gets in so it it can be a whole mix audhd
16:30 - 17:00 is complicated and it's going to look different for everybody every because autism can look different for everybody ADHD looks different for everybody and then when you combine them it gets even more specific and can look super different but a lot of things people notice and report is that people call you a space cadet and like you tend to miss a lot of really obvious important things but you also pick up on a lot of stuff that other people miss so like that's a big thing that a lot of Audi deers report um a lot of Audi deers report very inconsistent energy and very
17:00 - 17:30 inconsistent sleep um a lot of us talk about executive dysfunction because it can be a part of both conditions uh an emotional disregulation can be part of both conditions so that's a big part of it um and sensory stuff and social stuff can be huge parts of both for sure and they can play off of each other in weird ways so let me go back to the questions hi all I'm in NL I'm not sure what NL is is that a country a state a
17:30 - 18:00 place I don't know where that is let me know where you are I found the neural curiosity Club very helpful ah I'm so glad snicky that's awesome I like what you said about content creators when they might not know they are both exactly and a lot of people don't and that's fine it's not like they're being malicious and spreading misinformation or whatever they're just sharing their experience and as far as they know they're only autistic so they attribute these things to autism which makes sense of course but but sometimes that's
18:00 - 18:30 there's more going on yeah uh my GF who I live with and who is ADHD we've gotten to where we just announc to each other the mood we're in like she'll tell me she needs aone time or if the audio is triggering her I put earbuds in and let her control the audio yeah without taking any of it personal ah Netherlands thank you snicky hi sorry about that I was like NL not New Zealand not North Dakota so sorry anyway glad you're here um but no uh Ying Ying bar
18:30 - 19:00 that's great like not taking uh sensory needs and stuff like that personal and just realizing it's just a basic need like hey I'm hungry is great like someone being hungry doesn't mean anything about you just like I need the volume lower is not about you it's not personal so I think that's brilliant um hi what is the link between Autism and depression blossom photography let's talk about it okay so there may may be a genetic or um
19:00 - 19:30 chemical connection between the two I'm not here to speak on that because I'm not a neuroscientist I'm not a researcher so I can't go there and I haven't done a lot of research on the chemical part of potential connections what I can talk about is that often times uh autism can lead to depression in some ways um so being autistic can cause depression not because autism causes depression but because our society's way of not accepting autistic people can
19:30 - 20:00 lead to depression that's really usually the issue although sometimes autistic traits by themselves even in a perfect welcoming loving Society could still make us a little depressed for example meltdowns meltdowns are really really hard to manage and can feel really crappy and um could make us feel depressed potentially um so I have major depressive disorder I personally don't think that my major depression is only tied to my autism
20:00 - 20:30 like I don't think it's just a reaction of like not being accepted I think that's more of a trauma thing um I think I also just have major depression like I think even if I wasn't autistic I would have major depression just major depressive disorder um but not everybody's like that some people it's the fact that their autism has been ignored and dismissed and invalidated and they've been made to feel like they're less than their whole lives that leads to depression for sure um and if that's you that's totally valid too and
20:30 - 21:00 okay your depression is just as real as mine and mine is just as real as yours um we just have different causes mine tends to be pretty chemical it just kind of seems to be the way excuse me my brain works um so yeah that's kind of the connection I want to talk about there I forget the actor's name but there's a British actor with bipolar who's used the example of when it's triggered it's like it's raining out it's just raining whether you say so or not this help me explain my depression and other issues with my parents yes it's it's raining you can
21:00 - 21:30 argue with the rain if you like but it is raining and people can say well there's no reason for it to be raining it's like yeah rain doesn't need a reason it just rains sometimes and that's a really great way of putting it I really like that actually that's very helpful PS just woke up for the rough grammar you're fine your grammar's fine no big deal not a big deal at all um so yeah autism and ADHD can combine in some really interesting ways I think
21:30 - 22:00 sometimes it makes our social issues better but sometimes it makes it worse um so like I said for me my ADHD often covers up my social issues so like I am really good at performing I'm really good at being Class Clown I'm good at doing lives like this I'm good at this stuff because ADHD my brain is constantly you could talk about this you could talk about this you should talk about that let's make this connection it'll be a funny joke like my brain's always doing that and so that's helpful and it hides the fact that I don't actually know what's going on a lot of the time time um yeah like I don't know
22:00 - 22:30 what's happening and I think a lot I actually have something coming out next week um put let's see put surprise in the chat just the word surprise in the chat if you want to know something about next week that I haven't told anybody on the internet yet but you guys get to know because you're here live and I think you're cool let me know if you want to know anyway I have something coming out soon that's going to be pretty exciting uh where I talk a little bit about autistic theater kids and how a lot of
22:30 - 23:00 media likes to portray autistic folks as science and math nerds which is fine by the way totally valid and a lot of us are but I think a lot of artistic folks are also theater nerds because theater is great it's literally scripted everything you say is scripted there's a choreographer who tells you exactly like what the [ __ ] to do with your hands for once in your life and like I just think a lot of us that theater kids because performance a lot of artistic people feel like they're performing anyway you might as well like get Applause for it you know
23:00 - 23:30 what I mean so anyway anyway um where was I even going with that oh how they mask each other so sometimes the ADHD masks the autism sometimes the autism masks the ADHD um being audhd is tricky and it often looks on the outside like you have neither when really you have both um or that was my experience or sometimes I know of some people who their autism and ADHD combined to make them like life was just
23:30 - 24:00 really difficult and tricky and they couldn't hide either one and instead people thought they were being like difficult on purpose and that led to them being labeled as like a problem child or disruptive or whatever and that is really shitty too it's just shitty in a different way um oh my goodness everybody's saying surprise okay cool I was in an improv troop oh ybar that's great did play acting and directing that's great I have ADHD
24:00 - 24:30 autism and OCD and have been a Scenic artist on Broadway for 27 years yeah oh Firefly that is cool as [ __ ] I love that okay so youall want to know what the surprises so I may or may not have teamed up with some really cool autistic adhders so people who are both to create a magazine a it's going to be like 30 or 40 pages at this point like I'm not done
24:30 - 25:00 editing it yet but it's going to be a big it's going to be a beefy boy um but it's going to be a magazine with articles and artwork and poetry from real adhders conveying their experience as an audhd person that whole little rant I went on about theater kids that might be in there that may or may not be part of my article which by the way I'll just tell you the title um so my article is called go touch grass why autistic people tend to feel so at home online and why
25:00 - 25:30 everyone seems to have a problem with that so talks a little bit about like you know autistic folks getting hate Online for being online and stuff like that being ourselves so um that's kind of my article but there's articles on being autistic and traveling there's a really wonderful poem called inconvenient existence that is just going to blow your mind um and there's articles about mind mapping monitor tropism it's and there's
25:30 - 26:00 submissions from some of your favorite creators from Nate's dreamy life from Jess diverges from Georgia holiday like and if you don't know these people you need to go follow them let me let me drop their things so shoot I don't know George's okay I can't drop it but don't worry their Instagrams will be in the magazine so that you can follow them it's a digital magazine by the way it won't be physical because I don't have the money and stuff to produce like a physical aine and ship it around the world and stuff so it'll
26:00 - 26:30 be digital but something I'm really proud of is all of the Articles and poems will be read out loud and you'll be able to click a button and just listen to the article so you can listen and read at the same time or if you only want to listen that's totally fine um and I'm very proud of that I think it's a wonderful accessibility feature that we're offering um all of the uh artwork will have a written description as well as like a audio so that you can listen again for our like visually impaired folks so that they can appre appreciate the artwork to you know in their own way
26:30 - 27:00 um let's see let's see okay there's a couple of other questions okay hold on let me let me go back snicky says neurotypical Society does seem to trigger a lot of trauma in neurod Divergence which I feel causes a lot of depression also resonate with chemical also affecting my depression yeah is there a good way to deal with
27:00 - 27:30 impostor syndrome um yeah I say just start accommodating yourself and say like well if I was autistic what would I do if I did have ADHD what would I do and then just do that and that way you're not telling yourself like I have to be autistic in order to earn this accommodation you can just be like well if I was what would I do how would I act like what would help me and I think that helps me a lot because it puts less pressure on it it's like that's why I like the word neuroc curious It's like maybe I'm autistic maybe I'm not but I
27:30 - 28:00 know that noise cancelling your headphones really help me and so I'm going to use them so I think that's really helpful um does a person know they're having a meltdown not always um I did not realize my meltdowns were meltdowns for a long time I was actually diagnosed with bipolar disorder for about six or seven years and I thought my meltdowns were mixed episodes which is basically where you have the energy of mania but the thoughts and feelings of depression which is actually very dangerous um so I
28:00 - 28:30 thought they were just really short mixed episodes like they would last like a day and I'm like why why or they would last a couple hours and then I thought maybe I had borderline because my emotions were so fast and but then finally I realized I was autistic and I'm like oh they're meltdowns I'm having meltdowns got it um so yeah sometimes you know but sometimes you just know I feel like death and I don't know why so you know that's kind of how that
28:30 - 29:00 goes I was recently diagnosed with autism I hope that it's helpful for you Blossom I hope maybe this channel can be a source of information for you and validation and just know that autism I think in our society is often portrayed as like this big bad scary thing and don't get me wrong it can be very debilitating sometimes and it it is a disability and there are aspects that are might make your life harder but at the same time you've always been autistic it's not like this diagnosis is changing who you you are right this diagnosis is just giving you the
29:00 - 29:30 language to describe your experiences and I really hope that helps and I would love to help so yeah okay um I want in yes when will the article be out okay um the magazine is released on Monday it's going to cost $7 that's it for like I said like 30 or 40 pages of content um and and and and and should
29:30 - 30:00 I tell you the other thing I'm going to tell you the other thing it's fine um it comes with a bonus which is the audhd slumber party we are going to do a slumber party on Thursday the 13th 14th 15th I think the 15th of August um that Thursday after next Thursday so almost one week from today we're going to do a slumber party it's going to be at like 9:00 p.m. Eastern we're all going to hop on zoom and we're going to hang out and and we're going to talk about what it's like to be autistic and ADHD I will help
30:00 - 30:30 facilitate conversations you don't have to worry about the awkwardness it's just going to be a hangout now if you just want to go to the slumber party you're like I'm not that interested in the magazine that's not for me but I definitely want the community aspect the slumber party ticket is $7 as well so if you want to go to the slumber party and you want the magazine the slumber party ticket comes with the magazine so you either pay $7 for both or you can pay $7 to just come to the summer party if you just don't want the magazine which is totally fine um I will have all of those
30:30 - 31:00 links set up for you to buy very very soon it's not set up yet my virtual assistant and I are working on it um I'm a little behind if you can't tell it's all good I'll get it all done I always do um but I'm very very excited I can't wait to do the slumber party I can't wait to hang out with you I can't wait for you to read the amazing articles and poetry and see the cool artwork that people put together it's truly truly gorgeous and I'm working my hardest to make the magazine very aesthetically pleasing to read but also easy to read and I'm
31:00 - 31:30 just very excited I'm very excited so um that sounds pretty awesome that's genius yeah I wonder about the connection between gaming and neurod Divergence specifically Minecraft I haven't noticed between Minecraft I think most kiddos really love Minecraft I think it appeals to like their kids are often in like a Lial space between creative play and like structured play and Minecraft really
31:30 - 32:00 combines those two it gives them rules and a world but it's also an open world they can do just about anything but also the way they can do anything is very structured and I think that really appeals to a lot of little kids so and older kids as well but um yeah I got diagnosed with ASD a year ago and add 30 years before but untreated since totally resonate with the description of meltdown now yeah yeah yeah one big thing I learned good at planning and leading groups but can't
32:00 - 32:30 complete them myself I realized I learned how to plan for neurotypical people and need to plan for n virgin person when I do it myself yes yes yes yes yes um I'm really I'm kind of the opposite I can't plan for neurotypical people I can't do it like I don't know I don't know how to describe stuff to someone whose brain doesn't work like mine and this is where my autistic um empathy differences come in a lot of people talk about autistic having low empathy autistic folks actually have a
32:30 - 33:00 very wide diversity of empathy some of us have very low empathy very high empathy in between um there's actually two types of empathy uh cognitive empathy which is your ability to put yourself in someone else's shoes and think the way they think and then effective or emotional empathy which is how feeling the way someone else feels and just like feeling their emotions flood over you right I have very high emotional empathy but very low cognitive empathy I have a hard time putting myself in someone else's shoes unless I try very hard to do so it doesn't come
33:00 - 33:30 naturally to me so um it makes it difficult for me to plan for people who are not audhd basically mom craft I kind of know this one part of it is the controlled satisfaction and safe environment there's more to it but that's the basics yeah slumber party may try can we not be on cam and text oh absolutely yes I am always a text based person the chat is always open in my zooms cameras can 100% be off on whatever works you can come off mute you can communicate in the chat whatever
33:30 - 34:00 works for you I that is what I want you to do um a lot of autistic folks have social anxiety as well and um some adhders have social anxiety as well and that's really complicated because of our impulsivity issues and then we feel embarrassed and it's a whole thing and yeah so I'm always open to however people communicate best uh I'm diagnosed with ADHD and started taking medication but I still feel too much anxiety whenever I start doing a task so any any day-to-day task
34:00 - 34:30 also feel daunting to me oh Kumar okay yeah yeah so what I like to do when I take my medication before I take it I sit down and I write out a list of what needs done I make a plan because if I take my meds and I don't have a plan I'm going to end up focused on completely the wrong thing and then I'm going to feel all this pressure to be doing something else but I'm not focused on that I'm focused on this and it's like so I like to I actually have a little notebook sorry this is the book I'm reading right now it's not you it's
34:30 - 35:00 capitalism by mikica jabali excellent book totally made for ADH deers look there's Graphics it's preh highlighted like look at this [ __ ] it's awesome so that's the book I'm reading right now but I keep a little notepad that I got from Target um on my desk let's see yeah there we go and every not every day but a lot of days I just write down the date and write down what needs done um
35:00 - 35:30 this is from yesterday I didn't finish what needed done so I'm just using yesterday's list um but that really helps me before I take my medication and if I can't focus enough to make the list I will take my meds and I will sit there with the list and wait I just like kind of wait for it to kick in as best I can um yeah uh for me it's Pokemon love Pokemon I play Pokémon go with my husband all the time I actually don't love Pokémon I don't want to lie my husband loves
35:30 - 36:00 Pokemon and it makes me super happy to engage in his interests with him and I like Pokemon I think Pokemon is fine but playing Pokemon go with him and like going on walks together and catching stuff and doing challenges and I find that very fun so um have super empathy just don't know that it is someone else's feelings that I'm feeling due to alexaa oh snicky yes yeah I can't tell you the number of times like I'm so anxious and somebody else is like me too and I'm like wait you're anxious I just feel what you feel
36:00 - 36:30 I've been there oh my goodness I'm a Minecrafter yeah I tried doing the notepad thing and after a couple weeks I forgot the notepad existed guess what it worked the notepad still worked this is like my biggest ADHD hack that I teach as many people as I can if something works for you for a couple of weeks and then it stops working it was not a failure it worked for a couple of weeks and that's huge instead of dismissing it
36:30 - 37:00 because it didn't work what till kingdom come till we're 90 like do we really expect that no sure neurotypical people can often get like a year out of their planning system instead of a couple of weeks but we're not neurotypical so have different standards for yourself if something lasts a couple weeks you thank it you celebrate it and then you move on to the next strategy and then you keep that in your back pocket as like okay maybe in three or four strategies I'll be able to come back to that strategy and it'll work again because it'll be new and novel again does that make sense
37:00 - 37:30 so yeah don't shame yourself for something not working forever that's goofy nothing works forever even for neurotypical folks so yeah um big advice for executive dysfunction if you find there's a certain song for example that triggers your hyperfocus with a lot of practice you can trick your hyperfocus to be on housework using that music this is something I've been working on myself the last year yes I think so hold on my nose ring is driving me bananas I might
37:30 - 38:00 just take it out it's oh so itchy I'm so sorry I know that like messing with your nose is not the most attractive thing in the world but uh it just gets so itchy when I go live and I don't know why um anyway something that I have noticed is that I need specific music for specific tasks um so like when I'm writing my book I have a playlist called chill folk I like folk music like folky kind of music like Noah con and um Zack bran and stuff like that so I will listen to that
38:00 - 38:30 when I'm writing my book um then when I'm cleaning house I need podcasts I can't do music it doesn't it doesn't work I need a podcast I need something very intellectually stimulating um when I'm just doing regular work on like my business answering emails and stuff I listen to Chapel row almost exclusively like femom and Pink Pony Club on repeat right so that's me but I put a calendar on the fridge that sort of seems to help but thankfully my husband
38:30 - 39:00 is always reminding me of the things I am forgetting yeah exactly and don't be afraid to use your people accommodations too that totally works like if having someone remind you of stuff helps it helps lots of people need reminders not just adhders I think sometimes we forget that when you have ADHD the goal is not to become superhuman the goal is just to function as best you can you don't have to be perfect you don't have to be neurotypical neurotypical doesn't even equal Perfect by the way you just have to be your favorite version of yourself
39:00 - 39:30 I actually talk about this in a YouTube video that should be coming out on Tuesday um but I don't believe in being the best version of yourself all the time because I don't think that's possible I believe in being your favorite version of yourself I think that's way better way more helpful let's see the same song on repeat for hours heck yeah femin omon feminin omon yeah feminin omon anyway um my GF and I Blair Blair Pink Pony Club a lot of mornings yes it's such a good
39:30 - 40:00 like Go song like yes um how's an 8 deer I've been using the habitica Habit app to help me remember to do daily tasks work on habits and as a to-do list it gamifies tasks and give me dopam mean hits I tried habitica it worked for a couple of weeks which was great and then it stopped working which is fine um so but yeah habitica highly recommend I've also heard great things about Finch specifically for self-care type tasks I might try Finch because I have been trying to do more self-care recently um I've been going on hot girl walks I've
40:00 - 40:30 been dyeing my hair doing my nails and all of that good stuff so um trying to read more uh again this is the book I'm reading right now highly recommend um really like it but I have lots of other books that need read I have a whole stack um so anyway oh and I have a stack over there too I have stacks everywhere H I'll be sharing videos about habitica in a few weeks Ah that's great mcraft everybody go subscribe to mcraft especially because
40:30 - 41:00 you play Minecraft I assume um I think that's very cool um go check out the habitica videos um let's see what else do we need to know what else do we need to talk about I miss the hair even if even as I was looking at it yeah no I know it's like it's one of those things I think Vivid hair colors like unnatural Vivid hair colors are my natural hair color um obviously doesn't naturally grow out of my head but I think I look most natural with vivids sometimes which is weird and crazy but anyway yeah this is my hair
41:00 - 41:30 right now I'm digging it uh let's see I've been doing this thing that really helps whenever I have a doubt and I have anxiety and posture syndrome about one condition or the other I just jumble everything up in my mind and tell myself stop I have something this is something I tell people all the time because I do think diagnosis can be very validating and very important and it's important to know what's going on to a certain extent because like yeah I've had some
41:30 - 42:00 therapists who are like let's just treat the symptoms let's just treat the what's going on and I'm like okay if I went to the ER because I had a really high fever yes your first job is to bring the fever down but your second job is to figure out what caused the fever was it a virus was it a bacteria is do I have a broken bone somewhere that's causing a problem like so yes we need to address the symptoms but we also need to know what the [ __ ] is going going on right um so
42:00 - 42:30 for me what I like to tell people is whatever the name is of your struggles your struggles are real and they do exist and they their realness and reality matters more than their name I think that helps me a lot I haven't found an app that works for me but I do roleplay in my head well like I'll do housework while imagining it's Dragon Ball Z or another anime fight to putp me up I did this growing up I I had some like maladaptive
42:30 - 43:00 daydreaming habits when I was growing up they went away in college um but for lots of different reasons I think but um daydreaming can be a great way to get through boring tasks especially like housework and stuff that doesn't require you to be like focused on answering an email or something um something else when it comes to roleplay when I was in grad school I would roleplay I would cosplay in my head as Leslie nope I would pretend I was Leslie I would go to the store and buy a bunch of waffles and I'd be like I'm a productive badass
43:00 - 43:30 [ __ ] I am Leslie you know and like that really worked for me so highly recommend that I help moms to connect with their kids through Minecraft oh mcraft that's great I actually have somebody I'm going to send you to somebody because I think they would really really get a lot out of that that's awesome yeah it's not nothing it's not nothing yes potato yes yes yes it's not nothing it's not you're suffering uing is real and valid it matters doesn't
43:30 - 44:00 matter if you know the name for it or not I mean obviously knowing the name can be helpful but it even when you don't know the name even when you're having doubts your pain is real and I think that's so helpful recently viewed your video about monotropic spiral my whole perspective has changed in 48 hours I need tips on how to calm down without adding more thoughts to analyze and goals to achieve okay Mama okay so monotypic spiral there's a couple of things that helped me I think
44:00 - 44:30 um first knowing what was going on knowing okay this is how do I because I didn't know the name monot spiral until recently so that's not what helped necessarily it was more like accepting that I am an obsessive person and that the obsession is part of the problem not a sign that I don't have a problem does that make sense like that was
44:30 - 45:00 really big for me was realizing okay I'm so obsessed with this it's negatively impacting my life the obsession is part of the problem it's not a sign that I don't have a problem at all right um the other thing that helped me was EFT tapping that helped me tremendously actually uh so if you haven't heard of that it's where you tap really specific spots and as you tap you talk yourself through difficult emotions so I would would tap and be like I do not know what diagnosis I have and it's driving me
45:00 - 45:30 crazy and it's so stupid I'm so stupid I probably have nothing and nothing is wrong with me and so I would just like the way I tap is I do three steps acknowledgement validation and reframe so first you just acknowledge what you're feeling I feel crappy I think I have everything because I'm stupid and I hate myself like whatever whatever it is you just be honest then step two as you start to tap and you keep moving you move into validation it makes sense that you're frustrated with yourself it makes sense that you're angry everybody's expecting you to get better but how are
45:30 - 46:00 you supposed to get better if you don't even know what's going on and all this stuff then you move into reframe which is like a gentle shift just like a little bit um and that's where I would say stuff like like what I was saying before whatever it is that I have my suffering is real and I do need help and it's okay to not be sure I can seek help even if I don't know what the name for what's going on even if I don't know what the name is so that's kind of what I would do EFT tapping was huge for me so let's
46:00 - 46:30 see I love dragon b z yeah Mom craft connect is your channel name my sister is neurotypical but it's two ndy kids that both play those kinds of games yeah have you ever felt when doing a task hours went by but still unable to finish it it's a strange feeling that after an hour I come to realize yeah Kumar I have absolutely done that where it's like hours can go by and I'm just not doing the thing what am I doing I don't even know did I call my sister I went live on Instagram I ate some lunch like it's I'm just ping around not doing anything it's
46:30 - 47:00 like would you just do the thing and then we could be done so I get it I try not to talk to myself in that really negative tone I try to be more like okay what about this project is so difficult like what about it is making me want to procrastinate and avoid and avoid and avoid and then I try to address that particular part so like a big reason I don't do stuff sometimes cuz I don't feel like recording I don't want to turn my personality on I just want to like let my personality sit inside me I don't want to have to project um and so I'm like okay how can
47:00 - 47:30 we shift that how can we make it so you're able to project your personality or is there other work we can do and we can do the projecting stuff later when you're feeling more into it you know um so that's kind of what I do to help with that I feel like I'm both but my boyfriend does not believe me until I get diagnosed from the doctor I want to learn how to stop sabotaging my relationships Katie cutie um something I will say a lot of people think that you can only be diagnosed by a doctor a lot
47:30 - 48:00 of people hold that opinion and that's a valid opinion a lot of autistic folks and ADHD folks hold that opinion and I'm not here to dismiss it entirely I am here to question it why do we believe that medical school while intensive and very helpful and teaches you a ton makes someone an expert on who you are a really great thing I saw online was like a doctor saying don't confuse your Google search with my medical degree and someone responding don't confuse your medic medical degree with 20 years living inside my brain and body
48:00 - 48:30 you know like you know you and I personally couldn't self-diagnose because I was too stuck in the monotypic spiral I was too obsessive and I I didn't know what was going on I couldn't I couldn't be sure by myself I needed help but some people know some people know they're Autistic or ADHD or both it's very obvious it's very clear to them once they start learning about what it's actually like to be autistic in ADHD rather than just learning about the
48:30 - 49:00 stereotypes and that is often sometimes a reason that people don't like self- diagnosis because they're like well you just saw a couple Tik toks Kitty cutie I'm going to guess that you have done more than a couple of Tik toks you've probably watched YouTube you've probably read some articles you've probably taken some tests right you know and or maybe you don't know maybe you're really confused and you do need professional help and that's fine too that was me that was me and that's fine but I I think you just need to have an open and honest conversation with your boyfriend
49:00 - 49:30 about like hey even if I'm not these things I do notice these struggles could we start accommodating these and I don't think it's sabotaging your relationship to expect accommodation and support you know what I mean yeah um oh goodness okay uh you this is my channel name all together together and I just released my first video about ADHD last week ah neurod Divergent please ask
49:30 - 50:00 a question yes drop it drop it in the chat absolutely Megan I would love to connect with anyone who's excited about what I do oh that's great yeah that's awesome I'll check it out currently working on a free app to help with this kind of stuff too have you ever felt when doing a task oh okay yeah I answered that um let's see the starting is the most difficult thing even for things I love to do holy cow yes so let me tell you I actually have a whole video series on how to get things done part one is how
50:00 - 50:30 to start part two is how to not get lost in the middle and part three is how to actually finish what you start all of which I need help with but go watch the video on how to start stuff um but one thing I really recommend is literally like clenching all your muscles as tight as you can and then shouting one two three go and then you just like jump and you head in the direction of the thing you need to need to do that has helped me sorry for shouting by the way I hope that wasn't too loud um that has helped me tremendously like I can't even tell you
50:30 - 51:00 how many times I do that on a pretty regular basis um I have ADHD officially diagnosed but not ASD one psychiatrist said I absolutely obsessional type um I try to formulate the question yeah I I see it I see it so it sounds like um it sounds a little bit like you have ADHD and you're wondering if you also show signs of autism so I can't diagnose
51:00 - 51:30 anything I'm not a doctor or a therapist even if I was I couldn't diagnose anything on a YouTube video but um autism tends to come with very rigid thinking it tends to come with Hyper or hyposensitivity to sensory experiences it tends to come with missing social cues and not always being aware that you're missing social cues which can be hard because it's like how do I know if I'm missing social cues if I don't know if I'm missing social cues this is where talking to other people can come in help handy um but yeah let's see what resources of Med or media are you aware of for multiple
51:30 - 52:00 diagnoses with audhd mind we are plural D and was diagnosed first 15 years ago and our audhd diagnosed about nine months ago congratulations on being diagnosed that's great so meteor aware for multiple diagnoses okay so if you are plural um I really recommend there's a couple of systems who I follow and like think provide really helpful information um I can't think of their names all of a
52:00 - 52:30 sudden shoot but yeah they're hold on hold on where is my phone where did I set my phone it's somewhere it's it's not there it's not there sometimes I'm like I'm talking on my phone and so where the heck did I put my phone oh there it is I see it I see it it's under my book all good okay hold on I'm on it I'm on it because I know of a couple of really cool system creators
52:30 - 53:00 who I would absolutely recommend okay the plural Association is an account that I follow um let's see they're a nonprofit for did and OSD and all other forms of Multiplicity under the plurality umbrella I really recommend them they post pretty regular regularly uh which is awesome like they've posted several times this week already um so the plural
53:00 - 53:30 Association um let's see [Music] messages yeah so and fun fact the plural Association um the person behind that account is going to be speaking at the
53:30 - 54:00 neurod Divergent lived experience Summit most likely in January it's not until January so there's still a chance something could change but I've reached out and they're interested so yay um because I really do want the neurod Divergent lived experience Summit to be about neurode Divergence not just autism and ADHD so I'm reaching out to all kinds of neurod Divergent folks including folks with did so anyway um I'm trying to think um she's not a system uh she's not like plural but uh
54:00 - 54:30 skitso kitso is really interesting she talks about having skitso effective disorder um and I've been really enjoying her content I'm hoping to get her for the uh Summit as well we'll see um but yeah yeah yeah yeah okay I yeah I feel like sometimes it's people just trying to dismiss you because they don't want to deal with it yeah self diagnosis is totally valid there are so many difficulties to getting assessed yeah oh sister amen 50 years with this alien brain and no diagnosis I feel seen and it's so good heck yeah Mama okay your
54:30 - 55:00 partner should respect you and support you if you can't have an open talk with them I always saw this as a red flag yeah like the one two3 jump idea 55 years and only recently diagnosed yes I see okay the biggest challenge with my ADHD is getting my husband to accept it and to realize that my boys are very likely all have it and possibly one of them with odhd yes yes yes yes yes yes okay um so I wish I'm very grateful that I don't
55:00 - 55:30 have advice for people with unsupportive partners because my partner is crazy supportive and always has been I will say when I was first diagnosed with bipolar he was upset and not sure because we weren't married at the time we had only been dating like two or three years and that's a long time but we were really young so like it's not like two or three years when you're in your 30s like that kind of dating is much more serious then we were 18 you know so he was a little unsure about like what this relationship was going to look look like especially because my it wasn't bipolar but you know my emotional
55:30 - 56:00 disregulation and my attachment trauma and stuff like that was really affecting our relationship and I could you know it it was just difficult so I can say that acknowledging that what about your ADHD is difficult for them can help be an entry point into the discussion but you don't want that to be the sole focus of the discussion because your ADHD is not about them it's also about you right and so I mean one of these times I'll have my husband come on for one of these lives or I'll have him do a YouTube
56:00 - 56:30 video with me because he's very neurotypical as far as we know he's one of the most well adjusted human beings I know and I actually have a podcast episode with him if you're interested um if you go to the neuroc Curiosity Club on Spotify or apple podcast or anything like that um and just search Adam and it'll pop up it's my husband's name is Adam and um or maybe maybe I didn't even name him in that search husband maybe and it should pop up but um yeah it's it's helpful to
56:30 - 57:00 learn from someone who is supportive how like what kind of support you need I guess and it could also be a helpful episode to show your husband to be like look this is how this person supports his wife and all this stuff and these are the supports she has that I would also like from you is that possible and you guys can have that conversation hi Autumn Leaves I was trying to find a video that's ADHD versus autism versus audhd yeah I know I have ADHD but I don't know if I have autism thank you yeah so it's it can be tricky to tell a
57:00 - 57:30 lot of us have both but a lot of us don't and that's okay either way is fine and I think it's important to explore if you can afford assessment that can be a really great way to like sus things out but you have to find an assessor who knows what they're talking about who's close to you and affordable and that can be a big ask sometimes um and it's not the only way to know Autumn Leaves I really recommend going to embrace Das autism. they have a lot of quizzes you can take and stuff like that highly recommend that or if you guys are
57:30 - 58:00 interested um let me send you the link to my shop um I have got uh Discovery binders um so they are basically they include links to free assessments they include links to full studies it includes a blank spreadsheet and a list of potential like examp traits and symptoms um that you could list to keep track of your personal
58:00 - 58:30 traits um and then it also comes with Journal prompts so this is all digital it's all in a Google Drive you just make a copy and then you can start editing your version of it um and excuse me so really recommend those I have one for ADHD and one for autism you can buy both uh for cheaper I think so it's 25 each or 40 together so you save 10 bucks when you buy them both um but that's only if you need both obviously so um highly recommend those is monotypic thinking both ADHD and
58:30 - 59:00 autism I love this question yes yes it is uh ADH deers have some monotropic thinking autistic folks have a lot of monotropic thinking and audh deers have out of those three categories the most monotropic thinking and there was a study done on this I don't know where it is I don't have it to site for you right this second but that it was a thing that they studied so yeah yes both of them experienced monot trism I have a whole series on monot ISM on my channel if you want to check it out it's most of the most recent videos um
59:00 - 59:30 yeah can you reach out to people with OCD I would love to I think that's a really good idea I would love to reach out to some folks who have OCD and bring them to the summit because I think that would be really beneficial for sure so I will keep that in mind and I will try to reach out to some folks who experience that we listen to Cody green and he's great so we'll check out the other Creator too thanks yeah I'm about to get ready for an ADHD diagnosis then we're going to see if I have autism too after I get the ADHD assessed that's great I think that's wonderful I think getting
59:30 - 60:00 them to understand that it's okay if they don't fully understand it yet but that you hope they will still respect what you have to live with while they learn that's a good one ybar yeah yeah I've been on the journey to be able to talk about how I'm feeling and how he is feeling it's helped a lot but it's still a work in progress yeah yeah it it is and all relationships are you guys are not fully healed individuals connect in with each other perfectly all relationships come with rupture the important part is the repair okay as
60:00 - 60:30 long as you do the repair work it's all good it's all good uh just watch the monotropic explanation that you posted very helpful yes yes yes yes I and people with both ADHD and OCD because it's such a bad mix yeah we can definitely I can attempt to find folks who fit that description for sure um yeah I'll look for it I'll keep my eyes out and if you guys have any of your favorite OCD related creators drop them in the chat I'll be sure to try to reach out to them um we're aiming for
60:30 - 61:00 people with like a mediumsized following uh because a lot of the people with the really big followings I they're not going to see my DM so I mean granted if you have someone with a huge following and you really want to see them I've gotten big names before like Leila freaking sod spoke last year she wrote me and white supremacy like one of the biggest books of 2020 like I could not believe she wanted to speak at the event she might speak again we'll see I'm G to ask so anyway anyway
61:00 - 61:30 um let's see I asked early but okay sorry if I missed it you talk about the difference between a meltdown and ADHD rage o okay yeah I definitely missed that one um let me go ahead and hide my current comment there we go um let's see okay meltdown versus ADHD rage so meltdown is really a lack of control you feel that you are no longer in control of your body of your emotions of your
61:30 - 62:00 thoughts for me ADHD rage is much more like I've got a handle on it but barely and I if I let go I am just gonna I'm just so it's more ruminy I guess it ADHD rage for me is much more like and this can be especially true oh my gosh hold on this could be especially true if you're also autistic but sometimes I get stuck on my rage and it just keeps cycling because I'm having
62:00 - 62:30 trouble transitioning away from it without a proper resolution like what I want the resolution to be um so that could also be an Autism thing but I guess for me when I'm experiencing ADHD rage I'm not as familiar with that um I guess I always attribute my rage to my attachment issues and my trauma I don't always attribute it to my ADHD but I guess it could be
62:30 - 63:00 related I guess the times I have experienced ADHD rage and I'm pretty sure that's what it was is usually low frustration tolerance is really what it is it's that I'm frustrated and I'm finding it really really difficult to not be frustrated and it's I just I feel stupid and ashamed and again it's kind of trauma based right so whereas um a meltdown I I don't feel in control at all it's not because
63:00 - 63:30 of being frustrated it's like being frustrated can lead to a meltdown so it's not really the cause that's different it's more what happens after that's different so let's say the same thing causes two different reactions which is totally possible um let's say I'm trying to make something on my website work and it's not working it could lead to ADHD Rage which is just like this work godamn it like please
63:30 - 64:00 just work just work just work I don't understand why is everything's so dumb I'm so angry blah blah blah a meltdown which could be caused by the exact same thing is I'm so stupid what is wrong with me this is so like I can't do anything and like sometimes it can jump all the way to unal living thoughts you know like it it's to me a meltdown is more intense but I also am Le not as familiar with ADHD rage so I don't want to like
64:00 - 64:30 do the suffering Olympics thing and say which one's worse it's not that it's just that a meltdown is much more directed at me whereas ADHD rage tends to be more directed out I guess that's my very fumbly answer sorry let's see also have some OCD symptoms along with audhd but wonder if they're trauma
64:30 - 65:00 related yeah and it it could be it could be trauma related it could be autism related it could be that you have some OCD traits without qualifying for the full disorder that's how I am I have a lot of obsessive Tendencies but because I'm not as compulsive um I don't really qualify for an OCD diagnosis and a lot of my obsessive Tendencies actually come from my autism so um that's kind of how I've eventually worked it out in my head
65:00 - 65:30 um also have OCD okay you're very smart thank you yeah thanks Kiara Reeves Graves sorry not Reeves um squirrel Dad okay has some funny shorts about ADHD Nicole R rafy uh K graes says audhd and has OCD and they'd be a great person to reach out to okay sweet probably big but ADHD love yeah that's that's a big ask I don't know I don't know how to get their attention that's the thing like if I can um if I can get their attention a lot of
65:30 - 66:00 people are willing to work with me and they want to be part of this but it's it's hard to reach out to bigger accounts um being blank most of the time is ADHD behind it I don't know being blank most of the time I don't think so just because ADHD is often associated with a lot of stuff going on all the at the same time it's not usually associated with that blank slate that's like kind of dissociative a little bit I wonder if
66:00 - 66:30 that's more of a trauma thing uh but I'm not a trauma expert so I don't I don't know anyone have sleep issues yes a lot of adhders have sleep issues a lot of autistic folks have sleep issues a lot of Audi deers have sleep issues yes um for sure a lot of us deal with chronic fatigue or restless leg syndrome or narcolepsy or insomnia or sleep apnea it is very highly correlated with ADHD at least I know that for sure and I'm
66:30 - 67:00 fairly certain at least chronic fatigue is associated with autism as well so very common Firefly you would not be alone in that I am a bit of an exception I love sleep I sleep all the time but not necessarily in a chronic fatigue way anymore I used to but I was also pregnant with twins I was just exhausted um so I now I sleep a lot but not not in the like sleep isn't restful need more kind of
67:00 - 67:30 way I just sleep a lot because I like to sleep so um yeah let's see yes and because of my OCD too yeah very enlightening about meltdowns and rage when I go into a rage it is a mini explosion is related to frustration some days I can help it and some days I'm highly susceptible yeah yeah could potentially be a meltdown it it just depends again some autistic folks meltdowns are outward focused
67:30 - 68:00 that's more of a classic external meltdown for me I have mostly internal meltdowns just because of like I don't know for lots of reasons that I'm not going to dive into right now um let's see oh yes yeah and my low iron yeah that can be a big thing I'm going for another sleep study that's good figure it out get your answers you deserve them question I'm working on a free app to help people with executive dysfunction still a ways out but if it turns out good is that something I could
68:00 - 68:30 send you to see if you'd want to share it with others oh heck yes yeah absolutely send it my way when you've got it done or if it's in beta and you want someone to test it absolutely because if it works if I find it helpful I will totally share it with my people for sure yeah that's great thought just popped in my head mind wanting to make free tools to help people without family or friends support yeah I think that's brilliant I think that's a really great idea and I would love to be part of it so yes keep me in mind uh my DMs on Instagram are open um so that's usually
68:30 - 69:00 a good way to get my attention I know with bigger accounts it's like how do I contact them contact me through Instagram DMS is usually a good way um I don't check my requests all the time so it might take me a couple days but I try to reck my requests like once or twice a week so I should get back to you but yeah oh my goodness it's 28 already okay folks I have other stuff I have to do today so I am going to go but this was really lovely I hope that this was really helpful um are there any last minute questions I'll I'll leave it open
69:00 - 69:30 for just another minute or two we'll do some rapid fire questions and I'll answer as quick as I can let's see Ying bar I'm interested in learning more about your app too oh cool awesome yeah okay okay cool any last minute questions questions questions questions and I'll see if I can answer them rapid fire style otherwise we can just SK outle if everybody's done if we're ready to go that's totally fine we've been on here for for a hot minute so it's all good um yeah of course Heather no problem
69:30 - 70:00 thank you for being here anyone else under tornado watch oh goodness any WhatsApp Community Link no but I do have a Discord server it is a pay what you can monthly membership starting at $3 a month I will go ahead and drop that link for you that's a great question um there we go thank you for this very helpful keep you updated just discovered you your content is super helpful yay Kate I'm so excited
70:00 - 70:30 I'm glad uh this was awesome yeah of course yeah Embrace autism is great um there's the clubhouse link um that is my uh payi monthly membership it comes with a Discord uh several body doubling sessions a week monthly group coaching monthly book club monthly um guest experts like it's there's there's literally so much stuff in there it's worth probably closer to $97 a month but you can get in for as little as three um
70:30 - 71:00 it's I just wanted to make it as accessible to as many people as possible so highly recommend checking that out doors are always open at least right now so go check that out um my ADHD rage causes me to throw things especially when it's something I'm trying to fix or solve yeah yeah been there um have a fun day everyone remember to let yourself have scheduled board time yep love it thank you for the Discord link of course yeah I can't wait to see you there weather getting crazy C here north of NYC yeah oh good luck stay safe um okay
71:00 - 71:30 well I'm going to scaddle thank you all for hanging out and asking such wonderful questions I hope I will see you over in the Discord and everybody get ready to buy the Audi HD magazine and come to the slumber party because it's going to be so fun so I'm very excited should be out on Monday I'll post about it on the YouTube Community but also make sure you're following me over on Instagram it's @th neuroc curiosity Club that's where I post a lot of stuff um so for some reason my carousels are like not getting seen by anybody but my reals and my stories
71:30 - 72:00 still are so that's good at least um yeah let's see okay bye everyone