Crazy Debate Turns Into HEATED Personal Confrontation...

Summary

In this lively and heated debate between Lav and Brittany, emotions run high as the two dive into a controversial discussion about Brittany's life coaching practices and her alleged "level system." Max and others join the conversation, further intensifying the clash of ideologies. Issues of ethics, agency, personal responsibility, and the potential harm of public advice are central to the discourse. Despite the fervent argumentation, the conversation reveals differing views on the responsibility that comes with influence and the personal impact of such debates.

Highlights

• Brittany's level system faces fierce criticism from Lav and Max 🌪️
• Max questions the ethics of Brittany's advice-giving model 🧐
• The debate touches on broader themes of influence and responsibility 🎯
• Drama peaks as personal insults and heated exchanges unfold 💥
• An unexpected twist: participants question each other's motivations and intent 🤔

Key Takeaways

• Brittany's life coaching methods spark intense debate 🔥
• The controversial 'level system' is scrutinized by the panel 🔍
• Ethics in public advice and influence take center stage 👥
• Personal responsibility vs. free will: the debate rages on 🤔
• Can one's personal truth be universal? The panel struggles to agree 🌍

Overview

The debate unfolds with Lav and Brittany sparring over the contentious topic of life coaching and Brittany's unique 'level system.' This system, purporting to rank people's introspective abilities, becomes a focal point of criticism, particularly from Lav, who questions its ethical implications.

Max joins the fray, challenging Brittany on the potential harm of her methods. His concerns highlight ethical dilemmas and personal responsibility in the realm of online influence. The conversation dives deep, with participants arguing over free will, guidance, and the social responsibility that comes with public life coaching.

Despite the heated arguments, the debate touches on critical questions about the nature of personal truth and its universality. Participants, with varying degrees of investment in the topic, explore the often-blurry lines between helping, harming, and staying true to one's personal philosophy in the public sphere.

Chapters

• 00:00 - 10:00: Tensions Rise and Accusations Fly In the chapter titled 'Tensions Rise and Accusations Fly,' there is a heated exchange marked by repeated commands to 'shut up.' One person accuses another of being overly confident in dictating how they should live their life. The conversation turns to serious subjects like suicide, personal recovery, and progress, with references to inappropriate and possibly harassing behavior. The tension is high, and the dialogue reflects deep personal discord and misunderstanding.
• 10:00 - 20:00: Philosophy of Autonomy and Harm in Society In this chapter, the discussion revolves around the speaker's strong dislike for another, expressed openly as they reflect on a previous conversation involving Britney. The speaker criticizes Britney's approach, likening it to a dating show where she explicitly states her desires in a person. The chapter also touches on a humorous remark about how Britney uses the word 'human.'
• 20:00 - 30:00: Debate on Ethics and Responsibilities The chapter titled 'Debate on Ethics and Responsibilities' discusses concerns about the ethics and responsibilities tied to having a platform, particularly focusing on the impact on followers. The speaker expresses worry about someone's platform, specifically mentioning a person named Britney, and raises questions about her audience's demographic. There is a concern about possible negative implications on someone who has dealt with personal issues like BPD (Borderline Personality Disorder). The chapter highlights the complexity of influence and the necessity of thoughtful engagement with one’s audience.
• 30:00 - 40:00: Personal Experiences and Unconventional Approaches The chapter discusses the potential influence of unconventional advice from a prominent female figure on women, particularly regarding personal lifestyle and relationships. The speaker expresses concern that women might misinterpret this advice as prescriptive, potentially leading them towards loneliness in their 30s if followed blindly. Despite the figure offering frequent caveats, the speaker underscores the lack of control over how audiences perceive and act upon such messages.
• 40:00 - 50:00: Debate on Impact and Morality In this chapter titled 'Debate on Impact and Morality,' the conversation revolves around a discussion where a participant recalls a past conversation that involved a somewhat perplexing and codependent statement. The statement in question was 'you're my favorite burden,' leading to a debate on its meaning. The participant expresses disbelief and confusion over this statement, questioning its moral implication and the impact it had during the discussion.
• 50:00 - 60:00: Analyzing Roles and Responsibility The chapter titled 'Analyzing Roles and Responsibility' delves into the complexities of self-perception and enlightenment within personal relationships. The speaker discusses a particular individual's belief in their own enlightenment, suggesting that while it is acceptable and personal for someone to feel enlightened, it can become problematic when it interferes with interpersonal relationships. The discussion highlights the impact of self-perception on dynamics within a community or group.
• 60:00 - 70:00: Ethics in Guidance and Coaching The chapter 'Ethics in Guidance and Coaching' delves into the complexities of personal relationships, particularly in understanding and respecting each partner's mental and emotional reality. It includes a discussion on introspection and the desire for a partner who shares a similar worldview. The narrative challenges the notion that one's vast and introspective reality should align with or be mirrored by their partner’s, and questions the ethics of labeling such depths of personal introspection as mental illness. This exploration invites ethical reflection on how guidance and coaching should navigate respecting individual differences without imposing mismatched perceptions or diagnoses.
• 70:00 - 80:00: Power, Influence, and Ethical Implications The chapter titled 'Power, Influence, and Ethical Implications' explores the intersections of personal behavior, mental health, and the ethical considerations that arise from them. It involves a discussion about an individual's lack of awareness regarding their own mental health challenges, specifically referring to Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD). The conversation highlights a scenario where there is a misunderstanding or disagreement about the nature of mental illness, suggesting that the person in question does not recognize their behavior as being symptomatic of BPD. This behavior is characterized by a desire to 'wake a partner up' or enlighten others, which is identified as codependent and reminiscent of textbook descriptions for such behavior. The chapter delves into the complexities of personal influence over others and the ethical implications of attempting to change or 'improve' someone else's state of being without acknowledging the underlying mental health conditions.
• 80:00 - 87:08: Conclusion and Apologies This chapter explores the dynamics of relationships, particularly focusing on the aspects of personal growth and change within partners. The discussion revolves around the idea that one might seek a partner who is already 'awake' or developed. There's a contemplation on whether someone would attempt to 'wake someone up' if they are nearly what the other seeks in a partner. The conversation turns introspective as the speaker reflects on their relationship and communication with another person, suggesting a need for direct dialogue to resolve misunderstandings. The chapter closes with a hint of regret or an apology for past interactions.

Crazy Debate Turns Into HEATED Personal Confrontation... Transcription

• 00:00 - 00:30 shut the up La shut up shut the up La shut the up that's why you confident no that's why you feel confident telling me what to do with my life you think you have the answer when you start talking about suicide or invoking the idea my life for literally 30 years and I got out of it understand I understand you're over no you're all over my recovery all over my progress all over my it's not about you personally you have that was super inappropriate and kind sexual harassment guys guys guys CH
• 00:30 - 01:00 chill to be clear I actually hate you it's not a joke I I listened to uh a conversation that you had with Britney and it feels like this is another problem I have with Britney it feels like Britney comes on and it's like a dating show she's like I want to tell everyone exactly what I want in a human how how I literally use the word human too that's exactly how she'd say it human's going to human um how old is she um I think she's like 32 maybe I should
• 01:00 - 01:30 know that yeah interesting and I know that she spent most of her life like un unwell because she has like BPD or something okay and I I guess it's cool that she's having like all this like thoughts about what she wants but I still feel like it's a I don't know I worry that she's coming on and being like what I worry about with her platform I'm going to talk [ __ ] about Britney now what I worry about with her platform is that like I don't know what her demographic is I don't know if men or women follow her mhm but I'm worried
• 01:30 - 02:00 that like women are going to think what she's doing and like I think I'm I'm worried that women are going to be like oh this is a prescription and I should also act like this because I'm like okay you're also going to be alone in your 30s if you if you take this advice like a lot of what she's saying I'm like this is weird I mean I think she caveats a lot but I mean it's going to depend I'd have to listen to a particular stream segment to see if I agree or she caveats a lot but also we like we aren't control we aren't in control of what like our viewers yeah they can take messages from us if we don't want them to sometimes
• 02:00 - 02:30 right yeah sure exactly you have to be careful and so I just feel like yeah I forget what she said during that conversation with you that was just like I need you're my favorite burden or whatever I was like what the [ __ ] is this [ __ ] talking about like you're my favorite burden and then I mean that I mean I would have to go back and listen to exactly no this is this is what it was this is what it was she no no no she said there was that thing and then she said um [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] it was like the most codependent statement I've ever heard in my life uh she was like oh
• 02:30 - 03:00 she said that she wants someone so she she thinks that she's like enlightened she thinks that she's like the most enlightened person in the world right okay here now we're just now we're farming shat to sh on Britney okay no no no no no no no no this is I cuz I want people to understand this is that about how she thinks she is yeah well no and that's fine if you if you want to feel like enlightened that's like perfect perfectly fine it's none of my business there no it's nobody else's business right okay the problem is that when like in a relationship if people are hearing this and are in PR Community or whatever
• 03:00 - 03:30 mhm in a relationship you cannot like wake someone up so she said that like her reality is like so vast and beautiful and incredible and she sees so much and she's so introspective and she has like videos on how to tell like if your partner is introspective enough and um and then she said that she wanted someone else who is in that same reality and I'm like okay so you want someone who is also mentally ill like that's what you're saying just let you know I disagree with all these characterizations but if you want to
• 03:30 - 04:00 keep well no that's what she said that's what she said I don't think she wants something that's like mentally ill no she doesn't realize that it's mental illness though she doesn't prob disagree with you that it is I okay all right she doesn't realize that this is literally BPD and also to want to like wake a partner up uh-huh like or the level system uh-huh yeah to want to wake people up to their like truest enlightened being okay is like the most codependent textbook Behavior
• 04:00 - 04:30 that you could that you could engage in with a partner to like wake them up or change them in like any way you can set a boundary I don't think she's looking for people to wake up that she want I don't think she wants to change a partner no she's not looking she's looking for people who are already awake but I'm sure that she would try to wake someone up if they were almost perfect I I don't know I don't know if she'd spend her time with that person I I truly don't know you should ask her you should talk to her I don't know I don't know if she's willing to talk to me after the way that I've spoken to her well stop being mean about it I thought you said you r a pan with her mean here's the
• 04:30 - 05:00 thing also like I think I'm I'm also going to have a hard time in the streaming sphere of of being honest and like keeping it real because I'm very like blunt but there are ways you can phrase things without being an [ __ ] what what do you think I could do different in the way that I like I disagree with Britney's approach to relationships etc etc like these are all valid statements you can say without being like but I think she's mentally ill and she's trying to find someone else's mentally ill and she doesn't realize that's also not fun at all I wish that yeah I wish if you want to have fun that's fine but just you be aware of the
• 05:00 - 05:30 C having fun is going to come at the cost of of people getting mad and [ __ ] at you and people taking completely she could completely change my mind I am also just like so poisoned by her like by The Well of like and she also like she oh my God she the whole level system is so [ __ ] crazy and I can't believe that like any like I was talking to Nato arod and she was like she was like hahaa Max think she's running a sex cult and I was like cuz I didn't want to like fight with Kyla about about it so I was just
• 05:30 - 06:00 like he yeah that's so crazy um it's impossible not to think that okay yes well what is what is a sex what is a sex cult to you well she's like having this like insane parasocial relationship with all of these people where they get to like see her naked or lwd on only fans and then also she's like interacting with all of them on her personal Discord and also she's creating all these videos for them and she's saying that there's a level system but also you can pay her more if you want to assess to the
• 06:00 - 06:30 highest level it's like Jesus Christ this is like exactly what a [ __ ] cult is and then I was like okay well I don't think that she's probably like you know people who are questioning this I hope that I wonder what she's thinking then or I wonder what she does when people question this and I met someone this girl Leila who went into that Community tried to question her about it and she was blocked instantly because she asked her a question I don't think that I don't believe it no she literally tried to have like a discussion about it and Britney was just like I don't want to [ __ ] deal with this and I'm like ew
• 06:30 - 07:00 like what the [ __ ] is wrong with her I bet that girl was talking [ __ ] find me logs I bet that's what happened absolutely I I know I trust Lea with my life I trust her with my life shout out Lea but she's like part of NATO arodes Community I guess also but I don't know it's just it's insane that like everyone was like so normal around this person I actually like I I commend Max for having like a big discussion with her that is like what the [ __ ] are you doing because it's so unhealthy and it's so weird that she's like I think she's like she's
• 07:00 - 07:30 praying on mentally ill people who like think that they can become better but like with her prescriptions and she's she's like I'm not a professional but then she still like carries herself articulately and she like it's like okay do you even okay listen I can't I like I don't know what I'm supposed to I can't engage with your ideas obviously I disagree with you but you're just why okay so what do you disagree on uh I I think I don't think that selling self-help [ __ ] online makes you a cult leader or is like a necessarily bad action um if you know of
• 07:30 - 08:00 some things that she said or done that are like uniquely bad in terms of like I don't think she should give this type of advice whatever then we can like critique those things but if I don't have access to those things I don't know what the [ __ ] I'm even supposed to critique boy oh my God Dan yeah yeah uh here to shut on well I mean interested in what's going on I'm happy you're here Dan I wanted to do I wanted to do a coup's therapy with us because I I watch do you say that you
• 08:00 - 08:30 didn't like me and it made me sad um no I said that I was reserving my opinions until I've been exposed more I said that I didn't like Britney oh well Stephen just told me that you didn't like me well he was probably not wrong after a amount of time but you know we we'll we'll see I mean so far you know but look I think really how do I put this I think what's going on I think for a lot of chatters I think they would actually be fan of you
• 08:30 - 09:00 but what's happening is that they assume that you um agree with a lot of the stuff that Britney says none of it well I mean it seems like you guys are like really good friends are you like I mean are you on the same page or what with the stuff she does no I think it's disgusting I think that what she does is like yeah and I also yeah I think that putting listen I think that I probably want to have like a similar Vibe and where I'm like you know let's help each other learn things but I think that the way that she
• 09:00 - 09:30 propositions herself above that is completely unethical like she's like the master and can tell you everything right and also the fact that she has like a pay wall also really grosses me out and the fact that she also has a sexual aspect where you can buy that and I get that she's a business woman and she's doing all these extra things and they could not be connected but the problem is that like even if she doesn't intend it to be that way that's like how it is becoming and even if I want to be like you know even if I want to talk about mental health and stuff I'm never going
• 09:30 - 10:00 to put it behind a pay wall I'm never going to pay people for my time to be clear real quick she doesn't put her mental health talks behind a pay wall it's her coaching can you stop [ __ ] running interference we understand I'm not running interference I'm just telling you to be clear if you're going to like sh platform Le be correct about it no I mean she's just giving her opinions so what do you what are the like in your opinion what are the most dangerous things that she does like what is like like what what does she really deserve to be punished for essentially like or like what's the most disgusting thing to you about what she's
• 10:00 - 10:30 doing the fact that she has a level system she has self prescribed herself at the top of it and that she gets to tell people coming to her that they are like a level two or one and then she also said that like level one should be like exterminated I don't think she said that she literally did hold on you're literally using the word literally inly no no no she said she said if a one died nobody would care something okay that's
• 10:30 - 11:00 cool something something is like okay what if someone is a level one to you and like not a level one in the grand scheme of things like who the [ __ ] are you to tell someone it's like very like it's very like Hitler like type of stuff onic it's weird it's not well I mean you think it's just weird that's it you just ascribe weirdness to it is there any maliciousness you feel or well here's the thing also because I think that I I I think that she genuinely as like wow I found something that works
• 11:00 - 11:30 for me and I'm going to prescribe it but I also I so on its face if I'm just looking at the way that she probably sees it she probably thinks that she is helping people the problem is that like there's two problems one of the problems is that like there's potentiality for a lot of harm and the second problem is that she is smart enough to know that like she is smart enough to know that these people like
• 11:30 - 12:00 really care about what she thinks and she like loves it she like Revels in it um and I feel like that is like what what I feel is that like Britney is a narcissist and she like loves getting all this attention and she loves being able to prescribe people things based on nothing based on like her own experience of her mental illness and that just feels really gross uh but I don't think she's evil but
• 12:00 - 12:30 that's because I'm not like a moralist like I don't believe in evil people well if you did believe like in that stuff is like the profiting the worst part about it or is it just the fact that this exists in the first place I think both but definitely the fact that it exists in the first place cuz even if she wasn't profiting off of it this is a very toxic way to go into relationships as a whole like if you think that like if you think that you're better she like said that her brother or something was a one and I'm like how disgusting is it that like you are thinking that you are like better than every in your life like
• 12:30 - 13:00 that is like that is a poison that is infecting you and now you are like putting that poison in other people so that's my that's my take have you talked with her much not at all never yet but man when they talk it's going to be fireworks we're going to talk on Friday but it's about sex work oh what a boy that's so completely out of character for the two of you guys well you see was doing there it's cuz all you guys talk about is this and
• 13:00 - 13:30 relationships non-stop I was making a joke I got you D but but not not really joking actually quite it's actually literally true that I do you think that I talk about relationships a lot I have during this call he means like sex work in relationships yeah oh oh oh oh oh yeah I mean I've talked about sex work because I just quit like 4 days ago I think that all kind of start to move on mhm but sex
• 13:30 - 14:00 work is like her Dr K you know yeah no sex work is my Dr K right now and and even though like I feel like people are getting the wrong idea also if you want to go into sex work and if if you want to go into only fans it's obviously like a lot safer a lot better for women to go into only fans instead of like in-person work right and it makes it like way more accessible and and whatever but there are obvious harms and I and I want to overstate those harms because I think people are understating them and that's it um but
• 14:00 - 14:30 obviously I know that I can't save everyone so what what objections do you think Britney's going to have when you launch your criticisms like how how will how will she defend herself well I think that I have a very big problem with the parasocial aspect of only fans um and I think that she loves it she's like I these are all my friends these are and I'm like no they [ __ ] aren't like these are not people like you can't Al these can't these people can't be your friends and then you also prescribe them a [ __ ] number like and they also look
• 14:30 - 15:00 at you as like she's too smart to not realize that people are looking up to her not looking like at her you know what I mean like they're not leveled because she's a [ __ ] content creator um so I think that the parasocial aspect I'm going to be like listen you're talking to like a bunch of dudes maybe or even girls who are like giving you money and you're like interacting with them and I think that that's unethical like I think that almost like if there was a perfect world where you could watch like a brower's video not interact with these
• 15:00 - 15:30 women but I don't know I don't know because we also know that the parasocial aspect of porn makes you safer men are less likely to like dehumanize you let me let me tell you I think what most people are probably expecting is going to happen on your conversation is that you guys are just going to be weak sauce and be friends and be nice to each other and walk away and be like oh that was a great conversation and I think that that's like a real Dan wants fireworks that's what he wants no I mean I'm being honest with you you're passionate about it let's see
• 15:30 - 16:00 some passion if you're [ __ ] weak sauce and you actually don't care about this stuff then just let her get away with that all the stuff that you think is evil so that's the whole thing there's too much you know the problem is like too many people come out here saying that they care about morals say that they're [ __ ] passionate about something and then the second that someone else comes on with the opposite view you're like oh hey what's up how you doing oh yeah that's great oh I saw your Tweet the other [ __ ] that this person supposedly is completely against everything you are you know doing these massive harms and what you're going to just be friendly like where's your rage
• 16:00 - 16:30 where's your [ __ ] you know that's me we'll see how [ __ ] mad that there is cuz I've seen some [ __ ] you're baiting me okay I mean you can say I'm baiting you but I mean everyone in chat is expecting you to guys to be [ __ ] like best friends and having a nice like civil conversation and then we'll all know that none of you guys are passionate about this and you don't give a [ __ ] about it at all that's what we'll know at that point well well here's the thing is that like also I mean if she was like right here right now I would I
• 16:30 - 17:00 would rather do that than like I've been invited on to Kyla's panel and I don't want to make it about our beef you know what I or I don't want to make it about all the things I disagree with her on like it's a p it's a panel about sex work and I want to be respectful to Kyla and not derail I see so you're like you're like fishing for outs already basically no I'm not fishing for outs but I I think that I let me let me ask you this you want to you want to be you're you're moving to Twitch and you want to be big on Twitch do you think that like being nice and friendly and respectful is going to help you like get ahead and be huge or do you think that
• 17:00 - 17:30 you want to make [ __ ] waves and have clips of you going around on Tik Tok that are going viral cuz you're so [ __ ] based Dan well here's the thing here's the thing Dan so obviously we know that I'm not that person because of the way that I was getting on Madam jiv right like we know that I'm not that person how you were has no basis on how you can be if you care about something no I do but here's I also don't I also really like Kyla so I don't want to be disrespectful if you could find her right now and I could
• 17:30 - 18:00 argue with her right now I would hold on but I just let stand stand by five Steve is probably pretty good at moderating he is kind of a cuck though so we'll see yeah who who which one of us do you like better Stephen come on I'm 33 I know not to answer your question that [ __ ] stupid hold on I'm going to be honest with you you know the answer is Britney because he's been around Britney more and he's had more conversations with her but I like you more right now so we'll see who comes out more on top moving forward oh
• 18:00 - 18:30 you're like our Pokemon wait wait wait wait Stephen [ __ ] Mary kill me me and Max I'm not no I'm not playing that game I'm too smart for that okay I'm too smart I'm too old I've seen too much okay no chat chat tell him me pull actually I'm going to do let me do a poll real quick cuz I feel like chat likes you more right now but if you're a beta [ __ ] it might go down but let me do a poll real quick and DG oh my God she's [ __ ] high Britney
• 18:30 - 19:00 just collect your thoughts that's another thing I feel like people who smoke weed yeah look are you looking at this poll in dgg here that's see you la this is where you say yes or no oh no I I'm not I'm not okay so I typed the poll in chat that's went out to 6,000 people and right now I basically asked who do you like more currently and you're winning 63 to 37
• 19:00 - 19:30 okay those are good stats to be better wait what I mean what do you mean you're winning 2/3 to 1/3 and yeah but I want it to be extreme I want people like way more well here's the thing one is that your Challenger has historic um history here historic history the most historic yeah okay they've they've been they've been around okay so you're on their Turf to a certain extent they've been here more often br's going to be here in 10 minutes okay so do you want to do any
• 19:30 - 20:00 little debate prep here I want to see you get fired up honestly if you want to be I you know how many careers have been launched from dgg this is not a [ __ ] meme I'm not joking and I'm telling you right now if you [ __ ] if you impress with this debate this is huge for you but if you're some [ __ ] weak sauce vanilla woo woo we're all friendly [ __ ] say goodbye I don't know what to tell you at that point but you can impress me you can become a fan favorite overnight
• 20:00 - 20:30 right now you're hated and that's a challenge cuz you got some things going against you that can't be changed but that said what do you mean by that what kind of things Dan well dgg is you know kind of a little bit lately uh a little bit insell but that's fine you can be their hero you can be the I'm not like other girls girl today oh I don't want to be that girl I want I don't I believe in you and step one is [ __ ] having passion about it you care about this issue uh yeah I care about people taking
• 20:30 - 21:00 advantage of other people how much do you care about it I care about it a lot a lot or like you know I care about it twitch a lot because if you care a lot that's something that like you're going to [ __ ] go out there and like make a difference and change some things okay but if it's like some weak sauce like you know I care a lot that's like I care a lot about like [ __ ] rust that's not that much okay you need to really show it and put it on the line cuz that's what's going to make things happen here
• 21:00 - 21:30 here's the thing is that I fear that Britney Brit I know that the type of Communicator Britney is and she's like very evasive and very like friendly and you got to hold her to the coals you got to talk over when she goes and says no answer what I just said you why you dodging I don't I didn't ask you about this tell me X you need to assert yourself and do it now I'm on your side here I'm giving you these tips okay but that's it's going to be challenging for you cuz you're going to want to have this friendly back and forth wait dan are you going to be here with me I mean I'll be here listening in but I'm not a
• 21:30 - 22:00 participant well I'll be in the Discord I'm going to be here in the disc you know more about you know more about her than I do well this is not my fight to fight I don't give a [ __ ] about well I don't give a [ __ ] about so you don't really care about when people wrong people sex workers you don't care about sex workers I mean this is not I care about starving kids in Africa personally I understand that you have put those below workers but that's fine you do you here's the
• 22:00 - 22:30 thing here's the thing you're sending me to the wolves like I know that that Steven is going to s for Britney no he's going to stay neutral the whole way cuz the thing is Britney is Britney is more I'm telling you honestly you need all the help you can get cuz Britney's going to be an experienced debater and you are a virgin debater so you need to [ __ ] you need to possibly cry scream yell like any points that you can do to like throw her off guard are things that are going to really [ __ ] help you
• 22:30 - 23:00 okay I hope you realize Dan is just here at a drama Farm no I'm well I mean I'm here to give you a chance lav to make a name for yourself oh God this now there's so much pressure I need to take a colana pin need a what a clopen that's a the technical name for kazaan oh yeah nice you guys are all on your [ __ ] TRS and [ __ ] okay or what is that yeah I guess it's a it's a yeah it's a
• 23:00 - 23:30 sedative tenus ringing in the ears y my dad's been taking it for 30 years oh God I told him I couldn't sleep well and he was like you want me to send you some benzos and I was like um no Jes Christ that is a long time to take a benzo he should he should be careful after 30 years probably a little late for that one Chief but I don't know the the brain re rewires itself constantly the brain is the danger is probably not taking it now oh definitely definitely yeah
• 23:30 - 24:00 especially if you stop abruptly I know that Jordan Peterson was on colon pimp hold on Stephen what you know that Britney is really good at debating and I don't think lav is so how else can you help lav or protect her or give her a fighting chance cuz it's going to be hard for her Max needs to be here also apparently um apparently Britney is super high so you'll have a thing uh you'll have that advantage that could be that could be a false flag she might be completely not high
• 24:00 - 24:30 designed Stone Cold Sober actually well still even that said even at a handicap I feel like lav needs some damn you're that lav is that [ __ ] huh well what what what do you they're completely Polar Opposites on this issue and they both are extremely passionate about it it's like their life's work so I mean it's going to be crazy and we want to make sure that lab is able to stay on topic so what suggestions do you have for her I'm going here to take a side between these two okay it's about taking sides it's about giving we want a proper
• 24:30 - 25:00 debate we don't want one person to get crushed and not get those ideas out there the gods don't opponent it's up to them see he just wants to keep his options open that's really what it is I'm not here to favor anybody okay I'm an impartial moderator I feel like I should have watched Max and Britney's video more oh is uh Max online get him online why do you why do you guys do this
• 25:00 - 25:30 me see you I'll give a little ping hey bab are you awake I've been bored for 5 hours all day today doing nothing and now all of you come on at once why didn't you guys come on earlier in chat because you were I was doing something else to be honest hey everyone out there that has a Twitch account I know you're not subscribing to anyone else CU Steve doesn't have a Twitch account so give it to me Dan can't stream all one word just
• 25:30 - 26:00 send it over how about my wife Molina okay we should money [ __ ] her she's a [ __ ] millionaire and so are you Jesus Christ so are you you're a Mega millionaire get the [ __ ] out of here you [ __ ] loser well but then I'm the poorest person here you're not getting anymore shut up yeah you have us impress us tonight and then we'll talk okay this is ridiculous this is female oppression and I won't stand for it we need you in the Discord lav wants to
• 26:00 - 26:30 kill Britney and doesn't think she can do it alone are you free who is this Mr girl yeah Max ah so anxiety provoking n you got it you got it hey take off that hat though okay that makes you look weak I know all right get rid of it okay you have any makeup that can make you look
• 26:30 - 27:00 angry I'll just do my eyebrows like yeah yeah okay real quick like anything you can do to make yourself look more vicious you need to do that right now I I feel like the black hair is like a maybe I could put on like a black hoodie so I just just be quick quick quick quick quick quick serious you got to do this serious all right remember this is your chance to go viral how you look right now this is what's going to get spread man you're killing me I'm about to have a panic attack I don't know what would you prefer I didn't say it okay this is [ __ ] like this is what happened when sne [ __ ] blew up okay something like this all of a sudden you were not
• 27:00 - 27:30 you just hanging out and then boom 300,000 views overnight on on Tik Tok W what's what's new men Penning pin and women against each other oh she's already backing out Dan do you hear it uh oh here we go you look well Britney hello hi can you hear me okay loud and clear I'm pretty baked what's going on I was watching Shark Tank but this sounded much more interesting are they still
• 27:30 - 28:00 making new episodes of Shark Tank I don't know we're watching season 11 and I'm here for it oh my gosh wait guys guys yep I need to get up to get my water I have it's so important it's so important this is very serious I I'm taking it very serious okay are you ready wow pleasantries with her already stevenh yeah what I'm just hear here to listen yeah you're showing yourself yeah stop being such a sellout Stephen what's h on so I'm going to set the stage so this is kind of like an
• 28:00 - 28:30 impromptu conversation so I think the two of you guys have some pretty radical um different views on um a few things when it comes to sex work and how that's going to go and really a lot of djg and also um you know just pretty much people on Twitch politics are kind of confused as to I don't want to say like the best path forward but really like we're getting mixed signals here and we need you guys to I don't want to say duke it out but at least discuss what's going on
• 28:30 - 29:00 here so we can kind of make our decision about what's going on are we are we the only people like are we deciding the fate of sex work right now yes oh I thought it was supposed to be personal beef Dan now it's just going to be sex work well we'll see if they actually matter about personal nothing there's no personal be there it is what's up La let me want me let me go take D you guys are so [ __ ] annoying there's no personal beef we don't know oh see to me personally if Steve was like hey Dan uh
• 29:00 - 29:30 I don't like uh your wife I would take that personally okay but I guess if you're not very passionate about these issues that might not be personal to you guys so I understand wait wait wait wait I understand for both of you guys sex work isn't really passionate about you got this is just some like you know it's like working at a 7-Eleven or something just I'm just doing it man you know until something better comes along okay fine all right [ __ ] you all right me I have some I have some ser okay we're going to be on Kyla's panel together and
• 29:30 - 30:00 I guess I didn't want it to get derailed Dan really wants us to fight so here we are I want you to tell us the audience there's 10,000 people watching right now that don't know where to think on this sex work issue and you have the opportunity to tell us in your own words if we should lean to this direction or this direction now go and and put your points forward okay so laugh really fast I'm so sorry what is your position on sex work
• 30:00 - 30:30 uh my position is that it is like pot the potentiality for harm is like too good is too great to like Advocate this to women um okay and also uh the potentiality for harm like parasocial with like the men who are buying is also not something to like glamorize or romanticize sure and I also I also have some other ideas around like I know that you're like a a BDSM I'm like very I
• 30:30 - 31:00 wouldn't call myself anti she is anti BDS that's true but I would call myself highly critical of it I'm highly critical of it too but I also don't care wow this conversation has been amazing and no I I think like you care a lot right but you care in a specific way you care for the everyone the general the all and I care for the few the
• 31:00 - 31:30 forgotten the one so I think like I'm just more individual and you're more Group which is great I think they're both what do you mean what do you mean the Forgotten um I feel like these are like underground communities that have gone mainstream and now the mainstream is trying to dictate what underground communities should be doing but they were underground in the first place because the majority didn't represent them and so they want mainstream notoriety they want to be seen and they want to be like understood and at the same time they struggle because the majority sucks and doesn't understand
• 31:30 - 32:00 them I don't know I just I feel like we have a really skewed and un we just don't really yeah we don't understand each other but why do you think people need to understand BDSM like what is there to be understood nothing more than people should have bodily autonomy I think it's that simple I don't so what do B what does that mean to you what is autonomy to you like agency you have a Consciousness and you have free will and I think you have the right to live your life how you want sure but when when we're giving so if someone's like obviously like addicted to a drug they have autonomy to like get back on that
• 32:00 - 32:30 drug that's going to hurt them but they should have the freedom to and you shouldn't warn them whether or not to get on the drug you should you just be like yep do it and even encourage it sure spend your one life on Earth preaching to people I don't care but like well that's what that's how you spend your life actually so I think that's interesting right sure do it I don't care it's it doesn't matter but I'm saying I do it because it doesn't matter you're doing it cuz you think it matters because it does there's no way for it not to matter I know that you think that this is like a Blas thing that you can do but it's not cuz you
• 32:30 - 33:00 have a platform I guess look this is your one life and then you're going to die bro so part of me is just like accept that we are born and we exist and make the best out of it and some people that's sex work and taking it away from them is pretty [ __ ] up we have like no I'm not wanting to I'm not advocating to take it away from them so you just want to tell them they could hurt also no so also we have one life so we need to make sure that we like are living it like to the best of our ability
• 33:00 - 33:30 who soid sure okay so people should just be able to do as many [ __ ] drugs as they can yes God Bless America [ __ ] what's the point of existing if I can't like do what I want what is literally Point okay but what about those people who are like falling down those pipelines and like die we don't care about those forgotten people only the people who are like I'm a [ __ ] I love it stop you're like you're like okay I feel you I totally feel you but everyone dies Everyone Falls in Love everyone gets their heartbroken life
• 33:30 - 34:00 with suffering is a life well- lived be smart and be strategic and learn from your mistakes but like what's the point of existing if you don't live your life and take a few risks I don't get it I feel like people could be living like much better lives if they're like I argue it is a better life I'm so much more H like I'm happy every day and this was my path so good okay but what about but what about me like I'm not happy every day and I've fallen into pipelines fair you need to find a journey that's good for you girlfriend so Pi should I should I invest in your
• 34:00 - 34:30 level system no no no it sounds like it wouldn't work for you cuz it sounds like you're on a different personality like Journey so like you have to find work for wait what level is lav right now if you had to guess you can be honest I mean if it's a [ __ ] one just say it's a one but like we need to hear it no what obviously not I don't know her well enough so to be one you'd have to be useless to yourself and your community at the same time it's very well it sounds like that's what you're literally saying she is but maybe I'm know because there is a bubble there's a reality for people where lav
• 34:30 - 35:00 is the like whoo like yes that makes sense to me so there are people like her so she should be thriving with those humans which is what the twos um maybe maybe the two so you're a two love well it doesn't make sense cuz you're that a five couldn't hold that opinion I'm not saying her opinion there's not an opin there's not really an opinion that's a two opinion but there is a y That's a two y like her reasoning is what makes the level not do you have all of this like written down
• 35:00 - 35:30 or is this just like how you just in my head that is [ __ ] insane is it isn't it just like it's actually like I actually think that's heinous like I think it's like concur I actually think that's that's crazy that you do that so like what expertise are you working off of what expertise are you working off of there is no expertise that's just like being mentally ill for your whole life oh W I'm just a person I'm just a person no I get it it's very funny haha make fun of the mentally ill
• 35:30 - 36:00 girl but it's so boring too right like what you're doing no I'm also mentally ill I'm saying but I would never P people that they are better than other people or less than other people is the only I don't do that either just cuz you understand it no I don't objectively I don't it's subjective did you not did you not say that like ones like no one would care if they died I did not say that what did you say about it cuz I'm I'm pretty sure that you said I've never said that ever someone can buy a clip girlfriend wait girlfriend 8 billion people on the planet and I would make a statement of all people would never mourn the death
• 36:00 - 36:30 of a ex person I thought I think you said they're so useless that they can't even kill themselves yeah Max that is correct okay no no no no Max that's so different than what she that's wait hold on if that's what she said that's a lot different then they should all die or nobody would miss how the [ __ ] is that like dude colloquially that's that reads the exact [ __ ] same not even remotely close okay yeah you're just simping you're just simping I don't know I don't know as it does come across as nobody would
• 36:30 - 37:00 care if you died even if you're not literally saying that I think I think I've never said that and I've always much if my one died that's why I don't want anyone to bother him my responsibility I I understand but you can also see how feel if you were one you you say you understand feel if you were one wait okay hold don't interrupt each other okay let's be reasonable okay let's try to be reason chat chat how would you feel if you were we're not hold on we're not here wait we're not here to talk to chat we're here to talk to each other well I'm I'm pulling I'm pull I'm P we're not pulling you can't
• 37:00 - 37:30 pull my chat so no you're not pulling the feeling the feeling you get when somebody says when somebody says um you're so useless you can't even kill yourself which probably similar to the feeling you'd get if somebody said nobody would care if you died they are different sentiments so you may believe one and not the other but I think we're talking about how that affects the people who hear it I don't think I am I think I'm talking in the way that the people who aren't um out of sync with their body and their communities can understand so
• 37:30 - 38:00 we can have empathy and compassion for this people who are out of sync are you saying I'm out to you who's in sync I again I asked you what expertise you have I I told you I'm not arguing that I am girl we're YouTubers we're nobodies we're literally nobody's no but people no but the difference is that like people don't pay me to get a prescription for their life like that's the difference I don't they don't pay me to get a prescription for theirs I'm confused wait they don't pay you to get your help to Enlighten them I'm confused I no I'm not I don't I think Guru is a two
• 38:00 - 38:30 concept given to the world to have like a hierarchy of like oh these people are important and they can help me duh I don't literally I'm just a YouTuber say it with me Britney Simon is a YouTuber wait so what you guys taking me seriously is I'm sorry it's so funny cuz you guys are making me bigger than I am I'm literally a nobody I shouldn't even be here what am I doing here you're going to defend yourself listen Dan Dan has been training loud Dan has been training live for the 20 minutes to assassinate you and now
• 38:30 - 39:00 you're fighting that's not true here's the issue at the end of the day I think you guys have radically different views on sex work and you both claim to be incredibly passionate about it but when it comes to this I just see kind of weak sauce kind of responses back and forth like if you care about this like make a difference convince us the viewers of what is the future of sex work essentially how should it is it harmful what's happening right now why you trying to pull this conversation back to the most boring possible area because because it's where every you know Steve
• 39:00 - 39:30 that part that I think that the more interesting part is the part where you're like you I am I'm I think it's insane that you just said that I was like a two and I think that it's crazy that you would put people in your own life below you as a one I think that that's really gross okay I totally get that and I hope wait you don't get to just say I get that you have to why that's what she's saying she gets it she understands it's like I'm like hey you're being an [ __ ] and you're like oh yeah man yeah an
• 39:30 - 40:00 [ __ ] hear me out hear me out like don't you understand that to me you just sound like my mom who's like Betsy I love you even though you're a bisexual it's like okay I don't I don't know what you're saying what you're doing is like potentially abusive though so like if you put people below you and then you put and then you tell other people to like it's not a hierarchy girlfriend listen listen listen not aarch no girlfriend listen to me no girlfriend I'm trying to tell you catch me up what we what's going on okay so lab was in here I can catch you all up okay so lab was in here earlier and then she was talking to me about stuff and then she start you're going to [ __ ] [ __ ] up right
• 40:00 - 40:30 now I'm not [ __ ] [ __ ] up I'm just catching people no I want everybody to be caught up so that we all know what's going on and cuz Brittney doesn't know what's going on lab is apparently forget what's going okay can you yeah tell me what's going on and tell me whose side I'm on okay yeah you're probably on La side okay but we'll see okay um it's confusing okay this is like the end of the boy season 3 okay nobody knows how this is going to end all right so what's going on is lab was here talking to me about personal relationships Etc stuff and then she started veering into the anti- Brittany territory okay now obviously this brings Dan out I say I'm
• 40:30 - 41:00 not really that comfortable discussing Britney stuff when she's not here I'm just going to have somebody [ __ ] on her and then Dan came in and Dan is like La you got some strong opinions about Britney her cult the level system sex work you need to be prepared to destroy her this is your Tik Tok viral moment is the annihilation of Britney Simon on stream who Dan hates he's invested in this and then Dan was also saying I don't know if La can do it alone she's like a beginning debater Britney's got she's a level five she's got her powerful bubble surrounding her like it's you know just Lev two so now so now
• 41:00 - 41:30 the the we need to bring in Mr girl maybe to back up live here because Mr girl also knows that Britney is like a Nazi cult leader person and then Britney's here she's a little high but she got some water so she's good I'm here playing the absolutely neutral moderator and lab is fighting with uh Britney while Dan is egging everything on and that's where we're at right now that's what's going on right now so la la what's the game plan here what are you what are you saying what what Dan Dan really wants to make this about sex work and like our differing opinions and we can talk about that but I also think why we just go back to how much you hate each other then you want Dan please so
• 41:30 - 42:00 you so so I'm going on a panel with Britney on Friday and I didn't want anything to be I didn't want my anger to come out in that panel because I want to be respectful to Kyla what are you angry about I'm angry that be respectful to KY okay what are you angry about I well I'm I'm angry what's the joke there sorry K's a person I don't understand what's going on that's not so Aid don't worry okay keep going sorry sorry love can I ask a rude question are
• 42:00 - 42:30 are you a twitch streamer like who are you I don't know who you are I'm so sorry Kyla introduced me to you and that's how I know that we Thanos I don't even know who you are I so I am wait wait La don't don't answer this hey if I'm your lawyer here I want to just know what are you angry about don't let her distract you um what are you angry about well I I I'm an influencer and then I turned to Twitch uh like a week ago and
• 42:30 - 43:00 I'm getting some traction cool okay welcome welcome thank you uh I I hope this is a right uh line of work for a two um right Line work for everybody nice what are you angry about I'm angry that she well I was angry that she prescribes like a a worldview that is like diseased to multiple people why does that make you angry because I think that she's taking advantage of people who are looking for help okay and is there something else you're
• 43:00 - 43:30 you said you were and now I'm angry because she's like I'm just a person humans are following me I'm nobody and I'm like okay but you're not propositioning yourself that way so it just feels like it feels like she's being slippery and very like Blas about it and I don't think about she's taking she's taking a position of like human authority but then when challenged on it she says I'm just just a human hey La is supposed to be on your side Mr girl what the [ __ ] Mr girl is ironing out her okay Mr girl's ironing out her position so that they're in a better place wait hold on Britney they got to get their case
• 43:30 - 44:00 together one sec wait so so so so lab so the position yeah your position is Britney says I'm a guru come to me for advice pay me for advice I'll tell you how to live and then when you challenge her on it she says oh I'm a nobody so there's no there's nothing to challenge me on I'm just a YouTuber we're all losers but then right after she says that she says well who the [ __ ] are you m [ __ ] Miss Thing the rest of us are twitch streamers so who are you so we're seeing a shifting kind of go post move sh go well shifting like barometer for whether somebody has uh an ability to
• 44:00 - 44:30 say stuff about the world I guess yeah let me switch head shifting levels of authority okay well this is not going to make us look very good lab I really wish you weren't doing this I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry you don't want to be seen [ __ ] around you can't be you can't be weak it's a sign of weakness you have to be ready to go Britney's Dancing Yeah it's like she doesn't even care that she's here God damn it put your [ __ ] face on [ __ ] you just you just torpedoed her case a [ __ ] Spotify on do you guys mind I'm going to turn my ey you see how little
• 44:30 - 45:00 she cares I use that against her use that against her she's not passionate she's speaking I can't I can't cuz it will come in our streams I hate did you make up this level system when you were high well hell wait wait wait stop hold on one at a time Jesus [ __ ] Christ La I don't think we should uh go down this Avenue right you can I have all the answers I'm not [ __ ] I know what my [ __ ] system is why are you guys acting like I'm [ __ ] [ __ ] no no is this script I'm not acting like
• 45:00 - 45:30 you're [ __ ] I'm acting like you're a formidable I'm acting like you're a formidable opponent accountable question and let me answer it okay Al so Al so I think our F our first thing that we want to push forward our the case we're presenting is do you agree that sometimes you present things as though you're an authority but then when challenged on the thing you presented you say well I'm not an authority none of us are authorities it's all just fun and games but there's a lot of [ __ ] money involved so it's not just fun and games what do you say that understand that I speak in sentence structures that end in a like a period so you all hear
• 45:30 - 46:00 me speak with a like an authority voice cuz I am in my masculine I totally feel you that's not what I'm referring to I'm referring to I'm referring to you charging people money to give yourselves you are projecting on to me you know what you're doing here so you think I'm doing the same thing you're doing is this stop stop stop hold on hold on wait I'm not doing what you're doing I don't care about the [ __ ] okay I turn people away all the time I refund people all the [ __ ] time if I cared about money I would add more call I thought
• 46:00 - 46:30 you said that they weren't paying for it I'm confused did you just Lo all my content is free the only thing I pay people pay for is Discord or if they want my personal time during the calls they decide what we do that's it period the end I did calls before I did levels levels came after I've been on YouTube like literally since I was 18 I'm 33 I know what I'm doing okay I've been in this sphere I know what you're doing I don't care what you're doing it's great do it when you say you know what you're doing do you see how you're projecting a certain sense of authority oh that is
• 46:30 - 47:00 good saying I'm saying you're as smart as I am so we all know what we're doing and you're like a a 11 though the numbers refer to introspectiveness not intelligence lab don't yeah intelligence is let thank you Max I would say I would say that you are actually less introspective than I am that's great I love that girlfriend I literally car zero I don't mind because I'm talking to you and I'm saying like do you not realize that like because you are a content creator these people are going to look at what you're saying to them as like I know and they're going to
• 47:00 - 47:30 objectify me no no I know they're going to objectify not going to listen to me no no they're not going to listen to me no they're going to social relationship on to me they're going to project their insecurities on to me and no matter how many times I say guys I'm a person I don't have an education I'm a College Dropout I've already said how many times I'm sick can I give can I can I you guys are putting me on a pedestal I need y all to take me off I know I'm ful thank you take me off the pedestal I'm not
• 47:30 - 48:00 important none of us are important literally we're nobody's no when you argue you come across like you can't follow a conversation and it's really hurting our our uh our case here so when we no because and I ask questions no no your questions don't come across as questions it comes across like you don't know what we're talking about but I know I know that you do I know that you're intelligent I know you can I know I know that you're intelligent I know you can do this I said that it's not well we were kind of honing on on a specific
• 48:00 - 48:30 point right the specific point was sometimes I came you I was already I have coming into it's happening right now mad that I'm not using your framework you just asked me a question you guys are supposed to be on a team godamn it get it we're working that out La I'm trying to answer the question you just asked me you said what are you talking about Max and what I'm talking about is I helped you kind of hone down to I think a pretty fair and good criticism and Britney is still bouncing all over the this is such a bad look all right we got to take Dan Dan Dan shut up and let me
• 48:30 - 49:00 finish even Britney dancing right now is trying to show us oh I'm not an expert I'm not anything she's still doing it right in front of you but you're letting her off the hook when you say oh she's I'm she's an 11 and I'm a two or you start asking her questions like oh if you're on social media people are going to listen to you aren't you it be easier for me to interact with Britney if you weren't coaching mon like I could have been I could have been saying all these things to Brit you obviously don't know you don't know how to do this you have to no you're [ __ ] no when you challenge her when okay when we're challenging her on B you do it and
• 49:00 - 49:30 I can learn okay when you challenge her on B and then you go to x in the middle of it you're actually letting her off the hook for answering to B and then while she's trying to answer X you change the subject to G and then she's all over the place don't no noise and you're actually running interference against you're running interference against your own argument by changing the subject so many times so you got to just like one at a time the the current question is I think it should be if you don't want to go with this let me know
• 49:30 - 50:00 we'll do something else I think a good a good question is sometimes you present yourself as a matter as an authority figure either by creating a level system or by charging people money to talk their Liv with them no not yet okay sorry no so so uh uh charging people money level system but then when challenged on your abuse of your Authority as I think is your charge laugh then she starts dancing around like she's a child and then can't be held to any accountability smiling yeah doing all this and so
• 50:00 - 50:30 slippery yeah but you don't want to say she's slippery you want to ask her do you see the discrepancy between how you're presenting yourself in one way as a guru and then a challenged Guru becomes I'm training her and I'm not giving her feedback no the feedback is implicit you you have to ask her to reconcile it no I'm trying to level with her I'm trying to level with her and you're trying to like train her and I don't want to train her I ask accuse me girl you're trying to accuse me talk to me like a person I'm not your enemy I don't even know who
• 50:30 - 51:00 you are give her give her as much like an alien okay an don't you're you're did we fight did we fight do I know you did we have a fight remember when remember hating me remember when we remember about gay judging that's where you only judge let let Max continue his L remember when we presented her with this this point we said can you reconcile the difference and she what was her response really appreciate if you would shut the [ __ ] up La shut up shut the [ __ ] up La shut the
• 51:00 - 51:30 [ __ ] up shut up it's all coming coming apart remember remember when we presented her with this argument remember what her response was her response was oh my sentences ended a period okay thank you for no that's a great no laugh laugh that's a great moment that's a great moment to challenge her and say well I don't think that's what I don't think we were saying that your sentences shouldn't end in periods and you can keep presenting your argument and just kind of see if she has a way to reconcile it you had no idea what I was going to do because you
• 51:30 - 52:00 wanted to train me you stepped in way too [ __ ] quick okay so if you don't you know what Mr girl hold on on let's let's let's let's let her go run lost my train of thought what saying I want you to call me Max Dan you wanted to monologue you wanted to monologue and now here I know you guys you guys have a very specific relationship this maybe we should have got done some of this preparation in another room listen Britney you're doing [ __ ] real harm out there okay wait Dam why are you
• 52:00 - 52:30 jumping in cuz I just this is I got to come in they Here We Go Britney I think that you are doing re real harm to people I think that you know it because you literally pray on these people you make videos for people who are are low in their life who want to change these are people who are vulnerable you make videos about it and then you're up here knowing what you do and you're like trying to be like I'm a kid I know nothing and I think that that's you're too smart for that so because you're too smart for that I think you're just being manipulative wait there's no way to
• 52:30 - 53:00 respond to that stop you're lit just wrong it looks like but like I hate to say it like I'm just like a person who literally offers her time if you want to make a big deal out of it it's in your head girly it's just like a conspiracy theory in your head no okay the big deal to these people the problem is every deal that people objectify me and don't listen to what I say and it's said put me on a pedestal and then I have to remind them I'm a person and then what I refund them and they go on their way what do you want me to do you want me to change my whole [ __ ] life because a couple people are [ __ ] and they get
• 53:00 - 53:30 they're mentally ill and they cling to me it's life grow up and then what you do is your best this is my best you got a problem with it come into my shoes otherwise [ __ ] off Mr girl just [ __ ] go laugh laugh chill chill laugh laugh hold on this is important worried about something that's not an MR girl God damn it Let them fight this lab this is an important this is an important moment we've seen the shift again so now we know this is her primary defense I'm just a person I have no responsibility for what these people
• 53:30 - 54:00 do or their money or their mental health because I'm just a person 18 plus my whole my whole channel is aged 18 plus guys what's the problem what is the actual problem and now and now we're back to now now we're back to the dichotomy of I am being responsible I I have at 18 plus I'm handling this responsibly but also I don't have to handle it responsibly because I'm just a person I'm just a human the of what's responsible to me my according to my values it's subjective we disagree on what values mine mine Max not yours not Gods nobody's mine period the end I
• 54:00 - 54:30 think that I'm having a hard time like is this even movable cuz Britney is like very clearly like I feel like it's not real it's just a [ __ ] and reject me Max where you feel like you can talk to like a narcissist and change their mind I'm just trying to ask questions why Destiny they're taking me so seriously I'm an idiot no maybe you're saying that like you you speak
• 54:30 - 55:00 I'm my God who do you think I am bro I don't even make six figures relax I'm a baby nobody why are you acting like I got power in the world but at any scale so at stop projecting your idea of yourself onto me we are not important we are nobody we do our best sometimes people get hurt that's life grow up we do our best people can get hurt grow up that's a Hitler that's a Hitler quote that's that's risking no bringing Bab much of a risk is what I'm doing just how life goes think you're to focused on
• 55:00 - 55:30 the outcome of the conversation laugh so if I were you if I were you if I were you here's what I I'm going to actually delete delete you from the world um please no death threats no death that's not a death threat I didn't say any barred words I'm being careful laugh I think that instead of focusing on the outcome of the conversation which is kind of like a manipulative thing to do I would focus more on what you want to be doing in the conversation just presenting your case and genuinely
• 55:30 - 56:00 giving her space to respond dude again now my brain is fried because I have let me let me take over for a little bit may I may I can I get the B let me get the ball no no no no hold on hold on I haven't said anything let okay for Max and lav okay tell me if this is an okay summation okay of what you would say to Britney okay Britney are you listening okay Britney you run a stream where you make it seem like you have life put together together so well that you've created on your own with no expertise no psychological information
• 56:00 - 56:30 or anything this leveling system to arrange People based on how introspective they are and you think that introspective is is incredibly important that's a really important thing to you so you are a person that presents yourself as having life figured out is being incredibly introspective and then on the back of that presentation you have a personal relationship with your audience that you pursue through Discord and personal messages and responding to them on stream and then on the back of that you sell people lessons for to improve their life wrong they're not lessons that's
• 56:30 - 57:00 stupid my piano teacher okay wait real quick so regardless of how you regardless of how you sell them they would argue is that what they would argue is that the perception is that if somebody stumbles onto your channel and they see that you've presented yourself as a form of Guru they see you have a way I understand I understand a mentor sure Mentor sure they see how you present your channel they see the system that you've created and then they see they've got a way to give you money to gain some insight into your life even if you handle it in a responsible manner these guys feel like that is a system that is prone to abuse that's what
• 57:00 - 57:30 they're it can be if you know you don't put boundaries in place and if you you know it's sad dude when your viewers like soci relationship were you asking us if this some I think okay sure okay yeah real quick before Britney responds do you feel like that's a fair summary of your criticisms I would I would like to add that the claim to Authority is also the basis of the business model yeah her having like the life system and everything right and and in order to have that kind of authoritative voice
• 57:30 - 58:00 ethically I think you need to be able to be challenged on the things you say like when you say that ones are useless people who should kill themselves she never said that to be clear never okay that's what that's what that's what that's what your brain it's not my fault you don't speak my language that's you are the only person who speaks your language that's not true laugh stop just so just the world would be a better okay
• 58:00 - 58:30 okay they're not even able to just to be clear so we're using the right language she said the world would be a better place without them objectively okay great subjectively I don't want them you're going to why do you think you what let me let me just put the final what does objective mean to you stop changing the laugh see now she's got something she has to answer to but you're giving her now you're asking her the definition of the word is a much easier question to answer than the one she's being asked so stop
• 58:30 - 59:00 replacing hard questions withu [ __ ] easy questions let okay goad so my final point is in order to be to do this ethically at all you need to be able to be challenged on your positions and if when you're challenged on your in somewhat insane positions your response is to say human's going to human I'm not an authority T he I'm just a little girl then that's when it becomes unethical so I think you can do a guru thing semie ethically but becomes extremely unethical when you cannot actually be challenged Max you you need to be a
• 59:00 - 59:30 better debate partner to La moving forward sorry I think you should the Nam saying if you you need to understand and acknowledge the gravity that you have on people who are looking up to you no that's not no that's not really what I said okay can I like conversation now you may I'll really hard listen laugh that's not what I said I swear to you so I have a video called brinnie through the levels have you seen it uh a little bit of it yeah before I
• 59:30 - 60:00 just say yes yes yeah law guys I went through something that was profoundly important to me and then I left the internet and when I came back I told myself that I would try my hardest to meet people like me so I put out these videos and I talked about this idea I had in my head that a friend and I created after we had two different experiences and then we came together and we're like wow you had that experience too cool how does our lives overlap and then we came up with this like really fun idea okay then I shared this idea to the internet and I made it
• 60:00 - 60:30 sound really important and the internet was really serious about that but it's not that serious cuz nothing is we like everything's a social construct everything's made up all religions are fake like take a deep right it's perect example please don't blow it please don't give her something else to answer don't change presenting it like you don't even really believe in it no don't say that no she's presenting it like she's
• 60:30 - 61:00 presenting it like nobody believes in anything she's presenting it like beliefs and authority and responsibility are where the that that don't even exist it's more than just I don't believe in it she's saying nobody believes in anything therefore nobody can be held accountable for anything that they do or say because it's all just silly Max listen to me I brought you on here cuz I love you the point of this is to have them kill each other not for you to kill Britney yes Max is more serious here okay La real quick just what Max is
• 61:00 - 61:30 trying to the point that Max the point that Max is trying to get across from you is let's say you um you confront somebody who's a child rapist and they're like I really like raping kids and you're like that's disgusting you shouldn't and they're like I love raping kids with brown hair it's the most fun thing in the world and you're like wait a second do you think that brown-haired kids are the most attractive when you should be focusing on the child rape part that's what Max is saying she'll bring up like a detail about like the more that's not Central to what's being discussed but then you'll jump in on that and fight on the side battles and she can win those very easily because
• 61:30 - 62:00 she's not an idiot and Max knows she can win those so when you start Ching oh well you think I'm a one or whatever she's going to say I don't know if you're one you might be whatever you are right and then all of a sudden you lose yeah that's what Max like I'm like a I'm like a wolf like a and she throws a little piece of hot dog and you go [ __ ] running after it and then I got to get you and I got you're and I'm like you ready to do like like okay SW hot dog let's go let's get back on topic I I watched your your thing with Britney I did not think it went well so obviously what you it's
• 62:00 - 62:30 over it's done look it's like the boys I said it was going to be like the boys season 3 the end this is what's happening oh shut up okay Max I I appreciate what you're doing and that you like really want to like pin her and this is like a debate for you for me I'm like seeking to understand and I want it to be a conversation honestly honestly I'm only on her on your side because that's the side I was assigned to if you want me to switch to Britney's side I would love to
• 62:30 - 63:00 [ __ ] grind you into dust right now as it stands I appointed to you and I'm trying to help you not win a debate but have a conversation that makes any [ __ ] sense or has any meaning that's my goal I just want the conversation to have meaning fine Mac I allow you to switch to Britney side lab let's [ __ ] finish this [ __ ] you ready all right we're going work together [ __ ] crush this [ __ ] I know how thanks I came from his town let's end these [ __ ] [ __ ] once and for all right the floor
• 63:00 - 63:30 is yours long talker let's go what that's me yeah that's you what are we doing what are we I'm long talker you're long talker what uh Mr girl is on your side now I guess and Dan is so lav yeah the brown haired ones are not the most attractive lav that's a ridiculous statement let's go you me Mr girl let's go oh my God this is [ __ ] ridiculous I first of all I want you to know Max that it's like extremely denigrating when you're telling me that I can't hold my own and you haven't given me a chance to [ __ ] hold my own at all that is
• 63:30 - 64:00 true you do talk over women a lot right now you're talking a woman I have different questions than you do so if you you direct conversation if you want to direct this conversation go ahead go ahead I don't want to direct the I'm on the now I don't want to direct you you're in charge taking my bra out of my ears why would I direct a conversation you I have to deal with dad training me and then I have to deal with [ __ ] Britney acting like a [ __ ] child like
• 64:00 - 64:30 I would like to just please have a [ __ ] adult conversation that be nice I swear that would be nice I'll try I'll try La just me and you just [ __ ] the boys me and you you've got the steering wheel La where do you want to take us oh my God I don't even know where the [ __ ] I was I you you should have fired your Navigator but go ahead take a second Focus it's okay please please give me five [ __ ] minutes laugh five minutes done what do you think humans are doing
• 64:30 - 65:00 here don't let her get [ __ ] this in her [ __ ] woo woo [ __ ] that harms people in the real world this is what okay so this is what I think I I think that you are like really well it's hard because I don't I don't know how to change your mind from like you thinking that nothing matters I can only tell you the gravity in which like the only thing that matters is what matters to you that's the only thing that matters left no but you are cultivating an OB OB the only thing that matters is what matters to you so you could do anything bad in the world and as long as I like now Britney she's
• 65:00 - 65:30 taking whatever you say she she allows you to change the subject to whatever just keep doing that every time she [ __ ] you love talking over women literally wait stop stop stop Britney and uh lab wanted to talk on their own for 5 minutes without the boys so let them talk Desy look Destiny look what oh my God it's so cute it's his merch it's so cute feels like something bad could happen to someone that like pays for your advice or your time and you would just
• 65:30 - 66:00 be like they could kill themselves and you could just be like yeah but I'm just a human I'm just nothing matters like I'm just here that's a point that's true yeah but it would matter to me matter wait wait so it does matter to you so human's not going to human human's going to listen to Britney I'm confused I know you're confused Habib I know sorry that's what I'm saying I know you're Len to me listen to me everything is a construct we don't even know why we're doing here on this stupid [ __ ] planet I'm trying my best to share the
• 66:00 - 66:30 knowledge I learned over time people have decided to come to me our lessons are really fun you can call them lessons I don't give a [ __ ] what you call them girl whatever makes you happy right same with sex work whatever however you want to view it I don't care just let me do what I want to do if you're so worried about what I'm doing and I know you are then admit it admit that you want to control me and control my life admit you're worried and the road to hell is paved and I think I
• 66:30 - 67:00 understand listen I understand people are adults and we struggle people who come to me usually have therapists it's not therapy people who come to me usually college graduates it's not about money it's usually about a path they've done everything they can do and now they're like what the [ __ ] else I'm the what the [ __ ] else maybe it works maybe it doesn't who [ __ ] cares they try something it doesn't work what does it matter it's like weed or iasa if it works it works if it doesn't who the [ __ ] cares nothing works so if in your framework if nothing works would you rather be someone who like causes what do you mean
• 67:00 - 67:30 nothing works I'm saying if it doesn't work go find a different tool I'm just a tool but in your world I'm trying to enter your brain in your world like nothing matters because we're all going to die no nothing matters but it only matters to you the individual so I Britney care about Destiny cuz Destiny is my friend are you just not capable of seeing that people like exist outside of you like I'm really those are the bubbles yes okay so now we're on the same page you live in one bubble I live in a bubble bubble in my bubble this is how we [ __ ] in your bubble you [ __ ] different girl that's great no judgment
• 67:30 - 68:00 but you're judging the way I [ __ ] right now and it's annoying me no but we do live in like a societ like okay you live on your part of society we only overlap because of the [ __ ] internet do we live in the same [ __ ] town no we could we don't you're getting too aggressive right though I'm sorry sorry girl sorry I'm feeling it I'm feeling it it's my first panel girl the problem the problem the problem is that you're like we live in a society where things like have like a greater voice right so if you're telling people like if you're saying I consent to that
• 68:00 - 68:30 Society not that I consented in the first place and I live in America cuz that's the area I [ __ ] with and I live in a a state I like that's about my vibe that's all I'm asking people to do go I'm not sure if it's because you're high but I'm like having such a [ __ ] hard time like we just don't speak we don't see each other that's no big deal it's just we don't see each other it's no big deal it's Lally how human human it's why there's chaos like a weird like abuse tactic on cuz you're cuz you literally are what if I'm like I'm in pain what
• 68:30 - 69:00 you've done to me is bringing me pain you're like I don't matter take a deep breath how did I cause you pain can I repair it are you analyzing it and blowing it up in your head okay it happens no biggie take a deep breath okay okay people fall in love with their therapist people fall in love with their priests people fall in love with their parents what do you want me to do my best I have boundaries Max no you don't sh yeah I know I doy I'm trying wait hold it laugh I'm trying my best best girly I don't know why you're taking me so serious I don't want to be Mother Teresa girl I don't got time for that I just want to get high and watch anime
• 69:00 - 69:30 and have a couple babies and be a YouTuber can I do that and my my problem is that like you're prescribing so you're you're prescribing I'm just saying this is my thought process I'm a Problem Solver I get bored I like Puzzles you like Puzzles people bring me their puzzles and I solve them like I literally just solve it one guy pays me he paid me to figure out why he's calling me tell me that's not the best job in the world that is the greatest job you're just girl it is I'm telling you should do it you should try try talking to people for a living for me I do it cuz I'm a Problem Solver I think
• 69:30 - 70:00 you should focus I think you should focus on the highly personal nature of you guys are acting like I don't understand and feel sad if people don't get what they need out of my stuff but it's life what I'm doing my best I think you should focus on the highly personal nature of this so say you're I'm not teaching you how to live I'm teaching you I think I don't think BR needs help in this wait I think the problem is that the way you see the world is the way the world is no girly I'm saying we all see the world the way we think it is and this is the way I see it and people who
• 70:00 - 70:30 see it like me it's cool if I could help you figure out our even that even making that prescription like what if there is like a way that the world is you're still saying that like I'm saying you feel the world left left left left my work is the whole point of my work is to say we don't actually know these answers but you act like we do and I'm saying no I'm the one who's truly saying we have no idea but you are saying you do and that's why you feel confident no that's why you feel confident what to do with my life you think you have the answer I'm not telling you what to do with your life you feel comfortable telling me
• 70:30 - 71:00 what to do with mine only because you think you have the answer girly how can I have the answer it's just that the answers are available to us so like when something no no they're not my argument is they're not that we have we know very little about what it is your argument is not rooted in [ __ ] reality and you're prescribing people to be [ __ ] delusional say what you think we know about people is not even the iceberg don't they say that science literally says we oh my girlfriend sorry can I wait can I can I can I serious wait wait can I can I wait wait wait
• 71:00 - 71:30 wait hold on hold on wait wait not this enough shut up this is my stream [ __ ] you I just want because I because I CU these are two of my people now and I don't want them to hate each other okay um as much as they could but you know if they want to people might like an apple just so I know some sexual thing I'm sure okay I think I have I've had an epiphany I've had an epiphany I think I think why no wait wait no no wait before you say before you I'm going to lose it I'm going to lose it please it's not an insult I think the the reason why Max doesn't like the way
• 71:30 - 72:00 that I'm I'm speaking to Britney and the way that Britney doesn't like the way that I'm speaking is because these are two people who both think that their world is the world right wait wait actually okay wait wa follow [ __ ] convers the kind of that but La wait lab you're actually way closer than anybody realizes okay here is the issue okay and this is always the issue when you debate people that are like Libertarians or anarchists or whatever okay the issue you have is that Britney is in is in an unsalable position where she said I want to live
• 72:00 - 72:30 my life the way that I want to live my life I'm not telling you what to do so I don't really want you to tell me what to do I figure things out on my own other people come to me and I'll help them if they want and if they don't then they they're free to leave I'm not trapping anybody I'm not misleading anybody so she's got like that free association thing going on okay your position it's not untenable but you have to do a lot more work to build out this framework of understanding well hold on life doesn't work on just free association okay a guy standing outside of a school in a van with candy trying to learn 9-year-olds
• 72:30 - 73:00 that's not free association right there's something um Insidious going on there even if it doesn't seem to be the case but you have to make a stronger argument for why when she says you're trying to tell me what to do the answer is yes you are but that's not necessarily a bad thing you just have to take the step forward and make the argument for why this is why I think I should be able to tell you what you do I think that there are things that people can do in life that are deceptive even if they're not trying to be I think there are things people can do that are harmful even if they're giving people an opportunity to get out of it people you know you nobody forces you to smoke cigarettes but everybody agrees it' be horrible if you started smoking it's bad for you like you have to like go into
• 73:00 - 73:30 those types of arguments you just have to build a lot to get there because fighting on the free association level is always going to be a losing argument for you because yeah because you you have to build it out way more because otherwise you're just going to say over and over again this is my life I do what I want like you know and then you the own his on you to tell her why it should be different and that's just you have to be a little more I think you have to be a little more Earnest too and be willing to take the you know the more vulnerable position of saying well I will make the C yeah I am going to tell you what you should do right you keep you keep saying like does anybody else like understand like why this is wrong don't you get it Britney
• 73:30 - 74:00 and she's just going to keep saying no is to both of you that you think that also you guys think that you have the prescription of of the world and that's the pro like I don't I'm yeah I do of course I do I tell people how to live the life and what to do of course yeah that's sure yeah that's not how I operate I'm like asking questions and then I'm like okay there are a couple flaws here because there are certain facts that are like there are the way that Britney uses objective is like [ __ ] wrong but there are like things that are happening in the world like there are direct harms that and that's
• 74:00 - 74:30 what I'm trying to say so for you just just to be clear when you say something like there are Harms in the world that word harm that's a normatively loaded word that's a moral term and it is something that you're trying to say we should avoid generally we acknowledge there's a harm you generally want to avoid it so you are saying that like you have an objective understanding the world that you're trying to push on somebody else cuz if you didn't then you're back in Britney's position where Britney's like oh well listen girl like I don't care you don't care who cares it's not a big deal that's her position I'm think I'm just trying to thought provoke rather than um no you're not you think she's doing something that's objectively wrong and you want to push
• 74:30 - 75:00 her on it that's where you're at right which is fine you just have to own that position but if you're just trying to thought provoke that conversation would look a lot different than the vindictive doing maybe but I feel like that's not what I'm doing but also it's been really hard to like get a feel on this conversation because I feel like Max has been like trying to train me and Britney's being extremely evasive so I'm like where the [ __ ] am I even right now I I can't I can't feel I can't this is an unlivable space for me I I cannot
• 75:00 - 75:30 feel haven't decided for yourself what you're doing in the conversation yeah because I didn't come in I'm not yeah I didn't come in the way that Dan Dan was like you're going to kill her and I'm like I don't the whole time you this is a problem that nobody okay but this is a problem that nobody else in this room has everybody else has decided why they're here and what they're going to do and why the position they're going to take or what the position they're not going to take or whatever you are the only person who looking to other people to figure out what you're doing and why you're saying
• 75:30 - 76:00 what you're saying and it makes it so that once you even if you kind of agree on a thing listen I'm a mediator I'm not a I'm not a debator I'm a mediator listen second why you then just interview people then don't F talk [ __ ] about people if you're just a mediator it's fine I'm going to show you the way I'm going to go you're going to be my debate coach laugh and we're going to crush both of them all three of them all right that's what we're going to do we're going to take this up because I can't let you Britney get off the hook with this [ __ ] [ __ ] I can't okay well then why
• 76:00 - 76:30 don't you just argue with her instead of trying to get laugh to do Dan is just here to [ __ ] stir guys just to be clear so you Dan is literally just here to cause trouble so if you're looking him for Life guidance or if you're getting upset by something Dan Dan Dan doesn't care about anybody in this conversation maybe me hopefully and then himself and the cont I'm trying I'm trying to how much value this has to me also like do I need to change her mind or can I just simply really not [ __ ] with Britney no watch and learn okay that's all I'm going to say okay now first of all Dan Dan you're
• 76:30 - 77:00 going interrup me yes I'm going to interrupt you show this Rush of passion this Rush of in in righteous anger and then a second you're challenged on it you're like oh no I'm just [ __ ] stirring I'm just here to [ __ ] around oh my God he's like Britney he's like Britney yeah it's not it's the same thing Britney I knew you hated me for a reason it's cuz I am you more like what lav is doing though like the issue that lav often has that she comes in super super super hot because she like feels some sort of way and then when she starts testing her ideas she's like oh maybe like maybe I don't feel quite the way that I thought I
• 77:00 - 77:30 origin different is doing it because she gets really emotional and then she calms down and then she forgets why she was emotional in the first place which is she she mistakes her emotions for like values and beliefs of what Dan and Britney are doing is different because they are actually strategically pulling away from into an unsalable position miscalculated how much Mr girl hates you qu you you are missing both both of them I'm going to be honest like Britney is not doing what no they have the same style of making a very strong stance and
• 77:30 - 78:00 then once it's attacked they say well some no I this isn't me I didn't say that or I don't believe that I'm not I'm not an authority Source I'm just here to I'm just joking around T I'm just dancing even a drink and Britney starts [ __ ] with her hair dancing around You're the Reason Max you're the reason why Britney is winning this conversation right now yeah you are you are helping the enemy unironically you told me to be on her side literally side and you from day one you sabotaged her from the start your hat you and La fired me and now I'm
• 78:00 - 78:30 working for Britney is there two different puppeteers we have Dan the Puppeteer sing and people against each other because he knows it'll be golden content is puppeteering the other side to try to argue his position through lav and to get lav to also agree and support his position because they both have issues with Britney but it sounds like they have different issues with Britney yes listen there is an opport here to end Britney Simon and I feel like we're all missing that is opportunity we really
• 78:30 - 79:00 need to take okay we're letting it slip through our fingers and this is a mistake okay together we have some of the brightest smes Twitch in one room if anyone can do it it's us okay now maybe I thought about this all wrong no Mr girl you can come back but you have to behave you can't talk over women constantly you got to give them a chance to talk you got to okay you're a little bit of a mansplainer it's okay I do it to myself I can't demon woman sorry go ahead all right oh man
• 79:00 - 79:30 you know Max I want you why don't you go ahead and show us how it's done why don't you kick it off with Britney and let this [ __ ] uppity [ __ ] who's getting people's lives ruined what is what I thought the uppity [ __ ] was can you not derail what we're doing right now Jesus [ __ ] Christ lot of up [ __ ] for Dan yeah there's a lot of women he doesn't like Max in the words of Mortal Kombat from the Sega Genesis which both of us played I'm sure finish her a a do it well lead
• 79:30 - 80:00 us off with the finishment go ahead well your opening statement uh I don't think that you should be trying to destroy Britney Simon but Britney I do think that reconciling the switches between position of authority Guru to I'm just a little girl dancing and joking around I think that is important that you reconcile that that kind of dance and I
• 80:00 - 80:30 understand that your your stance is it's a very personal things so I'm different things to different people or different things in different situations but I think that um I think there's a moral imperative to stay in one role when people are looking to you for advice on how to live their lives yeah for sure you know what I'll give you is this it Destiny I think I just figured out uhoh oh you going to change the subject real quick she's about to respond I'm I'm going to take
• 80:30 - 81:00 accountability for being a point of authority as a thinker I like to think of myself as an idea thinker philosopher and that's the position I take if you want to come to me as that person it's subjective there I fixed it now you can't be mad at me and everyone can go on I'm nobody I'm just diagen living homeless on the streets wow what the [ __ ] is going on I feel like I just got like mind raped ah
• 81:00 - 81:30 speaking of mind rape no we'll get into that later listen do you think that homeless people actually have never I don't know if I've ever had like I honestly I don't know how much this is worth because I think that Britney is genuinely the sort of person who like cannot take accountability and who like is not going to think thoughtfully about this like I don't think she's capable of it because she doesn't even think that she exists okay wait wa wait wait hold on real quick real quick hold on I'm going to to sh shut the [ __ ] up okay hold on wait just real quick La I understand we're all like super emotionally heated right now but just one thing and I hate to do
• 81:30 - 82:00 this and I do this Molina all the time and she hates me for it she should hit me for it okay but just on like on like an on like an age thing so one thing Max said earlier was true actually I don't want to hear it it's so important okay if you're going to attack somebody on their position in here everybody in here has probably had attacks for literally years so if you're going to have like some substantive critique that's something that has to be in the back of your head because I'm sure that like a million people understand you misunderstand I'm doing I'm literally I'm I'm scaling on like dude you guys are making me over go over to [ __ ]
• 82:00 - 82:30 Britney's place I'm like no no you don't have I'm just saying be careful when you say when you when you utter something like Britney's not capable of thinking about this she's probably been challenged on this longer than you've been on Twitch or YouTube like she longer than you've been alive fear I fear that Britney is actually a two and we're a bunch of fives trying to convince a [ __ ] I love that yes yes laugh that's it that's it you figured it out just put what I said in the bag and just juste so you agree the levels are real and you are a five so you agree the levels are real you are five I am the two I agree
• 82:30 - 83:00 no no so they are real sunk the [ __ ] Mr girl remember your side shut up the thing is la is not on her own side is the problem so I gave Britney I think a pretty good thing to a pretty good challenge at least a talk about not super not even super aggressive just like what what do you think about this and then lav now all she has to do in order to counter our group attack you've attached the idea that she's incapable of thinking critically which is
• 83:00 - 83:30 obviously not true and all she has to do now is say something that is like Mo moderately intelligent and she wins which she's going to do you want to kill Britney and I do not want to kill Britney where you're coming from different sides of conversation you are coming into this you are coming into this conversation with something so vastly different than what I'm coming into it for and I don't know like you cannot train me and then you can't make me look dumb because I'm coming into it differently than you like do you not see how you were doing bubbles exactly differently from you bubbles La exactly
• 83:30 - 84:00 he's different from you I'm different from you you're you leave me alone but you can't because your bubble makes you feel bad if you don't come and attack me and you don't control other people I get it girl and Max's bubble tells him he has to save people he has to stop the evil Briny Simon 880,000 subscribers stop her now she's so evil and Powerful somewhere between you that is like you are not taking yourself as seriously as you should and Max is taking himself way too [ __ ] don't get me wrong I'm [ __ ] smart as [ __ ] Bros I'm smart enough to know I'm nobody why does she have to
• 84:00 - 84:30 take herself so seriously like because she think she's committing a serious harm what harm do you think she's doing she misleading people that are probably shouldn't be in these parts of the internet are stumbling onto her developing an unhealthy parasocial relationship with somebody that sold themselves as a guru on life and then is paying her money to get life advice from somebody with no qualifications is like the the problem is that the the level system is going to be applied by people to themselves in the opposite way in the opposite way that it's constructed so it's not going to be
• 84:30 - 85:00 level it's not going to be level I girl in her bedroom funy it's not funny it's [ __ ] danger listen how funny is it's so funny no let me explain the I don't want to hear your joke I want you let you're no fun Max you're no fun it's not it's not level ones who are going to think to themselves oh society would be better off without me it's suicidal people totally Bros I've yeah totally I've had calls with those people and are still alive thank God I've totally I totally help them you're right when you start when you start talking about
• 85:00 - 85:30 suicide or invoking the idea which was my life for literally 30 years and I [ __ ] got out of it understand I understand you're [ __ ] over no you're [ __ ] all over my recovery all over my PR not about you personally you have now you have expanded your responsibility Beyond yourself Britney your responsibil now responsibility has expanded Beyond yourself and when you take the money and take the and you take the fame you also take responsibility for the people who stumble upon according to whose conract who made up that rule whose rule is that Max I think
• 85:30 - 86:00 a lot of people especially Suicide Prevention experts would probably agree that when you talk about suicide it behooves you if you're a good person to take some responsibility for how those messages are going to be received and when you likely have suicidal people we all have suicidal people in our audence we suicidal people in our audiences and the last most thing a suicidal person can hear most thing a suicidal person can hear is that the word I was a suicidal person
• 86:00 - 86:30 I'm trying to talk to people like me I think a message that I don't think is help your method wouldn't help me do you get what I'm saying we're helping different people [ __ ] off go help your people I'll help mine that's all we can all do we can only help the people we can help go be helpful somewhere else go be helpful somewhere else Max you get me are you concerned that basically if people are seeing Britney's messaging and they're suicidal they're actually at an increased likelihood of suicide I think that you are making an abstract statistical concept into a um concrete
• 86:30 - 87:00 concept where it's not going to work exactly no wait you have to own that position you have to say yes that Britney's content might lead more people to Suicide that's kind of the central part of your thesis otherwise there's no harm in which case you should have no position here right it could doesn't have to just be it doesn't have to just be suici what's your I'm talking about suicidal people who are I think a very vulnerable people it could be other non-death harm that comes to them sure a lot of it you know just because someone doesn't kill mostly mostly it's going to be non-death harm that it's like it's like Co people talk about
• 87:00 - 87:30 death Britney's causing them if it's not increased risk of suicide my my problem is that you're going to keep asking for really specific concrete things when I want you to take the defensive position and explain to me why it is good messaging to tell suicidal people that the world would be better off without them is that going well first wait hold on firstly that's not even a central part of her messaging she's probably said that like twice I don't think I've ever heard her say that it doesn't yeah but that is part of message that I'm re hold on wait real quick wait real quick
• 87:30 - 88:00 yeah also real real quick hold on that does matter okay because I give a lot of personal advice on my stream and I've said on my stream a ton kill yourself but these are always in totally sep you should do that okay that's fine that's fine if you think I shouldn't do that but you can't pretend that like somebody playing a video game with somebody me and Dan are like oh [ __ ] kill yourself yeah blah blah blah blah that that is going to be taken the same as like oh yes he gives very serious advice to people and then he also tells them to kill themselves these are separate can you can that you know it's still bad but it is different now if now I will
• 88:00 - 88:30 say right now 100% that I would actually join your side and I would hardcore [ __ ] Britney and not in that way like no shut up like attack her stuff if she was on stream saying things like oh yeah like 2 3 four 5 you should do this like one's like you guys could probably all kill yourself and I think it'd be fine if that was like her M but I don't think she's ever had that type of messing I think she responded one time to a question that you mention wait wait her saying it explicitly is not the charge that's not what I'm saying she's doing I'm saying that while she has constructed the level system for us to conceptualize level ones as worthless
• 88:30 - 89:00 people the problem is that people who feel really worthless and who are likely suicidal because they feel worthless and I believe there is a strong correlation between being suicidal and thinking the world would be better off without you I think it's harmful for some I think it's harmful for somebody to present themselves as a guru and have a large fan base and tell people yes the world would be better off without you I I don't think that's hold on wait real quick yeah real quick hold on expit even if she's not explicit saying that I reject the idea that you can't acknowledge some level of uselessness to
• 89:00 - 89:30 some people that are suffering from some types of mental illness I think that is probably one of the most important things you can acknowledge because you have to understand how people around you are going to function right you have to understand how people around you are going to to perceive you and deal with you if you if you are battling certain types of mental illness the the prerogative is on you to go and get certain types of help because you will burn out you will churn and burn every [ __ ] person in your life if you have depression and you're not getting professional help you are you are probably a burden on everybody around you you will burn those friends out and you will be alone you have to
• 89:30 - 90:00 acknowledge it I don't think it's necess now there might be responsibilities or irons my problem is not that she's acknowledging it you you the way you just said it the way you just presented it anyone who's watching you who is struggling with feelings of suicidality are probably going to see that you are actually carving out a tunnel to recovery for them you're doing it in a harsh way but the way you're presenting it is you're stuck you need to take care of yourself you need to get out there you need to get help if you if you you can't count on other people to do it for you and that is a a fine message I think it's a little Bleak for my taste but I don't think it's nearly
• 90:00 - 90:30 the same as saying you are so useless that you can't even kill yourself do you okay so here's a question then we can both ask wait but that's totally that's a totally different it's telling these level ones that you're walled off sure so here's a question we can we can ask we can Sol this right now we can Sol this right now Britney do you think level ones are stuck at level one forever or can they ever improve they can get to five if they want okay I think you've I wait okay I've said this a thousand [ __ ] times said this times because when I heard her when I heard her mention the level one
• 90:30 - 91:00 thing and I hope this is the right context but when she mentioned the level one thing I thought it was in the context of like there are groups of people that are energy vampires they make everybody around them worse and then I think later on she was like if they all died or whatever like the world objectively be repl there are people that are like this that's just true might be shitty to hear it but there are absolutely people like this but she hasn't paired that with and if you're a one you're wall off forever and you're going to be there so you should kill yourself she never said that my problem my problem with it is not whether it's true or not it's that it's a framing that is likely to harm people who are suicidal but then you
• 91:00 - 91:30 won't even point out a harm do you want to let Britney do any talking for I need to show you a specific I need to show you a specific person who's been driven to suicide by Britney's videos risk of harm is not the same thing as harm and morally equating them is stupid I'm not morally equating them if I were morally equating them I would say Britney's killing people what I'm saying is I think Britney is sending messages to people who are vulnerable to hearing those messages that could increase that could damage them that is risk of harm to risk of harm literally what I'm saying is there is a risk of harm with
• 91:30 - 92:00 Britney's content and I think it's unethical to send those messages to suicidal people huge risks and you keep and kylo you keep trying to [ __ ] Corner me into saying that she killed somebody so then you can say well she didn't kill anybody just like Dr [ __ ] K but in both cases I'm not saying anybody specifically no I'm saying I'm saying people I'm saying people are doing things that are Reckless and taking risks with other people's lives and mental health so they can enrich themselves and I
• 92:00 - 92:30 think it's unethical just as a quick caveat I don't think either me or Kyla or Kyla is saying this then [ __ ] her but I don't think we're looking for you to point out like a specific person we say a specific we just keep saying you can't point to a no no no not a spe a specific harm as in like can you say like oh well a person listening to this thing might avoid therapy and then might like you know a person listening to a person hearing somebody say you're so useless you can't even kill yourself might kill themselves that would be pretty specific okay so it does increase the risk that was the first question I asked you are you concerned because you think it you
• 92:30 - 93:00 asked me for an example of no you asked me for an example I never no I said you just said I want you to tell me a specificed I started by trying to clarify your position by saying are you concerned is the hard you're not trying to clarify my position my position is very simple and it is widely held by mental health professionals around the world that if you tell people who are suicidal that they're useless everybody that's that's not good told you okay here's what here's what I think so I definitely uh Max I do not I have a whole different way and feeling against
• 93:00 - 93:30 Britney I understand this was framed as like sunay nut Smackdown from Dan Dan I think that was great I think you were just trying to you know bump it up now I'm realizing that I don't feel like I need to change Britney but I can do my best to offset what she's doing so like if she's prescribing all these things to her people and I don't agree with them I'm going to do the same like I'm going to be like yeah I don't agree and that's like all I can do really because I don't even think that she's in the place where
• 93:30 - 94:00 she really like she it seems like she's like very much thinks that her reality is her reality but isn't like understanding that there are certain things that like Society we live within and that's like her own thing right girl you think I don't vote or pay taxes you think I'm [ __ ] what's going on you got to be careful like absolute statements like that I think but it's not good yeah what are you girl what are you lit saying I'm about to buy a house girl I'm an older sister I have like literally like important things to do in the real world we're on YouTube right now in the fake world what are you talking about yeah and she was kind of
• 94:00 - 94:30 implying that you don't by the way laugh yeah you didn't pick up on that thank you Dan that was correct my problem is is that like you think that you have I want you guys to listen to this for La listen to this for a second oh my God gosh just let their own control level fours though can commit chosen death which is a conscientious choice to kill yourself to end Your Existence because you acknowledge that this is the world and you can or cannot make that decision I
• 94:30 - 95:00 was going to make that decision I discussed it with friends of mine and I had said look I think like I've made a pretty good argument for making this decision and then my friend who's a level five said to me I see myself in you you're about a decade behind from me okay so and now we're advocating for level fours can commit chosen death yeah see how that you see how that comes across she's not advocating she's literally giving descriptive claims of her world view she's not in all in any way
• 95:00 - 95:30 advocating she's nothing for should go and kill themselves she's just describing her worldview of what she's she's saying it's an option it is an option obviously suicide is an option for anybody I'm saying I'm saying it's bad for people to hear that it's bad to let people know they have choice and agency and Free Will in regards to Suicide Max would probably say yeah I think both you guys specifically but you're fully against what I'm saying if you're luring people if you're luring people to your channel who are
• 95:30 - 96:00 vulnerable and unstable I'm literally just talking about my life and people conation to it do you know what that word means I do why do you think she's luring how is she luring and your hot your like Collins aren't luring or anyone else's Collins aren't luring or aren't luring well I think Dr K is luring it's it's a word used to describe Des cribe the predatory intentions of the person doing the attracting so you're assuming an intention behind it so like in your case in the hotline you're not learning
• 96:00 - 96:30 people because there isn't an intention but in Britney's case she is laring because she has this like mask 8D chess conspiracy to lure people in get their money establish a par social relationship to fix their life it doesn't even it doesn't even have to be that crazy like you look up Britney Simon and it says the levels a way to observe people's introspection level and that's just like that's that's not like how I learned to do whatever like people are going because you have cultivated a following people are going to see that people are going to trust you people are very trusting that's the problem is no I
• 96:30 - 97:00 think your problem is you do not accept that humans are going to human girl I don't know what to tell you literally stupid thing to say no no listen to me right now you guys all think you're so [ __ ] important and it's so boring so you do your best and call it a day do your best and [ __ ] there okay please you think that there's nothing you can do to influence anyone I told you I did the best and you would not present me with something better tell me what I'm not doing who can tell me what I've been doing so bad I'm asking you a question
• 97:00 - 97:30 why the [ __ ] would you turn it back on me because the question of itself doesn't even make sense cuz you're not giving me anything to move off of I don't understand how I'm supposed to answer I'm oh my God I actually I actually have never dealt with anyone this manipulative in a conversation before wait hold on Chill on the MW Chill on Chill on the manipulative words calm down let fight first of all Britney are you are you super I'm baked as [ __ ] girl are we taking advantage of minding my business no no no girl listen to me
• 97:30 - 98:00 I'm making plenty of s translating just fine and you guys keep agreeing sort of but Destiny Destiny and I are also kind of like Britney translators a little bit so like let them don't I said this ISB the I'm just saying just to be aware La she's baked as [ __ ] right now that's okay she can talk she's a big girl I'm an adult I'm 33 years old wa she lives her life in the B Zone okay she can handle it I do but Kyla listen I've already said it it's subjective it's not objective it's an idea I came up with somebody we had
• 98:00 - 98:30 experienced something we came together shared it with the world who [ __ ] cares I'm just a YouTuber bro doesn't matter as a thinker as a thinker as is it illegal to be a philosopher now I'll take that title are philosophers teachers all of a sudden no they're they're homeless men who walk around the city preaching this is this is where I'm like this is so this is where I'm like okay can Britney even change her mind is it it's not about I can't change my mind on something has nothing to do with my reality you're asking me to be Catholic
• 98:30 - 99:00 I can't I'm an atheist back off but you're so sure you're right we've got more Britney clips that Max's fan base has found for him I think that's a projection it's not girlfriend I'm chilling I never told you how to live your life kind of like you're telling me how to tell you not listen shut the [ __ ] up for a second that they're even so useless that they can't kill themselves as a way not to be a burden on people our society they're kind of like the virus of society they cling to existence into breathing our oxygen but will in no
• 99:00 - 99:30 way shape or form no matter how much help they get get better we all know these people they exist in our lives some suffer from mental illness some don't but they come in all shapes sizes ages races backgrounds so remember all of the levels All Humans fall into some category so unsatisfied fools are personally people I okay no matter how much help they get they will never get better so when you said a l one become a level five that doesn't actually Bear out when we look at your video remember the answer I gave you for this already did I already answer this I have like 60
• 99:30 - 100:00 plus podcast for free the levels isn't ritten down it's a living entity it changes over time we do a discussion 10one class my God so you're God so then you're I I just don't understand shut up now she has to just prove she's not God shut the [ __ ] up in your presentation okay now wait now no wait no no now you're saying now you're saying not only not only can I not be held accountable not only can be held accountable as an authority figure now nothing I say means anything because I can just say the system changed even when in the video describing the system
• 100:00 - 100:30 I said that these people are a virus you're the only one taking seriously bro what do you think she needs to do to correct it cuz if she says that she disagrees I would agree that's a really terrible statement Bry like no literally like I'm just a YouTuber it's all documented if I'm private it then they won't see the growth in the levels the levels has changed it's literally subjective who's [ __ ] enough to take it too seriously me uh why video wait so why can't you just make this video why can't you just make videos for yourself as like di like you
• 100:30 - 101:00 make these video so once you so once you make these videos you're like not in control of it anymore because that people can look at these videos so why would you not so if they mean nothing and they only help you why would you not just have these for yourself in your own MacBook and then just be like convinc like told you you didn't hear me let me say it again I'm specifically on YouTube one it's my job but two I'm looking for people to have discussions with I'm looking for people to ideas with I'm looking for people who are open-minded and won't just attack me and call me Satan when they don't even know who I am I'm a person okay I cry like the rest of
• 101:00 - 101:30 you I've mental illnesses like the rest of you you are literally making me out to be a fictional character of your own imagination and it's not okay I'm letting you do it you are you're know who I am you do not the point is nobody sees Britney youing who she is how you say you know me when you don't listen to me you don't see me girl it's okay no Bigg okay shut the Max I'm literally let me talk let me talk don't talk over me anymore I'm proud of you for saying it I've never met you I I don't agree honestly after
• 101:30 - 102:00 this conversation Max I don't agree with you at all and you are pushing me closer to where I'm like okay accept Britney for who she is this is what she does like I at this point SE for who she is at this point it's like I think that you are just it's there's this problem where both of you are just like it is my it is my world is the world and that is a problem okay I [ __ ] have I not said it five times your world is your world my world is my world you're I know what
• 102:00 - 102:30 you're saying and I can't help yes I do it's all just bubbles you keep saying I'm saying I don't know I'm making the claim you guys don't believe me I don't know you don't know you're all pretending to know to know what we're doing here I feel like I'm at the place of no I'm saying it doesn't matter I'm saying why am I here cuz you're taking me seriously why did you pull me from sharting cuz you guys think we're doing something here you're like I could get britne Simon on this panel and we're all going to come here was Dan so Dan should be talking the most I said that there
• 102:30 - 103:00 Dan's a troll he secretly likes me I can tell I can hear it Dan Britney the pro my problem is my problem my problem with you is now is that after you've made these statements that I think we all agree maybe everybody except you are pretty objectively harmful to the mental health of the people hearing I think you're insane I think that statement is so crazy I told you I mentally ill I'm trying to help people like me your system makes me want to kill myself when you told people was a Nazi call leiter I literally drowned in my mind for like 3 days max and then I just tell myself it's just a guy on the internet Bry get out of your BPD thought brain you're
• 103:00 - 103:30 fine no episodes girl 3 years clean and I kept it girl no episodes but for a minute I was like oh this feels like it again it feels like the internet's coming for me my stalker's back again this guy who doesn't even see me is objectifying me on the internet and making a claim about who I am and I'm telling you that's cool bro I get it we're all on a journey but [ __ ] stop it we're all on a journey I get it bro no do you you do you [ __ ] stop most abusers are also victims so while you do well you do make a compelling emotional plea you're objectifying me I'm a real person the problem with what you're
• 103:30 - 104:00 doing is is that any time anybody tries to hold you accountable you take the victim role and you say by trying to hold me accountable for the responsibility of my channel out to vulnerable people I'm not trying to stop you Max the problem why you stop the problem you have the answer I don't want to stop you the problem is that when somebody tries to hold you accountable you you you reframe it so that they are your aggressor and you are their victim you say nothing I say matters you say you say even things you say even things I said in a video don't
• 104:00 - 104:30 matter because my my beliefs change everything change I I can't be held accountable to things I've said I can't be held accountable for videos that are on my channel and I can't be held accountable as authority figure who will hold me accountable that's what I'm asking you who is this person who's holding me accountable who nobody can hold you accountable for this unless YouTube takes your channel down or you or I think what better is AD you said a [ __ ] horrible thing like just be open to talking about it already said she dis she no she
• 104:30 - 105:00 didn't say she no she didn't say she disavowed it I just said it was wrong and it changed I changed my mind about it they're going to grow they could totally be fives bro I know because I had a person who came to me and said they felt like they were one told me their life and I was like [ __ ] I'm wrong cool I'll update nice okay see how come here speak to all the level twos so Stardust uh I'm sorry so what more What specifically I'm just trying to understand Max what more would you want from her like when you're saying like she okay she disagrees with it now and
• 105:00 - 105:30 I'm hearing you don't think that she's taking responsibility for that what is the extra step that you're asking for like here's what I would do if I if I somebody showed me a video of myself that in some [ __ ] deranged fit I recorded saying that level ones the lowest rung of people on society will never get better they're a virus they should kill themselves if I sounded like you know a Nazi cult leader if I saw myself that the first thing I would do is I would take the video down the second thing I would do is I probably upload a live stream of myself watching the video and I would say hey I did
• 105:30 - 106:00 something really harmful I did something that could actually hurt or even kill people and I think it's really important that I take responsibility for this I hear your feedback I thank you for giving me this feedback and let's go through the video and I want to explain how I was wrong and I'll explain my updated views on this so that I can create a safe place you just mad that I turned into a podcast instead no it's in literally all my podcast all my updated podcast there a lot of people coming out saying this conversation and and continuing in this conversation if somebody came to me and
• 106:00 - 106:30 said so there's not so now I'm like completely moved over to Britney's side I'm like if this help like most people in this conversation in shut the [ __ ] up shut up now in this conversation if somebody came to me and said hey you said if somebody said hey you said something that was really harmful potentially to to mentally vulnerable people what do you think is the likelihood that the people that you harmed are actually going to see I'm sorry sorry sorry sorry sorry has nothing to do with what just ask me what I want her to do you ask me what I want her to do what I want her to do when
• 106:30 - 107:00 somebody tries to hold Maximus I haven't done a lot of speaking you know that's true I haven't done a lot of speaking when some tries to Maximus this is breaking my heart you do this I let you finish all the time I need to get some satisfaction when somebody when somebody asks me like in no do not let Kyla get away with that [ __ ] question it's so [ __ ] something else no Dan no no I will not be [ __ ] slimed out again hurry up you got 30 seconds go be fast what I would want her to do beyond what
• 107:00 - 107:30 I just described is when somebody challenges her on it to not s not take the the defense oh I'm just silly Britney it doesn't matter what I say then take the defense of oh everybody do yo you do this I do that then take the defense of oh you're re-traumatizing me and I am mentally ill I'm mentally ill so I can't be held accountable for the mental health of people who watch my channel who are also mentally ill after taking all of those potential exits when confronted with the fact of what she actually [ __ ] said then she says oh oh oh yeah I didn't I I never mind
• 107:30 - 108:00 okay I did disavow that instead the first thing she should say is yes I I have put out messages that are harmful to mentally ill people I have done and said terrible things and I'm willing to take bored I'm willing to take accountability for it right now I absolutely shouldn't have said that you're right and I'm on your side instead she's got these other four people who have all completely [ __ ] deluded themselves into thinking that they are emotionally and psychologically impervious to words on the internet because it's part of our job description that we [ __ ] tell ourselves that when
• 108:00 - 108:30 it's obviously not true all on her side but no no no no no no it's my turn God you guys are [ __ ] obnoxious okay both of you I want something here real quick before I do my announcement Mr girl uh [ __ ] Britney you two are the worst offenders I want both of you when this is done to [ __ ] add up how much each time you guys talk and then you're going to realize holy [ __ ] I'm a [ __ ] selfish [ __ ] I don't let anyone else
• 108:30 - 109:00 talk especially you Britney now that said I'm the GU H that said okay I'm the only man I'm the you guys are all [ __ ] I am excited [ __ ] to invite my good friend who will help steer this conversation in the right direction wait oh no another person oh God my we've already got you Sher here do we need another sh you know what because you're not listening to me I had to bring in my backup did I tell you I was
• 109:00 - 109:30 a top his name is Chad chus Maximus here Academy because I also think I also think that this is becoming extremely unproductive right obviously Britney is not taking any of this seriously she's not taking any of this seriously so how do we just like have a completely unproductive conversation like Britney are you strong enough to handle people just denigrating you like this is starting to I'm kind of
• 109:30 - 110:00 sh Max should I tell them how my panties are right now stop that was super inappropriate and kind of sexual harassment guys guys guys chill chill chill everyone relax everyone relax right listen everyone listen okay listen I've just joined okay I've got to be real with you I'm just here to talk about child warts no we're you're going to derail the derail of the derail is that what we're doing Dan are you serious yes no I want I want I want Max I want you and Britney now I want you guys to understand each other I already
• 110:00 - 110:30 said I don't see Max and I'm okay with it you you gave all these prescriptions Max you gave all these prescriptions that were like you know you you need if I were you I would do this I would do this I need you to do this what happens if she never does it what happens if she never apologizes she'll be another another self-proclaimed mentally ill you who cannot actually help anybody and when she hurts people she will take the role of victim and say you're hurting me by trying to hold me accountable and I
• 110:30 - 111:00 agree with you and that's what's happening probably thousands of them out there all hurting thousands of people yeah I agree with you but I think that Britney's in the place where like she cannot right now I don't think that she's able to introspect enough to change that that might be true and I this is why my bigger problem is with the platform itself and not with Britney that makes sense no I I agree with with you there and I think all that all that we can do is just make our voices heard so we can offset people like agreed yeah me
• 111:00 - 111:30 screaming in this coners I want I want to be clear me screaming in this conversation is because you keep running you and Kyla keep running interference for her and it's [ __ ] infuriating to not be able say a sentence without you [ __ ] interrupting me and running interference by pretending you're attacking her it's so annoying and so it's so it's so stupid in such a complicated slimy way it takes forever to explain it but if you notice that right now I'm yelling at you and I'm not yelling at Britney if I were talking to Britney about this I would just say what
• 111:30 - 112:00 I like when I did talk to Brit when I when I talk to Britney about it you'll notice that my outrage is not really I'm not so incredibly outraged at Britney Britney I just I just think it's wrong and I I just want to say it's wrong my outrage in this conversation is because of the unbelievably irresponsible slimy interference that you run for Britney and obviously for Dr K and is mindblowing that you would come here to [ __ ] run interference for yet another mentally ill [ __ ] narcissist who hurts people and then claims to be a victim When anybody tries to call him out for it was it mindblowing
• 112:00 - 112:30 is why wait why why the Nazi cult leader label why did you call her a Nazi cult leader he's bom he's being he's being hyperbolic and bombastic Britney does any of did you hear any of that and are you like are I we've had enough from you shut the [ __ ] up okay let me respond no guys are [ __ ] it's not about Mr girl in [ __ ] UD can you guys shut the [ __ ] up all right Christ almighty why you [ __ ] why are we rehashing this again you guys hate each other we get it get
• 112:30 - 113:00 over it we get it no it's not about you two you selfish [ __ ] come on I said Nazi cult I said na cult are you hearing anything that yeah gir no offense it's like I've heard it all before I know I was like I what is new what is new what is new what is new don't you guys feel B I said Nazi leer Stardust see see what I'm saying hearing anything I don't care I don't give a [ __ ] laugh I don't [ __ ] care the reason I said Nazi the reason I said Nazi called leader is because thank you
• 113:00 - 113:30 for asking Stardust the reason is that the Nazis believed that society would be better off without some people they believe that they were a virus sucking up oxygen useless people that are being harmful just by existing almost identical to Britney's definition of a level one and while it is a popular opinion that the na just targeted Jews Jews will only up half of the people the Nazis targeted they also killed [ __ ] people they killed gay people they killed anybody who they thought was useless and so is the
• 113:30 - 114:00 concep conal let Max finish wait let Max finish let Max finish as useless useless Vermin that should be put to death in this case by themselves that I find nazies there we go okay so Britney I have a question uh so Mr girl is alleging that you feel this way about level ones is this true no I didn't I'm alleging what she said I'm not alleging that's how she feels I completely accept the possibility that Britney says things did and now she disagrees that she did and now you
• 114:00 - 114:30 disagree with it Britney no I said okay guys I made a video right and I was like this is a really hard idea how do I get into 20 minutes and then being a human I got on a camera and did it and then posted it right and I said in that video cuz at the time I thought ones weren't going to get better I thought they were stuck in a loop but then I met ones who got better and I was like update so then I updated it it's in my content it's all for free literally on YouTube the only thing I CH for is my personal time and the caller gets to decide what to do with it maybe we watch anime maybe we don't do anything maybe we just didn't look at each other because I don't know
• 114:30 - 115:00 people are weird maybe we talk about their life maybe we talk about the levels it doesn't matter it's not up to me I just collect the money cuz my time is press I've got a good question cuz obviously you know if someone wants personal time they charge a lot of money um La have you got any insight into this level system and having to pay money to find out more about it one on one just you thing um I think that what Britney is doing is like is someone paying for friendship and her being there and in the same way where you could okay I'm obviously learning a lot about
• 115:00 - 115:30 codependency right now and I think that oh Lord in the in the same way where you cannot tell a girl to stop dating her abusive boyfriend you cannot [ __ ] like listen people just people do just have to find this [ __ ] out for themselves right and there really is like nothing you can [ __ ] do so if Britney I genuinely think what Britney prescribes is wrong but if people think it's right like we cannot change their minds and
• 115:30 - 116:00 that's where I'm at like I okay while that may be true it's actually a pointless thing to say in a conversation where you're confronting somebody about their harmful beliefs and statements no because you're trying to change her and you can't I'm not I literally am not [ __ ] question you asked me was what are you going to do change the answer is like nothing I I can list my Grievances and then she can decide whether or not to do anything with them it seems like she's doing nothing with them so you can yell at her it does nothing well I'm wondering
• 116:00 - 116:30 Britney Britney I'm wondering I'm wondering Britney what level would you put lav at roughly where would where would lav sit on your level system oh she seems like she's pretty secure in her bubble and doesn't want to be open-minded so maybe a two a two jeez maybe like [Applause] a of us on the panel would you exterminate which ones of us on the panel would you exterminate um well I don't know La very well so not her uh Dan I actually think likes me so I like him so he'll stay like to be clear I actually [ __ ] hate you it's
• 116:30 - 117:00 not a okay I don't want you to think I like I secretly like you and we're going to be friends if I saw you I would cross the street Jes I don't think any of you are both useless to yourselves or your communities as far as I know so you neither none of you could be ones okay and we all recognize that this is [ __ ] [ __ ] right like we all recogniz means nothing to us system is [ __ ] Britney is obviously harming people by telling people that
• 117:00 - 117:30 they should level people clearly right and so everyone watching this what Britney is doingit on the internet right now what Britney is doing is wrong her her life and her brain is not the way that Society exists she is in a delusion and she wait hold on wait wait wait real quick we're using this sounds like something level stop stop stop stop stop stop stop hold on we're using a lot of we're using a lot of really strong words okay here's the reality wait real quick just real quick everybody has ways that they view the world and organized people
• 117:30 - 118:00 okay we write people off in different ways we get close to people in different ways right Britney has a more formalized system which leaves it more vulnerable to attack I agree but to to dismiss somebody's way of viewing the world is silly when we all have individual ways of viewing the world wa a wait a second wait a second what's your way Destin wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait dismissing people is coded into her worldview while I agree that we all unfortunately as like a vice slip into dismissing people I don't think any of
• 118:00 - 118:30 the rest of us are going out saying you should dismiss okay number one you're wrong you're dead wrong it is crucial it is probably one of the most important things for a human to do to be able to dismiss people I know you know that and you just said something because you weren't thinking but yes hold on yeah one of as anything as sub as subhuman useless as as nobody that you would want in your life this is literally one toally agreed toally agreed but I'm talking I thought you me dismiss people like in a in a systemic you are useless
• 118:30 - 119:00 a and a vampire on society type of you can do that if you want if Britney was advocating violence or something you can't do that if you want it's wrong don't just [ __ ] slip that in there it is wrong to do that while we all we all we all might do it by accident Britney is the only person who is calling to do it I are you to exterminate level ones or level zeros no I don't no she hold on it's not it's not about explicitly wait and also hold on that's also not Max's criticism Maxis criticism is not she's calling to exterminate somebody Max's
• 119:00 - 119:30 criticism is that her system is leading people who adopt it to write off people wholesale and view them as worthless to society not that he's calling for extermination so if you're going to and if they're suicidal it'll make them more exactly Max's argument is that people will misunderstand my work and take it in the wrong way and hurt themselves or even I understand this but I radically accept that humans are going to human I try my best with disclaimers I speak very clearly I try my best within my language I'm ner div virgin I'm a little special I'm going to use that as a
• 119:30 - 120:00 little getaway card you know why cuz you're not giving me anything I'm not intelligent so I can't make decisions I'm so intelligent I'm tricking you make a decision I'm a person I went through something I Shar it with the internet I want to find people who are like me and who have a discussion I'm a human you I'm just looking at your P here sorry I'm just patreon here right and the top level is 250 bucks for an hourong call and the first option I can see it's personal chat help with your journey through the levels I know you don't want to give the game away too much but what what would I be in for in one of those calls talking about the levels just
• 120:00 - 120:30 roughly we can do a call right now you want to do one yeah sure go on okay so you've called me what you do with LA do it with LA do it with la la is level do me do me do mey wa CH literally is in is in Black right now let do let do let is in black is in black face we don't want to give know we don't know if Chad is black yet Britney Britney Britney I called I found your video and I'm like in a
• 120:30 - 121:00 really really tough spot I like my my fiance just left me um I have BPD and I feel like I really need like someone who really knows and who's like ascended to give me advice oh okay first of all red flag um hi I'm Britney I'm happy uh to talk with you I'm I'm hearing a little like that's complicated right thanks for telling me who you are but um red flag on ascending I don't know what that means can you give me like in your language what that means so like if you're a level five and I'm like a level
• 121:00 - 121:30 like two then like obviously I want to know I want to know how to get to your level which is like seemingly the highest introspection level like I want to be as introspective as you uh for sure uh why uh because it seems like it's it's I I want to get better I want to feel better oh dude you don't have to be five to get better you don't have to be anything but yourself and follow your joy simple pimple right so like what's really going on so you have borderline do you see a therapist yes perfect okay so that's
• 121:30 - 122:00 handled let's talk about being a whole human being so mental health handled how's your money you financially okay is job work okay yeah great perfect okay what about your Fitness your health your relationship with your body great what okay girl well shoot okay um what about your spiritual health your connection to like the universe or your religion or what do you believe in yeah I guess I don't believe in anything I'm feeling kind of uh like boundless like I'm feeling like a lost I'm feeling it like lost in the dark for sure okay perfect so we have like one we have to
• 122:00 - 122:30 work on right how about your Trope in the anime your Trope in the story do you know who you are like you know how we're all kind of tropes like someone's like the alpha masculine gigachad someone's the bisexual bottom boy like Destiny someone's like the angry like activist like Mr girl right so like what are you like what's your Trope I think I'm a floater I think that I go in and out of things oo okay I like that I like that um how how how long have you been watching my work uh uh two
• 122:30 - 123:00 weeks TR fure out of thing I've never yeah can I just just want to touch in quickly laugh do you feel like you got value for money bear in mind this nor we be $250 you spent 250 bucks value for money yes or no or you I don't know I don't I don't know if she's going to change me yet minutes no sure but just an initial feeling like are you thinking I'm glad I spent 250 bucks are you going to be thinking like okay hold on stop this is wait wait wait no no no no wait stop I'm going to kick people I'll kick people hold on stop this is a [ __ ] stupid thing okay you would answer these
• 123:00 - 123:30 same questions for a [ __ ] $2,000 doctor visit okay you can't you can't ask that question like 2 minutes into questioning getting like a formal Baseline evaluation of a person is going to be essential to literally any appointment you ever take in your entire life like how can you stop right now like you go on to a doctor they take your blood pressure and they take your temperature like do you feel like you're getting your money's worth well no they haven't done anything yet sorry that was just a exceptionally wait a second are you really saying What's happen hour is comparable to someone taking your blood pressure that seems [ __ ] [ __ ] hold on actually I will compare this somebody needs to build I'm enjoying I'm
• 123:30 - 124:00 about to kick you stop okay listen one of the most important things you can do with a meeting for anybody this is actually I'll give you a heuristic that I can use to test if somebody's [ __ ] full of [ __ ] every single time I listen to somebody and I apply the [ __ ] test to every person I mean in my entire life okay when people would come to me or when people go to somebody they ask to build a computer okay the number one most important question you have to ask before you even begin to recommend parts is what are you going to use it for if somebody starts rattling off partless before they even know what the computer's for they have no idea what the [ __ ] they're talking about if somebody goes to somebody else for help or they or they're hurting it somewhere
• 124:00 - 124:30 they're trying to figure it out and the other person doesn't even try to establish a baseline for where that person is at and they just start saying okay well listen up this is what you need to do you got to go out to the bar and party you got to do the blah blah blah wait you don't know that you have to figure out a baseline of where this person's even at so that you know where to meet them so her questioning in terms of figing out like hey how's your health here how do you feel about this how do you do that how do you feel about this that is essential to even begin the conversation if you try to begin the conversation without doing that you're selling snake oil every time just in my op opinion sorry feels pryes just to understand like do you guys have an issue with life coaches I think if someone has like
• 124:30 - 125:00 expertise um no life coaches can just anyone can be a life coach you just have to call yourself a life coach there's not really even a registration do we have an issue cuz they exist by way there's lots of them are we okay with that no I feel like I feel like that no I feel like that's spooky right the potentiality for harm is like really big I'm afraid of the world sometimes too I think it depends but I think that um life coaches should not work with mentally ill people and I think that people who I think people who broadcast
• 125:00 - 125:30 that they themselves are mentally ill should not be life coaches I agree also with that wait hold on wait wait a second hold on I'm Carri comes up and says that they're mentally ill do you continue to treat them and and start becoming their therapist I'm not a therapist but like I reached them like came up to you and I said yeah I have really bad borderline and I don't know what to do and you said I'm I'm not getting f thy what would you say no no no no even if you are getting therapy I don't think she should work with you is my stance wait can I wait can I probe that a little I don't think you actually
• 125:30 - 126:00 believe that there's two parts to this one you said that if somebody has a particular type of mental illness they shouldn't be a life coach and the second was that you shouldn't work with people mental illness so on the first part I'm pretty sure I could be wrong on this but I don't think you're ever considered like cured of borderline so if you if you've ever diagnosed with with borderline I think you kind of have it forever like I don't think that a therapist like oh like you've cured it that's something you manage for so you think those people should be cut off from all forms of like life coaching for everybody else yeah some degree wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait when I say you shouldn't do it I'm not saying it should be illegal no no I'm
• 126:00 - 126:30 not yeah we're just talking moral right now I know it's just your opinion I I think I think if uh if you have borderline I think your therapist should determine whether or not you can handle a life coaching relationship because the thing about borderline is you're really bad with boundaries and anybody who has bad boundaries themselves is really going to [ __ ] you up and hurt you a lot more even if you think you're having a nice time and even if you think they're being nice to youly you can only have relationships with people who are going to be very very careful and highly trained in maintaining relationship boundaries that's true and that's fair but there are there could be a multitude
• 126:30 - 127:00 of mental illnesses that can inhibit your ability to to form like boundaries right so all of the cluster be diagnosis theoretically yeah I don't I don't think a life coach should work with any of those people no no no hold on wait I'm just talking about who could be a life coach it just seem that seems like an extreme sement that if you've ever been diagnosed with any cluster B disorder like your mentalness like you can't or personal I said I said if you are going around casting yourself as mentally ill I don't think you should be a life I think she broadcast herself as like having say C have certain jobs hold on let me counselors have an addiction
• 127:00 - 127:30 history yeah yeah I'm just saying that like addiction history is different from going around labeling yourself as a mentally ill person you la yourself publicly as mentally ill I don't think you should be a life okay somebody can correct me if I heard this incorrectly but I thought I heard Britney earlier or say something like she hadn't had an episode in 3 years or something correct so if it is the case that you're like if was telling me like oh yeah like I have episodes all the time like I'm super borderline like just yesterday but then I think that that there's a strong argument for that but I think that if you're managing some mental illness or some long-term thing I don't think that
• 127:30 - 128:00 prohibits you from offering advice or trying to help other people even in the capacity of a life coach that seems like a pretty extreme stance to take Britney do you consider yourself mentally ill now yeah but I'm in recovery um but I also manage any episodes or issues I think if the answer to that question is yes you should you know Marshall linan also has borderline and she created DBT I don't get see the issue consider themselves always borderline they can go into remission with symptoms but most borderl should I think okay I don't have
• 128:00 - 128:30 a kind view of life coaching as like a profession so if any I'm very eager to disqualify anybody from having it if you're borderline I don't think you should be a life coach I don't think having relationships should be your job do you think that real quick real quick on on a little bit a little bit deeper on that then because I'm curious would you also carry that over to therapists do you think that therapists that are a borderlines in do you think they shouldn't have because their potential for abuse is much higher I would say yes they should not be therapists Maran the founder of DBT should just probably be tossed out she
• 128:30 - 129:00 should never work again I don't what does she do she work she's borderline and she developed the treatment for borderline I had yeah because DBT DBT was literally developed because CBT didn't work on borderline people right did she work with patients directly yes yes and trains practitioners does she work patients oneon-one yeah then it's a question of like yeah I guess I guess I don't think she should work with people oneon-one okay so okay so let's Okay gez Okay so let's get rid of that okay I
• 129:00 - 129:30 understand we disagree that's fine but then on the flip side life coaching should only be available to people that are like super mentally healthy if you have a mental illness but you see a therapist and you're working on it you take medication you whatever you life coaching is just something you should never participate in if the therapist okays it then I think it's fine but I don't think I don't think you should see a life coach if you're mentally ill who's this therapist whatever therapist whatever theist person I'm not a life coach I am a YouTuber okay wait real quick hold on Britney you are a life coach right no no no I'm literally not
• 129:30 - 130:00 you CH hold real we're going to all talk okay go I literally fight like I'm look I'm telling you right now I'm I was at a Crossroads with this like do I want to be like gr Corone no he's a scam artist I don't want to be ve what's his name like I don't know I need these guys I want these [ __ ] like entrepreneurs list make I'm just sharing my life this is the moment this is for my time no this is like the antix work argument you guys think people are bad because you have bad experiences or you see the world is bad yes it is bad I am trying my best I am not a bad person do not
• 130:00 - 130:30 project your insecurities onto me this is the most unethical part of what you do listen to me you're telling me I don't have agency you don't believe in Bottle the autonomy you want someone to control me you think I'm mentally ill I know I'm borderline I get it I've already read all the threads on Reddit I get it it's [ __ ] up and you know it Max and you know it I would like to I would like to respond I think this the moment that I was talking about where I I think is the most unethical part of what you do when people try to in good faith hold you accountable for your AC not good faith you just don't see me you
• 130:30 - 131:00 just see me as a crazy person which is just what everyone else my therapist except my friends that see me does step think I'm insane does Kylie think I'm insane so then I'm under an illusion maybe I am I think Steph is in good faith questioning your um what is about my parents I hold a job I pay taxes what is wrong with me I think don't laugh shut up I know it's very distracting but you got to keep your eye on the [ __ ] ball I think Sten is in good F shut the [ __ ] up shut up Stephen
• 131:00 - 131:30 I think in good faith you're asking questions about I think you're asking questions about life coaching in good faith in response Britney you're saying oh I'm not a life coach and is that moment where you're unwilling to have a conversation where you even answer a question about the morality or ethics of what you do that is you at your most unethical and and the Playbook always comes out that you bring wait can we eject the conversation it she did that wait she I agree she did that but let's just eject the Met conversation just pursue the line of questioning okay just do that
• 131:30 - 132:00 instead of having the metaph framing of like this what you're doing just so here's a question Britney do you think that it's reasonable that somebody could view your services of that of a life coach if I go to buy your patreon I'm looking for life coaching essentially right yeah and so I call it mentorship and I tell them hey what I do here is like I just share my life I chill with you bro I'm not a professional I'm a College Dropout sure but the goal is people are ultimately like trying to buy guidance from you because they feel like no that's the problem that's the misconception it's whatever the caller wants I'm not here to talk about it I've been talking to people for years that watch anime with me that like literally
• 132:00 - 132:30 never talk about L diversion don't care wait wait hold on no no no it's not a diversion it's diversion because because with the the conversation that's why we negotiate we talk about consent I say how's your mental health I send you to the professionals I'm just a person the only thing they can come to me for is a whiteboard I am just a mirror so they tell me their thoughts I problem solve like a puzzle cuz I like Puzzles and I give it back to when somebody yeah so what you're describing right there could be seen as if they need it sure is a form of life coaching right if I come to you and I say like I disagree because life coaching lives in a bubble where
• 132:30 - 133:00 people are like this and they're like selling you uh I'm an expert how can you be an expert in life I'm not an expert in life I only know my life I'm an expert in Britney's life and I'm using Britney's tools to with the world if it helps them and if it doesn't totally get it I'm so sorry I wish you the best most of the time if people get blocked they get refunded right I'm I understand I understand what you're saying what you're saying no no you don't you're not I do I no no you're not saying I understand what you're saying but fine that's fine just like sex work is different everywhere we're talking about SE this is so but you are you're just
• 133:00 - 133:30 you're I agree I'm in a subset of but I'm not as important as you're making me sound no no one is trying to make you sound important okay you just you have a much narrower definition of life coach than I think what a lot of people would have because I think there are a lot of people that would say that like oh like a life coach could be a dude that you know goes with you and walks to the park and helps you feed ducks to find happiness some people might say like oh that's like that's fine if you want to call me a life coach I'm okay with it it's just not how I see myself yeah but you don't sell like you don't sell I think you I think you said people come to you as puzzles and then you s shirs if that's
• 133:30 - 134:00 what they want some people just watch anime with me some people never talk about the level some people just like want to play games with me I don't get it want we're we're we're not talking about the other people we're talking about the people that are coming to for some sort of guidance that it's fair to say that this is like a form of life coaching now you're not selling like a yeah okay sure I like that word better isn't that a better word you can use it as word but but to people like Mr girl you're going to sound evasive when you say that right I agree I'm okay this can we agree to Live and Let Live or no do I have to be hold in to someone else's ethics when I'm just a person for I'm just saying for when you're engaging with Max in his bubble especially is
• 134:00 - 134:30 going to be more helpful if you identify as a life coach and just bite that bullet okay that's fine but you're asking me to divert my reality into his so we can talk correct yeah that's what we have to do when we talk to we have to make our reality kind of yes you could call me a life coach I agree okay okay what's the issue the issue is that when people try to hold you accountable about your ethical the ethics of your behavior you are extremely resistant and evasive and it is takes forever to get you to answer a question or even acknowledge that you're
• 134:30 - 135:00 doing what you're doing and I think that is uh one of the most unethical parts of what you do I know but I don't know what the issue is cuz I'm following my values so what's the problem the problem is that you don't take responsibility for anything okay wait hold on tell her something she doesn't take resp instead of having the metal level conversation tell what she does just point out a particular thing that you don't think should takes responsibility for and then go yeah okay so uh in the conversation with lav you're modeling for us how you would get to know her and then help her
• 135:00 - 135:30 with whatever is wrong with her life MH if you are taking that position of authority I think it's irresponsible for you I mean the meta conversation is the conversation the problem is that that it's irresponsible for there to be no recourse for anybody that you harm in the course of doing this and I think you're probably likely attracting a very vulnerable I Just Disagree the people I'm expensive so you can assume I'm getting college educated or at least well off people I'm usually working with people with money if they don't have money I have a
• 135:30 - 136:00 payment system for that and they're usually people who are very introspective that's usually why they find me I'm not just any channel right I'm a niche that means my customer client base is Niche they're all old they're usually about my age or older I have people all the way into their 80s right I've I would say I would say they either they either are desperate to look for help or need help for some reason or they have a parasocial relationship with you or both I understand that what's the payment system you can split the payment can you or something no there's just a price for people like a original price
• 136:00 - 136:30 that I used to do call that and then well I have a new price now cuz the demand is there okay mhm and I want to have a baby and own a house and get married so I got to make a living I live in America I'm the bread winner so my so M just whatever you find unethical about life coaching in general I I have some point I think the scam part I have a problem with I'm just not offering any I've never lied I don't lie so I don't lie about what I do so again people don't like their call they get a refund and I thank them for their time if anyone ever complains they get a refund and I say thank you so much obviously I
• 136:30 - 137:00 wasn't helpful but like I'm not trying to harm anyone no you're asking me to join other people's realities and decide I have harmed them when I have within my values stuck to my values consent I check their mental health I ask if they're working with professionals I do all of my things Max you're asking me to read M or be something yes there's a path of Ethics according to br's values of recogniz that all of these safs are necessary course necessary I'm AAL Health coaching anybody your life is in danger you're right of course I'm afraid
• 137:00 - 137:30 for my life I keep myself safe creating rules and boundaries you being the victim I know because you're objectifying me as some villain when I'm actually as much of a victim as a possible caller which is why together we have to keep each other safe by not over by not objectifying me no you you so I don't understand Ste Sten Steven y the problem with conversation is that 90% of my energy is going into even being able to to speak in the conversation I can answer your question I have three criticisms or we can move on to something else either
• 137:30 - 138:00 way you guys are very similar um no don't think so way I do not no I no in different places but I think that they are they're similar in the way that they keep those values she's right there's a part of Max and I the same yeah no there's a part not there's a part no no no she sees it see laugh sees a part of me you guys can't see cuz there is a part of me and Max are the same I just don't know which part it is
• 138:00 - 138:30 I think it's probably our cynicism okay if you want to do some like very base level of like oh you're both excited to stream then sure I wonder no no no I no I wonder if I wonder if Max because you've said that I you hate you hated me because you saw those parts of yourself I believe I believe I said that you're my tumor okay do do you feel similar with Britney because I feel like you kind of do similar things and that I don't I don't know I don't know if you're mentally ill because you haven't like broadcasted
• 138:30 - 139:00 here as my diagnosis like Britney has but you do also sort of in your own way give prescription so I'm also wondering if she's saying that she and I have a problem I have a problem with the way that Britney is saying that she's like and these are the rules for introspection obviously Britney you probably realize that there are things that you could do better to avoid that sure but I wonder if you are just picking up on the Paras sociality that you are afraid of that you're going to fall okay hold on no no wait no I don't
• 139:00 - 139:30 want no no hold on I don't want a 20-minute explanation stop okay I'm going to do this in 20 seconds I'm saying I'm happy to answer that later yeah later okay I'll answer it right now okay it's very quick it's very simple okay similar to the vein of Dr K Max doesn't like people coming out with supposed credentials and engaging in relationships that require a large number of external rules to make sure that those relationships are maintained in the most ethical ways possible there's two big parts of being ethical one is that you have a set of rules that you follow and then two is there's some
• 139:30 - 140:00 kind of accountability created to make sure that there's some external party or something keeping you honest in that relationship and similar to Dr K he views that Britney is engaging in relationships one in a somewhat unethical way and then two in a way that helps her avoid accountability because anytime you try to pressure her on her lack of ethicalness she he feels that she's dancing between two positions of you know I I have I'm a level five and a fig out I'm going to help people figure that out and well I'm just a YouTuber who knows nothing and does nothing and whatever I do is like all memes that so that's Max's problem it's not that he sees something in her whatever it's that he feels like she's selling herself as a
• 140:00 - 140:30 credential person even if she's not saying she's credential and that he's engage and she's engaging in relationships that are kind of unethical and don't have any accountability that's the issue do you think is that a fair summary Max yeah okay uh and even if I don't think you're psychologically equipped to provide the safety rails that are necessary for this kind of relation I don't think anybody is really individually I think everybody needs some kind of like supervision or like very hyper specific training but you in particular seemed like you are not equipped to provide these safeguards and
• 140:30 - 141:00 boundaries to protect the people that come to you for help you also I don't understand I can't be a philosopher I don't understand what's happening also you're not a philosopher you're some kind of Coach Guru help I think I'm more of a thinker and a philosopher that's how I identify I'm I'm di I'm just a thinker so here my here are my three problems one you seem like you're psychologically equipped to provide the kind of safeguards and boundaries that people need to stay safe two you you will not be held accountable and seem to not even be able to answer simple questions about what it is that
• 141:00 - 141:30 you do exactly with people I thought I did great with and three and three you're just mad I don't take you seriously Max grow up in three and three your level system espouses a worldview that defines part of society as cancerous are cancer are cancerous I'm so bored by you bro you know for a fact there's a part of the population you don't like I think it is harmful to you're ly you're 100 I think it
• 141:30 - 142:00 is wait let him finish let him finish let him finish let him finish I think it is harmful to the exact population of vulnerable desperate people that your channel attracts to hear that they are useless you don't know my audence oy stop projecting you don't my audience is strong and amazing and thoughtful in a perspective [ __ ] off don't don't tell me who my audience is so the Bri so those in brief those are my three problems with you ethically I feel you bro I hear you thank you for your input I'll put your notes next to my mothers who tells me to stop being
• 142:00 - 142:30 gay again when when confront I don't with criticis with criticism when confronted with criticism every single time there's a reframe where I'm the abusive mother and you are the helpless child I'm the abusive mother and you're the helpless child and I'm shaming you or I'm the evil Reddit thread and you're the person who is struggling with episodes of whatever every single time you you dodge critic not trying to change her but you also want her to like listen to your criticisms and take them seriously how are these two things
• 142:30 - 143:00 compatible wait do you see what I'm do you see what I'm saying now now Max is making a prescription for Britney do you see why I said wait hold on Max has always made a prescription for Brit he's not denying that he would never no I know I know but now Max is also saying that his way his prescription is like the one he is the master of Ethics so this is why I'm like people's names if you say people's names they shut up CU they think that you're talking specifically that LA and Kyla and I'll just to give a monologue I was going to say anyway LA and Kyla guys um
• 143:00 - 143:30 there's you need to stay laser focused on what you're doing in a conversation so there's a difference between me having a prescription me having a prescription that I'm describing in this conversation or the point of the conversation is to give the prescription to Britney and have her accept it it's not the second one the point of I know I know that's what I'm saying to you my goal in the conversation is not to have her accept the prescription I think it's very unlikely she's going to do that my goal is just to genrate her
• 143:30 - 144:00 no no it's not about her my goal is to just say what the prescription is and give her a chance to respond to it whatever her response is but you have and she's rejected it and she says I don't care what you have to say and then you're going on to try to basically argue why she should care about what you have to say well cuz we're all speaking trying to shake her and wake her up no no no no hold on chill we're speaking in front of an audience I think the goal is to just bring in like I don't think I could be wrong but I don't think Max is making videos about Dr K to change Dr K's mind on what he's doing he's never going to do that and I think he knows that the goal is to bring in Awareness
• 144:00 - 144:30 about particular things so that other people know that so that his position is made clear it's probably the issue to stop a bad behavior should be Maxx's number one goal and I'm sure it is no it's not this it's to bring awareness about it if it stops it as a byproduct be earlier this is all we can do yeah but not this specific bad behavior and I also want to I also want to raise awareness about the vulnerable position that we're all in as streamers and as a streamer audience to all the things that we're susceptible to and and gu as I said before my biggest problem was with YouTube for facilitating and monetizing these and
• 144:30 - 145:00 probably patreon for facilitating and monetizing these kinds of relationships without the safeguards that you would need um in in like the real world nice job guys wow are you happy Dan we got there in the end do you feel good about what really oh no Dan it seems like what you have towards Brit do you think it's possible that you could just like not like Britney and that's okay of course he hates Britney no but but I I I think that is it possible that like we could all not like someone and
• 145:00 - 145:30 not like what they're doing and then also like I mean if if you TR at first you try and you do not succeed uh you can keep trying but at some point you need to be like oh this is like not good for me and I would I would tell Max that he that what he's doing with Dr K is very similar you're running interference for Britney and Dr K also I like Britney I even like Dr K I'll be watching his videos he's a funny guy he's a funny likable guy I get it and I get why people Britney I like Britney I like
• 145:30 - 146:00 Britney Simon what the [ __ ] I'm you're out class here lav is really what it is okay you don't even know what realm you're in dude go do you like La do you like La Mr go do I uh yeah I like who do you like more stop you didn't a little bit less certain on that one hon asked this question I asked this question to Destiny earlier it was just a meme it was just a no it's not K Dan are you happy with where we're at what do you do you want to push them in any other direction or are you content now
• 146:00 - 146:30 didn't why don't you you used us as you used me as a pawn in your little game yeah because Dan doesn't get of course yeah you think there's a lot of Britney out there there's even more Dan because of that watch out for do you have do you have Jerry's final thoughts for Britney who's Jerry Jerry Springer wow am I the only one who grew up PO here you don't know who Jerry Springer is was that reference you mean you're Jerry Springer you bring the
• 146:30 - 147:00 people on and you go them on you're like Mar Jerry's final thoughts you like Jerry comes on afterwards and it's like every from the audience let me let me see if I can put some pieces together I guess a little bit here so let me ask some questions to get you guys on the same page here so um L do you feel like Britney has made any changes as a result of conversation today or do you think she's strengthened in her views and and is going to keep doing what
• 147:00 - 147:30 she's doing exactly as she was doing it so I My Hope Is that she does take this and maybe is like okay there are things that I can change um but also I think I think there's only so much you can do and say to get someone to change before you just kind of have to be like Yep this is who they are and it's not my problem anymore um and I think that that is the healthiest choice so you're giving up on Britney you basically think she's a lost cause she's not going to make any
• 147:30 - 148:00 changes and you're done you're done making it your problem well no it's the same reason like if it's the same way if you're dating someone who's dating a very toxic guy it's like they need to learn for themselves and here's another thing that I was going to ask Max like would anyone change your mind like if if a Britney viewer was like I [ __ ] loved it it gave me everything like I loved it so much like would you be like no no nothing would change his mind because that it would be like it would be like asking 20 people who ended up in a relationship when they were 12 and the other person was 18 and at the end of it
• 148:00 - 148:30 all all of them were like oh yeah it actually turned out really good that wouldn't change the the thing because there could still be harm there that nobody could ever measure or see and it's always like prone to highly exploitative Behavior yeah exactly we have to look at the we have to look at the positives and the net positives also because like with DBT you think that someone with with you think that someone with dpd shouldn't have access to people but obviously like there's so much good that's been done with the creator of DBT shut the [ __ ] up Max let me [ __ ] talk you've been monologuing for like three [ __ ] hours I'm asking you a
• 148:30 - 149:00 question I'm trying to answer the question but you're going to ask a new one by the time you're done asking it I want to hear you love okay the problem with your question is that your your for your formula your formulation your formulation is is Britney useless is there any to Britney right and that's the same criticism I have of Britney is that I don't think people are wait wait wait wait in your example in your example you say a toxic boyfriend a useless toxic boyfriend you have to
• 149:00 - 149:30 realize you have to get away from that to I don't believe in useless toxic people which is my whole [ __ ] problem with Britney in the first place so no I don't think Britney is a toxic codependence at its finest you think that you can change her I don't think you or Britney or Adolf Hitler or rud logic are useless toxic people who should be dismissed so don't take don't take me saying that to mean like I don't have ethical problems with Britney I'm just not going to say that as a result of having ethical problems with her that she's worthless and has never helped anybody that's not what I'm saying why
• 149:30 - 150:00 did you say me off to Hitler wait a second why' you say that from I was going from most at least to most racist okay just you but you would say that Britney is like right she was right before Hitler on that list though so she's pretty close she was she was Prett close but I mean there wasn't anything in between Hitler and Britney just to be clear true okay basic sheit the four most racist people I've ever heard of okay I mean that's fine I'll take it Hitler adjon I mean you're right there there's no one in between them so that's
• 150:00 - 150:30 fine how do how do we know that how do we know that in like a five 50 years people are aren't going to be like what Britney Simon told me really what if she makes it into a into an Empire and they're like this really helps people they won't be alive they'll all kill themselves yeah I mean come on get wait hold on wait wait wait wait wait hold on wait wait wait can I wait can I real quick wait real quick hold on stop cuz this is a good question and it requires a good answer okay because a lot of people don't understand why some types of relationships are unethical okay like why is it unethical for a person in
• 150:30 - 151:00 power to proposition somebody that's not in power the reason why is because is it it is impossible for every single person except for the M person making the proposition to realize that there's an unethical Behavior that's occurring there that's the issue if I'm the boss of an employee and I proposition that employee that employee doesn't know if they can say no without they being punishment nobody external to this interaction can know that if the employee says no there's not going to be like a consequence for doing so I'm the only one that knows that meaning that me the person who's trying to get the most
• 151:00 - 151:30 out of the situation is the only one that can ever know if an abuse is occurring so even if you go through 20 of those situations where it could be a parent it could be a parent child it could be a teacher student it could be a employer employee situation even you go through 20 where all of them are positive the issue is that that transaction is inherently unethical because nobody can can actually figure out if there's a bigger like game being played than the person making the proposition and so in Britney's position where even if we this is Max's argument even if we think that every person she
• 151:30 - 152:00 sees does well and even if everything goes fine and some people build an Empire blah blah blah the issue is that there are no ethical third parties that are evaluating her like relationships with other people and she's the only one that can truly know if any sort of exploitative behavior is going on even if all of them turn out okay that situation alone makes it unethical just the situation itself regardless of outcomes that's that that's why we say statutory rape is rape we don't say it's probably rape yeah it's by definition so do you think that ethics are objective in this
• 152:00 - 152:30 yes once you write them down they are codified they're objective in the world ethics are objective it's not a matter of like moral realism or not it's a matter of like how how do we codify our our Collective moral agreements with each other so true but don't you think there are things that we don't even know yet doesn't matter that's not relevant to this conversation that eics I think that is relevant to the conversation it's not because nobody wait hold on real quick this is not a real conversation if somebody would to say she' be able to [ __ ] three-year-olds would you say well maybe because ethics
• 152:30 - 153:00 isn't like objective fact would you ever say that no well no sure but I think in the way that like you know Mr girl has criticism for Dr K and wanting to befriend his clients I like how do we know that that's not like we know that in the past that's been the way that we haven't done things how do we know that that affects them this is not an AR about what what the correct ethics are is whether do you think that we should come up with a code of ethics and then follow it and hold practitioners to it to give them licenses so what code of ethics do you think a life coach should
• 153:00 - 153:30 have do you think that we should do you think that we should have a code of ethics that we hold practitioners to so what code of ethics do you think a life I'm not going to answer your question because I feel like you can't so what is doing what is Britney doing wrong if you can't tell her what she's doing wrong I'm not going to answer your question unless unless you answer mine do you think practitioners should have a code of ethics sure okay that's not wait hold on that's not an answer it's got to be yes or no what kind of practitioner any frog practitioner uh I think when you're I think when you're being paid to be a
• 153:30 - 154:00 friend that's different so like I I wouldn't call Britney a practitioner but I would call like a chiropractor practitioner to be someone's friend who's doing that man okay it sounds like you don't accept the premise that practitioners should have codes of Ethics no I do but I just don't think what I don't think it's relevant because I don't it sounds like you're not it sounds like for the purpose of the conversation for some reason you're not willing to say you have that premise so I don't think no I just told you that I did I told you that I did but Britney is not a professional
• 154:00 - 154:30 that's interesting you mentioned that but that's not the question I'm asking you so you'll notice as you I answered your [ __ ] question yes as you venture as you venture into your Twitch career you just don't want to answer my question actually you're actually moving so you don't answer my question that's hilarious you're going to notice there's two types of people that you talk to answer my [ __ ] you're of my question tell me tell Britney exactly what she's doing wrong in the ethics that she should live under okay there's two types of people that you're going to encounter one type is
• 154:30 - 155:00 you ask them a question and they start trying to think ahead what's the next question going to be and then they lie about the answer to the current question even an outrageous lie like I don't think doctors should have a code of ethics they'll say the dumbest [ __ ] most [ __ ] thing you've ever heard in your entire life because they're afraid of what the next question is going to and then you'll encounter people that are much easier to talk to and they'll just answer the [ __ ] question okay Max I love you you're nonsensical right now please answer the [ __ ] question please what code of ethics do
• 155:00 - 155:30 you think a life coach should live by I don't think life coaches should have a code of ethics written down because if they did then they would just come up with a new name that doesn't have a code of ethics attached to it so life coaches definitionally whatever people want to give it device with no code of ethics okay wait hold on that was not a good question hold on wait what Max would say is that if you wanted to be a life coach I would imagine right there needs to be some way to evaluate
• 155:30 - 156:00 that the relationship is not exploitative that that that would be so whatever system of Ethics you design like that would be so whether that is some sort of third party accountability whether is that is some certification board or whatever there would have to be somebody that has a way of checking similar to it would probably look a lot similar to the code of ethics of a therapist except maybe they wouldn't have as stringent a qualification to like report suicidal people or deal with people with mental illness or refer people to psychiatr or something it probably a little less I think that would be I think that would be ideal but there's always going to be some class of people who just says yeah they're going to say I'm not a life coach I'm just a
• 156:00 - 156:30 human coach or I'm just a human helper something I understand but like if there was like a code of eth for anybody in that class you'd want it to be probably similar to a therapist but a little bit less stringent because they shouldn't be prescribing or like helping mentally ill people basically right yeah so when Unwritten code of ethics just to clarify well so I think you're asking me two questions at the same time I'm clarifying your statement I thought I misheard potentially he said Unwritten because he's saying that if it was written they would just try to get around it but he didn't mean that he was just saying that if you write it down they're going to call themselves like human helpers next and then it wouldn't it would be pointless but Max in so far
• 156:30 - 157:00 as if we could perfectly license life coaches you would want them yes okay yes I the perfect yes the perfect thing would be if there was a person who could give you life advice or help you who's not a therapist but who is still overseen by some governing body and is um adhering to a code of ethics but the reality is if you do that then yeah you're going to come up with human helpers or whatever some other class of people that says well we're not we you can't you can't stop people from charging each other money to give advice
• 157:00 - 157:30 essentially so that's going to happen no matter what so the so then the real question lav is is given that Britney I think intentionally is staying in a lane where there is no code of ethics and that's just necessarily going to exist but there's no mandatory code of ethics for life coaches no that's hold on wait stop no no that's a bad path that's the whole point the question was should there be some code of ethics for life coaches because Mr girl doesn't like them because he thinks that those relationships identical to therapist relationships or they have an identical
• 157:30 - 158:00 problem and that they're prone to abuse okay so you want life coaches to become professionals should they have mandatory training if you make them the reality is if you make them professionals then another thing will spring up where people say I'm not beholden to these rules I'm a human Helper and human helpers are not beholding any and if you say well they should have a rule that's set and they'll say well I'm an advice guy an advice so for no matter what nobody without a degree so my God you you need to be able to wrap your mind around this
• 158:00 - 158:30 cuz it's not that [ __ ] complicated no matter what no M you need to understand the difference between a descriptive a descriptive statement and a prescriptive statement I'm making a prescriptive statement I'm saying I really wish since that the guidelines are not there either for YouTubers or streamers or content creators or for life coaches I wish people would hold themselves or each other accountable in a moral way given that the the the safety guards are not there descriptively they can't be there
• 158:30 - 159:00 with ter in terms of people giving each other advice for money because that's always going to happen and it would be a totalitarian [ __ ] hole country to live in if the government actually found a way to stop you from giving advice to people for money did you guys know that when I was 16 oh God uh my parents were like really upset that I was like smoking pot and like bad and they actually sent me to a therapeutic boarding school called The Academy at Swift River where I lived outside for three months and then after that I had
• 159:00 - 159:30 intense therapy for 18 months non-stop even though I didn't need to have it so I'm like a [ __ ] wizard with this [ __ ] also I have a psych D doctor wife when it comes to psychology and I can tell you guys that you're all [ __ ] weak sauce right now as the most educated person when it comes to this stuff you need to move on we need to try and move into something that's a little bit better and I think chud was just messaging me that he actually has some topics that he wants to bring up uh specifically hold on chill okay wait before we do the ultra I feel I let them
• 159:30 - 160:00 resolve their hold on we're already using and abusing it this is literally I'm going to kick people stop okay if you want to churn and burn these guys for Content which I'm totally okay with by the way I love using people for money okay but if you want to do it at the very least give them some space to genuinely resolve conversations and differences rather than just moving to the next topic okay Jesus Christ okay so to understand you you want people streamers anyone who gives
• 160:00 - 160:30 advice to hold themselves accountable to their standards the issue is that these Unwritten standards and I get that you want them to be critiqued by other people in the space and therefore respond to it to some degree that would be your ideal I know you're not saying that that has to happen but this is what you're describing would be the best situation the problem with all of these Unwritten code and ethics and stuff like that is that no one's going to agree that is why people unironically call you like a psychopath and a murderer and like a pedophile and all sorts of things
• 160:30 - 161:00 and then call other streamers other things this like Unwritten code of ethics that you're like kind of suggesting I agree sounds really great but like we can't just codify everything okay hold on I just want you wait there's like wait there's like 15 seconds cuz you I think aidite you agree with Mr 100% of this okay listen to me okay let's say that I started selling life advice things okay let's say that I Jesus Jesus [ __ ] Christ okay let's say that I start selling life coaching lessons Okay I open a patreon and I do it for $300 each okay and let's say that
• 161:00 - 161:30 every single girl client that messages me I start a sexual relationship with them because I'm a big streamer and they're paying me for it and their mind [ __ ] do you think that Arrangement should ever be possible definitely definitely not but how do we actually manage that how do you manage it for anything if there is an exchange of money for some sort of like personal consultation whatever should that not call under like some kind of ethical consideration for that type of arrangement we've got organizations in the United States that that uh that regulate lotteries I can't hold Raffles for only subscribers
• 161:30 - 162:00 because it's a form of Lottery um we've got things for therapists and doctors and and we you know there's all of HIPPA there's patient uh confidentiality or there's a client confidentiality for lawyers there's tons of different like formalized like codes of like if you do this then you have this type of relationship so to be as charitable as possible to what Mr would want if you are offering money to somebody in a one-onone setting in exchange for some kind of advice so that not call into it some sort of ethical consideration or should I be able to churn and burn fan girls that want to pay me $300 for one-on-one coaching sessions because I
• 162:00 - 162:30 think it's only one or the other I think you have to choose one or the other yes obiously obviously ethics have to come into the issue that I'm having is Britney's not even giving people advice so I'm not really sure how this maps on but that's part of what she can do is give people advice right like putting together the puzzles what she said right I I do have a question what's the difference between This and like advice and confessions with Mr girl because those are one done publicly which is way different two there's no exchange of money there and then three he's open about the type of interaction that's
• 162:30 - 163:00 happening there he doesn't sell himself as a therapist or a psychologist or whatever it now it could still be prone to abuse it could be but I would argue that the safeguards the rails on that are the fact that that whole interaction is public if he was doing something I don't know if he does do this um but if he was doing something where people were sending him private messages afterwards and then he was maintaining that relationship onwards that would yeah and yeah I'm sure he would agree with that that that would be a different thing also they're also Anonymous they're also Anonymous I also only talk to them once each for 10 to 20 minutes
• 163:00 - 163:30 well I agree I there are ethical questions about me doing that absolutely and I think I should be held accountable by my peers and you should you should Grill me about it because it it could potentially be very [ __ ] up but I do think those are pretty significant differences so basically we're wanting to establish some sort of code of ethics basically for all nonprofessionals who give any level of advice in any public no no that is a no see you always create this [ __ ] extremely elaborate hyp specific straw man that's not what I'm saying I'm saying I have three ethical
• 163:30 - 164:00 problems with what Britney does and I think she should fix them and then if you say well do you think there should be a code of ethics and I say well I guess it would be good if there was one and then you're like what so okay so now so now that's your position Max and it's like no that's not that's not what I came in here to say that's not my position I like I I kind of think that I think that we have an unprecedent unprecedented amount of power and influence um and direct onetoone private access with people who worship us that is that's never really happened before and I think that the platforms need to
• 164:00 - 164:30 figure out how to stop us from abusing these people okay I don't know what that looks like I don't know what that looks like and I don't know what the code of ethics should be but I I know right now all we have is each other yeah and something real quick on this because I like I said I think we all agree with this okay um I don't want to pull out the philosophy debate bro [ __ ] but what it feels a little bit is like we're pushing on this the concept of a Nirvana fallacy where I think we all agree that these are probably potentially abusive relationships that maybe we could create safeguards for but I don't think anybody
• 164:30 - 165:00 here right now is going to be able to give you an ironclad list of like these are the seven rules found at the end of the death note that will be the hardcore restriction yeah I don't think anybody can do that but it just seems like should probably be some kind of guidance on it would be Max's argument for sure I agree the issue that I have with Max specifically is that he comes in decides what the ethics are objectively hounds them them forever Will Never Move off of what they are and he's already decided before he came in what they should be and that these are right and I'm saying that seems a little bit silly to hold Britney to those specific things because you're also not moving on anything okay
• 165:00 - 165:30 here's so to put it to you is there a code of ethics anywhere objectively that says I shouldn't do what you just said I'm doing no obviously why are you telling me not then why are you calling me out for it if there's no code it's not been established objectively by any group of people why can you call me out for doing that it seems like the answer is you just [ __ ] think it you came in you saw me doing this you thought it was wrong and so when you see somebody doing something wrong you speak up and say something about it just because you
• 165:30 - 166:00 think it's wrong yes I understand that great that's the exact same thing I'm doing I think what Britney is doing is wrong and then when qu when people start running interference for her and everybody on the panel seems to have a different [ __ ] reason why they want to run interference for her I I am defending myself very or or I guess putting forth my my claim very aggressively but that's not to say it's it's an objective fact this is these are the ethical qualms I have I keep saying I have three ethical problems with what you're doing and I'm trying to lay them
• 166:00 - 166:30 out as succinctly and uh clearly as I possibly can and so what I'm doing I'm hearing those things and I was clarifying some of them and now I'm posing questions with the three things that you've outlined and saying I don't know if those are super valid no no you're not you're not you're you're posing straw man questions and you're trying to trap me into saying there is a code of conduct or code of ethics you're going to say well where is it you're say you're going to say you're going to say you're going to say okay you're saying there should be one or blah blah blah blah blah and
• 166:30 - 167:00 but all I'm saying is I think that what Britney is doing is [ __ ] up and she shouldn't do it it's much easier to say I see somebody doing something that they should when they ask clarifying questions literally half the time they're not really clarifying questions I think I think they're [ __ ] question I don't think they're real questions I get that you don't like them but not straw man questions I'm literally asking you I say Max is this what you're saying they are fake lie questions they're not honest they are I would be really careful Max because in a way you're kind of doing earlier you
• 167:00 - 167:30 actually correctly pointed out that like um I'll be arguing conservative like should we care about fellow human beings and they'll be like they're trying not to answer because obviously the answer is yes but they don't want to answer the question because they know that I'm probably leading it to another question so they'll fight me on the first question it's kind of what you're doing with Kyla a little bit did I get that name right um did thank you okay what question do you think I should answer that I'm not answering I don't I think this whole line of question is dumb but if you're going to not engage I think you have to
• 167:30 - 168:00 completely not engage but when you say like I know you're going with this question you're kind of falling into the same trap earlier that you accused other people and I understand why you're saying yeah you're literally just saying I'm a demon woman I'm trying to manipulate you so I'm trying to get away from these questions and avoid well no no hold on he's not calling you a demon woman he's saying you're walking him into a Nirvana fallacy okay sure you're walking him into a Nana fallacy where he can't give an exact answer so you're going to feel like that Minds his whole point when when just like you don't have you're not criticizing him from this like Rock Solid place of Ethics like you know the APA manual page 37 says right you're not doing it you're doing you have a sense of justice you feels like it's right and he feels the same way
• 168:00 - 168:30 about it right I think I think there's a difference between saying your question is [ __ ] stupid and a lie and I'm going to answer the question dishonestly sure you're I'm not answering I'm not I'm not answering the question I'm saying that your question is a dishonest lie so I don't think that is quite the same thing that I was saying earlier okay okay all right okay okay now before we continue on with this I want to give everybody an opportunity if cuz I know Britney you got pulled in here while you're high love your chilling if anybody wants to exit at any time you guys are good to do so without anybody getting mad or upset just putting that
• 168:30 - 169:00 out there in the air okay and then am I needed here what am I needed here uh no you can take if you want unless somebody really wants to interrogate you for a couple more minutes or whatever no I mean I don't mind being here but I just I want to make sure I'm being useful otherwise I'll leave oh you can do whatever the [ __ ] you want the next topic I think is going to be very relevant to you say before before you leave Britney if you do end up leaving I do want to say that uh I did come in a little hot and I'm sorry for that um I do not think all the things that Max thinks obviously there are some parts
• 169:00 - 169:30 where I definitely disagree with you once I when I saw your videos I was like okay I would prescribe this for myself overall though it sounds like you know you are smart enough to know what you're doing and to like uh which of the three things that thank you so much Max for your input which of my three criticisms do you disagree seems like are smart enough to ruction I'm just super super curious super curious laugh super curious disagree with you know Dr lindsy do her video on harm reduction one of my favorites I highly recommend it but thank you I really appreciate it great
• 169:30 - 170:00 that's great and I think if you're helping people then you're [ __ ] helping people and we can all hope to help people in this life that's what we're here for ditto girly I feel the same cool