CRTV - PRESS HOUR -(BAMENDA/BABADJOU ROAD - PARLIAMENT, What HAS BICAMERAL ADDED ?)- 04th April 2021

Summary

In this episode of CRTV's "Press Hour," the panel delves into issues surrounding the Babaji-Bamenda road, which has seen significant delays, and discusses the effects of Cameroon’s bicameral parliament since its inception. Despite being a critical route, the road's construction has been hampered by both logistical challenges and political unrest. In examining the bicameral system, it becomes apparent that while it was intended to enhance legislative processes, its impact appears limited due to overlapping functions between the two houses and lack of independent power in the Senate. Additionally, the show pays homage to Christian Cardinal Tumi, reflecting on his profound contributions and legacy.

Highlights

• Bicameral system intended to enhance legislative efficiency presents overlapping roles, limiting its effectiveness. 📊
• Critical discussions on Babaji-Bamenda road delays highlight issues of political will and conflict-related challenges. 🛤️
• The legacy of Christian Cardinal Tumi is honored, marking his contributions to both religion and socio-political discourse. 🕊️
• Debate on the necessity and efficiency of the bicameral system as it stands in Cameroon. 🎙️
• Pressures of decentralization and local governance dynamics marked as pivotal legislative discussion points. 🌍

Key Takeaways

• Cameroon's bicameral system was meant to decentralize power but struggles with inefficiency. 🏛️
• The Babaji-Bamenda road remains a symbol of unfulfilled infrastructure promises amidst political challenges. 🚧
• Senator Henry Kamende and Honorable Peter Ningemie emphasize differing political perspectives on road development. 🤔
• Christian Cardinal Tumi remembered for his unwavering leadership and integrity. 🙏
• Parliamentary roles and responsibilities require clearer definition and empowerment. 📜

Overview

In this heated edition of CRTV’s 'Press Hour', experts and politicians gather to dissect the lingering issues of the Babaji-Bamenda road and the effectiveness of Cameroon’s bicameral parliament. The episode opens with a discussion on the critical infrastructure delays, frustrating many due to the road's importance and symbolic indication of national progress. Much of the debate centers around political will and the northwestern unrest impacting project timelines.

Attention then turns towards the bicameral parliamentary system introduced to improve legislative efficiency by decentralizing power. However, panelists reveal that its effectiveness is diluted due to overlapping purposes and limited executive independence of the Senate, essentially questioning its current structure and contributions. Suggestions for clearer roles and genuine empowerment of both legislative houses emerge throughout the discussion.

The program also takes a moment to honor Christian Cardinal Tumi, whose passing is recognized with reflections on his impactful life. Known for his integrity and commitment to truth, his contributions to the nation, both religiously and socially, are highlighted. Thus, this episode not only reflects on infrastructural and political challenges but also remembers influential figures shaping Cameroon.

Chapters

• 00:00 - 00:30: Introduction The chapter titled 'Introduction' begins with a festive greeting wishing a happy Easter to viewers both in Cameroon and globally. The setting is an episode of 'Press R.'
• 00:30 - 35:00: Discussion on Bamenda-Babadjou Road The chapter discusses the ongoing issues with the Bamenda-Babadjou road, which has been problematic for four to five years. This road is crucial as it connects the Northwest to the West, Center, Littoral, and other regions. The chapter emphasizes the importance of the road and its persistent problems, along with a mention of upcoming topics on parliament.
• 35:00 - 43:00: Press Review Segment The chapter discusses the evolution of the Cameroonian parliament since it became bicameral in 2013. It explores the impacts and changes brought about by this new structure. Additionally, it reflects on the passing of a significant religious leader, Christian Cardinal Tumi, highlighting the state of mourning and remembrance for his contributions.
• 43:00 - 64:00: Discussion on Christian Cardinal Tumi's Passing The program features a discussion on the passing of Christian Cardinal Tumi with two political guests: Senator Henry Commander, an SDF senator from the Northwest region, and Honorable Peter Jermaine Bang, a CPDM member of parliament from the Dyan division in the Southwest region. Both are welcomed to the program.
• 64:00 - 111:00: Discussion on Bamenda-Babadjou Road (Continued) The chapter consists of an ongoing discussion regarding the Bamenda-Babadjou road project. The participants in the discussion include two journalists named Emmanuel, one from the Wall Street Journal and Dow Jones based in the USA, and another Emmanuel who is also a journalist.
• 111:00 - 170:00: Discussion on Cameroon Parliament Bicameral System The chapter titled "Discussion on Cameroon Parliament Bicameral System" begins with an acknowledgment and appreciation segment where the hosts thank their guests for appearing on the program. The show's production team is credited for the invitation. The program proceeds with the usual weekend review segment, labeled as 'Press Review', which is managed by a female presenter, Manuela, who is responsible for reviewing the week's newspaper headlines. Though the transcript ends abruptly, it hints at a discussion on the spectacular victory of an individual named Francis Ngannou in a prestigious context, indicating a shift towards possibly political or social commentary.
• 170:00 - 180:00: Conclusion Francis Ngannou becomes the first African to win the UFC World Heavyweight Championship.

CRTV - PRESS HOUR -(BAMENDA/BABADJOU ROAD - PARLIAMENT, What HAS BICAMERAL ADDED ?)- 04th April 2021 Transcription

• 00:00 - 00:30 [Music] happy easter to all of you watching us in cameroon and around the world welcome to press r on today's edition of
• 00:30 - 01:00 the program we're going to look at the babaji bamenda road and see what the problem is for four years on four to five years on uh there are still problems on that road and it is a very important road that leads the north west to the west and of course to the center to the littoral and other regions very important road she has problems we are also going to look at our parliament our parliament
• 01:00 - 01:30 is a bicameral parliament now since 2013. we want to see what the nature that bi-camera nature has added to the cameroonian parliament of course we are mourning the kind of celebration in mourning we have lost one of us a world figure religious leader christian cardinal to me we're going to look at
• 01:30 - 02:00 with us here in the studio senator henry commander he is an sdf senator from the northwest region welcome to the program senator thank you very much we are honored by your presence thank you we have honorable peter and jermaine bang he is cpdm member of parliament from dyan division in the southwest region welcome to the program thank you very much it's my pleasure
• 02:00 - 02:30 yeah our pleasure is shared honorable next to you we have emmanuel tenno two he is a reporter for the wall street journal and also for dow jones or you know from the news based in the united states of america welcome to the program thank you yes and please thank you very much another emmanuel to the extreme right is emmanuel who is a journalist welcome to the program
• 02:30 - 03:00 thank you client thank you for inviting me on press r yes the whole production team takes credit for inviting all of you to our program today and we're going to set a rolling as usual with our weekend review in our slot press review by our lady on that beat emmanuel avenue manuela what did the paper say this week [Music] the spectacular victory of francis and gnu of the prestigious
• 03:00 - 03:30 ufc world heavyweight championship becomes that one new story and practically every newspaper this week history is made on the herald tribune as francis and ghani becomes first ever african to win the heavyweight title the voice tells us how it happens writing cameroon's predator shutters opponent in minutes to the guardian post cameroonian ghana knocks out american wins multimillion prize the chronicle times looks at his early beginnings
• 03:30 - 04:00 from a san diego to war heavyweight champion it writes while the post celebrates francis and garnier's first heavyweight win in historic performance a performance which saw garnier getting stymou6 pound of flesh on the horizon the advocate simply presents him as king francis ngani from sun to summit ganou is undisputed ufc champion of the world on the star cameroon insider attests cameroon sunganu
• 04:00 - 04:30 is world champion before the media encloses this chapter would be as congratulations to francis nganu the coronavirus pandemic keeps making victims in cameroon the world health organization warns that kovi 19 cases may disrupt cameroon's health care system on the guardian post as the public health minister calls on individual efforts to combat rising kovy 19 cases on the horizon a call heeded by wabani council as it intensifies campaign against kovite 19
• 04:30 - 05:00 on the post newspaper especially as the limbi hospital director says limber covey 19 statistics are devastating on the same paper then a atanganji threatens pastors with a rest shot down of churches before ignoring kobe 19 prevention measures on the herald tribune just when government found wanting in the management of imf kov19 loan on the guardian post as the march session of parliament unfolded cameroon insider reports on the national assembly
• 05:00 - 05:30 that okays all views as the senate takes over then prime minister is stunned by mp from home constituency on alleged corruption in book commission on the horizon to the media and mp's take dion gutei mean rex to task over control of government action then pm addresses mp's concerns on textbooks forest on cameron insider before felix bayou tells mps why min rex t is mute when attacked from abroad the french mp confirms killing of
• 05:30 - 06:00 civilians in bunge by the army on the horizon then mayor de bonk separatist manipulation claim of massacre in bunge on the chronicle times villagers refute allegations of massacre in bunge on cameroon insider but army spokesperson calls it a hoax on the horizon at the time an overzealous anglophone duo orders arrest of civilians in kambe as suspected amber fighters set school on fire on the guardian post an improvised
• 06:00 - 06:30 explosive device then killed six years old in kumba on the post when another amber commander amo khao foie bakundu surrenders on the same paper devastating fire then raises dilapidated houses in great so poboya on the advocate and renders dozens homeless on the post central african republic president hails beer savvy on municipal updates as beyond tuadera for strong ties on cameroon insider happening when hard
• 06:30 - 07:00 times await absentee lazy civil servants on the sun then conak sharpens tools to investigate into the land grabbing saga in boya as the bilingualism commission launches war against hate speech and xenophobia secondary education minister goes on an offensive against immorality in disciplines in schools while shifting resumption date to april 12th let's now end our press review with the story on the guardian post where a man was attacked
• 07:00 - 07:30 in broad daylight in front of a supermarket in dwala by bandits and vamoosed with 500 million safer friends the unidentified man was said to have been driving with the money in his car when he was attacked by the bandits after resisting to hand over the suitcase for some time the gunman reportedly shot him on the leg before taking off with the five million safer friends he was later taken to the hospital for treatment until i come your way again this is your
• 07:30 - 08:00 hour with the press thank you emmanuella as usual we look forward to seeing you next week next sunday same time on press our god willing you listen to emmanuella in the introduction of this program we talked about the passing on to glory of christian his eminence emeritus christian cardinal to me who passed on this week easter week is that weekend if i should be more
• 08:00 - 08:30 precise uh the time jesus died he decides to die and you know it is said across the world that his integrity as a religious leader is unquestionable honorable peter yes sir thank you very much it is with mixed feeling actually today is easter the day we celebrate the restoration of our lord and savior jesus christ a day of hope for all
• 08:30 - 09:00 christians and that is why to me uh the departure of his eminence to me it's like um i'm not really sad over it as i was supposed to be because it's a man of god it's a man i know it's in the bosom of the lord he's a great son of cameron a great son of africa a great son of the cali church a great son of the world and god decided to take him at this time
• 09:00 - 09:30 to make us to understand who he was and so i would say adieu come may you raise in the bosom of the lord senator if one way to go by reports that i got from crtv dweller because he died in dwala there's somebody who was close to him in the report who said he told them that no they should be praying for his departure not praying for his resistance because his body was already weak he should be somebody who was as he said
• 09:30 - 10:00 in the christian um belief within the christian community that those who believe do not fear that they are happy when they die because they know where they are going to he must have been happy you have said it all mr darquilian i think he's passing on has just fulfilled god's mission for him we all as we live we know that there is nothing else sure as the father one day we are going to pass on you can be sure you can you can doubt
• 10:00 - 10:30 whether you'll be rich you can deal with you may achieve something with your goal that you've set for yourself we cannot doubt the father one day you will fix it out of you live depart from this world and i think that is what the bible says god created life and death and so that it was good and maybe so i think i'm happy i'm very happy for the passing of his absence is going to let us miss him because we're going to miss his dicey handling of issues political and religious and otherwise he
• 10:30 - 11:00 was an all-around person he should consent for the site in which he lived in fact there have been one moment we have been asking whether he should he's a politician or a collegiate man but i don't see how you cannot say the clergy people or the clergymen operating oblivion they operate in society and human beings are political beings i think he's passing on we need just to pray for the reports of his people for his response of his soul yes even the video footage showing his uh his remains i don't see any offense with that he's just it shows the fact that we are all we are
• 11:00 - 11:30 empty we are nothing and we are made of soil and onto those we shall return well my authority has to uh public authority has to protect that because it's actually so private and those who did that um have already been punished or they have been punished for that uh i think we have uh pictures of the cardinal the lead carina as we as we comment i would like us to you know do that as we see the pictures and manual emmanuel
• 11:30 - 12:00 um he talked of somebody who uh was not only a religious he had to intervene into political social affairs because he concerns human beings thank you kilian i think his eminence christian cardinal to me the few moments i know him i know he is a man who has always been on the truth no matter how bitter the truth may be but he sees it and actually
• 12:00 - 12:30 we have seen him like a pope camaro never had christian cardinal to me at one moment he was to be picked up amongst other karinas to become poop that's what i would say is a pope he has shortlisted is a pope that camaro never had and his way of doing things actually made such that cameroonians had even at one moment make a call even some people in the
• 12:30 - 13:00 government were even for the fact that he could stand in in one-time presidentials in this country so he could become president of the republic but when he came out they say even though as a religious leader he still returns i you know the citizenship as a cameronian to stand in for those elections but he refused to stand in for the election and chose to follow the path he from our analysis was born and has died following the religious part
• 13:00 - 13:30 emmanuel tenno to my job yeah um you know i had i've had chance to be with the cabinet quite often well not too regularly when the cabinet was made cardinal from being an ashby shop i was in bishop rogan college as a student in the high school preparing i was supposed to go to the major center i didn't go finally today i'm a journalist or and we had a chance where the casino came to our school i had drawn got
• 13:30 - 14:00 natural manatees so i had drawn the a newly built chap with bishop roger and the cabinet came there to bless us and lay the chapel i won't forget it was a very unique opportunity for me where he called me out because he appreciated my drawing and bless me bless the chapel and bless the drawing and so on you know i've i've had a chance as a journalist working at a time for associated praise i interviewed a candidate on several issues on cameroon him running for elections or maybe what does he appreciate the decided to be
• 14:00 - 14:30 the point is the cardinal is so is so full of too many virtues as a person in the world in cameroon where in fact camus is very lucky to have a person like the cardinal and whoever will not learn from a person like the cardinal means he will hardly learn because the cardinal was open he was never biased the cardinal he advised us several times to live as though we could die the next moment so that we go to heaven he was an example of who christ
• 14:30 - 15:00 created us to be so for me when i look at when the cannot die like honorable uh you must say yeah when i when i got it it was just exactly what i had in mind because i don't think they can now if it leaves if it was you're going through the transition it's not actually going it's not dying you know and you know because like honorable uh kennedy said sorry when when you leave you have to die and dying is not actually
• 15:00 - 15:30 a bad state although we miss a person physically but the point is that the person is who are going through a transition dying is transition so for me the cardinal has gone through a transition well the point is for some of us who must go through that transition the point is accepting the transition that is if you if you live like they cannot advise yes you will go through this transition without being worried or stressed we are asking whether our director has some pictures of the accountant also that we can see at the time that uh we
• 15:30 - 16:00 talk about his uh humble nature uh honorable as a humble person yes i will just want to say this you know the cardinal had a call to be a servant of god and he did to that call and he has been so faithful to that call he has followed the voice of the holy spirit
• 16:00 - 16:30 throughout his life there are so many testimonies and so he's passing on to me is simply said the cardinal is not dead he's alive okay thank you very much i think we've said some someone who served the lord directly for about 55 years of his 91 years on earth we can only pray
• 16:30 - 17:00 that he's so rest in peace with the lord now we're going to move on to our first topic it's the babaji bamenda road what is the problem with this we have known several times that this road there was one time from babaji to bermanda it's um less than 50 kilometers but uh people took uh four hours some did not even just take four
• 17:00 - 17:30 hours they spent almost the whole night uh transiting from bermanda to babaji we we try to get in touch with even the topmost officials of the ministry of public works after yesterday we didn't get that but we know the social the economic and the political implications uh that are involved in this road that we can talk about here um senator how did you come for this session did you find it as much
• 17:30 - 18:00 right this i i personally remember obviously but i'm lucky that uh i passed before the the complete cutoff because you can imagine if i had to travel on the day that we lived that cutoff between babaji and the rest of bamenda and baminda in the northwest region i think i would have been caught there and maybe i would have missed the opening session of the parliament thank god i traveled through dwala and maybe it wouldn't within the period that
• 18:00 - 18:30 we had not suffered that calamity mr and kilian it has been a very i think this is more than the the stations of the cross that the norwegian has gone through as far as that rule is concerned you cannot talk about and forget about the promise the age old promise of 40 years today of supervising the ring route that the head of state actually promised providing personally the ring route but the unfortunate thing about this baba juvenile road is that it is passing it is not past it is not par you want to be sure about passing
• 18:30 - 19:00 on it on daily basis because it can happen on a funny day that the rain falls and it will be blocked off you'll be blocked off from one part of the country like it happens off recent reason i would just analyze this problem about this routine standard in just in economic and political terms economically we need just to ask ourselves before we supply any goods or services we ask whether is it necessary is it a necessity or is good of an ostentation in this particular case of bamindra babaji root or norway sounds
• 19:00 - 19:30 western region being linked by a good road network it is a matter of necessity because baminda and and baffusam obama and buddha they are very important towns their divisional quarters and their regional headquarters which must normally be linked up and it actually brings in the factor of our national unity that we claim we make it a slogan but we don't put it in practice that road is a necessity it's not a good of occupation the people don't need it as a matter of luxury yes it is necessary yeah and then next when you go to when you have to determine the status of that
• 19:30 - 20:00 you go down to the next talk to consider it is it does it really fall topmost on our scale of reference the query the answer to is in the affirmative it falls it's supposed to fall on our high the highest point on our scale of preference then the next question is why has it not been executed for the number of years now let's begin with what is the problem the problem enough you come from there and you actually should know we're going to uh mr anderson you have said something here about the difficulties of getting to somebody who could answer that question
• 20:00 - 20:30 properly in the most appropriate manner in the ministry of works but i can answer it politically what i can simply say about that product about about you but is a lack of political will it's just a lack of political will because i know how this government operates if the head of state were to decide today to visit bermanda by a route that rule will be constructed within the next one month and perfectly done if you are not careful they may put in place a two-lane route from barfusam to babanda just to be able to make sure the head of state
• 20:30 - 21:00 cruises on a good route to babenda nah so that is the question that's why we say it is a lack of political will it's not a lack of resources the resources are there the scale of preference and the lack of government now uh barista while you are baristas yes professionally yes you are also a senator that's right in parliament it's no mistake you're talking about lack of political will when we know that government hired contractors
• 21:00 - 21:30 from this on this road from 2016 uh they had already started work 2017 effectively until the crisis in the northwest and southwest came i used the blaming government on that mistake that's one of the issues that um is giving as a reason for that road not to be owned let me remind our listeners and and uh our humble panelists that the road was that old project was but for some
• 21:30 - 22:00 bamenda rehabilitation of that it was a reality wrote by mendel buffalo and it was going on smoothly i can't remember we saw the the which was a company working on it and progressing gradually until after it passed to babaji to destroy even the the portion that could be manageable and i can remember we we given this chairman of my party my company visited people stranded passengers on that on that on the street that was possible until when they come and dock and abandon suddenly we saw the contract abandoned and then it became an issue whereby they
• 22:00 - 22:30 had to innovate inaugurate i don't know which contract they were getting again integrating from bubba june now to bermanda to center where they're integrated and even i think the pop champion and spend some money for that for that for that public ceremony for unfair that was already ongoing and he said that it was abandoned by whatever what happened we don't know what happened but we had that resources became short or whatsoever and they could not continue with it then it happened the resources for this road we can say that are available they've been available since 2017. because they're wrong uh effectively
• 22:30 - 23:00 you had to go on to practice in 2017 and 17. because there is world bank sponsored drugs yeah so we are seeing that it's not because of resources but given that the resources are ready it could only be that it's because of the problems along that road mr missandei i'm not mentioning this the problem the current crisis made that route already having that already stagnated and let me let me see some this route happens one of the remote causes to the ongoing crisis i can remember as lawyers were bubbling with the problems of the judicial department
• 23:00 - 23:30 of state with the different phone the system of practical practice being confused they they were all they had to also debate on that road issue and it was one day planned lawyers i can't remember where we are we're in a group or foreign you know what's up group we plan to go and demonstrate on that route and then even after that after failing to go demonstrate because we do arguments as to whether that from part of our duties and or whatnot and then ask do we do a plan to go and demonstrate at center and uh they don't get there to ask that what is it what is the use of it because they're on a bad route on a road
• 23:30 - 24:00 that is actually not even worth it but let me tell you what this thing about the crisis is like motive seeking for multiples okay okay could go on without any problem yeah yes energy crisis cannot affect the road it is lack of the will i am saying this because i'm personally touched about the route it makes me feel not part of this nation and i'm telling you if they're considered right now it is thanks to the fact that the ambassador activist they are now
• 24:00 - 24:30 claiming that without cutting with the kettlebell route it is like they have been separated from the rest of the country and independence has come so the government will take that now as a challenge to construct they cannot claim that because they are the ones burning uh vehicles along that road they are the ones fighting people along that road it could not actually be a claim yes honorable you listen to that one is babaji bamenda you are a member of parliament for the whole country that is not the only portion of the
• 24:30 - 25:00 route that we've planned in cameroon as a nation and it's not uh executed so it's true that it's a big problem but it's a problem that goes to other parts of the country yes thank you very much i want to [Laughter] uh smile over what my brother said the passionate way yes yes because he knows the truth he knows the truth and
• 25:00 - 25:30 the truth is in him and you see when you know the truth and the truth is in you and you find it difficult to pronounce the truth uh you know it is sometimes so difficult to be yourself again what's that truth and the truth what i'm saying here is that he knows why that road has not been attacked or constructed the way it's supposed to he knows the truth what is it and i am coming okay
• 25:30 - 26:00 i'm coming um you know we have to be honest to ourselves sincerity and truth are the only things that we have to tell the people of cameroon that's where that we have to tell our own people down there let me tell you something you permit me please when this crisis started and when i saw that the crisis went to a
• 26:00 - 26:30 point where they said school children should not go to school i called the population in my area i conducted there were approximately 2 000 people the chiefs and everybody and i gave them food and drinks but i told them one thing this is what i told him that not until we start accepting the truth and living the truth then we'll go stop this crisis but if
• 26:30 - 27:00 we refuse to accept the truth this crisis will take us a long time and that truth is and that truth is that we are the ones responsible for rules and development not to come to our area there is no revolution that is against his own self that is against his own very people senator knows it you have said it when this road was already being constructed by statum
• 27:00 - 27:30 the caccas of the foreign loader is still there atacum destroyed by the separatists the workers were kidnapped for ransom so people were killed at one moment this wrote this um uh transport agencies um gamble and mumbai zam their buses were destroyed it is like you will tell me today that the road kumba ekonoti mundimba
• 27:30 - 28:00 is not being constructed because of bad faith of the government because of uh uh what you call what did you say again i don't even know it's jerusalem because they are not very important to me the truth is that the separatists the separatists the crisis is responsible because we had sorobat they came with in fact those equipments were the very first place that they brought them combination they were walking and what
• 28:00 - 28:30 happened the engineer was killed some were kidnapped and so on and so forth now tell me if today what has happened today the government now says okay fine if you don't want saturn maybe because it's a french company they have brought local companies and thank god the orca started from the bamenda end please let us be honest to ourselves let us see the the truth and speak the truth now the company has just been changed
• 28:30 - 29:00 we had a similar because we should learn from experience from history we had a similar thing in the final region the mora dabanga kuseri road the chinese who are fit who are qualified who are tiring most of our roads today they were kidnapped so many of the workers were kicking up the equipment destroyed some of the explosives stolen and used against us it's a not at the same level but it's a similar thing that is happening
• 29:00 - 29:30 between the west and the northwest why take from a civilian company to another civilian company when the war has not ended and because in the far north as i say it was given to this military engineering company yes i think okay he's giving the floor okay you're giving to a man but i would like to step in because those very analysis you are giving there i want to actually say that honorable jumpita
• 29:30 - 30:00 talks of let's be sincere but i want to talk about let's be honest honesty honesty is like virginity that when taken away from a woman can never be regained the difference with honesty and and sincerity sincerity can be masked but honesty when people lost hope on youth you should know that you're finished honorable i want to actually say here that we have lived the events this road was
• 30:00 - 30:30 launched on the 17th of may like honorable uh ballista it was launched on the 17th of may 2017. the crisis were not at its peak then there was no real war in the northwest region if as promised by the minister of public works that the works were going to start
• 30:30 - 31:00 immediately i think before the crisis most part of that road would have been taught now let me let me take this let me tell you on that yes when they started what they did wrote does not without defending anyone uh the road was so bad and they started by scripting exactly and it took people because the road does not end at the entrance to bermuda it goes right into the town and they did that okay because that was what stuck in there very very well yes the water transport to see how they
• 31:00 - 31:30 could clear that opera because there were a lot of potholes okay there is a question we need to start again to see how the canal stuck okay let's say the crisis yes we are saying that honesty is not followed because it's like we are doing something we don't want to do the honestly the honesty i mean here is that we the northwestern under the students excuse me i understand we are the ones to tell those who are stopping development to stop it
• 31:30 - 32:00 now the government has a heavy reconstruction package the question is are you sure that if they want to carry a reconstruction project in your area i know but uh they'll be looking at me you are blessed which is my
• 32:00 - 32:30 remember remember that emmanuel hasn't spoken yes before emmanuel accused him i wanted to actually say that if we are claiming that the crisis is actually the problem are you saying the crisis is not the problem the crisis could
• 32:30 - 33:00 it is part of the problem but that is there is no problem with that solution yes we always say something honorable please we want to be sincere and honest to ourselves this crisis could be part of the problem okay but what what is it that what is wrong now with the part of bermanda the babaji to matasm is it still the crisis that is disturbing then the military engineering core that has you know tired roads in the far north region that we have already mentioned thank you
• 33:00 - 33:30 thank you i mentioned a civilian company thank you thank you very much yes i think um we have already touched on almost everything that is connected to why the road is not moving that but there are two there are two main things that i know when the government is concerned as far as what implementation of work is supposed to be done the the government of carmel is very relaxed when it takes a decision to do something one of them is the road they wrote it
• 33:30 - 34:00 was decided that the road will start construction was up and it was launched in 2017 after they got the money from the world bank i think about 35 37 billion or so and what happened was that the government has which has a very strong bureaucratic attitude was still going through processes on what to do because the only people who can explain this very well as to why it was delayed when the crisis was not yet at full blown level is the government because today when i
• 34:00 - 34:30 look at it the the the non-function the known construction of the rule or the stalling of the road now is because of the fact that the government has been very relaxed and that the crisis has rendered the environment you know unusable uh maybe so because because why don't we think that the government is taking time to do this not taking time the government's not taking time we should take this will take 40
• 34:30 - 35:00 and to years money from the web bank it's a process the web is not like that like whatever the word about what was yours be very flat on our topic we're talking about the world bank disbursing money the cameron government let's not forget that the cameron government is very corrupt and that's why the world bank has to know how money has to be disbursed for whatever project
• 35:00 - 35:30 the world bank actually goes to people let me tell you one thing that you don't know that the politics of of the world bank and the i am all the international donors they actually go to where their problems are corruption and arrest because they spend their time giving money because the money has to be reimbursed
• 35:30 - 36:00 the more the the delay the more that you love the reimbursement the more the people make the money yes our question as a topic is what's the problem i think we have had what the problem is yes yes just just one word and we are moving out of that topic just one word we have another topic i have said it let the head of stake state embark on a journey on route from battlesome to bermanda
• 36:00 - 36:30 set him in backwards and say next month may he is going to embark on a journey on russia and troublesome to be simple that will be constructed exactly perfectly constructed well the company has been changed and they said they're going to follow this one closely let us give them let me just say anything before mr before honorable honorable
• 36:30 - 37:00 to defend the government as usual in fact what i have to say is before the construction reconstruction process between bafusan and bhamindar gustav it stopped somewhere after after the waterfall the water catchment in babusana it wasn't it wasn't even right at babaji it stopped going the way we saw the company food in his things no i'm going to
• 37:00 - 37:30 gentlemen it wasn't as mature it was right inside the heart of western region
• 37:30 - 38:00 this is what i will say let all of us go back to our regions or wherever we are call our brothers who are in the bushes who are stopping development to come from to our area let them let us tell them it is now over let us blow the final whistle we say it is over so our development can come let them give the the present company
• 38:00 - 38:30 that has been awarded this indigenous couple have been awarded this contract let that company walk and let that road be a bygone i think uh that would thank you very much that's what we hope that should happen and uh the two regions um if we were to have a western region we don't have we have west region and we have northwest and southwest uh we will have that road linking all these three including even the littora that is our wish and we hope that
• 38:30 - 39:00 as the ministry of public works has changed they're going to follow that up and have that road they know what's happening there constructed so that it does not become another problem we're going to move into our next topic and our next topic is parliament what has the bicameral nature of it added to our legislature uh we have two of our panelists here are parliamentarians one from the senate and the other from
• 39:00 - 39:30 the national assembly uh senator uh henry camende uh by his right you know he's a of the senate and you have honorable peter in jumei ambang who is a member of parliament and he's in his second term uh if i'm not making a mistake yes right um by camera nature of our legislature what has he actually added to to it we begin with uh
• 39:30 - 40:00 with you because you you came in in 2013 when we had the senate actually uh functioning in cameroon thank you thank you very much misunder bicameralism it must be met we must make our public to understand actually what's meant by by camera legislature as opposed to unicameral legislature the bicameral is a situation where you have two houses or two chambers that take part in making laws in in england you have the house of
• 40:00 - 40:30 commons and the house of lords and then in america you have the house of representatives and and the senate that formed the congress of the united states in cameroon we have the national assembly and the senate that make the cameron come out of cameroonian parliament and it was created by the philosophers who thought of that by criminalism in order to give effectiveness in order to make law making process to be efficient so that at least what cannot be seen by the lower house as they put it
• 40:30 - 41:00 by the national assembly in our case it should be seen by people who are considered senior citizens or people who are considered to have been tested in many domains and they can see better way the nationalism policy to again refine or to retune fine-tune the law before it gets to the presidency for a promulgation so they to ask now whether our whether the bicameralism has actually improved on our legislative process what i can say is that it has not improved on it an inch how do you mean
• 41:00 - 41:30 yes what i mean by that is simple that the constitution itself has met that by criminalism not work because what what do you have in nepal in the in our particular parliament made of the national assembly and the senate is that law's bills are introduced to the lower house that's national assembly and then after the scrutiny after is creating an adoption by national assembly it is forwarded by the press of national assembly to the senate who now again give it a second scrutiny they could make some changes there they could reject it
• 41:30 - 42:00 or they make some changes there on and then that same deal as the constitution of our country has to be sent back as amended who was rejected to send back the national assembly which national assembly could again reconsider the amendment or the rejection and they can still they have the possibility of still standing by the original position and then when in that particular situation that the head of state now comes in like they have orbiter to actually maybe can create a commun commission between the two houses and when the commissions even sit and there
• 42:00 - 42:30 is still no no agreement it is the final the finalization has to be taken either by has to be taken by the national assembly which means the long issue about it is that the bill leaves the national assembly to the senate it comes back to the to the national assembly and it is from the national assembly that goes to the presidency now whereas that is not the case which is now barista well explained yes in that case you are redundant what are you doing in the senate well i'm there as you know don't forget that i'm playing the role of your position we have done and that is even why if you
• 42:30 - 43:00 discover that you have no from what you have described you don't you don't have a job since we said uh the the electoral quota is not it's not a good one for to ensure transfer elections you want us to just stay i mean observing it will continue just as we we didn't go in for elections or we went in for elections in an atmosphere we would not be there there could be no balanced gain that balance gained and the city took all is that what you want us to be doing now well just that if you discover as a member of the opposition we have to be there to make sure mr and that that the cuban population keep on
• 43:00 - 43:30 because at the end of the day they are the judges very very honest himself judging me let me explain something to you uh you i don't know where they're going look we need to understand why the the synod came to exist in cameroon the the notion of the scene started around 1995 when cameron wanted to enter into the commonwealth and the commonwealth blame coming from being very you know that power was too concentrated on the on on on presidency
• 43:30 - 44:00 so it happened that the cameron government promised that it will open up and you know shed out part of the powers and that's how the um the uh they had to revoke they had to revise the uh constitution of 1970 so 1972 to get to in 1996 december 1996 and during that in fact that's a key revision of the concession that what we leave today is that revision what happened was that in that uh revision a key point in derivation
• 44:00 - 44:30 was decentralization most of what we are living today is what was being meant what was being decided during that um uh revision of the constitution well you had decentralization of first the parliament and the for instance dividing the parliament from just being a uni uh parliament yes you are correct because um um the senate according to the clause that talks about
• 44:30 - 45:00 them in their constitution says shall represent regional and local authorities fine there you are you have that you came in as part of i want to touch your word what what you talked about about about what did the the synod brought has brought nothing to cameroon it's a fact it's a fact because because look you know why i brought the signature represent regional and local authorities yes we know that regional authorities have just been put in place we mean that it gives them a job
• 45:00 - 45:30 the question is no no no no no no no you cannot say let me miss you you miss it you miss it because i want to tell you something and that's what i wanted to explain to you it makes you actually that's what i want to read after that let me actually react to that please let me explain this to you because what happened was that look at the circle is although it was supposed to shed powers it has actually emboldened the president of the country to have more powers that's the sound now i don't know i'm
• 45:30 - 46:00 explaining and that is why they don't have a job that is why they don't actually have work because the work that they are supposed to be done was supposedly already done at the assembly the issue about this in fact what i mean i forgot to mention okay what i forgot to mention in the revision of that concern in 1996 was
• 46:00 - 46:30 first decentralization and secondly the political transition in cameroon at the home of cameroon which is very key in what why the senate exists the senate exists because the power the hands of the national assembly the head of the the president of the national assembly to trans to stand as a transitional personality in that case has been shifted has been shifted to the to the senate which means it has added something good against what you said go forward
• 46:30 - 47:00 [Laughter]
• 47:00 - 47:30 [Applause] do you know that the president of the senate yes comes from your group and they for no my group no your group means as a senate yeah and that any member of the senate can become president no no to be very frank that's the fact you are there any member of the senate because when you look at the conditions could become
• 47:30 - 48:00 you become the president of the republic that it has to come back is that the coming in place of the senate is a constitutional provision as you rightly say exactly and i want to take us a little bit back
• 48:00 - 48:30 just one one second the pressure that the head of state had to put in place the senate came from the opposition it came from the position not the way and they used it no you are not it's not the matter where not the way it is
• 48:30 - 49:00 they used it to discredit the head of state and they used it to discredit the cpd and party oh and what happened remained calm because he knew when he was going to come up with it but when the pressure came and came and came and the means were available he put in place they seen it i can remember i can remember how the ncf and the position applauded that at last yes at last now today they come again
• 49:00 - 49:30 exactly what it has added is i believe that the person would have really made us to understand the truth is my brother let me make it a comment he came first but now let me just say something he started by saying here that there are two houses he mentioned there that if something is not well done here it could be done
• 49:30 - 50:00 better than it is better the other way and that is the position they have and we call them the areas to eat again down there and the other part of it is what you really said here today what has happened the nausea has been going gradually gradually based very slowly now he has put in place the religion the original councilors and the original house that is their work are you running away
• 50:00 - 50:30 how do we represent in the world okay fine that comes to parliament for the senate over the council a special law not a special law yes if you are representing the local uh by doing what
• 50:30 - 51:00 is
• 51:00 - 51:30 let me tell you on your word yes i want to know this i'm a constitutionalist i want to see where in the question by introducing some deals especially for them there is there is one there is one time when you came into yeah i think that was the first congress yes that you are yes you as a senator asked a person yes you did something which the public uploaded yes controlling of production controlling government action you actually showed that the incompatibilities of
• 51:30 - 52:00 some of the members which is normal and as pointing pointer said resign you resign yourself and the head of state followed me now for the first time yes now you say you don't have a job what happened that when you did that are you tired or you have understood that the system does not want you look he knows what he has to do let me tell you that i did that
• 52:00 - 52:30 because okay it's very important to know that if the senate is there only to vote laws and they were elected by the original council not only to vote laws i'm talking about what's happening no i'm not i'm not talking about when you're supposed to tell you what they
• 52:30 - 53:00 are doing yes is here and he's here with their contributions
• 53:00 - 53:30 from our viewers who have been sending in as they've watched this program from the beginning very hot as you see what have our viewers been saying about this program ev is welcome to the program thank you kilian let's go straight away with benny stephen who says i'm thinking that government has intentionally refused to turn the batman and barbara to rule because the project has started and has not been completed my opinion is true that government neglected the bombing of abandoned roads
• 53:30 - 54:00 like combined community road in aqua indian division years ago but it's also true that the insecurity is the main reason where the roads have been abandoned um we go to touchy roland who says hello to the entire crew the bermuda barbarian road is the lack of will of stakeholders involved by us and lack of control and supervision and with the implementation of the bicameral system it has increased state expenditure and this has not however uh brought in a
• 54:00 - 54:30 lot of gains and then uh tam ismail adamus is the state uh since inception got no feedback they seen it rather got no feedback those no base of existence and the bahamian babaji road is like nature's redesigning something uh others would hardly digest and the state of our country is a function of indifference between community intelligence yeah the last one and the last one i will conclude with elvis american who says
• 54:30 - 55:00 the house of the uh of the bicameral system cameroon had added nothing to cameroonian society that's rather draining much from the local resources thank you very much elvis techy thank you all of you who contributed on this program you want to contribute you see our tv web then you log on to our facebook page and you can contribute and you can also watch this program at your convenience just log in on to trtv face web facebook now we are
• 55:00 - 55:30 going to conclude we have less than two minutes to go just your last word we're going to start from the end of the table uh i think you'll be giving me a bit a bit of time because i didn't speak about this kilian first the senate being put in place maintaining the bicameral nature of cameroon is a constitutional fulfillment and it is an aberration in a country that faces so many challenges so many challenges be them social economic political and
• 55:30 - 56:00 you know whatever yes and then we have never had a bill that comes out from the senate or the senate imposes that this one we must debate the anglophones crisis is the question we have never had a debate night at the national assembly no no at the same time is not a new phenomenon let cameron let the cabaret government in copy copy copy it rightly there have been no complaint about the senate in america or
• 56:00 - 56:30 the house of lords and the house of commons coexisting in england or they have so they should copy it rightly let it let us let the senate is empowered to do that the road that is theirs in all democracies or it is crapped off and let the taxpayers money be used properly okay honorable peter yes i want to thank the head of state president porbia for listening to the people i'm trying as much as possible to put in place the democratic process in cameroon and one of those was bringing into place yes they seen it thank you
• 56:30 - 57:00 very much thank you very much yes emmanuel i want to say that they the coming of the synod had simply increased the power of the head of state because the manner in which it was created having about 30 percent of the senators appointed by the head of state bringing in some of his pro-opposition members like i don't want to name them anyway this has made the senate to be more of an aggrandizement of the presidential power thank you thank you very much thank you thank you very much thank you
• 57:00 - 57:30 senator henry thank you thank you very much thank you honorable peter thank you uh emmanuel kenno thank you gentlemen for coming thank you also for watching this program if you missed out please a rebroadcast comes up on monday between 2 30 and 3 p.m thanks once again happy easter happy peace thank you news