CRTV PRESS HOUR: On Separatists and Corruption

CRTV - PRESS HOUR - (CAN SEPARATISTS BE APPEASED ? - FIGHT CORRUPTION) - Sunday 10th January 2021

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Summary

This episode of CRTV's Press Hour, dated January 10, 2021, features a heated discussion on two critical issues in Cameroon: the ongoing fight against corruption and the dilemma of appeasing separatists in the English-speaking regions. Panelists from various sectors, including notable journalists and the National Anti-Corruption Commission, engage in a dynamic exchange of ideas, highlighting both governmental efforts and significant challenges. The discussion questions the effectiveness of past dialogues with separatists and assesses whether corruption is being systematically addressed or merely transforming its face. With contrasting views and intense debate, the episode brings to light the complexities Cameroon faces in addressing these national crises.

Highlights

The discussion opened with questions about who is winning the war against corruption: Cameroon or corruption itself? 🤔
The panelists introduced included government representatives and prominent journalists. 🗞️
Key focus areas included whether separatists can be appeased and the role of credible envoys. 🕊️
Some panelists advocated for releasing detained separatist leaders as a step towards dialogue. 🗣️
Cameroon's anti-corruption strategies, like hotline reports and the role of Conac, were scrutinized. 📞
The session highlighted discrepancies in prosecution speed for corruption cases involving low-level vs. high-level individuals. ⚖️
Educational reforms and religious studies were proposed as long-term solutions to eradicating corruption mindset. 📚

Key Takeaways

Cameroon has been fighting corruption for nearly 20 years, with mixed results. 🕵️‍♂️
The debate questions whether separatists in the anglophone regions can be appeased through dialogue and amnesty. 🏳️
The lack of transparency and slow legal procedures hamper anti-corruption efforts. ⏳
There are calls for inclusive dialogues involving separatist leaders like Ayuk Tabe and others living in diaspora. 🤝
The episode ends with a reflection on whether Cameroon is making progress in tackling these deep-rooted issues. 📉

Overview

The CRTV Press Hour episode from January 10, 2021, kicked off with a lively debate examining Cameroon's prolonged war on corruption and its efforts to appease separatist movements in the English-speaking regions. The panel, comprising government officials and journalists, explored whether Cameroon is successfully battling these issues or merely experiencing an evolution of them.

In discussing separatists, there was a clear divide among panelists on strategies to end the conflict. Some argued for the release of leaders jailed in Cameroon and the diaspora to encourage dialogue, while others emphasized the complexity and financial implications of appeasing groups perceived as disruptive. The conversation also touched on the need for credible mediators to effectively engage with separatist factions.

The anti-corruption discourse evaluated the effectiveness of current measures, questioning the procedural delays in prosecuting known offenders. The role of the National Anti-Corruption Commission (Conac) in receiving complaints and the apparent gap between allegations and prosecutions were hot topics. Suggestions included increasing transparency and reforming educational curricula to shift societal mindsets against corruption.

Chapters

00:00 - 00:30: Introduction The introduction chapter starts with a music piece. Further details about the introduction are not provided.
00:30 - 03:00: Welcome and Introduction of Panelists The chapter opens with a warm welcome to the audience by the host, on the occasion of 'Press Ah'. The date is January 10, 2021, and the host expresses excitement about the gathering. The chapter sets the stage for a discussion on the long-standing battle against corruption in Cameroon, questioning whether the nation or corruption is currently ahead in this relentless fight.
03:00 - 10:00: Press Review The chapter titled 'Press Review' discusses the ongoing issue of separatist attacks in Cameroon. The program's focus is on whether these separatists can be appeased, especially in light of recent deadly attacks. The host, along with panelists present in the studio, including Mr. Apple Giordoni and Mr. Apple Diode, will delve into this pressing question.
10:00 - 26:20: Discussion on Separatists and Attacks in Cameroon The chapter discusses the separatist movement and related attacks in Cameroon. It features a discussion with a representative from the national anti-corruption commission and a newspaper publisher. The dialogue explores the impact of separatism and attacks on Cameroon's society and governance.
26:20 - 58:10: Focus on Corruption in Cameroon In this introductory segment of the chapter, there is a New Year's greeting between the host and the guests in an episode on Sierra TV. The first guest is welcomed and exchanges greetings, highlighting that it is the second edition of Press Apple in 2021. Following this, another guest, Christian Hunga, is introduced as the publisher of the lone English language daily newspaper in Cameroon, the Guardian Post.
58:10 - 60:00: Closing Remarks The chapter titled 'Closing Remarks' begins with a welcoming note and New Year greetings to Marie, marking her first appearance on the 'press'. The panelists are introduced, and the program commences with the 'press review'. The chapter notes that the newspapers are resuming after a recess, and Emmanuel Avenue, who is responsible for that segment, is ready to start.

CRTV - PRESS HOUR - (CAN SEPARATISTS BE APPEASED ? - FIGHT CORRUPTION) - Sunday 10th January 2021 Transcription

00:00 - 00:30 [Music]
00:30 - 01:00 i am feeling so great to have you today on press ah welcome to the edition of press ah on this tenth day of january 2021 ladies and gentlemen it's about 20 years getting to 20 years since cameroon launched a war against corruption we're going to try to see who is winning the war is it corruption or is it cameroon and before we get into the focus of our
01:00 - 01:30 program because that's what we're going to focus on we are going to ask another question can the separatists be appeased given that even this week again we had two attacks too many for cameroons and they were deadly we're going to treat that with the panelists that we have here in the studio already and we have mr apple giordoni mr apple diode
01:30 - 02:00 is the head of the research and cooperation division of the national anti-corruption commission connect welcome to the program sir thank you mr kilian and happy new year happy new year sir we have uh richard in the la jung richard and there is uh the publisher of the hera tribune newspaper welcome to the program
02:00 - 02:30 happy new year this is the first time uh meeting you on pressure indeed thanks very much kilian and happy new year to the viewers of sierra tv it's my pleasure to be here the second edition of press apple 2021 thank you very much you're welcome we have next to you christian hunga christian is the publisher of the lone english language daily newspaper in cameroon the guardian post welcome to the program thank you the
02:30 - 03:00 pleasure is marie yes happy new year happy new year happy new year once again this is uh the first time we're having you on press others here ladies and gentlemen you have the panelists introduced to you and we're going to kick start the program where the first lot the first lot on the program is the press review we're going to review a week when the newspapers just came back from recess and our lady on that beat emmanuel avenue is standing by
03:00 - 03:30 with the press review the press is backed with diverse content for its audience this 2021 cameroon tribune quotes poor beer to the nation we are on the right path but promises hard times for securities on the post as he exudes confidence in spite of hard times on the horizon to the median beer whips as cameroon is
03:30 - 04:00 destroyed by separatists in the eye of municipal updates beer renews zeal to ensure development growth in north west and south west then lectures came to on best democratic practices on the chronicle times to the guardian post the year 2020 has been that of thorns and roses cameroon is set to host 2021 shan on the post newspaper even as the intermediate lions need to roar on cameron tribune especially as the
04:00 - 04:30 tourism sector is sharpened ready for the event on the voice but still preoccupying is a crisis in the northwest and southwest regions the sun reports on the deadly attack on sdo's convoy as five are killed in northwest on the horizon including communication delegate for momo when convoy hit an explosive device at a time when u.s congress accuses friends of double standards in the anglophone crisis on the guardian
04:30 - 05:00 post the horizon announces doomsday ahead of ghost town observers as governor leila freak forwards the cameroon tribune bemenda mobilizes for breakthrough in 2021 an idea shared by the voice as former u.s resolution 684 in dykes france reiterates international mediated negotiation in the crisis then patients are stranded as northwest hemodialysis center machines
05:00 - 05:30 break down on the post newspaper causing northwest kidney patients to say they have lost trust in bia regime on the guardian post his lordship michael bibi is new bishop of boya on the post newspaper as prime minister joseph dion gutek clocks two years in office on municipal updates the revision of the electoral list is launched in gyara on cameron tribune just when social distancing is first disappearing in gadgets on the same paper
05:30 - 06:00 their new year wishes to the head of state are cancelled due to the spread of kovite 19 and schools fully resume for the second term until i come your way again this is your hour with the press we look forward to having you and that will be next week for another edition of this program emmanuella but we count on god to make it possible
06:00 - 06:30 he is the supreme being that makes us leave the next second of our lives and as we say we're going to start with what just happened again in the northwest uh region and it's about a crisis in the two english-speaking regions and all western southwest regions at the time we thought that enough warning has been given to those who are perpetuating the crisis and killing we had two attack deadly
06:30 - 07:00 attacks in the northwest one and more division and one at the gateway to bamenda that is uh and matasm uh i'm going to start with you uh christian when you look at this opening i when we thought it was going to be year of hope uh what you take well uh that is just to uh what happened in the you've cited momo and matasm at the weekend
07:00 - 07:30 but we got up this morning also uh to also hear that a tamil extent manager who was kidnapped by suspected fighters has also been killed it adds to the number of killings allegedly committed by british fighters this weekend uh i think all of it comes to they come to to actually say that we are still uh several kilometers away from resolving the crisis contrary to what
07:30 - 08:00 some regime apologists think i i want to say that government has the will to actually resolve the crisis but i think they have to go deeper than what has been done already yes sir richard christian made mention of the incident in the southwest region it was not yet confirmed i've not not yet confirmed because officially before we say it on tv
08:00 - 08:30 on cia tv we need to have official sources i know how that's why i could not be talking about that but commenting on the atrocities that have started this year what what do you say it is very disheartening killian that we begin the year with uh so many debts already taking place within the first week of the year i'm talking about the case in mumbo division and the one division and we don't know for how long
08:30 - 09:00 this is going to take because um this i just want to say that this is just the beginning and we've already recorded uh more than uh i'm forgetting we're dead in 2010 and um but maybe by the time we run to a month two months we don't expect to have that yeah we pray that we don't get to that level but we think that this is high time government should already start thinking about doing something as far as this crisis is concerned and
09:00 - 09:30 then doing something that's what we are going to focus on within the first 15 minutes of the program and you know is can the separatists be appeased um mr director you are the head of the research and cooperation division of the national anti-corruption commission connect um welcome to the program once again when you um listen when you watch images coming from the northwest and
09:30 - 10:00 southwest give with so many killings that continue what comment do you have to to give and what i can say is that i'm sure i'm thinking that it's a really challenge those parties are given to the government and the government is supposed to still be very firm and strong because i'm not thinking that there can be a quantity of people can be more powerful than the government the government is supposed to be again more
10:00 - 10:30 more powerful and to look for all means to to to bring the peace in that region the myth can be peaceful it can be to sensitize the separatists can be also to see the people who they have to send to the field okay now you have right we got into discussing what we are going to treat today as our first topic yes that is to ask apart from the two
10:30 - 11:00 reasons you have given which can be part of the appeasement of the separatists what other things do you think can be done to can there actually be a piece that's the question we are asking yes i'm thinking that they will be finally at visa for that one who can who can be sure you know everything is is the way the government will handle the matter if the government handled the matter uh with all the the ability i'm thinking
11:00 - 11:30 that things that peace will come back there yes ability what do we put into that word we have used this ability but the ability can be the people who go to the field the people the government will be selling every day to go and meet the people from the communities yes those the people the government will sense should be the people who are credible who are well also listen to the amongst the population you know if you go if the sense of body the
11:30 - 12:00 population uh the population like and i don't know if they will accept what he was saying so they have to choose correct people and they have also the dds so be more operational so if it has happened that society parties are coming are coming out from the bush they should take them and give them all the protection the protection and all the condition which can make them to be integrated in the society very good you you listen to mr apple
12:00 - 12:30 giordani yes a christian girl christian he has talked about the ddl he's talking about is the disarmament demobilization and reintegration commission that is headed uh by mr faye and go francis and we have a center that is built in bermanda one in um in boya and since we went and we are still to be constructed yes by the center is functional that's what we're talking about and one
12:30 - 13:00 in the final because we are talking about those who are committing acts of terror and they go around the country talk about terror you remember that even in the fan of this weekend we had a terrorist attack that killed about 11 people you are going to christian talk about appeasement measures measures can the separatists be appeased the answer is yes and no yes yes if government is sincere about
13:00 - 13:30 their placement measures in my opinion um i've said this on this program before i think from the beginning we have said and i continue to say that the first appeasement measure government can you know take is releasing everybody who has been who has been detained or has been convicted in connection to this crisis when we release these guys government
13:30 - 14:00 can proceed with declaring a general amnesty so that those who are living abroad and are afraid to come back home because they are afraid that they will be arrested cannot be free to come back home and then when you release those who are in jail you grant a general amnesty you cannot call for an inclusive dialogue without preconditions without a taboo subject that way
14:00 - 14:30 we can have people who were in jail the leaders those who are in the diaspora imagine a dialogue where you find a secret you you have a chris anu you have tapping ivo you have mark barata you have somebody like eric tattoo and then you go to the bellam and look for phil machad the person they call oliver tambo they are people in every division the villagers
14:30 - 15:00 and the traditional rulers or the elite of the areas know the kids amber generals as they call themselves you can begin negotiating with them after you have released their leaders from jail you have declared general amnesty and then government can call for an inclusive dialogue without preconditions without making policy about about it yes uh well i stay with you let me become a killian what i'm saying is that the present measures should not be dictated you will continue no because
15:00 - 15:30 i'm with you the point is when you give the names that you have listed and we know as government says that some of these atrocities have been instigated by them we are even going to look at the case of the united states now where the president of the united states himself is probably going to go through another appeasement because he incited insurrection are you now
15:30 - 16:00 now i'm coming i'm doing that comparison to come to the names that you are given that they should be freed even in the united states the president is going to be held responsible for acts that went against the institution went against yes yes remember there is a very strong addition which goes dust when you want to reconcile after a war you don't count cops what am i what do i mean it means that when you want to reconcile you forget about the past
16:00 - 16:30 and move ahead first of all uh i was going to say that if government can be seen to be talking with the the names i cited above that's just part of the appeasement measures i mean it will come down tempers and then secondly the people who are in the bushes it happened right now we saw it the people were in the bushes there are many of them who are prepared to come out it's not just about coming out and be hosted at the various ddr centers yes government should be able to say yes you drop down your gun
16:30 - 17:00 in exchange for this propose something to these guys that yes make it more lucrative lucrative than being in the bushes see if government does that i bet you within the next two three months if these measures are taken i would i'm going to spend a lot of money to maintain the army keep the army of course to fight the war money we should use to obey these guys because they buy them locative jobs because offer them some incentives and they will leave their business because the integrity of the state is at stake by those people now let me
17:00 - 17:30 hold you i'll stay with you because the points you are making are very crucial to the country when you i hold you by your words when you say we forget about the past i move forward it's a very good wish but we know that the study of history is knowing the past studying the past to know the present in order to predict the future so that we have a better future it will forget the past what future are we going to have you see you see killian
17:30 - 18:00 we are still at this level because of this narrative that we cannot forget about the past we have lost so many souls we have lost so much in terms of properties that have been destroyed if government had moved away from saying that we cannot forget about the past i mean i had an uncle who was divorced with a wife for over 28 years but they are really married because you are fortunate about the past and you want to move on i already said and i want to insist when you want to reconcile
18:00 - 18:30 during after a war you don't count corpses you just move okay thank you thank you thank you pass has passed let's reconcile and then let everybody be called on the dialogue table those who matter thank you and the detention naturally we we we we come to you uh richard the the head of the research and cooperation division of the national anti-commission anti-corruption commission talked about
18:30 - 19:00 having credible people to go down there and meet the those who are fighting those who are disgruntled by that he is insinuating that some of the people who have been doing the cruise the peace corps setting are not actually credible you say that uh but but but there should be um other points do you agree that the separatists can be a beast if yes how i think i'm of the opinion that the separatists can be a piece
19:00 - 19:30 like christian said there are a lot of things government is supposed to do but it's not doing it for example a few years back we had the dialogue but none of these guys was brought into the dialogue committee what do you mean by none of them we had we had guys from the bushes those are the guys who had already dropped their arms and came
19:30 - 20:00 for the dialogue i mean i to me again that was a kind of a public show because the real people who said to you unless the real people killian were not brought in he mentioned uh circle we have a a tapang ivor we have mark barretta we have uh chris and the rest none of them came in i think these are the guys who are teleguiding you will continue please let us be very clear that these people you are naming except those who were in the jails
20:00 - 20:30 were invited to the in a major national dialogue to be very frank they were invited and they gave conduct conditions yes if you want to say it that way you can continue to say that they were not invited but the government with these conditions because at least they needed a neutral ground what was wrong moving to a neutral ground and bringing these guys to talk because if that if that happened i don't think would have been where we are today because we some people have taken let me
20:30 - 21:00 remind you that some people have taken this thing as a business what a place where they can make a lot of money it suffices for an army general of a colonel to call and say i need this amount of money to do this and they will give that is business food i'm saying that they have we have army generals we have colonists who are in the warfront that they can just call say i need money and they'll give because i've taken this thing as money-making venture instead of handling the crisis
21:00 - 21:30 as it is we need to talk to this guy inclusive dialogue i don't know how you can do it we are going around the church we are going around the table we are going to work outside also no talking on a crisis that they don't even master what is happening they come and think about themselves again yeah we'll come back to you he is we have uh the head of the research and the cooperation division we are going around the table we will make a statement don't never just mine yes you've
21:30 - 22:00 listened to them what's your comment what uh i would suggest is to uh i would tell them that you know in this case particular case you will see that the leaders of the separatists you cannot identify they really but they will say that this one this man but those who are in the bush how can you do to identify them how can you do to call them that how can you discuss with them let me answer that question yes every family i can't i come from the northwest yes
22:00 - 22:30 you're a father like i am yes if your child is in the bush whether your child is in the bush true of us he is not if your child is not at home every village yes either the quarter head or the traditional ruler they know the leaders of those uh those um groups whom they don't control it doesn't matter what they control not they can give information to government if government wants to engage them in dialogue and let me say it very clearly a accident what took place
22:30 - 23:00 last year september 13th at a conference center was a grand cpdm a conference you you have never seen anywhere in the world where there's a conflict like the one we have in the northwest and southwest and you hold a major national dialogue or whatever you call it and you shift in civilian officials from all over uh
23:00 - 23:30 and you call a general assembly of all journalists in cameroon to come and discuss their problems let me ask you this question do you call the emergencies first you are not dictating on the on your side cutting a christian to me do you call him kill him no don't answer that dialogue you are escaping the question i'm not i
23:30 - 24:00 am not look do you call the key actors in this christ listen first do you think that those boys
24:00 - 24:30 are you not sure that they can be professional killers or arm robots i am saying that the government approaches them in the right way in the right way within the next two months christian do you notice that you are just shouting at everybody i'm not shouting and that as you know the world is watching us yes and what i'm saying is not true there with my is
24:30 - 25:00 is that true the person who has spoken he has spoken how do you say i don't let you you see you are also you are facing the world as you speak here you will continue not to speak but i think that this time around you will be calmer when you make your opponents even karma yes the points get through okay are we okay i'm okay yes thank you very much uh we are going to continue uh with you richard what other means i know you seem to be taking people to task but the
25:00 - 25:30 the question i was asking christian there are some sweeping statements that don't go when i just ask you do you call the emeritus christian carina to me a cpd a militant you didn't answer you went elsewhere we can do you also agree that there are so many other names that we can that came into the place that are neutral do you call they will need yourself of course wait wait wait wait fruity
25:30 - 26:00 again you're going the same way of course uh richard we're going the question we are asking is this can these separatists be appeased and we have asked this question because we want you to suggest ways by which they can be at peace we don't want you to be crying about
26:00 - 26:30 what is happening we're going around we are going around the table let me let me ask i'm sure i did i said yes government should read then let him speak government should release everybody if you said that then let's go ahead and let this happen someone should promise the guys in the bushes and not just incentives i think uh you would drop the guns richard is speaking yes i would say these guys can be a piece the surprises can be a beast they come from families we know them
26:30 - 27:00 from the quarter heads from the various homes at least we know these guys there's a there's an approach which we can use not using violence because if you're good if you approach them using some peaceful means and you know giving them incentive promising them please come this is a job for you that has been done with their have you gone to the same time but i see the way it has been built yeah i know but but what are the those who have left from there what are they doing i don't know digging a
27:00 - 27:30 a trend around okay now uh we are going to move out of that topic into our focus for today and our focus is corruption uh the government launched a war on corruption that's against corruption for more than 20 years the war has been taking different stages and today we have a national anti-corruption commission since 2006 if my memories are not failing me we're going
27:30 - 28:00 to see who is winning the war and but before we go to that watch this report by vanessa kanga several structures exist in cameroon to fight against embezzlement and corruption but the ill is still deep rooted in society the chairman of the national anti-corruption commission connect holds that with cameroon having ratified the african union convention
28:00 - 28:30 on the fight against corruption the fight against the cancer womb will be given a boost with the ratification of the convention of uae that he did in april 2020 it is the reinforcement of the fights against corruption because we will follow illicit enrichment and money laundering and we think that if we cooperate very well with all
28:30 - 29:00 structures put on place so as to fight against corruption we have a big result the supreme state audit office will intensify prevention and sanctions we are going to increase workshops on sensitization and education while also still carrying out the many more controls and also systematizing the sanction of of vote holders and managers whom we find faulty over and above prevention
29:00 - 29:30 and sanctions education of cameroonians on integrity is very vital thank you emilian ebenezer mr apple journey yes you are in charge of research and cooperation and the division that's division in the connect yes that's the national
29:30 - 30:00 anti-corruption commission yes what will you say is the situation of corruption because the question we are asking is is the corruption winning the war or government through the various commissions and other bodies put in place winning the the war the fight okay thank you uh my friend uh cliam
30:00 - 30:30 what i have to say is that uh you know the the fight against is not a small fight is a fight which is very difficult but the government since 2006 okay escalated to the national articulation commission before that we had observatory when when the the president took office in in uh 1982 himself emphasized on the his principle which was a
30:30 - 31:00 regard and mobilization so i'm thinking that the government is taking a good way to fight against croatia and if you see what is happening what konak is doing since 2006 and particle one just gonna started to become effectively operational conduct have done a lot of things in this country if you take the the sound digitization aspect if you if you take the investigation you
31:00 - 31:30 will see that there are many materials shall be carried out and many people have been prosecuted because of the russians of konak and you will see that connect has what we are thinking that has done very well connect has brought many people to know that culture is a bad thing and connect is bringing people the citizen to be ready to denounce corruption if you take only statistics when
31:30 - 32:00 conducted around 2010 we have only 482 people who were who denounced corruption but now in 2018 we have already 23 000 uh forty two people who uh denounce uh uh acts of corruption so you understand that people are very aware and you see if you see mum and our administration there are many measures we are taken to avoid contact between population and
32:00 - 32:30 demonstration if we see like procurement in the program they are using an electronic to supply you will see that school uh like in finance there was there was something that correlation was uh they were fine we used to seek corruption like to to have a peace sleep when a worker come from from kylie off for barmanda or for boya to have space sleep he will go to finance to check to ask people and you know by contacting people
32:30 - 33:00 they will ask him many many things but now only you go to your computer and you go to that site you can print you have to sleep you see it's something it's something which i'm thinking that is something which has done which will help which is helping many people and you will see even education to pay us your uh your fees you pass through a digital in the is digital or you go to uh experience so you are not you they are not there's no way again to to super moving to go to the music if people are
33:00 - 33:30 have only that idea in that it means that the work of connect is good now here in that day they will put automatically uh targets yes you understand it means that everybody everybody is going to to fight against corruption and you will see that all the ministry there is a unit yes yes you take credit for for all of that those are measures that um have been put
33:30 - 34:00 in place in 1998 that was the year cameroon had the uninviable first position in the world as the the uh the first corrupt country in the world that was that was 99 the most the most if you like um i think it followed also in uh in 1999 and these are the areas that were singled out as the most corrupt in the country we had the police we had the gender marry we
34:00 - 34:30 had education customs we had treasury taxation and the judiciary you have not actually touched some of these places you are touching some subsections in these areas what can we see in customs you know customers they have also a freelancer when you have if you if you're a victim of a culture you can you can call okay yes so you will go to asian dummy also they have a free line like that yes they have
34:30 - 35:00 lines and if you notice any corruption with the nationalism the marines yes especially with uh unprofessional or unethical behavior you call 1501 yes they're going to lose for that i accept yes uh because that those are areas that are named here you just call one five zero zero that's one thousand five hundred and and and to to to condone to that
35:00 - 35:30 we're going to take you to task to some of these things but we are we agree what we are saying yes uh some of these um work you're talking the the the special communication within the security forces once you call their bosses are connected so the people who are supposed to do that have an obligation to carry out some of those things for one thing sometimes we don't call now you've talked of some of these things uh we stay with you because you are our experts
35:30 - 36:00 yes it will be wrong if we try to narrow this discussion to connect and no we are coming up because we are not known around it it is not about this yes we have not come here to no this is the achievement no this is the this you have time let us let us take him to
36:00 - 36:30 that's first yes uh uh mr apple yes in education for example yes uh you've said they have their red lines they have uh hotlines where you can report many people think that the corruption is just being transformed because exam examination intense exams are still being paid yes but the the the manner in which is paid is different yes it's connected where
36:30 - 37:00 i'm just taking that for example in many other areas yes so how are you working to make sure that these things don't happen i give you an example somebody wants to be too bribed to go into a a professional school the person goes and deposits the money in a bank in their name it doesn't go and pay to somebody when the exam is out some of them even are deep the transactions are done and you don't see any direct dealings with money is connect aware of this and what kind
37:00 - 37:30 of connection we're going to extend to other areas no uh what you have to start to understand mr clear is that that type of corruption is not open like you are saying is hidden when if people agree in their rooms or they agree in some in the place where they are not black people how you know that somebody has gone he has taken money to go and put in the bank so that other people come and take you cannot do so that's why in connect we are insisting on the fact that people have
37:30 - 38:00 to denounce so if we are aware or something like that you would not there will be there will be investigation and i can tell you that every time when there is uh the beginning of school year when there are many uh uh uh people seeking admissions yes when when they are concu yes yes all the when there's any information investigate yeah no no we will we will get out we will get ourselves
38:00 - 38:30 now the problem what people say what people say yes yes that actually waters down what you are saying is that connect doesn't have the power the past to something and that's where it it does that's that's your problem you want me to give an answer yes of course you know people we are saying that the quran has no power according to the the decree connect that we don't have power to prosecute
38:30 - 39:00 but what you have to understand is that there are secrets there are certain cases where if you come and meet people who are doing corruption yes on the spot you can persecute them if your eyes that you can couldn't and the many cases that we have reported to police enter into jail okay okay when it is on the spot but if is that you they reported that there was corruption so they have to investigate at that time connector does not have a great power to go and to take you directly
39:00 - 39:30 does it take long to do the investigation because we cannot say that investigation has the time that you have to say it's two or three days and the treatment can be one day it can take also three months and six months yes of course but then when it takes that long way it takes that long what becomes no you are not the one asking the question investigation or you want only that there should be a result in everything okay okay okay no no don't ask questions
39:30 - 40:00 i'm saying that yes i think the the methods we're using to fight corruption in this country there's still at least much to be desired because we're struggling to fight the corruption but yet there are a lot there's still a lot of things going on wrong i watch a program on i mean one of the news items on cr tv how connect went out on the field and
40:00 - 40:30 the policeman was escaping with money from his pocket yeah i think those are issues we bring gospel to book sanction and publicly let it let people know that this person has been sanctioned but what is happening is since connect he's just said that he just says like a toothless smoke said that no say it no excuse me yes it takes long i want to say it takes long for some of those sanctions to come in place because it's a lot of there's a lot of procedure to take before somebody is finally sanctioned there are people
40:30 - 41:00 unfortunately those who have been samsung are those who take uh maybe one thousand or two hundred 10 000 francs but those who take who embezzle billions who are found corrupt who have been corrupted with billions are left in the streets they are moving about freely and doing their things no i have so many of them in the prison man but there are so many people i know uh killian i know some people who are still moving about freely which this same connect
41:00 - 41:30 accused them of having embezzled billions until today they're still moving around let me ask you do you you still have the flow let me ask you have you gone to the special criminal court to ask whether their fights are pending if you had gone there and you didn't find their fights there and you come and just and that is why when we keep delaying and wasting time the corruption increases people continue to do so many things and we realize they're out of the country
41:30 - 42:00 you have the floor now before you i will give you enough time to say yeah let me let me just point out one you you are going to point out more than one thing listen to this before you point out you you i will give you enough time to point out five things he talked about richard talked about he the director here who is head of the research and cooperation division and the national anti-corruption commission he said the usually sometimes have
42:00 - 42:30 some people on the spot and they're punished uh richard cited excuse me examples of two uh security officers this weekend not long ago connor caught them one in the west i know one in the center south and they were caught red-handed and you said you saw them running because could not actually investigate it when we are advancing our points we should accept facts then we can go ahead do you
42:30 - 43:00 accept that that is something not the buddha connected if you accept you're going to have to i'm very okay with the the work that connect has done to reduce corruption in this country yes for that one there's no argument about that okay but for the fact that connect as richard said it's a toothless bulldog the connect ends at denouncing excuse me sir excuse me the first thing about the connection what do you mean by the dancing he talked about the announcement no
43:00 - 43:30 people denounced today the first thing to do i can only point out they don't have the powers to order for prosecution let me come i think they do he's here the connect report yeah which is supposed to be independent of that body can never be made public until it goes to the go to the presidency for signature before the names are published ah that already tells you that the body is not independent enough to fight corruption in this
43:30 - 44:00 country you continue your hand you have the floor please no other person will speak you will go up to five or six points no no no on that you are under your first point under your first point yes are you saying that when connect gets in does his investigations it should bring his uh report to the public or the public he should send it today to the court to prosecute the people we have people like richard said here we have connect reports every december i have copies we have people who are cited as
44:00 - 44:30 embezzling more than 10 billion but i'm moving about freely and singing cbd oa on the streets still on that point you continue please do you know that when you have is it five from 500 uh what's the the base level that you have special courts to handle at the end special criminal court he's a 50 billion million yes now we're talking about business no we we are on the same no yeah you are the one i'm just asking to clarify
44:30 - 45:00 my exams which i wanted to take him yeah no you're asking a question no the point is this let us get a clear uh question somebody who has invested in better you say five billion did you say get more than billion billion it means that that person needs special measures from special courts that's why it takes that procedure uh you can continue what's what phrase criminal court do you want to go against
45:00 - 45:30 excuse me that prosecutes those who have embezzled and we are saying that those if you have accused somebody at least that person should be behind bars waiting try out why the matter has been followed up but you allow the person like christian said moving around singing places for the regime is that what we are supposed to do which law are you quoting that you have just accused the person you put the person in the jail waiting prosecution with facts
45:30 - 46:00 established now but for how long do we have to wait for example i'll give you an example no we don't want to call names here okay but i was saying that um mr director yes forgive me for trying to ask a question on your behalf no don't examine i'm not asking a question but i want to bring it out okay there is no year yes that we don't have scandals about interns exams into vietnam yes connacht has never raised his voice on a support corruption in the into the interesting times
46:00 - 46:30 on a daily basis yeah you see we have in our program um examination without corruption yes so and there are some high school no just so i'm talking about numb don't forget about that that's some performance issues that matter because you sent somebody one qualified first year what i want to say but i'm just saying let me let me tell you first uh yes like there's some uh
46:30 - 47:00 a professional school like a polytech like uh you know excited enough i don't want i don't want to talk about uh uh conor central public no they have signed they have signed a convention yeah convention that when uh they are doing their exam they are supposed to respect the integrity they are supposed to respect many those things are saying yes but a number yet it will connect that's what i want to
47:00 - 47:30 you know
47:30 - 48:00 should not be any corruption do you know i mean every year yes there is always an outcry against the interest exams into admission into enamel yes no yeah we we will connect that's the point that's the point that's
48:00 - 48:30 the point is what you are saying is that you are aware that in enough as the publisher of a newspaper
48:30 - 49:00 richard also a publisher of another newspaper we mean that your level in your newspapers are very high yeah and you have the power of the fourth estate to do investigation independent investment that's why we're asking no no you are not asking you're supposed to go yourself publish articles on what is happening first thing i ask you uh christian how many do you know cases that have gone to a corruption if you know have you denounced them
49:00 - 49:30 either to connect or to uh good question yes i'll tell you mr director is aware the guardian post is one of the newspapers that connor works with yes yes and connect relies on various municipal reports to launch their investigations have you denounced no please let me learn okay killian we have raised the issues about uh alleged corruption into exams internal exams into vietnam yes and the question i asked him we have never had connect
49:30 - 50:00 citing a nam as an institution as one of those institutions that the the talk of corruption is keeps coming on now what is that on to enough signs no no in the prevention aspect you know before before memory seeing the uh the way that the christian christian police said but it's good that and i'm sure offers an agreement with uh with uh with uh that when we are doing our
50:00 - 50:30 exam we it will be no corruption christian please give this comment let him speak let him speak listen i'm not here to tell you about our investigation that we are carrying so i'm not dead so what do you think about the republic when not not to republicans investigations yeah no
50:30 - 51:00 yes we have talked so much on imam it was just an example it's true that that example is so speaking that it comes off all the time but we're going to go out of vietnam to go to generalities because our point is not a number i i will not go without asking you christian you say you have probably so many articles on alleged corruption yes when you public alleged corruption it is still too uh vague for
51:00 - 51:30 the connect to go into you have to denounce and denouncations are secret they are not open you give names have you given their names or you never ever go into the names remember a good journalist it is is the one who says suspected alleged until the person the court pronounces that person as guilty that's why we have problems with seated journalists who say amber fighters have killed it is only the court that can say this action was done by amber fighter
51:30 - 52:00 so we said suspected no that's why we were writing about reports we say there's alleged corruption in the in enough interest exams and that lead can give connect the leeway to investigate well where your your lesson will not be learned by crtv if at all because i know it's not credible we we our topic is this corruption who is winning the war that is the topic we have for if you are
52:00 - 52:30 i will tell that for the moment yes if you see itself have carried a certain survey in the survey the soviet was sky in 2000 and between 2010 and 2015. in that survey it was the position of the users of administration towards cohoshu and you will see that in 2010 it was a six comma six percent uh but in 2015 yes
52:30 - 53:00 it came down to five it is uh it is uh scientific exactly how scientific no you know when we are doing survey we are not doing we are not doing it this is just imagining nobody ever says that and you always imagine
53:00 - 53:30 when there's always a margin of error in everything we do uh he has not said one hundred percent you cannot hold him to task for that yes uh everywhere this imaginable everything i think you're not here to defend him elvis thinking who is coming in here we
53:30 - 54:00 have had so many contributions from some of you who are watching us from your homes along the route on your handsets even on your laptops we have uh several of you who have been contributing live to this program that is broadcast on crtv web facebook and you are watching us live everyday is here with some of the contributions uh that are coming from you elvis good day welcome to the program thank you kylian good afternoon
54:00 - 54:30 what do we have quite a good number of reactions both positive and negative we begin to deal with the units in them who says there is come closer there is a possible strategy for and uh to appeal to the sense and stimulate the required changes um needed to fight corruption ibrahim usman says everything being equal a piece of meat swallowed through the mouth can only be sent out through the anus so corruption
54:30 - 55:00 to win the fight of corruption they should increase religious studies in schools at all levels we have mota pemei obesa who says there is need for reinforced education at all levels to repair people's minds and mentalities then we have killer qin who says those who are corrupt are winning the fight and there's a need for government to take the action more seriously thank you very much that's all we have
55:00 - 55:30 for today uh we look forward to having you next week elvis decker would want our uh our viewers are contributing we got your we got your viewers who is winning the fight against corruption uh we're going to go around the table now to face art of the program beginning with you christian god christian well i already said connect should have done far better in the fight
55:30 - 56:00 against corruption in this country if the text creating connect can give them the free hand to follow up to make sure that those who they suspect of being involved in corruption are given a trial within the shortest time possible if connaught is given the the powers to follow up the trial of those the things are corrupt we would go verify in the
56:00 - 56:30 fight against corruption in this country okay so richard the connect should go faster because they are the courts that are supposed to prosecute connects investigations should go faster and then the people hand handed over to the courts because actually i think it's in line with what she's saying just to correct that courts prosecute not connect yes yes i think for us to win the fight against corruption we should introduce like somebody said
56:30 - 57:00 like a viewer said religious studies in our schools especially in the public schools and i remember some years back there was some there were some pilot schools with a program a fight against carlson tourist schools and i don't know how far that program had gone and how it ended i think we have to revisit that particular project which was being monitored between the ministry uh education and other stakeholders so it
57:00 - 57:30 is only true that because this generate we need a new generation of cameroonians who can actually come out and have a corrupt free society and for us to have that corrupt free society we have to you know fight against corruption through schools beginning from the nursing schools even if we are done with that i think the new generation of communists are coming up will not hear so much about corruption so rachel we got you right change of mentality
57:30 - 58:00 is uh primordial in fighting corruption and it begins from the base uh mr apple okay what i can say is that the fighter equation is a form of everybody it's not only the form of connect and there is a national integrity education program in konac and we are still implementing it is something that you see in the will not expect the arizona but the
58:00 - 58:30 result is still to come it will take its time but to give corruption is going on no one you know the corruption is being solved uh by a changing habit so if we succeed to teach our kids that corruption is a bad thing i'm thinking that is the national integrity education program will again will gain the fight against corruption and what i have to say finally is that now the fear is no more with those who
58:30 - 59:00 are not caught the fear is in the sight of the people who thank you very much we took the national anti-corruption commission for expertise but we know that we have other bodies that fight against corruption in cameroon we have an if we also have the supreme state yes supreme state audit office and we have so many others in the different administrations connect was our case study today we had
59:00 - 59:30 asked guests on the program mr apo giordoni who is the head of a research and cooperation division of the national anti-corruption commission and a christian publisher of the guardian post newspaper richard de jung who is the publisher of the herat tribune that's what we make time we made time for today ladies and gentlemen wherever you are watching us if you missed that on us there will be a
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