CRTV - PRESS HOUR - (NW/SW : CAN MND HELP to PACIFY ? - The FONS and ROYALITY) - 26th September 2021

Summary

In this episode of CRTV's Press Hour, the focus is on the ongoing conflict in Cameroon's Northwest and Southwest regions, examining whether the Major National Dialogue has managed to foster peace. The discussion also shifts to the cultural implications as traditional leaders, or "Fons," navigate the challenges of maintaining neutrality amid political tensions. Despite efforts towards peace, including policy recommendations, infrastructure improvements, and cultural revitalization, the region continues to face significant unrest and division. The cultural authority of the Fons is highlighted as both a potential means for fostering unity and a source of controversy when entangled in partisan politics.

Highlights

• Prime Minister Joseph John Gutee calls for peace in the Southwest, highlighting ongoing military strategizing. 📰
• The cultural significance of the Fons is debated, particularly as some engage in politics, challenging traditional norms. 🤔
• Press reviews reveal mixed reactions to the Major National Dialogue's effects on regional peace efforts. 📄
• Reverend Father Humphrey Tatamgui and other guests discuss cultural and political dynamics impacting peace. 🙏
• Calls for more inclusive dialogues, addressing grassroots and leadership levels, to effectively deal with the conflict. 🗣️

Key Takeaways

• The quest for peace in NW and SW Cameroon continues, with dialogues and military strategies in constant play. 🕊️
• Fons, as traditional leaders, hold cultural authority, but their involvement in politics complicates their role. 👑
• Cultural adaptation and modernization are challenging traditional structures, raising questions about identity and governance. 🌍
• The Major National Dialogue, though well-intentioned, has faced challenges in implementation, prompting calls for more inclusive approaches. 💬
• Media plays a crucial role in highlighting both the failures and potentials within the peace process, showcasing diverse voices. 📢

Overview

The television panel discussion opens with Cameroon’s Prime Minister Joseph John Gutee's recent activities in the Southwest as he urges local populations to contribute to the peace restoration process. Meanwhile, military adjustments are on the horizon with a mandate to change tactics against increasingly sophisticated separatists. The show debates whether the Major National Dialogue has made significant strides in achieving its peace-centered objectives two years post-implementation.

The conversation takes a cultural turn as panelists discuss the evolving role of traditional leaders, or Fons, amidst regional tensions. Fons are expected to be unbiased symbols of cultural identity and unity, yet some have become embroiled in party politics, leading to debates about their role. This discussion frames questions of cultural modernization and the preservation of traditional values as challenges facing the NW and SW regions of Cameroon.

As the program continues, media coverage and public perceptiveness on the peace dialogue's effectiveness are scrutinized. Despite government efforts to foster dialogue and implement reconstruction plans, significant obstacles remain. The guests highlight the importance of authentic representation and grassroots engagement in any dialogue processes, emphasizing that solutions must be both culturally sensitive and inclusive to be effective.

Chapters

• 00:00 - 00:30: Introduction and Opening Remarks by CRTV Host The chapter titled 'Introduction and Opening Remarks by CRTV Host' begins with a musical introduction, setting a formal tone for the Press Hour on CRTV. The host greets viewers and highlights the key event of Prime Minister Joseph John Gutee's visit to Cameroon's Southwest region. During this visit, Gutee called upon the residents of both the Northwest and Southwest regions to actively participate in efforts to restore peace and stability in their areas. The chapter sets the stage for discussions likely focusing on regional security and governmental initiatives.
• 00:30 - 01:00: Visit of Cameroon's Prime Minister to Southwest Region This chapter discusses the visit of Cameroon's Prime Minister to the Southwest Region in the context of the ongoing conflict. It highlights a call for peace amidst tensions, especially after the Minister Delegate at the Presidency in charge of Defense, Joseph Betty Asomo, was in the Northwest Region advocating for a change in military tactics to combat increasingly sophisticated separatist fighters. This situation reflects the fragile balance between peace and war in the Northwest and Southwest Regions, two years after the major national dialogue.
• 01:00 - 01:30: Discussion on Military Tactics and Separatist Fighters in Northwest Region The chapter discusses military tactics and separatist fighters in Cameroon's Northwest region. The dialogue focuses on efforts to stop the ongoing crisis in the area. There is mention of royal backers and the influence of traditions on the situation in Cameroon's Northwest and Southwest regions. The program features a guest, His Royal Highness Bayern Sikh, who engages in the discussion regarding these issues.
• 01:30 - 02:00: Highlighting the Major National Dialogue and its Outcomes The chapter focuses on an interview with Reverend Humphrey Tatamgui, a notable figure in the Roman Catholic Church and an accomplished author. The discussion aims to explore significant insights from his perspective, potentially touching on themes related to the national dialogue and its effects, while setting the stage for further examination of contemporary issues highlighted in the media.
• 02:00 - 02:30: Introduction of Guests: His Royal Highness and Reverend Humphrey Tatamgui This chapter discusses the visit of His Royal Highness and Reverend Humphrey Tatamgui amidst the ongoing crisis in the northwest and southwest regions. It covers the media's focus on the event as reported by various newspapers. The prime minister's visit to Boya with a message of peace is highlighted, noting President Bia's role in dispatching him. The potential for dialogue to address the crisis is indicated, and the reconstruction efforts and challenges in these regions are examined. The chapter reflects the determination of the southwest population despite prevailing issues.
• 02:30 - 03:00: Review of Weekly Newspaper Headlines The chapter covers various newspaper headlines focused on the actions and statements of PM Dion Gute. The Guardian Post highlights a 'hero's welcome' for the PM as he encourages citizens to rethink and rebuild. The Horizon emphasizes a government reconstruction plan seeking 78.6 billion France to rebuild the Northwest and Southwest regions. Additionally, The Implementation features updates on municipal projects in the Southwest, noting PM Guter's efforts to endear himself to the local population.
• 03:00 - 04:00: Analysis of Prime Minister's Visit and Military Changes The chapter discusses a significant event where 15 soldiers were killed in Goku Tunja at the Guardian Post Bama Singh Buchuri, which sparked public indignation.
• 04:00 - 04:30: Reflections on Cameroon's Anglophone Crisis and International Silence The chapter discusses Cameroon's Anglophone crisis and the international community's lack of response. It raises questions about the nature of the government's actions, wondering if they are attempting dialogue or increasing tensions, leaving the population uncertain. The chapter highlights concerns over the silence from foreign bodies regarding the crisis, especially when half of the Anglophone crisis internally displaced persons (IDPs) are at risk of sexual violence and trafficking, as reported by the Guardian Post and the Territorial Administration.
• 04:30 - 05:00: Impact of Reconstruction Plan and Economic Updates The chapter discusses the proactive measures taken by the minister to tackle organized crime in the northern region of Cameroon. Meanwhile, unrest among workers is evident as CDC workers announce a four-day strike. Economic hardships are highlighted by a reference to unpaid salaries for faker food presidency in the post-weekender. Political aspirations surface with declarations for positions in the faker food sector in the southwest by personalities in various media outlets, including the Guardian Post and EDA Newspaper. The chapter closes on a positive note celebrating Cameroon's victory in female volleyball, marking them as African champions.
• 05:00 - 05:30: Discussion on High-profile Incidents Involving Cameroon's Military and AMBA The chapter discusses high-profile incidents involving Cameroon's military and AMBA. It begins with mentions of congratulations from President Pogba and a story from the Cameroon Tribune about Pastor Yandy using football to preach the gospel. A 2020 report from News Watch highlights Cameroon's loss of 17 billion CFA due to corruption the previous year. The chapter also covers the disappearance of the Fon of Camby, which was widely reported by papers that week. It concludes with a legal battle scenario detailed in Cameroon Insider, suggesting a contentious legal climate.
• 05:30 - 06:00: Exploring Social and Political Context in Cameroon The chapter discusses the confusion surrounding the management of a TV reality show in Cameroon. It highlights issues caused by disagreements among the show's managers, which left the public unsure about the details of an official event related to the show. This situation occurred after a legal injunction was issued by a court in Boya on September 17, following a complaint from one of the managers of the show's first edition. The situation reflects broader social and political dynamics in the country.
• 06:00 - 07:00: Roundtable Discussion: Analysis of Current Events in Cameroon This chapter covers a roundtable discussion focusing on key current events in Cameroon. It starts with the moderator introducing the topics that have been trending during the week. The initial point of discussion is the killing of 15 soldiers in the Goku region, part of the By missing division. The incident has been a major news item throughout the week, drawing attention due to its tragic nature.
• 07:00 - 07:30: Challenges in Peace Efforts and Military Strategies This chapter delves into the complexities of peace efforts and military strategies, highlighting the often-criticized role of foreign bodies. These organizations are quick to condemn military actions while remaining silent on the provocative actions of separatists. The lack of balanced reactions from international observers is underscored, pointing out the challenges faced in achieving peace and fairness in military engagements.
• 07:30 - 08:00: Crisis Management and Political Dynamics in Cameroon The chapter discusses the use of anti-rocket missiles against soldiers in areas populated by civilians, leading to significant civilian casualties. It also highlights the Prime Minister's visit to the southwest region of Cameroon to assess the situation.
• 08:00 - 08:30: Perspectives on Cameroon's Reconstruction and Development The chapter discusses perspectives on the reconstruction and development of Cameroon, highlighting the outcomes of the major national dialogue that took place two years prior. It notes the successful visit of the Prime Minister, characterized by a large turnout and meaningful discussions that captured public and media attention.
• 08:30 - 09:00: Observations on Political Accountability and African Integration The chapter discusses the recent news of an individual named Elfis who has announced his candidacy for the FA top position in Cameroon. There is ongoing debate regarding his nationality and eligibility. The focus, however, is asserted to be on football laws rather than nationality laws.
• 09:00 - 10:00: Reflection on the Anglophone Crisis and Proposals for Peace The chapter delves into reflections on the ongoing Anglophone crisis in Cameroon and explores various proposals for achieving peace. It starts by discussing the intersection of international regulations, specifically FIFA laws, with national laws and the implications for individuals aiming for top positions within sports organizations. The speaker poses a critical question regarding the supremacy of international laws over national laws, sparking a thought-provoking discussion. Additionally, there is a mention of a newspaper review that captured the speaker's attention, touching on four significant issues, with the first being an unspecified 'damage' mentioned at the end of the transcript.
• 10:00 - 10:30: Role of Traditional Leaders in Cameroon's Sociopolitical Landscape The chapter discusses the role and impact of traditional leaders within the sociopolitical context of Cameroon. It starts with the disappearance of a prominent leader, highlighting his exemplary status and the resulting collective grief experienced by the people. The narrative also touches on the continuity of leadership, expressing both the loss and the enduring nature of traditional leadership in the community.
• 10:30 - 11:00: Discussion on the Influence of Politics on Traditional Leadership The chapter discusses the ongoing violence in Bamising despite a belief that normalcy was returning. It questions the passivity in the face of these gruesome killings and explores the connection between political influence and traditional leadership.
• 11:00 - 11:30: Views on Traditional Ruler's Neutrality and its Importance The chapter discusses the importance of neutrality among traditional rulers and highlights the necessity to face challenges directly and make necessary corrections. It mentions the Prime Minister, Chief Dr. Dion Guter, and notes his message promoting peace, which attracted significant attention. Despite calls for boycott, there was a strong and impressive turnout, emphasizing the value placed on neutrality and peace.
• 11:30 - 12:00: Comments on Traditional Authority and Modern Challenges The northwest region is experiencing ongoing conflict, with rising difficulties.
• 12:00 - 12:30: Fundamental Charge on Leadership and Cultural Heritage The chapter discusses the need for re-strategizing in governance and military actions. It highlights the perception that the military's movement to the northwest, involving heavy artillery, calls for a careful assessment of its impact, whether positive or negative. The emphasis is on the necessity for the government to rethink its strategies to prevent further atrocities and to make impactful decisions.
• 12:30 - 13:30: Reactions from Social Media on Traditional Leadership and Dialogue This chapter discusses the reactions from social media on traditional leadership and dialogue, focusing on the issues of consistency in communication and the benefits brought by national sports achievements. A significant point of discussion is the idea of dual nationality, which was a popular topic during the national dialogue. The chapter highlights the importance of leveraging talents both in and out of the country and questions why such talents should be restricted.
• 13:30 - 14:00: Conclusion and Final Remarks by CRTV Host and Guests The chapter discusses the contribution of Cameroonians, specifically highlighting a Cameroonian involvement in a GPS-related initiative, emphasizing untapped potential in local talents.

CRTV - PRESS HOUR - (NW/SW : CAN MND HELP to PACIFY ? - The FONS and ROYALITY) - 26th September 2021 Transcription

• 00:00 - 00:30 [Music] greetings and welcome to press hour on cr tv cameroon's prime minister joseph john gutee was in the southwest region this week he urged the populations of the north west and southwest regions to contribute to the restoration of
• 00:30 - 01:00 definite peace this call came as the minister delegate at the presidency in church of defense joseph betty asomo was in the northwest region ordering for an immediate change of military tactics to crush separatist fighters who are getting increasingly sophisticated with our weaponry supplies between peace and war we are finding out where the north west and southwest regions both find themselves two years after the major national dialogue we are
• 01:00 - 01:30 also asking how the dialogue has helped to stop the crisis and have you heard of royal backers some funds are said to have descended from reality to commoners how is this adaptation of traditions affecting cameroon's north west and southwest regions why and how is camus getting to this level and so we have with us his royal highness bayern sikh welcome to the program majesty thank you edwin for having me here today
• 01:30 - 02:00 of course reverend for the humphrey tatamgui who is of the catholic roman catholic church who is also an author written so many books reverend welcome to the program the pleasure is always mine to set the ball rolling let's have a manuela venue with what the newspapers
• 02:00 - 02:30 reported during the week the crisis in the northwest southwest regions flood newspaper colonies the week ending prime minister is in boya with a message of peace in cameron tribune the star highlights that the pm has been dispatched to boya by president bia then pm leaves door open for dialogue in the sun and the strides and challenges of the northwest southwest reconstruction are x-rayed in the eden to a southwest population that defied
• 02:30 - 03:00 lockdown to give pm dion guter heroes welcome in the guardian post as pm tells the population it is time to rethink and rebuild in municipal updates the horizon says there is no turning back in the reconstruction plan as the government goes in search of 78.6 billion france to reconstruct northwest and southwest in the post the implementation municipal update says gets fresh touch as pm dion gute charms population of southwest in
• 03:00 - 03:30 the median happening at the time there is indignation as 15 soldiers are killed in goku tunja in the guardian post bama singh buchuri that calls out to yande in the median a call heeded by defense minister who announces adjustments in cameron tribune then hints of new strategies against amber the voice weekender sees pm to boya with carrod while defense minister to bermanda with stick especially as military vows to
• 03:30 - 04:00 crush general no pt gang in in-depth news making the horizon to question if this move is dialogue or upping the anti thereby throwing the population in uncertainty in newswatch they are is however worried about the provocative silence of foreign bodies in the phase of this crisis when 50 of anglophone crisis idps risk sexual violence and trafficking according to a report in the guardian post territorial administration
• 04:00 - 04:30 minister then rallies the north region to push back organized crime in cameroon insider at the time cdc workers announced for four-day strike action in the median a to fees once faker food presidency without salary in the post-weekender and no produce declares for the southwest faker food top job in the guardian post jalaquan jr then makes his intention for southwest faker food in the eda newspaper just when cameroon is african champions in female volleyball as lionesses receive
• 04:30 - 05:00 congratulations from president pogba and cameron tribune at a time pastor yandy uses football to preach the gospel a news watch then connect 2020 report indicates that cameroon lost 17 billion safe reference to corruption last year the disappearance of the fun of camby also formed stories reported by the papers this week let's now end our press review with this story on cameron insider where legal battles rock season
• 05:00 - 05:30 2 of bg237 the wranglings among the managers of the tv reality show are said to have left the public confused as to the official house entry party this after the court in boya issued an injunction on september 17 following a petition filed by one serial accounti manager of the first edition of the event until i come your way again this is your hour with the press thanks emmanuella now richard you just followed what newsmen reported during
• 05:30 - 06:00 the week are these are the things that are topical you've listened to yes okay i think three things caught my attention within the week the first is the um killing of 15 soldiers in uh goku tonight division precisely in by missing you know that incident has made a lot of news uh within the week and uh what is so saddened about it is that um
• 06:00 - 06:30 you know the uh foreign bodies are always quick to condem when the military you know in the course of their uh cutting out their duties will be attack an area you know they'll quickly come out to condemn but it's unfortunate that they have remained so silent i mean that's right in the in the attribution we said the silence is so provocative because they have not come out to react to actually condem the activities of the separatists you
• 06:30 - 07:00 know when they use uh uh anti-rocket missiles against the soldiers and especially within an area that is supposed to be inhabited by civilians i think when you do that so many casualties are going you're going to cause so many casualties you have civilian deaths and the second thing that also caught my attention in the news is the prime minister's uh um visit to the southwest region uh to evaluate you
• 07:00 - 07:30 know some of the recommendations of the major national dialogue two years after and i'm happy that um uh the prime minister's visit from what i watch and i've read in the papers was quite a great success as they turn out and the avalanche of people who came out the discussions that went through uh this uh uh meeting of the the prime minister i think it caught my attention in the news and lastly we
• 07:30 - 08:00 also look at the football where um also in the news this week has been that uh somewhere elfis has declared his intentions to run for the fa top job in cameroon and it is a wait and see us you know i see a lot of debates going on and on whether it is nationality but we think that we are looking at football laws we're not looking at the laws of
• 08:00 - 08:30 cameroon we are looking at fifa laws what does fifa law says when it comes to somebody participating in the top job of any uh fps we're not commenting on that but you do overwrite national laws just a question to ponder number you also followed the newspaper review and suddenly certain things attract your attention yeah certainly i had four four four issues touch my mind i will start by the damage of uh
• 08:30 - 09:00 our legendary phone the disappearance of our phone phone from combat for those of you who know him it's an epitome of every good thing on earth and i i say we've lost somebody in the fandom and i share the grief of the incumbent people see the king is gone long live the king
• 09:00 - 09:30 secondly i want to talk about the gruesome killings in a in bamising again coming at a time when we thought things were gradually returning to to normalcy and it beats my imagination why these killings continue and why we fold our arms and see things happen in front of in front of us
• 09:30 - 10:00 i think it's high time we come and look at things squarely in the face and put things right thirdly i could see the prime minister chief dr dion guter in the southwest what really attracted me was his message of peace and the turnout despite the call for for boycott they turned out massively
• 10:00 - 10:30 i was gearing up to see a continuous full up in the northwest region where we have similar difficulties but at the same time in the northwest region the minister of defense was there asking of energizing the military to get out and commit more atrocities as a father that i am i think you cannot call a child for dialogue and holy weep in your back and respect that when we
• 10:30 - 11:00 have permission the minister did not see the military to come out and commit more atrocities he said the immunity should re-strategize uh re-strategize in what dimension and then if you follow on social media you saw the heavy artillery that were being moved to the to the northwest it i can't imagine at this time whether it is positive or it's negative i think it is time for us to re-strategize it is time for government to re-strategize
• 11:00 - 11:30 you cannot be saying one thing this way and sing the other thing it doesn't help us and lastly for for football we all know what the trophies has done for this country and we clamor during the national dialogue one of the recommendations or what people clamored for was the idea of dual nationality we have a lot of talents in this country out of the country and they perform i don't see a reason why they are going to be stifled from
• 11:30 - 12:00 performing to help us in our country you have a the gps is it's a cameroonian behind it it's a cameroonian behind it all those wasted qualities why do we leave them out at this time that we need them thank you thank you god too prisoner well when i listen to the news review the headlines of the newspapers this week they were actually dominated by the prime minister's visit to the southwest region
• 12:00 - 12:30 to be able to clamor for peace to return to dialogue again with the people because he has been there before and he has gone back there as head of the committee which was in charge of implementing and following up the resolutions that were taken in 2019 that's during the major national dialogue and uh well we see the population's reaction which is to tell you that they really want something good to come out of this if it means sitting down again for a second major national dialogue to be able to review
• 12:30 - 13:00 that which did not go right during the first now the prime minister's visit is actually of interest to me because all i want is that things to return to normalcy because we are getting to the fifth year of the crisis five years duration when a child is born and actually has to go to primary school so it is long time enough and it is ruining a lot of things secondly i will leave uh sports i will leave other things i will talk about uh culture talking about the film industry the reality show that uh cameron you know we must develop
• 13:00 - 13:30 our economy we must develop in different aspects of it the biggie 237 which made its debut last year and which we are expecting it to enter into us with the more impetus this year so us to be able to you know bring the the showbiz business alive in cameroon because some of the things that will help reduce the stress that people are going through well if it is in court or if they are following legal measures we just hope that they resolve it so that entertainment industry can grow in cameroon that's another sector where many young people are entering into and
• 13:30 - 14:00 they need to earn their daily bread and they need to make entertainment one of those sectors that will boost the economy of cameroon the third let me not skip this out the visit of the minister of defense in the northwest region when we talk with family relatives who are back home everybody is on their locks because they are indoors they don't they fear for the unknown because of what is actually building up because it is a kind of a conflict that is mixing up the military the separatist
• 14:00 - 14:30 fighters and the civilians and so you don't know when whose stray bullet would meet you and so the the population is actually in a state of fear let me put it up thank you reverend yeah i think i take off from wordpress and that is a when we have a serious problem it is very um disturbing to use certain words and words are very important in conflict
• 14:30 - 15:00 situations when you are trying to handle the conflict there are certain words you avoid that's why we talk of hate speech should be avoided when we call what's happening in the northwest and southwest a crisis it gives the impression we are minimizing what is actually happening i am not sure that if anybody has stayed there and followed what is happening he will call it a crisis at best it is an armed conflict we are not to
• 15:00 - 15:30 call it a war and that will make and put the thing on the right platform and tell us how we should handle it secondly when we start uh judging either the army or the or the uh non-state uh armed operators and call them names we are definitely making them more and more uh estranged from what we really want i think in the
• 15:30 - 16:00 words of the prime minister we are looking for definite peace thank you let's now go to the first topic and i'm starting with you referencing you want to end it the first question we're asking is if this major national dialogue two years down the line has helped to solve what i call the crisis and what do you call the arms conflict of the war in the north and southwest regions okay let's let's have our words correct we cannot call this a crisis yes let's not get into semantics but um
• 16:00 - 16:30 the armed conflict if it is according to the words of the minister of defense now put on a higher platform because of what the non-state holders of arms are doing it definitely tells you and i that the question you are asking becomes rhetorical it hasn't helped the grand national dialogue has not been able to bring definite peace to the things so our problem should not be has it helped it should be why did it not help and how
• 16:30 - 17:00 can we move forward let's not defend speak as if nothing has happened since the dialogue i have not said that so let's go in the world where we where we live every enterprise looks now at result it is expected results when you go into any endeavor you put your objective and your expected results when you don't get your respect your expected result it means your uh enterprise has not succeeded in what is
• 17:00 - 17:30 set out to do and therefore you look for different strategies now you priscilla you followed the national dialogue you got the recommendations that were made for peace to return a lot of them are made let's first of all look at what was meta resolution before looking at why it's not helping to solve the crisis well moki uh for five days the delegates over 600 of them uh met at the younger conference center to be able to deliberate to look at the root cause of the conflict i'll keep saying it's
• 17:30 - 18:00 conflict for the moment though it is uh really getting serious now they came up with eight recommendations which were supposed to be implemented and followed up by a committee which was set up by the head of state in march 2020. that committee he's been headed by the prime minister and are supposed to meet every six months so as to be able to you know to see what is working and what is not working now amongst them they were supposed to grant a special status for the northwest and southwest regions that's creating the house of chiefs and the regional councils the
• 18:00 - 18:30 house of chiefs of the northwest and southwest and the regional council for the rest is regional assembly and for the rest of the country it has been put in place representatives have been voted i don't know how far it has gone to solve this problem reduce the crisis in the north and southwest region that's the first the second is to take specific measures to ensure that there is quality english and french in every other state issue that is give the two official languages because it's one of the things that you know people from the
• 18:30 - 19:00 northwest and southwest regions were decrying that the english language was being neglected in official documents the people themselves were not given the rightful position that they married and uh so during that dialogue that major national dialogue that was one of the recommendations and so a new song commission was created to be able to put things right that is to help multiculturalism and bilingualism step up a bit and give every group that exists in cameroon its rightful place and give the languages equal
• 19:00 - 19:30 opportunities and equal status well some of the lapses are still there but i don't know if it has helped to solve the crisis we are still to see that and then talk about improving infrastructure when it comes to judicial services that's one of the things you know remember the strike was initiated was ignited by lawyers and teachers lawyers were complaining of you know the place that the common law was being given in the legal situation with cameroon now let's say that the government has done something
• 19:30 - 20:00 by opening the common law training section in the national school of administration and magistracy in them well they are being trained i think the first batch was expected to graduate some some years back i don't know what they are doing on the field if it has improved on that and if they are gearing towards resolving this crisis that's one of the the recommendations that were made there are eight of them maybe i'll come back to someone so now excuse me okay just before you get to the other person are we talking here of recommendations or resolutions
• 20:00 - 20:30 because you don't implement a recommendation you you if it is a recommendation there were some of those issues that had to go through the assembly the head of state to have the enabling decrease they could not call it resolution so you cannot use their recommendations i beg to differ with the fact with our language of hoping to implement a recommendation when i recommend to the head of state it is completely within his powers to decide when to bring them into resolutions that should be implemented just to add
• 20:30 - 21:00 all of the recommendations became resolutions very head of state upon them have they no no have we a text that tells us can you give us one that hasn't been applied no i'm i'm asking the world now i was coming to you one of the issues that happened immediately after was the freedom that was given more than 300 people suspected to have been taking part in this armed conflict then my question to you richard the john
• 21:00 - 21:30 why in spite of all of these things that we have in america many more why is there no peace returning to that part of the country to those parts of the country so i asked the question were there were there only the 300s that were imprisoned because of the crisis the answer is simply no because we still have quite a good number of them in various prisons and the people have been crying that these people should be released whether they are they recognize leaders of the struggle or not but
• 21:30 - 22:00 they are saying that they should be released so that peace should return but if we look at the recommendations that were made and what has been done and what has not been done we realized that most of what has been done are still cosmic resolutions or implementations the real things have not been done you know you want to empower somebody just tell us give financially a few examples
• 22:00 - 22:30 give that person financial autonomy when you give the person financial autonomy then you have strengthened that person look at the case of the original assemblies in june when they met what was their budget they were the buzzer of two point something billion three billion what can another amount do to a region that is supposed to construct roads that is supposed to build classrooms they are supposed to build hospitals what can contributors do is part of a global state budget and the central budget okay the 15 billion
• 22:30 - 23:00 of the state budget was supposed to be included to the regional councils was that done it has not been done if you look at the glasses this is ongoing what is supposed to be done they say it is still on windows the key things have not been realized moki if you look at it the key things have not been touched they still say they are ongoing and those that they know that they can easily do they say completely that have already done it appointing uh or creating the minister
• 23:00 - 23:30 of decentralization well it's done but there are other things the councils that still crying as we speak monkey the christ the councils the various councils are not yet autonomous we still have the senior divisional officers trying to load over these elected officials who often take their uh uh their their projects for the sjo to approve before anything is done and that is stifling development so we think that
• 23:30 - 24:00 these councils have not yet had that full autonomy the original councils are there they are still you know struggling and how if they have given the autonomy how is it that computers are bought from yeondi and sent to the regions why can't they give these councils the authority the autonomy to buy what they need everything is still being uh done from yonder and senator so i think so
• 24:00 - 24:30 much yes yet been done we what has to be done talking i see insist on the fact that those who are imprisoned as thousands of them still in various prisons because of this crisis let them be released the throne that were released after the major national dialogue that was just a tip are you aware that some of them went and were secretly unconfigured and brought back to the same prison whether they were brought back or not monkey those who are there whom these guys whom our brothers and sisters they
• 24:30 - 25:00 are their leaders let them be given the opportunity to have freedom and move and talk to these guys and we'll see whether they will change their highness okay i'm happy that we are here on crtv and stem the heart of the nation i will start by asking what triggered the convening of the grand major national dialogue once we know that
• 25:00 - 25:30 because in the northwest and in the southwest region what were the objectives set out to ensure that schools return that people go around their business as well that they stop killings and let people return back to their villages after the grand national dialogue where are we today are we seeing it is it visible
• 25:30 - 26:00 i will not be a prophet of doom i said there were some limping stripes to towards normalcy if i take the educational sector where i belong i think there has been a movement for people to go back to school but if you look at it critically most of the schools in the periphery they are not operational
• 26:00 - 26:30 most of the schools in the periphery are not operational they call them our boys they call them our children they have taken over why ghost town is still very very powerful for the past or one and a half months you could not go to battle that's the distance just about 40 kilometers we used to pay 1000 people pay 10 000 until they start
• 26:30 - 27:00 calling the other side roads mexico and you can see on bikes do we see we have succeeded no i think the question here is why are we not succeeding in anglo-saxon style we say is teaching time saves nine we missed that point we say we stoop to conquer we missed
• 27:00 - 27:30 that point now we're at the level where we say it is the fear of disgrace that makes a man to eat poison on both sides but again he was the upper hand is a person who is in authority we have to re-strategize just as the military is praying to strategize i think we should put positive strategies now to bring back everybody on the dialogue table cameroon is our country
• 27:30 - 28:00 and thank god father is here one for the good shepherd one sheep one has three they abandoned the 99 to go look for the other one and with us as i say you don't beat the child and throw the child out you beat the child and put the child under the bed you don't beat your child and throw the child with the dirty water there is still chance for us we know that what is happening our sons and daughters the drama boys
• 28:00 - 28:30 are out there in the in the diaspora they're an integral part of all of this if you follow what social media says you will see what i'm talking about thank you and if you want to to do it and keep them out of the show i don't think we're going to not we're going to we're not saying as if nothing really happens because we've got some points and we've had the release of the people out there the uh projects of the bilingualism and multiculturalism and the rest that were done and the involvement of english speakers
• 28:30 - 29:00 please please this is the heart of the nation and let's take the things the way uh if we want to fix them let's be sincere yeah let's be sincere i have said things have happened do we have any problem about bilingualism what's your problem say you go to the market you even jump boxing with pitch and they won't understand we live by that now one more to that the issue there the
• 29:00 - 29:30 issue there is the franchisation of the anglophone that is the main that is the crux of the matter and until we take it from that angle i don't think we're going to make progress let us now go ahead reverend let's look at what should be done we have a second topic no i'm just going to simulate why we are not succeeding because if we start going to what should be we will have a problem we will not have time i will combine the two combine the two yes why are we not succeeding i think the first thing is i earlier said words are very important
• 29:30 - 30:00 what is a dialogue a dialogue is especially listening to the other especially the aggrieved public was the aggrieved party listening to listen to the answer is blowing in the air truth until we find people who can defy everything and speak the truth as it is it doesn't spare us how often we lie a lie does not change a truth into a lie so we must be ready to face the truth and the truth will set us free we must
• 30:00 - 30:30 be ready to face it you can have truth especially if you don't have justice justice means give me what i deserve what is that truth you're talking about the truth is what is the truth about us about this conflict what is it what is the real problem i thought most of people
• 30:30 - 31:00 let it end was what we discussed followed up the people who are concerned know that it was not secondly let us come to you want to dialogue with somebody you look for the person who's causing the real problem don't tell me you don't know them because you know that definitely otherwise you're not fighting a phantom that's that where the people who are grieved listen to thirdly if the truth must be spoken how did we get to where we are in this the whole problem of the lining
• 31:00 - 31:30 is the identity of a people that is here in jeopardy some people talk of the anglo anglophones which i hate people of southern cameroons as if it was a tribe no they are a people who had an identity and we make that further effort and mistake of thinking all the northwest and southwest problems also also has the north and the east etc no the northwest and southwest moki where a people who had a special identity is the only thing except i've
• 31:30 - 32:00 read wrongly the only time that the united nations has let a trusted ship territory go in such a a horrible manner as arsenal did so they have even afford to answer to us why did they let us go this way so we cannot let me just this is a very important issue because that's where people are making mistake if i come to marry a room here and i had already a a a a messages car and she promised me that after the marriage i'll get an helicopter and then he got in love with you and you hadn't even a bicycle when we have all night tied to
• 32:00 - 32:30 her she gives you a bicycle and gives me a motorcycle and i'm complaining about my motorcycle and you're saying but i have only a bicycle because you have never even known what a motorcycle is let alone a message so i can understand the others we came already with certain achievements and we're expecting something more this is where the real problem is coming from and so people should stop uh identifying or equating what is happening northwest and southwest and group them and make them as if they were just any part of this country if we are
• 32:30 - 33:00 history so that i'm finishing monkey we have to go on to justice justice you give me what i deserve if you don't give me what i deserved from morning to evening you will not have achieved my problem our fidelity fidelity to our history i don't care who you are and what anybody is we have an obligation to tell children in cameroon this is how we came to be where we are are we telling people that are we telling them the truth of what has
• 33:00 - 33:30 happened to this country can we not tell the children where the real problem is i made a suggestion when this crisis began get five historians five from e from uh the the francophone side five from the anglophone side let them produce a history of cameroon for us and tell us the truth thank you now let's take one more minute to go out at this topic we'll have the second one and we'll needs to be together please one minute can i say something i want you to conclude because
• 33:30 - 34:00 where i come from when the phone speaks here spoken okay yes uh i would like to step in from where reverend father ended you know the national the major national dialogue was actually something that was called for by almost every person and we had 600 delegates who attended but those who called the shorts were never on the discussion tables that is what he said and um i i work more on social media and i i read people you know people things they can't stand and tell you in the face they'll go and write it there because
• 34:00 - 34:30 you think that they're not being seen but if you follow up the minds of the people on social media you understand that that is where they pour out your minds and if you follow the trends there they actually there was a group of persons who were left out who maybe could have been the ones to help us dick the root cause of the problem because a problem some problems were resolved it's like trying to attack a tree if you want to cut that tree completely so that it stops growing go to the roots now the tree was cut somewhere along the line and the roots are still producing new branches on the storm
• 34:30 - 35:00 which means there is need for us to sit down and exactly what is still causing this fire that is burning you're asking another second major nation i don't know if it should be a major national dialogue or something else richard please one minute please return yes uh okay i think for us to come out of this armed conflict i would not hesitate to say that we should call another dialogue and it should not involve somebody who doesn't know about the crisis or doesn't know what is happening
• 35:00 - 35:30 within the northwest and the southwest regions it should not be a repeat of the major national dialogue that brought people from across the board who had nothing to do with the crisis because like as much as he said the crisis started of the mission national dialogue came as a result of the crisis in the northwest and southwest regions but those who came in to sit and talk about something they don't know were coming from elsewhere they didn't come from the north west and southwest if you look at the percentage but i don't see
• 35:30 - 36:00 how somebody will come and start talking about uh the problem of uh maybe in the east in in in the west or in the north region when it has nothing to do with the crisis in those those other regions had their own problems where they're waiting was the government waiting for this crisis in the northwest and southwest region to start before they will bring in people from other regions to sit and then we start forming commissions here and there which are
• 36:00 - 36:30 commissions just meant to satisfy some group of people so they continue to chop while others continue to suffer thank you in 1993 there was ac one with a declaration i was i took part in that we're angry phones of all walks of life came out and i saw the beginning they risen like one person and they sent a declaration
• 36:30 - 37:00 to the head of state and i'm so particularly happy that during the major national dialogue munzu dr monzo who was the secretary at the time there was present he was still on track with what started out there our president before the world said well cameron is the way it is they wanted to assimilate the people but they are still resisting
• 37:00 - 37:30 i was so happy and thought that was the end of this crisis we expected our president to come back and call the gun oh my picking them my picking them when i come when i come i'll be thinking we'll be doing some fine things for this country but we don't see it gonna have a different side how we go how we go do and you get everybody on board that said it is not still too late it is not still too late when we talk of a dialogue it's unfair complete it's not that you come sit on any word and it's
• 37:30 - 38:00 all ended we have to continue and i think this is the time because the killings are numerous we don't care who dies whether it's a military man or an anglophone it is all blood it's only coming and that weakens the strength of our country we have a lot to play in the sub region everybody stands and look at us i think it is high time because the president talked of inertia when we were growing up we used to hear when it will happen in cameroon
• 38:00 - 38:30 when it will happen in camuro i think the secret service they all know all of us what were they waiting for what were they waiting for let's sit up straight and call speed speed look at eyeball to eyeball and fix our country put all hands on deck has been very much in the news because um he's one of the reasons we're having a second topic he simply has a problem with the way the fundaments in the northwest and southwest region
• 38:30 - 39:00 uh descending into uh political problems now so remember that we were moving humphrey to tambuwai we're moving to our second topic now you have been launching your books and you've written what really motivated the book we are saying the funds are not being respected as they were before um monkey three things come to mind very fast the first is the fund for those who know the anthropology or the set of geopolity of the northwest and southwest
• 39:00 - 39:30 culture matters a lot and it defines a people the phone is not as many people think an individual it is an institution and the person who is in that institution has no right to change the institution in spite of what he thinks as an individual that's why the phone is never spoken of in terms of he she it is they is the majestic plural now when the phone is present
• 39:30 - 40:00 it is the people this is guzon present here it's not just the for the person sitting here who is guza no and because these people have a right to be seen as one the fund is the center of justice is the assembly of all the people and he is seen as a clear sign on unquestionable sign of justice and fair play that's why when
• 40:00 - 40:30 you ever had a problem and run to the palace even if it is against a palestine you are free now when these issues began when we started the funds were gradually being dropped into parties and politics i underlined my word partisan politics the phone is free to do politics like any communion a human being is a animal and therefore you can't stop him from doing from uh voting or from performing his right that is clear but when a fund declares or is made to
• 40:30 - 41:00 declare for one party against the other by that very fact not only does he destroy himself as fun he he divides his own children and he no longer has the right to be there as fun the best thing is for him to disappear because he is supposed to be the epitome of justice and in fact for the government it would be very wonderful if the funds remained neutral because in the northwest if you
• 41:00 - 41:30 know what i'm talking about and in the western region especially west and the northwest whenever the phone spoke everybody listened so the government would have simply with this with this armed conflict gone to the funds if they were neutral and ask them to have the government and to be candid that this problem would have been resolved at the moment but because some of the funds have now switched to one side and against the other the children see therefore no longer as representing what he was so they can
• 41:30 - 42:00 call him by name they can lynch him they can even kidnap him they can do anything to him because he's no longer answering to that institution i think this is what caused me problems and i it was not meant to be non-partisan and does not go to whoever uh wherever you belong as a political uh animal but to for all of us to see this is a cultural legacy okay let me help you but i want the the the middle man and woman here to wait let's hear from the phone
• 42:00 - 42:30 why have you if what he's saying is right you as funds decided to desecrate a tradition that people gave you to manage for them it's not all of you the fonts i know i understand i'm a language it is the funds i've done that that's why you see them most of them do that again why have some of you the funds decided to disagree a tradition the people's tradition when you say the phones have desecrated a people's tradition
• 42:30 - 43:00 i want to to ask the role of a phone is to sit above his people that is why they will call the phone bad bear the fire that burns you you still run to that to that fire they take the phone as the mother hand that sits and covers all the eggs
• 43:00 - 43:30 waiting for it and chino achebe says the phone or in any great man's compound there are people of all walks of life and in the fundum the phone has people of all walks of life whom he is supposed to to protect from what father said i think politics has come in to play a negative rule in this friendship and as she rightly said
• 43:30 - 44:00 i i am one of them who will see the phone do he has his right to play his politics the way he wants but he should not be be partisan once you decide to choose that you belong to this party i bet you things in your phonedom can never be the same again it's the same thing like in your fundum amongst all your children as they are moving by you know who will become your successor but if you go ahead and choose that this
• 44:00 - 44:30 is going to be my successor i'll tell you you know what happens in africa has a mistake that child that they are successful will not will not try to okay let's listen to you guys what was your observation when you saw this topic and when you read uh humphrey tambouri unfortunately i've not read father's book but i i'm sure after when i saw this topic uh i think my memories went back before
• 44:30 - 45:00 this crisis because the phones about our fathers being described today as commoners years back they were described as royal beggars and for the simple reason moki that you know in the northwest let me talk about the north west where i come from you know the phones they had uh the the defense as there was a false association there was a funds conference
• 45:00 - 45:30 and finally they had the funds in the northwest france union which things were moving on very well the phones were united and it came at that time you know to stop the inter-tribal conflicts that used to be part and parcel of fandoms in the northwest and the uh subjects used to you know pay allegiance they know that on certain days of the week they have to go to
• 45:30 - 46:00 greet the phone and give things to the palace because that is where the the palace is like the center where everybody comes to unite and until you know some of these phones started fighting with a subject for political uh post things started to disintegrate i remember um tomfo based on nico haley yeah i mean he did so well to bring the force together and he encouraged them to avoid this type of
• 46:00 - 46:30 partisan politics but i understand that they they did the knowefu project it's okay that which is in my my for my my point my phone queen and today what has become of that secretary that it is now a shadow of itself and because phones now they started fighting you know when they get into politics money was no longer coming in and when the the problem said when money came in for that project money some people decided
• 46:30 - 47:00 to to to pinch and put in their pockets and ask but can we have an account of this and when we were asked to give an account he became a bad person and since then some politicians use that as a a apply to completely disintegrate the form making them to fight with the subjects of a political uh post and that is why some of them have today become royal beggars they cannot even go back to their policies in spite of this crisis they talk now
• 47:00 - 47:30 nobody listens we think our phones are supposed to play a neutral role they are not supposed to you know become so partisan that they compete in political positions with their subjects we know the tradition we have even worked on blood to go to the present one month we are coming to you let's listen to one person on this topic that is uh priscilla thank you very much five minutes i thought you were going to sideline no i can't we cannot do that
• 47:30 - 48:00 now i want to take us down the history of cameroon i read camaron history before the colonialists came in cameroon is a constitution of powerful chiefdoms and fundums good which means they were strong enough to run their own governments and their people were subjects to them and they would rule all powerfully and they could organize and fight even against the colonialists now down the lane everything has happened the people who because of the corrupt state of their minds have decided to infiltrate these royal
• 48:00 - 48:30 personalities and corrupted their spirits and they have become what most of them have become what they are today i'll take you to i visited the the palace of the the the king the traditional law of wagaduku chief uh mogu naba wango who has been on the throne since 1983 and is a university professor and a writer now there was a crisis in burkina faso in 2015 when the government of blessed campaign now the people the the country was plunged into chaos and they asked themselves why
• 48:30 - 49:00 should we be kidding ourselves that is the man who reunited burkina faso and there is a bbc article that titles him the mediator king which means he is the one who put that country back on rail imagine the strength that traditional rulers can have to bring peace in the situation if you have corrupted them how can they stand to be those same neutral people to be able to resolve problems now i will say that most of the phones have become commoners because they have participated in things of commoners
• 49:00 - 49:30 they will go to the same bars like other commoners share the same women like other commoners they were royal personalities you had to stand differently and do things differently i didn't attack me but president let's have some reactions
• 49:30 - 50:00 we'll be having social media every sticky out to you yes uh edwin there have been acquired a good number of reactions uh we begin straight away with prince mother obi sa mujica which is the national dialogue has a long way to go in terms of implementation and what has been done so far it concerns them as peanut i know most worksheet has to be done in the implementation of the resolutions while says he believes dialogue is a process
• 50:00 - 50:30 and let the process continue so blessed year says greed and long truth has reduced some of our forms to mere bigger than almost every in every sphere of society and accepting partisan politics has been at the center stage of this thing and funds to remain neutral while tata napoleon says a major national dialogue always uh escort he still has a long way to go and uh there should be more
• 50:30 - 51:00 inclusiveness in the discussions why paco parkson says uh the crisis in the north central sees if the approach is changed and even there is a more frank dialogue with all uh parties uh involved and it continues by saying that that is napoleon says that funds from royalty to communists uh is why i should i hold strongly to the fact that foreign involvement in politics
• 51:00 - 51:30 has uh played a contra a central role in their fall while anger leonard in gala says if we think of the major national dialogue to stop the crisis then there is a problem and we need to help the government to find lasting solutions to the problem and it continues by saying that if you want to solve a problem talk to your enemy and not to your friends and mary killachin says
• 51:30 - 52:00 let there be talks with all parties under the truth be told that peace can return lambert's kevin says i suggest a real dialogue should be made and all those in jail should be involved in the discussions and gang verdex says we should copy uh from other countries are important ideas that bring development and rather than leaving the youth lazy and quine jacob says that the special
• 52:00 - 52:30 status should be better explained to him and mulu simon says the pity the government is persistent with the wrong approach the government declared a ceasefire meet with the leaders of the crisis and we conclude with uh with them go to timah who says the pm is trying to do a wonderful job unfortunately for him some top government officials and some officials in defense are in the opposite direction i want to thank you very much everything yeah there are quite a good number of them and we can order it all today yeah
• 52:30 - 53:00 but you can see keep on following us on our facebook page keep the comments coming and i'm sure taking will trying to explain to people who are watching us now now let us conclude please i'll give 45 seconds each because if not we'll not have time to go now maybe 45 seconds to come why are you wait for what let me go by the genesis of the funds coming together it will play traditional democrat the diplomacy before the forming of the northwest funds union on the northwest conference funds used to meet as one on one-on-one with their peers today they come to this
• 53:00 - 53:30 phandom and when they are going to this fundament all sons and daughters of the order from them they converge there inconveniently they sit together they talk and discuss and see how they can move the place forward but because of position trying to position themselves whereas god has already given you a natural position they got themselves they would winked by politicians because they thought that they could bring them in to use some traditional instruments to get make them gain favors and that is why
• 53:30 - 54:00 it was now as if if you don't support this politician he will give you a bad name there was a lot of backstabbing there was a lot of no hypocrisy in all of these 45 seconds which is not taking us anywhere chef police politicians thank you richard okay it's not still late for our father's day funds to go back especially those of them who have been loitering around the streets
• 54:00 - 54:30 of yaundedual and other regions to go back to the villages and actually tell the people my children please if i uh i made mistakes somewhere i'm begging for your pardon accept me and let us sit and talk so that peace can return back in our village if we continue to think that all rival soldiers would come on us then they will continue to be described
• 54:30 - 55:00 as con commoners so i think our fathers their phones should go back to the villages those of them were in yahoo and they should go back to the villages and try to talk with their population prisoner yes uh if there's any proposal i will give is that the powers that these traditional rulers carry on the day they were enthroned the day of the coronation they still have them which means that they just need to come back to themselves and let these politicians allow them play the role they have to play in their communities they can go
• 55:00 - 55:30 back and make peace with their ancestors and they will become the same people they used to be because they have been given powers on the day of coronation and those powers are not taken away by anybody except they want to throw them away so they can play this role of what i excited the case of the the traditional of the mostly people who has played a very important role our traditional us still have the power to unite the people who want to go to the funds dance we want to go participate in traditional events in the villages we are missing out on that i want to go from one side reverend i think i have three things just to say in 45 seconds yes the first
• 55:30 - 56:00 thing is i am pleading in the words of pope francis that wrote to our head of state is to call a ceasefire and a ceasefire is not surrender a ceasefire means let's stop fighting before we can talk you can't talk while there are war there are weapons going on the pope said that and he'd put it very clearly the secretary of state and the vatican came here and said exactly the same let's call for a ceasefire and start listening normally secondly in an unconflicted dialogue means listen to the aggrieved person to the person
• 56:00 - 56:30 who is hurt if the person who is hurt is not being listened to he'll continue doing things which you know sometimes when your mother doesn't listen to you you shut up the window just to call for attention 20 seconds and then finally to the funds and the people of the northwest and southwest i would say our funds some went wrong somewhere let's accept something went wrong but let us reconstruct this whole thing and find ways of their sustainability how they should be sustained in their policies that we can do on our own and
• 56:30 - 57:00 let everyone now reconsecrate their land and then we can start going forward thank you very much and lastly in a chess game you always protect your king yeah and even even in traditional circles when there was war between this village and this village they take the king and keep him somewhere when things normalize him let us hurry up and we'll go back this is in the chess game the king is being protected what want to thank the
• 57:00 - 57:30 fun of guzang is where her name is bayam sikh iii want to thank reverend for the humphrey the time we who is a clergy and an author want to thank richard la jung who is journalist and publisher of the herald tribune and president loom journalist working with crtv i am moki edwin kinsey kenya only thank you for watching [Music] crt news