Unauthorized Protests Stir Tensions in Cameroon

CRTV - PRESS HOUR - (UNAUTHORISED PROTEST CALL - NW/SW RECONSTRUCTUION MANUAL) - 20th September 2020

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Summary

The CRTV's Press Hour on September 20, 2020, hosted a heated discussion around the upcoming unauthorized protest planned by an opposition party in Cameroon. The government views it as an insurrection, and human rights groups see it as defiance. The show featured legal experts, media personalities, and civil society voices deliberating over the legality and potential repercussions of such a protest. Meanwhile, a reconstruction plan for North West and South West regions, ravaged by conflict, was discussed to see how it could move forward among the unrest.

Highlights

Fiery debates on the legality of planned protests and their implications for national peace🔥.
Insightful legal perspectives on unauthorized protests from Barrister Munjam Fombat 📚.
Discussions on the reconstruction manual for the conflict-torn North West and South West regions 🏢.
Pressures on the state apparatus to manage civil unrest while promoting development 🤹‍♂️.
Calls for democratic processes and open dialogue to resolve tensions 📣.

Key Takeaways

Unauthorized protests are creating tension in Cameroon, viewed as insurrection by the government and a right by others 🎭.
The law provides clear paths for protests, but questions arise on how these are interpreted in practice 📜.
Cameroon's reconstruction efforts in conflict zones aim to restore peace and rebuild communities 🏗️.
Public sentiment varies greatly, reflecting a nation divided on political repression and the right to protest 🤔.
Key conversations highlight a call for more transparency and procedural clarity in both protest management and reconstruction efforts 📢.

Overview

CRTV's 'Press Hour' addressed the rising tensions in Cameroon due to the opposition's planned protest. The government has labeled it an insurrection, leading to a heated debate on the right to protest versus national security. With guests from various sectors, the show explored the legal frameworks guiding such demonstrations, and what repercussions organizers might face.

Another focal point was the presidential plan for reconstructing Cameroon’s North West and South West regions, seeking to restore community infrastructures and rebuild trust. Discussions included the procedural manual presented to guide the reconstruction efforts, prompting a blend of hope and skepticism about its implementation amidst ongoing tensions.

The episode underscored the complexity of managing political dissent in a fragile state environment. It emphasized the need for legal clarity, citizen engagement, and transparent procedures. Viewers were left with a broader understanding of the challenges facing Cameroon and the paths that could lead to a more stable, inclusive society.

Chapters

00:00 - 00:30: Introduction and Overview The chapter titled 'Introduction and Overview' begins with music, setting the tone for the content to follow.
00:30 - 35:00: Discussion on Unauthorized Protest in Cameroon The chapter discusses the tension in Cameroon due to an unauthorized protest march planned by an opposition party. The state views this as an insurrection, while some human rights organizations describe it in less severe terms, leading to a clash of perspectives on the protest's legitimacy and implications.
35:00 - 50:00: Legal Procedures and Observations The chapter titled 'Legal Procedures and Observations' includes a discussion on legal accountability and the examination of the steering committee involved in the presidential plan for the reconstruction of the North West and South West regions. This meeting, chaired by the prime minister, took place during the week and focused on strategic developments.
50:00 - 85:00: Northwest and Southwest Reconstruction Plan This chapter discusses the procedural manual for the reconstruction efforts in the Northwest and Southwest regions. It explores the future steps in the context of a potentially diminishing conflict. The discussion includes insights from Madame Moma B. Yvonne, a civil society activist, who is present to provide her perspectives on the panel.
85:00 - 95:00: Public Reactions and Conclusion The chapter features a panel discussion with a lawyer, Barista Munjam Fombat, who provides legal interpretations on issues regarding unauthorized actions and the implications of obstinacy in such contexts.
95:00 - 100:00: Closing Remarks and Credits In the Closing Remarks and Credits chapter, the program signs off with a guest, Victor Cham, who is a publisher for the Municipal Updates Newspaper. The conversation touches on the presidential plan for reconstructing the northwest and southwest regions. The host, Kilian, expresses gratitude for Cham's participation, noting the presence of Madame Yvonne and Barista Outlaw as well. The chapter provides a conclusive end to the program, encapsulating the key discussion points addressed in this segment.

CRTV - PRESS HOUR - (UNAUTHORISED PROTEST CALL - NW/SW RECONSTRUCTUION MANUAL) - 20th September 2020 Transcription

00:00 - 00:30 [Music]
00:30 - 01:00 we are pleased to have you today on today's edition of press ah the atmosphere in cameroon stands ahead of the unauthorized plan protest match by an opposition party the state sees it as an insurrection some human rights and non-governmental organizations describe it as heretic press r today focuses on where such an obstinate position
01:00 - 01:30 can face the law and we also going to look at the steering committee the second uh steering committee of the presidential plan for the reconstruction of the north west and southwest regions then met this week during the the week and it was cheered by the prime minister the steering committee came up with a
01:30 - 02:00 procedural manual on how to proceed to go on with the reconstruction that also we are going to look at the way forward now that we hope that the war may be getting watered down whatever we are going to discuss that on press r and to talk about the panel we have to my right madame moma b yvonne a civil society activist welcome to the program thank you kilian
02:00 - 02:30 the pleasure is mine good afternoon fellow panelists and good afternoon cameronians we have a man of law a barista law barista munjam fombat who is going to tell us what the law says when the the the something is unauthorized by the law and somebody is up to obstinate and wants to go ahead with it it's going to give us the interpretation
02:30 - 03:00 and read the law welcome to the program thank you it's a pleasure being alone once more we have to the extreme left victor cham victor cham is the publisher of municipal updates newspaper victor cham you know so much about the presidential plan for the reconstruction of the north west and southwest regions welcome to the program thank you very much kilian glad to be on board with madame yvonne and the barista outlaw
03:00 - 03:30 hope will be an interesting outing today yes and now we have uh one of our guests who should be coming into the studio and a moment from now we talked with him he said he was on the way he will meet us that is eugene eugene the eugene d is the publisher of newswatch newspaper and we're going to set the ball rolling with the first thing on the program
03:30 - 04:00 which is the week in review in our regular slot press review done for us by emmanuella bernie manuela the planned protest march by members of mercy becomes that one subject running through most newspaper columns this week the guardian post headlines panicky government goes gaga then swings into action against a mercy before center literal governors ban
04:00 - 04:30 unauthorized rallies to counter camto on the horizon as the median sees yandee dwala on red alert as camta instills panic in it today government weighs into caution against such a march on cameroon tribune the government's battle line is then drawn for anti-bia protesters on the sun even as capital recruiting opposition leaders to back anti-bia regime protest on the guardian post government reads riot act on cameron
04:30 - 05:00 inside and says no responsible government can sit and watch insurrection against a democratically elected president the guardian post thinks governments fire for fire approach could backfire the embattled government invokes terrorism law then covet 19 to justify ban on campos march on the horizon then bemenda is paralyzed as military battles armed groups on the
05:00 - 05:30 sun newspaper before governor wants civilian collaboration on operation bermanda clean on the advocate even as the star doesn't seem to understand who is cleaning what in operation bemenda clean the bermenda city mayor sees decision beat appeal to stop crisis on the herald tribune just when the post-weekender presents housing dams police are fleecing money from vulnerable population in repeated
05:30 - 06:00 reads in boya the rumbles of regional council elections then come anew on the eden newspaper as municipal updates sees fireworks nationwide cameron tribune then anticipates a decisive weekend for candidates of regional elections these are skimming lobbying fighting over regional council seats intensify on the post weekend the horizon then tells its readers towards what it headlines cameroon claims early victory over
06:00 - 06:30 kovite 19. blood banks then run dry as kov 19 crisis in northwest southwest scares donors on the guardian post cameron tribune presents six months of resilience in the fight against kovite 19 and bishop cleda celebrates international strides of the kovit 19 medication on the same paper president paul b is then invited to brezza view on cameroon insider as cameroon tribune reports
06:30 - 07:00 poor beer invited for the colloquium to mark 60 years of independence then oroko balondo's come fully unmasked on the star newspaper as the post questions will cdc be buried in same grave as marketing board the guardian post rather takes interest on pwd of bermanda that risk disqualification from calf championship we end our press review on a light-hearted mood a native doctor and two others have been
07:00 - 07:30 arrested by police in limbe southwest region of cameroon for attempting to use passengers for ritual purposes the passengers who had supposedly boarded a private carved one on this closed destination while on the way the driver pulled over removed a coffin and said he was about to sacrifice them for rituals the victims narrowly escaped while alerting the police who got to the scene arrested the driver who later disclosed
07:30 - 08:00 his accomplices they are currently gnashing their teeth behind bars in boya until i come your way again this is your hour with a press thank you very much emmanuella family for the press review we going to introduce our first topic our first topic is unauthorized protest course can organizers face the law uh that's
08:00 - 08:30 our first topic we just begin by talking about the atmosphere because um just that uh unauthorized plan protests has mobilized so many people mobilize state machinery to make sure as the state says they will not permit insurrection when you look at the atmosphere what do you have to say how do you read the atmosphere yvonne i am so disheartened with what i'm
08:30 - 09:00 seeing obtaining in cameroon unauthorized protest match how did it become headlines until the whole of cameroon is talking about this i thought the law says if somebody applies or declares a public manifestation and the authority says that it's not okay for that to hold they can stop that person did
09:00 - 09:30 this political party endue from deposit applications why did these two governors go to ban something that the law has already taken care of are we not giving this event too much publicity than it deserves let us say you are taking it from the conclusion point of view it's a follow-up to similar activities and in public places especially security
09:30 - 10:00 cycles they prefer to overdo something rather than let it go out of hand and they regret they have the yam and the knife they know who wants to do what and when that person wants to do it or a group of persons wait rather than do the publicity they are cameroonians who learned about it because of the over-mediatization of the ban and the militarization
10:00 - 10:30 yesterday i live at ctv from there to town i will not count the number of cannons i met big big trucks military men in gear why that publicity uh victor cham the state has to show to dissuade anybody who especially is planning um to disrespect to incite action against state institutions i think
10:30 - 11:00 yeah that's right that's right uh what madame just said i think the two governors did not cite any political parts or any individual they were taking precautions in case of any event eventuality so we cannot say that it was mrc or it was mr canto and the mrsa saga that has gained a lot of popularity since last week till date speaks uh volumes of
11:00 - 11:30 frustration and confusion from the party itself there are the militants who are out there on social media and new media for getting it they advance media outings but they go behind and they instigate and inspire those things and that is why i often say political parties get back from the sovereign masses through elections not from the streets
11:30 - 12:00 yes we're going to welcome the eugene d we announced you you probably had some issues coming we're happy you are here with us welcome to the program thank you the issues may be related to what yvonne just said the military all over and then the controls are so many yes you have to be identified at more than three spots before from from take us to neighborhood to mala 2 you have to be identified at 3 sports
12:00 - 12:30 you show your id card you show who you are you answer some questions which i don't think were very necessary yeah i'm going to take it from from where you you stopped you the he's calling the name of the party the crm because that is the party and the leader it is not an isolated event concerning the same party and we know of the what happened before and we know the consequences so you
12:30 - 13:00 cannot say the state is overdoing it because it's following what had been done trying to preempt such a a recurrence kilian the state is doing what they think is right but barista former is here the right to protest we're going to go to the right to protest is the right of every cameroonian it's the rider is giving to camaro every cameroonian but it's a phone but yeah i'll say i'm not wrong it is
13:00 - 13:30 cameroonians are right fully so given that right to protest right but when you say uh on authorized protest when a protest has not yet taken place it has been it has been no no the one we are talking about has not taken place but you you you tame it unauthorized it it's not fair it is not fair well you can protest on authorized i'm speaking because i know a barista and law is here you can only say a protest is
13:30 - 14:00 unauthorized if it has taken place and you you go to where they are protesting and say where is your where is your authorization to protest and they don't have but when you start taming it when it is a problem in a country that claims to be peaceful like something that claims to be peaceful like cameroon i think they should be given that right to protest eugene let me let me stay with uh with you there is a procedure we're going to go to the barrister he's going to give us all the procedure but for now we know that you are talking
14:00 - 14:30 about the day of the event but before the day of the event comes yes you have to announce and that announcement comes must have an agreement yes an authorization so if you tumble your authorization and the person who is uh competent to do that does not and you go ahead please let me let me come here yeah the agenda is clear the agenda is clear is
14:30 - 15:00 asking people to incite what the government has called insurrection you know the agenda before they know you know the agenda before they declare the the protest no the protest is clear the terms of the protests are clear okay we're going to just ask you you know but i don't know i know there is a protest there is a protest that is going to take place there is a protest that is going to take place on the 22nd i haven't read what of the agenda is okay probably you didn't read your
15:00 - 15:30 communication process the right to protest should be given to you know somebody already didn't read it somebody read what i read the two communications yes from both governors there were three there was one from the governor i saw you ready there was one from the governor of the west i'm talking about i read two communities three good governor of the center governor of the west and none of them caught the name of a particular
15:30 - 16:00 yes the state cannot remain silent and observant i mean they observe like another person when an individual a citizen takes upon himself to destabilize the country the state cannot sit quiet nowhere on earth and an individual who uses the name of a political party and wants to create tension and you're in a nation that is working and striving towards regaining peace into in some parts of the country you cannot
16:00 - 16:30 at this time in point be talking about protesting to oust a president let's be clear now let me know let me learn that particular protest it's of campus making not everything why do you how do you are you a member of that party i i'm not a member but i have you a member of that party there was never a meeting to decide when a party should protect mrc for example when last february or last year members of india
16:30 - 17:00 and other parts of the country prevailing towards elections between elections they quit of one day and their champion declared that they will become the elections and according to my sources he did not inform those consent okay they were embarrassed you confirmed and and in 2018 got somebody who was a candidate at the presidential you confirmed and he went in on the same laws
17:00 - 17:30 electoral laws okay and that is very true i was i was i was going to say that but my worry you're going to say my worry my worry with the government is that there is a law enshrined in the constitution the lawyer is here there is a law he is going to get to that people to protest that government will protect those holders and before somebody protests you tame
17:30 - 18:00 the protest or unauthorized whereas the protesters are taking place you are saying that it's unauthorized it means what you know you you made that right no don't wait don't wait just for this thing hold on just hold on the spokesperson of this party was on the tv platform for a program and he only got that the party chairman has banned media outings a spokesman it tells that it was a one-man show it is telling no the first thing is that we will soon come to you to go into the law the first thing is that
18:00 - 18:30 uh eugene has admitted that the facts he has given uh you have admitted you said that i have said that he has said it's of course making i did not call any name victor is the one who called he said he's of course making who takes decisions in the party is he not the party chairman there's somebody to say something yeah yeah for example not alone political parties i think you have a governing body we should hear that they held a meeting
18:30 - 19:00 and a resolution came from the meeting that they were going to go to the streets and i want to come back to these dates that was chosen i don't know who is even dreaming of ever governing a country that will take the 22nd of september when the 21st is commemorated as international pc with what obtains in cameroon why if we really love cameroonians and
19:00 - 19:30 you love cameroon why choose the day after commemorating international peace day to call for people to go thank you barrister uh your observation general observations before we go into the law yes my general observations i think that um a political party is like an association with its own rules and nobody can claim that the rules are not respected if you are not a member of
19:30 - 20:00 that party each party has its own mechanism there are some parties that decisions are single-handedly taken by the president it is the role of the petition yeah it well it is how the party is structured dictatorship simply had his own manner of uh struggle the shipping has the way it is structured it has its own manner of having their presence the safe sea and so also you cannot be talking about dictation
20:00 - 20:30 dictatorship within the party if you're under the member of that party only those who are registered members of the party can complain thank you for the manner in which the party is wrong thank you for vindicating me barista let me come up now baristas here tourists i think they're very pertinent that members of the party should complain barrister yes where is your colleague barista mission docky no you're not asking me where is he no i'm coming i'm not a member
20:30 - 21:00 no i'm coming back no dormant why be silent information okay no okay it is not because i'm dormant that you think i don't know about it
21:00 - 21:30 we are going to go to the law but before we go to the law because when we touch the law we're not going to come back i'm going to propose to you what a religious leader said about the position of uh the of god in resurrect in insurrection in an uprising or just simply said disobedience of state authorities he even goes ahead to talk about
21:30 - 22:00 social political and of course situation within context let's watch this hungry and thirsty for peace and therefore it is important that politically there should be that political sensitivity to their reality on the ground that is it on the one hand then on the other hand my take is that it would appear ultimate and the supreme and final government is god god has his own way
22:00 - 22:30 and therefore what we cannot do as human beings god can do as god yes uh you listen to that very insightful very very insightful now we are going to come to you barista what is the procedure with this particular issue as take
22:30 - 23:00 the planned action that you are saying we cannot call it unauthorized but we know that it has had a precedence and that's why precautionary measures have been put in place what's the procedure and how do you situate this within the law if i think for me the solution lies in the law and not in public or political declarations the law is strict and clear
23:00 - 23:30 when you start from international instruments the universal declaration of human rights gives the right to public manifestation that right is recognized and that instrument says every member country must ensure the liberty of expression liberty of demonstration that one it is incentive international instruments you come down to the local scene our constitution in its preamble recognizes their right to public demonstration now
23:30 - 24:00 we go to the law 1990 lord prepared more precisely law number ninety stroke zero one zero five six of nineteen december 1990 on related relating to political parties article 12 of that law gives political parties a right to hold meetings their right to carry out public demonstrations the right to carry out public manifestation it is a right instituted in the law when you come down to law number 90
24:00 - 24:30 stroke 055 of 19 december 1990 laying down regulations governing public meetings and pros and processing processions the laws is clear on that it simply states that whoever which pet which party whichever party intends to carry out a public manifestation you depl you declare it's a simple declaration you don't ask for an authorization you make a declaration to the divisional
24:30 - 25:00 officer of the place where the match or the procession has to take place they see no divisional officer let us look at it here before you continue yes you don't only state the police you stayed there i was coming to the objective you stepped the you start you in your declaration you must take the itinerary you intend to take you must take the objective of the public manifestation you must state what is behind everything you must give a detailed information about the intended
25:00 - 25:30 manifestation okay yeah once that is deposited instantly officials of the divisional office must give you an attestation on that same day to attest to the fact that you have they have made the declaration once you have that attestation in hand the presumption is that you have a right to proceed with your demonstration but again this law says the divisional officer who receives the declaration which has to be done seven days before the
25:30 - 26:00 intended date the divisional officer has the power of appreciation they have he has now to decipher whether that demonstration can lead to to to can disorder disorder or yeah disorder or public peace which that can go to breaching of public peace now what i think we should be looking at is the question legalists will ask is what guides the
26:00 - 26:30 divisional officer to determine whether this intended match will lead to will distort public peace but you just said that he has the right to appreciate that is why i'm saying that the discretionary powers is the discrimination power is in the hands of the deal he alone has the right to determine whether he judges that as risk to public peace and if he sees that there is a risk to public peace or they say it is breaching public order he has two
26:30 - 27:00 options yes one option he can change the itinerary he can decide instead of going left you should match right secondly he can outrightly ban okay yes but before that is before it takes place yeah before that's what we've been talking about so let me continue that's what we're talking about you can stop it we are saying the law says it is the divisional officer that receives the declaration that has to ban particular demonstrations once the division officer has banned it
27:00 - 27:30 it does not end there it does not say that the the party or the people intend to target demonstrate doesn't have any result the law says this same law says if a party is not satisfied with the ban by the jew you seize the president of the high court of the area where they intended where they rallied they heard of the intended and that that court has eight days we don't wish to see whether the deal was right or wrong
27:30 - 28:00 thank you so if the court sees that the duo had the you know an access except to provide the job went into excess power the court can the judge can actually authorize the match but if the judge says i confirm the decision of the deal then so be it now uh thank you for that classification no joe hold on uh barista the duo has the right to appreciate you know the dual works with the senior division officer the senior divisional officer answers to the governor so that is the chain yeah exactly it is
28:00 - 28:30 just obvious that if the governor is acting he's acting on uh information that comes from from from the higher from from his collaborators yes uh it's true um we're generally saying law i don't know how to put the englishman from say keeper the principal des moines which means the governor can take a decision that is uh that will reserve for the for the fourth day for the jew but we are saying if we want to stay within the spirit of this law it says that it is a deal that is after
28:30 - 29:00 receiving and you are banning what has been declared so you say the declaration of this day for this itinerary has been banned or suspended well um since we don't have that i i suppose that the movement the uh dissuasive action is in line with uh i think so well we hope that i think that what baristas explained you can't tame any protest as unauthorized when you haven't signed any
29:00 - 29:30 document banning it that is where my problem is no no no no no no no no no there is no logic it's correct because that
29:30 - 30:00 social media propaganda i think barista has clearly explained it's an administrative chain we don't know that is why we are questioning
30:00 - 30:30 why did this air those decisions came from the governors why did the governors not tell us that mindful of i think the law says that now this this that was deposited and he took this it got here we have decided or we are saying that nothing should be authorized in terms of publishing your respect yes see no that is done already you
30:30 - 31:00 generate three victories to mean that that did this that they will reply the party in question that has come to declare what is their manifestation what i want us to understand what i want us to understand is that a governor is a representative of the
31:00 - 31:30 administration for a region and the government it is also inherent on the governor to take certain administrative decisions it is not the first time we have seen the government um prohibited we have within the framework of the coffee 19 the government actually prohibited any garden of more than 50 people so it is inherent for a governor to be able to take decisions for the proper administration of his uni jurisdiction i think now now look at look at our topic can
31:30 - 32:00 the organizers giving that they are pushing on with their plan face the law what what are they the offenses that they are likely to get into if they go ahead yes still going back to the law the 1990s to 05 law on the public manifestation the solution is there it's clear the law says if a manifestation is not declared if a
32:00 - 32:30 procession is not declared or if it has it is declared and it is banned and any whoever whoever decides to participate in a an on in an undeclared manifestation or a manifesto manifestation that has been banned shall be prosecuted with in accordance with article 231 of the penal code which says anybody who infringes this particular provision of the law shall be punished with a with the prison term from for from 15
32:30 - 33:00 days to six months and a fine option of and a fine of five thousand to a hundred thousand france and it says the organizers of such meetings shall be punished in the like manner so i think that the law is very clear on that once and it even says it punishes also the an organizer that misleads the abstract authority on the intention of the manifestation or on the itinerary when you value any of this you are liable to a prison term of 15 days to six months and you find
33:00 - 33:30 option of five between five thousand to a hundred thousand francs i think the quote is clear it's felt clear on that now uh we're going to go forward the government has uh is saying that it is an in insurrection what does the law say about insurrection somebody who is charged with insurrection uh insurrection i think well i have question marks on insulation because insulation is a very very severe offense first of all the prison term for insulation is
33:30 - 34:00 between 10 and 20 years and if we want to look at insulation we look at it is provided for an article one one six of uh dependent code and i will back the permission for us to read the cover can board analyze what insulation and it will be able to tell us whether we're actually within the framework of an insulation or not article one six says whoever during an insurrection whoever during an insulation instigates or encourages by whatever means the guardian
34:00 - 34:30 of the insurgents or hindus by whatever means the summoning the assembly or the operation of the force of order or absorbs their command that is you prohibit you you block the military from stopping the insurgent or invade or distress any public or private building or host holds or ceases any weapon ammunition or explosive or wears any official uniform gap or
34:30 - 35:00 emblem with whether civil or military so when we're talking if we want to look at in the law insurrection insurrection we are looking at a situation where there are insurgents that are about to operate then now you punish the person who firstly facilitates their garden or who commands their garden that's what you punish or you punish the people who invade and destroy public or private edifice and we know you punish those who are found with arms or explosives in their
35:00 - 35:30 possession okay and and arms may also include stones knives any instrument that can can happen and we are aware that such a protest match is always good yes that's at the end now um victor we're going to you know we have a second topic we're going to ask ourselves given that the barristers giving us their offenses and the penalties or for what we have been reading for what the state is saying from what
35:30 - 36:00 other people are saying can the organizers who are being obstinate to go on with this protest match can they first face this law eugene briefly i see a situation that is leading to a long drone battle september 22 first of all you know what happened september 22 2017 when in the northwest and the southwest people poured out on the street to protest you know what happened thereafter it is a similar situation
36:00 - 36:30 i am not a conflict resolution asking the question can the organizer seem to push and face this law the way it is would be difficult right there is nothing difficult the law is the law during lecture lectures they know that they are going to face the law even the minister of territory administration said it that anybody is the law and if they are pushing on they know that the law is there and they are
36:30 - 37:00 going to face the law yes yeah before they face the law well every anybody who goes out and was listening to us already know what awaits them okay they have the liberty to move on or they have the liberty to retract we are already sitting on a time bomb cameroon is no longer the best we are moving pockets from all angles yes thank god their chairman is a professor
37:00 - 37:30 of law and he understands those things better so you should advise them then secondly search a protest we know that the motif behind the agenda is no longer hidden okay so there is bound to be such if care is not taken that opportunist will come in to set up the whole show and before you know the country or protesters maybe some are killed or whatever and start blaming the government no every parent should take care of their children okay
37:30 - 38:00 thank you it's important thank you it is with that we move out of this topic into our next topic and it's a northwest southwest reconstruction uh project is the presidential plan the this week the prime minister's office because that's the national coordinator the national chairperson is a person who oversees that reconstruction plan of the president of the republic they met
38:00 - 38:30 this week and a manual was presented which will be validated and we are asking already with the manual what way forward what is the way forward with the reconstruction before we talk about to discuss that topic watch this report by christian chair atom the presidential plan for the reconstruction of the northwest and southwest regions aims at helping households and communities rebuild their assets
38:30 - 39:00 restore livelihoods and strengthen their capacities to manage the impact of the crisis this second sharing committee meeting of the plan aimed at adopting a procedures manual to bring clarity in the process of assisting victims it was vital that we outline exactly what every victim what every beneficiary should and must do to have access to the plan the procedures manual which has been adopted by the steering committee
39:00 - 39:30 will also help in updating data on the victims of the crisis the data on the strength of which the initial plan was elaborated was collected in 2018 and we want to take the opportunity as well to update our database objectives on the high instructions of the head of state citizens president pobia being to leave no one behind in terms of the execution of the plan the next actions envisaged by the coordination team of the
39:30 - 40:00 presidential plan include the continuation of advocacy for funding training of mails on data collection and the promotion of confidence boosting activities in the two regions thank you very much christian chiatum i'm going to start with victor cham who is very close to this northwest southwest reconstruction plan
40:00 - 40:30 victor where are what are we with the latest of this manual what does this manual actually provide as a way forward yes the manual is a manner of procedures that will be used to establish those benefits from this plan how they will benefit where they will submit the advice the duration and the warning and monitoring units that we've set up in order to ensure that there is transparency and accountability
40:30 - 41:00 yeah the meeting was chaired by the chairman of the steering committee the minister the director of cabinet at the pm's office balongali conference ebony and the document is one and four-page document yes let's let's just go studio and it's structured into three parts okay we have promoting social creation the second part is enhancing basic social infrastructure and the third part is to revitalize the local economy and there are 25 points
41:00 - 41:30 structured into the first aspect so that creation has 11 activities planned already the second sector that is basic social infrastructure has five activities and then the third revamping the local economy has nine now for the first we'll be talking about the supply of housing kits for reconstruction to various potential beneficiaries of the plant and that's part of the 11 activities planned for the first
41:30 - 42:00 phase on social cohesion now we'll be having promoting women and youth centers are empowering them because some were affected by this crisis and there's a need like the national code united did say at the meeting that there's in need to look into these issues now the the the main path will be looking at basic social infrastructure where we have schools health centers
42:00 - 42:30 roads market and then we have uh water and solar power units so the last phase which is about revamping the local economy we have businesses small businesses we have uh micro finances saving banks in the area in our communities now we have farms and so many other aspects that will be touched by this plan yeah i think people representation you've done it so well
42:30 - 43:00 yvonne he's done it so well yeah he's done he's done a good presentation but um the committee itself already raises a lot of questions how how representative is this steering committee was the bottom top approach taken into consideration are the grassroots those who are the most affected by all of this are they represented in this committee when they say data was collected in 2018
43:00 - 43:30 worse has happened in 2019 and 2020 where we are he just said that i was going to take then yeah he said they are going to i hope you are not going to play the no no no i'm not yet so i am just questioning procedure in terms of procedures the report we listen to um the the the national coordinator said the statistics of 2018 are
43:30 - 44:00 are kicked so they have to update to take into consideration what happened in 2019 and 2020 i think that was said very clearly putting the cat before the bulls or whatever why hurry up the whole and already come out with a procedural manner what do you call that manual procedures when you're supposed to go back to the field do a perception index study come out with the needs and wants of each community
44:00 - 44:30 again i want to see these big guns that come and sit in offices in this what i saw here that's not what's going to resolve our problems or even bring the reconstruction our communities are structured in such a way that if they are given these tools and given the leverage they will be structures let our funds i'm talking about the northwest first return to the policies they are given the opportunity to
44:30 - 45:00 reorganize their quarters and from the quarters it will go into the families and communities reconstruction will come from they will identify embarrassment will take place in this thing no they will identify what has been lost from their communities this document is a production of the
45:00 - 45:30 national coordination and undp the meeting was coached by the uncp and secondly we should manage this document it should be updated it means you're aware of it can we learn more okay this document is a product or is inspired by the recent trip by the national coaster to the north and south students last two months mr person went up to to and listened to the people sat in mount the people
45:30 - 46:00 expressed their worries their proposals and ideas and thanks to those ideas that this manual have been developed and talking about data there are commissions set up at cancer divisional and regional levels now we have ngos represented women groups youth yes we we've we've said that already set up at the meeting at the meeting we had civil society at the meeting they were there no there was society
46:00 - 46:30 this document talks about the first two three years i just presented like um it's not an argument i just don't want him to be defending it's okay let me let me understand that this document for the first two three years we talk about the recovery
46:30 - 47:00 in these two regions that is those persons the guns are still returning to the crisis the guns uh please yeah we've heard you uh abundantly victor eugene yes what i understand is that it's a process yes and that it is on yes we she has questions what can be the way forward should i also
47:00 - 47:30 question because she has questions the whole process you have said is a process the whole process is a sham to me the reconstruction issue is a sham let me tell you let me let me tell you this that is my opinion be democratic be democratic be democratic please be democratic you cannot construct when the minds of the people have not yet been constructed
47:30 - 48:00 please you have spoken
48:00 - 48:30 eugene hold on you talked about democracy yes i don't think that when you are speaking that way you are democratic no listen just listen i will give you i ask you a process you may think your mercy is an opinion as he says it is my opinion yes and we respect all opinions thank you uh is a process is going on we had a similar topic here and we are told we are told that today
48:30 - 49:00 is better than it was yesterday i think i think it's a fact that is a fact we cannot question what do you think but it's not the same way i think it's not the same way it's not the same way i think yeah okay yeah um i will start by giving an an anecdote sometimes ago one international and official of the international community was asked the question what is the international community
49:00 - 49:30 doing to repatriate stolen monies stolen government monetizing foreign accounts what are they doing to bring the money back into the public treasury and that official said what is more important is to seal the holes that permitted the departure of that money before bringing it back and i think that our manual takes into consideration i have not ready but i think and i've listened a bit i think that there is actually a procedure to ensure that if we are doing reconstruction though destruction will not be falling i think so and i'm sure that manual takes care of them
49:30 - 50:00 saying that to do that means that you stop smoking when you're saying that i can't do this please understand something recover and reconstruction they may sound the same but the first aspect recovery for the first two three years will handle issues like loss documents mindset deconstruction it is very important and and it is after this that will proceed now
50:00 - 50:30 with reconstruction we must understand that the plan tackles so many aspects but we can at the same time at one time just be doing this and doing that exactly recovering from there we're recovering yes we're recovering now we go to the construction and the reason why in bermuda and boya people ask questions but sir guns are still smoking this all that said yes that is why the mindset deconstruction will go a
50:30 - 51:00 long way to appease people before any other thing can begin people lost their birth certificates id cards documents as diplomas this first phase will handle all of that because some you want to travel abroad or look for jobs we must handle that it's important for us to understand that it's for the community the under project not us now let us now we must encourage people to buy the idea and we must not think negative that it is how to spend
51:00 - 51:30 or chop money no don't let people think no no negativity this program is not even gone um please don't come and promote unundp all those who are there are on mission and their partners in
51:30 - 52:00 cameroon development partners if they don't participate what would they execute on the field their paycheck comes because work is done it's not because it's them that there are no oils we have cameroonians i just said if you are a representative of that committee please let it be systematic go pro systematically progressively please talk all about reconstruction because
52:00 - 52:30 recovery because we keep saying you can't talk about a basic kids or what infrastructure you cannot go and uh build infrastructure when the uh the burning continues infrastructure will come after you people should go to a meeting yes now he is talking about reconstruction recovery and so on can
52:30 - 53:00 you tell your commission that they should reduce it to recovery so we who do not understand know that that is what is happening they should reduce it to recovery talk about recovery now now you recover my birth certificate that was burnt into for instance you don't know what troop is you're a member of a commission my my cousin's store was born in troop with everything inside including his bike and that was his source of living you want to come and recover his id card or his birth certificate
53:00 - 53:30 and give him he doesn't you may not know where he lives now no no he does not need to know please please i'm i'm nothing i'm landing yes i'm landing do you know what i want i will let you realize this is what i'm saying there's a cameroonian if he doesn't know who is in yaounde that's what i'm saying and who could get
53:30 - 54:00 the commission to join i am talking about even you i am talking about the cousin i'm using an example so that we understand i'm following up from where ivan said that there should be a procedure from bottom to top not downwards now if we go by that you go and recover my cousin's id card that was burnt his birth certificate that was burnt yes and asked him to come as you recover and give him and you are going to bend it again
54:00 - 54:30 well we are not sure please don't be yes okay what the upset yes it's important yeah it comes back to what i said that the first two three years i said it will be on recovery and we have cancer commissions divisional and regional commissions headed by the authorities of that area and the members will be we have funds and chiefs ngos will be part of the commission to help beneficiaries who come to apply the the uh
54:30 - 55:00 information sheets that they have to feed them out and then respect the procedures spelled out in this manual and i would like to emphasize that please the recovery the first two three years is strictly recovery the manner says it all okay and we should not misinterpret it at this point in time all of us need peace like you said all of us thank you we are moving forward yes something i think now if we look i was
55:00 - 55:30 saying oh we're saying the same thing absolutely the same thing um i understand some of us in the panel and i'm sure the public uh the what when they are here reconstruction program what comes to their mind is the fact they are going to build to build yeah but i think that eugene has actually explained i mean yes victor has actually explained that it is a procedure and i think that what should be done is to get the public sensitize on this procedure let that procedure be made publicly made available to everybody so that everybody sees that it is a a
55:30 - 56:00 mechanism that actual reconstruction will come at the tail end okay and and that is why i hope that since monday very well since this morning when the commission when the student committee was handed this document and they scrutinized it i am sure that the national coordinator always pragmatic will have to yeah before you know what happened national coding
56:00 - 56:30 a forum for the people to understand the content of this modern procedures so as to exploit it and understand that first two three years is recovery and thereafter depending on how it unfolds back there we engage reconstruction and it will take place full suite okay everybody will be on board we are agreed that recovery first and that it is part of the procedure manual now we have elvis decay here with reactions that have come in from some of
56:30 - 57:00 you who have been watching us uh or elvis welcome to the program yeah thank you yes what are the actions that we have you have quite a good number of reactions we're just going to take a few due to the time constraint uh we go straight away with mary kilachino a regular contributor who says that uh those who are get engaging into protests will face the law they also have victor cham who is saying that those
57:00 - 57:30 who get into the streets for protests uh those who don't have the interest of the nation at heart and uh uh says those who go who engage in to supporting protests are likely to face at one one one attitude one one two of the penal code of cameroon and we conclude with uh this uh we come to this last one from uh
57:30 - 58:00 charm uh victor once again who says that no okay reacting to what john victor who says that uh construction begins with the minds of the people and we should begin with construction okay thank you very much alex deke ladies and gentlemen thank you for being there we had us panelists on today's edition of press r evan mumma b civil society activist
58:00 - 58:30 welcome thank you very much for being there thank you we have a indie eugendi made it very hot he got passionate but it's part of the debate thank you for coming welcome barista you clarified everything about the law uh on the protest match that is making cameroon really hot thank you for that thank you and i hope our television has learned something from that uh viktor cham thank you for knowing so much about the reconstruction uh plan thank you very much god bless
58:30 - 59:00 you i will also want to thank you ladies and gentlemen for giving us your time if you called us halfway into the program you can watch it on crtv web facebook or you just hold your piece and tomorrow by 3 pm there will be a rebroadcast thanks once again have a good day
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