CST8300 Graduate Panel Discussion

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Summary

The CST8300 Graduate Panel Discussion, moderated by Tyler and organized by Richard and Liz Hagemeyer, gathered numerous graduates sharing their journey and insights on pursuing a career in IT. The panelists discussed their experiences in different specialties, including database management, cybersecurity, and programming, emphasizing the importance of certain courses, teamwork, networking, and continuous learning. They also addressed the challenges they faced as students, the necessity of co-op experiences, the evolving industry trends, and adapting to changes while managing work-life balance. Known for its supportive environment, the event highlighted pathways for international students, preparing for tech interviews, and transitioning into the professional realm successfully.

Highlights

Norma found her passion in IT security despite her initial lack of interest. 🔐
Hamza emphasized the critical role of networking in cybersecurity. 🌐
The panelists encouraged participating in co-op programs to gain real-world experience. 💼
Students were advised to learn about industry trends and technology on platforms like Udemy and YouTube. 🎓
It’s essential to develop good problem-solving skills for technical interviews. 🛠️
Building a professional network through LinkedIn and community events is advantageous. 📈

Key Takeaways

Always keep learning and evolving with technology trends. 🚀
Networking is crucial for career growth and job opportunities. 🤝
Teamwork can foster lifelong friendships and professional collaborations. 👥
Taking breaks and managing stress is vital for success and mental health. 🧘
Technical interviews focus on problem-solving capacity and logical thinking. 🧠
It's okay to leave a job if it doesn't align with your career goals. ↔️

Overview

The CST8300 Graduate Panel Discussion was a captivating event where alumni gathered to share their experiences and offer advice to current students in the IT field. Graduates like Kasia, Norma, Hamza, and Mike talked about navigating their careers in areas such as web development, cybersecurity, and software engineering. The panel was filled with lively stories and lessons learned from each panelist’s journey.

One of the key highlights was the emphasis on the importance of networking and continuous learning. Graduates shared how their interactions and relationships built during school helped them secure jobs in the tech industry. They also stressed the importance of keeping up with current industry trends and acquiring certifications, which are becoming increasingly essential in today’s fast-paced technological world.

Another crucial topic discussed was the preparation for and execution of technical interviews. The graduates shared tips on handling interviews by displaying problem-solving skills and logical thinking rather than just technical knowledge. The event also served as a great networking opportunity in itself, urging students to connect with industry professionals present at the discussion.

Chapters

00:00 - 30:00: Introduction and Panelist Introductions The chapter begins with the introduction of the session, setting the stage for the discussions to follow. The panelists are introduced, providing background on their expertise and the perspectives they bring to the conversation. The introductory music sets a formal tone for the event, indicating the beginning of the session.
30:00 - 60:00: Importance of Courses and Skills The chapter begins with an introduction accompanied by music, setting the tone for a discussion about the importance of courses and skills.
60:00 - 90:00: Co-op Experiences and Career Reflections In this chapter, Tyler, who has just finished the first level of the computer programmer program, is set to moderate a panel discussion. The event features four esteemed guests and allows for an interactive session where audience members can pose questions. Tyler begins by expressing gratitude towards Richard and Liz Hagemeyer, underscoring their contribution to the event. The panel promises to delve into various experiences and reflections pertinent to co-op positions and careers in the computer programming field.
90:00 - 120:00: Current Field Experiences and Ethical Considerations The chapter begins with Kasia expressing gratitude for organizing the event and introducing herself as a third-level computer programming student. She mentions a Q&A session scheduled for 2:00 p.m. and invites questions from the audience. The chapter sets the stage for audience interaction and introduces Norma as the subsequent speaker or panelist.
120:00 - 150:00: Industry Changes and Career Growth The speaker graduated from Algonquin in 2014 after completing a program in Internet Applications and Web Development, which included a co-op experience.
150:00 - 180:00: Advice for Students and Job Market Insights The chapter provides insights and personal experiences from individuals currently in the job market. It includes advice from someone working as a software engineer at a telecommunications company and introduces a recent graduate, Hamza.
180:00 - 210:00: Networking and Opportunities The chapter discusses the career paths of graduates from various technical programs and the opportunities they've capitalized on in the field of cybersecurity and IT consulting. It features narratives from individuals like someone who graduated in 2015 from a computer systems technician program and in 2018 from a cybersecurity program, and now works in cybersecurity for the federal government. Another individual, Mike Glasspoole, details his journey after graduating from a computer science program in 2001, working eight years at Adobe, and eventually founding his own IT and software consulting company.
210:00 - 240:00: Addressing Student Questions and Challenges The chapter features an Enterprise Architect from Canadian Blood Services discussing the educational courses and skills pivotal to reaching their current professional position. The conversation begins with a focus on important courses and skills from the speaker's program.
240:00 - 270:00: Work Experience and Employer Expectations This chapter discusses the importance of a compilers course in preparing students for real-world challenges. The course teaches students essential skills by having them build a compiler from scratch, which is a daunting yet rewarding challenge. This experience equips learners with the basic skills needed for a successful career, meeting employer expectations related to problem-solving, perseverance, and the ability to integrate various skills.
270:00 - 300:00: Remote Work and Professional Growth The chapter discusses the essential courses and skills needed for a career in cybersecurity, emphasizing the importance of networking and Linux. Networking is highlighted as a foundational aspect, crucial for understanding cybersecurity concepts like the OSI model. Additionally, proficiency in Linux, especially working with systems like Kali Linux, is emphasized as vital for cybersecurity professionals.
300:00 - 330:00: Diversity, Inclusion, and International Student Advice This chapter discusses the importance and influence of diversity and inclusion, specifically in the context of international students navigating their academic and professional lives. It highlights how different courses, particularly those in networking and Linux systems, have provided foundational knowledge for work in various fields, including development, testing, and IT security. The narrative underscores the value of comprehensive educational experiences in helping international students adapt and succeed in diverse career paths.
330:00 - 360:00: Interview Preparation and Career Transition The chapter emphasizes the importance of foundational skills gained from programs in interview preparation and career transition. It highlights how these skills are not just about learning the material but also about opening doors for future opportunities. The narrative suggests that engaging with programs provides essential knowledge necessary for succeeding in professional roles, indicating the value of ongoing learning and application of programming in career advancements.
360:00 - 390:00: Closing Remarks and Networking In the closing chapter, the speaker emphasizes the importance of self-starting skills, highlighting that while schools may teach specific technologies, the rapidly changing tech landscape often requires learning and adapting to new languages and tools on the job. The underlying theories remain similar across different programming languages, thus allowing skills to be transferable to various problems and scenarios.

CST8300 Graduate Panel Discussion Transcription

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01:00 - 01:30 I'm Tyler I just completed level one of the computer programmer program there and will be moderating just a panel with our four esteemed guests here there will be an opportunity for you guys to ask questions we're gonna have some prepared questions that we'll be asking them and I just like to start us off with a big thanks to Richard and Liz Hagemeyer for
01:30 - 02:00 organizing the event thanks guys hello everybody my name is Kasia I am entering my third level of computer programming program so like Tyler mentioned around 2:00 p.m. we will have some room for questions from the audience so you can ask questions that have been asked before and now let's get to know our panelists so let's start with Norma
02:00 - 02:30 hello everyone I graduated from Algonquin in 2014 for the program internet applications and web development I took the program with co-op which I thought it was really good cuz she opened the doors to where I'm currently working I work for the federal government for employment and Social Development Canada I am an IT security analyst and that's pretty much what I'm
02:30 - 03:00 doing right now now I'm working at the Siena which is a telecommunication company as a software engineer thank you hi guys my name is Hamza I graduated in
03:00 - 03:30 2015 from the computer systems technician program and then 2018 from the cyber security program currently work on the federal government and cyber security I love cybersecurity and it's the best place to be thank you everybody I'm Mike glasspoole I graduated in 2001 from the computer science program I graduated and worked for about eight years for Adobe before going and starting my own company doing IT and software consulting now I'm
03:30 - 04:00 working as an Enterprise Architect for Canadian Blood Services and I'm also on the Java JCP approval and voting list for Java specs okay so we'll start it off with our first question what do you feel were the most important courses or skills in your program to help you get to where you are today any anyone well I'll start off I
04:00 - 04:30 say from the courses perspective just from a logic and learning side of things i think the compilers course really set me up for being able to use all the skills together it might seem really daunting at first but just having to kind of work through and get frustrated building a compiler from scratch is a big challenge and will teach you all the basics you need to get going in life
04:30 - 05:00 from CST perspective being in cyber security I believe networking was the number one course cybersecurity you need a good foundation of networking I really enjoyed it and as you go into cybersecurity you know you have to learn the OSI model etc etc so networking would be one of the best courses to know for cybersecurity the second off I would say is Linux and cybersecurity you do a lot of work with Kali Linux and various flavors of the Linux OS so farmers
05:00 - 05:30 perspective of courses I would say networking and Linux systems I like to add to that and say that because I've been working in different fields since I entered the government I would say that every curse that I took at Algonquin gave me the basis or the foundation that I needed to work in the different fields so I've worked in the development side I've been the tester I am and I'd security right now but I'm being in
05:30 - 06:00 other places where I feel like it what I learned here it was important for me to be able to do the work that I was doing so from my perspective I would say every program will give you the foundation so just if you guys like the the cursor you don't just learn it just they'll open you doors anymore you go programming
06:00 - 06:30 skills what we can learn from school is self starting why because technology changed and also in at company maybe you'll learn Java but you don't use it you use another technology another programming language but they have similar theory so either programming language you learn advanced you can transfer the skills to another problem
06:30 - 07:00 programming language yeah thank you what did you find the most challenging as a student at Algonquin and what advice would you have for students who have currently straddled struggling with their program a single is their lawful assignment yeah there are lots of assignment it's not like okay I just I'm sorry it's sometimes there are some bugs
07:00 - 07:30 and you need to fix bugs use a lot of time but there's some advice I can provide is do it early I think all the professor says is in first and also teamwork is important yeah you can find somebody maybe you know this knowledge you don't know you can learn learn from each other help each other learn from each other I would say it's good great
07:30 - 08:00 points and from a CST perspective teamwork is number one number two is RTFM if any of you taken the linux core read the manual Google is your friend especially in the field you won't know everything in technology so Google YouTube all these great sources you have cyber re udemy all these great things you have online and learn from them do with them and especially in school the
08:00 - 08:30 biggest thing I would say is time management time management like they were saying is one of the most important things you have projects that might be do one week you might have a project do second week so get on them fast as she was saying which is a great point get them done work hard teamwork is always the best and you always make lifelong friends especially in the field when you guys especially become friends in the field you'll see that it helps down the road one person might get a job might be able to help
08:30 - 09:00 you out and these things all come along so work hard guys use teamwork time management and never give up the sky's the limit anyone can do the program and especially it's never hard you just work hard and if you don't understand ask that's from my perspective thank you yeah the only thing I'll add to that those are great answers the only thing I'll add is if you're finding yourself getting really frustrated and really stuck in a problem take a break have a nap go for a walk get something to eat those kind of things you think about in the back your head so you know you might
09:00 - 09:30 have a nap and wake up with the answer to the problem you're having so it's always good to be rested and do something to rejuvenate yourself all right thank you very much so the next question is did you complete a co-op well at Algonquin why or why not and if so what was the experience like I will start yeah my program was with a co-op and it was a really good experience one thing I always recommend to new students
09:30 - 10:00 is go through co-op because it will give you the sense of working in a specific job feel so if you get through co-op you have option of you can select what kind of job do you want to do so either the teams or like I said in the testing team or networking team you have the opportunity to change that when you're in co-op you learn that and then you say
10:00 - 10:30 okay this is not what I want to do then you select something else Oh co-op for me it was a way for me of knowing where I wanted to work and that's what pretty much it offers you it opens the doors to where you're gonna be working if you want to stay where you are doing the coop and obviously if they're hiring but yeah from my perspective it was a good experience it gave me the option to understand and learn different that the different areas of IT I would say so it
10:30 - 11:00 was a good experience for computer programming there is a call I think it's a great opportunity to get our first working experience which you can write to your resume and you can also to try different company culture and that the teamwork is different so you can learn
11:00 - 11:30 Maxine especially I'd recommend it when the lunch time don't sit on your cube just to try to join them because they always want to share their information share their appearance to help you they are really nice to new employee especially co-op student yeah I would say I'm not
11:30 - 12:00 for co-op actually I didn't take coop at all and I've seen that a lot of people that I graduated with who did co-op actually wish they didn't do co-op now I'll tell you why because the reason is especially CSD program that they actually they were a semester or two behind so when I actually I didn't do co-op so actually I was ahead of them so I was actually in the field before the people who actually did co-op so personally talking to friends who've actually done the program and some people like co-op and personally for
12:00 - 12:30 myself I find any benefit from a co-op I found a good job after I graduated and I graduated a little faster than them and also the market wasn't as saturated because you always noticed that during times of different seasons IT companies tend to hire and it's time it's sometimes sold down so the time the people they co-op and finished a lot of them actually had a hard time finding a job at that certain point but that was a certain year at that time so personally I didn't do coop and a lot of my friends
12:30 - 13:00 who graduate I graduate I just tell them just to go through the program without co-op but to each his own and without co-op I still ended a great job and a lot of people who didn't did as well thank you very much and now that's my favorite question what would you do differently if you were go back and redo your program I'll probably take this program before I start earlier I came to
13:00 - 13:30 honking and I took Business Administration before taking IT and I think it was good because it opened me doors in terms of communication and I learned the basics of what I needed for for my English is my second language but entering applications was it's what I like to do I would have probably started earlier so you guys are there right now
13:30 - 14:00 just keep going it's it's a really it's a really good world like I would just keep going for me I think at that time I just want to graduate and find it all and after I work I think I should use the time efficiently you can learn lots of things here because when you work you don't have enough time and also as true you
14:00 - 14:30 can make more friends it's your networking which is very important and there is also Student Association and never and I were join them but I think if I can go back school I will do it so many people volunteer for today's event yeah they can improve them for
14:30 - 15:00 communication for making friends like we are already friends yeah that's important yeah making friends making your networking important for my perspective I would say learn earlier and learn faster in his perspective saying that for example if you're in 3rd semester learn and see the subjects so you're gonna do for 4th semester so over the summer look at the course objectives talk to students and
15:00 - 15:30 see where you're gonna learn so for example if you're doing Linux learn some Linux courses over the summer take some Linux courses over the summer do some networking learn some switching and routing that you're gonna do in level 4 get an easier idea of what you're gonna do and it's gonna make it a lot easier for yourselves to do that program so instead of and as well try to find a job in the summer time and that's I did myself and a lot of the people my course it as well you can always find a job in IT part-time in the summer or full-time with F swept would be number one in the
15:30 - 16:00 government so everyone I always recommend the government do F swept F swep Google it you can join the government in the summer time you can as well be bridged in after you graduate I always promote to join the government I am in the government I am an ambassador for people to join in the government as well it's always a great career path so number one point from this is learned before you do the course if you can and you guys will be really successful the only thing I'd change really is lab
16:00 - 16:30 partners change them regularly you're gonna learn something different from every different person you work with everybody has a different perspective on how to solve problems so it's better to get out of your cliques and just learn for everybody else around you I I just have some one thing that to that for me I had a lab partner from semester one to semester for we became best friends and I want if I try to switch a lab partner my perspective it just wouldn't click because when I had my friendship from
16:30 - 17:00 the first person we actually had our minds connected so he knew what I knew I knew what he knew and we became friends and up till now we still our friends and just that connection we did really well and we were the first ones to finish the project so I would say everyone is different and that's a great point as well to maybe get some change if you're that type of person myself I'm an extrovert I love talking I love speaking as you can tell and just having that one person who was also an extrovert we made a great connection and we actually did the top in the program because of that
17:00 - 17:30 connection we had and number-one thing guys is teamwork it's number one and make that friend in your program because he might or she your lifelong friend and you guys will do really well okay so the next question is with regards to your current experience what are your favorite and least favorite things about what you do now well like I said I worked with IT security specifically with risk management and I like discovering new things we identify
17:30 - 18:00 vulnerabilities in web applications and try to address them before they go out to the public discovering new vulnerabilities identifying risks in web applications is really good I really I feel really satisfied like my work is paying off when I am doing that that's what I enjoy I enjoy it like a lot but the least I would say I cannot share the information I cannot say what I discovered because it's protected
18:00 - 18:30 information that I came not share I can't just say I got good risk that I've identified I cannot say where I can not say what I cannot say anything else I cannot share that information but I something that I don't like but learning or identifying new things every day it's something that I really like in fact before I love like I love holding the supporting yeah but unfortunately I got the dog which is has more supporting
18:30 - 19:00 works but later I found even a supporting job it needs different skills like organizing like you need to communication with client make it clear and efficient finish it quickly so I said I think different job can you improve your different skills yeah you're just a fan why it's important
19:00 - 19:30 when your family is important you do it you have a children you feel okay it's a good job since I'm in the government I do cybersecurity protecting all of Canada from cyber threats what I don't like about my job is the overtime sometimes and being called 3 a.m. for certain things I can't talk about but overtime and of course being on-call or being woken up at certain times for
19:30 - 20:00 cyber threats that are incoming it's honestly I love my job I have fun but and the other thing is sometimes people asking for things that they can't get so from Network a to be open port this to port that but actually open every port from the internet which when we look at an IT security perspective you're not going to do that so from people asking those type of questions it kind of gets a little frustrating and then you have to tell them no I'm not gonna open every port from the internet coming in the network so that's a little frustrating
20:00 - 20:30 but those three things I would find a little frustrating my job but you know every job comes the little frustration the only thing I'll add to that is you know I love being able to learn new things every day I'm encouraged to do that my job I get to play with all the new technologies things I don't like about it is not being able to complete things fully I tend to have to hand off my work to somebody else to finish but it kind of makes up for it with all the learning I get to do
20:30 - 21:00 how your experience working in the field differ from the expectations you had as students a lot I when I was a student I really liked databases and I saw myself working as a database administrator or a developer not working was one of my classes where I learned about security and packages and stuff like that and I hated it I didn't like it I learned it because I had to but I didn't it was the
21:00 - 21:30 class that I did like the least and that's what I'm doing right now and I'm loving it right now so it's completely different to what I was seeing myself doing so that's why I said at the beginning every curse you learn is giving you the foundation you need for like a whole new world which is technology so for me that it changed a lot it was completely different I never thought of myself doing I'm IT security and that's what I'm doing and
21:30 - 22:00 I'm loving it at the school there is instruction for you what you should do but at work you need to know you need to design what you should do and there are so many document works because there is design and also there is the reveal and deliver decoding it's powerful programming there is a
22:00 - 22:30 heist in work may be very overt and coding it's totally different and that there when they're on task coming maybe you need multiple programming language and the multiple technology skills not only one yeah from my perspective I was actually very lucky in the third year I actually got a job at Algonquin in the cyber security unit so I learned my experience from that and applied it to everything that I learned in school so
22:30 - 23:00 but after that when I got in the field when I was a student you know I was gung-ho and I thought I knew everything in the world but yet did I know that's not the case when you get to the factual field you are not working on virtual machines you're not working on a lab environment that if you break something oh it's okay the professor can fix it you're actually working on probably million-dollar projects and things that if you break it it's gonna cost probably millions of dollars and damages and a lot of damage to maybe people and lives so that's one
23:00 - 23:30 of the big experience to take note of and from my perspective the thing that was quite stark for me was the lack of time we spent talking about business in school everything that I end up doing in real life is solving business problems so in school you spend an awful lot of time dealing with technical problems but what you really need to learn going forward when you get out into the world is all the technical problems are actually driven from fixing and
23:30 - 24:00 resolving a real business issue that needs to get solved okay so next question is do you feel it is important to have a strong sense of ethics in this field what kind of ethical dilemmas have you encountered in my in my case I would say I said I am working with IT security so I learned a lot about ethical hacking we are like white hat hackers we learn a
24:00 - 24:30 lot of new stuff every day and you have to learn that you have to understand that what you're learning is to apply towards the benefit of in my case of the apartment we are there to protect the apartment and not to use our skills or the skills we are learning to cause any damage outside so there is where ethical comes into place you learn how to do something but you're doing it for a good
24:30 - 25:00 purpose and not taking advantage of your knowledge and your skills to go in a different in the wrong direction outside I have to see respect other people's work because it's it's normal at school somebody is just okay a copy yard assignment and the in company is the same there are some
25:00 - 25:30 people are some company just steal some other part company is a achievement and it's in keeping it as theirs but even they started here I school problem I school we do it from now and remember when you do your assignment it's not for the point it's for you carry the
25:30 - 26:00 knowledge then you can use it in the future so for software development does the same thing being in cybersecurity as well four speakers said I totally agree and it is actually true it's an ethical dilemma because when you're dealing with millions of Canadians data all their functionality everything their financial information there's just statistics and everything you have to use your skills appropriately because you're not gonna
26:00 - 26:30 want to steal things get into things and of course use it for malicious ways because you are working for the public you're working for Canadians and you're doing the work for them so that's one of the biggest ethical reasons and basically dilemmas I would say in the government is making sure that you know you're working for the public you're protecting data and you're doing your job correctly for the benefit of all Canadians so how is the industry changing over
26:30 - 27:00 time and how do you stay up-to-date with those changes where innovation technology we're innovating everyday we're evolving this is technology every day there is something new always so the way I do it I always do research I read the news what's going on in the world I said I'm IT security so I'm always looking for like security threats what happened is that an institution that it's data there's been data leaked or I
27:00 - 27:30 always look for things like that but also when I find things that I don't know I put myself into like it I put myself some time to learn about something new but also take a lot of training have discussions with my colleagues learning from their experiences that's that's that's pretty much it again is this innovation technology we're evolving every day there is something new so every day you will you'll learn something new every
27:30 - 28:00 day that's as I said technology change fast like a JavaScript you change like angular coffee da GS oh there are so many but I want to say the basic theory is same yeah when your studies of basics very good when you Linda you know one is easier and the Google is a good tools
28:00 - 28:30 Google is a teacher for your life so let me just check my watch for one second one two three so probably hundreds of malicious attacks have just happened the Government of Canada and surrounding networks around the world so every second there's some type of cyber attack happening there's cyber war going on currently we have to keep in on date and not exactly on those malicious activities because we do have systems ids/ips systems for that intrusion detection and intrusion protection
28:30 - 29:00 systems so you have to keep on date on the newest trends so how do you do that so you keep on certifications so you look at what kind of certs you can do you look at the news online kind of breaches are happening you go on to CSC and ccs is you go on to ccs all the canadian cybersecurity center and you see what kind of threats are happening and how you can fill and plug in those holes you talk with your team that's the biggest thing your team is one of the biggest advantages you have
29:00 - 29:30 in your workplace you guys can workout for example how to patch the server how to actually maintain your security systems that you have implemented and one of the other biggest things is that you always have to learn unfortunately some people say oh we don't want to learn but you have to learn it's specially in cyber security you guys are always gonna be learning I learned something new almost every day about my network that I had no idea about and there's been people there too 20 years plus and they still are learning so
29:30 - 30:00 think of think of it as a house you guys have many windows and many doors in a house if one window is broken you put a patch on it but it might break from another window upstairs or downstairs and that thief a robber might actually come in through another way so you're always patching and you're always learning from the malicious intent of people and from a cyber perspective you're always trying to patch and learn so the one thing I'll say is you guys are responsible for your own careers so when you get out there go join the local
30:00 - 30:30 user group communities for the technologies you're interested in go to conferences if the company you're working for won't send them send yourself send you to them go yourself anyways go learn participate online Stack Overflow help people out and always just keep on researching you know if you don't say if you don't innovate in this world you're gonna stagnate and that's what's gonna get you in trouble it's gonna add something to that as well since you all are probably geeks and nerds like myself because they're in these programs buy yourself some
30:30 - 31:00 equipment like my house have a firewall set up I have all VLANs set up for all my devices is just something cool I like to do so set up those things in your homes they're not expensive play with them learn from them and that's not only the best thing get some virtual machines you know if you guys like networking hey get some Cisco routers and Cisco switches play around with them and if you really like it you're gonna do well and you probably gonna do really well in networking so also try to invest some money in buying equipment sometimes
31:00 - 31:30 not expensive I'm not talking about $20,000 servers but you know try your best to invest in that type of thing put it in your home and you guys will have a blast like I do at home what was your experience like trying to find work in the field after graduation was it challenging well in my case I like I said I did coop and I did my coop at ESD see and I was breached right after so it was not it was it was good I would say
31:30 - 32:00 I feel like co-op opened me the door to enter into the government was it challenging we'll get in the coop was challenging but getting the job after I I guess if you demonstrate your you're good at what you're doing you'll get hired well I co-opted I the Sienna to use pearl I never use a similar with bash
32:00 - 32:30 script so what I do when I found it's a it's difficult for me I just the practice like her we learn from our villain from school tested to some small project and keep keep doing inside so I never take any additional training or khalaf occasion I think we can do you excited i school we can do
32:30 - 33:00 some project by ourselves using what we learn which is also can improve your skill yeah I actually worked in IT during school as you can tell like I said I am an extrovert so I love talking I love speaking and I made sure I found a job somewhere even if it was knocking on the door of every company and trying to find a job so I'm gonna give advice to everyone and that is to go out there and show yourselves because if you look to
33:00 - 33:30 the person beside you you all are going to be trying to find the same job in the same place and employers are looking for people that can actually keep a discussion going and are outgoing so when you have interviews it's not gonna be just okay you got the job no they're gonna ask you questions it's gonna ask you tell us what projects you've worked on tell us about your what you do outside of school tell us what hobbies do you have you know and they want to see you sell yourself so be a Salesman as well so join LinkedIn that's how I got actually got my government job I was put in a pool in the government when your
33:30 - 34:00 pertaineth all it means that there's also thousand people in that pool but what do you do I sent a message to every manager I could find online using my skills and one came back to me and I got a job in the government so that's myself I'm getting advice to all of you make a LinkedIn profile put a nice picture on there put all your skills on there on your resume put a little LinkedIn thing on the top so employers can say hey let's check this LinkedIn profile out and sell yourself to your employer when you go for interview tell them why you want the job and how you would actually fit in there so you guys can all do it you all look like smart cookies so I
34:00 - 34:30 know you can do well so make sure you sell yourself and I got a job off the bat there it's I'm nothing special you know I was like seems all of you nothing's nothing special but I try to work hard and I made Sal I made myself Mike all of our groups are my team members we got together we did mock interviews and we all apply to different places and sometimes the same places and we all got a job so keep on it update your resumes go on LinkedIn and network networking not the Cisco Networking but
34:30 - 35:00 the networking and talking to people I graduated during one of the tech downturns and I just happened to get really really lucky getting my first job right out of coop so I was hired into the position I was doing for co-op but the one thing that I'd say having done a lot of interviewing and and bringing in candidates for things is there is you have to stand out so if it's being able to bring in a project that you can show me where I can actually look at your code and see the kind of innovative things you're doing or some ways you can
35:00 - 35:30 explain to me the technologies you're in I look for people who are engaged people who learn who actually enjoy technology and if I can able to go and look at your code on on get lab or github or something like that and see what kind of work you do that's just an added bonus for me I totally agree to that and I wanted out one more point that for my government Irv you I did the same thing on my flash your project in third year we had a full we've set up all our server all of our firewalls VPNs all set up I actually brought that diagram network diagram and showed my manager
35:30 - 36:00 that hey I can actually do this job look at my paper and the person was also being interviewed was actually my buddy who was my partner for the two years we both got the job in the same team because the manager saw that we both work together so that's a very valid point so make sure you guys programmers or whatever you guys are CST especially show them that you know how to do sir networking Linux show some projects and the manager sometimes like mine if I was interviewing someone and they said they have Linux running at home hey that'd be pretty cool and I'd be happy just to
36:00 - 36:30 talk about that plus you waste time in the interview you know and you might just get that job so make sure you guys do that and myself speaking about additional qualifications do graduates with additional training or qualifications beyond college diploma have significant advantage in the field and also what additional training or qualification would you recommend to have I would say for the field where I
36:30 - 37:00 mean my diploma at accounting will take me to the level four or even five of my field or first years with someone with an additional certificate or diploma have advantage over me I would say maybe French because if you're moving towards
37:00 - 37:30 the management side of CS you will need to be bilingual with the two official languages cuz I am bilingual but I speak Spanish and that doesn't count so yeah you need to have your French to move towards that side I would say that's it but if you want to move further like an executive director having a degree will help but a starting point and like I said the first four five levels I would say no there is I
37:30 - 38:00 don't see there being an advantage unless when you're starting as a student I run a few polls for students before and if you were coming from a university you get a higher pay rate that if you're coming from a college but when you're bridge your reach is a serious one either university or college gets same pay and I work at a private company I think working experience is really
38:00 - 38:30 important I think it's academic experience if you do more projects at school or with somebody with your classmates you know team or you can get hub which is helpful in training or some others because the event you can work when you go to the company they don't want to
38:30 - 39:00 treat your again yeah and also in a school you can learn deeply inside if you can if you have time try to live learn deeply and practice mold it Skyfall out being in the cyber feel that no and going around universities colleges and around Canada in these things I would say in the next five to ten years there's a very big shortage of cyber security so employers
39:00 - 39:30 will be trying to run around and find people and willing to train and pay for their training because there's not enough a cyber people especially in our department or tryna we hired like last year I think more than thousand people in cyber security in the government and we're always hiring and it's in the next especially the baby boomers were there as the retiring there's gonna be an influx an influx capitalization and underlined and asterisks and everywhere an influx of jobs and they're gonna need
39:30 - 40:00 people so certifications are key in cybersecurity now in the private industry you're going to need Aldys Security+ now it depends what you want to do if you want to go into forensics if you're gonna repent testing if you want to go to more security kind of architecture if you want to go to firewall administration they're all different starts but having a baseline of networking is one of the most important things because you can't do cybersecurity without a basis and networking because you have to know the network in order to secure it right so in the government it's the same way French its key if you want to go into manager but you also if managerial kind
40:00 - 40:30 of work but you can also be a technical adviser so you can be a cs3 cs4 technical adviser without French so if you want to go more technical route then you can do that if you want to go more into manager like manager director executive level then you do need French so yes learn your French I don't speak French but I am going to French course soon so for all you cyber people out there learn networking go on Google type in top search IT certifications 2019 and then you'll see for this year and the trends coming for 20 so cloud is also
40:30 - 41:00 coming up there so learn those go on YouTube it's free go on udemy get a 12 dollar course and watch a guy talk about it you'll learn so much and do it yourself honestly you guys will learn so much YouTube is your friend Google is your friend you do me in cyber area are your friends so write these down learn on them I always every week I'm buying a course so that's that's my advice from my perspective I see a diploma or degree in computer science or any other technology as just an indication you
41:00 - 41:30 have the some of the basics everything else for me comes from experience so if I look at your resume and see a ongoing progression in your career where you're continually staying at a job for a couple of years learning something moving on and and your career kind of tell the story that's what I'm looking at and I kind of see the experience as being way more valuable than any certification you can ever have the certification might get you in the door but the experience is actually what guys do the job how has professional networking helped
41:30 - 42:00 you in your career and what are the best ways to network in this field I think it's very important to have really good contacts stay in touch with your colleagues but also with your professor at school because they know like the private sector and the government as well but also like my colleague was saying it's important for you to create a profile to sell yourself LinkedIn is really is very good
42:00 - 42:30 into getting to like to tell who you are social media just I find it's equally important so that's pretty much it I [Music] remember when I graduated I build at your club why just because without networking you lost a lot of information you maybe you try another not Goodley
42:30 - 43:00 another bad way so with professional networking when you want to change your job you have background you have some people can refer you can refer can give you advice and after abusin IT club there are more than 20 people take a job from reference in the cloud but how to
43:00 - 43:30 join a professional networking group Lexie is good place you can join your illumi class like a college or computer programming illumi and also you can join some there are some companies they have these how the meetups yeah there is a website can't meet have comm there are so many clubs like a
43:30 - 44:00 Python Club or Java Club whatever you can join and then you go to the club somebody asking you okay I just stay there I'm in the club no not you need to share your points you need to ask asked suggestion then some people maybe notice you and it's your networking and the later maybe some company looking for the good candidates they were saying is
44:00 - 44:30 an email to the club and you may be the one yeah my friend did the same thing and he got a job from the club yeah so imagine yourselves all as a BMW car right now you're gonna want to sell yourself you want that commission you're gonna sell yourself that's what you got to do in this field guys you're not gonna just go into that guy said in an interview and you're not gonna be quiet and you know and some people are that's
44:30 - 45:00 totally fine but yeah yeah the guy in the front he's an extrovert yeah blah blah yeah like I said I am an extrovert I'm just talking personally and I like song myself I like meeting people even my team let's say let's go out guys let's go for lunch let's go for dinner I meet all the executives even in my department I make sure all the higher-ups I'm friends with them on LinkedIn I message them they know me by name I make sure to do that so I'm not talking about swiping left or right on tinder I'm talking about going on LinkedIn make your profile do well sell yourself okay you guys aren't the
45:00 - 45:30 Toyota Corolla you guys are gonna be BMW Porsche can level right so make sure you guys do that and that's how I got my job personal experience like on the government as a permanent employee at cs2 directly from LinkedIn from connecting with managers they saw me they liked me and I sold myself in that interview that a manager and technical advisors are why do you why do we want to hire you right because I said I can sell even snow to an Eskimo guys right so you know I didn't say that but that's how you have to be like an
45:30 - 46:00 interview you have to connect may everyone you see here make friends I got LinkedIn's already from people here so go on LinkedIn make friends message people that's what you're gonna do okay you're gonna be a Porsche can at the end of this event right you're not gonna be Toyota Corolla no offense to Toyota but you guys have to mark it and do well learn and if you can't find a job I promise you go on indeed apply to every single job you see you guys got to invest in yourself invest money invest
46:00 - 46:30 time and you're gonna sweat blood you're gonna cry blood you're gonna do everything like that no problem don't worry don't stress yourselves out by the end of the day I promise you you will find a job you will do well in your career you guys have a long road ahead of you God willing you know you guys have a long life how do you never give up the sky is the limit I keep just a little side note for myself I was I wasn't a good student when I was younger teachers would tell me you know you're gonna probably not never be successful but I actually graduated with honors I graduated Algonquin with honors the highest credits and I got and now I am
46:30 - 47:00 an ambassador from one of the government and doing well and people told me I could never do it and now you can see I'm sitting here I'm telling all of you you can do it so right so you guys can do it don't stress because I was stressed when I was in CSI thoughts gonna fail but no I did well teachers there support you your family your friends your peers all of you are smart that's why you're here a lot of people aren't here today that's on them but you guys are here because you are hungry and I know you will get that pizza at the end of the day good luck to you all I do that is I've only ever
47:00 - 47:30 gotten one job from somebody that I didn't know so going out there and and networking and getting keep getting out there it's it is really really important what type of work do you think is most in demand from graduates in these programs and the job market in Ottawa is it good for those fields that are in demand just because I'm I am in IT security I
47:30 - 48:00 will say I did security we need people with security knowledge like I said at the beginning you will learn the basics here you'll have a basis but as my colleague was saying he you need to for security there is a high demand right now we need people with security knowledge we need people that at least have the basics of IT security to come and work with us what we're currently doing is we're hiring students and
48:00 - 48:30 training them and then eventually hire them because we have encountered that we create pools for people that have knowledge in IT security and it's very very limited the amount of people that we can get so I would say IT security is in high demand just because like I said it's think we're innovating every day there is something new and there is every day there is a new way of hiking with applications so we need to protect and always be ahead of that
48:30 - 49:00 instead high demand here in Ottawa I would say yes for the government at least from my experience for what I know yes it is we need a lot of people they need a lot of but sometimes they can't find a good candidate because when they learn at school they pay attention on
49:00 - 49:30 points not skills if you pay more attention and more time on your skills practice more there are lots of position waiting for you yeah can everyone just raise their hand for one second everyone all right you're all awake good so now keep your hand up if you're in the CSD program anyone in the CST reppin in CST good you're the best I'm just kidding guys you're good so I just
49:30 - 50:00 wanted to see so even all your programmers out there you guys can also do really well in cyber because you have the foundation of programming and you have that whatever algorithms and whatever the guys call that stuff so you guys have that mental mind that mine that you can code and the mathematical mind and that's really what you need in cyber as well now you can go into threat research you can go into cyber threats you can go into forensics you can go to anything you want you all are you everyone here is IT everyone can learn
50:00 - 50:30 anything so CST especially you guys have that foundation you can go in cyber and ottawa's get becoming a hub for cyber security and especially the government as baby boomers are retiring in the next ten years I'm pretty sure that they will be on the streets holding signs and asking people to join probably not but that's what I mean there's so much demand coming and especially programmers out there don't lose faith you guys are smart as well smarter than probably because I had only programming but I can't do it so as so so all your programmers you guys can learn security on the side you
50:30 - 51:00 guys have the mind for it invest your time like I said udemy cyber Erie You Tube and Google those are your best friends you can find everything on there and you guys can learn the basics of cyber all the way from Penn testing from forensics and everything on there so that's what I suggest because myself I go to schools I'm in the government I we see potential candidates who are coming from school and this is only in my first year and a half of in the government doing all the stuff and I can tell you
51:00 - 51:30 from personal advice where I do myself and giving you these are secrets well I guess it's live stream so not secrets anymore so this is all for you guys so make sure you do these things and I promise you at the end of the day like I said you will be like a Porsche pan or Maserati whatever car car you like you guys aim high and you will get high aim low and you will get low always aim high and that is what you're supposed to do I should have been like a priest or something but other than I'm just
51:30 - 52:00 kidding so do well sky's the limit guys and that's it for myself on that topic yeah we've whenever we post job we always actually have a hard time finding the right candidate there's lots of candidates out there so you know finding somebody who's got all the qualifications who fits well into its organization and really actually is passionate about the job and work that's what we have a hard time doing you know if you come in and you just want to do your technology you don't want to learn anything we're gonna you're gonna have a
52:00 - 52:30 hard time getting a job but from my perspective we are hiring a lot of the stuff we're hiring for is to do with systems talking to each other and getting information around there is a lot of jobs in the security market and that's a pretty hot spot right now so yeah what overall advice do you have for students graduating from these programs for securing a job and becoming successful in the field one thing I like and I would recommend is to think outside the box don't just be
52:30 - 53:00 square think outside the box and take initiative once you start working in a work when our workplace always look for more things to do and more ways of doing it don't think that because you do it is when it does the only way of getting things done no there is million other ways to always think outside the box and they take initiative and everything you do because that will not only get you
53:00 - 53:30 happy in the end and the work you're doing right now but I'll also help you to move forward because the people are working with you or seeing that you have initiative you want to learn you want to keep moving forward and that's that's what it's gonna take you can I move you to other places so that's my recommendation I think the most important thing is you already joined the program the first time is success
53:30 - 54:00 successful yeah and then the second time just don't waste your time yeah - what - the best you can and do everything you can you can help yourself and help others there are also some support school has some so many supports you can use just ask for help when you
54:00 - 54:30 want to drop some curses don't do that don't do that there are so many people can help you just Expo hype so you can insist on and then after two years you can find a good job yeah well I already have five linked in a fight so that looks like a good start true anyone who sent me in right here so like I said the best advice I can give you all is you are your own boss you are your own
54:30 - 55:00 career manager no one's gonna help you to get you a job no one's gonna hand you a gold plate and say here you go here's a job no you're gonna work for it and you guys just being here I can already tell because I can read minds no I can't but I can already read people and I can see you guys are gonna be very successful so number one have faith no matter if you're religious not religious whatever you believe in that's great and fine if I always have faith in what in yourself
55:00 - 55:30 because you guys if you have faith in yourself I can assure you you will do well and now you guys are in luck in your first year whatever you guys you're in is believe in yourself that project it's not really hard anyone can do it you guys can do it number two is network make friends if you don't like friends well make them alright you're gonna make friends and they're gonna last probably a lifetime alright go drink beer or water or whatever you want to drink with them go do projects together sit down
55:30 - 56:00 have fun it's not just about school alright you guys have a life as well don't just focus on school and burn yourself out cuz mental health is one of the biggest things especially right now in the government and in this world mental health is number one so take care of yourselves first alright and if you have problems see your professors Richard and all of them are great help alright you have so many peers sitting beside you tell them your problems alright you have family members these are the biggest advices I can tell and the biggest one I would always say is
56:00 - 56:30 number one have faith in yourselves guys you guys are your own manager you guys can do it like I said bro by the end of this event remember Porsche can I'm not supporting Porsche I don't I don't get paid by them or anything so you want to be that Porsche at the end and you want to get that nice ride and look good you want to make the big money the cash money like they say or whatever you guys terms of use these days you're gonna be that okay so don't worry don't stress you're gonna just stuck here and do nothing no I can see while being successful just by coming here I can see
56:30 - 57:00 you all doing well alright that's my advice take it and I'm promise you and one more thing guys my LinkedIn add me up I do coaching for free on my free time do you ever need help with your resume or if you need help with any single thing I do well I do a lot of volunteering outside of work and just in the community so add me up I can help you out if you want to meet for coffee whatever you want I can help you out alright I'm here to help you guys and that's why I'm here today so I could be home playing world war crafts but I'm not I'm here helping you
57:00 - 57:30 out so I'm gonna give you at the end come to me I'll give you my Linkedin my email whatever you want and we'll help you out all right we're gonna get you the best job possible and best career path and Cheers well following that the only thing I could really say is more of a warning you know there's always new technologies to think about new technologies is next year they're gonna be old technologies so just make sure you keep on keeping up to date don't specialize in something that's too specialized make sure you're always ready to move I've seen teams of
57:30 - 58:00 people where people have been let go simply because they've specialized too long and what they specialize in is no longer needed so just keep an eye on what's going on technology try to keep up to date try to move with the trends so that when people do need to update the technology they're using an incorporation or whatever you're still sitting at the table and that was all from the set questions now we have time for questions from the audience so if
58:00 - 58:30 anybody has any questions please raise your hand and the mic is gonna go towards you there you go so the person over there thank you I have a question for the first lady sorry for Norma you were mentioning that it was very challenging to get the position and co-op why what do you say
58:30 - 59:00 was challenging I would say because there were many of us looking to get a job and the government we were quite a few students and when our co-op time came there were a few there were less positions or less interviews that they were offering compared to the number of students that we're you know we're looking for a job so I went to maybe
59:00 - 59:30 three interviews before I was actually selected to to actually get a job as a student I'm not saying it's difficult I would say just depending on the amount of students that are there and the amount of jobs that are being offered one thing that I was mentioned was excellent I would say that's actually like a really good resource if you wanna put your name in that's what I will recommend that to you too like I said we're hiring students in our department and I get resumes from Epsom and co-op
59:30 - 60:00 and most of the times we end up hiring from both but from my experience it was the amount of jobs that were not many I would say and there were a lot of students looking to get into them and that's what I wanted to do and he was a little challenging for me thank you one thing just to add that there's no reason why you can't start networking now so the government tends to do things a little more structured but private companies tend to do things especially
60:00 - 60:30 for co-ops a little bit more unstructured so if you have a contact in a company and they have a project that they're working on where they might need help it might be an easy sell for their management to actually add a position so just because there's no out of position open for a co-op placement doesn't mean positions can't be opened so it never hurts to ask and never hurts to have people who you know who could also help you in that perspective as well I'm sure you know Glenn can probably help make that connection if you know somebody that has
60:30 - 61:00 a position open next question I've seen person over there hi so how could one expose themselves to the maximum amount of experience in something that they're interested in do you mind repeating the question okay how could one expose themselves to the maximum amount of experience an area
61:00 - 61:30 that you'd be interested in so from a cyber perspective or any technical perspective experience is does doesn't just mean working on the job and getting experience in that it also counts on for example projects what kind of projects have you worked on if you've done if you don't me asking what programming in computer programmer can be a program alright so what kind of programming projects have you worked on what have you done that also counts as experience you put that on your resume on your
61:30 - 62:00 resume you're gonna put on the bottom blue projects done you're gonna put the project names what kind of languages you've done number two is also experience counts as what you've down done extracurricular for example you're gonna be on cyber re like I've said udemy you've done those courses you get little certificates at the end put them on your resume I've done these courses because number one the employer knows that you're coming out of school and you probably won't have a job a lot of people get scared it says experience need it so then you think okay how am I gonna get a job if I don't have experience well the answer to that is
62:00 - 62:30 yes they're gonna call you an interview and they want to see what type of person you are and if you're trainable employers know that not everybody is gonna have the right experience if you go into higher levels yes you're gonna need experience but for a small like a junior position to be a junior of course you need to you need a you're not gonna have experience so number one you're gonna your school projects are experience number two the experience extracurricular are you experiences cyber re udemy YouTube Google certifications these are all experiences
62:30 - 63:00 you need and that's for anything IT related even what was that website called I forgot the name for programming you can get those certificates on their Google programming certifications go online do them learn them and as well you know what else be a be a geek and a nerd like myself and make programs at home do little project make an app if you want to that counts as experience put that on your resume hey look I made flying birds or or Bing bong or ping pong or whatever
63:00 - 63:30 app you want to name it boom you put on the App Store that's experience you can't find a job those the type of experiences you want Popo answer your question and if my colleagues want to add to that then you know without having a direct mentor which is also a possibility if you know anybody in the industry I'd say putting yourself out there starting your own project going on on Stack Overflow answering people's questions asking questions so if you see something that you don't understand just ask the person there's a lot of people
63:30 - 64:00 out there who are willing to put out their personal knowledge and to help people just be respectful of their time and you know try to do some research ahead of time so that you're asking efficient questions and they'll help you I'm just gonna add to that don't don't just think that you have to have 1,000 projects in your experience to be able to get a job like they were saying you the people they're gonna hire you they
64:00 - 64:30 know that you're a student and the experience that you have it's limited compared to somewhere that's been on the field for 20 years so yeah the assignments at work and your own projects count but don't don't don't get stressed into thinking oh my gosh I have to have a thousand projects no it's it's just what you do and how you do it and how much effort you put into what you're working that's gonna get you the job yeah yeah I think we have a question over
64:30 - 65:00 here so while we're waiting for that one I just want to mention we do actually have some online students watching the live stream so online students if you guys have any questions feel free to type them in the chat and I will read them out of the question for each of you I talked about technology always changing and self-improvement so if you could recommend us like one technology based on your industry experience and the need of market right now what would
65:00 - 65:30 you recommend so I think it's essential for us to be prepared for IT security I will recommend the last of them is the top ten vulnerabilities that are you know well-known if you learn about them if you know about them they'll probably open your doors into a security field CST communications security establishment will give you the
65:30 - 66:00 knowledge you need for security as well and that would be my recommendation if you want to go into a security field always top ten and CSE star there and I'll give you the knowledge or at least it will you will have a sense of what security is and what you will need to know if you want to go in that direction so programming I know there are so many programming languages yeah but like a
66:00 - 66:30 JavaScript I like this example because there are so many programming language tree I story is that coffee dirty as angular Dodgers they are coming from JavaScript so it's really basic I think for computer programming program there is Java JavaScript and database Linux they are basic even though technology
66:30 - 67:00 change but the change on the basic theory yeah when your lens good it's easier for you to transfer to another language yeah for a cyber perspective I would say number one is networking some people dread it but number one would be networking learning networking because like I said in cybersecurity you're gonna have to know first the basis of networking in order
67:00 - 67:30 to do a lot of the cyber work for example if you want to work in a security operation center or sock or NOC environment you're gonna be looking on eyes on glass type of work so you gonna do ids/ips intrusion protection intrusion detection you want to learn some firewalls so you're gonna be learning 40 net or Cisco or Palo Alto these are the types of firewalls you want to start getting to know these type of names and learning how a firewall works what a firewall does these are the big thing in security because the far wall is gonna be doing almost all that
67:30 - 68:00 work with the fabric security products that they have so ids/ips learning ethical hacking so I'm not talking about going and hacking a facebook but ethical hacking like CI a confidentiality integrity availability those types of things are going to learn those terms like I said the best way to learn that is to cue tube courses udemy has a great course on introduction to cybersecurity if you want to go to the cyber route that's at least a basis and then you can go on to 40 net learn 40 gates learn Cisco Networking these are the type of courses that I see in every day and
68:00 - 68:30 basically talking to people in the field these are the courses that you can focus on cissp SCP all these certs security plus forensics there's so many fields you can go in but a straight path networking security and from security you can learn so many aspects so keep it at that for now and then as you get as you progress in the field either if you want to go into risk management like iti 333 what my colleague here does or if you wanna go to project management and IT security you can do so many things
68:30 - 69:00 so first keep it as basic is networking pro and then you can go from any stream you want so that's my perspective from a software perspective I'll give two answers one if you want to stay in the hardware realm learn see know it well if you want to do more abstract programming more higher level stuff Java and the only reason I say those two is because they a very good foundational piece for all the other things you're gonna learn and know being flexible and being able to learn lots of things is really what's
69:00 - 69:30 actually key hi there actually I teach one of the sections for achieving success so I just want to I want to ask you so one point that I feel like is an amazing incredible opportunity for people who are an IT in here is Silicon Valley North right is the Canada Business Park is the fastest growing technology Park in North America currently like what is
69:30 - 70:00 one piece of advice and I know we talked about you know LinkedIn and you know connecting over LinkedIn and various other ways but like what's one way that you know someone could get into that kanata Business Park what's one way and a lot of these companies as well like it was brought up to me even on the weekend that you know a lot of these companies don't even have a sign outside their building it's like you know what like you know everyone who works there knows what the building you know what what company is there so how would you you know one piece of advice for how could one of these students get connected to the kanata Business Park realistically
70:00 - 70:30 speaking there's a lot of recruiting firms out there that could help they kind of act as the brokers between a lot of those companies and and people looking for work but the other thing is some of the bigger ones have events so I know Shopify has as coding events especially women in coding events they have a lot of those go to those make yourself known can access has networking events that their site out in the West End so go to their meet people you're
70:30 - 71:00 not going to be you know just from Connexus but other people will actually come as well so you know find out what's going on it really is a lot of word-of-mouth for those kind of things you know forked axis it was a post at the end of my street they said you know this Friday we've got a coffee event or something like that so just keep your eyes open I would say the same thing I'm not the private sector but just thinking about it networking events like my colleague you were saying was number one for
71:00 - 71:30 example let's say you see a company outside it says Jim Bob's IT firm just giving you an example and that firm you want to get job in that firm so what are you gonna do you're gonna Google you're gonna use your Google skills you're gonna LinkedIn you're gonna try to find people who work for that company like for example a manager HR manager and you know what you might just click the connect button send a message hi I'm a student at Algonquin College I'm really interested in working for your company can you give me more information you might say hey this is the event that we have or hate here's the link to this website here's
71:30 - 72:00 this indeed posting make yourself known go to conferences DEFCON and so many cyber security conferences or I don't know if programmers have a conference but if they do well and good go to that go there meet people greet people handshake you know say where do you work get connected send them a message send them an email that's how this world of the global village so get connected guys and that's my advice there are some even from some
72:00 - 72:30 company you can attend and there is like meet hub there are some group there is technical groups most of the core members is from different company so you can join the CRO but it's really easy to just go there and have some piece of ism and the talk talk ISM and the benzene just remember if you are interested with
72:30 - 73:00 some some technology you can prepare prepare to share some information share your Albany with more people and then they we all know ok these guys is a is interesting we have some interesting openings so they will like to talk with you not just sit there yeah
73:00 - 73:30 I have a question about the the field on the until just disciplinary uh like fields like like computer with in relation with another field because I have a I already have a degree in another disciplinary discipline but and I'm just learning a computer because I also like computers too so I was wondering if there is any if you know any if there's any demand for that
73:30 - 74:00 something which degree did you do before I did a degree in psychology and a philosophy you're doing a programming course just yes yes programming programming yeah well I met someone here today I won't say who who is from a biology background and she's doing or he was doing really well and in their in their in their program and as well myself actually one of my good friends he was a medical doctor so 10 years of
74:00 - 74:30 education from Toronto University Medical School he's the doctor right at Oda foot dog whatever they called them and he didn't like his job he came back he the CST program and he's working in a bank of Canada now so like my friend don't worry if your whatever background you're coming from it's gonna help you no matter what so especially when you go for an interview they're gonna say hey you you know what this person he came already he came from a four-year degree of sociology he has experience in that
74:30 - 75:00 and they can use it for example I'll say one more thing the Auto Police Service was hiring police officers with IT backgrounds because they were seeing that they don't want people more with just the or plain police foundations they wanted people with a tech background that can bring something new to the table so IT firms and companies Microsoft Amazon everyone they're looking for something new so you like my friend yours to have something new and you can bring you can put on your resume managers will be happy to see that so
75:00 - 75:30 you have a psychology background with the programming you know especially with AI when you go into AI and all that's sociology psychology type of stuff that you could work I don't know programming but I'm guessing AI stuff but you know you can do all that cool type of stuff and yes it will be a big help if a doctor medical doctor can become a tack you can swallow become a really good programmer so from my perspective you do fine thank you Oh actually I have a question so I
75:30 - 76:00 would like to ask we all have a break now should we study or should be relaxed during the break I would realize studied can be frustrating you have a lot of assignments you have a lot of work to do you have a lot of exams you need a break - you need to put your mind in another
76:00 - 76:30 mode and take a little break and then continue with everything you have to do but you definitely need a break you can't just burn yourself studying and and just staying all the time like a hundred percent reading and learning and understanding cuz you're gonna burn yourself do you need a break I would take a short short break whatever is enough for you sometimes people just need a 10-minute nap and then they'll be good to go you may need a week a month I don't know it's up to
76:30 - 77:00 you but you definitely need to take a break yeah I think after a term you had better have a break relax you first and maybe before the school two or three days you can prepare something and butterfl term I think is level three for love story student you need to look for
77:00 - 77:30 co-op yeah and you still need you have a full-time car for full-time term so for those people I recommended to prepare their resume and flatterer using two or three days yeah it will be helpful as well when the levels restarts you need to submit your resume to some job position but you also
77:30 - 78:00 have some homework to do so in my story you asked the wrong person cuz I'm just gonna tell you to party and enjoy but but joking aside if you're struggling so I don't know how your exam or midterm schedules are so mental health is important and if you're caught up in doing very well good on you enjoy watch Netflix and chill or whatever you guys want to do and if you guys are struggling in something and it's
78:00 - 78:30 stressing you out and anxiety is getting to you which is gonna cause you physical symptoms and then you're gonna be stressed that whole week why stress when you can get help from maybe your friend that hey I'm struggling on this coding project I don't understand maybe this line of code or this algorithm or if statement or loop or whatever you guys call it in that programming stuff can you help me understand this then and if once you understand that there's your psychological like my sociology friend over there will let you guys know that
78:30 - 79:00 I'll click in your brain that hey I'm relaxed now and I can enjoy my break so if you're all caught up and doing well enjoy do whatever you like but if I if personally if I was struggling in something and I had a week I would of course not the whole day just just cry and try to fix that no I would message the people in my group and say do you have some time I don't understand this can you just explain it to me and maybe one or two hours he'll explain it and the whole week you have stress free and you've understood that a concept and Bob and
79:00 - 79:30 your Jen is your aunt or uncle and you're good to go so that's my perspective so enjoy if you can and if you can and if you're stressing please don't stress it's gonna get to you anxiety is not a good thing so relax you can get help from someone a professor ask email them and I promise you you'll figure it out see if they're asking the question they're not worked hard enough taking a break enjoy it relax you're gonna work hard later and I send
79:30 - 80:00 it to some I go to some exercises helpful I know school has like a yoga class or something like that and it's really good you can ask your friends to do it together yeah thank you very much now I I completely don't know what to do with my brakes any other questions from the audience over there at the back
80:00 - 80:30 hello oh oh this will be a question for any of you have any of you have experience looking for jobs outside of Ottawa and how much has your education here mattered yep I I move for Toronto for a year to finish a degree actually after I finished my CSD program I moved to Toronto for one year Mississauga let me tell you I don't like it at all I like I was born and raised in Ottawa I went to Toronto I lived there for a year
80:30 - 81:00 and I thing is that for example I'll tell you one thing that even a cyber job there is let's say 1200 applications for one job in a big city like that versus Ottawa where there's not many so good on you if you want to go out and search good on you do it but I actually moved back here and then I did the third year after my degree program at Seneca New York I came back I did the Algonquin and I got a job
81:00 - 81:30 in government but over there in Toronto its competition as you know it's a bigger city more people there's more universities more colleges so you're competing with thousands of people so but of course if you jobs for you you're gonna get it but yep there's cyber jobs everywhere around the world they're saying there's a more than 10 or 20 million jobs that are unfilled in cybersecurity and in the next five to ten years we'll be probably double that so if you want to move move there's jobs everywhere you can go to anywhere in the
81:30 - 82:00 world you'll find a cyber job a programming job they're always needed but yes I did try in Toronto because I really liked the big city and you know I'm a foodie so I like the food there but that's another story but I guess I came back here and yeah I'm sitting here and that's it every major city in the world is trying to be the next tech tech hub I've applied for jobs in Toronto I've applied for jobs in New Zealand so there's lots of stuff out there and everybody's trying to grow that area
82:00 - 82:30 and next question fantastic I have one more so I'd like to ask about the first job or second job so let's say you got a job and you thought it's a great opportunity but it turns that you don't like the company work for it see they're not something you enjoy or maybe the environment is not like you expected it to be so what should we do in this
82:30 - 83:00 situation how long should we stay in this company or and how if we stay for a short time how do we explain that to the next recruiter yeah it's a really easy explanation I didn't like that job you know being able to leave a job that you're not happy with you know doing it without having another spot to fall back to might not be the most intelligent thing you do but moving on for a
83:00 - 83:30 physician is a sign of strength so knowing that you're not happy there and knowing you need to leave is is pretty good for you to do I left my second job and started my own company in that kind of situation where I wasn't happy there I was there for I think three years before I realized I just couldn't do it anymore and it was one of the most freeing experiences I've ever had I would say that for my experience because I've moved quite a few times within the
83:30 - 84:00 department where I currently work and I've been in positions where I don't like the job I'm doing as much as I like the people I'm working with is for the people mostly that I was there than for the job but in every job that I had I knew experience and gain new skills that allowed me to move towards other directions so I like he was saying definitely you have to have the strength to stay I don't want to do this this is
84:00 - 84:30 not something I like this is not something I'm enjoying I'm ready to move to the next level so one thing I do is I keep my my my contacts very close I know different managers for different teams and I know different directors for other teams and I just try to stay in touch with them because if anything I need to move or I want to move to another direction I know where to go where to pass my rest of my own and I can you know continue within the same
84:30 - 85:00 Department because I like it but you know just have different experience somewhere else definitely move if you don't like what you're doing is nothing more frustrated than going to work and not liking what you're doing so yes move but you know get get a benefit from what you're doing like it's gonna give you knowledge experience and then ready to move to the next level I've been very fortunate wherever I work I tend to light the place up now trying
85:00 - 85:30 to be proud here anything but I'm I like joking around and some people especially an IT you know sometimes they're very which is not bad introverted and they don't like to talk to me or someone or you know they don't like jokes but I like to you know light the room up and make everyone laugh and just have a good time but I'm a very big supporter for mental health and if a job is not suiting you and it's making you stressed and you're getting anxiety and you know
85:30 - 86:00 you're just not liking where you are I would say leave the job and of course the Macauley here said if make sure you have a back-up plan even if you don't you will get a job don't leave on bad terms so don't go in the boss's office and like throw the paper in his face and say I quit but do it a nice way you know what you're leaving the company there everyone has to you know you need to have a break you need to relax cuz mental health is as big as physical health so make sure you guys you know even if Mike myself if I was in a place
86:00 - 86:30 where I didn't like it I would leave and I would tell any of you if you find a place where you're stressing out so one thing I will say is usually when you do start a job you're going to probably start hating the job in the beginning like oh my god there's so much work oh my god I'm so stressed no give us some time give it some time at least a few my month or two see how it goes see how your bosses are because remember you're new to the team you're new you're just broken the team's you know and you might have done that the team
86:30 - 87:00 you never know how they are so join the team see how they are but in the future you know if you see people are bullying you or not being nice to you and you're getting stressed and anxiety no problem leave the job there's always a thousand other doors that can be open and you can always network and I'm pretty sure you'll find a shop so don't stress and don't don't be stressed and on the a slightly different note from the you know when you're not happy with a job especially in the private sector less so in the government sector you're gonna come across the the time in your career
87:00 - 87:30 where you're gonna be let go it happens almost in every private company there's regular staff changeover you know the thing that I'll take that I took from my one time being let go is it's time for change and reflection don't get too down on yourself it's important that you kind of step up go back to your to your networks and your peers and just say hey listen this is the kind of thing I'm looking for and it's a great time for you to change the
87:30 - 88:00 direction of your career and you know my experience being laid off it was probably one of the best things that happened to my career just a side note I just wanted to say if one door closes another one opens so remember that your believer job so the my intro whew it's it's okay yeah but remember just a clipper talk is
88:00 - 88:30 your manager or your supervisor nicely like beside and the keeper contact and it they're also at the company there are so many opportunity you can transfer from this team to another team so then you'll work as a company you you can build your networking with other teams colleague or manager and an accessor tension from the
88:30 - 89:00 AXA hope AXA have from them yeah I think that yeah I will add to that the yes two important things that were mentioned if you don't like your job going good terms find out what's the time you have to get notice to your about say you know you're leaving the place but the door is not not not close to you so if you ever want to go back go back to the place and another thing is talking to your manager
89:00 - 89:30 as she was saying right now because sometimes you don't like what you're doing right here but you know that another team's are doing something different and maybe you want to experience something in other areas before leaving so always talk to your manager about what other things you can learn and what other teams you could join so if you don't like it and group a you move to group B or Group C your manager will should support you and towards your career what do you want to do where you want to be where you feel like you will be being
89:30 - 90:00 more efficient and they'll probably help us well instead of just saying two more I'm not gonna go to work that's it I'm done going good terms and talk to your manager to see if there is other options and there's a thing that I've heard of lately which is called ghosting in the professional world don't do that the tech world is very small in Ottawa so the word will get around that you just walked out of your job and didn't give notice just don't do it it's it's career
90:00 - 90:30 suicide any other questions from the audience there that corner over here how hard is it to get a remote online job we see in our department that working remotely it's privileged so basically what we're trying to say is that if
90:30 - 91:00 you're a good employee and you do your job and your manager knows you working remotely it's not an issue in fact most employees in our department do work remotely I myself sometimes so it depends on what department you work on I know CSC is the department that will not allow you to work remotely yes DC does allow it I don't know how many other partners do or don't I think
91:00 - 91:30 it depends on where you're gonna be working yes see I would say you have good chances of getting a job remotely so where I work trade services Canada we are going 3.0 office 3.0 so you're not really in an office building or basically like I know 1285 baseline you see those buildings across the Harvey's and dealership it's a big remote office work location so you can sit anywhere and work I do work from home sometimes as well being a tech a lot of our work
91:30 - 92:00 can be done remotely as SSC is trying to implement a lot of work from home we do transfer our employees of course if you get to work done and it's on time your manager or director whoever's in charge of you everyone's different they they won't trust you but if the work is not getting done and your work come home and God knows you're watching Netflix and doing whatever and then of course they're gonna know but I've seen many jobs programming jobs especially now working remote and sysadmin jobs remotely and they pay very well
92:00 - 92:30 sometimes because programmers can do a lot of their magic on the you know computer making programs and doing whatever they do but for Tech's like working from for example here in America it's a little hard because the laws and security clearances and stuff maybe but yes if you join the government and a lot of departments do allow work from home so shared services Canada all the way yeah so you're really looking for more of a company that either promotes work from home rather than allows it I work
92:30 - 93:00 from home four to five days a week for an organization promotes it you know we have proper office setup at home we don't work on our couches or anything like that but there's a lot of organizations you know outside of Ottawa or in the West End tech sector that encouraged rather than just permitting working from home there's definitely a mindset you have to have there we have a strict pants on by 9:00 a.m. rule so if you're attending a video conferenced you know you're properly addressed in your professional and things like that so
93:00 - 93:30 it's it's a lot of discipline the other thing that happens from work from home just to be cautious is a you know it can it's very easy to sit at home and work all day and not get up and take breaks and go out and experience life and feel very disconnected from the world make sure you do that I just wanted to mention that if you're in an entry-level I would recommend you to go to work instead of working remotely just because you're gonna you start to you're you're getting to know people you're building
93:30 - 94:00 your network you're getting to to know other other people you're you're you're interacting with other people learning what other people skills are you want to do that you wanna you wanna get that interaction with other people with your colleagues with your managers so I would say if you're in an entry-level just give yourself some time and then if just you find that stuff for you you want to work from home you want to work remotely and just talk to your manager and then do it after but as an entry level I will
94:00 - 94:30 recommend you being person first and then take the decision after I think that they'll help you a little more and people will know you as well don't know who you are how you work how to you how you interact with them and don't know who you are so I'll recommend that first but then yeah there is a lot of opportunities anything else from the audience all right I don't know where little is
94:30 - 95:00 when I'm actually gonna ask another question since I know no it says he has any questions we do have a lot of international students and students who are new to Canada in these programs so I was just wondering if you had any advice for newcomers to Canada I know specifically like Jessie you were not originally from Canada so I'm just wondering you know if you have any advice about not only transitioning to a new field but also to a new country at the same time I would say
95:00 - 95:30 recommendations Canada is a multicultural country and that's one of the things we're learning in our department we have now it's it's a it's a training that we have to do it's to learn to respect other people's values and traditions and the leaves and cultures and that happens a lot in the workplace we come from other countries with other traditions other religions
95:30 - 96:00 and we believe that because it's so cool for us we'll be cool for other people as well so we when I like you know jump and say a lot of things but we have to be respectful that other people have different beliefs so I would say just be respectful with what other people believe are and what their traditions are as well just learn to try to learn from them what their traditions what their culture is and that will help you
96:00 - 96:30 get along with your colleagues at work and I don't know build your your your you know like your your network and you know get along with with your with your colleagues I think that would be that's really important for me that's that's one thing that was a challenge learning that there's so many other cultures that I mean so many other beliefs and yeah that I think that as my recommendation [Music]
96:30 - 97:00 I'm from China and English is now not my first language even though my English is not good that's why I prepare the answer so I want to say English is a is not obstacle for us yeah your work use your skills not only language language just a tool to express yourself when I worked at Siena sometimes like her there are
97:00 - 97:30 some sentence on the application I'd read first and then my colleague will modify it for me word by word but they respect my skill my job yeah just the two year best don't think about the English but you need to try to make more friends with more people make friends
97:30 - 98:00 from different country not only from China yeah it is helpful I I lose the opportunity in fact when I started at Algonquin College my daughter is a full 4 months old so normally after school I go home so I hope your you guys can make more friends from different country and no more different country culture and to share our country's culture yeah let
98:00 - 98:30 them know us ya know everybody not only from Tennessee from other country ok I would say welcome I think Kara is the best country in the world I was born and raised here I you speak four languages I'm original for Pakistan but welcome to the best country in the world you guys have one of the best institutions special golf in college like I said the sky's the limit for you guys don't be worried don't be scared you guys have so
98:30 - 99:00 many people here and so many things that you can help you out with Algonquin College can help you even if you're not that good in English hey at least you can speak whatever language of Chinese or Mandarin Cantonese whatever you guys and speak that's good on you because we can't write so you guys have an edge over us on that as well as make friends who are not you know make friends who are Canadian who are born and raised here because they are gonna they're gonna help you there you guys are in ever you know Canada Canada such a beautiful country that we all love each other no matter what
99:00 - 99:30 culture what religion where you from it doesn't matter and that's the beauty of Canada and especially the beauty of Algonquin College because everywhere you look you're gonna see everyone from a different race a different religion a different culture and that's the beauty especially of Canada being an Ottawa and being at Algonquin College especially the students have been with from each and every country and it's a funny side note for any international student shawarma palace is the best warmest so make sure you go there I'm just gonna add something for it was mentioned for
99:30 - 100:00 the English yes communication is just a tool you have your skills you'll be able to work in your work field if you're very good at your job but English is really important you wanna want to build your skill like right now it may seems like it may seem like it's not as necessary but as you move forward in your career your communication skills are be become more demanding you need to build it up so yes
100:00 - 100:30 right now it's very difficult when we are first comers and we don't understand everything and we it's very difficult to say everything we wanna say or express ourselves but don't give up keep up moving keep learning communication is very it's very important in any career you take you have to have very good communication skills if you want to move forward so just a point on that and one
100:30 - 101:00 piece of advice if you're having a hard time in an interview or anything like that getting your point across don't be afraid to ask to draw it pictures a thousand words sometimes sitting down and diagramming what you're talking about and walking the person through what you've built in the past or what you're talking about can be far more communicative and demonstrate your skills far better than any interview back and forth can do and another thing I want to add there is a
101:00 - 101:30 department called a spare their spare yet before it's called first degeneration I can't have her from there for job coaching it's really really helpful and I also shared sir I also share what I learned from them two more friends and they have is helpful so there are so many departments at school
101:30 - 102:00 they provide hyper-focus outand or some others so just the oxide from them they are helpful yeah drive over there over here who I want to ask because the school offers a some quarter history
102:00 - 102:30 certificate to allow student to study one year you know I see specific field for example business intelligence or interactive media design so I'm currently enroll in Internet application about web development so I'm considering if I should finish my program first then go for us a quarter to certificate or just a save time and money just theoretical you apply for a one-year training certificate like if you're
102:30 - 103:00 already how would like a computer or financial so you can go to the business intelligence which is there is a requirement yeah there is a requirement and also accept you have the background repaired if you already studied
103:00 - 103:30 something by yourself which can support you to read the certificate program you can do it you can you can talk with the coordinator ootek program to confirm whether you are not available for that program yeah yeah from from a hiring perspective I use the piece of paper you have like the certificates and the degrees more as a
103:30 - 104:00 tell as to whether or not I should interview you but I've hired somebody that has no computer formal training and has a degree in history for a job and the only difference really is is how hard the interview questions tend to be I'll tend to grill those people a little bit more just to make sure that they do have the background we're looking for and the actual knowledge so if you can sit down and self teach yourself or do a one-year any kind of training
104:00 - 104:30 that just makes it a little bit harder for you than for the people who are graduating with two three four years of education just to get in the door but if you get in the door and you can show your skills that's still really only all that matters I have one more question so
104:30 - 105:00 the question is also about first job and if you remember when you were a newbie what was the thing that was stressing you out the most and now it doesn't stress you anymore and how how did you come to the moment when it's just okay I would say when I was hired as a student as a co-op student I was given enough and as a project a small project to come see it and for me it was a first true
105:00 - 105:30 project that I was gonna do on my own trying to understand how the web application was working in order for me to implement this new project to whatever they wanted it to do it was really stressful I didn't know anything about the application I know how many people use that how many people developed it I did I couldn't read the code of the application was developed by I don't know how many people have been working there before so it was really
105:30 - 106:00 stressful for me and I one thing that I think helped me a lot was the assignments that they give you where you have to debug and find where there is the code broken and then you have to fix it took me like until midnight for me to figure out how to fix a piece of code well that gave me the skills I needed to be able to be now on the work feel and read through the code and be able to understand that in order to complete my
106:00 - 106:30 job I see it today and I laugh because it was such an easy work to do or I just created a script and then let it run but it took me the whole co-op semester to build it today yesterday last week I just built strip to open 200 different types and and and I'm sorry an Internet Explorer because I needed to verify that the world using HTTP I'm not HTTP and I didn't in two minutes so I see it today
106:30 - 107:00 and I'm like okay it's like it was so easy but I was stressful oh because I was new and it will be the same for everyone and any other in any work feel that you were that you were the first type test that is given to you it will not be easy because you don't know exactly what you're doing but like the my colleagues were saying before give yourself some time and relax take your time to research and you
107:00 - 107:30 you'll be good it's just it's the real world now you think you're not gonna do good but it happens yeah the big difference I found between sitting in a school environment and going to work was at a school you're given an assignment usually that assignment has all the information you need to get it done when you show up at your first job first time and I was given was only had half the information I really just didn't know when to ask for help and so I sat there and i spun my wheels for a while and it
107:30 - 108:00 was pretty embarrassed I didn't quite know what to do with it and the reality is I just needed to go back and have a bit more discussion and that's what people I was working with were used to dealing with their own co-workers where there's a lot more back and forth then there is just in in an assignment type environment so don't be afraid to ask questions ask for help if you don't know how to do something just kind of go hey can you give me some push in the right direction here I would say the same thing I had my job when I was doing firewall administration I was given a task to create firewall rules and of
108:00 - 108:30 course and in school it's easy oh this virtual machine this virtual machine and open good to go but in the real world it's a little different you have to see a lot of zones what firewalls are in between you know ins and outs and out stands and love layer 2 layer 3 that's a etc etc but it's just the college atmosphere is a little different than when you go in the real world but number one thing is time management as well like you're given a deadline in college
108:30 - 109:00 you know you complete it you get help some friend you know friends work on it good to go up in the real world you know it might be critical at this rule because one of the servers does not respond not it's just been installed it's not working and it's the Phoenix pay system whatever and we needed working right now boom at the role and of course yeah that's you know that's that's the job sometimes we if we paste ACLs paste ecl's and sometimes we miss an ACL by accident because we didn't look at it boom everything collapsed the
109:00 - 109:30 whole network is gone and what happened oh we've pasted the ACL wrong so he's so pasting an ACL on a virtual machine at schools different than pasting it for a government department that if it goes down it's gonna cost millions of dollars maybe a per a minute just to get everything back up and running so I would say time management stress make you know just calm down ask for help you're working with people in the government who are know what they're doing technical advisers ask them for help and that's what I did I didn't know everything I asked my team leads my
109:30 - 110:00 technical advisors they helped me out they guided me and and Here I am today so many projects and but they have enough talking documents so you need to ask normally there is a mantra when you're just an internal company you know you can send email to your mentor reach
110:00 - 110:30 back to ask a question to acts of each one I can get high before this this problem and also you need to make a plan like a term maybe some skills you never learned you can talk with your mentor okay and neverland's is could you give me some suggestion which video is a better output which book is better I can I can read I can learn after after work
110:30 - 111:00 or at work time actual having like this idea it's a it's really helpful yeah stick to that documentation is key no matter where you go if you have bad documentation good - because if I get hit by a bus and I know everything good luck to the team figure out what's going on so in our environment and team we have to make documentation network diagram what's going on what changes were doing because if there's only one person and he knows everything and God forbid something happens to him then we're
111:00 - 111:30 gonna be stuck Oh what do we do so remember documentation write everything down your new job especially documentation is number one any other question so I've got a question I've heard that tech interviews are a lot different from traditional job interviews kind of thing I was just wondering what that process might look like and if you have any recommendations for preparing for an interview yep I can answer that I've done many technical interviews actually
111:30 - 112:00 so the job so there's different aspects so now depends where you apply as well so for example let me give you an example when I joined the government for example so you're gonna probably write an entrance test which is usually an interest just basic literacy and whatever else they ask you in those tests then a technical test is what you've written on your resume because I can write anything like I know everything about the whole world but no they're gonna probably test you on that
112:00 - 112:30 so they're gonna ask you okay if I have this server to this server can you explain how it connects can you hear is something that in question if you're going to networking here is a Linux I want to do this on a Linux box what are the commands I'm going to do on this TCP explain me the TCP handshakes and all that explain all that explain the OSI model to me technical interviews can also be physical so I know some of my buddies who work at was that company called checkpoint checkpoint for
112:30 - 113:00 firewalls they actually had a document and they had to actually set up some checkpoint firewalls based on the documentation so that can also be a technical interview as well as I've had a interview that they give you an hour they give you everything they want so we want this cloud-based server we want this cloud-based service we want this server in the cloud we want email to work what are you gonna do a number one to protect it powers are going to be installed what are you gonna do for load balance what you need for networking so you
113:00 - 113:30 might not get all of it right but they want to see your thinking so you're the managers not there to throw you throw you out and say oh you don't know no they're trying to see how you think and that's the biggest thing managers look for if you can think and you can understand then they know they can train you and bring you up so you don't have to be perfect alright I'm not perfect a lot of us aren't perfect so even if you don't know much the manager just wants to see if you're willing to try just like your professors here they're not there to fail you or you know to make you not pass they if you try your
113:30 - 114:00 best and they can see then you for sure will pass or for sure get that job so in technical aspects yes there can be multiple choice technical exam there can be asking questions for how does the server work there can be subnetting questions linux questions and that's what I've seen for programming I don't know probably writing code but I guess they can answer if they've done that full full program you normally technical
114:00 - 114:30 interview they will ask you some basic concepts like for Java they will excuse the Opera tech oriented concept so all the questions is just from the from school base they started yeah there may be a 20% question is a little bit harder but if you if you can
114:30 - 115:00 answer the 80% basic question you win yeah so what you need to prepare just what you understand and what you learned from school you prepare well but the something you don't really understand just live it away it doesn't matter yeah just like his side if you can sink in
115:00 - 115:30 you already have the basic skill you can be trained then they sing you are good candidate yeah I would say that for ESD see specifically there is a in Canada at CAA there is a preparation for test if you're an entry-level and we look for your basic knowledge for students and for entry levels we do not demand high
115:30 - 116:00 knowledge we're not expecting you to view the infrastructure of verification no we're not expecting that we're expecting you to have the knowledge of what an instrument structure is so pretty much the basic then you have your base very well stated but can't like I said cannot see a has a test a second it's like a set of questions that are you know mainly asked when you're in an
116:00 - 116:30 entry-level I would suggest you to go there that's the rule we follow in ESD sleep at least in our department I've been involved in one or two processes for hiring students and that's what we follow basic knowledge don't be scared of that you have to answer one our exam that you may feel it's not that complicated when you're an entry-level
116:30 - 117:00 for at least for us but you do have to have basic knowledge you have to know if you're applying for programming how to develop your application whether the bass is off I would say that for years you see I have really two different kinds of questions I ask when I'm interviewing people so one is really a verification of the qualifications so if you say you're a you know high-end database administrator be prepared for some high-end database questions but also some of them
117:00 - 117:30 are just to see what kind of areas extra expertise you have and what experiences you have you know and for when I ask people to do coding actually I frequently do a code review where you actually review some of my terrible code and tell me what you don't like about it but when I ask ask people to write code I'm more looking for logic and thought process than the brackets are in the right places and things like that so I want to understand that you understand for a logical perspective what you're trying to accomplish and another thing I want to
117:30 - 118:00 remind but I first I have the interval from Siena the just actor accept the concept you interview and they also have behavioral interview which when they will try to find the better your person who is a suitable for the team your work
118:00 - 118:30 style and your troubleshooting is not about the technology skill it's about you your personality yeah so and and another scene for the technical interview you had better prepare it for me I just read like a I I googled related the interview questions and give the answer and read it five or more
118:30 - 119:00 times because sometimes even you know the answer but in the interview you maybe feel nervous oh you need to organize your idea if you don't prepare you maybe answer the question not fluently so it will impact your impact
119:00 - 119:30 the result if you prepared it will be it's really better let it you need to interview interviewer can see okay you are prepared you are really care about this position you want it yeah okay so as you can see the pizzas here so I think that's a good time to wrap up the questions and move on to the
119:30 - 120:00 networking part so first off thank you everyone up here and thank you all for being here I just want to introduce a few more people before I let you at the food so we do actually have I mean you've seen their names rotating up on the on the screen we do actually have a few more industry professionals who are here so that's manera Jeffery and Alistair so they're kind of around here I don't know if you guys want to kind of stand in way so they can see you so all
120:00 - 120:30 of the industry professionals here today are wearing dark green name name badges so not like mine but like theirs so just look for those dark green name badges and those are our industry professionals who have all graduated from Algonquin we do also have some upper-level students so most of you are just finished level one but we do have some students who finished you know who are entering level three in foreign above so they are wearing the bright green name name badges and Kezia is actually one of them so if you just want to show your name badge so we have a couple here if you
120:30 - 121:00 guys want to wave we have a few back there I believe graduates as well we have one over here so we have some upper level students as well so there'd be more than happy to answer your questions about future levels and the programs I think that's about it we also have a representative from coop so I know a lot of you guys have questions about coop and are wondering about coop so that's going so if you do have co-op questions
121:00 - 121:30 he's your guy so yeah thank you to everyone go get some food [Applause] [Music] [Music]
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