Find Out: Why Trump’s tariffs are a disaster for Americans

Summary

Highlights

• Trump's tariffs and their alleged negotiations with 70 countries are questioned. 🤔
• Stock market instability attributed to Trump's policies is a major talking point. 📊
• Criticism of the lack of federal oversight following the firing of inspector generals. 🚨
• The debate on how tariffs affect inflation and the construction industry. 🏗️
• Discussing Democratic strategies for future elections and potential leaders. 🤝

Key Takeaways

• Trump’s tariffs are stirring controversy, with 70 countries allegedly negotiating, leading to dubious claims. 🌍
• Tariffs and stock market manipulations are discussed as tactics potentially harming Americans economically. 📉
• The podcast critiques the lack of governmental oversight following inspector generals' dismissals. 👁️
• Trump's handling of inflation and the economy is under scrutiny, with calls for better Democratic strategies. 💡
• Potential 2028 Democratic candidates are evaluated, emphasizing the need for strong, aggressive leadership. 🗳️

Overview

Chapters

• 00:00 - 00:30: Introduction and Recording Context The introduction sets the stage for a special episode of the Find Out Pod, which is being recorded on a Thursday instead of the usual schedule due to current events surrounding Donald Trump, tariffs, and stock market issues. The hosts aim to discuss these topics while they are still relevant. The episode features only five hosts, highlighting the difficulty of coordinating six people's schedules across three different time zones.
• 00:30 - 02:30: Trump's Tariff Announcement The chapter discusses the challenges of coordinating schedules among a group of individuals with significant age differences, reflecting on how age can impact priorities and availability. The discussion transitions into a brief mention of Trump's recent tariff announcement, although details of the announcement are not provided in the chapter excerpt.
• 02:30 - 04:30: Claims of Stock Market Manipulation This chapter discusses an unusual claim made regarding stock market manipulation, highlighting tariffs and an assertion about 70 countries supposedly calling to negotiate—though the list was not shared. The narrative implies the claim might not be credible, and humorously critiques the approach, suggesting it is not an effective negotiation tactic.
• 04:30 - 06:30: Investigation and Legal Concerns The chapter delves into an investigation and discusses legal concerns surrounding a particular issue. Participants discuss the lack of transparency, specifically mentioning a 'list' that's withheld, which implies something is being concealed. The conversation touches on strategies, debating whether certain actions are 'smart' or simply deceptive. Comparisons are drawn between intricate strategic planning and simpler tactical maneuvers, with references to complex games like chess compared to checkers. The discussion reflects on MAGA supporters' perspectives found online, suggesting that the situation is multi-faceted and contentious.
• 06:30 - 08:30: The Impact of Tariffs on the Economy The chapter discusses the current administration, led by Trump and Musk, with a sarcastic tone implying corruption and conflicts of interest between personal business and national policy. Despite claims to the contrary, there is an allegation that these issues have been ongoing for the past two months, with no evidence to support a lack of conflict.
• 08:30 - 10:30: Inflation and Economic Consequences The chapter discusses the implications of a scandal related to business practices. While addressing common perceptions and media portrayals, the speaker reaffirms belief in Donald Trump's integrity and track record as a businessman over the past 30 years, despite the controversies surrounding him. The transcript ends abruptly with a humorous note on how media might misrepresent the statement by playing it out of context at the White House.
• 10:30 - 12:30: Democratic Party's Strategy and Accountability The chapter discusses the Democratic Party's strategy and accountability, highlighting the role of key figures like Dan Scabino, who is humorously referred to as an anti-fascist veteran. The narrative points out market manipulation tactics, including taking credit for the rising stock market following the removal of tariffs that initially caused the market to plummet. The description includes a satirical view of how information is presented and processed within political circles.
• 12:30 - 15:00: Potential Democratic Candidates for 2028 The chapter discusses potential Democratic candidates for the 2028 election. It begins with uncertainties about the empowerment of investigatory agencies at the federal level. Chris, an investigator, expresses hope that local agencies in New York will conduct relevant investigations.
• 15:00 - 17:00: Critiques of Current Democratic Strategies The chapter explores the notion that influential members of the Mara Lago club may benefit from privileged information due to their relationship with Donald Trump. It suggests potential unethical trading activities by these members immediately before and after major White House market-moving announcements, reflecting Trump's historical behavior in leveraging insider information.
• 17:00 - 18:30: Government Accountability and Future Elections The chapter discusses issues related to government accountability and potential insider trading, specifically referencing Marjorie Taylor Green and recent activities related to trades. There is also mention of the firing of inspector generals, highlighting concerns about oversight and transparency in government operations. The speaker expresses hope for justice and accountability in addressing these issues.
• 18:30 - 21:00: Economic and Environmental Policy Discussion The chapter titled 'Economic and Environmental Policy Discussion' features a conversation around the role of inspector generals within U.S. federal agencies. Tim, who worked in the Interior Department during the Obama administration, explains that inspector generals are meant to act as independent watchdogs to root out corruption. However, under Donald Trump's administration, these positions were controversially dismissed early in his term, which Tim suggests has led to a lack of investigative power within the federal government. The FBI is mentioned as a remaining investigative body, although it's noted that Cash Patel is running it, possibly implying concerns about its effectiveness or neutrality.
• 21:00 - 23:00: The Role of Public Protest This chapter addresses the strategic manipulation of financial systems by influential leaders. It highlights concerns raised by legal experts about the potential criminality of such actions, specifically when a leader manipulates the stock market. The discussion entails the concept of 'pump and dump,' where markets are artificially inflated to sell at high prices before the value drops. The narrative describes an instance where a leader publicly declared that the best time to buy is during economic downturns, further influencing market behaviors.
• 23:00 - 25:30: The Importance of Effective Leadership The chapter emphasizes the critical role effective leadership plays in organizations and society. It touches on issues of accountability and ethics, highlighting a scenario where financial leaders allegedly manipulated the system for personal gains. This has raised concerns about fairness, especially when comparing such actions to those of Martha Stewart, who faced legal consequences for lesser offenses. The narrative suggests a need for transparent and responsible leadership to ensure fair treatment and trust in systems involving public funds.
• 25:30 - 27:10: Conclusion and Call to Action The chapter discusses the economic disparity highlighted by the fact that some individuals earn more money in a single day than entire generations of American families do in their lifetimes. This disparity is emphasized through the conversation about flipping investments, while public narratives from policy advocates suggest the need to bring jobs back to the U.S. using tariffs. This contradiction depicts the boldness and hypocrisy of certain economic policies and perspectives, reflecting on what has changed in the socio-economic landscape.

Find Out: Why Trump’s tariffs are a disaster for Americans Transcription

• 00:00 - 00:30 hello and welcome back to the Find Out Pod it is uh we're actually recording on Thursday this week uh because there has been so much insanity going on uh with Donald Trump tariffs uh stock market manipulation all kinds of insanity so we wanted to get on while the news was hot have a feeling that this is going to be very very relevant when you listen to this uh so we're just going to dive into it and you may notice that there's only five of us today and it turns out trying to schedule six people across three time zones is a
• 00:30 - 01:00 challenge so Vic has not gone anywhere he'll be back next week it's just really hard to get six guys who also have day jobs together to do this 40 year age gap and a 40year I think it's a 35 year age gap okay as one of the older ones those numbers matter yeah they may not matter right now to you Luke but they start to matter it does it does it does it does matter anyways so uh Trump has done
• 01:00 - 01:30 crazy things this week that are crazy even for him so we're going to dive into it right now he announced tariffs and then all of a sudden he made a claim that there were 70 countries that had called to negotiate the list of which he will not share yeah his ass is a crazy thing to say right that's actually what he said which I'm sorry but not a great negotiating tactic to already insult the person on the other side although there there is room for 70 pairs of lips on his ass so it actually works out pretty
• 01:30 - 02:00 like all at once just you just gave me a visual i'm not going to be able to sleep tonight but um so uh under the diaper under the diaper they won't of course they won't share the list which shows you how real it really is um but let's dive into it guys what is there a strategy is there not a strategy i mean I know my answer and by the laughing is it smart or crazy smart yeah is we're talking chess not checkers which is what every MAGA person saying online is this
• 02:00 - 02:30 is chess not checkers guys well is it chess not checkers listen I I think that there is no uh administration that is uh less corrupt than the Trump Musk administration they are definitely not crossing personal business interests and international or national policy there is no evidence at all of this and I it's been 2 months and we haven't seen one
• 02:30 - 03:00 scandal where it looks like they're putting their business man so I just I just want to make sure our listeners know that the unvarnished truth is that Donald Trump is an honest and good businessman he's got 30 years backing him up i think we can just cut here right we can just converation they're right we're someone someone is going to clip that and they're going to play it in the White House like
• 03:00 - 03:30 it's like it's a good thing they'll be like "Look at this anti-fascist veteran." Dan Scabino the caddy/social media expert experts in quotes by the way uh will be showing this on his laptop because that's how they show him things is or print it out maybe they'll print it out and show him um so Chris is obviously joking um market manipulation this week um taking credit for rising stock market after yanked stupid tariffs that tanked the stock market
• 03:30 - 04:00 um is what what do we even say about it like what I think that so first of all we shouldn't assume that any uh investigatory agency in the federal government is going to be empowered right now so oh god no you know my for those who don't know me I'm Chris i'm the investigator right what I hope is happening is that the state of New York the city of New York and any other relevant um local agencies that have jurisdiction over things like Wall
• 04:00 - 04:30 Street are taking notes and looking at uh I'm sure it's not impossible to get a list of who are members of Mara Lago but I would not at all be surprised if we saw a spike in trades specifically for members of of the Mara Lago club immediately before and immediately after major market moving announcements by the White House because this is the type of thing that Donald Trump has done his entire life
• 04:30 - 05:00 and we may not get justice you know for three and a half plus years but I hope to God that there you know are a whole lot of hammers that are coming down hard and swift for all of the insider trading that absolutely is going on yeah a buck gets 10 marjorie Taylor Green put in a shitload of trades yesterday morning yep look that up well and he and a lot of people probably don't know this is very inside baseball but he also fired all of the inspector generals and for those of you who don't know I worked at this is
• 05:00 - 05:30 Tim i worked at the Interior Department for 5 years of the Obama administration so I'm familiar with the inspector general model and they are independent watchd dogss within each of the agencies that are meant to root out corruption donald Trump like the first week he was in office second week something like that fired them all not really with any legal precedence to do it but this is why right this is why there is no investigative power within the federal government really i mean the FBI but Cash Patel is running that so that's not
• 05:30 - 06:00 going to happen so uh I think you're right it's going to be on the states but he got rid of them for this specific reason so that he could do this there's no better word than calling it um where he's manipulating the stock market on purpose which some legal experts say is a crime for the president to do but he just he is the king of pump and dump right he's on record saying like the best time to buy is when the economy is in the tank he tweeted yesterday morning right time to buy i
• 06:00 - 06:30 guess it was true social time to buy yeah and then he then he there was a video shared around where he was pointing I think at Charles Schwab allegedly he's like this is actually Charles Schwab he made two and a half billion yesterday and this guy made $500 million these guys are sitting around talking about how they they gamed a system that they designed to be a game with our retirement funds they sent Martha Stewart to jail for less than this right right so this all happens and they're talking about sums of money that
• 06:30 - 07:00 that you can take entire cities and those entire cities worth of Americans will never earn a fraction of that much money in their entire careers and their entire lifetimes and multiple generations and these guys are in 24 hours just talking about flipping it flipping it flipping it while their own people are out on TV explaining why the exact opposite this tariff bring bring jobs back to the United States why that is like the future of America and and they they they are so brazen about it you know it's that's what's even changed
• 07:00 - 07:30 from his first term where they're they're so brazen that they're just now just plainly doing this in broad daylight thinking well our own supporters they'll just say whatever we tell them to to say they'll believe whatever we tell them to believe and you know remains to be seen i don't think regular Americans like that when this kind of stuff happens uh in broad daylight but I've said that before and uh and they continually surprise me i mean the thing and I'm going to apologize ahead of time for my voice just like Luke last week I'm six and now I sound like RFK it's my Yeah it's my
• 07:30 - 08:00 turn now uh like the thing that throws me off with them they've given like eight different reasons why these tariffs are a thing like it's fentanel control it's border control it's leverage it's renegotiating trade deals it's trade deficit it's making America America rich again it's like the list is extremely long and none of them are coherent together like there's no like and but yet all of the MAGA people believe every single one when they can't possibly coexist together it it's absolutely incoherent i I don't understand it at all it's double
• 08:00 - 08:30 think they can hold two completely like two ideas that will never work well together and they hold them both to be completely true at the same time like like the one that I like the most is the fentanyl one canadian fentinel it's like.3% of fentanyl seizures and yet Canada gets like destroyed by terrorists because of that point through why why would anybody do that it makes no sense it's so stupid i I hope that there is a uh Breaking Bad spin-off and that
• 08:30 - 09:00 there's a Canadian Walter White and like that that could be a series like logs logs hollowed out and filled with fentinol just like training training beavers to like float like fentinyl they can run it instead of the chicken brand they can run it through the uh what's the coffee place in Canada hortons hortons yeah well yeah i almost said Willie Horton i'm like "Oh that's not that's not the the right one." But um uh well it's
• 09:00 - 09:30 funny because I think there's more fentanyl US fentanyl seized in Canada than vice versa so if anybody really has a beef on the fentinel trade it's Canada i mean it's just it's just nonsense donald Trump has wanted tariffs and thinks tariffs work forever even though you look at every time that we have put tariffs we never put tariffs that size out there every time it's it's because the economy is in the complete tank and it never works um you know and but this market manipulation thing I think was
• 09:30 - 10:00 brazen even for them but I guess the question is who is going to stop them nobody i mean that's the problem yeah that's the reason I think that everybody's so pissed off is like what's the mechanism to stop this guy there isn't one you know I mean really it's Democrats winning in 26 that's that's the mechanism to stop him at this point you know we we got some folks commenting on our on our last episode uh because we we might have sound a little sound a little too dismissive of the protests but like that's that's what's going to stop them right it is the popular revolt
• 10:00 - 10:30 it's the I'll be out again on the 19th let's some up peacefully peacefully let me No January 6 no January 6 peacefully y Tesla dealerships there is a new J6 that is happening on uh and this is news as of the day we're recording this but uh I'm going to be leaning into this for the next few months on June 6th the anniversary of D-Day there's going to be a massive veterans protest veterans organizations
• 10:30 - 11:00 from around the country of all different political stripes uh are going to be heading down to meet on the National Mall to demand that Elon Musk and Donald Trump stop firing federal federal workers it's not just about veterans it's about every American every American depends on the services of of uh federal workers even if they don't think so right and by the time that we reach those mass firings the mass um
• 11:00 - 11:30 reductions in force this summer things are going to start getting ugly like the market manipulation stuff the tariff stuff this this is all bad and it and it can and probably will get worse but this 90day thing is going to end right around the time that the reduction in force also happens so you're gonna have 200,000 additional unemployed uh veterans alone like that is the
• 11:30 - 12:00 president runs another pump and dump yeah I mean the the country is going to be hurting this summer i I totally agree and and I'm maybe going to be the the only opinion here that doesn't believe that this was actually an intentional pump and dump that was designed maybe more than about 48 hours ago i think like everything Donald Trump woke up and reacted to the situation in a way that was favorable to him which is to just rewrite history um because Scott Bessant was out there saying that this tariff
• 12:00 - 12:30 plan he he which he allegedly fully believed in was going to create $6 trillion this is the number they made up $6 trillion in new tax revenue uh for the American government and so I I you know got over 10 years over 10 years i got out a calculator that's almost $1,800 per American per year for 10 years because this is a consumer tax you know tariffs are paid by American businesses and then they are passed on to their customers and so he's talking
• 12:30 - 13:00 about a $6 trillion tax hike on the consumer class which is twothirds of our economy is consumer spending as everybody says so we're talking about a $6 trillion tax hike you know what it takes for a Republican to go on television and defend a $6 trillion tax hike they either need to be like deliluted beyond a point that I can even fathom which is remarkable for Republicans or they need to actually truly deeply believe it and I I do believe when you look at Trump's comments on the tariffs over over his
• 13:00 - 13:30 many years in the public spotlight I think he actually really really does love the idea of tariffs he loves protectionism and excluding everybody he also of course just hates everybody who's not a white man um with a lot of money and so all of these things still line up in favor of him ultimately finding his way back to forcing a catastrophic tax hike on the middle class yeah i mean the reason why this works for him is because he's selling the idea that these are taxes on other countries to his people that's why
• 13:30 - 14:00 they're able to go out there and sell this as if it's not a tax l because the people who support Trump don't think it is functionally they literally don't understand how it works so that's why like I think we we sometimes don't give Trump enough credit to how well he lies you know he he's putting together these two completely different things where he's like "All right all my administration is going to lie this way but I'm going to lie directly to my people this way and they're going to coalesce here and they're going to work together perfectly." Which is exactly what happened here he's having like like Rich said $6 trillion tax hikes on
• 14:00 - 14:30 corporate America and they're selling it as if it's a a tax hike on the rest of the world but it's not people are cheering for it if you had told me people would cheer for that I would have told you you're out your mind and to put it into perspective the so the the House passed the um the budget resolution framework uh from the Senate and that to give you a sense that includes $4 trillion in tax cuts so by their own math those and by the way
• 14:30 - 15:00 that's a massive number but if you take the $4 trillion tax cut add the $6 trillion tax increase they are actually increasing taxes on Americans by $2 trillion over the next 10 years it's not a savings you're giving them too much credit i saw somebody that tweeted this morning about if the econ if the if the stock market goes down 10% and then goes back up 10% why are you whining about it and this guy goes well then it's it didn't actually go back up 10% it's at
• 15:00 - 15:30 99 not 100 now like that's how it works this math and this guy he was just completely flabbergasted by it crazy i mean and there's so many other elements to it too like Trump he pitched no tax on tips no tax on social security no tax on overtime if you add all that up it's $9.2 trillion in in revenue loss over the next 10 years so even then like the whole thing doesn't add up and that's the thing that I think we talked about in a previous episode of like Trump is selling all this stuff as if he can make
• 15:30 - 16:00 it all happen with no details whatsoever but now is the time for details and they can't figure it out and that's what you're watching right now they're just falling all over as themselves trying to like deliver on some of these things that they could never deliver on and now they're living in that world and no tax on tips isn't in the bud budget framework they didn't put it in because it's impossible no and it won't be because they can't afford it but that's the Democrat's fault don't worry that's the Democrat just ask any one of these MAGA it's like watching a kid
• 16:00 - 16:30 run for class president in middle school and he's like "Oh we're gonna have a pizza party every day there's gonna be the vending machines everywhere double recess he gets elected and can't do any of it." Yes it's exactly and the kid who went "Yeah and by fundraising we won't have to pay for our trip senior year." Nah they got laughed out of school nerds godamn nerds exactly so So let's But let's talk about that so he is proposing something preposterous like if you take 5 seconds to look at this you're like "This doesn't make any
• 16:30 - 17:00 sense." Like honestly you should just keep status quo if you're going to increase taxes by $2 trillion um mostly on working people how do we start to break through like we're start I I do think we're starting to see some cracks but for the listeners cuz I get and I actually had somebody uh write to me the other day to literally look at a letter that they were sending to a friend who they had broken their relationship like she she didn't know
• 17:00 - 17:30 what to do and she reached out to me and we talked about it but like and it was really more of a divorce of a friendship so that we weren't like in a phase of like trying to solve things but I think there's a lot of people who have friends that believe this stuff still like long-term relationships how I mean this is a trillion dollar question how do we start how do we take advantages of those cracks and make them uh make them basically like wider than you could like
• 17:30 - 18:00 a canyon one word and and that's inflation everyone in in Magaland doesn't matter how uh delusional they are everyone in Magaland understands inflation and with this market instability the promise of tariffs companies are going to raise prices immediately no matter what happens no matter what Trump decides because the threat is there so the inflation that we that he is creating today just through market instability
• 18:00 - 18:30 alone leave aside whether or not the tariffs happen people are going to get hit with that and people who believe that you know Joe Biden made the world a terrible place because everything got so expensive and it was all his fault he's not president anymore and there's only so much that Donald Trump can do when when you know eggs go from $10 to $15 a dozen he's not going to be able to blame Biden forever he can try but at the end of the day when people cannot buy food he's
• 18:30 - 19:00 going to get blamed and to be clear I think I saw this today or yesterday egg prices have broken record for the highest that they have ever been so if we're playing that game which let's be honest the president has little to do with the inflation on that but they made it a major campaign issue that Donald Trump said he was going to tame inflation egg prices today they've been dipping and coming back there's lots of reasons aven flu all of these things they are higher today than they ever were at any other point in history and I
• 19:00 - 19:30 think you're right Chris i think that the pocket like it's very hard to argue that he's tamed inflation he hasn't and he's doing inflationary things even the Fed share is like well I think we see a future where things are good if we don't do basically everything that Donald Trump is saying i mean he said it in a better way but by the way the Fed chair was put in that position by who donald Trump it is his Fed chair so he is he is
• 19:30 - 20:00 backing himself into a corner he usually is he's the slimiest guy on earth he always wiggles his way out but I I agree Chris i don't know if he can survive three and a half years of this uh if this is the way it's going to go the pile on top of what what Chris said I I totally agree I mean it has to be real and it has to be immediate in front of you egg prices is one of those things obviously the accountability has to stay there we have to we have
• 20:00 - 20:30 to unrelentingly hang the accountability on Donald Trump and on congressional Republicans every single day every single week and not let that up and and that's one thing Democrats are terrible at broadly in the Democratic party is As soon as something is resolved we go "Oh you know we didn't we didn't mean to hurt regular Americans we're working together." And they go immediately back to this sort of like kumbaya centrist instead of doing what instead of doing what the Republicans have done which is continue to beat us over the
• 20:30 - 21:00 head with Obamacare which everybody loves and they're still whining about Obamacare 15 years later on top of that I think it's their jobs because if you look at like when these tariffs inevitably come back around um in whatever form what are they hitting really truly the hardest we're talking about building materials construction materials we're talking about metal and wood um and electronics things like that some things that we can't even get here like like Canadian lumber of course um but other things that are just going to be a lot more expensive or take a lot
• 21:00 - 21:30 more time to produce here i was looking at contractor jobs construction jobs there are 8 million Americans right now employed in the construction industry and they drive over they contribute over $2 trillion to our GDP every year these are people building cabinets putting roofs on houses installing floors in your house painting your house like these are people doing real work with their hands they're in the trades they are not they they're deeply deeply skilled in their craft but they are not
• 21:30 - 22:00 college educated they don't have to be college educated people these are great jobs that you can do and make a lot of money but you have to have customers buying that stuff for you to build and install and these tariffs when you do it the way he's doing it right now all he did was just delay the pain nobody's building new lumber mills on a 90-day delay they're just going to sit and wait and I'm I'm not remodeling my house nobody here is remodeling their house right now either because that's going to take 6 months to to lock in and to buy all the materials so all of this
• 22:00 - 22:30 commerce all of this all this activity is just getting paused and all of the people who want to do those jobs are just going to have to sit and wait and find out what he does with their careers well and I want to Chris I or excuse me I know Zach you want you want to speak but to that one of the solutions that they have come up with is that they're going to open public lands for for for uh for lumber and for drilling so then what happens when those areas get decimated and now all of a sudden no tourists go to them you lose that money
• 22:30 - 23:00 again National Park I mean I I will say this till I'm blue in the face national Park Service it's a $3 billion budget that returns 30 to40 billion to the economy every year you cut down all those trees you're not getting that anymore the other part that's hugely important is that we have a affordability crisis in this country the only way to get away from the affordability crisis is to build our way out of it new York City has done some recent things with changing zoning laws and stuff where we're going to start building more and more here but we need
• 23:00 - 23:30 to be building millions and Kla Harris by the way had a plan for this millions of new homes across the country because the only way that you can reduce the uh cost of buying a home is to build more of them and w with this tariff you can kiss that goodbye it's just not going to happen did you guys see last week that video of Kamla giving that speech where she was like "I didn't come here to say I told you so." All I got to say is she's a better person than I am
• 23:30 - 24:00 that's not the first time she's proved that but it's again now i would be up there sh saying I told you so till I was blue in the face she did i mean I I she she was given an she was like looking back on this and seeing some of the internals that the the the Harris campaign had she she was always losing like she she was down like she was given I feel so bad uh I mean I feel bad for the country first but she didn't have she was not given a fair shake she had great policies she had energy she just
• 24:00 - 24:30 didn't have enough time honestly and I you know and I will give Biden you know I I am a huge Joe Biden fan i worked in the by Obama Biden administration but like you know jobing out when it happened she didn't really have a she didn't have a chance which was really unfortunate but she was she had plans for this stuff and I wish that we could have had more time to share them because some of them were very innovative and I think would have made a made a tremendous difference but like we said earlier plans are for nerds Tim
• 24:30 - 25:00 yeah goddamn nerds she should have just said "I'm going to make it all happen day one." And boom we would have been in shape and you know what Luke actually that is probably a lesson that Democrats need to take they can have all the all the policies in the world and we know we have good policies and we know our policies are popular but I do think that there is something to be said for us taking a page out of Donald Trump's book which is a take no prisoners and just own your lane and just drive it all day long and just attack your opponents for literally everything i mean the fact
• 25:00 - 25:30 that Trump is a daddy's boy who got $400 million he's never built like if you as I would love to ask a Trump supporter what is the one thing in business that Donald Trump did that you love so much i would love to hear the answer to that he has Trump power trump casinos yeah he lost money on a casino oh yeah they those are so well performing trump stakes yeah how did Trump stakes Trump Ice all of them trump University did that not only failed but had to pay $25
• 25:30 - 26:00 million to the federal government for defrauding the quoteunquote students i don't know what they learned in this thing but Oh don't don't forget the uh the fact that I think he and his kids are banned from owning nonprofits in New York because they defrauded veterans yeah because they stole money from children right they did yeah foundation right it it got it got sued into oblivion it got shut down and then they all got banned from from trying to from trying to do good things that's how bad they are at doing good things said "You
• 26:00 - 26:30 can't try anymore off." Which by the way has anybody ever heard of anyone being banned from running a nonprofit donald Trump has now now I Yeah I will say that to to give credit Leticia James who's the attorney general of New York is great and I hope as Chris was mentioning I hope that she is still the attorney general of the state when this term ends because I don't care how old this guy is i want everybody going after him for all of this because it is
• 26:30 - 27:00 so blatantly illegal and I hope that the Southern District of New York which is known as the white collar crime prosecuting arm of the federal government I whoever is the president I won't support anybody in the Democratic party that doesn't support going after him after this because they have to yep the question is will he survive that long that's really like I I want him to survive that's the thing for me it can't just be him it's the whole deal all of them the last White House they were secretly sneaking in like crushed
• 27:00 - 27:30 uh like broccoli and stuff into his food or his cauliflower yeah yeah yeah they were they were like trying to make him eat healthy without his knowledge all the time they were using ground up cauliflower yeah that that diet of lukewarm McDonald's isn't so great for you huh yeah they were telling him the cauliflower was mashed potatoes like they were trying to keep them alive i hope everyone in the White House is trying really hard to keep him alive for as long as possible because if we are
• 27:30 - 28:00 robbed of justice of him just like just croaking while in office or after like I don't think that national wounds will be able to heal no that be an issue there'll be conspiracy theorists from here till the second coming if he dies in office but I think I think this is a message to Democrats who are thinking about running for president that this is where the party's at and if you go back and I you know I I'm a huge supporter of President Obama nobody in
• 28:00 - 28:30 the financial crisis went to jail and I think that was a huge mistake because they there was a lot of fraud that happened there and a lot of lives ruined and we didn't do anything now there are some political realities of why but I think part of the reason that that people don't trust Democrats is that we have not lived up to our values and so I am not I will say it right now I will not support a candidate for president in 2028 that does not support opening a criminal investigation against the Trump
• 28:30 - 29:00 administration on day one there's our first day one promise yeah we'll get these i totally agree and you look back at the impeachment and conviction like this is a Charlie Brown and the football moment where even even the Republicans who were saying this is the most abhorrent I've ever seen and Republicans leaving the party and who've still not come back and yet they still said don't worry essentially this is now all behind us this was so horrific donald Trump will never be a thing again and so we don't need to vote
• 29:00 - 29:30 to convict because we you know let's heal and move on and it's like off i have I have an obligatory Mitch McConnell to add here please do i'll always pause for that go Luke obligatory Mitch McConnell oh nice i mean I mean he gave that wonderful speech right where he criticized McConnell and then he walked away from it the other you know but and there in 2026 we're going to have some races where it's time to like you know call in because Susan
• 29:30 - 30:00 Collins who is basically like she she only votes against Republicans when she knows they're going to lose she's I'm from Maine so like this is a sore subject for me because she has been perpetuating a fraud on the Maine residents for a very long time she's done nothing to stop him and we should be doing everything we can to make sure that she is gone in 2026 the same goes with Tom Tillis who did nothing uh to stop Donald Trump in North Carolina there are already candidates jumping into that race i heard the governor Cooper uh former governor is going to
• 30:00 - 30:30 jump in i hope he which is great these people need to be held accountable and I I hope that people who are listening in Maine and listening in North Carolina start to get active because we need to get those people out of office anybody who has helped these people needs to go and I think an army is being built in 2026 and then is going to be in 2028 as well but I hope all Democratic candidates that are listening to this realize the anger and the conviction and
• 30:30 - 31:00 that anger that we have that things need to people need to be held accountable and I'm not talking about Peter Navaro in condemned court and going to jail for 30 days i'm talking about serious prosecutions i don't want to see any of this like we're going to open an investigation but it's going to take years that because we did that in the last term and it didn't work yeah none of the We'll let the Justice Department take its turn no promise these people something and you will get turnout i want a prosecutor as attorney general don't a prosecutor
• 31:00 - 31:30 although guys I think by that time when it comes around it will be a time for healing for the United States oh jeez don't even start oh you know looking backward helps nobody we have to look forward together holding hands with Peter Navaro you know I'm I'm going to steal an analogy from Trump here when you've got cancer you cut it the out yeah no uh yeah Rich is obviously joking um no there needs to be real accountability i
• 31:30 - 32:00 I do think that uh one of Biden's biggest mistakes was picking Merrick Garland to be attorney general um I know why he did it because Merrick got railroaded by Mitch McConnell that guy he felt like he was making a above politics decision by putting a judge in there i will go to my grave saying that Doug Jones was the person that should have been attorney general the guy that actually uh prosecuted white supremacists in the south and won and I am I think that he should be at the top
• 32:00 - 32:30 of the list of any uh candidate i mean I'm sure there are a million other great people but I think part of the reason the Democrats have failed to this clown show is that we don't do what we say we're going to do and you do exactly what Rich said right turn the page it we need to be above politics now and it's like no people don't believe you're going to do the things you're going to do and it is a horrible signal to show the American public that these rich can get away with absolutely anything yep that's 26 100% and I'm not
• 32:30 - 33:00 even thinking now that you're saying this like I don't care who the president is next time around i only care about who the attorney general is that's that's the that's the person because in going back to a Democratic administration we're not going to see the corruption that we have with Pam Bondi and Donald Trump right now right i want an independent prosecutor for an attorney general who is just going to go on a war path against corruption like that that kind of like
• 33:00 - 33:30 campaigning is what I want to see so let's let's dive into I know we we didn't originally talk about this we're weren't going to talk about this but let's dive into it because I think it's important so a couple of the front runners uh have over the last few weeks done some things to basically pivot themselves to the center we've talked about Gavin Newsome's podcast and platforming uh really far right-wing and basically making them seem sane doesn't seem like a good strategy to me but we
• 33:30 - 34:00 also have to talk about Gretchen Whitmer saying somewhat positive things about the tariff war i know she's in a tough state of Michigan though she is term limited so she's done do we think this is a And then the Trump administration used some of her words against her so she basically got used do we think this is a smart strategy no it's the stupidest strategy ever cuz like what what do we get out of it that's the question you have like if
• 34:00 - 34:30 we're going to be in the center that's going closer to Trump that's a mistake i The left needs to be full of conviction and aggressive the opposite of that is moving to the center we need to understand what our moral structure is understand what we want to accomplish and aggressively attack it that's why people like Trump because Trump goes "This is what I want to do i'm doing it i don't care what this person says what that person says i'm going." The Democrats have to adopt that exact same strategy so if they go "Well I don't know." We got to be a little careful you're done you're going to lose again to JD Vance or whoever you have to come
• 34:30 - 35:00 out swinging and if you don't that's it you're going to lose cuz look what Trump is doing trump even realized that in his first term he didn't really go allin in his first term the second term he's like "All right I'm appointing everybody I want i don't care what the optics are like i'm going after every single policy I didn't go after in my first term." And people in on his side love it they're in love with the fact that he's doing this that's why his approval rating is so high is because everybody who's not on the left is like "Hey dude's doing what he said he was going to do he's being aggressive he's actually trying to do something." Democrats have to mirror
• 35:00 - 35:30 that not the policy but the approach 100% i like that yeah and you could do that without breaking the law yes exactly yeah no idea like you you can not do what Trump is doing in like breaking the law at every opportunity and being corrupt at every you can simultaneously ruthlessly prosecute corruption while also forcing through by like it doesn't matter if it's bipartisan if it's popular policies and
• 35:30 - 36:00 you're concerned with nothing but the bully pulpit you can do a lot yeah i mean I think look the the the the Biden coalition did not show up in 2024 and I think a lot of it is because they didn't prosecute and people were like well why why what's the point if you're not going to like hold these people accountable why am I going to give you money why am I going to show up and I think I think that was a big one of the big reasons why we lost well here's the question I
• 36:00 - 36:30 have and I don't have an answer be and I really want one who is the person who is the like the actual like realistic Democratic candidate for president who will do the stuff we're talking about like I don't see anybody where I'm like clearly this is the guy or girl that's going to execute this like no holds barred punch him out plan who is that i don't see it and that scares me so I it's really early and please don't go into any of this next year but um I think there are a couple of people uh I I mean I don't know if they're going to
• 36:30 - 37:00 run but I there are a couple people that I really I really like one of them is JB Pritsker the governor of Illinois who when Donald Trump there were a bunch of uh Democratic governors that were like "We're going to work with the Trump administration." And he was like "Fuck you go yourself i'm not doing that i'm going to protect my people i'm going to keep them safe and everyone ate it up so I think that's one i I mean I think he has presidential aspirations he also has more money than God so he could do it um and I know this one will probably
• 37:00 - 37:30 splinter the group a little bit but honestly like if AOC won the nomination and somehow won she would go after him i'm not saying that that's the right play she would go after him yeah yeah and I think that's why a lot of people respect her i'm not saying we talked about vote for a chicken heartbeat yep yeah i just wonder like I'm curious what the polling would be like right now with her like cuz I I'm I'm on the fence about her just cuz my politics don't fully align with her but I mean against Trump I'll take anybody but like I'm curious what like independence how they would break Trump versus AOC i mean
• 37:30 - 38:00 obviously Trump can't run again but I don't know what the answer is to that because it's like a pretty huge go you know they're go AOC is like Bernie Sanders but just you know not doesn't have the clout of like 40 years of fighting for all this stuff that's what made Bernie so popular that makes me nervous yeah i think it's a good question but I think you know one of the things I think Democrats have failed at is essentially protecting the status quo nobody thinks the status quo is working so anybody who's doing that is going to lose yes and I think that's part of the reason why there is such an appeal with
• 38:00 - 38:30 AOC because she's basically like "No it this is broken." I I worked in government for 5 years in federal government the government's broken but we have to put forward policies and plans that fix that not break it and I think that the person that comes in and says "Yep like it is too hard for a private sector person to get a public sector job." Those people that have like MBAs and all that stuff we should be welcoming the federal government they can't get the jobs because of the restrictions we've got and I think the next person is going to have to rebuild
• 38:30 - 39:00 like I don't even think they're going to be able to rebuild everything that's broken in the first ter this term but they're going to have to rebuild and they're going to have to articulate a vision in which government could be a force for good but not from a status quo perspective but how we rebuild this and that's why I like AOC and we've talked about this before but there were a lot of AOCC's and Donald Trump voters in her district that's what that is what interests me i mean I think she's I my politics align with her for the most part i like her but like the fact that
• 39:00 - 39:30 there were people who were like I like Donald Trump and I like her and that to me is really interesting well so I mean it's obvious why that is is because the perception even though it's not reality the perception is both of them are fighting for working class people right like AOC is Trump is not but I think those those same people see the same quality in both of them because they're messaging to working class people and I think they both get seen as like a a genuine you know like do what they say they're going to do kind of people yeah I I think when you look at 2024
• 39:30 - 40:00 um we we I mean we're all up in our own heads like we we've been we've been in politics for so long We we're seeing all of the things but what the swing voter what the average voter the people we're trying to help remind um have a place in in the Democratic party or at least voting for a Democratic president um they just saw change and they saw Kla Harris coming out there with like sort of these centrist sort of nebulous um you know propositions and and it was
• 40:00 - 40:30 just to your point defense of the status quo and they saw Trump going in there and saying you know like grocery like he he learned the word grocery and then he said it and then he said it a billion times billions and billions of times and that's what people heard was egg prices gas prices you know you're going to have more money than you've ever had before like those are the things that that swing the swing voters and now the pendulum is coming back we all know that we we all know these metrics these numbers enough to know that none of
• 40:30 - 41:00 these things are going to be playable for JD Vance in 2028 like these are this is going to be a dumpster fire that he runs from and tries to excuse and says like I'm the new face like this is a new era of the Republican party like they will dis and and people don't like that either cuz that's just saying well you're just more of the status quo so we we will have a lot of things going for us but what we need most is an unapologetic person with conviction yes who believes who believes not just in leftist policy but in the fact that leftist policy is the best for everybody
• 41:00 - 41:30 yes and it's not it's not hey I am AOC and I'm the best it's not hey this is the Bernie Sanders legacy moving forward like it's you can't frame it like that because the people in the middle aren't voting for that they're voting for I don't care if I have a manufacturing job or construction job or or what I'm doing i want good pay and I want good benefits and I don't want to be priced out of the housing market and out of healthcare those are all things that the Democrats win on we just don't message it well enough yeah you have to communicate it in a way that's the
• 41:30 - 42:00 you know you got to communicate it almost like Trump does i'm going to do this on day one you guys are going to feel the effects it's going to be great you can't say this about I've got you know I'll lower this by this amount or percent that they don't right over the head they don't even understand it anymore i know this isn't like Zach's thing right but I am convinced that the idea of eating the rich of like over the next two years as the economy gets worse and everyone sees these candlelight dinners at Mara Lago while hundreds of
• 42:00 - 42:30 thousands or millions of Americans are losing their jobs i think a Democrat coming in with the we're going to tax the out of these billionaires we're going to specifically if you have a membership at Mara Lago there's a Mara Lago tax now like if that becomes if someone says that on a debate stage I have I believe and I'm not a a uh you know a middle of the road guy but I think that's going to be an attractive like on the main debate stage thing that's going to swing people who aren't interested in
• 42:30 - 43:00 politics like if you've just lost your job while while Elon Musk is making you know is the world's first trillionaire because he's getting more defense contracts the idea of taxing him into oblivion I think is going to look really attractive i agree i mean the thing that I latch on to the most is what Rich said we need somebody who says that with conviction because I think that was the problem with Kla Harris is like all her plans made perfect sense everything sounded great i agreed with almost all of it she said it like "Eh it
• 43:00 - 43:30 it was just I didn't It came off like whatever." And everybody just tuned out you got to have like the next Obama pretty much who comes in and commands the room everybody wants to hear what they have to say cuz they have great things to say and they say it well that has to be like the critical piece that the next person comes in with well who knows maybe if uh Donald Trump decides that he can run for a third term that means that Barack Obama could run for a third term as well i made that video yeah exactly that's why I thought about it i don't think he wants to do that for like that video i think he
• 43:30 - 44:00 would though i I think he would do I think if if the circumstances were so extreme that the right literally changed the Constitution for Trump to have a third term I think that would Obama would be like "All right it i'll save America it's fine." And he'd pop in and do it cuz he knows that a cool tagline let's save America it i'll save it you know what i think this is a perfect time to wrap this up so I want to thank you guys uh for being here with us and um also make sure that you are following us on Substack we open up a channel every week
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