FULL INTERVIEW with Yuri Bezmenov: The Four Stages of Ideological Subversion (1984)

Summary

In an intense interview, former Soviet KGB operative Yuri Bezmenov discusses the intricacies of Soviet espionage and ideological subversion in America. He explains the four stages of subversion used by the KGB to destabilize and influence nations from within, describing how demoralization and destabilization are key elements. Bezmenov highlights the roles of 'useful idiots' and the significant influence of communist ideology infiltrating Western societies. His passionate warning is clear: without a rapid response to curb these ideological attacks, the West risks severe cultural and political consequences.

Highlights

• Yuri Bezmenov details his chilling escape from the KGB and how he assimilated into Western culture 🎬
• The KGB's focus wasn't just on espionage, but on transforming societies with strategic psychological warfare 🧠
• Bezmenov emphasizes how deeply embedded Soviet influence had become in various sectors such as education 🏫
• His firsthand account provides rare insights into Cold War-era espionage tactics and their implications today ☢️
• The interview serves as an important historical document for understanding both the past and ongoing geopolitical dynamics ⚖️

Key Takeaways

• Understanding Soviet tactics is crucial to countering ideological subversion 🎯
• Demoralization in America has been in effect for decades, affecting education and media 📰
• The importance of educational efforts to foster true American patriotism is more pressing than ever 🇺🇸
• The Soviet strategy relies heavily on the manipulation of information and the use of 'useful idiots' to unknowingly spread propaganda 🕵️
• Without addressing internal vulnerabilities, societies remain at risk of external subversion threats 🌐

Overview

Yuri Bezmenov's interview presents a stark perspective on the Soviet Union's efforts to subvert nations through ideological warfare. As a KGB defector, he unveils the four stages of ideological subversion: demoralization, destabilization, crisis, and normalization. His infectious passion highlights the slow, systemic erosion of Western values by communist ideologies.

Throughout the discussion, Bezmenov reveals the critical role of 'useful idiots' in the West who inadvertently aid in spreading Soviet propaganda. These individuals, often intellectuals or media figures, serve as unwitting agents in the KGB's strategy to reframe reality and weaken societies internally before any overt acts occur.

Captured in the early 80s, his insights into the psychological operations and the mechanics of subversion remain relevant today. As global politics evolve, revisiting Bezmenov's warnings provides a blueprint for recognizing and responding to modern threats against national security and cultural cohesion.

Chapters

• 00:00 - 10:00: Introduction and Early Life The chapter introduces the narrator's father, who was an officer in the general staff of the Soviet Army. His role included inspecting Soviet troops stationed in various countries such as Mongolia and Cuba.
• 10:00 - 20:00: Life in the Soviet Union The chapter titled 'Life in the Soviet Union' provides insight into the personal experiences of a Soviet student. The narrator discusses their time at the institute of oriental languages, part of Moscow State University, and mentions the obligatory volunteer work harvesting grain in Kazakhstan. A significant moment recounted is the recruitment by the KGB, an event documented in a photograph where the narrator points out the number of bottles on the table, indicating the celebratory nature of the occasion. This reflects the narrator's complex emotions and the cultural atmosphere during that period.
• 20:00 - 30:00: Defecting from the Soviet Union The chapter titled 'Defecting from the Soviet Union' describes the experience of a person who was assigned by the KGB to accompany a group of American journalists from Look Magazine who visited the USSR in 1967. The visitors were there to cover the 50th anniversary of the October Socialist Revolution. The speaker implies that the information provided to these journalists was manipulated or dishonest, as they describe it as 'a package of lies' from start to finish. The narrative hints at practices used by the Soviet authorities, such as keeping foreign guests intoxicated, to manage perceptions.
• 30:00 - 40:00: Life in Canada The chapter titled 'Life in Canada' begins with a conversation featuring Mr. Yuri Alexandrovich Besmianov, who was born in 1939 in a suburb of Moscow. His father was a high-ranking officer in the Soviet army, and he received his education in elite schools. The chapter sets the stage with an audio backdrop, described simply as 'Music'.
• 40:00 - 50:00: Ideological Subversion and Soviet Propaganda The chapter titled 'Ideological Subversion and Soviet Propaganda' explores the inner workings of Soviet PR, specifically focusing on the agency 'Novastie,' which also served as a front for the KGB. The chapter highlights the career of an expert in Indian culture and languages, who was involved in the Soviet mission to influence and brainwash foreign diplomats visiting Moscow. Through strategic planting of information, these brainwashing tactics were designed to manipulate foreign perceptions, illustrating a broader strategy of ideological subversion.
• 50:00 - 60:00: Stages of Ideological Subversion The chapter titled 'Stages of Ideological Subversion' introduces an individual, who escaped to the West in 1970 due to his disillusionment with the Soviet system, at great personal risk. He is recognized as an expert in Soviet propaganda, disinformation, and active measures. The chapter begins by delving into his childhood memories, particularly focusing on the vivid recollections of the Second World War.
• 60:00 - 70:00: Impact and Solutions The chapter discusses the dramatic shift in perception towards the United States after World War II. Initially viewed as a friendly nation that aided in defeating Nazism, the U.S. quickly became perceived as a hostile enemy. Newspapers propagated an image of American imperialism, portraying the U.S. as an aggressive power. This narrative caused a significant shift in public perception and was a shocking transition for many who had previously seen the U.S. as an ally.

FULL INTERVIEW with Yuri Bezmenov: The Four Stages of Ideological Subversion (1984) Transcription

• 00:00 - 00:30 my father was he is on the left here my father was officer of the general staff of the soviet army he was inspector of land forces soviet troops stationed in countries like mongolia cuba
• 00:30 - 01:00 east european countries this is the picture taken at the entrance of my institute of oriental languages it's a part of moscow state university as every soviet student i was quote unquote volunteering for harvesting grain in kazakhstan by the end of my training in school i was recruited by the kgb this picture was taken on that day and you can see again how happy it feels to be recruited by the kgb pay special attention to number of bottles on the table one of my functions
• 01:00 - 01:30 was to keep foreign guests permanently intoxicated the moment they land at moscow airport in 1967 the kgb attached me to this magazine look magazine a group of 12 people arrived to ussr from united states to cover the 50th anniversary of october socialist revolution in my country from the first page to the last page it was a package of lies
• 01:30 - 02:00 [Music] [Music] our conversation is with mr yuri alexandrovich besmianov mr besvanov was born in 1939 in a suburb of moscow he was the son of a high-ranking soviet army officer he was educated in the elite schools
• 02:00 - 02:30 inside the soviet union and became an expert in indian culture and indian languages he had an outstanding career with novastie which was the pr and still is i should say the press arm or the press agency of the soviet union it turns out that this is also a front for the kgb one of his interesting assignments was to brainwash foreign diplomats when they visited moscow and he'll tell us a little bit about how they did this and how they planted information which eventually wound up in
• 02:30 - 03:00 the press of the free world he escaped to the west in 1970 after becoming totally disgusted with the soviet system and he did this at great risk to his life he certainly is one of the world's outstanding experts on the subject of soviet propaganda and disinformation and active measures mr besmianov i'd like to begin by having you tell us a little bit about some of your childhood memories well the most vivid memory of my childhood was second world war
• 03:00 - 03:30 or to be more precise the end of the second world war when all of a sudden united states from a friendly uh nation which helped us to defeat nazism turned overnight into a deadly enemy and it was very shocking because all newspapers were trying to present an image of belligerent aggressive american imperialism most of the things that we were taught is that united states is aggressive power which is just about
• 03:30 - 04:00 to invade our beautiful free socialist country uh that american cia is dropping colorado beetles on our beautiful potato fields to eliminate our crops and each schoolboy had a picture of colorado bug on the on the back page of his notebook and we were instructed to go into collective fields to search for those little colorado bugs of course we couldn't find any neither we could find many potatoes and
• 04:00 - 04:30 that was explained again by the encroachments of the decadent imperialist power the anti-american paranoia hysteria in in the soviet propaganda was to such an a of such a higher degree that many less skeptical people or less stubborn would really believe that united states is just about to invade our beautiful motherland and some secretly hope that it will come true that's interesting yes well getting back
• 04:30 - 05:00 to life inside the soviet union or inside communist countries in general in this country at the university level primarily we read and hear that uh the soviet system is different from ours but not that different and that there is a convergence developing between all of the systems of the world and that really doesn't make an awful lot of difference what system you live under because you have corruption and dishonesty and tyranny and all that sort of thing from your
• 05:00 - 05:30 personal experience what is the difference between life under communism and life in the united states well life is obviously very much different for simple reason that the soviet union is a state capitalist economically it's a state capitalism where an individual has absolutely no rights no value his life is nothing it's just like an insect he is disposable whereby in the united states even the even the worst criminal is treated as a human being
• 05:30 - 06:00 he has a fair trial and some of them capitalize on their crimes they they publish their memoirs in their prisons and get handsomely paid by your crazy publishers the differences of course in the daily life are very various depending on who whom we are talking about in my own private life i never suffered from communism simply because i was brought up in the family of high ranking military officer
• 06:00 - 06:30 most of the doors were open for me most of my expenses were paid by the government and i never had any troubles in with the authorities or with the police so in other words i i would say i i enjoyed or i had good reasons to enjoy all the advantages of so-called socialists system my main motivations to defect was had nothing to do with affluence it was mainly moral indignation moral
• 06:30 - 07:00 protest rebellion against the inhuman methods of of the soviet system well specifically what did you object to i objected first of all against oppression of my own dissidents and intellectuals and that was the most disgusting thing that that i witnessed as a as a young man young student who was brought up a very troublesome period in our history from stalin to khrushchev from total tyranny and oppression to
• 07:00 - 07:30 some kind of liberalization second when i started working for the soviet embassy in india i to my horror i discovered that we are millions times more oppressive than any colonial or imperialist power in the history of mankind that my country brings to india not freedom progress and friendship between the nations but racism exploitation and slavery and and of course economical
• 07:30 - 08:00 inefficiency to this country since i fell in love with india i i developed something which by kgb standards is extremely dangerous thing it's called split loyalty when an agent likes a country of assignment more than his own country i literally fell in love with this beautiful country a country of great contrasts but also great humility great tolerance and and if philosophical and intellectual freedoms my ancestors used to live in caves and eat raw meat when
• 08:00 - 08:30 india was highly civilized nation six thousand years ago so obviously the choice was not to the advantage of my own nation i decided to defect and to entirely dissociate myself from that brutal regime mr besmianov we've read a lot about the concentration camps and the slave labor camps under the stalin regime now the general impression in america is that those things are part of the past are they still going on today or what is
• 08:30 - 09:00 the status yes there is no qualitative change in in the soviet concentration camp system there are changes in in numbers of prisoners again this is uh unreliable soviet statistics we don't know how many political prisoners are there in the soviet concentration camps but we sure know from from various sources that at each particular time there are
• 09:00 - 09:30 close to 25 to 30 million of soviet citizens who are virtually kept as slaves in forced labor camp system the size of the population of country like canada is serving terms as prisoners incredible so um i would say that those intellectuals who try to convince american public that concentration camp system is a thing of a past are either
• 09:30 - 10:00 conscientiously misleading public opinion or they are not in very intellectual people they they're selectively blind they don't they lack um intellectual honesty when they say that well we've spoken about the intellectuals in this country and also the intellectuals in the soviet union what about down at the broad mass level do the
• 10:00 - 10:30 people in general the worker and the working people the workers in general and the soviet union do they support the system do they tolerate it what is their attitude well average soviet citizen if there is such an animal of course does not like the system because it hurts it kills he may not understand the the reasons he may not have enough information or or educational background to understand but i doubt very much there are many
• 10:30 - 11:00 people who are conscientiously supporting the soviet system that are not such such people in ussr even those who have all the reasons to enjoy socialism people like myself were a member of journalistic elite uh they they also hate system for for different reasons though not because they lack material affluence but because they are unfree to think they're in constant fear duplicity split personality and this is
• 11:00 - 11:30 the greatest tragedy for my nation well what do you think are the chances of the people actually overcoming their system or replacing it there is a great possibility that system will sooner or later be destroyed from within that is a self-destructive mechanism built in into any socialist or communist or fascist system because there is lack of feedback because the system does not rely upon loyalty of population
• 11:30 - 12:00 but until and until this soviet junta is being supported by the western so-called imperialists that is multinational companies establishments governments and let's face it intellectuals so-called academia in the united states is famous for supporting the soviet system as long as the soviet junta will keep on receiving credits money technology grain deals and
• 12:00 - 12:30 political recognition from all these traitors of democracy or freedom uh there is no hope there is not much hope for for changes in my country and the system will not collapse by itself simply because it's being nourished by so-called american imperialism this is the greatest paradox in history of mankind when a capitalist world supports
• 12:30 - 13:00 and actively nourishes its own destruct destroyer destructor i think you're trying to tell us something oh yes i'm trying to tell you that it has to be stopped unless you want to end up in in gulag system and enjoy all the advantages of socialist equality uh working for free catching fleas on your body sleeping on on the planks of plywood in in alaska this time
• 13:00 - 13:30 i guess that's where americans will belong unless they will wake up of course and force their government to stop aiding soviet fascism well you told us a moment ago why you left the system i'd like to hear the details of how you did it it must have been a very dangerous thing it was not so dangerous it was crazy first of all because defecting in india is virtually impossible thanks to very strong
• 13:30 - 14:00 pressure from the soviet government excuse me you were in india on assignment yes i was working for the soviet embassy in new delhi as a press officer and uh defecting for a soviet diplomat is next to impossible it's a suicide as i said because a great friend indira gandhi pushed a law through parliament which says and i quote no defector from any country has a right of political asylum
• 14:00 - 14:30 in any embassy on the territory of indian republic which is a masterpiece of hypocrisy no other defector but the soviet one needs a political asylum so knowing that perfectly well i i i planned a craziest possible way to defect i studied counter culture in india there are there were thousands of young american boys and girls with no shoes long hair smoking hush and marijuana studying
• 14:30 - 15:00 sometimes indian philosophy sometimes simply pretending that they study and they greatly annoyed indian police and they were laughing stock of indians because obviously they were good for nothing students i studied carefully where they congregate what routes they travel what language they speak what do they smoke and one day i simply joined a group of hippies to avoid detection of indian police
• 15:00 - 15:30 i was dressed as a typical hippie with blue jeans long cummies shirts with all kind of nice decorations like beads long hairs uh i i bought a wig because for several weeks i had to turn myself from a conservative soviet diplomat into a very progressive american hippie and that was the only way that that i could uh avoid detection
• 15:30 - 16:00 it was very interesting experience but it was necessary because um from my own knowledge as a member of soviet embassy staff i knew that there were many cases when soviet defectors were betrayed by indian police and also some western embassies played a very dirty role in betraying the soviet defectors according to our information they were some i wouldn't call them double agents but simply
• 16:00 - 16:30 a moral people working for this for the united states embassy and uh confining in in people like this would be a suicide so i had to be extremely careful i could not trust anyone uh and that was the that was the reason for such a crazy way to defect well had you been caught in the act of trying to get out what would have happened to you oh most likely i would i end up in in
• 16:30 - 17:00 concentration camp or depending on the situation and on the on the whim of some bureaucrat and kgb uh maybe even executed that this is normal practice quietly of course not publicly but that would be the end of my defection of course well when did you finally make it to the united states uh in 1970 after about six months of debriefing in athens by
• 17:00 - 17:30 the cia and i presume fbi too they let me go first to germany then to canada that was my decision i had to change my identity to protect my family and my friends in ussr and also i was little bit paranoid uh knowing that both soviet kgb and probably some double agents within american system may be after me so i wanted to settle down as far away
• 17:30 - 18:00 as possible i requested cia to give me some kind of new identity and just let me go on my own and i settled in canada i was a student i changed many professions from farm help and and laundry truck driver to instruct language instructor and broadcaster for canadian broadcasting corporations in montreal have you had
• 18:00 - 18:30 any threats on your life or any uh yeah uh in about five years kgb eventually discovered that i'm working for canadian broadcasting uh see i made a very big mistake i started talk i started working for overseas service of cbc which is similar to voice of america in russian language and of course monitoring service in ussr picked up every new voice uh every new announcer would they they would make it a point to
• 18:30 - 19:00 discover who he is and in five years sure enough slowly but surely they discovered that i am not thomas schuman that i am yuri aleksandrovich bismianov and the time working for canadian broadcasting and undermining beautiful the town between canada and ussr and the soviet ambassador alexander yakovlev made it his personal effort to discredit me he complained to pierre trudeau who is known to be a little bit soft on socialism and
• 19:00 - 19:30 the management of cbc behaved in a very strange cowardly way unbecoming to representatives of a independent country like canada they listened to every suggestion that soviet ambassador gave and they started shameful investigation analyzing content of my broadcasts to ussr sure enough they discovered that some of
• 19:30 - 20:00 my statements were probably to would be offending to the soviet politburo so i had to to leave my my job and of course subtle intimidations they would say something like please cross the street carefully because you know traffic is very heavy in quebec and fortunately i know about the psychology and the logic of activity of the kgb and i
• 20:00 - 20:30 never allowed myself to be intimidated this is the worst thing this is what they expect a person a defector to be intimidated once they spot that that you are scared they keep on developing that line and then uh eventually you either have to give up entirely and and work for them or you they neutralize you they they would definitely stop all kind of political activity which they failed to do in my case
• 20:30 - 21:00 because i was stubbornly working for the canadian broadcasting and in response to their intimidations i said that look this is a free country and i am as free as you are and i also can drive very fast and gun control is not yet established in canada so i had a couple of good shotguns in my basement so welcome to visit me someday with your kalashnikov's machine guns so obviously it didn't work intimidation didn't work
• 21:00 - 21:30 so they they tried different approach as i described they approached on the highest level on the level of canadian bureaucracy and that level they were on that level they were successful on individual level they failed flat mr besmianov has brought a series of slides with him that he has taken from the soviet union and i think this is a good time to take a look at the slides now the viewers will be able to see these slides as we talk about them yes this is a
• 21:30 - 22:00 collection of slides which are some of them are snapshots from my family album some of them are documents which i smuggled from the soviet embassy and some are reproductions from local mass media i usually show them to establish my credibility as a de facto this is a picture of my native town metish about 20 miles not from moscow characteristically there's a statue of comrade lenin in the central square this is myself at the age of seven again
• 22:00 - 22:30 characteristically on the statue of comrade stalin extending his friendly hand to peoples of the world at that age of course uh i was still idealistically minded young communist and um i still believe that sooner or later things will go for better but i realized that the system stinks that something is fishy and that ideology is is fake and the uh propaganda about that
• 22:30 - 23:00 advanced soviet agriculture simply didn't meet the criteria of reality if they talk about uh abundance of food and there's none in the stores there must be something wrong my father was he is on the left here my father was officer of the general staff of the soviet army he was inspector of land forces soviet troops stationed in countries like mongolia cuba east european countries were here alive
• 23:00 - 23:30 today most likely he would be inspecting soviet troops in in nicaragua angola and many other parts of the world fortunately he died and he didn't see the disgrace because deep inside he was a russian patriot he didn't he didn't like the idea of expanding soviet military might especially in the areas where we were not welcomed at all unlike many other military officers he was reporting directly to the minister of defense bypassing kgb and diplomatic service in
• 23:30 - 24:00 other words he was a trusted military professional and my impression that this type of people are much less hawkish and adventuristic than party bureaucrats in kremlin when american mass media describes soviet military as potentially dangerous counterpart for for pentagon i simply laugh because i know better i know that the most dangerous part of the soviet power structures are not military at all most likely if they come to power in my country there
• 24:00 - 24:30 will be more sensible negotiators for nuclear disarmament and withdrawal of the soviet troops from many parts of the world but if someone from the party structure or the kgb structure were to give the orders for military they have to obey as far as their their professional military but they you see the triangle of power and hate in ussr is the party at the top the party elite the oligarchy of the party then the military and the kgb at the bottom they hate each other and the the most
• 24:30 - 25:00 hated triangle the most hated corner of the triangle is the communist party bureaucrats they are the most adventuristic senile megalomaniacs they can start war i wouldn't be surprised not the military they know what war is yes at least my father did this is the picture taken at the at the entrance of my institute of oriental languages it's a part of moscow state university i graduated in 1963
• 25:00 - 25:30 and i just excuse me which one were you on i i'm on the right you're on the right and on the left is my uh call my schoolmate vadim smirnov who later was a aparachid in the central committee of the soviet union communist party what is an apparatchik it's it's a it's a function it's something like civil service in british empire some someone who is never fired from from the service he stays there internally he may not be promoted to high but he's a dependable
• 25:30 - 26:00 bureaucrat who will stay forever i started not only languages but also history literature even music i'm on this picture i'm trying to learn how to play musical in indian musical instrument i haven't tried to look like an indian when i was second year students not bad right uh yes and actually it was strongly encouraged by the by the instructors in my school because these the graduates of my school were
• 26:00 - 26:30 later on employed as diplomats foreign journalists or spies as every soviet student i was quote unquote volunteering for harvesting grain in kazakhstan this is a biggest agricultural blunder of the soviet government but i didn't have much choice of course because the communist motto borrowed from the bible says those who do not work shall not eat and you can see me eating
• 26:30 - 27:00 therefore i was working and you can see how happy i was about it i went through a very extensive physical and military training including the manure including the military games in areas suburban areas of moscow and here for example we are on the tour in arkhangelsk area and by the end of my training in school i was recruited by the kgb this picture was taken on that day and you can see
• 27:00 - 27:30 again how happy it feels to be recruited by the kgb our conversation with yuri alexandrovich besmianov who is a defector from the soviet union a former propaganda agent for navasti and the kgb will continue after this message [Music]
• 27:30 - 28:00 [Music] all right as every student in ussr i i went through very extensive physical and military training and civil defense training too unlike in united states where civil defense is virtually non-existent zero in ussr every student whatever is major subject has to go
• 28:00 - 28:30 through very extensive four-year military and civil defense training you can see me here with the group of students during one of the war games in near moscow the main idea of course is to prepare a huge reserve army of of the ussr each student has to to graduate as a junior lieutenant in my case it was administrative and military intelligence service my first assignment
• 28:30 - 29:00 was to india as a translator with the soviet economical aid group building refinery complexes in bihar state and gujarat state at that time i was still naively idealistically believing that what i was doing contributes to the understanding and cooperation between the nations uh it took me quite a number of years to realize that what we were bringing to india was a new type of colonialism thousand times more oppressive and exploitative than any colonialism or
• 29:00 - 29:30 imperialism in history of mankind but at that time i was still hoping that well maybe it's not that bad could be worse and things may go for better and i even tried to implement the beautiful marxist motor proletarians of all the countries unite i tried to unite with the nice indian girl and i was actually i was fascinated by indian culture by by the family life in in this country
• 29:30 - 30:00 but obviously communist party had different plans for my genes so i had to marry this beautiful russian girl in the span of my career i married three times most of these marriages were marriages of convenience on advice from the department of personnel this is normal practice in ussr when a soviet citizen is assigned to a foreign job he has to be married either to keep family in ussr as hostages or if it's a convenience marriage like mine
• 30:00 - 30:30 uh so that the husband and wife are virtually informers on each other to prevent defection or contamination by decadent imperialist or capitalist ideas in my case i hated that girl so much that the moment i landed in moscow we we were divorced and i i married later second time by the end of my first assignment in india i was promoted to the position of public relation officer you can see me here translating
• 30:30 - 31:00 a speech by a soviet boss and you're on the right i'm on the right here yes and it was the occasion was commissioning of the refinery complex in bihar barrani uh back in moscow i was immediately recruited by novice press agency which is a propaganda and ideological subversion front for the kgb 75 percent of the members of the novosti are commissioned officers of the kgb the other 25 are like myself co-opted agents who are
• 31:00 - 31:30 assigned to specific operations in this particular case you can see me talking to students of lumumba friendship university in moscow um this is the you know a huge school under the direct control of the kgb and central community where future leaders of the so-called national liberation movements are being educated and selected carefully and some of them have absolutely
• 31:30 - 32:00 neither this for example is a group of students from lumumba they don't look like students at all they look more like military and that's exactly what they were they were dispatched back to their countries to be leaders of the so-called national liberation movements or to be translated into normal human language leaders of international terrorist groups another uh area of activity when i was working for the nova sc was to accompany groups of so-called progressive intellectuals
• 32:00 - 32:30 writers journalists publishers teachers professors of of colleges you can see me here in kremlin i'm second on the left with a group of pakistani and indian intellectuals most of them pretended they don't understand that we are actually working on behalf of the soviet government and the kgb they pretended that they are actually being guests a vip intellectuals that they are treated according to their merits and
• 32:30 - 33:00 and their intellectual abilities for us they were just a bunch of political prostitutes to be taken advantage for various propaganda operations therefore you can see perfectly well the senior colleague of mine on the left doesn't really have that much respect on his face and myself with a very skeptical smile typical kgb sarcastic smile anticipating another victim of of ideological
• 33:00 - 33:30 brainwashing this is how at a typical uh conference in novosti headquarters in moscow look likes the sitting in the middle is boris burkhoff the then director of navy press agency high ranking party bureaucrat in the department of propaganda i am standing next to a famous indian poet sumitra nandan pant he was famous because he was an author he was the author of the famous poem titled rhapsody to lenin that's why
• 33:30 - 34:00 he was invited to ussr and everything was paid by the soviet government the pay special attention to number of bottles on the table this is one of the ways to kill the awareness or curiosity of foreign journalists my one of my functions was to keep foreign guests permanently intoxicated the moment they land at moscow airport i had to take them to the vip launch and
• 34:00 - 34:30 toast to friendship and understanding between the nations of the world glass of vodka then the second glass of vodka and in no time my guests would be feeling very happy they would see everything in kind of pink nice color and that's the way i i had to keep them permanently for the next 15 or 20 days at certain point in time i had to withdraw alcohol from them so that some of them who are the most recruitable would feel a little bit
• 34:30 - 35:00 shaky guilty trying to remember what they were talking last night that's the time to approach them with all kind of nonsense such as joint communicate or statement for for soviet propaganda that's the time they are the most flexible and of course what they didn't understand they didn't realize or pretended not to realize that myself who was drinking together with them was not drinking at all i had ways to get rid of alcohol through various techniques including special pills which were given to me by
• 35:00 - 35:30 my colleagues but they were taking it seriously in other words they they would consume quite a large volumes of alcohol and feel quite uneasy next morning in 1967 the kgb attached me to this magazine look magazine a group of 12 people arrived to ussr from united states to cover the 50th anniversary of october socialist revolution in my country from the first page to the last page it
• 35:30 - 36:00 was a package of lies propaganda cliche which were presented to american readers as opinions and deductions of american journalists nothing could be far from truth this were not opinions they were not opinions at all they were the cliches which the soviet propaganda wants american public to think that they think that if it does make any sense at all
• 36:00 - 36:30 it sure does because from the viewpoint of the soviet propaganda although there are some subtle criticism of the soviet system the basic message is that russia today is a nice functioning efficient system supported by majority of population that's the biggest lie and of course american intellectuals and journalists from look magazine elaborated on that untruth in various different ways they intellectualized that lie they found all kinds of justifications
• 36:30 - 37:00 for telling lies to american public this is excuse me it was partly your job to make sure that they got these ideas and accepted them as their own ideas right actually even before they arrived to ussr and they paid astronomical sum of money for that visit uh they were submitted this novice press agency developed so-called backgrounders 20 25 pages of information and opinions
• 37:00 - 37:30 which were presented to the journalists even before they bought their tickets to moscow they had to analyze this situation and judging on their reaction to that background the local novice representative or local soviet diplomat in washington dc would assess whether they have whether they be given visa to ussr or not but they were selected oh yes they were they were pre-selected very carefully and there is not much chance for honest journalists to arrive to ussr and to stay there for one year and to
• 37:30 - 38:00 bring this package of lies back home this for example is a center fold of the tie of the look magazine they presented this monument erected by communist party in stalingrad as the symbol personification of russian military might and they said in the article which is published on the side that soviets are very proud of the victory in the second world war this is another big myth a lie no sensible people would be proud to lose
• 38:00 - 38:30 20 millions of their countrymen in the war which was started by genocide hitler and comrade stalin and paid by american multinationals most of the soviet citizens look at this type of monuments with disgust and sorrow because every family lost father brother sister or child in the second world war yet american journalists who were trying to appease to please their hosts presented this picture on the center fold
• 38:30 - 39:00 as the symbol and personification of soviet national they call it russian national spirit and it was greatest greatest misconception and a very tragic misunderstanding of course look magazine was not distributed in ussr the main audience was in the united states but i presume that many americans millions of americans who were reading look magazine at that time
• 39:00 - 39:30 had absolutely wrong idea about the sentiments of my nation about what the soviets are proud of and what they hate this is a group you see the same lady with this ward in stalingrad this is the group of journalists myself is in the center with the same devilish smile and mr philip harrington is on the extreme left there with with his camera this is the gentleman which was so deaf or so uninterested in what i had to say
• 39:30 - 40:00 to him this is the same picture a blow up of the same the same picture many many guests from various countries in this particular case from asia and africa were taken by me as a novice to press agency employee for a tour across siberia for example we would show them typical kindergarten you see nothing special by american standards just nice children sitting eating their
• 40:00 - 40:30 breakfast or or lunch what they could not understand or they pretended not to understand that this is an exemplary kindergarten this is not the kindergarten for average person or average family in ussr and we maintain that illusion in their minds you can see myself under the red spot in the middle there with the same business-like expression i'm on you know i'm doing my job that that's what i'm assigned to do and that's what i was
• 40:30 - 41:00 paid to do but deep inside i still hope that at least some of these useful idiots would understand that what they are looking at has nothing to do with the level of affluence in my nation this is a better picture which reflects the true spirit of of the soviet uh soviet childhood this picture was printed in a canadian government publication by mistake in the middle you can see children playing on a
• 41:00 - 41:30 small courtyard and the caption goes this is a typical kindergarten in siberia what these idiots didn't understand that it is not kindergarten at all it is a prison for children of political prisoners but there was not a single mentioning that what they were visiting actually was an area of concentration camps and the job of people like myself to help them to not to notice that they are actually talking to prisoners
• 41:30 - 42:00 most of the children were dressed especially on the occasion of the foreigners visit the of course there were no corpses in on the ground there were no machine gun guards and the well it looks not very pleasant as you see it looks dull but obviously it does not create an impression that this is actually a prison well did any of the journalists have the uh curiosity to ask about uh prisons and that kind of thing they were in siberia this is what you saw yes some of them asked questions and
• 42:00 - 42:30 naturally we would give them the for the stupid question we give them stupid answer no there are no prisons in siberia no most of the people who you see are free citizens of ussr they are very happy to be here and they are contributing to the glory of the socialist system uh some of them pretended that they they believe what what i was telling them and um most of them we may discuss it later what are the motivations of these people
• 42:30 - 43:00 why would they stubbornly bring lies to their own population through their own mass media i have various answers to this there is not a single explanation it's a complex of explanations it's fear pure biological fear they understand that they are on the territory of an enemy state a police state and just to save their rotten skins and their miserable jobs their affluence back home they would prefer to tell a lie then to to ask truthful questions and and report truthful information
• 43:00 - 43:30 second most of these schmucks were afraid to lose their jobs because obviously if you tell truth about my country you will not last long as a correspondent of new york times or los angeles times they will fire you what kind of correspondent are you you obviously cannot find common language with russians if they kick you out in 24 hours so just by by trying to be conformist to their own editorial bosses they tried not to offend the sentiments
• 43:30 - 44:00 of the soviet administrators and people like myself deep inside i hope they would insult my uh or offend my sentiments obviously they preferred not to another reason uh i did i refuse to believe it but obviously there is another reason obviously it's agreed these people earn a lot of money when they come back to usa they claim that they are experts in my country they write books which sells in million
• 44:00 - 44:30 copies titled like russians the truth about russia most of it is lie about russia yet they claim to be sovietologists they they break they play back myth about my country the propaganda cliches yet they are stubbornly resist the word of truth if a person like solzhenitsyn is either defecting or kicked out of ussr they try all their best to dis to discredit him and to discourage him
• 44:30 - 45:00 i don't have much chance to appear on national network uh with the true story about my country but a useful edit like hendrick smith or robert kaiser they are big heroes they come back from ussr they say oh we were talking to dissidents in russia big deal soviet distances are chasing american correspondents in the streets and they are cowardly escaping from these contacts for some strange reason if you want to know more about spain you refer to spanish writers if you want
• 45:00 - 45:30 to learn more about french you read french or writers even about antarctica i bet you would read penguins only about the soviet union for some strange reason you read hendricks and schmendricks and all kind of kissingers because they claim that they know more about my country they know nothing or next to nothing or they pretend that they know more than they actually do i would say they are dishonest people who lack integrity and
• 45:30 - 46:00 common sense and intellectual honesty they bring back all kind of stories like that a kindergarten in siberia a meeting the most important fact it's a prison for children of political prisoners another greatest example of monumental idiocy of american politicians edward kennedy was in moscow and he thought that he is a popular charismatic
• 46:00 - 46:30 american politician who is easy going who can smile dance at the wedding in in russian palace of marriages what he does what he did not understand or maybe he pretended not to understand that actually he was being taken for a ride this is a staged bedding especially to impress foreign media or or useful idiots like ed kennedy most of the of the guests there they had security clearance and they were instructed what to say to
• 46:30 - 47:00 foreigners this is exactly what i was doing you can see me in the same damn bedding palace in moscow where ed kennedy was dancing here you see smiling he thinks he is very smart from the viewpoint of russian citizens who observe this idiocy he is he's narrow-minded egocentrical idiot who tries to earn his own popularity through the uh through participation in propaganda forces like this here you can see myself on the right
• 47:00 - 47:30 again exemplary soviet bride on the left three journalists from various countries asia africa and latin america obviously they enjoying the situation they they will go back home and write the reports we were present and on the regular soviet wedding they were not present on the regular soviet they were present they were part of a farce of a circus performance another thing which i had to
• 47:30 - 48:00 sometimes risking my life to explain to foreigners time magazine for example is very critical of south african racist regime the whole article was dedicated to the shameful internal passport system where black blacks are not allowing to live with whites for some strange reason for the last 14 years since my defection nobody wanted to pay attention to my passport this is my passport it also shows my nationality
• 48:00 - 48:30 and it it has a police rubber stamp which is called prapiska in russian language which assigns me to a certain area of residence i cannot leave that area same way as this black man cannot leave the area in south africa yet we call south african government racist regime not a single jane jane schmonder or fonda is brave enough courageous enough to come to media and say look this is what happens in ussr i send a copy of my passport to many
• 48:30 - 49:00 american liberals and civil rights uh defenders and all the other useful idiots they never they never bothered to answer me back this shows what kind of integrity what kind of honesty these people are they're a bunch of hypocrites because they don't want to recognize a good example of racism in my country this is the first stage of befriending a professor you can see myself on the left with the same james bond
• 49:00 - 49:30 smile on my on the right is my kgb supervisor congratulations and in the middle a professor of political science in delhi university the next stage would be to invite him to a gathering of in the soviet friendship society there he is sitting next to his wife before he is being sent to ussr for free trip everything is paid by the soviet government he was made to believe that he is invited to ussr because he is a talented sober thinking intellectual
• 49:30 - 50:00 absolutely false he is invited because he is a useful idiot because he would agree and subscribe to most of the soviet propaganda cliche and when he is coming back to his own country he is going for years and years to teach the beauties of soviet socialism to newer and newer generations of his students thus promoting the soviet propaganda line the kgb was even curious about this gentleman it may look innocent
• 50:00 - 50:30 maharishi mahesh yogi a great spiritual leader or maybe a great charlatan and crook depending on which from which side you are looking at him beetles were trained at his ashram in hardware in india how to meditate mia faro and and other uh useful idiots from hollywood visited his uh school and they returned back to united states absolutely zonked out of their minds with marijuana hashish and crazy ideas of meditation
• 50:30 - 51:00 to meditate in other words to isolate oneself from the current social and political issues of your own country to get into your own bubble to forget about troubles of the world obviously kgb was very fascinated with such a beautiful school such a brainwashing center for stupid americans i was dispatched by the kgb to check what kind of vip americans attend this school that's you on the left yes i'm on the left i i i was trying to get enrolled in that
• 51:00 - 51:30 school unfortunately maharishi mahashiyogi asked too much he wanted 500 american dollars for enrollment but my function was not actually to get enrolled in the school my function was to discover what kind of people from united states attend this school and we discovered that yes there are some influential members of family public opinion makers of united states who come back with the crazy stories
• 51:30 - 52:00 about indian philosophy indians themselves look up upon them as idiots useful idiots to say nothing about kgb who looked at them as as as extremely naive misguided people obviously a vip say a wife of of a congressman or or a prominent hollywood personality after the after being trained in that school is much more instrumental in the hands of of manipulators of public opinion
• 52:00 - 52:30 and kgb than a normal person who who understands who who looks through this this this this type of fake religious training why would they be more susceptible to manipulation i just mentioned that because you see a a person who is too much involved in in in introspective meditation you see if you carefully look what what maharishi mahashiyogi is teaching to to americans is that all most of the
• 52:30 - 53:00 problems most of the burning issues of today can be solved simply by meditating don't don't don't rock the boat don't get involved just sit down look at your navel and meditate and the things due to some strange logic due to cosmic vibration will will will settle down by themselves this is exactly what the kgb and marxist leninist propaganda wants from americans to destruct their opinion uh attention and mental energy from real issues of united
• 53:00 - 53:30 states into a non-issues into a non-world non-existent harmony obviously it's more beneficial for the soviet aggressors to have a bunch of duped americans than americans who are self-conscious healthy physically fit and alert to the reality maharishi mahesh yogi obviously is not on the payroll of the kgb but whether he knows it or not he contributes greatly to demoralization of
• 53:30 - 54:00 american society and he is not the only one there are hundreds of those gurus who come to you to your country to capitalize on naivete and stupidity of americans it's a fashion it's a fashion to meditate it's a fashion not to be involved so obviously you can see that if if kgb were that curious if they paid my trip to hardware if they assigned me to that to that strange job obviously they were very much
• 54:00 - 54:30 fascinated they were convinced that that type of of brainwashing is very efficient and instrumental in demoralization of united states our conversation with yuri alexandrovich besmienov who is a defector from the soviet union a former propaganda agent for navasti and the kgb will continue after this message [Music]
• 54:30 - 55:00 [Music] this picture shows the part of the building of ussr embassy and my supervisors on the left is comrade mehdi an indian communist and on the right komrad mit rohin my supervisors in the secret department of research and country propaganda it has nothing to do with either
• 55:00 - 55:30 research or country propaganda most of the activity of the department was to compile huge amount volume of information on individuals who were instrumental in creating public opinion publishers editors journalists actors educationalists professors of political science members of parliament uh representatives of business circles most of these people were divided roughly into groups
• 55:30 - 56:00 those who would tow the soviet foreign policy they would be promoted to the positions of power through media and public opinion manipulation those who refused the soviet influence in their own country would be character assassinated or executed physically come revolution same way as in the small town of huwa in south vietnam several thousands of vietnamese were executed in one night when the city was captured by viet cong for only two days
• 56:00 - 56:30 an american cia could never figure out how could possibly communists know each individual where he leaves where where to get him and would be arrested in one night basically in some four hours before dawn put on a van taken out of the city limits and shot the answer is very simple long before communists occupied the city there was extensive network of informers local vietnamese citizens who knew absolutely everything about people who are instrumental in public
• 56:30 - 57:00 opinion including barbers and taxi drivers everyone who was sympathetic to united states was executed same thing was done under the guidance of of the soviet embassy in hanoi and same thing i was doing in new delhi to my horror i discovered that in the files where people were doomed to execution there were names of pro-soviet journalists with whom i was personally friendly yes they were idealistically minded leftists
• 57:00 - 57:30 who made several visits to ussr and yet the kgb decided that com revolution or drastic changes in political structure of india they will have to go why is that because they know too much simply because you see the useful idiots the the leftists who are idealistically believing in the beauty of soviet socialist or communist or whatever system when they get disillusioned they become the worst enemies that's why my kgb instructors specifically made the point
• 57:30 - 58:00 never bother with leftists forget about these political prostitutes aim higher this was my instruction try to get into into a large circulation established conservative media reach filthy reach movie makers intellectuals so-called academic circles cynical egocentric people who can look into your eyes with angelic expression and tell you a lie this are the most recruitable people people who lack moral principles
• 58:00 - 58:30 who are either too greedy or to suffer from self-importance they feel that they they matter a lot these are the people who kgb wanted very much to recruit but to eliminate the others to execute the others don't they serve some purpose wouldn't they be the ones that realize they serve purpose only at the stage of destabilization of a nation for example your leftists in the united states all these professors and all these beautiful civil rights defenders they
• 58:30 - 59:00 are instrumental in the process of the of the uh subversion only to destabilize the nation when their job is completed they're not they're not needed anymore they know too much some of them when when they get disillusioned when they see that marxist lenin has come to power obviously they get offended they think that they will come to power that will never happen of course they will be lined up against the wall and shot but they may turn into the most bitter
• 59:00 - 59:30 enemies of marxist leninist when they come to power and that's what happened in nicaragua you remember most of these former marxist leninists were either put to prison or one of them split and now he's working against sandinistas it happened in grenada when maurice bishop was he was already a marxist he was executed by by a new marxist who was more marxist than this marxist same happened in afghanistan when uh first there was taraki he was killed by amin and amin was killed by
• 59:30 - 60:00 karmal with the help of kgb same happened in in bangladesh when mujibur rahman very pro-soviet leftist was assassinated by his own marxist-leninist military comrades it's the same pattern everywhere the moment they serve their purpose all the useful idiots are used either be executed entirely all the idealistically minded marxists or were exiled or put in prisons like in cuba many many former marxists are in cuba i mean in prison so most of the indians
• 60:00 - 60:30 who were cooperating with the soviets especially without the department of of uh information of the ussr embassy were listed for execution and when i discovered that fact of course i was sick i was mentally and physically sick i thought that i'm going to explode one day during the briefing of the ambassador's office i would stand up and say something that we are basically a bunch of murderers that's what we are we it has nothing to do with friendship and
• 60:30 - 61:00 understanding between the nation and blah blah blah we are murderers we behave as a bunch of thugs in in a country which which is hospitable to us a country which with ancient traditions but i i did not defect i tried to get the message across to my horror nobody wanted even to listen least of all to believe what i had to say and i tried all kind of tricks i would i would i would leak information through letters uh or
• 61:00 - 61:30 lost documents or something like that and still i got no message the message was not published even in the conservative mass media of india the immediate impulse to defect was bangladesh crisis which was described by american correspondents as islamic grassroots revolution which is absolute baloney there was nothing to do with islam and there was no grassroots revolution actually there are no grassroots revolutions period any revolution is a byproduct of a highly organized group
• 61:30 - 62:00 of conscientious and professional organizers but has nothing to do with grassroots in bangladesh it was nothing with grassroots most of the avami league party members of amilign's people's party were trained in moscow in the high party school most of the mukti fault leaders muktifajis in bengali means people's army same as swappo and and all kind of liberation armies all over the world the same bunch of useful idiots they
• 62:00 - 62:30 were trained at lumumba university and various centers of the kgb in sinfiropol in in crimea and in tashkent so when i saw that india indian territory is being used as a as a jumping board to destroy east pakistan i saw myself thousands of of so-called students traveling through india to east pakistan through the territory of india and indian government pretended not to see what was going on they knew perfectly well the indian
• 62:30 - 63:00 police knew it the intelligence department of indian government knew it the kgb of course knew it and the cia knew it that that was most infuriating because when i defected and i explained to the cia debriefers they should watch out because east pakistan is going to erupt any moment they said i i was i was reading to too many james bond novels anyway so east pakistan was doomed uh one of my colleagues in in the soviet consulate in kolkata when he was dead
• 63:00 - 63:30 drunk he ventured into the basement to relieve himself and he founded big boxes which said printed matter to dhaka university dhaka is the capital of his pakistan and since he was drunk and curious he opened one of the boxes and he discovered not printed matter he discovered kalashnikov guns and ammunition in there anyway it's a long story when i saw the preparations for the for the uh invasion into east pakistan obviously i wanted to defect immediately the only thing i couldn't
• 63:30 - 64:00 i couldn't at that time make up my mind when and where and how one of the reasons of course you see i was in love with india i mentioned it before i spoke the languages i socialized with people and i understood that i had to to act fast unless i want this beautiful country to be permanently and irreparably damaged by our presence one of the reasons not to defect was as you can see i was living in relative
• 64:00 - 64:30 affluence who the hell in in the normal mind would defect and do what to be abused by your media to be called mccarthyist and fascist and paranoid or to drive a taxi in new york city what for what the hell for should i defect to be abused by americans to be insulted in exchange for my effort to bring the truthful information about impending danger of subversion as you can see i was living in quite a comfortable conditions next
• 64:30 - 65:00 to swimming pool where indians were not allowed by the way i was highly paid expert in propaganda i had my family i was respected by my nation my career was cloudless the third reason how to defect with the family to defect with the baby and the wife would be virtual suicide because according to law that hypocritical law which i quoted before the indian police will have to hand me over back to the kgb and that will be the end of my defection and probably my life
• 65:00 - 65:30 again i cannot smuggle my wife because she was not quite sure what what i was doing she was not that idealistically involved and she was definitely not in in the total picture of what i was doing for the kgb she would be shocked if i if i you know put her in my van and drive her to american embassy or elsewhere that would be a greatest danger so again i had to defect in such a way that my defection would look
• 65:30 - 66:00 as simple disappearance and there were many cases like that when the soviet agents simply disappeared either killed in action or thanks to their curiosity and and their close contacts with radicals some of them were killed by the marxist by the way it happened in many african countries when the soviet kgb were killed by africans themselves not because they hated marxism leninist but because they were simply trigger happy bunch of unruly characters if you give them machine gun they will shoot
• 66:00 - 66:30 and some of the soviets obviously were not careful enough to protect themselves and they got into embarrassing situations when they were shot at the crossfire between factions of so-called liberation movements anyway so i i decided as i said to study the counter culture i decided this probably would be the best way to disappear i socialize with characters like this on the left you see he's a barefoot american hippie
• 66:30 - 67:00 it took me quite a long time to study exactly what they were doing and how to mix with them but eventually i did it most of indian newspapers carried my picture and promise of 2 000 rupees for information about my whereabouts but they were looking for wrong person because they obviously tried to stop a young soviet diplomat in white shirt and thai and this is how i looked at the time of defection nobody could possibly think that the soviet diplomat would be as crazy as to join a bunch of hippies
• 67:00 - 67:30 that's you yes travel indian smokehouse so i made it literally almost like a hollywood style detective story uh from under the nose of the kgb in bombay airport i landed the plane and i flew to to greece where i was debriefed by the cia that's basically the most that's all for my slides we can turn off the projectors and that's very interesting well you spoke several times before
• 67:30 - 68:00 about ideological subversion that is a phrase that i'm afraid some americans don't fully understand when the soviets use the phrase ideological subversion what do they mean by it ideological subversion is is the process which is legitimate overt and open you can see it with your own eyes all you have to do all american mass media has to do is to unplug their bananas from their ears open up their eyes and they can see it
• 68:00 - 68:30 there's no mystery there's nothing to do with espionage i know that espionage intelligence gathering looks more romantic it sells more deodorants through the advertising probably that's why your hollywood producers are so crazy about james bond type of thrillers but in reality the main emphasis of the kgb is not in the area of its intelligence at all according to my opinion and opinion of many defectors of
• 68:30 - 69:00 my caliber only about 15 of time money and manpower is spent on espionage as such the other 85 percent is a slow process which we call either ideological subversion or active measures activeness in the language of the kgb or psychological warfare what it basically means is to change the perception of reality of every american to such an extent that despite
• 69:00 - 69:30 of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interests of defending themselves their families their community and their country it's a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided in four basic stages uh the first one being demoralization it takes from 15 to 20 years to demoralize a nation why that many years because this is the
• 69:30 - 70:00 minimum number of years which requires to educate one generation of students in the country of of of your enemy exposed to the ideology of the enemy in other words marxism leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of of at least three generations of american students without being challenged or counterbalanced by the basic values of americanism american patriotism the result the result you can see most of the
• 70:00 - 70:30 people who graduated in 60s dropouts or half-baked intellectuals are now occupying the positions of power in the government civil service business mass media educational system you are stuck with them you cannot get rid of them they are contaminated they are programmed to think and react to certain stimuli in a certain pattern you cannot change their mind even if you if you expose them to authentic information even if you prove that white is white
• 70:30 - 71:00 and black is black you still cannot change the basic perception and the logic of behavior in other words these people the process of demoralization is complete and irreversible to get rid society of these people you have you need another 20 or or 15 years to educate a new generation of patriotically minded and and common common sense people who would be acting in
• 71:00 - 71:30 favor and in the interests of of the of united states society and yet these people have been programmed and as you say in place and who are favorable to an opening with the soviet concept these are the very people who would be marked for extermination in this country most of them yes simply because the psychological shock when they will see in future what the what the beautiful society of equality and social justice means in practice obviously they will revolt they they
• 71:30 - 72:00 will they will be very unhappy frustrated people and the marxist leninist regime does not tolerate these people they obviously they will join the links of the centers dissidents uh unlike in present united states there will be no place for descent in future marxist leninist america here you can you can get popular like daniel ellsberg and filthy
• 72:00 - 72:30 rich like jane fonda for being dissident for criticizing your pentagon in future these people will be simply squashed like cockroaches nobody is going to pay them nothing for their beautiful noble ideas of equality this they don't understand and it will be greatest shock for them of course the demoralization process in the united states is basically completed already uh for the last 25 years actually it's over fulfilled because demoralization now reaches such areas
• 72:30 - 73:00 where previously not even comrade and drop off would even dream of such a tremendous success most of it is done by americans to americans thanks to lack of moral standards as i mentioned before uh exposure to true information does not matter anymore a person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information the facts tell nothing
• 73:00 - 73:30 to him uh even if i shower him with information with authentic proof with documents with pictures even if i take him by force to the soviet union and show him concentration camp he will refuse to believe it until he is going to receive a kick in the in his fat bottom when the military boot crashes his then he will understand but not before that that's the tragic of the situation of demoralization so basically america is stuck with
• 73:30 - 74:00 demoralization and unless even if if you start right now here this minute you start educating new generation of americans it will still take you 15 to 20 years to turn the tide of ideological perception of reality uh back to normal normalcy and patriotism the next stage is destabilization this time subverter does not care about your ideas and the patterns of your consumption whether you eat junk food and get fat
• 74:00 - 74:30 and flop it doesn't matter anymore this time and it takes only from two to five years to destabilize the nation uh it's what what matters is essentials economy foreign relations defense systems and you can see it quite clearly that in some areas in such sensitive areas as defense and economy the influence of marxist leninist ideas in the united states is absolutely
• 74:30 - 75:00 fantastic i could never believe it 14 years ago when i landed in this part of the world that the process will go that fast the next stage of course is crisis it may take only up to six weeks to to bring a country to the verge of crisis you can see it in in central america now and after crisis with a violent change of of power structure and economy you have so-called the period of normalization it may last indefinitely normalization is a cynical expression
• 75:00 - 75:30 borrowed from soviet propaganda when the soviet tanks moved into czechoslovakia in 68 comrade brezhnev said now the situation in brotherly czechoslovakia is normalized this is what will happen in the united states if you allow all the schmucks to bring the country to crisis to promise people all kind of goodies and the paradise on earth to to destabilize your economy to eliminate the principle of free market competition
• 75:30 - 76:00 and to put a big brother government in washington dc with the benevolent dictators like walter mondale who will promise lots of things never mind whether the promises are fulfillable or not he will go to moscow to kiss the bottoms of new generation of soviet assassins never mind he will create false illusions that the situation is under control situation is not under control situation is disgustingly out of control
• 76:00 - 76:30 most of the american politicians media and educational system trains another generation of people who think they are living at the peace time false united states is in the state of war undeclared total war against the basic principles and the foundations of this system and and the initiator of this war is not covered on drop off of course uh it's it's the system however
• 76:30 - 77:00 ridiculous it may sound the world communist system or the world communist conspiracy whether i scare some people or not i don't give a hoot if if you are not scared by now nothing can scare you but you don't have to be paranoid about it what what actually happens now that unlike myself you have literally several years to live on unless united states wake up the the time bomb is ticking with every
• 77:00 - 77:30 second the disaster is coming closer and closer unlike myself you will have nowhere to defect to unless you want to live in antarctica with penguins this is it this is the last country of freedom and possibility okay so what do we do what is your recommendation to the american people well uh the the uh the immediate thing that comes to my mind is of course there must be a very strong national effort to educate people in in
• 77:30 - 78:00 in the spirit of real patriotism number one number two to to explain them the real danger of socialist communist whatever welfare state big brother government if people will fail to grasp the impending danger of that development nothing ever can help united states you may kiss goodbye to your freedom including freedoms to homosexuals to a prison inmate all this freedom will vanish evaporating in five seconds
• 78:00 - 78:30 including your precious lives the second thing i the moment at least part of united states population is convinced that the danger is real they have to force their government and i'm not talking about sending letters signing petitions and all this beautiful noble activity i'm talking about forcing united states government to stop aiding communism because there is no other problem
• 78:30 - 79:00 more burning and urgent than to stop the soviet military industrial complex from destroying what is whatever is left of the free world and it is very easy to do no credits no technology no money no political or diplomatic recognition and of course no such idiocy as grain deals to ussr the soviet people 270 millions of soviets will be eternally thankful to you if you stop aiding a bunch of murderers who sit now
• 79:00 - 79:30 in kremlin and whom president dragon respectfully calls government they do not govern anything least of all such complexity as the soviet economy so basic two very simple maybe two simplistic answers or solutions but never nevertheless they are the only solutions educate yourself understand what's going on around you you are not living at the time of peace you are in a state of war and you have precious little time to save yourself um
• 79:30 - 80:00 you don't have much time especially if you are talking about young generation there's not much time left for convulsions to the beautiful disco music very soon it will go just just overnight if we are talking about capitalists or or or wealthy businessmen they i think they are selling the rope on which they will hang very soon if they don't stop it they cannot curb their
• 80:00 - 80:30 unsaturated desire for profit and if they keep on trading with the monster of the soviet communism they are going to hang very soon and it they will pray to be killed but unfortunately they will be sent to alaska probably to manage industry of slaves it's it's simplistic i know it sounds unpleasant i know americans don't like to listen to things which are unpleasant but i have defected not to tell you the stories about such idiocies as microfilm james
• 80:30 - 81:00 bond type espionage this is garbage you don't need any espionage anymore i have come to talk about survival it's a question of survival of this system you may ask me what is it for me survival obviously because unlike i as i said i am now in your boat if we sing together we will sing beautifully together there is no other place on this planet to defect
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