MKSOA Community Talk Story, Waimea 4/17/25

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Summary

The Mauna Kea Stewardship and Oversight Authority (MKSOA) held a community meeting in Waimea to discuss the future management of Mauna Kea. The event included summarizing the history and purpose of MKSOA, and engaging community members in conversations about the strategic framework draft, highlighting the importance of Mauna Kea's natural, cultural, and astronomical significance. Participants discussed the challenges and opportunities of MKSOA’s goals, emphasizing community involvement, the necessity for transparent regulations, and the balancing of conservation with scientific endeavors.

Highlights

Community input was actively sought in Waimea to foster collaborative governance of Mauna Kea 🤗.
The importance of balancing conservation with scientific research was a major discussion point 💡.
Participants emphasized the need for clear and actionable plans to guide MKSOA's future efforts 📈.
The MKSOA board members shared their progress, challenges, and future plans with the community 🎤.
Values-based management principles were highlighted as essential for MKSOA's oversight strategy 🗝.

Key Takeaways

MKSOA is committed to community engagement and listening to local voices in managing Mauna Kea 🌍.
The meeting focused on understanding historical context and current management challenges of Mauna Kea 📚.
A collaborative approach is sought, incorporating Native Hawaiian values with scientific interests 🤝.
Participants shared concerns about regulatory processes, transparency, and future strategies for Mauna Kea 🕵️‍♂️.
Community participation is crucial for the successful governance and stewardship of Mauna Kea 👥.

Overview

At the recent MKSOA Community Talk Story event in Waimea, board members and community participants gathered to discuss the stewardship of Mauna Kea. The meeting began with introductions and an overview of MKSOA’s purpose, highlighting its goal to incorporate both traditional Hawaiian values and scientific endeavors in managing the mountain.

Participants were encouraged to provide feedback on the strategic framework draft, an initiative aiming to guide future governance of Mauna Kea. Discussions covered essential topics such as integrating conservation efforts with cultural values and astronomy, ensuring transparent processes, and engaging diverse perspectives and generations in decision-making.

Challenges like regulatory hurdles and the necessity of clear communication were addressed, emphasizing the urgency of setting a balanced path forward. The event concluded with a call for continued active participation from the community, underlining the shared responsibility in caring for Mauna Kea's rich cultural and natural resources.

Chapters

00:00 - 05:00: Greetings and Introduction The chapter begins with a warm welcome to the audience, setting the stage for the content that will follow. The speaker introduces themselves and provides an overview of what attendees can expect from the session. Key themes and objectives are highlighted, ensuring that listeners have a clear understanding of the goals for the chapter. This introduction serves to engage the audience and prepare them for the material that will be covered in subsequent sections.
05:00 - 10:00: Opening Statement The chapter titled 'Opening Statement' begins with a polite exchange of gratitude, as indicated by the simple transcript entry 'thanks'. The brevity of the transcript suggests that this section might focus on an introductory or appreciative note. Further details about the chapter's content can't be inferred without additional context.
10:00 - 15:00: Agenda Overview Chapter 1: The Journey Begins. In the first chapter, we are introduced to the protagonist, Sarah, who has just graduated from college. She's at a crossroads in her life, unsure of which path to take. Through a series of flashbacks, we learn about her struggles with decision-making and her desire to make her family proud. Chapter 2: The Unexpected Opportunity. Sarah receives an unexpected job offer from a prestigious company. Despite her initial hesitation, she decides to take the leap and move to a new city. This chapter explores her internal conflicts and the support she receives from her friends and family. Chapter 3: A New World. Arriving in the bustling city, Sarah is overwhelmed by the fast-paced environment. She starts her new job and quickly realizes that the corporate world is more challenging than she anticipated. The chapter delves into her efforts to adapt and the friendships she forms with colleagues. Chapter 4: Rising to the Challenge. Facing a major project at work, Sarah is determined to prove herself. She works tirelessly, often staying late at the office. The chapter highlights her growth, the mentoring she receives from her boss, and the satisfaction of overcoming obstacles. Chapter 5: The Turning Point. Just as Sarah begins to feel settled, she's thrown a curveball when her company faces a financial crisis. She's torn between staying loyal and considering other opportunities. This chapter portrays her struggle with uncertainty and her decision-making process. Chapter 6: New Beginnings. In the final chapter, Sarah makes a bold decision to start her own business. With the experience and resilience she's gained, she feels ready to take on this new challenge. The book concludes with a sense of hope and the promise of new adventures.
15:00 - 20:00: Introduction of the Mayor Mr. Alamea The chapter introduces the Mayor, Mr. Alamea, though the transcript doesn't provide details on his character or actions. The text seems to focus on themes or context relating to Mr. Alamea, setting the stage for his role or significance in the broader narrative.
20:00 - 25:00: Remarks by Mayor Alamea In this introductory chapter, the scene is set with music suggesting a formal and possibly ceremonial occasion, leading into remarks by a speaker, Mayor Alamea.
25:00 - 30:00: Community Engagement The chapter introduces the role of music in fostering community engagement. It explores how different musical initiatives and programs can bring people together and enhance social connections within a community. The discussion highlights various successful case studies of community engagement through music, examining their impact on social cohesion and individual well-being. The chapter concludes with recommendations on how community leaders and organizations can effectively leverage music to engage community members and build a sense of belonging.
30:00 - 35:00: Introduction of MKSOA Board Members This chapter introduces the members of the MKSOA board.
35:00 - 40:00: Introduction of MKSOA Staff This chapter serves as an introduction to the key staff members at MKSOA. It covers their roles, backgrounds, and the expertise they bring to the organization. The chapter sets the stage for understanding how each team member contributes to the overall mission of MKSOA.
40:00 - 45:00: MKSOA Background and History The chapter provides a background and historical overview of MKSOA. It begins with a discussion of the origins and foundational elements of the MKSOA, highlighting the key events and figures that played significant roles in its early development. The transcript includes an analysis of the socio-political contexts that influenced MKSOA's evolution over the years. Additionally, the chapter covers significant milestones and challenges faced by MKSOA throughout its history, and how these have shaped the current state of the organization.
45:00 - 50:00: Strategic Framework Explanation The chapter titled 'Strategic Framework Explanation' begins with the speaker indicating the start time at 5:10.
50:00 - 55:00: Discussion on Kāvai (The Laws of the Land) This chapter, titled 'Discussion on Kāvai (The Laws of the Land)', appears to contain a transcript that starts with some music indication but doesn't provide specific content details. A full summary would require more information from the transcript.
55:00 - 60:00: Organizational Management and Values The chapter delves into the complexities of organizational management, focusing on the interplay between management strategies and organizational values. It highlights the importance of aligning management practices with core values to ensure cohesive operations. The discussion includes various tables and charts that illustrate how values impact decision-making processes and organizational culture. Special attention is given to case studies where successful integration of values into management practices led to improved outcomes.
60:00 - 65:00: RFP for New Master Plan The chapter titled 'RFP for New Master Plan' seems to revolve around introducing or launching a Request For Proposal (RFP) related to developing a new master plan. Although the transcript provided is very brief, it suggests the chapter is about commencing new planning processes, possibly within an organizational or developmental context. The chapter begins with an expression of gratitude or an opening remark ('mahalanui'), which might be a greeting or a thank you, possibly indicating the start of a formal discussion or meeting.
65:00 - 70:00: Community Table Discussions The chapter titled 'Community Table Discussions' focuses on the community coming together and engaging in discussions to address various issues collectively. It emphasizes the importance of every individual coming forward and participating as much as possible. The phrase 'can all come forward as much as we can' suggests a call to action for community involvement and contribution in dialogue and collaborative efforts.
70:00 - 75:00: Core Values and Discussions The chapter titled 'Core Values and Discussions' focuses on opening discussions around core values, although the transcript provided is not complete. It implies the beginning of a conversation or a meeting where participants are expected to engage in discussions pertaining to fundamental principles that guide behavior and decision-making. The specific content of the discussions or the core values being addressed are not detailed in the available text.
75:00 - 80:00: Headline Sharing and Presentation The chapter titled 'Headline Sharing and Presentation' begins with the opening of an evening conversation.
80:00 - 85:00: Question and Answer Session The chapter titled "Question and Answer Session" begins with a brief introduction. Unfortunately, the exact details of the introduction are not provided in the transcript excerpt.
85:00 - 90:00: Closing Remarks Chapter Title: Closing Remarks In this chapter, the speaker expresses gratitude towards those who have contributed to the facilitation of an event or project. The acknowledgment is brief and focuses on appreciating the efforts of the team or individuals involved.
90:00 - 95:00: Farewell and Gratitude The chapter 'Farewell and Gratitude' marks a significant turning point where characters reflect on their journeys and express thanks to those who have supported them along the way. The narrative builds emotion as goodbyes are exchanged, signaling an end but also a new beginning. The theme of appreciation is prominent, emphasizing the importance of acknowledging the contributions of others. The mood is bittersweet as characters deal with the dual emotions of loss and gratitude, setting the stage for the next phase in their lives.

MKSOA Community Talk Story, Waimea 4/17/25 Transcription

00:00 - 00:30
00:30 - 01:00 thanks
01:00 - 01:30 it's a real honor to talk about because
01:30 - 02:00 it's not something we
02:00 - 02:30 [Music]
02:30 - 03:00 [Music]
03:00 - 03:30 It it has to do with this land that we
03:30 - 04:00 live on and what
04:00 - 04:30 [Music]
04:30 - 05:00 We're going to get started at 510
05:00 - 05:30 [Music]
05:30 - 06:00 bring it to your tables and we're going
06:00 - 06:30 to get started shortly mahalanui
06:30 - 07:00 can all come forward as much as we can
07:00 - 07:30 for joining us um to help open up our
07:30 - 08:00 open up this evening conversation um I'd
08:00 - 08:30 like to introduce our
08:30 - 09:00 dear you guys helping to facilitate us
09:00 - 09:30 today
09:30 - 10:00 [Applause]
10:00 - 10:30 always a pleasure and honor to be in
10:30 - 11:00 front of you community um I'm going to
11:00 - 11:30 ask the person who's supposed to advance
11:30 - 12:00 my slides to advance the
12:00 - 12:30 slides thank you
12:30 - 13:00 Ilia so here's our agenda today uh
13:00 - 13:30 welcoming remarks introduction of the
13:30 - 14:00 board members of the Mona um oversight
14:00 - 14:30 stewardship and oversight
14:30 - 15:00 authority background and history of the
15:00 - 15:30 entity an introduction to a draft tool
15:30 - 16:00 or guiding document for which we are
16:00 - 16:30 seeking your
16:30 - 17:00 input okay and feedback we are then
17:00 - 17:30 going to break out and have table
17:30 - 18:00 discussions and then we'll have time for
18:00 - 18:30 Q&A as well closing remarks and
18:30 - 19:00 Panina Actually
19:00 - 19:30 um we're supposed to bring up Mr our
19:30 - 20:00 mayor Mr alamea mayor
20:00 - 20:30 Alama thank you
20:30 - 21:00 so this gentleman as we know does not
21:00 - 21:30 need an introduction he is a um
21:30 - 22:00 prominent leader in our community even
22:00 - 22:30 before he took on the role as mayor of
22:30 - 23:00 the county of Hawaii Kave he is a well-
23:00 - 23:30 reggarded um um medical professional and
23:30 - 24:00 has been a community uh leader in many
24:00 - 24:30 throughout many communities and a native
24:30 - 25:00 of Kyokaha so we want to invite um our
25:00 - 25:30 mayor to share about his role here at
25:30 - 26:00 the MKS SOA mahal awesome thank you so
26:00 - 26:30 much uh you get double mics so you know
26:30 - 27:00 whenever we get Paul involved we all
27:00 - 27:30 kind of mic action
27:30 - 28:00 and extras so thank you so much and
28:00 - 28:30 thank you Lilla for the opening it's awesome so it's so privilege and an honor to be here um not just as your mayor but as a member of the of the authority and you know I get to weigh in i get to I get to be one of of 11 votes
28:30 - 29:00 and and that that means a lot to me i I hold that you know that what you call kana in uh in high regard i mean I love this aa i I I love this is this is our moyave this is where my ancestors reside and you know and so uh I I take it to heart but again I'm just one of of many voices and every committee meeting we have I learn something new uh about the process uh about the protocols and so
29:00 - 29:30 I'm just the makana in the bush so learning as we go uh thank you so much and looking forward to an awesome talk story tonight mahalo [Applause] aloha and again we're going to invite you folks to come a little closer when you
29:30 - 30:00 can um my name is Pomay Bertoman i'm a Koopa Va and it is really really really um amazing to see all of you here this evening as you can tell from the table that you're sitting on um it is our intention and our hope as MKS SOA to be able to bring us together to be able to have uh to Vala and to Kuka Cuka to have conversation um so thank you thank you thank you for skipping the dinner the hour at home for making it quick or food
30:00 - 30:30 land for dropping off things that you had to so that you could get here um and this is what we really really appreciate as this board is opportunity to come and to have conversation with our community mahalo mahalo mahalo kako my name is Rich Matsuda i'm also a resident of Himea very proud and honored to uh to live here in Himea originally from Oahu um but just wanted to uh echo
30:30 - 31:00 what Pomay said i know that uh 5 to 7:00 p.m is really family time ohana time when you have lots of responsibilities yet it was important enough for you to come out to um to be part of this conversation and as a board we think that our kulana and our intention is to um hear and listen to your voices and include it in the planning as we go forward so it's just uh honored that you would join us here tonight
31:00 - 31:30 [Music] mahalo again everyone for joining born and raised but I've been here in Waya graduate of Kanu Oka um and it's it's a great honor to continue to uh take that eek and that knowledge has been instilled into us as the kama of this land as the children of this place um and and continue to holo and to to create these spaces and these opportunities for us to have our voices
31:30 - 32:00 to we are that we are participating actively in the in the planning and the future of our homes so nui kah mahalo for everyone for joining us this evening and to our board members everyone for coming out kahalo alohanui and so mahal no ho one more time um I would like to just say mahal no to those of you who bought the kiki and who bought the babies mahalo mahalo mahalo for that this work that we are collectively doing as a community is not about the adults right we have kana at this time but the
32:00 - 32:30 kana goes beyond us so mahalo mahalo this vah this of aloha aloha that vah over there of makahila and the va the va or the vah in the front of that kah welcomes all of you aloh we always feel more grounded when the the koopa um welcome us and bring us into the place so now we're going to as you can
32:30 - 33:00 see we keeping the the front half of the remarks pretty you know real brief and specific because this is your time this we're really wanting to carve out as much time for you folks to engage in dialogue um and so I'm going to be board members and staff members please I apologize forgive me for my my brevity okay so the MKSOA board members are here and they're dispersed throughout the room
33:00 - 33:30 today i'm going to just say their name and then uh their their role on MKSOA and I'm going to just ask them to either stand or to wave their hands so that they can be recognized i also want to let you know uh dear community members is that the primary role for which MKS SOA members are here is not to take all the oxygen in the room to take all the time telling you what they're going to do it's really just to set up uh the context so that community as a
33:30 - 34:00 whole can have conversation so they're here with the primary role to listen and learn from all of your good input and feedback mahalo okay starting off with the chair of MKSOA is John Komei business and finance chair and overall [Applause] chair next is Dr noi Wong Wilson she is a house of representatives appointment
34:00 - 34:30 and is serves as the first vice chair mahalo for being here Auntie Noi next we have a person well known to many of us we have Rich Matsuda representing Monaya Observatories and he serves as second vice chair and next we have our cuculu of our pillar we have Mayor Kimo Alamera who is representing county of Hawaii
34:30 - 35:00 we then proceed to Pom Kalani Bertoman of Way of of Wea who is also a lineal descendant next we have Mr neil Hannis he serves on a as a land management uh role for MKSOA and you may have remembered this name and his um maybe his perspectives as shared
35:00 - 35:30 publicly through his involvement as a former seaworm member um uh commission for water resource management um we we have Paul her who also is serving here he is a Senate appointment he's not here today but Paul her we have Chancellor Bonnie Erin of uh Hilo non- voting member yes let's recognize them they serve they serve representing DNR Department of
35:30 - 36:00 Land and Natural Resources is uh Ryan Kanako who is also um one of the deputy directors of DNR and yes he is of the Kanako clan cahoo Kleha Krug an educator Dr kleha Crew and representing uh uh regents Mr ben
36:00 - 36:30 Kudo and finally Hamakua one of Hamakua's finest uh Lanakila Manga okay proceeding to the next slide i'm going to now introduce our uh Monael Stewardship and Oversight Authority staff that's present with us this evening first off we have Mr john De Freeze mr john De Freeze where are you aloha aloha aloha he serves as MKSOA's executive director um next we
36:30 - 37:00 have Bill Stormmont who is the project director of MKSOA [Applause] and finally and uh thirdly we have Lloyd Unbisami interim administrative services [Applause] officer and then another Moko Kyave
37:00 - 37:30 native uh we have Pua Ena on executive assistant okay so that makes up both the board as well as our staff okay um next we would like to bring on Dr noi Noi Wong Wilson and I will call you Auntie as I always do Auntie and she's going to go over um the
37:30 - 38:00 MKSOA background and history the origins of MKSOA aloha taco aloha everybody and um and I want to also say aloha to our online audience this is being live streamed so um so glad everybody is here today this is going to be a short um overview just in case some of you really don't know
38:00 - 38:30 where we came from and when we started so bear with me um so here's my story so following the stand on uh Mount Aaya in 2015 and 2019 that most of us are very familiar with and and I would say many of us participated in um at the urging of Kia to change the man management structure for Mona um the response from that and
38:30 - 39:00 of course and I'm this is a long story in short time but the response from that was a resolution from the house of representatives in 2021 which called for a Mona working group to be created to investigate just that question how should Mona be managed and um part of that um organization that was put together uh included 15 representatives uh kind of a cross-section of people from the community and from u different
39:00 - 39:30 parts of government and so of the 15 members who were appointed there are actually four of us who served on that Mona working group for that summer and um and continued to serve for Monaka Stewardship and Oversight Authority and that's besides myself Chancellor Bonnie Irwin Lanakila Manuel and Pomay no wait oh sorry Rich Matsuda so uh the
39:30 - 40:00 four of us were on the Mona working group and so the result of the report from the Mona working group was the um the introduction of a bill which became act 255 which established the Monaka stewardship and oversight authority now I would say that most of many of the um recommendations that were created by the working group uh were were adopted which
40:00 - 40:30 by which eventually became the Monaka authority but not all and we know that so um a little bit about the structure of our authority you were introduced to all of the different people but I want you to know that the purpose of the authority really um and I'm going to read the what came out of the working group but the purpose of this was to give voice to our community and particularly give voice to Native Hawaiian so of the 11 members that you
40:30 - 41:00 were introduced to that serve now on this authority um eight of us are Native Hawaiians it doesn't mean we all have the same thought process but eight of us are Hawaiians seven of us are from the community there's three positions that are government positions including the mayor uh one from the Monaka Observatories and Bonnie again is as uh representing the University of Hawaii is the um non- voting member okay so you
41:00 - 41:30 can see the structure of Monica Authority is com so different from any other government organization here in Hawaii and not only is the structure different but because of our purpose and our framework we try to operate in a really different space in a different way and and the result of that is for example being here with all of you we have a facilitator to keep us on track but we're here to talk directly with you and to listen directly from you so I
41:30 - 42:00 just want to read this because and I'm going to read it not because you guys cannot read but because we have an online audience and they may not be able to see this okay I got to turn around and read sorry for sorry for my back i need to read this this is the purpose of the Monica working group and this is important because it sets up the framework for the authority we recognize that Native Hawaiians have an inseparable
42:00 - 42:30 environmental kinship with Aina therefore the health and integrity of Monaca is paramount our purpose is to establish a collaborative and holistic management framework for Monaca grounded in Konovai and the laws of nature prioritizes native Hawaiian voices contributes to environmental and social justice and is sensitive to diverse perspectives okay so that's that's at the framework for how the authority was to be established so so when the
42:30 - 43:00 authority was established these values and guiding principles were embedded in the working group and they are also in the law so this is very unusual to actually have Hawaiian values embedded in the the law as far as I know the only other one is the Aloha law which was created a few decades ago that establishes aloha and the meaning of aloha in that way um so
43:00 - 43:30 this is really important for us it is part of what guides us mana aloha which is sorry I know sorry we understand the reciprocal value of the mana and our long-term commitment to maintaining the integrity of monaca u puna we understand and embrace our duty and accountability to monaya the natural environment and to perpetuate the Hawaiian cultural values embedded in
43:30 - 44:00 the sacred landscape of the Ma and Hol Mui Holam Mua Oi Kellaka driven by creativity and innovation constantly challenging the status quo our stewardship of Monuka is informed based on existing knowledge and traditions or Konoai as well as on new and expanding knowledge we're mindful and observant of needs trends and opportunities and seek new knowledge and opportunities in ways that enhance our ability to serve as stewards without
44:00 - 44:30 jeopardizing our foundation of Aloha also included in the working group and which we have included in this something new that we're introducing to you tonight called the strategic framework are kavayai or the natural the laws of nature as expressed to us by auntie pua kanak ole who was a member of our of our uh working group so I want to introduce I'm sure you all know who she is but she
44:30 - 45:00 recorded this for us so that she can explain in her own words what that kind of means and how we can understand it in the framework of working for the uh authority so listen to anti um you know it's a
45:00 - 45:30 is the the idea of hokei is to let
45:30 - 46:00 things flow and if you look around you
46:00 - 46:30 what are the things that flows and one
46:30 - 47:00 of the things that's flow on our land is water and they focus on water a lot because water is one of our main sources of life or life and so the idea of hokiki is the idea of allowing or being aware of where water flows and the other thing that flows is magma and the great thing about magma and lava is once it comes up whoo b and
47:00 - 47:30 then it flows it comes up out of the ground and then it flows down to the ocean what it does it gives us land and we look at it sometimes as being destructive it is not destructive it does what it has to do in order for us to have land and so what the h kiki kavai is is stay out of its way okay allow it to flow and then the idea of water uh uh that flows um you
47:30 - 48:00 know mount aua of caoh runs from Hamakua it's a small awa runs from Hamakua to the top of Monaka and over to Mount Aloa cah is bamboo and the idea of the bamboo and why it's called bamboo it has to do with water and between the two mountains catches the most water and it catches the most
48:00 - 48:30 water and this water will go into the earth go into a bamboo idea of water basins and then the water will leak out from it very slowly and so you have all of these water basins between the two mountains and that's why we have really big rivers in the Hamakura district because of all the water that flows down freely so the consciousness of what flows where it flows why we should be conscious of it
48:30 - 49:00 flows because it gives us life and because it gives us a place to live and water is is what we need for life and a lot of the water has to do with the two mountains that that we uh that we live on that's the idea of the continuum the other um is ka is the burning back the law of the burning back now the law of the burning
49:00 - 49:30 back has to do with the justating of landscape basically just saying of landscape you know they they initially looked at it as um or compared it to an an ali very very high rank you don't approach the Ali of very high rank because he is out of reach of everybody it's the same thing with these um these land areas the
49:30 - 50:00 landscape uh that we need to hold sacred or we need to hold like they're going to do a lot of good for us because these are the land areas that are are necessary uh for our existence one is of course the the volcano and is is one of it the other is places that have marshes and and streams and rivers and coral
50:00 - 50:30 heads and um uh the idea of uh the wet forest because all of these things help to reproduce what's there on the land coral head lets things out into the ocean and a lot of fish go for it okay um and the uh wet forest is what gives life to to more and the the the streams do the same
50:30 - 51:00 thing and so this is the idea of the law of the burning back so you look for these places and you be sure that you allow these places to maintain itself as it is the other kavay is um uh kio is the law of natural boundaries now this is a law that we as kanakas need to
51:00 - 51:30 be aware of okay the law of natural bodies is the law where all of these things that I just talked about the volcano the movement of water and all of that where where they are moving and what it's saying is that you have to recognize the boundary so what this is what this is saying know the boundaries know your boundary as a and know the boundaries of the land
51:30 - 52:00 so carniva is all about the environment all about the land and what the land is doing and what where the land is and what what how the land provides for us and therefore our our idea of being conscious of it and staying away from places that is not good for us okay the last is um
52:00 - 52:30 and is the law of regeneration and so the law of regeneration is that it we need it's like the first law is the law of continuum we need to continue our own generation generation of kanakas and we need to see that the generation of the the native trees continue we need to see that the generations of the native birds continue or the generations of the insects that
52:30 - 53:00 live in these areas continue because they're the food for the birds and so we have to be conscious of all of that as natives of the island and again these are the the the four laws of the land and um uh the law of regeneration is that we go out and there is a sense of reciprocation and the sense of
53:00 - 53:30 reciprocation is um if you go back to the the kumu liipo in the first two lines um I was going to say this in the with the first uh but I didn't but with the with this particular line the first two lines of the kum go and when you talk about that people say oh that's when our earth is hot no it's talking about the lava when the
53:30 - 54:00 lava is hot it makes our earth hot and what that does when our earth gets hot like that and a lot of steam is coming up it clouds the it clouds the sky it hides the sun so what it's doing is it's returning um water to the space above and and turning it into clouds and eventually
54:00 - 54:30 what that does is that cloud system will return the water back to us so this the whole idea of kiho is the idea of reciprocation that we give and the land gives back and so be conscious of the fact that the land does give back
54:30 - 55:00 neil uh before you start I wanted to
55:00 - 55:30 also introduce Dr greg Chun who's in the room executive director center for monoc stewardship [Applause] um with whom act 255 establishes and mandates a co-management function during this period of transition and so we are in direct u linkage with Greg's team during this period and grateful for the support
55:30 - 56:00 we're getting thanks Neil and both of both of them went to Kame he didn't but we're you're okay although my co um well you know I don't know about you but I feel really blessed to live in a time when Panahel is living cuz uh I learned so much from her and I just watching her in this little clip reminds me of so many meetings we've had with her and and we ought to be paying
56:00 - 56:30 attention cuz she's amazing it's a pleasure for me to be here tonight in this wonderful beautiful land that's made beautiful by the amazing landscape but also by incredible people and so thank you to all of you who took the time to come out tonight um it's an honor for me to serve on the authority uh do so with great pride and uh they talked about my experience uh in land management and I worked for over four decades for Kamehameha schools and I certainly have some familiarity with the
56:30 - 57:00 lands and I know Pawah and others other lands but it also taught me a lot about organizational management too and how an organization with the best of intentions can go ary or astray if you don't hold to your values and so we kind of there's a number of us and it wasn't new it wasn't a new idea to to our authority but it was a it was an idea that was there and that everybody embraced and so as we
57:00 - 57:30 think about going about our work and being in position where we can exercise our responsibilities in five years or four years whatever the clock is ticking so I think we we're we're trying to get to uh uh 2028 we said "Let's put in place a values-driven organization." And there's things you need to do about that uh number one we don't want this to be a surprise to the world we want to be transparent about what those values are secondly we don't
57:30 - 58:00 want the values just to live on a piece of paper we need to be strategic about everything we do needs to align to those values and then thirdly we need to be consistent and not just do it when we feel like it not just do it when we have votes not just doing it when when there's pressure or community hearings but consistency you know and that's what a values organization looks like and that's what we're trying to and aspire to be now as we start to articulate
58:00 - 58:30 these things we recognize that it would really be a dishonor to all those in this community who've done so much who've offered so much about the ma about these issues if we kind of like started with a blank piece of paper and it also wouldn't be efficient since we have a clock that's ticking we need to be ready by 2028 so we leaned heavily uh the reason we shared no shared the the working group report is because we
58:30 - 59:00 leaned heavily on that and also because we don't exist just kind of out of our own minds we exist out of legislative intent the legislature created us and they gave us a mandate so we said let's not forget just kind of go off on our own way in our own direction let's honor and and and write down what that intention legislative intention was let's honor the the how the legislature framed a mission for us and let's honor
59:00 - 59:30 the core values and the guiding principles that were articulated both in the working group report and in the um uh act 258 now we're going to change it we're going to edit it along the way already because we our job is to not just stand on the shoulders of those who came before but to add value in our generation so you'll see some editing editing of that material but we're going to start there and really do our best to honor that the second thing is we we cannot just we have to what you're going
59:30 - 60:00 to see today and what we're going to talk about is not the full story it's half of the story so we're going to have on one side a strategic framework that's like our navigational star that's how we navigate and then on the other side we're going to have a regulatory framework we have to take all the human activity and learn more about it and that's where we're going to put out an RFP that that tries to study what's going on in astronomy what's going on natural resource management cultural
60:00 - 60:30 resource management those are listed there by the way in alphabetical order no preferences you know or priorities and secondly that may that may or may not be the ending list as we sit with our consultant who actually has to do the work in response to an RFP that John will talk about you know we're going to have to maybe we'll cluster or or you know put these things together we'll see in time but what we're trying to say is we're going to look at all the activity that occurs on the ma tie it back to the strategic framework so that now then
60:30 - 61:00 we'll know how to regulate and this the other part of the piece that's that this young man right here up in the front that's back is to you Christopher is helping us do is you know when you make a promise you got to put yourself in a position to keep it that means you have to have a system of tracking all your promises and all your goals and objectives and that has to come before the authority and the public to whom you're accountable all the time so you make sure you get the job done so he's going to put that other piece or
61:00 - 61:30 he's working with us to put that other piece of how do we create milestones out of our long-term goals and track ourselves so that we know whether we're on track or not adjust where we need to adjust but really get the job done so that's kind of we want to frame that for you and really tonight is about we want to make sure it's clear it could be transparent but it could be opaque you know so you know at the same time because it's not clear the words aren't clear the concepts aren't clear and so
61:30 - 62:00 we said if this is going to work we got to make sure we take it out roll it out and people understand and then we benefit from your input so we make them better okay John thank you Neil so act 255 was signed into law July of 2022 and effectively created the authority to start July 1 2023 that created a 5-year transition period 5 years 60
62:00 - 62:30 months we are now in month 22 so we've got 38 more months in which to complete this assignment and every step of the way we will be looking at ways to accelerate this transition because the work needs to pivot and pivot in a way that is reflected initially in this draft and what will become a final document from an operating level I'm
62:30 - 63:00 crosseyed no I'm just joking from an operating level it's really important that this framework be finalized and put in place and a reflection of you and members of the community because it will serve as a lens through which all of our work activity will be driven and by that I mean tomorrow there will be a request for proposal that will be issued publicly for a new management plan act
63:00 - 63:30 255 requires the authority to eventually create a new master plan a new management plan and a new financial plan so tomorrow is the kickoff our second attempt at it because we learned a lot in the first one and at the moment that RFP that we launched tomorrow is on a separate
63:30 - 64:00 track when this becomes finalized and approved by the board after receiving your input and communitywide input these two will merge and line up because the management plan will not be worth much unless we are coming through this system and this framework okay and so that's taking place we've identified the major planning companies in Hawaii which was not difficult
64:00 - 64:30 but we also coupled that by identifying Hawaiian cultural consultants who have done and can do work at this level at this scale because when you start imposing the standard of the forabi that Antipua just talked about this is now transcending normal planning practices and so that gets kicked off tomorrow and we're pretty excited about that as well
64:30 - 65:00 neil anything else that's all i guess Mina back [Applause] thank you we started 10 minutes after but look we have I think we have 10 extra minutes for all of you for the next portion which is um we're going to break out in tables okay so I'm going to go to the next slide and I'm going to just kind of orient you to the format and the overall process okay so you
65:00 - 65:30 should know so we got the cha the challenge here and the task here is you we collectively get to co-design and co-engineer the navigation system for MKSOA how cool is that you guys are all invited to co-design and co-engineer the navigation system how we're going to take about I think we have like 35 minutes now we have additional time for
65:30 - 66:00 you folks to um unpack and distill um the strategic framework and we're going to ask two specific questions so here's how we're going to uh process this information together the key objective for this next section is as I said to unpack the strategic framework start to delve into it understand it ask questions have conversation and then essentially we're going to distill our thoughts and then
66:00 - 66:30 provide helpful feedback and recommendations to improve upon the nav the the draft navigation system or the draft strategic framework here are the roles okay so for each table I'm going to very shortly after I com uh complete my my instructions very you know I used to be I used to be the principal proud principal of Konoka Charter School so I'm I am definitely uh reaching back to that experience i'm going to ask those um in the back if we can condense to the
66:30 - 67:00 first two rows the first two rows there's three tables there are six tables so I want everybody not yet i'll let you know when to condense to the first two roles so we need we have a couple of roles so in each table I would like one person to volunteer to serve as notetaker okay you have you have some supplies at your
67:00 - 67:30 table you have a pad writing pad thank you to Humi Foundation i gave you free uh I gave them free advertisement um and so you can just kind of scribble all of you folks can scribble your thoughts and your notes get it out there um however when I call for your mana to be presented um you're going to write headline style on the large postit okay as many as many thoughts as you like to respond to two specific questions that
67:30 - 68:00 we'll review together shortly um but headline style you're going to write yeah the notetaker will will kind of distill folks ideas there's no limit but you're going to write headline style response to the questions whether you folks decide to do it you know as a as a table seeking consensus that's great if you folks want to represent various perspectives at the table that's fine too okay um then we also need a a volunteer presenter because at the end
68:00 - 68:30 of our 35 plus minutes I'm going to go around and you're going to go we're going to have a speed round of ho so 30 seconds I'll go around and you're just going to read your your postit your headline then we're going to it's already posted the questions there you're going to post it there okay that way at the end of the evening if you want to take a look we'll be listening to one another but if you want to take a look take pictures of folks's input please do so okay um and yeah again and
68:30 - 69:00 we have supplies and and support at each table i've asked the MKSOA board members and staff to disperse evenly okay and so I am going to now ask if folks can move up to the first two rows and I'm going to give you your first prompt thank you let's do this let's see if we can do this va style va style and take no more than a
69:00 - 69:30 minute also Pua is passing around pens it's very important that each member has a strategic framework handout please raise your hand if you need a handout we would love for every single person to have a handout pa's going around do you have Monapua with that box over there too no just pens and strategic framework
69:30 - 70:00 i am going to talk about that but there's no Oh yeah they can they respond over chat okay okay and over YouTube over to YouTube okay great hi hi good to see you good to see you you stole our stuff oh I did i did
70:00 - 70:30 okay another 10 seconds we'll get oriented
70:30 - 71:00 okay wonderful we're all dispersed here okay so what we're going to do now I'm going to give you folks four minutes thank you i'm going to say aloha and you're going to repeat by saying mona okay i'm going to say aloha you respond by saying mon aloha aloha aloha mahalo so you're going to now turn to a
71:00 - 71:30 a person next to you on your table and I'd like you to refer to your strategic framework and what you're going to do is you're going to look at the core values okay so it's turn to the core values there are seven core values of MKSOA so I'd like you to turn to a person next to you and I'd like you to share think of an example or a story a short story
71:30 - 72:00 when you have seen one of these core values applied in a personal or professional setting with positive result with a positive result so you're going to take a look at the core values there's seven of them and I want you to choose one that really speaks to you and share a quick story or an example of when you've seen one of these core values play out in personal setting or in your professional setting we're going to give four minutes for this exercise
72:00 - 72:30 so two minutes each person okay enjoy mahalo
72:30 - 73:00 thank you i want to try to find a way to share i have a chat here
73:00 - 73:30 is it Is it on your computer yeah there is a version of you oh so it shows yeah if you want to respond to them and say "We're going to try and do that right
73:30 - 74:00 now would you be able to
74:00 - 74:30 Yeah she'll call it out
74:30 - 75:00 it'll show up on our screen
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75:30 - 76:00 you present
76:00 - 76:30 eloh so your partner should now be
76:30 - 77:00 speaking i know the temptation is for
77:00 - 77:30 one person to address the entire table however we don't have time for that kind of conversation so we have two minutes and you can go ahead and turn to another partner and share one core value that really speaks to you and how it's been applied in professional personal life
77:30 - 78:00 mahalo
78:00 - 78:30 Hey
78:30 - 79:00 I'm rushing for I made it here [Music]
79:00 - 79:30 so she's going to announce it but for those in the live stream you can type it in and say "If you have comments or questions please email them in because we might miss them if you do it in the live stream." You know what I mean if you have any questions or
79:30 - 80:00 comments throughout this may email blah blah [Music] blah that I know and [Music] then the
80:00 - 80:30 [Music] talking about another 10 seconds and we can wrap up our conversations around core values
80:30 - 81:00 [Music] [Music] you'll hear my voice and you're going to respond aloha [Music] i'm going to say aloha aloha aloha aloha
81:00 - 81:30 there you go thank you for wrapping up this portion of our conversations i think we're getting warmed up to one another your um table partners as well as this draft strategic framework um so those friends those community members have joined us online on YouTube uh live stream thank you so much for your participation we want to encourage you to participate um especially in these next two questions if you can go to the next slide and you can submit your responses
81:30 - 82:00 to mksoa.m communityawawaii.gov that's mkso aa.com communityawawaii.gov so those in the audience I first of all I need one recorder per table so raise your hand if you are the volunteer recorder per table this we got a table recorder here recorder here recorder how about that table recorder in the far table over there the one with Auntie Patty Cook i don't see a recorder on that table oh
82:00 - 82:30 thank you okay yay we're all gold stars we all have gold stars we all um have our designated recorder thank you here's the next question we have seven minutes for you to conduct an initial review of the provided strategic framework draft strategic framework and we'd like to ask you for your honest feedback and respond to this question what is not understandable what aspect
82:30 - 83:00 anything that's written here is not understandable and why not understandable and why so I'd like you folks to carve out the time for robust conversation read the the framework again have discussion and then um you have all have notepads on your table so you can you know rip off pieces of paper and you can scribble and jot notes to yourself as folks are discussing okay this is we have the agency to govern
83:00 - 83:30 ourselves so tables decide how you want to make sure that every voice and perspective on your on your table um is provided an opportunity to share their feedback or input you can do it you can write on the postits or you can go right right around okay the 7 minute clock starts now
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84:00 - 84:30 what are the So what's here just critique what's
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85:00 - 85:30 So that's what we see is
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86:30 - 87:00 Donald expected that
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89:00 - 89:30 can we close this one it's not
89:30 - 90:00 Can I read through this
90:00 - 90:30 yeah yeah we are all about
90:30 - 91:00 [Music] Okay mahalo so you have one minute so recorders you have one minute to uh attempt to distill or you can pass out the postits yeah and so I want your your
91:00 - 91:30 group to write headline style for example um maybe one group I was kind of roaming one example might be I do not understand um the how this will be operationalized it's not clear to me how these items will be operationalized that is not understandable to me so the headline would be how will this be operationalized that's an example okay so you have a minute to recorder to
91:30 - 92:00 write down on large postits headlines from your group and then we're going to move over we're gonna move to the next question one minute and when you hear Mona come on then I'm gonna give you the next prompt
92:00 - 92:30 so we're surprising it
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93:00 - 93:30 okay also Chinese
93:30 - 94:00 for example ideation how do you know
94:00 - 94:30 [Music] Okay mahalo for your attention here's the next question prompt thank you for your attention all
94:30 - 95:00 right what is missing what is missing from the strategic framework and why what is missing from the strategic framework why headline style and is there any section or language in the strategic framework draft that does not belong is there anything that doesn't belong that's currently incorporated in the draft why okay so you folks are
95:00 - 95:30 doing really well another seven minutes go get them go get him go mahalo
95:30 - 96:00 i'm going to do I'm going to
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97:00 - 97:30 Okay so mahalo community members for
97:30 - 98:00 your awesome input and feedback i want
98:00 - 98:30 to give you folks a minute to uh guide
98:30 - 99:00 your notetaker your recorder to write in
99:00 - 99:30 headlines headline style and then what's
99:30 - 100:00 going to happen is I am going to come
100:00 - 100:30 around i'm going to come around with the
100:30 - 101:00 mic and we're going to actually start
101:00 - 101:30 off with this table and each table will
101:30 - 102:00 be given 30 seconds um to report out
102:00 - 102:30 well I'll start off with one question
102:30 - 103:00 and then the second question and then I
103:00 - 103:30 have Chris here to help me take your your headline postits okay so a minute
103:30 - 104:00 to coalesce your ideas into headlines on the large postits and then I'm going to start off with this table and then I'm likely to start the second table will be this table
104:00 - 104:30 and each table should ask one volunteer to be the
104:30 - 105:00 presenter representing your table one volunteer to represent your table and I just want to give you folks a quick preview so after our report out we have open Q&A okay and that will conclude our evening thank you everyone for being um so participatory we really really appreciate all of your your
105:00 - 105:30 thoughts and your mana so one presenter per table again I'm coming around 30 seconds and we're going to start off with this table who is the presenter thank you Max um so the first question you have 30 seconds to give your headline for what is not understandable and why so I would say 15 seconds what is not understandable and why this one first aloha
105:30 - 106:00 so uh some of the things we came up with was uh ununderstandable or should be clear what is permitted activity for Native Hawaiians and who determines that uh another one uh the edited of emergency cycles is a bit unclear um Hawaiian culture is not understood by all
106:00 - 106:30 um need to know what's done wrong in the past so we don't repeat our past um we don't want to repeat past mistakes and monitoring public access and safety and where's the military in the plan no I didn't I don't think we added anything yep thanks
106:30 - 107:00 thank you very much so I really appreciate how this table you know they they they made a determination they didn't go through all of their headlines they just chose a couple remember all of their headlines will go on there you're we welcome to take um pictures of everyone's contributions and please know um if you didn't sign up if you didn't sign in pardon please do so because that's how you're going to get the notes within two
107:00 - 107:30 to three weeks of tonight's meeting please sign in and you'll get regular MKSOA um announcements and and notices okay next table starting off with what is what is not understandable then the next two questions okay go ahead Ka uh first off not understandable is uh kavay concept uh adding more context to
107:30 - 108:00 uh maybe even state some behavior and operation that reflect um the values of the kavay the laws of the konavay um what is missing oh oh I was getting scoldings earlier that's why you know I was like oh I better be on my best behavior no so uh for what is missing
108:00 - 108:30 uh in the guiding principles five restoration include conservation we'd like to see uh some conservation it's not mentioned uh in the guiding principles and other responsible land-based activities under what's missing and is there any section or language that does not
108:30 - 109:00 belong would like to crosswalk the feel like I play a it's my fault uh so is there any section or language that does not belong um there's it's missing education as well on one of them not no you know what we never get to that mahalanui those are good headlines thank you and thank you for pointing out
109:00 - 109:30 those pukas okay who's going to present her here thank you can you please say your name as well and if you could just say the question aloha my name is Keith um okay so as far as what is not understandable and why um we also for the kind of a how to bring life uh to the kind of a without the video which we found would be difficult but in just words uh who do the core
109:30 - 110:00 values apply to how do we take this plan and put it into action and what is the difference between aloha versus aloha aa okay and now for the second one um these are kind of a little bit mixed for what's missing and what should be here we also had the guiding principle number five can we include preservation and protection instead of just restoration
110:00 - 110:30 proactive versus reactive uh how will the dialogue with the public happen and what takes priority of the guiding principles malo mahalui okay how's this table are you folks ready hikino thank you hi aloha i'm Mile um so we part of the the first question what is not understandable we were looking at
110:30 - 111:00 guiding principle number four and it stated that you know support astronomy support of astronomy and at the very end it said is a policy of the state um if it was a policy of the state how did it get to that like what it needs to be more clear what the policy of the state is I think yeah okay um so yeah what is the policy of the state how and what is it um we also wrote that the support of
111:00 - 111:30 astronomy uh according to that guiding principle the support of astronomy should be broadened and not united oh limited and not limited to just astronomy astronomy tech astronomy um knowledge knowledge uh yeah a lot of more clarity on whose astronomy is the policy of the state
111:30 - 112:00 protecting um and then what's missing how do we organize the use and access so that it's equal um what's missing is possibly being able to see what the schedule and what the milestones that you folks mentioned are maybe have the milestones in here um and maybe have a list of when we could have periodic input and interaction with the authority um what is the f what oh
112:00 - 112:30 what's the funding what is the funding for the authority and the fee structure of use thank you so much mahalo to this group you ready hikino okay okay hikino so all right so we had our group was we just lost Uncle Sani but he he gave us his mano um so what's not understandable
112:30 - 113:00 well first of all what's missing uh we felt what's missing was some timelines uh just more you know like kind of like the timelines the time frame we also felt like what's missing is the accountability like which groups represent who and how this thing all play out um what's missing is more time like we felt like we need more time to to digest uh this framework um and then what's missing is the young younger
113:00 - 113:30 generation so we felt like like uh a meeting like this would attract our age mostly so maybe this is something that you know with youth you got to take it to them so kind of like they said like maybe we take them to the schools and we have the we create the same protocols and format but pick a class a bunch of kids whoever's interested you know can come to this time frame and you could have them share them on that so we thought that that was missing yeah so so we could get the generational involvement since Right and we also felt
113:30 - 114:00 like we could do social media too as a way to solicit more feedback so what's missing is a broader a broader base of input yeah thank you two more hoi presentations thank you aloha everyone i'm Melissa um so can you can everybody hear so uh for not understandable our group had a
114:00 - 114:30 little bit of a struggle with the mission statement um we felt like we maybe the word fostering didn't quite go far enough um it was a little bit too general and needed to have more like weight to it for what was missing um the biggest one is similar to what other folks have mentioned is that what is the economic model to support the stewardship and conservation goals in this draft framework so we felt that was we just
114:30 - 115:00 didn't understand like how does commercial operators fit in rent structures all you know the fee schedule and so forth um that was a big one for us um also is there a vision statement or is that going to come later after these kinds of um conversations and maybe part of the mission statement might fit better into the vision because it's that looks like what we want it to be not necessarily what is driving and then the third was just a clarification about regular regulatory oversight what exactly are the laws and uh which ones
115:00 - 115:30 are we um informing this framework again thank you everyone final hoy well this has been substantive feedback thank you very much my name is Nikki um our group sorry what was the first question
115:30 - 116:00 what was not understandable um and our group kind of said um having a better understanding of the names of the core values and feeling like they were vague descriptions and not um completely understandable as a whole and the second one that was missing um we felt like was the method of education um and also um including our future next generations as well as visitors and new
116:00 - 116:30 residents to Hawaii mahalo [Applause] thank you and thank you to this final final final hoie well it was a hoie of one because it was Anti Kanani's hoie yeah and then she went to the DHHL meeting so you know all the things first thing from Auntie Kanani um time to process the document itself
116:30 - 117:00 um the second thing from anti kanani was um potentially in the next round having the management plan with it or reference to the management plan so that we can understand the two together um the sec third thing from anti kanani was include language about conservation and the conservation district she also had a question about section 106 um Monaca is a national historic preservation um and then she's familiar
117:00 - 117:30 with the current language that is in the management plan and why there's designation of the ama as a historic preservation site but she wants it to be investigated and to have someone know about that because it's specific to astronomy and then the last thing is um she really loves the kava she loved that and she she had asked and kind of similar to the what the ohana there was talking about is um creating the imagery
117:30 - 118:00 in the packet so we can understand it so more than just the language also having imagery so that we can decipher and discern mahaloani you can call it and thank you one of our uh community members had eagle eyes and uh pointed out that it goes the core values is one through four and then skips five and then goes to six to seven so there are six core values
118:00 - 118:30 not seven so MKSOA stand corrected okay mahalo newi can we just again appreciate one another's efforts and contributions again I want to please um note for those who are online um please uh submit your input uh and respond to these questions at mksoa community.gov also again please sign in uh so that we can uh you can uh receive
118:30 - 119:00 the tonight's meeting notes and also get regular notifications and announcements from from MKSOA okay so you have small post-it notes at every at every table this is your turn so now we're going to um transition to the final section of the evening which is Q&A so I'd like you to just take a moment i take take a minute to reflect on what questions
119:00 - 119:30 remain what questions remain for you okay what questions remain regarding MK Soye regarding the careship of Mona regarding all of the strategic activities um that are to be implemented okay so what what questions remain and then we're going to flow right into Q&A okay um I'm going to ask MKSOA members to join us here um here at
119:30 - 120:00 the stage and then um when you have a question um how we're going to do this is we are going to um ask that you you come up and you state your question and then one of our members will do their best to to respond to your question so take a moment to think of all your questions that you have
120:00 - 120:30 i will ask i see one inside
120:30 - 121:00 okay so those online uh please submit
121:00 - 121:30 your responses your questions your comments your recommendations if possible by the end of day tomorrow it is not a hard uh deadline like it's not you're not required to submit your questions however what we're trying to do is collect all the feedback and then we have um awesome staff members from
121:30 - 122:00 Hackbed who has been here diligently setting up logistics and taking notes and so it' be very helpful so those online please if possible submit your comments by end of day tomorrow by end of the weekend as well would would do just fine okay so this is your time Q&A i can come to you if you prefer y aloha Diane Chadwick what happens to the previous Mona Authority group and their management plans
122:00 - 122:30 so um as I mentioned when the authority became effective July 1 2023 it started a 60-month clock right so we're in month 22 and in the co-management function between our staff and our board together
122:30 - 123:00 with the center for monoca stewardship we are obligated to operate within the existing uh comprehensive management plan the existing master plan and fundamentally their current administrative rules okay until at such time our plan is completed now in the meantime we have an agreement with them that there are certain levels of activities and projects that they can
123:00 - 123:30 proceed that have minor impact that they can proceed with operationally right it could be erosion control it could be damage that that occurred or traffic accident something like that but when you start getting into major impacts where the earth is being altered trenched those kinds of projects require this board to also weigh in okay so we're operating within the existing
123:30 - 124:00 planning framework that the University of Hawaii adopted until at such time our plan becomes effective and that planning process starts tomorrow with the RFB thank you any other questions yes aloha um Mile Manuel uh two-part question since uh what has been the most
124:00 - 124:30 impactful accomplishment since the authority was put together and on the flip side what has been the biggest setback hi um I'm John Kamiji the chairman of the board i think the most impactful thing from my perspective was we've created or the legislature created a platform where people with different deeply held viewpoints are
124:30 - 125:00 able to get together talk story and work together to to to move us forward right part of the challenge that we all have as a community is a divisiveness within the community and the ability to create a platform where all of us and we all have different viewpoints but we're all able to talk to each other civily without yelling expressing our potent our our our perspectives and yet come to some
125:00 - 125:30 consensus about how we move forward to me is the greatest accomplishment the biggest challenge for us is at this point is dealing with some of the um rules that govern the state for example the sunshine law the sunshine law says if you guys notice we had to formally notice this meeting because
125:30 - 126:00 we I cannot talk to more than one person under the sunshine law i cannot talk to more than one authority member at a time so if the three of us got together in a meeting to talk about some of the issues that would be a violation of the sunshine law unless I put a formal notice said that the three of us are going to meet how do you solve problems how do you discuss issues if you are so bound
126:00 - 126:30 by only only the two of us can talk and I can't even then call him up the next day and talk about the same thing that's a violation too so the sunshine law although well intended in terms of pro providing transparency is a real hindrance to us sharing different perspectives and trying to arrive at a common solution
126:30 - 127:00 the question is can you um share more about the origins of the sunshine law the sunshine law has been around for years um the idea behind the sunshine law is to provide transparency in decision making right but at the same time my personal position is that transparency in itself cannot be the
127:00 - 127:30 goal solving problems got to be the goal you hope to do it in the most transparent way that you can so that and this is what we're trying to do with all of you tonight this is one of the reasons why we're having community meetings this you may know or not know but this is our fourth community meeting we held our first three community meetings in Hilo and this is our first time outside of Hilo but this is transparency what we're doing talking to you having everybody express their opinion is transparency but this
127:30 - 128:00 transparency helping us to solve problems as opposed to artificially saying I cannot talk to two other members at the same time so it's it the sunshine law applies to all government agencies uh but like I said transparency in and of itself cannot be the goal we have to figure out in Hawaii how we solve problems and how we move oursel forward as a community um just to kind of elaborate on that too
128:00 - 128:30 a little bit it's also oh um what really is like again we have a uh we're on a time clock right and so sometimes for us to have a conversation it just kind of hinders the work when you're trying to create a brand new board just little history too this is the first time there's been a brand new board created since the 1980s and know that the some of the rules are that old and a lot of the process that we've been trying to figure out nobody's around who knows how so they had to go back and research so
128:30 - 129:00 everything takes a lot of time and for us to have a just have a a basic logistical discussion as a group it has to be not just posted but it has to be posted ahead of time and then it has to wait for the next month's meeting that then has to go so that we can agree that we're going to have the conversation so that we can meet and talk about it the next meeting so try to try try to get something done it can move us like it'll take two or three months before we can actually even have the conversation so that's just that's the understanding and I know again the root of sunshine law is
129:00 - 129:30 very important but when it comes to actually just getting work done it's that's the hindrance is understand that process as a lifelong supporter of sunshine law no actually I I I I think there is a value to sunshine law that needs to be protected because everybody needs to know what's going on right uh publicly what we're talking about here is a distinction when you're bringing 12
129:30 - 130:00 people together who are this diverse who have to talk about something as intimate as the Mona we need time alone to to talk about that and then return to the public and disclose our findings this um framework originated in a retreat setting like that it was supposed to be the first day of a two-day session and the second day couldn't
130:00 - 130:30 happen it requires the governor to convene and so we were able to bring it this far and I I will tell you that every headline every suggestion tonight has a place in the planning process that is about to commence tomorrow so thank you thank you and uh community I I would like your permission can we extend to 7:10 and those who need to leave no problem is it okay if we extend to 7:10 this evening past time thank you very
130:30 - 131:00 much thank you so we will um Q&A will be extended until 7:07 7:07 um and you'll see these parking lot chart papers if we did not you did not have a a chance to pose your question please write your question and these board members have already committed they'll take a look at the the the questions it will go into the meeting summary or meeting doc uh meeting notes and they will they will
131:00 - 131:30 respond to your questions okay so I'm going to go here and then to you sir uh thanks everybody um can the authority in the next management iteration address permitting in the conservation district and if you guys cannot can you make sure the management plan somehow gives special credence that
131:30 - 132:00 um okay I'm I'm going to make it short but somehow the plan has to say if community disagrees with something that got permitted state county cannot retaliate with force so you we either got to change the permitting in the conservation district rules or the management plan has to make room for
132:00 - 132:30 peace and then I'm sorry MKSA U members please try and make your responses succinct so that we can provide ample time for more questions from the community thank you i'm a lawyer we cannot make anything succinct i'll try um one of the things we've tried to get clarification on is what is our power as the authority we
132:30 - 133:00 believe that the intent of the legislature when it created act 255 was to give us final authority there are others in the community in the legislature that believe that the DLNR should continue to have authority over us so that we would end up being a um advisory whatever we decide would be advisory so we submitted a bill this session to get clarification as to
133:00 - 133:30 whether or not we should we believe that we should have final authority that bill for whatever reason did not get our bill did not get a hearing so we continue to push our position that this diverse group here should have that ability to make the final conservation decision on conservation usage but we have to get that clarification from the legislature
133:30 - 134:00 um my question is my question is um what ever happened to OHA's 2017 lawsuit against the state of Hawaii as far as the what is the decision that came about from that mismanagement of Monaco that that lawsuit just recently um the judge ruled
134:00 - 134:30 um well they're supposed to have gone to trial in July of this year on that 2017 lawsuit oha just lost their lawy their lawyer just withdrew from representing them so just within the last week OHA asked the judge to um continue or postpone the trial the judge has agreed to allow OHA to um go forward or find a new attorney to
134:30 - 135:00 represent them so we're not sure when that trial date is for the 2017 lawsuit there was also another lawsuit that OHA filed against the authority saying the authority was unconstitutional the judge has basically ruled that OHA does not have the right to challenge the constitutionality of us of the authority so we believe that that second OHA lawsuit against us saying it's unconstitutional um it does not have any
135:00 - 135:30 validity so that in short answer to your 2017 that 2017 lawsuit is still pending but when it's going to go to trial is unclear because they don't have a lawyer right now aloha Chelsea Dixon from Way um my question is uh would you please explain the county's uh role or responsibility
135:30 - 136:00 in Okay s OA alohako so yeah so how I see my role representing the county that means everybody um so I just see myself actually as just one as just one more perspective like everybody else all our votes equal so I'm a voting member
136:00 - 136:30 um and so I got voted in by the people majority of the folks and so I feel like I got to represent majority of your voices so that's how I would say that's my role mahalo aloha i'd like to know what the challenges and the benefits of being on the National Historic Registry are and how MKSOA is
136:30 - 137:00 going to approach that what a hard question they give to me it's not clear what how the designation the designation was not filed by us the designation was filed by an organization called Cahel and we have been informed by our lawyers that what I what I was afraid of and what we got clarification from our
137:00 - 137:30 lawyers is that does this put another layer if we intend to be the stewards and the people ultimately responsible for the usage on Monarch i was afraid that that would add another layer of bureaucracy either the federal government or somebody else that would say "Oh no MKSOA you guys are here but we trump you because we are the Well I don't mean Trump you Trump we override you because we are the
137:30 - 138:00 federal government." I I try not to use that word anymore but we try to override you because we're the federal we are told that it has no um legal regulatory um powers over us just by designating so we accept and we respect that it's an it is a treasure and that's where we start from anyway but it doesn't should not impact our ability as an author as a
138:00 - 138:30 group to to um determine what is appropriate usage and utilization of Monle we have time for I think two to three more questions aloha Wendy Laros my question is about the leases for the observatories if you could explain the timeline it's coming up and there might be de decommissioning
138:30 - 139:00 and how that might work because the leases are now with the university and it will be transferred but is there enough time the urgency behind that we understand the urgency of the leases so the leases so everybody knows expire in 2033 right there's a master lease between right now DLNR and the university and then the university between each of the observatories what people don't understand and part of Wendy's question I think is that to decommission a telescope takes about 5
139:00 - 139:30 to seven years so it takes a long time because you have to go through all these regulatory processes so we understand that from the observatory standpoint we have between now and 2033 but that doesn't help the observatories if we wait to 2033 because the observatories in seeking additional grants and funding need to assure their people um that or
139:30 - 140:00 funders that they will be in existence past 2033 so what we're trying to do right now with this um uh planning is to set this we're still on the foundational level and we have to understand what is the carrying first of all what is the carrying capacity of the ma as it relates to astronomy which then gets into the issue of decommissioning which if any telescopes would decommission and that means that if we
140:00 - 140:30 decommission so many telescopes the remaining telescopes we got to get into this discussion about uh the leases going forward so we we understand and we're trying to make go as quickly as we can but I cannot give you a definitive timeline but we understand the the the urgency that the observatories see and what we see also and let me ask answer that one question that somebody asked about um about support of astronomy being a state
140:30 - 141:00 policy that is included in the statute that language almost exactly So the position of the authority was that the legislature determines state policy and that's actually language out of this the the legislation act 255 there's actually language that says support of astronomy is a state policy so we're not a body that can override um the legislative determination now we can clarify it and that's what we did um by
141:00 - 141:30 saying that it has to be balanced but that that that's where that particular um matter came up thank you we have time for one final question and I just wanted to point out to you on your your handout there are three QR codes for you to uh refer to and to dig into the MAL working group report the actual statute uh statute and law that um uh sets forth um the legal requirements of this body act
141:30 - 142:00 255 and then the MKSOA website so please do refer one final question from the audience and please if you have additional questions that have you've not yet posed please go ahead and write them on the chart paper anyone else aloha board my name is Angelu Ramos um since this is the first board to be established since the 80s as someone has
142:00 - 142:30 said what was the overall reaction from the public and especially from the uh system since I'm I'm assuming that they had control over the mountain um we have worked uh collaboratively with the University of Hawaii system um as we have moved forward um I'm I'm happy to report that I think that we're even on a more positive
142:30 - 143:00 um path with the new president i've met three times with the new president of the university and she has pledged her personal support to make sure that MKSOA is successful and has asked that um all of her people that report through her um do what they can to assist us so I I feel very optimistic about our relationship with the university as
143:00 - 143:30 we move forward mahalo so as we wrap up our time together I just want to again mahalo each of you community members esteemed community members of Vo of Kohala uh Vajo and I see members from Kohala Loco as well perhaps there and there are members who've traveled as far as Kona and as Hilo um thank you for what you do in your in in our beloved communities thank you for uplifting um the
143:30 - 144:00 aspiration to care for Monaka Mona and so with that I want to um a little bit of logistics before I turn it over to Chair Kamei and then a final um closing panina protocol with Lanakila there are delicious cookies please take home take share with your your family your kids your mouna your neighbors kids um and there are granas and everything i'll make sure we'll take it to the food
144:00 - 144:30 pantry if there's anything left over but please take home um with you and if you you are so inclined to assist with putting back the tables and chairs we know how to do that may you do it so well um and so with that I will turn it over to Chair Ki and then to
144:30 - 145:00 So I would like to thank all of you um for caring and coming out and spending your time we're trying to create something as you heard something really different i mean we're creating a state agency which hasn't been created since the 80s but there's no state agency as Anthony Noi says that has adopted values that we know of we're trying to do something different by having these community meetings and we will have we I said this is our fourth community meeting we intend to have additional
145:00 - 145:30 community meetings and specifically so that people don't think that we're trying to avoid the issues we will have a community meeting that talks about specifically about astronomy and specifically about TMT but what we're trying to do right now is to build a base a foundation that allows us to proceed and part of that foundation is to create a safe space where people can come together have discussion meet in small groups express differing opinions
145:30 - 146:00 without the fear of being bullied or being or or somehow being you know threatened or whatever because as a community not only TMT not only astronomy but we're getting too divisive we in Hawaii talk about aloha and Allah spirit and reciprocity we're going to have to figure out are we are we as a people as a community are we big enough to deal with
146:00 - 146:30 problems such as Monac and how do we address it do we become like how they've become on the mainland that we stand on the separate sides of the road and just yell at each other or are we as we say we are different in Hawaii where we can sit down and we can agree to disagree but we can do it in a respectful way and figure out a way to come together and move
146:30 - 147:00 forward as a community that's ultimately what we're trying to do how do we do that and all of you by coming tonight and participating and sharing your mana are helping us get there so what we need you to do is to when we have our next community meeting let's double the amount of people triple the amount of people telling people why it's important for them to get involved why it's important for them to express their
147:00 - 147:30 opinions and why it's important for us to express our opinions in a um respectful way to each other so again thank you to the facilitators this took a lot of work by a lot of people behind the scenes thanks to our authority members unlike a lot of we were totally underststaffed right now so we have all of our authority members are working authority members they don't just sit back and let the staff they are
147:30 - 148:00 on a daily basis doing stuff the the the material that you saw help produced by our authority members putting up the chairs and tables but by authority members our authority members are doing the best they can to meet some of the concerns about timelines etc um so I just wanted to acknowledge and thank everybody that's here as well as the staff and others that have facilitated we have volunteers that are helping us um so we're trying to go as fast as we can we need your support we need your
148:00 - 148:30 ideas and as a community we'll get this solved so thank you again and have a good night and we appreciate again that all of you came out [Applause]
148:30 - 149:00 just to support what chair just said as well too you know as we are trying to step forward and create this new future for how we want to malama and care for mahal for me you know the mana of the ma is what is captured from the ma comes down and feeds life to the aa so the ma has been uh a flash point but also an
149:00 - 149:30 awakening um and how we stood on the ma we held ourselves accountable to how we're going to stand um everyone kind of knows my background and to go all the way from those stages to this point to stand side by side with members of my community whether I agree or not but it's be willing to ca have these conversations and go through that hard work and so the best way I can close this in is that that beautiful mele that I remember from a kid and we all have
149:30 - 150:00 that um yoha to remember that this is that that's the a that's the energy that's the the mana that we want to step forward with and keep that in our hearts always so mahalo you probably have a better pitch than me [Music] [Music]
150:00 - 150:30 now holy [Music] might holy
150:30 - 151:00 [Music] might holy holy [Music] a mighty day [Music]
151:00 - 151:30 [Music] Hallelujah [Applause] and community members if you wish to talk to the board members they're going to hang out here till till just before
151:30 - 152:00 8:00 p.m as we put away chairs and tables thank you so much grab your sandwich aisles on cookies and other treats and share them with your family and your friends and your neighbors mahalanui