Q&A | Feb 27, 2025

Summary

In this compelling discussion, key global issues surrounding geopolitics are unraveled, reflecting on the past and present diplomatic maneuvers of world powers. The talk, mainly focusing on the actions of leaders like Trump and Putin, examines the shifting alliances in Europe, the remnants of colonialism, and the potential of a new world order shaped by evolving global dynamics. The dialogue also brings forth insights into the balance of individual freedom versus collective governance, drawing parallels from historical contexts to illustrate potential future outcomes. Through a lens of higher consciousness, the conversation delves into how decisions perceived as negative at the time can lead to progress, reflecting on the opposing forces of ignorance and evolvement. This thought-provoking narrative challenges conventional thinking and offers an engaging perspective on the labyrinth of international relations.

Highlights

• Trump's bold move to push Zelinsky into a mineral deal stirs headlines! 📰💼
• The possibility of peace talks reigniting hope despite underlying tensions. ✌️🌍
• NATO's strategic expansion into Sweden and Finland shows resilience. 🛡️🗺️
• Germany's history teaches lessons on the unintended consequences of war. 📚⚔️
• Nature of European Union's evolution as a balance between unity and nation autonomy. 🇪🇺🔗
• USA's international diplomacy: business-centric or self-dismantling superpower? 💼🇺🇸
• Sri Aurobindo's insights on moving from ignorance to knowledge enlightened the talk. 📖💡

Key Takeaways

• A breath of relief as the nuclear threat dwindles in the international arena! 😅
• The Trump-Putin dynamic reshapes European alliances and influences NATO's strength. 🇪🇺💪
• Economic power doesn't equate to social well-being – nuanced views on US vs. Europe. 💰🆚❤️
• History repeats with unexpected outcomes – reflecting on Germany's unintended legacy. 🇩🇪🔄
• Unveiling the dance between regulation and growth in modern governance. 📈⚖️
• Emphasizing Sri Aurobindo's philosophy – finding order in seeming chaos. 🔍🌌

Overview

In this extensive dialogue, the complexities of global politics are dissected, particularly focusing on the power play helmed by figures like Trump and Putin. The narrative unveils how these maneuvers impact the global stage, exploring themes from nuclear deterrent relief to strategic alliances. The discussion highlights the nature of US international policy, contrasting it with Europe's approach to governance as a social endeavor beyond economic confines.

History serves as a mirror when reflecting on Germany's unintended consequences of imperial ambitions, providing vital lessons as the discussion addresses how seeming provocations today might shape future peaces. Digital and media landscapes also emerged as arenas where geopolitical narratives unfold, reflecting changing times and shifting global perceptions.

Furthermore, the session delves into deeper philosophical themes echoed in Sri Aurobindo's writings—how the path from ignorance leads to knowledge and progress. By challenging existing paradigms, this conversation fosters a deeper understanding of humanity's collective journey, echoing ancient principles in modern geopolitical struggles with refreshing clarity and depth.

Chapters

• 00:00 - 01:30: Introduction and News Discussion The chapter titled 'Introduction and News Discussion' begins with a conversation about recent news events. The focus is on political announcements involving prominent figures such as Trump and Zelinski. A particular news item discussed involves a supposed mineral deal signing by Zelinski, as announced by Trump.
• 01:30 - 03:30: Nuclear Threat Discussion The chapter titled 'Nuclear Threat Discussion' involves a conversation initiated by Jin around September last year. The discussion refers to recent news related to Trump, who is reportedly planning to sign a deal on the upcoming Friday, which is the 28th. The details of the nuclear-related conversations or deals are not explicitly mentioned in the transcript.
• 03:30 - 05:00: Impact of World Wars This chapter delves into the complex and ongoing impact of the World Wars on current global affairs. The speaker expresses the significance of the topic by mentioning an upcoming meeting in Baku, where the broader subject of global events will be discussed. Despite the intricacies, they are committed to sharing insights and participating in discussions, reflecting the continuous relevance of historical conflicts on modern society.
• 05:00 - 09:00: Europe's Evolution and Challenges In this chapter titled 'Europe's Evolution and Challenges,' the key observation is the sudden vanishing threat of nuclear war, which is considered extremely significant. The chapter underscores that this was an unprecedented provocation since the end of the first specified occurrence, highlighting a major aspect of Europe's progression and issues faced.
• 09:00 - 12:00: US, Trump, and Global Dynamics This chapter discusses the geopolitical dynamics involving the United States, Donald Trump, and global events. It begins by reflecting on historical events, such as World War II, and draws parallels to contemporary global politics, notably with Russia under Vladimir Putin. Amidst ongoing threats from Putin, the chapter highlights the strategic response from NATO and allies. Despite Putin's threats and his expanded influence, the chapter underscores the collective resilience and diplomacy exercised by NATO countries, illustrating their support and readiness, even for actions inside Russian territory. This reflects a broader discussion on international alliances and the intricate balance of power in global politics.
• 12:00 - 16:00: Regulation versus Growth The chapter discusses the topic of peace settlement and its timing. It highlights that discussions on peace settlements are happening now, but points out that these could have occurred three years ago, potentially avoiding unnecessary conflicts. The chapter reflects on the consciousness of the world at that time and suggests that global awareness or readiness may have been lacking, which delayed these discussions. The mention of Trump, Zelinski, and minerals indicates these might be related topics, but the main focus is on the missed opportunity for earlier peace talks.
• 16:00 - 18:30: Comparative Global Politics The chapter titled 'Comparative Global Politics' discusses the complexity and intricacies involved in global political dynamics, emphasizing the relief felt when the nuclear threat is mitigated. It highlights the secondary nature of political motives and speculations when compared to the primary concerns of international safety and security. The chapter also references Sher bendo's observation about Germany, noting it as the most cultured among European countries, to perhaps contrast political attributes with cultural aspects in global politics.
• 18:30 - 21:00: Insights on Evolution and Challenges The chapter "Insights on Evolution and Challenges" discusses Germany's motivations and actions in the early 20th century. It explains Germany's initiation of two world wars in an attempt to become an imperial power like other major European countries. Being almost landlocked, Germany's only option to expand and build an empire was to conquer its neighboring countries. The chapter also touches on their initial defeat in this pursuit.
• 21:00 - 26:00: Philosophical Insights The chapter 'Philosophical Insights' discusses the theme of the rise and fall of empires. It begins by mentioning the repeated defeats suffered by certain groups, which ultimately led to the destruction of all involved empires. The discussion pivots to the idea of moral judgments and the tendency to evaluate actions as good or evil. This reflection on morality suggests a continuous human engagement with ethical considerations and the factors that drive historical change. Numbers and blind spot?
• 26:00 - 27:00: Conclusion and Reflections The conclusion reflects on the potential historical implications of Germany's actions, suggesting that if Germany had not acted as it did, India and other colonies might have remained under imperial rule for a longer duration. It emphasizes the importance of looking at historical events from a broader perspective. Furthermore, a provocative opinion is expressed about Donald Trump, characterizing him as a deplorable individual who consistently speaks falsehoods.

Q&A | Feb 27, 2025 Transcription

• 00:00 - 00:30 I was just thinking about the news which is coming it is about like no the correspondence of the date like for example recently Trump announced like no zelinski is going to sign a mineral deal that uh actually it was like you know he
• 00:30 - 01:00 only initiated like Jin only initiated this in September I think last year yeah something like I don't know the details but like just so today was seeing the news like no Trump was telling like uh he's going to come to us to sign the deal this sat this Friday which falls on the 28th like so Comal name so do you
• 01:00 - 01:30 see anything anything significant here sir oh I see it's a very complex issue and I'm thinking about it a lot I'm writing about it we're going to have a meeting in Baku next month on the subject the general subject of what's going on in the world so I'm thinking about it a lot I can give you some comments but I
• 01:30 - 02:00 cannot uh I don't take them as definitive conclusions just observations one very important observation is that the threat of nuclear war has suddenly vanished and that may be the most important of everything because it it was unprecedented provocation since the end of the first
• 02:00 - 02:30 the second World War uh when Putin threatens he's threatened a number of times and finally uh you can say his bluff has been called because the Allies have NATO has expanded their support even for attacks inside Russia uh and he has not done anything uh but um the fact that uh
• 02:30 - 03:00 they're now talking of a a peace settlement irrespective of everything else see this could have been done three years ago could have been avoided could have been completely avoided but it wasn't the consciousness of the world was not there for this so without talking about Trump and zalinski and minerals and everything this is a great great
• 03:00 - 03:30 relief that the nuclear threat is off the table there's so much politics to it so much speculation about the motives and everything which is secondary because you know one of the points I've been making is Sher bendo says Germany was the most cultured of European countries
• 03:30 - 04:00 a 100 years ago yes sir and Germany initiated two world wars they initiated the war in order to become Imperial powers like all the other major powers of Europe because Germany was almost landlocked the only place they could conquer to have an empire was their neighbors uh they got the defeated the first time
• 04:00 - 04:30 and they got very much defeated the second time but the net result was all of the empires were destroyed yes sir you have told us I've mentioned this before perhaps because it's been a thought of mine uh so we have to look we were brought up looking at the motives condemning this and that morality this evil that and everything
• 04:30 - 05:00 but the net result of Germany if Germany hadn't done what they did India may have continued as an Empire as a imperial part Colony for a long time we don't know but certainly many of the others would have been uh so that's the significance when we look at things from a wider perspective uh Trump is a despicable person who mouths falsehood with every breath
• 05:00 - 05:30 and he does things which seem to be outrageous are outrageous and unprincipled and mercenary but if we look at the net result we certainly can't justify Hitler for anything he did he was possessed by an assura but the net result was something else the fact that trendo and mother were there during both the world war
• 05:30 - 06:00 means the evil or the destruction of the world wars helped to destroy colonialism imperialism which was nobody's intention not only that but it led to the gradual over a 40-year period the re the unification of Europe for the first time in history uh and peace in Europe which had
• 06:00 - 06:30 been going on waging Wars for centuries uh it gave it led to a period of unprecedented prosperity and peace instead of world war we had Cold War but the cold war involved relatively little violence nothing to compare with what was happening in the world war the Damage Done so it's not easy when you look at things to focus and zero in on the Zero
• 06:30 - 07:00 in or zero out to see the larger movement that's taking place and how it's happening that's one observation second observation is All My Views obviously Europe is the most socially Advanced group part of the world uh they have
• 07:00 - 07:30 work very sh bindo talks about human Unity Europe with now 32 Nations as part of the EU to make that transition beyond the nation state is very difficult it took thousands of years to create the nation state ideal of human Unity half of the book is talking only about the creation of the nation state as a necessary intermediate step to World
• 07:30 - 08:00 Unity but as it was difficult to overcome aristocracy religious feuds uh uh and other kingdoms and so forth there were 500 princely States when when Britain left India there were still 500 Kingdoms in India uh it's not so easy to overcome the traditions of the past
• 08:00 - 08:30 so the nation state can't be expected to suddenly join hands and live happily ever after in human Unity is a whole evolutionary step which he's explained in ideal of human Unity that the the psychological identification whether it's with the cast which still persists or with the class or with the race or with the gender all of which exist and haven't been outgrown yet uh the that
• 08:30 - 09:00 the identification of the nation state is the highest level of that evolution social evolutionary process and Europe has been struggling with it for 75 years gradually progressing but the moment things go wrong or the moment there's a dispute between two countries it fragments we see that even in the
• 09:00 - 09:30 US yes even after 200 years of Independence more than that 230 years of Independence uh there's a fracture and California threatens to leave the the Republic there's no law clarifying whether a state can secede from the Union uh because California was not a state when the union was founded and the Constitution was uh written but
• 09:30 - 10:00 um uh my point is that now Trump says that he he's not going to support and defend Europe he even told Putin go ahead they're not spending money on defense you go ahead and do whatever you want there he intimidates Europe terrifies them haa has said that the Marshall Plan because Brit Europe accepted the
• 10:00 - 10:30 Marshall Plan they subordinated their themselves to American power for the first time and became subordinate and dependent and that has described their history over the last 75 years Russia did not Russia Stalin refused the Marshall Plan became independent became a superpower now Europe is forced to be become independent and of
• 10:30 - 11:00 the of America because of Trump's threat open more than threat and the fracture within the 32 Nations is very great and known to the 32 countries Not To The World At Large it's not an EU it's still 32 Nations struggling to keep together and uh with separatists views Britain is all Britain already
• 11:00 - 11:30 left the EU uh so that shows it's a movement uh they reasserted their independence after so much time so one result is to make Europe realize they need each other they need to live together and if they break up again they'll be completely uh none of them can defend themselves against Russia standing on their own the result of Putin's war was to bring Sweden and
• 11:30 - 12:00 Finland into the uh NATO into a a common uh defense Union uh meaning psychologically the force and the threat compelled them to come together which was not Putin's intention he was trying to dismantle NATO he would still like to dismantle it now the result was he strengthened the sense of European uh
• 12:00 - 12:30 identity and uh uh so we have to look at it that way uh and not just in terms of uh certainly right and wrong in Morality that has very little to do uh with these things these are two observations that have been uppermost in my mind I have a third one which is very speculative
• 12:30 - 13:00 America has reached is the most powerful nation in the world and more powerful than it has ever been economically and militarily there's no number two China is there but it's far behind you can't compare them Trump is dismantling the American Empire how that certain like but what you seem to be doing is all like looks like he want to make it
• 13:00 - 13:30 further stronger that's how no but what he's doing is see all his allies who depended on him whatever his intention is see he's made himself he's a pure businessman he's a marari yes sir he's going to convert all International Affairs into uh self-interest and money self interest that goes back to the Imperial
• 13:30 - 14:00 Nations see Putin look at Putin Putin wanted to restore the ger the Russian the Soviet Empire his step in uh he's already got um uh bellush very much under his thumb uh uh that that leader there can't survive without Putin's force and dictatorship he if he got Ukraine it's a biggest a big Progressive country country uh it's this it's his steps
• 14:00 - 14:30 towards dominating all of the former Soviet republics that was clearly his he's intend he said said it we don't have to imagine it he said the biggest mistake was ever disolving the Soviet Union which was an Empire now what he's done by attacking Ukraine and all he has uh demonstrated to the world as also demonstrated to the other republics that
• 14:30 - 15:00 Russia is not a superpower even if they have nuclear weapons they have all seen the complete uh lack of uh organization and power uh it's a tyranny for sure it's a dictatorship for sure but the result is he has weakened his position he's not only United Europe but he's weakened his position with regard to his effort to go back to Empire just the
• 15:00 - 15:30 opposite of what he intended uh what Trump is doing see because of what he's doing Europe will not depend on America as they have before uh means they have to take more efforts they have to be more self-sufficient first thing they have to do is spend more on Military so why should they us be spending three or 4% on Military in Europe which they're it spend 2% % or 1 and a half% because they
• 15:30 - 16:00 couldn't in in inut that discipline on their own uh people their own public now they have to do it and they have the incentive to do it he's strengthening the Europeans to recover some of the strength they lost when they accepted the Marshall Plan and became financially dependent and they asserting not only they're asserting Canada which which Trump said should join as
• 16:00 - 16:30 the 51st state uh Sanada is now not only talking to Europe they're talking to China to raise their lack of their reduce their dependence relatively speaking you cannot rely on America there are a bunch of business people there are a bunch of self-interested business people Japan which has relied on its America for its defense has now for the first time in 75 years very
• 16:30 - 17:00 actively it decided to invest and raise their military preparedness not for war for for defense psychologically uh the things that built an American uh uh the Allies the European allies South Korea Japan Australia and all of this all of these countries have understood you can't depend on America it took 75 years
• 17:00 - 17:30 to build up the status of America and the uh the the sole power of the US dollar as a world currency all of which is to the great benefit of America they have 200 military bases all over the world and so forth and so on when they Retreat from this he's dismantling I would say Trump is doing what Putin did he's
• 17:30 - 18:00 dismantling the American power in the world by asserting it Putin wanted to assert his power sure that he that he would conquer uh Ukraine in a week or two and that Europe would be quiet because they're dependent on him for oil and gas the result was three years at War and he can't finish the job and he won't finish the job and Europe is separated themselves
• 18:00 - 18:30 from him uh and become totally autonomous from him self-sufficient from him so it had the opposite result I expect that what Trump's doing there was a truth in what America was doing when it was moving towards one world not one dominant superpower lording over and like a and and dominating over the rest so the result will be different the consequence will be different uh than the initial
• 18:30 - 19:00 bluffing and all he said he wanted $500 billion dollar worth of mineral rights from Ukraine now he's coming down see it's good for Ukraine if they pay for the military aid they got he thinks he's making a very if they pay for the military aid they got and the military aid they get then America is just mercen
• 19:00 - 19:30 they're not a reliable Ally they're just a business partner and if you can find another source of the same things at a lower price you'll buy elsewhere uh and Ukraine won't have any Ukraine won't have any sense of obligation to America and they won't be subordinated by the fact that they're having commercial transactions with it they can be buying from European countries they can be buying from uh
• 19:30 - 20:00 India they can be buying from Israel or anywhere else so though his intention is to dominate and use the power when the power is used without discretion uh asserted this way I believe he's undermining the 75 years of American super do dominance which reached its peak after the Soviet Union dissolved and there was no second country no second superpower after that
• 20:00 - 20:30 uh and uh uh the the fact that countries will be more independent and more self-reliant and more relying on their relations with each other and not all just relating to America one man can dictate the foreign policies of other countries there he's doing it with a Vengeance it will break
• 20:30 - 21:00 that he looks like he may get some short-term gains from it the American will never be able to build back that position and I think that's good for the world the world cannot be ruled by a superpower fortunately you see the the superpower the head of the superpower is elected by ordinary people who have their own interests oil interests coal interests agricultural pricing anti-immigration anti-black or something
• 21:00 - 21:30 like that those are not the values by which and Consciousness by which the world can be ruled for its own sake this is a pure he steps down from being a a world leader and a world Diplomat a Visionary Diplomat to being a a businessmen after a quick profit because there are uh uh budgetary defic I don't see this making America stronger any
• 21:30 - 22:00 more than Putin attacking Ukraine has made Russia stronger it hasn't it's revealed all of the weakness that it has and already countries that have asserted and Europe and uh and Canada even Mexico threatened to respond will only reveal the weaknesses America's strength comes because people follow it because they trust it because they rely on it and
• 22:00 - 22:30 feel they can depend on it otherwise what strength uh unless it except for the military what use do you have for military in times of Peace this is my third observation you can question it challenge it ask for uh I'm trying to look beyond the the surface appearances to really what will be the consequences of it not what anybody
• 22:30 - 23:00 intended that's why I mentioned Germany Germany didn't intend to end all colonialism it ended to be the greatest colonial power actually sir thank you sir for the detailed insights why I asked this question is that this is happening even though zinski initially you know initiated this September these
• 23:00 - 23:30 things are coming in the birth month of mother like now in February yes exactly I heard saw the news yesterday like no Trump saying like he's going to come to us to sign the the Min correct he's on 28 tomorrow so I felt some kind of corresponden is there which I may not be able to Fathom so I thought like know where all these things are leading to so your answer is uh cly insightful sir one
• 23:30 - 24:00 more thing like it is in the line of what sh always say I agree with your observation I think it's a very astute observation uh the events are one thing the significance of the events is another that's why I was asking like often says like like the world progresses through our stumblings exactly but through our mistake you know like you say with the Germany example we
• 24:00 - 24:30 might expect something out of it but something else really comes that's exactly my theme also right exactly that's the point to understand life in general and is that we have to go beyond the the surface movement and see what's really driving it I thought the moment that Putin would that that Trump approached Putin it's all
• 24:30 - 25:00 scoundrel activity but the threat of nuclear war has dissolved that's the number one priority first game I think look like even Putin has invited Trump to the upcoming some there is some national event in Russia so oh he's eager for that you know Putin is eager see he became an outcast Russia became an outcast so he has invited Chinese president
• 25:00 - 25:30 India as well as Trump also both Modi and zining is they have accepted Putin's invitation so it is pending to be seen like whether Trump is going to go there so that is the upcoming you see I have been feeling from the beginning that the war shouldn't have been started Ukraine becoming part of NATO their reason for wanting to do so was
• 25:30 - 26:00 understandable but it was a huge mistake of the of NATO to say we you can become part of NATO was a pure provocation of Russia uh they they have failed I I was at attended a NATO meeting in Croatia in I think it was 2011 or maybe 2012 must have been 2012 NATO ambassadors and I asked the ambassadors what is
• 26:00 - 26:30 the future role of Russia in NATO and the mouths fell open and they kept quiet there's no Soviet Union anymore there's no cold war anymore uh but uh NATO keeps growing because all of these East European countries have joined NATO they used to be part of Russia so Russia is more and more isol ol ated it was
• 26:30 - 27:00 done with provocation foolish lack of vision and uh diplomacy and Putin was reacting to that and trying to re to uh whatever his Ambitions were or anything uh and uh when they kept the the last provocation was Georgia and Ukraine wanted to become part of NATO uh which uh uh that was complete lack of vision and
• 27:00 - 27:30 diplomacy at the international level by by the other side Putin also made a mistake of thinking that he could get what he wanted by assertion but they were looking down at him American arrogance European blindness uh provoked him I I don't agree with Trump said that zalinski started the war but it was foolish it was fool foolish to have the war and it was foolish to provoke them
• 27:30 - 28:00 uh uh and uh the end of this and restoring self-respect for Russia uh is a very essential thing for the future of humanity uh uh so whatever Trump's intention mother can mother acted through Hitler as an instrument to destroy imperialism I guess it could act through Trump
• 28:00 - 28:30 your observation was very good you had another point I interrupted you please this related question are like no one of the argument is given quite often is like no for example a section of people in US or America keep saying that no Europe is Dead Europe is dead the reason they keep saying that is they say that no uh because of the long period of Peace time the government the government
• 28:30 - 29:00 part or the governance part has become too big in Europe and of course slowly in us also nowadays they saying that no the number of laws and regulations uh has been keep growing so which is almost become impossible for like for example Enterprises to grow so what they are seeing as like no as a fight or you know struggle between uh regulation versus the need to grow or
• 29:00 - 29:30 the know the how they see the America is championing the spirit of growth or economic growth and they see like now Europe as something like no uh it has become too much fossilized and it is always talking about in terms of Regulation and Regulation and more regulation even the climate change they see in this kind of arguments so so if you see like no uh this is one
• 29:30 - 30:00 of the Trump supporters like no they also take here and there these kind of views and they use like know uh to justify what Trump is doing like or his government is doing like what Trump is doing is for the growth versus the what has stopped the growth of Europe in one way they bash the Europe saying that it is because of to they are
• 30:00 - 30:30 saying it is not primarily against Europe but against the bureaucracy bureaucracy means basically you know it has become grown so big uh and this is the justification Trump is also giving for the the department he has created one Department as well under Elan musk yeah Department of government efficiency or something like that so that is the justification given to why he they running
• 30:30 - 31:00 this B of going through the names and things what I am trying to bring here is between the two principles one is the uh regulation versus the growth uh one one set of people seem to be saying like growth is more important otherwise no America cannot keep its prominent position it is getting into more and more into National so we have to grow our economy that is
• 31:00 - 31:30 the argument kind of argument he is giving like why he is doing the way he is doing things because if we we if you don't do because of the depth which is growing the economy will eventually collapse that is the argument they are given but like I don't know understand all this details but what I'm trying to ask you is like no how these things like so like growth versus the regulation this I have
• 31:30 - 32:00 a reply to that it's a very good observation I could say it's a fourth Point uh China is taking the collectivist view of economic growth and development by the suppression of individual freedoms for the benefit of the collective at the sacri rice of individual
• 32:00 - 32:30 Freedom yes us has emphasized unbridled individual Freedom at the expense of the collective the if you see the economic figures Connie is researching some of them for me on what's happened to living standards in the US and what's GDP is growing but it doesn't mean that the welfare of the people is
• 32:30 - 33:00 growing uh I think it was I saw it on YouTube recently see the the cost of education is so high in private educational institutions in the US that half of them cannot cannot repay it the debts of the students is enormous in Germany almost all higher education is free the cost of Medical Care is so so great the dependence uh uh the in the US
• 33:00 - 33:30 we have the most expensive Medical Care in the world the rich people get very very good quality Medical Care and pay a very high price for it and many people uh it's it's too costly they can't afford it in Europe most of the European countries maybe all of them there's uh free medical care so you're us is at the other end of the extremee the the individual the dynamic
• 33:30 - 34:00 creative individual the inequality in the US is so high now I think Conny found a figure uh 30 years ago or something uh the average pay of the factory worker the average pay of the head of the company was five times greater than that of the factory worker now it's 20 times greater inequality is rising when inequality
• 34:00 - 34:30 Rises social discontent Rises China suppresses the discontent one by the force of authority and two by maintaining a relative equality not fully equality uh and uh what Trump's formula is it encourages the dynamism in America it it encourages growth for growth's sake it doesn't promote the maximum
• 34:30 - 35:00 welfare of the society if you look at any of the international measures you'll see that us is not the country with the highest living standards far from it it's not even in the top 10 it may have the most rich people it may be having the greatest economic power but what's the purpose of economy so Trump is running America as if the
• 35:00 - 35:30 purpose of America is a big business it should maximize its profit that's not the role of government the goal of government is to maximize the welfare and wellbeing of the whole population the businessman thrives by letting off replacing his workers with the with robots or buying his product from China at a lower or India at a lower price he thrives but what about the society to judge the government and and
• 35:30 - 36:00 run a government as if it's a business is to completely miss the fact the government is there to represent the whole country and the welfare of the whole country Trump is doing exactly the opposite he's dividing the country polarizing the country developing animosity between groups in the country and and leveraging that uh uh he's destroying the Integrity of the country
• 36:00 - 36:30 the identity of the country the shared identity of an American Dream now the American a dream is only for the rich and a lot of people are not dreaming a lot of people are sleeping on the the sidewalks what Europe has tried to do if you look at it as the opposition between the contradiction is us and China in between is Europe which is trying to reconcile it and the actually the quality of life in Europe is higher
• 36:30 - 37:00 than it is in the US we can get the measures Connie can look at it anybody can uh the quality of life peacefulness lack of crime not war so much war and crime and guns and no guns and all there uh the quality of life is better but uh the to the US the Britain Europe has sold itself out because they're trying to reconcile the
• 37:00 - 37:30 contradict the comp complimentary forces of the good of the collective and the freedom of the individual they have freedom in in Europe right now they may have more freedom than in the US from what we hear personally from Top people Trump is using the power of the government to threaten companies who don't do what he says threaten newspapers who he's taking away the freedom of the country which was the
• 37:30 - 38:00 strength of the country no country had freedom of speech the way us did they're take they're actually destroying the essence the that what gave America at strength was the freedom but not license what US what the US tried to do was balance the freedom of the individual for entrepreneurship for sure but what about the environment of the world what's the value of your freedom
• 38:00 - 38:30 if you're destroying the Earth's environment and destroying the planet for everybody it can't be called admirable it's called stupid blind greedy selfish stupidity that's a danger to the threat of humanity Europe is the one that's been most balanced yes they had a bureaucracy and yes how to Country 32 countries learn to live together have always been separate
• 38:30 - 39:00 learn to work together learn to agree on everything and how to live as a harmonious Society it's never happened before in history and how they have done it through the systems and the laws regulated and established by the whole of Europe with a European Parliament and a European Union it's the greatest experiment in human history the fact that there are pros and cons to it is
• 39:00 - 39:30 natural it's not perfect because the human beings are not perfect and laws are not perfect and judgment and politics are not and these people still have to be elected there the Democratic countries they have to be elected by politic they have to elect politicians the people have to vote and the people don't vote what's ideal they vote what they want they vote what they want which may not be in the interest of the rest of Europe so the capacity for
• 39:30 - 40:00 compromise uh is extraordinary the diplomacy they are learning 32 countries to live together under a common thing is unprecedented in history and they're learning to do it not by suppressing their freedom in US you can say now trump it can run as an autocrat over the whole country because most of the power he is is to the central government the states have power he's trying to reduce
• 40:00 - 40:30 the power of the states to a large extent in Europe they've got the greatest balance between centralized power and distributed power sh bendo wrote in the ideal of human Unity that a a central authorit a a a federal system like the US will not work at the global level it doesn't allow for enough
• 40:30 - 41:00 freedom and variation a confederal he he talks about a confederal model where each of the nation states maintains a good deal of autonomy but within a collective framework that they've all agreed to and that's what Europe may be overdoing in some areas maybe not enough in other areas that's what Europe is striving for it's much more along the lines because shendo says
• 41:00 - 41:30 if it's a federal government like that one man imagine if Trump is the head of the world not just the head of the US what is the power he has his point was that unless you maintain some autonomy of this of the Nations you'll lose the creativity and vitality of the the variation the cultural variation the diversity of uh the small groups of the
• 41:30 - 42:00 creative ones so EU EU is not a failed state if you live there or know what they're doing they may be not they may be moderate by compared with the US and they have their challenges as well uh with the surrounding to Europe and all trying to live by Democratic principles deal with refugees and everything like that but I would say there far Advanced from the US the US economy can collapse
• 42:00 - 42:30 the US dollar can be abandoned it doesn't uh at any time uh what is the US military going to do if there's nobody to fight how is it going to help its people the violence is increasing in the US the discontent is increasing the fracturing of politics is showing the people voted for Trump not because they
• 42:30 - 43:00 support him but because they were un they were uncomfortable with what's happening in the country the social cohesion is being lost I'm not predicting the collapse of the US I don't have that knowledge I hope it doesn't happen but I see the tendency is is in that direction bringing people to a new stage of evolution is a very very challenging thing the the the turbulence we see at
• 43:00 - 43:30 the global level comes because humanity is coming closer than it's ever come before and the vested interests the thing that's motivating the US is the vested interest of money power do you want money power ruling the world what happened to Human Rights and and Justice and all the it's the corporate power and the money power power it's more a plutocracy than a democracy it's
• 43:30 - 44:00 fighting to reassert itself because when global warming comes when environmental laws come the companies are restricted in how they conduct their business for the sake of the world and the company says we don't have enough freedom and Trump says don't worry I will stop uh all of these regulations and everything I'll close the environmental uh Protection Agency uh will pump more oil
• 44:00 - 44:30 and will become the biggest oil producer in the world great and the GDP will come up and the cost of petrol will come down and inflation will come down and he'll look like a Great Hero who's destroying the world by doing it I'm very happy you raised the topic this is the topic that I'm writing a paper on which Connie is helping me with now uh but I what I spoke here I'm not
• 44:30 - 45:00 speaking out very clearly in the paper because it involves a subtle knowledge uh that is I I could mention Germany and leave people to ponder but I can't assert that this is the the will of a higher Consciousness working so I have been more moderate you gave me an opportunity to express my thoughts
• 45:00 - 45:30 very interesting yes sir actually from your discussion SRI arabindo principles are revealing sir how to map that principle with the reality so we can't be doing and seeing what the news is Daily News is and coming to conclusions from that it is it is the process of U moving from ignorance to knowledge uh the real proc progress is
• 45:30 - 46:00 we have to unite our mind Life along with freedom and with the collective uh perspective sir see I'm hoping that these are thoughts that could be spoken in a country like India quoting yes sir I cannot quote cannot quote it in the uh it won't make sense unless you know there's a higher Consciousness acting it won't make
• 46:00 - 46:30 sense it it won't convince anybody with your one point I'm able to understand sir here so how the growth and the policy both together can travel is um this is purely my thought correct me sir if I'm wrong uh it is like one point of time we have to look into
• 46:30 - 47:00 the the dynamic part of the external situations so it need to be the policy need to be create achieve again deconstruct and then again we have to regrow with the new policy with the current environmental situations so the one the main problem is the old policy We are rigidly following and uh forcing uh to the the holistic view is missing sir
• 47:00 - 47:30 here correct exactly seei one of the things that stimulated my thinking a lot was reading about mother's prayers which I keep citing in the talks because and shendo writes it also and mother speaks it in many places not just in her prayers in the that the process of evolution in Consciousness all always inevitably results in a reaction and a
• 47:30 - 48:00 resistance of all the forces that are that need all the things that need to be transformed it's true for the individual the resistance of our unconscious human nature the ignorance in us the car we have to we see that process of evolution in our own daily lives by the challenge we face to move from the entrenched
• 48:00 - 48:30 characteristics of human nature which we've inherited at the physical vital mental level and the the freec creation of a higher Consciousness in our lives that is the challenge of yoga the same thing is there at the global level same thing is there at all the levels whereever there's a progress a real revolutionary progress there's a reaction to the progress Putin is a reaction to the process from the Empire
• 48:30 - 49:00 level Trump is a reaction from unbridled capitalism which has been uh which has been which was stopped at the a hundred years ago during the uh uh uh the New Deal uh during the Great Depression they've undone regulations that were set up for banking in the Great Depression and it's now banking is running wild at the global level going back to things
• 49:00 - 49:30 that proved disastrous 100 years ago and caused the 2008 financial crisis and will'll bring further so this has been a a dominant View and I've written this in the paper because I could get away that uh the the resistance it's there in for mother in every word she said in every topic they write about the resistance of the lower Consciousness to
• 49:30 - 50:00 the change is a key element of the Dynamics of uh Evolution and that's what we're seeing in the world today it has many different China is depending on its autocratic power still uh even when it's trying to modernize cap economically Putin was trying to reassert the power of Empire Trump is reasserting and the US he's
• 50:00 - 50:30 supported by wealthy people like musk and everything who want to assert that profit and money and profit is is the only thing and everything else will be taken care of it won't be taken care of the earth will be destroyed it's it's fundamentally flawed uh ignorance and the forces like Europe and in the US there are plenty also who are just trying to reconcile
• 50:30 - 51:00 self-interest with the interests of the world and Common Sense uh are being threatened now uh unless this is you tried and fails and the failure may be uh a a great depression or it could be anything I don't know what it will be uh but uh it won't give itself up the ignorance doesn't give itself up we keep on insisting on our ignorance until we really get into
• 51:00 - 51:30 trouble and and suddenly fling ourselves at Mother's feet and say mother I promise not to be like that anymore this is collective yoga I I thank you CI for raising the topic because this is what I most wanted to discuss but I didn't expect it on the call so uh sir uh next to consecration is
• 51:30 - 52:00 conscious offering your caption on ignorance has to be highlighted and posted in each and everybody's home so these are all that we've been knowing for a long time by the way by the way CI I've also smuggled into this paper contradictions or compliments because I thought I could get away with that I don't have to invent a Supreme Being or a universal Consciousness we can just see the truth of it in life so
• 52:00 - 52:30 I'm trying to smuggle in as much as I can without losing credibility with the reader we have to see very beautiful aism like he talks about the world he put it so simply like I sometime like I quoted one where he says not the world progresses through its tumblings exactly exactly the word but his code is so beautiful like that in that series
• 52:30 - 53:00 yes like he also says like same thing about the errors also like errors are like exactly of going towards the truth quite often we may not moment of error or mistake know that no thing but actually it also Le us to the truth something like that he is and and absolutely right and srem deals with it very well in this book on uh as well he has seen that when he wrote the last
• 53:00 - 53:30 book or this book uh it's interesting mother didn't want him to write anything else she said this is enough at least for now but super manhood but um we have known the process known the idea for a long time but only recently I understand it applies to the smallest little detail of life it applies to everything everything that happens comes for our
• 53:30 - 54:00 progress not just the big things he seemed to catch a glimpse of that when he wrote this book uh and uh uh that gives us an understanding of the life movement that uh others cannot have I think in human cycle or somewhere I don't remember the exact uh uh the sentence he says like sometimes
• 54:00 - 54:30 in history or like in the past what seems like the greatest good event May lead to some know disastrous consequences at that moment it may look like know something really good and then like there are similarly what may look like know some disastrous event May lead to something really good I'm just communicating the idea he says so something human and give some examples also
• 54:30 - 55:00 like in the human cycle I don't remember now but while saying these things this is how in history such things happen like what seems to us at that moment something the greatest good may lead to something really bad and opposite yeah and there are other moments which may look really bad at that moment may lead to really great consequences exactly that's because the ego is
• 55:00 - 55:30 judging the mind and ego are judging things without seeing the evolutionary intention without understanding The evolutionary process that's why mother says don't put your Reliance on the mind's externalized way of seeing things the Great Depression was the most horrible Financial economic event in the American history it gave birth to the Social Security System it gave birth to the protection
• 55:30 - 56:00 of individuals workers and everything which led to the prosperity after World War II now they're trying to take it apart when they take it apart they'll they'll realize they have to become socialists like Europe but all the principles are revealing and the in their daily calls Ban's principles
• 56:00 - 56:30 and no wastage in the world exactly that one word carries today it's very important in the world so that that principle make us to think holistically sir how we can uh how the no Wast there will be no wastage so says that we have to realize realize the
• 56:30 - 57:00 spiritual thought and ideas not by intellectually this this knowledge apart from them and aa's writing this knowledge is not there with the world yet this is the knowledge India can give to the world if there's re receptivity yes sir that's why Papa wanted to start a development University this is what we should be
• 57:00 - 57:30 teaching great very inspiring thanks CI for your question uh the other day like you were mentioning about uh sr's book super manhood chapter 6 I tried to go through that he talked about the inner outer correspondence there so it was like pretty dense I mean I could get a glimpse but he was talking about it he said that the normal world
• 57:30 - 58:00 if somebody like punches you then you'll feel the pain but he kind of says that if there is a pain then you there is something inside which you have to change he talks about the inner outer correspondence in chapter six it's a very tough read but uh yeah you're right it is a very tough read one because he's written it for the Westerner who relates in the abstract rather than through the
• 58:00 - 58:30 analogy and the example his his his writing is full of metaphors and poetic images I also have I think anybody would have trouble with it except the poet who likes the Poetry uh and um compared with the clarity of what apaa writes that makes it so real I appreciate it that he saw this
• 58:30 - 59:00 the reality not that he could communicate people I don't think many people can get much out of the book but they can understand that the book is profound and then he's trying to tell something important uh his uh but it carried a truth in it you have to really there are certain chapter chapter six I thought was the
• 59:00 - 59:30 best uh there he really had some glimpse of life and he said some of these things overtly but he never gives examples that's yeah it's the example that will make it clear like apaa gives from PNP or life of a devote or whatever uh without that it's a pure abstraction but the principles are
• 59:30 - 60:00 there I admire your effort I read it I'm going through it again there are some inspiring passages inspiration is not Clarity you feel there's an inspiration but uh he was he's an organized Western mind which was coming out of that and being influenced by mother and saw a glimpse
• 60:00 - 60:30 of things Beyond it he didn't know how to express it he didn't know how to organize it AP knew how to organize it he UND because it's there in the tradition very interesting s