Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11

Summary

In a revealing interview with Tucker Carlson, former Congressman Curt Weldon discusses the controversial aspects surrounding the 9/11 attacks. Weldon, who was close to becoming Chairman of the Armed Services Committee, claims a cover-up regarding pre and post 9/11 events and expresses doubts about the 9/11 Commission Report. He reveals intelligence mishandling, government cover-ups, and powerful interests manipulating the truth, urging for a new independent investigation to uncover potential conspiracies. Weldon's insights challenge the official narrative and call for accountability from U.S. institutions.

Highlights

• Curt Weldon reveals shocking details about 9/11 intelligence failures 📉
• The former congressman exposes the role of government officials in covering up 9/11 truths 🕵️‍♂️
• He claims the 9/11 report is unreliable and seeks a new investigation 📜
• Weldon shares experiences of political retribution for his claims 😯
• The interview suggests powerful interests suppressed crucial 9/11 information for strategic gains 🎯

Key Takeaways

• Curt Weldon believes there was a cover-up by the 9/11 Commission 🙈
• He alleges that intelligence agencies hindered the prevention of 9/11 🤔
• Weldon exposes potential CIA involvement with the hijackers 🎭
• There's a call for a new independent investigation into 9/11 🚨
• He questions the government's transparency and motives around 9/11 🔍

Overview

Curt Weldon, once on the brink of chairing the Armed Services Committee, claims his political career was derailed by his inquiries into 9/11 and government integrity. He shares an unnerving tale of intimidation, from FBI raids on his family to accusations that question his patriotism, suggesting it was all orchestrated to silence his dissent against the established narrative of 9/11.

Weldon's narrative delves deep into intelligence operations that identified future threats pre-9/11, yet were inexplicably hindered by the FBI and CIA, who allegedly ignored or altered their course of action. He suggests a conspiracy that shadowed these operations and the defensive measures that could have prevented one of America's gravest tragedies.

Advocating for a new investigation into the events surrounding 9/11, Weldon highlights how the firefighters and civilian heroes of that day were let down by their leaders. He calls for the truth to honor those who lost their lives and to prevent future tragedies, stressing the vital need for transparency and accountability from the nation's highest offices.

Chapters

• 00:00 - 00:30: Introduction to Curt Weldon This chapter introduces Curt Weldon, a former congressman from Pennsylvania. The narrator mentions that the interview with Weldon took place five days prior and left a lasting impression. Curt Weldon was a prominent figure in Washington about 20 years ago, known for his significant influence as a Republican and his anticipated leadership of the Armed Services Committee. However, his career and personal life took a drastic turn when he started questioning the official narrative of 9/11, leading to severe repercussions from the Bush administration, including an FBI investigation involving his daughter.
• 00:30 - 02:00: The Story of Curt Weldon The chapter explores the story of Curt Weldon, a former congressman who was forced out of Congress amidst some controversy. The narrator has not been in touch with him for 20 years and was uncertain about the outcome of their conversation. However, the discussion unexpectedly raised numerous questions. Curt Weldon is described as rational and not making unfounded claims, but he holds many inquiries about the events. By the conversation's end, when asked how many officials around Washington during 9/11 share his concerns, Weldon implied there are others with similar questions.
• 02:00 - 03:30: 9/11 and Potential Cover-Up The chapter explores the aftermath of the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the United States, addressing the profound changes it brought to the country and its people. There's a focus on the accuracy of the 9/11 Commission report, hinting at potential inaccuracies or cover-ups. It reflects on how the event remains a pivotal moment in American history, altering the country's trajectory significantly and leaving lasting impacts on those who experienced it.
• 03:30 - 05:00: The Gilmore Commission and Intelligence Issues The chapter discusses the need for a rational and honest examination of the events and responses surrounding the 9/11 attacks. It highlights the issues of unanswered questions and the necessity for conversations with government officials and participants involved in the response to 9/11. The emphasis is on moving away from speculative or sensational approaches and focusing on a sober, honest analysis.
• 05:00 - 06:30: Able Danger Team's Findings This chapter introduces a multi-part documentary series focused on 9/11. The segment features former Congressman Kurt Weldon, who is being interviewed. The interviewer reminisces about their previous interactions with Weldon on past shows, particularly highlighting an incident in 2006 involving the FBI raiding Weldon's daughter's house, which led to general assumptions of corruption despite no follow-up on the matter. The chapter sets up the context for a deeper exploration into the 9/11 events and Weldon's involvement.
• 06:30 - 08:00: Accusations against the CIA and FBI The chapter discusses the accusations against the CIA and FBI made by a Republican figure, Kurt Weldon. He criticized the US intelligence response to the 9/11 attacks, suggesting that elements within the US government allowed the attacks to happen and subsequently covered this up. Prior to potentially becoming the chairman of the Armed Services Committee, his daughter's house was raided by the FBI, impacting his political career.
• 08:00 - 09:30: Allegations of 9/11 Commission Cover-Up The chapter titled 'Allegations of 9/11 Commission Cover-Up' discusses the political landscape surrounding a certain election where one candidate possessed an unusual amount of funding from various sources across the United States. This raised suspicions of a possible setup, prompting discussions about the transparency and fairness of the election process. The conversation also reflects on the narrator's professional background as a teacher and volunteer firefighter and reminisces about past collaborative media appearances, highlighting mutual respect and admiration among the speakers.
• 09:30 - 11:00: Curt Weldon on US Government's Failures The chapter discusses Curt Weldon’s dedication to issues surrounding the 9/11 attacks, stating his commitment does not stem from financial gain but from personal devotion. He recounts his experiences related to the attacks, including his visit to the World Trade Center in 1993 at the invitation of Fire Commissioner Howard Schaefer, where he met Ray Downey, a dedicated fire officer and former Marine. Downey’s insights and friendship left a significant impact on Weldon, guiding him in his efforts to address security failures.
• 11:00 - 12:30: Claims of Intelligence Manipulation The chapter titled 'Claims of Intelligence Manipulation' introduces the background of the Gilmore Commission, which was established to address issues of intelligence manipulation. The chapter highlights that the Gilmore Commission was chaired by Governor Jim Gilmore, who is portrayed as a man of integrity. It mentions that recommendations from the Gilmore Commission, such as establishing a fusion center of intelligence, were later adopted by the 9/11 Commission. The account comes from the perspective of someone who was advocating for firefighters and dealing with disaster preparedness at the time.
• 12:30 - 14:00: Alleged Suppression of 9/11 Truth In the chapter titled 'Alleged Suppression of 9/11 Truth,' the speaker discusses his role in overseeing military research and technology funding, totaling about $180 billion. He mentions the creation of information dominance centers, such as the Army's center at Fort Belvoir. The speaker describes frequent visits and a close relationship with these centers, although he did not delve deeply into the programs themselves. He highlights the significance of new software technologies, like Starlight Inspires, used for data mining, analysis, and link analysis, emphasizing their importance in preventing incidents like 9/11.
• 14:00 - 15:30: Curt Weldon's Personal Experiences and Fallout Curt Weldon discusses his involvement in a significant global event, the first bombing, and his efforts to raise awareness about it within the U.S. government.
• 15:30 - 17:00: The Role of Intelligence Agencies The chapter titled 'The Role of Intelligence Agencies' discusses the importance of collaboration between various intelligence and defense agencies in the United States. Highlighted is a meeting that took place on November 4, 1999, in the Rayburn building. Participants included John Hamry, the deputy secretary of defense, and deputy directors of the FBI and CIA. The discussion focused on the necessity of using classified systems data, which was integral to the success of the National Operation Analysis Hub, also known as the Fusion Center. This tool was designed for policymakers and war fighters to address emerging transnational terrorist threats. Emphasis was placed on the pressing need for these agencies to allow access to their raw data to ensure the success of these initiatives.
• 17:00 - 18:30: Questioning the Official 9/11 Narrative The chapter titled 'Questioning the Official 9/11 Narrative' delves into the differing approaches of the FBI and CIA regarding the creation of a fusion center prior to the 9/11 attacks. The narrator shares their experiences traveling and advocating for the initiative, facing opposition from the CIA who preferred their own CI21 project. The chapter concludes with the aftermath of 9/11, where the urgency and need for such a center become evident through frantic communications.
• 18:30 - 20:00: Potentially Suppressed Information on Bin Laden In this chapter, the narrator discusses interactions with the Able Danger team, comprising individuals with military and intelligence backgrounds including Scott Philpot, Tony Schaefer, and Eileen Pricer. The team seeks to convey potentially suppressed information regarding Bin Laden. The narrator is approached with urgency to meet and learn from these members, each bringing their unique expertise and credentials to the table, highlighting the importance and secrecy surrounding the information they intend to share.
• 20:00 - 21:30: Impact of Political Decisions on Security The chapter "Impact of Political Decisions on Security" highlights how intelligence agencies identified multiple Al Qaeda cells, including one in New York, a year before the 9/11 attacks. Despite this critical intelligence, attempts by the Able Danger team to communicate their findings to the FBI and the Justice Department were thwarted multiple times. The chapter underscores the significant impact political decisions and bureaucratic obstacles can have on national security.
• 21:30 - 23:00: The Bush Administration's Role The chapter delves into the actions and decisions of the Bush Administration in relation to the events leading up to 9/11. It highlights the restrictions placed on FBI communications, as noted by Louisie Free, former FBI director, who argued in public forums that sharing of certain intelligence might have thwarted the 9/11 attacks. General Keith Lambert's role and experiences are also mentioned, particularly in the context of his command over special operations.
• 23:00 - 24:30: 9/11 Cover-Up Allegations and Personal Repercussions The chapter discusses the lingering controversies and allegations surrounding the events of 9/11, focusing on possible cover-ups. Conversations with a general reveal immediate suspicions about the attackers, specifically Muhammad Ada. The narrator mentions publishing a critical book that challenges the actions of intelligence agencies and focuses on the defense of individuals mistreated by military intelligence. Additionally, it hints at the involvement of a whistleblower from the Pentagon's inspector general’s office, named John Crane, who filed relevant documents, underscoring the personal and institutional consequences of questioning the official narrative.
• 24:30 - 26:00: Election and FBI Raid Impact The chapter discusses an individual's attempt to become a whistleblower after being instructed to lie to Congress by his superiors in the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA). He claims to have documented proof of being directed to misinform. Additionally, the chapter addresses criticisms of the 9/11 Commission, labeling it as a cover-up, allegedly led by Philip Zelikow, who was chosen by Condoleezza Rice. The narrative involves criticisms from Tony Schaefer about Zelikow's role in the commission.
• 26:00 - 27:30: Curt Weldon's Observations on US Politics The chapter discusses Curt Weldon's insights into US politics, focusing on an encounter in Afghanistan involving Tony Schaefer and Zelico during the post-9/11 period. Zelico was investigating the possibility of soldiers having prior information about the 9/11 attacks. Tony Schaefer, who was deployed in Afghanistan, was advised by his commanding officer to meet with Zelico due to his involvement in a special team. Schaefer and Zelico exchanged business cards in Kabul, with Zelico emphasizing the importance of meeting up once back in America.
• 27:30 - 29:00: Insights on US Intelligence Community The chapter 'Insights on US Intelligence Community' highlights the story of a lieutenant colonel who faced severe repercussions upon returning to the United States after completing his assignment. The Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) secured and locked his office, as well as destroyed his personal files. This government action extended to damaging his reputation and career. In response, a 1-hour special order was presented on the floor, characterizing the event as a scandal larger than Watergate. The controversy and footage related to these events are publicly accessible online.
• 29:00 - 30:30: Potential Political Solutions and Exposure In the chapter titled "Potential Political Solutions and Exposure," the initial focus is on personal narratives related to Afghanistan, particularly involving Tony Schaefer. The chapter discusses how Schaefer, after facing harassment by the regular army related to actions by Zelico, continued his service in the reserves. It touches on a controversial perspective about elements of the US government allegedly working hard to conceal the knowledge and preventive potential they had prior to the 9/11 attacks. The narrative implies that crucial information was ignored, signaling possible deeper motives or systemic failures.
• 30:30 - 32:00: Curt Weldon's Advocacy for 9/11 Truth The chapter discusses Curt Weldon's advocacy for 9/11 truth, focusing on critiques of the official 9/11 report.
• 32:00 - 33:30: The Role of Firefighters The chapter titled 'The Role of Firefighters' discusses a cover-up that seems to involve military or governmental oversight. An individual named Tony Schaefer is mentioned, who appears to have had approval from a commanding general to write memoirs titled 'Darkheart'. The memoirs were reviewed and cleared for publication by the commanding general, indicating no immediate issues with the content. The narrative suggests underlying tensions or controversies regarding the content that was either hidden or de-emphasized in the approval process.
• 33:30 - 35:00: Final Thoughts and Call to Action In this chapter, the narrative revolves around the suppression of a controversial book titled 'Darkheart.' The government intervenes, issuing a cease and desist order to halt its publication, but the action comes too late. As a desperate measure, the government buys all 10,000 copies of the first edition using taxpayer money and destroys them. The chapter closes with a reference to an inquiry made by the narrator to Tony about the possession of the original version of 'Darkheart,' hinting at the continued existence of the unaltered narrative.

Rep. Curt Weldon: It’s Time to Finally Tell the Truth About 9-11 Transcription

• 00:00 - 00:30 We recorded the interview you're about to watch five days ago and I've been thinking about it ever since. It's with a former congressman from Pennsylvania called Kurt Weldon. Kurt Weldon was a very significant figure in Washington 20 years ago. He was not some obscure backbencher. He was one of the most powerful Republicans in the Congress about to take over the Armed Services Committee until he asked questions about the official story on 9/11. at which point the Bush administration sent the FBI to his daughter's house, destroyed her life, never charged her with a
• 00:30 - 01:00 crime, and effectively got Curt Weldon bounced out of Congress. I haven't talked to him in 20 years. I didn't know exactly what to expect, but this conversation, the one you're about to see, raises far more questions than I ever anticipated. This is not a crazy person. These are not crazy questions. He makes no claims he doesn't have personal firsthand evidence of. When it ended, I asked him, "How many other officials who were in and around Washington during 9/11 have similar questions?" And he said to me, "As far
• 01:00 - 01:30 as I know, all of them," and he's still in touch with a lot of those people. After this conversation, which again we've been thinking about ever since, I thought it might be time to look a little more deeply into the 9/11 Commission report. Was it accurate? 911 changed the United States forever. Those of us who remember it, who live through it, can tell you this was a different country afterward. Completely different and not a better country. And so there is no more significant historical event in the lifetimes of any living American
• 01:30 - 02:00 than 9/11. And the fact that there are still outstanding questions about what exactly happened and why is troubling. Up until this point, most of the people who've addressed these questions are either crazy or seem slightly crazy. Now is the time for a sober look. not a wildeyed speculative look, but an honest look and honest conversations with people who participated in the response to that day, government officials. And so, we're going to do that. We are planning right now a
• 02:00 - 02:30 multi-part documentary series on 9/11 and we hope to bring that to you as soon as we possibly can. And now, former Congressman Kurt Weldon. Congressman, thank you so much for doing this. I haven't seen you in 20 years. I one of the last times I thought about you was right around 2006 and I you had been a frequent guest on the show that I was hosting then and I read that the FBI had raided your daughter's house and I thought man I was like Kerwwell then I guess he's corrupt and then I heard never heard anything about it and then you lost that election um to a guy who I
• 02:30 - 03:00 always thought was kind of repulsive and then probably 15 years passed and I thought to myself wait a second Kurt Weldon was the only Republican I'm aware of who criticized the US response the intel ay's response to 9/11 who wrote a book blaming elements of the US government for allowing 911 to happen and then covering it up and then right on the cusp of becoming tell me if I'm getting this wrong chairman of the armed services committee the FBI raids your daughter's house and you lose an
• 03:00 - 03:30 election in which your opponent has funding from all over the United States never no one's ever heard of this guy he's got more money and you're out of Congress and I began to think maybe this was a setup. So, I thought I would ask you. Well, it definitely was and you're always one of my heroes. I enjoyed your show uh with Paul Begala and uh when I did Hannah years ago, all the others and enjoyed and and I was always I took my work very seriously. I'm a teacher by profession, youngest of nine kids, firefighter as a volunteer uh all my
• 03:30 - 04:00 life and that's my devotion even to this day. I don't get any money for it, but it's what I'm committed to and why I care about 911 so much. Um, I was at 911. I was not 911. I was at the trade center in 93 at the invitation of fire commissioner Howard Schaefer to go up there and learn about what had occurred the first time they attacked us. And they introduced me to a young fire officer, former Marine, five kids named Ray Downey. He became one of my best friends. Ray told me what he thought we should do. Uh, I took his advice
• 04:00 - 04:30 seriously and wrote the legislation to create the Gilmore Commission. The Gilmore Commission was chaired by Virginia Governor Jim Gilmore, a man of integrity. I had him on a podcast last September for 20 minutes. And the Gilmore Commission's recommendations were largely what the 9/11 Commission took credit for after the fact. One of those recommendations was to have a fusion center of intelligence be put together. At the time, I was doing this on behalf of the firefighters to deal with disasters. I was in the position to
• 04:30 - 05:00 oversee the funding as the chairman of all military research and technology funding about $180 billion. The services were building information dominant centers. The armies was at Fort Belvoir and I would get down there regularly and meet with them and we became good friends. Um I didn't bother getting ready into the program. I didn't need to but I knew what they were using with new software like Starlight Inspires and Fusion and data mining and analysis and and link analysis. this is going to be important to prevent what happened in
• 05:00 - 05:30 93. So I supported which was the first bombing of the world first bombing and as a result um I went to John Hamry, deputy secretary of defense under Clinton and I said John you have to go see what they're doing down there. He did. He called me said you're right Mr. Chairman and by the way John Hamry had endorsed me for chairman of the committee in 2000 as did as did um um Rumsfeld. This is before 911 obviously both endorsed me publicly. had their letters and uh he said, "But you've got to convince the CIA and the FBI to let
• 05:30 - 06:00 us use their raw data because there are 33 classified systems and if they don't allow us to use their data, this won't succeed." On November the 4th of 1999, in my office in the Rayburn building, I had John Hamry, deputy secretary of defense. I had the deputy director of the FBI and I had their names and the deputy director of the CIA and we talked about the Noah, National Operation Analysis Hub, Policymaker and War Fighters tool to deal with emerging transnational terrorist threats, the Fusion Center. Henry said, "We need
• 06:00 - 06:30 this. I I'll manage it." I said, "I'll get it funded." The FBI said, "Great. We're all in." And the CIA said, "We don't want it. We're not supporting it. We're doing something called CI21 on our own." I spent two years traveling around the country giving speeches at intelligence forums calling for a fusion center. I put language in two successive defense bills calling for a fusion center. 911 happens. I get frantic calls from four of those professional staffers
• 06:30 - 07:00 at the Able Danger team, which I later learned was the name of this group at Fort Belvoir. We have to see you right away, Mr. Chairman. Scott Philpot, Anapapolis grad, Navy career uh officer, commander of four ships, pleading with me to meet Tony Schaefer, Lieutenant Colonel, Bronstar recipient, spy for the military. Eileen Pricer, Lieutenant um Air Force career intelligence officer, expert on computers, and Air Kleinmith. I met with each of them privately. They
• 07:00 - 07:30 all told me the same story, and they rolled out the charts that I just showed you. Those charts I will make public now because they're not classified. I showed them when I testified before the Senate hearing. We identified every cell of Al Qaeda in the world. The year before 9/11. We identified the New York cell uh a year before 9/11. We knew there was going to be a problem. The Able Danger team tried to go to the FBI and Justice Department three times. We have the names. All three times they were
• 07:30 - 08:00 stopped. We have the names of the person in the FBI that was told to deny the meetings. They were not allowed to transfer the information. That information when I came out with my book, Louisie Free, former FBI director, wrote in an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal and said on Good Morning America, could have prevented 9/11 from happening. That's not me saying that. That's Louis Free. And General Keith Lambert, our general in charge of special operations on horseback, was
• 08:00 - 08:30 asked in this award-winning book became a movie on page 27, "General, what were your thoughts when 9/11 happened?" And he said, "Within seconds, I knew who had done the attack, and I knew it involved Muhammad Ada." Uh thirdly, after this all broke and I came out with my book criticizing the agency and started really going crazy protecting these brave heroes that were being abused by defense intelligence, the inspector general for the Pentagon files a whistleblower paper. I have a copy of it. I'll give it to you. His name is John Crane. He asked
• 08:30 - 09:00 for protection because his bosses in DIA refused to allow him to become a whistleblower when he told them that he was told to lie to the Congress. He was told to misinform the Congress. I have that in writing, Tucker. The 9/11 Commission is a cover up. 1,000% cover up. Zelico was the lead of the coverup. Philip Zelikau was the Philip Zelico. He was handpicked by Condisa Rice when when Tony Schaefer met Zelico over in
• 09:00 - 09:30 Afghanistan because Zelico took a team through to see if there were soldiers who had maybe encountered some information about 9/11 in advance. Tony Schaefer had been back deployed in Afghanistan at the time. So he told his commanding officer, I should talk to them because I was a part of a special team. He met with Zelico. They exchanged business cards and Kabul. And Zelico said to him, "Lieutenant Colonel, you've got to see me as soon as you get back to America. It's very important." When Tony
• 09:30 - 10:00 went back to the states, they had shut down his office, locked his office, secured all his files, and they then worked to destroy his personal uh reputation. They tried to destroy his career. I went to the floor and did a 1-hour special order calling it a scandal bigger than Watergate. You can watch the footage. It's available online. I said, "This is outrageous that the Defense Intelligence Agency is screwing a lieutenant colonel because he's telling the truth about what he was told to talk about when he came back from
• 10:00 - 10:30 Afghanistan. Tony Schaefer then went to work in the reserves because he had been basically harassed by the regular army because of what Zelico did. So, so I just want to back up a couple steps. So you're saying what others have said before, which is that elements of the US government worked really, really hard to hide the fact that they could have prevented 9/11, that they had all the relevant information and for whatever reason ignored it. But motive really
• 10:30 - 11:00 matters here. Do you believe that there were people in the US government who made a bunch of mistakes or were too territorial and didn't share information with other agencies, therefore 911 happened, which is basically the conclusion of the 911 report, I think. Or do you believe that there were people in the US government who knew it was going to happen and allowed it to happen on purpose? Well, first of all, the 911 report has no credibility. I don't believe anything that is in that. That's a bunch of garbage. Um, it's a lot of paper that has no substance. Um, and I tend not to want to speculate on things
• 11:00 - 11:30 that I can't prove 100% myself or I'm not willing to take a polygraph. What I can tell you unequivocally is there was a cover up. And before I answer your question, I would state one more fact. Tony Schaefer got approval from his commanding general after this all whole thing happened to write his memoirs. His memoirs are called Darkheart. So he wrote the book. He had a publisher. The publisher he went to his commanding general to review the book as his protocol. His commanding general said, "Fine, Tony. There's nothing there. That's a problem. Publish it." Tony
• 11:30 - 12:00 publishes the book. Our deep state finds out he's publishing the book. A cease and desist order is issued against the publisher. Stop publishing the book. It's too late. Our government, our government buys all 10,000 copies of the first edition of Darkheart with taxpayer money and they destroy them. So I asked Tony on a show last September, as I've done many times, Tony, you have the original version of the book, right?
• 12:00 - 12:30 Yes. Here it is, Congressman. You have the redacted version, right? Yes. Here it is. What did they want out of your book that was so sensitive? What secret information were you giving, Tony? What classified information did your boss not see? He said, "Congressman, the only thing they wanted out of my book was the fact that I named Zelical and that I had briefed him in advance. That Tucker is treason. That means our agencies our agencies use their position not for something
• 12:30 - 13:00 involving our national security but for involving a a cover up of a person's identity who was publicly approved by the Congress of the United States appointed by the security adviser to President Bush. It's a massive cover up. Um at what point following 911 um since I just want to restate you served in Congress for about 20 years I think. Yep. and you really were at the heart of these question national security questions in the Congress. You were
• 13:00 - 13:30 about to become chairman of services. So you're at the top of the pyramid for for receiving relevant intelligence. At what point you weren't just some random guy at all. At what point after 9/11 the attacks of that day did you realize there's something bad going on here? Well, it it started before 911 when I realized that the intelligence I was getting as the vice chairman of the committee was not really solid intelligence. I would get better
• 13:30 - 14:00 information from Bill Girtz, a reporter that you know, coming to me with anonymous sources leaking to him. Yes. About intel matters. And I would then go to the CIA and say, "Why am I getting this information from a reporter that I know you're leaking from classified sources that I'm not getting as a member of Congress who's the vice chairman of the defense committee? Are you playing games with me?" And they wouldn't answer that. And that's what they do. They play games by manipulating the media to put out a narrative. And then we have to deal with that narrative. So Tucker,
• 14:00 - 14:30 what I did, there's a group in Washington that was known as the cockroaches. There are group of people that work for the intelligence agencies that get along socially and I knew them all. They trusted me. I formed a loosen network of about 15 or 20. We met for breakfast every week in the members dining room in the capital and they would feed me raw data. They would feed me raw data. Then I would go to the classified briefings using that raw data and I would ask questions of the CIA in front of the entire committee and in many cases I was the acting chairman
• 14:30 - 15:00 because the the chairman wasn't there. So here I am the acting chairman of the entire committee of armed services that fully embarrassed the uh the intelligence agencies and I'll get into that when we talk about the 9/11 information uh and post 911 where they put bin Laden. The point is that the agency plays games with Congress. The Congress thinks it's getting good information and it's not. Yes, the agency wants members fighting with each other over stupid things so they can do what they want. And that's not all. Well, there are good people in the agencies that I worked with and I would
• 15:00 - 15:30 go to go to war over. But there are some scumbags. I know those scumbags. At the appropriate time, I'll name those scumbags who have made millions and millions of dollars and are making millions and millions of dollars today. They're making it in Ukraine. They're making it around the world because of context they established. And all that ties back to their positions that they got supposedly working intelligence for the US. That's not what this country is all about. And you asked about my daughter.
• 15:30 - 16:00 So give us the timeline. So you um 911 happens. You keep ascending in Congress and you really and I remember this well cuz I interviewed you on these topics at the time 20 years ago when your book came out. Um and you start saying, "Wait a second. The US government really blew this. There are people who knew this was happening was going to happen and for whatever reason didn't stop it." And you're really the only Republican who's saying this. And then 2006, you're up for re-election. It's an even year, of course, and and you're from your district in Pennsylvania after 20 years
• 16:00 - 16:30 and out of nowhere, the FBI raids your daughter's house and we're all told it's because she's corrupt, you're corrupt, etc., etc. And then you lose and we kind of lose track of you and Washington goes on as it does and no one talks about 9/11 again. I think that's fair to say. I mean, I was there. I remember when all this happened though. You didn't cover it at all. I didn't put it together in my head at all until about a year ago. I was thinking about this in the shower. Whatever happened to Kurt Weldon and his daughter? So I go on the internet. I'm like, is Kurt Weldon's daughter in
• 16:30 - 17:00 prison? Cuz she's so corrupt like never talked to. So So what happened? So here's what happened. 2006 in in in 1999 and 2000. They wanted me to run for chairman of the committee. Jump over four or five members. Which committee? The armed services committee. But in Congress, the protocol is you wait a few times. So I have letters which I can show you Tucker from Donald Rumsfeld um endorsing me to become chairman of the Armed Services Committee in 2000. Yes. I have a letter from um from Deputy Secretary of Defense John Henry endorsing me to become chairman of the
• 17:00 - 17:30 committee in 2000. Dozens and dozens of letters. Then 911 happens. I felt personally responsible because I knew that we could have prevented it by the information that the Able Danger team established by General Hugh Shelton had gathered and tried to transfer three times and were blocked. So I said, "Uh-uh. I got I owe this to Ray Downey. I'm wearing his jacket today. I owe this to the firefighters in New York and around the country to get to the truth
• 17:30 - 18:00 if it's the last thing I do. And I owe it to all those soldiers that we're now sending overseas." That's right. So what I did, Tucker, I supported George Bush when he said we're going to send our troops over to Afghanistan. He made those heroic comments about we're going to get them. I took that as a patriotic American said yes, we're going to get them. But I was worried about what the Afghans might do as they did the Russian troops when they were in Afghanistan. So Tucker with Al San Antoni whom you know y and two other members of Congress I
• 18:00 - 18:30 privately without the knowledge of our government or the CIA I went to uh Paris. We met with King Zahir Sha the king of Afghanistan who was living in exile with his family in Paris. We met with him to convince him to go back to Kabal to convene a lawyer of all the tribes to to convince them to accept the American troops before they went in. So it wouldn't be like they did with Russia. King Zahir Sha agreed to that. I'll give you the photographs, Tucker.
• 18:30 - 19:00 And I had two members of Congress and Al Santoi with me, decorated Vietnam veteran. Zahir Sha went back. I did all I could to protect our American troops, not the CIA, our troops. Then I find out my intel team, those 20 people that were feeding me raw data, give me data within months after 9/11, that Bin Laden's been cited in a town called Leiz. I have nowhere, no idea where Leiz is. So I go up Pennsylvania Avenue to a bookstore
• 19:00 - 19:30 and buy a map. I just gave you the map here today, Tucker. You can show it. And I found Leiz. It's not in Afghanistan. It's not in Pakistan. It's in Iran. in an area called Baluchistan. So I go to the next classified briefing for the full committee. Now I'm the vice chairman of the full committee. There are 60 members. I'm the acting chairman at this time. So I said to the CIA, I have information of Bin Laden's in Lead. This is their response to me. Mr. Chairman,
• 19:30 - 20:00 we've heard similar reports. We can either confirm or deny them. I was in shock. I was in shock. We're sending kids to die in Afghanistan and we can't confirm or deny whether or not bin Laden's in Leadiz. Three months go by. I'm still supporting the president. My intel team comes back to me and say, "Kurt, he's being treated at a military hospital outside of Tran." I go back to the classified briefing and I ask the question in front
• 20:00 - 20:30 of the full committee. And the answer from the CIA is, "Mr. Chairman, we've heard similar reports. who can either confirm or deny that Bin Laden is being treated at a military hospital outside of Tran while we're sending kids to die in Afghanistan. I said, "This is outrageous." And then Tucker, I get a call from Jack Murtha, the most respected Democrat in the House, former Marine who I work with closely, and he says to me, "I want you to meet with Ron Clink, Democrat from Pittsburgh." And
• 20:30 - 21:00 Ron Clink's still alive. He'll verify this, Tucker. Jack's dead, but Ron's alive. He said, "Jack has a person who used to work for the agency that has information about Iran, and you investigate this kind of stuff. Kurt, will you meet with him?" I said, "Sure." Ron Clink comes to my office and brings this very tall man who's a former person from um the the Swedish area, but he's a US citizen. And I said, "How can I help you?" You know, Congressman Mirthth asked me to help. Ron Clink wants me to help. He said, "Congressman, I want you
• 21:00 - 21:30 to help me get into Iran." I said, 'Wh do you want to go to Iran?' He said, ' That's where Bin Laden is. I said, 'Wh would you tell me that Bin Laden's in Iran? He said, I was a knock for the agency. Do you know what a knock is? Yeah. Nonofficial cover. That's right. He said, "I was a knock for the agency and I worked that area and my friends are seeing Bin Laden in Iran. If you help me get to Tran, I'll leave my identity there. I'll get a piece of him dead or alive and I'll bring it back.
• 21:30 - 22:00 At the time, there was a $25 million reward for Bin Laden. I said, "I can't help you right now because I'm in a battle over this followup to 9/11." Then I get another call, Tucker, from the Interior Department, totally separate. They want to bring in their top birdman, their bird expert. I didn't think that was unusual because I was the Republican on the Migratory Bird Commission. The Migratory Bird Commission? No, there was like oversees all the flyways for all the refugees up and down the coast. I
• 22:00 - 22:30 was a Republican. John duck hunters like me. Thank you, by the way. John John Dingle was a Democrat. Of course, I've duck hunted with him. Yeah. Two senators and three cabinet members. So, I figure they want to talk about birds. I'm on the bird commission. I'll meet with them. So, this Interior Department bird expert brings in a US citizen from Maine who's a seek, but he's a US citizen. Very wealthy family. and he's got two falcons on his shoulders, million-dollar birds with the blinders on, beautiful, into my office. I said, "Good, boy, they're gorgeous. How can I be?" He
• 22:30 - 23:00 said, "Well, Congressman, I've devoted my life to falcons." He said, "I helped write the UN protection treaties on falconry." He said, "I trained all the children of the royal families in the sport of falconry." Yes. Because that's their sport. He said, "They all know me. They all trust me. They all in the Arab world, it's huge." Yes. Yes. He said, "So, and I want to help the country and there's a reward for Bin Laden." I said, 'Ye, I know that.' He said, 'I want you to help me go to Iran.' I said, 'Why do you want to go to Iran? Now, he knows nothing about anything else I'm doing.
• 23:00 - 23:30 My my falconers are seeing Bin Laden's birds flying in Iran. You help me go to Iran, they'll accept me there because they know me. I'll tag his birds and I'll take the US to exactly where he is. That's four four full source identities that Bin Laden was exactly where my intel people said he was. Over the course of time, Tucker, I developed 10 silver bullets. They wanted to do a movie about me after they took me out,
• 23:30 - 24:00 and I'll get to when they took me out. I got a call from Michael Shawyer. Michael was career CIA. After I was taken out of office, he called my home. He said, "Congressman, you remember me?" I said, "Vaguely, Michael." He said, "Well, I was the chairman of the Bin Laden task force in the CIA, and these people that you've that have met with you have shown me documents I never saw when I was working in the agency, and I was the Bin Laden task force director." He said, "We want you to work with us. We want you to be involved in a movie we're doing." I said, "Michael, after what they did to my family, I can't do it right now." I
• 24:00 - 24:30 hung up the phone. I get a call from General McCannernney about three months later. Tom McCannernney, he said, "Congressman, you remember?" I said, "Yes, General, I remember you." He said, "I'd like I'd like you to work with us, Congressman. I'm working with Michael Shawyer and and the Falconer, and we want you to be." I said, "I'm not getting involved after what they did to my family." They all had the same story, Tucker. So, what was it happening in 2006? All my elections were landslides. It's one of the saddest things about this country. The country is getting sicker. Despite all of our wealth and
• 24:30 - 25:00 technology, Americans aren't doing well overall. Obesity, heart disease, autoimmune conditions, all kinds of horrible chronic illnesses. weird cancers are all on the rise. Probably a lot of reasons for this, but one of them definitely is Americans don't eat very well anymore. They don't eat real food. Instead, they eat industrial substitutes. And it's not good. It's time for something new. And that's where masa chips come in. Masa has decided to revive real food by creating snacks how they used to be made, how they're supposed to be made. A masa chip has
• 25:00 - 25:30 just three simple ingredients, not 117, three. No seed oils, no artificial additives, just real delicious food. And I know this cuz we eat a ton of them in my house. And by the way, I feel great. So, you can still continue to snack, but you can do it in a healthy way with chips without feeling guilty about it. Masa chips are delicious. They taste how a tortilla chip is supposed to taste. But the thing is, you can hit them really, really hard, and I have, and not feel bloated or sluggish after. You feel like you've done something decent for
• 25:30 - 26:00 your body. You don't feel like you got a head injury or you don't feel filled with guilt. You feel light and energetic. It's the kind of snack your grandparents ate. Worth bringing back. So, you can go to masach chips.com. Masa is MASA, by the way. masa chips.com/tucker to start snacking. Get 25% off. We enjoy them. You will, too. Can I just ask you to pause for one second? So, um, you had a lot of evidence, it sounds like absolute evidence that Bin Laden was not in Afghanistan or Pakistan, but he was
• 26:00 - 26:30 supposedly ultimately killed. Not in Iraq. He was in Iran, but Iran was also in the crosshairs of the Bush administration. It was part of the so-called axis of evil at the time. People were talking about invading Iran then. Um, why would the Bush administration hide the fact that it wasn't the Bush administration? Huh? Let me explain to you. This is what Trump needs to understand. Um, it started under Clinton when the Clinton administration, Bill and Hillary
• 26:30 - 27:00 Clinton, who I have no respect for, were allowed to be themselves to be used so they could make money, tens of millions of dollars, hundreds of millions of dollars because they allowed people, unscrupulous people to control the agenda in Russia and around the world. And you've been going after some of this involving Russia. I can give you dozens of hard examples. I believe it. We've talked about this off camera, but I just want to get to continued. Who was hiding the fact that Bin Laden was in Iran and
• 27:00 - 27:30 why? Okay. It continued under um Bush Jr. Yep. Uh and um as I said, up until 2000, they wanted me to be chairman. All of a sudden, when I started questioning 9/11, all of a sudden the Bush people said, "Whoa." Yeah, I bet. John Cenounu after I was out of office who I had a lot of respect for was Bush's smart man. I was in his office and he they said this to me. He said, "You know, Congressman, you were a great member. Everyone respected you, but you made one
• 27:30 - 28:00 fundamental mistake." I said, "What was that, John?" He said, "When you come to this city, you're either on one rail or the other rail, and you went down the middle and took on both rails." I said, "Well, John, I didn't pledge allegiance to the Republican party." Yeah. I pledge allegiance to the Constitution. You guys were ecstatic. When I took on the Clintons, when I took on Sandy Burgerer, when I took on the scumbags and what they did with China and Russia, you were ecstatic. But then when I saw things happening at 9/11, all of us, he said, "Well, that's why you're not here." I said, "You know what, John?
• 28:00 - 28:30 So be it. It's not the end of my life. And one day I'll tell the story, John. One day I'll tell the story because that's what America needs to hear. any members of Congress who don't become duped by scumbags in the intelligence agency making money for themselves. And you know what, Tucker? I challenge them. I'll name them and I'll give their dollar amounts of where they're making money today. In the countries that we're at war with, they care about themselves and their power. They don't care about the lives of the kids that we send to
• 28:30 - 29:00 war. I saw it in Libya. I saw it in North Korea. I led delegations that were bipartisan to all of those places. They took it out on my daughter. So I I just want to get one more time to the question of why who was hiding the fact that Bin Laden was actually in Iran. Our intelligence agencies, they they have plausible deniability. In the end, I have 10 silver bullets, including two royal family members from two different royal families from two different countries, including in the end the
• 29:00 - 29:30 person that was in the room who was a knock for our government for 50 years. He's not from the US. He's become a friend of mine. He's been to my home. We've met dozens of times. And on one of my trips to the Middle East, he said to me, you know, he calls you my my dear, you were right. I said, about what? He said, about a lot of things, but you're right about Bin Laden. I said, what do you mean? He said, well, he was placed in Iran in Baluchistan. He said, I said, well, he said I said, you know, he said, yes, I know that. He said, I was in the
• 29:30 - 30:00 room when the deal was cut. So, the US has plausible deniability that they weren't in the room. Was the point to get to Iraq? The point was to um the the point was to manipulate to get our troops committed to go over to fight the battles in Afghanistan, Iraq, and that whole region of the world. Yes. And they had to have the justification to do that. I believe it. But in the end when 5 years ago and even Trump
• 30:00 - 30:30 doesn't know this I'm sure we killed someone that Trump took great credit for and I applaud him for it and he said we killed this guy Sulmani who that's right Sulammani was the guy the deal was cut with the deal was not cut with the Iranian government and we need to understand that and this is the heart of what we have to get to the Iranian people are not our enemy I wrote this book in 2005 Five, countdown to tear. It's all about Iran. It says that the people of Iran
• 30:30 - 31:00 are not our enemy. And this book was endorsed by Jim Wolsey with a three-page letter. Former CIA director, former CI director. This book was endorsed by Al Caravelli, Jack Caravelli, Gore CIA adviser. They both endorsed my book. The book was so popular that the people of Iran published it in Farsy. There it is. And they published the book without my approval. They published my book. It became a bestseller in Iran because it said, "You're not the enemy of the American people." Here's what happened, Tucker. When the Sha was in power, think
• 31:00 - 31:30 back. We were best friends with Iran. Of course, our intelligence people trained the Iranian intelligence people. We trained them. They were our people. When the radical Ayatollah and the Mullas took over Iran, they did not bring in a new intelligence service. They did not change the agency. The IRG stayed the same. The deal to place Bin Laden in Iran wasn't cut with the Iranian government. It was cut with Sulammani and that's why we killed him. Our intelligence agency has
• 31:30 - 32:00 tentacles around the world and they're not answering to anybody. And that's the problem right now. That's the problem Trump has. Yeah, he can cut off the security clearance of 51, but those that network extends far and wide around the world and they can play all the games they want in Ukraine, in other countries. And until we go after that, this is not going to stop. That's consistent, all consistent with what I've seen. I would say I figure that's not a crazy statement. That's the challenge that Trump has right now. I still think he's at risk. Last May, I
• 32:00 - 32:30 went on a TV show locally in the Philadelphia area and I said, "My greatest challenge is they're going to try to take Trump out." A month later, they they did the attack. You know, it goes back to when Trump first when I kept quiet because I couldn't trust any of the administrations after I left, including the Bush administration cuz Bush wasn't in control. And I can give you example after example of Bush not being in control. I knew who was in control. When Trump was going in, I met with Rudy Giuliani. I had two private dinners with him up in New York. I had not known Rudy that well. I said, "Rudy,
• 32:30 - 33:00 this is what's going to happen. The deep state's going to undermine Trump. They don't want him. They will undermine him by removing his ability to understand how they operate. Before he took office, they took out General Mike Flynn. Yep. When they took out Flynn, Trump was like a baby in the woods. And for four years, they used the Congress and they use their connections to derail this country. That's the problem that occurred in the first Trump four years. This time, I'm trying to get Trump to realize he's he's got a great start, but
• 33:00 - 33:30 the people around him don't know what they don't know. They don't have that historical ev understanding of what this is just didn't happen with Trump. I mean, they took me out in 2006. So, let's get to that. They took you out in 2006 and that's kind of where this conversation began. I I remember that very well and it was like there were pictures on TV. I worked then at CNN. There were pictures of, you know, FBI and their blue jackets outside your daughter's house and it's like Kurt Weldon corruption scandal. And then you
• 33:30 - 34:00 lost to Cestack. is sust former general and just like a he got demoted. He was a three star demoted to a two star. His wife worked on the Clinton security council. Uh she had intelligence ties. She still does. Uh name was I think Clark. Uh and so he and he was on the NC but he was like the ultimate deep stater. He doesn't live there now. He came into the district to run. He had been in the district and then after he lost he went back down to Virginia and all of a sudden I mean I remember all this really well thinking like well here's what happened. And then he got,
• 34:00 - 34:30 you know, massive funding from around the country. You know who ran his campaign? His his campaign was managed by the staff director of Sandy Ber's company. Sandy Berger sent his woman to run the Cestack campaign. Ah, and I I did a 1-hour floor speech about Sandy Burgerer calling him a traitor. Yeah. And we could talk about the I'd I'd like to I'm I'm just getting farfield once again and my my apologies for that. But okay, so to your daughter and the FBI raid, did you have warning like what?
• 34:30 - 35:00 tell us what happened. No advanced warning. Uh we, you know, we would have won the election. The polls were in October were showing that we were up by about six or eight points. All my elections have been landslides because I'm moderate Republican. And this one I would have become chairman of the committee. No doubts about that. Um, you know, for some reason the the the CESTAC campaign was maxed out every week in a TV buy, you know, and three weeks before my election, I get a call on a Monday morning that agents had appeared at my daughter's home at 7:00 a.m. And I
• 35:00 - 35:30 didn't know what's that all about. And so I immediately said, "Cancel the TV ads. My daughter's more important than some TV ads for a campaign." And I didn't know whether she might have done something wrong. I didn't think she would have. and and so we stopped the campaign. But something that I haven't talked about in the past, Tucker, the same time they raided my daughter's house, they raided a lawyer in my district who's a Democrat who um interestingly enough, uh they shut down his Philadelphia office. They brought dogs and helicopters and all to downtown
• 35:30 - 36:00 Philly same time. At the time they raided his office, he had been working for FBI counter intelligence against Russia for two years, but I had arranged two years earlier. I had arranged two years earlier under oath. So the counterintel people handling him went to his office and were sitting with him while these agents from DC come in and you had two sets of agents in the same office at the same time. And the counterintel people are saying don't answer any questions. We don't know what this is, but you're doing work for our
• 36:00 - 36:30 country. The other ones don't know why they're sent there. Their first question is, "Mr. Gallagher, isn't it true that you're related to Congressman Kurt Weldon?" And John starts laughing at them because uh Congressman Walden's wife's last name is the same name as mine and you're from the FBI. I know who told them that. Tucker, wait. So what? But what was the pretext for raiding her daughter's house? There was none. They never talked to her. So what was she charged with? What did she go? They never charged her. They never charged her with anything. They never talked to her. There was no
• 36:30 - 37:00 charge. So the FBI just shows up. Shows up, raids, takes boxes out, and then gives her the boxes back unopened. Still taped. Nothing. When did When did they give the boxes back? That was months later. After you'd lost. Yeah. And not only that, three months after the election, the annual fire dinner in Washington, which I started, 2,000 people attend, members of Congress, House and Senate, George Bush, the father, former CIA director, does a tribute to me, which you can I sent it to your staffer. You can play it. And he
• 37:00 - 37:30 says in the tribute, "Congressman Walden, you're the kind of leader that America needs. You're the kind of leader that leaves the country safer, stronger. Those aren't my words. Those are George Bush Senior's words to 2,000 people after they raided my daughter's house. After you'd already been neutralized, you were not going to be It was all about getting me out. So, did you So, the the raid comes, you must be completely conf she was totally devastated. Ruined
• 37:30 - 38:00 her life. What do How do you deal with that? I don't know. How do how do you deal? How do you deal with your kid? I'm probably going to find out if you if you want to if you want if you want to come after me, you know, and that's what I say to them. They're scumbags. Oh, I know. You scumbag. If you want to come after me, come after me publicly. But if you're going to hide and go do something behind somebody, which you do now, there are good people in the agency. But there are scumbags that work in our agencies, and I know them, and they're making money. They're milliondoll people, and they're million-dollar companies are
• 38:00 - 38:30 going to be exposed if it's the last thing I do. And you'll see the ties around the world to the million-dollar intel people who've made money off the backs of young American kids who have died in wars while they make money or their companies make money. And I'll give you example after example of that. In Russia, in Ukraine, around the world, in Libya, that's what's wrong. And until we understand that, it's not going to stop. And Donald Trump's people need to understand that we're not playing uh
• 38:30 - 39:00 tittly winks out in the schoolyard. We're playing with bad people. I agree. I I Yeah, as I've said, I've I've I've seen it up close, so I know that you're telling the truth. What they do to my family is outrageous. So So this happens and in the final month of a campaign with three weeks. Three weeks with this challenger who doesn't live in your district who all of a sudden has I think I'm remembering this correctly, a lot of his money came from California. All of it. Then we find out, Tucker, I'll give it to you. We get a memo. My staff does some digging. What's going on? And we
• 39:00 - 39:30 find a memo that was sent to my staff in September, a month before this, from the National Republican Congressional Committee to my campaign committee saying, "Hey, for some reason, your opponent just cut his TV by for one week in October by $500,000." The week was the week they raided my daughter's house. Yeah. Because he knew he wouldn't need it. So they told the Democrats the week they were going to raid my daughter's house. I believe it. Cuz they didn't need the advertising that week. But what's crazy
• 39:30 - 40:00 if if you think about it and by the way I should say of of Cestack who I always thought was just such a reptile but he had kind of like the perfect views. He was very liberal socially but on foreign policy questions he was just n national security state. He's a loser. Perfect national security state. Um he's an embarrassment and I'll say it publicly. He's an embarrassment. Oh I I could and what he did to my family I'll never forget. So but that's the Bush Justice Department. That's the Bush FBI. It's
• 40:00 - 40:30 the It's the And I wrote a letter to Mueller, which I'll give you was FBI director. Yes. I wrote a personal memo to him on LinkedIn right to his personal self and I said, "Mr. Mueller, I respect you personally for being a Marine, but you're a scumbag for what you did to my family." So, did you call over to the White House and say like, "What the hell is going on?" I called Carl Rove. He said, "Get a good lawyer." And I have no respect for Carl Rove. Well, no one does. And I'll tell you that story on another show. Wait, so but your daughter's house gets raided. She doesn't get charged with anything. The FBI never even got isn't talked to. Not Char doesn't even get talked to. No one.
• 40:30 - 41:00 And CNN where I'll admit it. I then worked. We You know the only person that defended me. Who? You're going to laugh. No, probably not. Joe Scarbor. I believe that. He was on my committee. Joe Scor defended me and said Congressman W will never do anything like this. And this stupid jerk reporter said, "Oh, Scarbor know what he's talking about." Joe Scarbor was the only one at that time who really publicly aggressively I I believe that and I knew Joe very well very well then and um he was on my
• 41:00 - 41:30 committee on he's not a stupid person by the way whatever Joe's many faults he's not dumb and he gets how politics works but he won't talk to me now of course not um okay so you call Carl Rove and you say like what the hell Carl Rove what is going on here and he just says get a good lawyer that was it yeah he's the same scumbag that when I told him that I told uh this uh company in Florida that was being harassed to hire a lobbyist. I told him to hire Bob Dole. And he started screaming at me on the phone. He said, "Who are you to tell
• 41:30 - 42:00 anybody to hire Bob Dole's law firm?" I said, "Bob Dole's a war hero. He's a credible person." He said, "Don't you know who his partner is?" I said, "I have no idea who his partner is." Well, his partner was Ian Richards from Texas. What does that have to do with somebody doing national security issues? Because Carl Ro was from Texas and his nemesis in Texas was Bob Dole's partner. He didn't want them to benefit. That's what he's like. That's exactly what he's like. He's a small fat man. There's no doubt about that. Um, very small. So, we're not positive that cryptocurrency is the future of finance, but we do know
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• 43:30 - 44:00 Trump's in power and the only thing they can do. They can kill me. Now, two of my friends were killed or I think they were killed. One was threatened by a guy that was running to be the head of the CIA. He got a call. This guy that was live was was in Florida, John Quirk, was career intelligence for the CIA and he helped me. He gave me all the internal stuff of what they were doing to try to they tried to portray me as a Russian spy of all this stupidity. Right. Been there. So, uh, right. So, uh, Quirk called me. He said, "You won't believe where I got a call from." He told me the guy's name. He said, "The guy said to
• 44:00 - 44:30 me, why are you helping Kurt Weldon?" And Jo Quirk said, "Because Kurt Welton's a patriot." The guy slammed down the phone. That guy's a multi-millionaire in New York right now. multi-millionaire. Get his money off the backs of the American people. What happened to your friend? You think he was murdered? I think he was given a uh they both had fastmoving cancer. And that's a typical uh process that the agency uses overseas when they want to get rid of somebody. I'm aware of that. Most people are not aware of that. Um but do do you know that to be true? That that is a I don't I don't I can't prove
• 44:30 - 45:00 it. No. But do you know that they both died suddenly? the the US government has the technology to absolutely absolutely infect people with fastmoving cancer. Absolutely. As they do with the you know in 1997 I did the first hearing on asymmetric threats. I was a chairman of the research committee and I focused on four threats. The and you can read about them. The first threat was the use of drones which nobody was using then. The second was cyber attacks which is now a big deal. The third was EMP. People don't even know what EMP is. I was the
• 45:00 - 45:30 leader of that. I wrote EMP legislation. And the fourth was cognitive warfare. People don't understand cognitive warfare. And today our intelligence agency's trying to pretend they don't know what it is. Like, oh, we don't know what that is because the the Russians have used it and the Chinese they called Havana syndrome, right? We know what it is. The directed energy weapons. Directed energy weapons. Um but you believe that um and the only reason I'm pushing on this is because I know for a fact that highly informed uh people in other countries with you know real intel services who are not crazy or
• 45:30 - 46:00 sophisticated take it as a matter of fact that it is possible to transmit fatal cancer um from one person to another or from a machine to a person and you and you know that that's true. I don't know that the details. I know the research that was being done when I was chairman of the oversight committee for research was very provocative and we need members of Congress that are unafraid to get fully immersed in understanding um what we're doing and why we're doing it. The problem with the members of Congress is that there are good members in both parties, but they
• 46:00 - 46:30 get staffers who have career goals and their career goal might be to go work at the Pentagon or go work for the agency. Yes. So, they get compromised midway through. You can't have that. You got to have people that understand their loyalty has got to be for the country and for what their original goal. And that's why it's so important that we and the ultimate goal here is to have this presidential commission on 9/11 to hold people accountable and to let the president appoint a commission that asks the questions of what really happened both intelligence- wise and with the
• 46:30 - 47:00 actual structure so that we understand and then we make those people accountable. Believe me, when we do that then you shake the system up. I agree with that and and um I think it's really important to begin declassifying a lot of things that the US government has done with our money in our name over the past 60 years. Um you know starting with the Kennedy assassination which the president you know has issued an executive order on January 23rd to declassified hasn't hasn't happened. Uh MLK, RFK, etc., etc. I think we should know what happened in the in Butler Township in July. But I
• 47:00 - 47:30 think the big the big story is 9/11 and everything. The reason is all those happened decades ago. And I agree with you. 9/11 is only 24 years ago. And I have all the information. I have the firefighters ready to go. I have the tapes of the firefighters and what they saw and heard. I have all the architects and engineers and all their 3,000 of them risking their careers. I have the lawyers. I have the families. Everybody's ready to go. All Trump has to do is name a new presidential commission. Let them do the
• 47:30 - 48:00 investigation. We'll give them all the material and then we'll show the country that we cannot we will not allow these people to to commit these kinds of outre they're not even unscrupulous. They're outrageous and scandalous and traous acts against our nation. Imagine planning to kill American people. I can't begin to think of that. Okay. So, um but you've also just said that two friends of yours died of fastmoving cancer. I don't know that. I Well, they died of cancer, right? But you think that the the people who are hiding the truth about 9/11 are capable of murder?
• 48:00 - 48:30 Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, I I guess that would be obvious since 3,000 people were murdered that day. Just like Libya, we we were the ones that caused Gaddafi's death because uh Hillary Clinton played a game over there and I I was the one that went over there during the war. Gaddafi asked me to come over. I took uh a Biden staffer and a Bush staffer and a film uh crew leader from uh ABC1 in New York, Larry Mnty, with me and a cameraman because I didn't want the CA to set me up. I hand carried a letter back from Gaddafi offering to resign. The US didn't want him to
• 48:30 - 49:00 resign. They wanted to kill him. Why? Because Gaddafi and I met him three times. I took Biden on my second trip to Libya, by the way. He went with me when I spoke to the whole country. At every meeting I had with Gaddafi, he wanted two things. He wanted to unite the African continent into into a group of nations economically like European stand go like the European economy. He wanted to base it on the gold standard. And the US and Europe didn't want that. And the other thing is they wanted control of his oil and they wanted control of his sovereign wealth. So Gaddafi had to go. That's outrageous and it's wrong. Yeah. But that I think sounds right to me. But
• 49:00 - 49:30 we've allowed so many of our kids to be drawn into conflicts to be killed. And these people doing this are they've never served in any capacity in our country. They've never been in the military. They've never served on a fire ground. And it's outrageous that they think they can get away with this and sit back and make all this money. It's outrageous. I couldn't agree more. So um what let's get to 911 itself and and you were so deeply involved in so many parts of this personally that it's I
• 49:30 - 50:00 think it's easy to go off on different tangents but just to the extent that you can describe what you know to be true you said don't want to speculate as to motive for example but what you know to be true what do you think the core truth of 9/11 September 11th 2001 is I I I don't at this point in time I have my own perceptions. I don't have something I can give 100% um I can't swear on, but I what I'm seeing bothers me to the core of my body
• 50:00 - 50:30 that 9/11 did not happen because a group of hijackers got control of some planes. First of all, I have confirmed that two of the hijackers that were on one of the planes in New York were working for the CIA. They were on the CIA payroll and that was confirmed to me by someone in writing from one of our agencies. And I have that letter. So, two of the people involved were actually working for the CIA in one of the planes. I know that. And they lost control of them and there were reprimands against those agency
• 50:30 - 51:00 people after the fact. Um, second, I know the intelligence. They tried three times to transfer the information about information that could have prevented 911. That's fact. To the Justice Department. And I have the name of the person that at the Justice Department they uh contacted and she was told to cancel the meetings. they couldn't have the meetings. Who who did that order come from? Who that's that that's what needs to be investigated. Okay. And then we have John Crane, the inspector general of the Pentagon, who went to the extent of issuing a uh request um for
• 51:00 - 51:30 whistleblower status because he was told to lie to the Congress and lie about pre 911 intelligence and able danger. And then we have general uh the the book by the general and his comments that he knew within seconds. None of this is in the 911 commission report. the 911 Commission report is a piece of garbage. Well, then you also have it and I don't I mean this is just a fact. I don't know what to make of it, but you have a guy called Alex Jones who's a broadcaster um who said that summer that the World Trade Centers are going to hit by planes
• 51:30 - 52:00 and a guy called Osama bin Laden is going to be blamed. He said that on tape with a time stamp. So, we know that that actually happened. That's not not making it up. It's not a conspiracy theory. He said that and it's like how would he know that? That's so far out of the realm of what anyone was thinking in Washington where I lived at the time that so then my question is okay if I'm Philip Zelico the guy running the 911 commission I'm calling Alex Jones immediately saying come on in under oath and we're going to find out how did you know that and instead the US government
• 52:00 - 52:30 the FBI in particular set about to destroy Alex Jones and and almost succeeded. I mean, they engineered a billion dollar judgment against him, etc., et. But they really have like tried to to to kill him for saying that. And it's like, if you wanted to get to the truth, why would you act that way? Why would you knock you out of Congress? At the time I of 9/11, I had been to the World Trade Center in 93. The governor of New York, Mario Cuomo, called my office, talked to me personally, thanked me for coming up. He watched my 1-hour presentation. Uh, I was back up there
• 52:30 - 53:00 with Ray Downey. I brought Ray Downy's widow and five kids down in my district after 911 to honor him as a hero. Um I u I was up all during the 911 incident at ground zero and um I did everything I could to and I felt responsible. Do you know the 911 commission would not let me testify before the commission. Now I'm a firefighter. I'm a fire chief. I'm a state fire instructor. I spent my whole career helping protect people from disasters. the 911 commission, even though my experience as a member of
• 53:00 - 53:30 Congress, vice chairman of defense and homeland security, would not call me to testify, would not call me to go in and speak before the N because they knew what I would say. So when the commission said it's going to issue its report, which was when pardon interrupt, what year was that? It was when the report was released. I think it was 2005. So what I did, the the report was being released in the ways and means room of the cannon building. I went over. I sat in the front row to be the first one. Lee Hamilton and Tom Kane were up there. Good people. I don't blame them. It
• 53:30 - 54:00 wasn't them. It was the staffers that controlled this. It wasn't the commissioner. Zelico guy. That's right. Zelico and Gerellic and Deer Snell. Deer Snell was a staffer working for them. Jamie Gerellic who was a Clinton DOJ appointee who wrote the firewall memo that said you can't transfer military intelligence to civilian law enforcement. I think Bill Crystal's cousin too, unless I'm misremembering. Maybe that's the case. So I sat in the front row and I said, "Lee, why did you not allow me to testify?" And he said to me, "Well, Congressman, you know, we had a lot of people that wanted to testify. Now, I'm the representative of all the
• 54:00 - 54:30 firefighters in the country. I'm the point person for the firefighters. I'm a firefighter and a fire chief. I had been at the trade center in ' 93. I had been there in 911 and they would not let me testify because they didn't want to hear what I had to say." What would you have said? I would have said that is that we caused this. What do you mean with the intelligence? They I have the evidence that we we could have stopped this. Not me. Louisie Free said that based upon what I came out with, Louis Free's op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, which I can give you a copy of, said the the 911 commission was an incomplete
• 54:30 - 55:00 investigation. And he also on Good Morning American said the same thing. They tried to blame Louis Free because Louis Free had left uh the FBI the year before 911 happened. So, he was their scapegoat. And I to this day, I think Louis very upset over that. Yeah. Um Yeah, I believe that. So the only way around this is to have a new for the firefighters of America and for our country to have an independent commission be appointed and give that commission full authority to take this wherever it goes including the end result and the end result may be very
• 55:00 - 55:30 ugly. I I there's a sense in which that's pretty obvious. I mean like why why is anything from 911 still classified? It's our country. It happened to 3,000 of our fellow Americans. We have an absolute right to know what happened. There's not even a question. Um, and it was almost 25 years ago, so like spare me your lectures about national security. But can I ask you this? So, by the way, I never questioned anything about 911 and I actively attacked people who did. Um, I'm ashamed of that, but that's a fact. I did it on tape more than once cuz my
• 55:30 - 56:00 feeling was, well, you know, like that's divisive or whatever. I was a child and an idiot. Um, but the what began to make me wonder and I have no idea what happened to 9/11, but it's very clear that there's a lot of lying around it was the collapse of building 7 and all the wackos would be like building 7, building 7. I'd be like, shut up, wackos. And then if you just sort of look at it, you're like, well, that is very weird, actually. No plane hit that building. And it does this happen a lot when buildings catch fire? Right. Okay. Besides being a
• 56:00 - 56:30 firefighter, I work for the INA, largest insurance company in North America. I was responsible for training their fire protection arson people for 18 years. That doesn't happen. You never have a 47story building just collapse. Uh which this is. Even Donald Trump I have a tape of him speaking on 911 and Donald Trump which I'll give you a copy. I've seen it in his own words says that's controlled demolition. Yeah. I mean it it certainly looks that way. I mean look I don't know. See here's what they did. They brought in NIST. They brought in NIST to do a report. Can you tell us what NIST is? NIST is the uh the uh National
• 56:30 - 57:00 Institute for Standards and Technology to do an assessment. Now, they're like any other federal agency, and there are good people there, but there are people that want their jobs and want their careers, and they're not going to rock the boat. And they came out with a report that's hogwash. The University of Alaska, which is an very uh credible engineering department, did a full reputation of the NIST report, saying it's full with gaps and full with inaccuracies and areas where they did not get the right information. Let me just say this to you. Um, people say,
• 57:00 - 57:30 "Well, you can't question NIST." NIST always does the right thing. When I went to Congress, Tucker, in my first term, I'm two doors from the speaker's office. Speaker Jim Wright, his office catches on fire at 7:00 at night as a firefighter. I go up, punch the door open, get down on my hands and knees, crawl in, the kitchen's fully involved. This is all documented. You can read about it. And um, said to my staffer, "Go get me the portable extinguishers." Three of the five weren't charged. I said, "Go get me the hose in the hose station." There was no host in the host station. I come back out and I say, "We
• 57:30 - 58:00 got to evacuate the building." Now, I'm in my first term. It's a sevenstory building above ground. No sprinklers, no detectors, no alarms. Here is the building, one of the seven six office buildings holding the House and the Senate in violation of every building code and fire code in America. Now, I'm an expert on NFPA 101, the life safety code, and the BOCA codes. this building. If NIST did its job, NIS would have said if you're going to be in Congress, you're going to work in a building where
• 58:00 - 58:30 your constituents who are blind and handicapped are not going to feel threatened. Seven stories above ground. No alarm system, no detection system. So, a fire is occurring and the police are running through the building yelling, "Fire, get out." That's the You cannot trust the federal agencies. Obviously, I of course that's obvious now. But tell us like from an engineering perspective like what you had three buildings come down sort of
• 58:30 - 59:00 collapse in on themselves implode it looked like and a lot of people have said many credible non-crazy people have said that was controlled demolition was it? Well when I got up there uh the day after uh I I I had been at the trade center at the restaurant on the top several times. There's no way those two buildings could have collapsed into what they were there. Something had to happen. Was that obvious to you immediately? Yeah, absolutely. Because, you know, and they were looking for other firefighters like
• 59:00 - 59:30 Ray Downey and the 342 others that were trapped and eventually vaporized. So, something happened where there was there's a there's a a high explosive material, I think it's called fermite, uh that is used to explode metal and steel uh and vaporize it. That tests were never done on that. There were some limited tests that found that there was some evidence of that. But that the whole thing never was subjected the kind of investigation that would be warranted when 3,000 people die. I mean, when you have 3,000 people die, you would think
• 59:30 - 60:00 it would be a full massive investigation, not going after 9/11, obviously, but what happened to the buildings and why' they come down? They're the only high-rise buildings in the world that have ever come down from an airplane hitting them. And those buildings, I read the report from the architect who designed them. They were designed to withstand an airplane hitting the building and standing tall. And especially building seven, which had no plane hit it, right? No plane hit it. And uh the building just you can see it
• 60:00 - 60:30 when you watch it on TV, it just imploded straight down. And what really got me again was the Oral Palmer that the Italian battalion chief arising on the Well, tell tell us who he was. What is Okay. Or Oreo Palmer was one of the most inspirational battalion chiefs in New York. FDNY. FDNY who immediately in very good shape. Had a family, a couple of kids. Went into the building as soon as they got on the scene. Took the elevator up to the 40th floor. Got off the elevator and you could hear him on the comm system say, "I'm here 40th
• 60:30 - 61:00 floor. We're going to start walking up the stairwells." Every five floors he radios back to communication. I'm on the 50th floor. Everything's okay. We're on floor 60. Everything's okay. He's going up every so many floors. He gives a report. He reaches the 78th floor, the floor of impact. He comes out of the stair tower and as clear as you listening to me here, and I know I get passionate and I apologize to your listeners for that. He says, "We're on floor 78, the floor of impact. We've got
• 61:00 - 61:30 two fires and we can handle them." One minute later, the whole building collapses. That's not normal. That is not acceptable. That is not what happened. And this is on tape. It's on tape. The film is called uh Bravo 7. And if your viewers want it, if they contact you, I'll give it to you. It's free. It was produced not by Hollywood. It was produced by firefighters. And it includes the footage, including the firefighter uh v the footage of the
• 61:30 - 62:00 firefighter communication between him and the command center. You can hear him as plain as day saying, "I'm on the impact floor, floor 78. We have two fires here. We can control them." And he's comfortable. He's not worrying about the building collapsing. He just walked up 38 floors and the whole building collapses. Tucker, it's a big lie. Can Can I like What? Okay, two things. What percentage of firefighters who were there that day are knowledgeable about building fires agree
• 62:00 - 62:30 with you on this? Uh the I have the utmost respect for the fire department of New York when I uh wrote the manuscript Able Danger, which I didn't publish because my lawyer said they would kill me back in 2006. I never published it. I'm going to publish it this year. Last summer in July, I took a copy up a draft copy of the manuscript and I met for two hours with John Espazito. He's the chief. He's a great man. Have total respect for him. And John knows me. And I said, "John, you know my respect for the department." and
• 62:30 - 63:00 him. I said, "Yes, Congressman, we know that." I said, "I want to give you this copy of my manuscript, and I'm signing it in honor of Ray Downey for you to keep in your archives." This is what really happened. He took it. Uh I felt I owed it to the Fire Department of New York and their members. There has been this subtle pressure to the firefighters and to the officers not to talk for obvious reasons. You you know what this involves politically. And look what happened to the chief of LA. The female chief of LA comes out and says that the
• 63:00 - 63:30 resources were taken away from her for the field forest fires. And what does the mayor do? She fires her. That was just a few weeks ago. The firefighters are always a scapegoat. That's why Tucker, I'm done with this. If it's the last thing I do, firefighters are not going to be taken for granted anymore. We're going to rise up. We're going to shake the country to its roots. Firefighters are not secondass citizens. Well, they should certainly shouldn't be. But if they talk, they'll they'll be they'll get sidelined. They'll be called crazies. Even though they heard explosions, they can't be they can't be
• 63:30 - 64:00 allowed to say that they heard explosions. Yeah, absolutely. It's on tape. We have people coming out of the buildings that heard explosions. We have film footage of people that uh talked to Fox News that was taken off the air and then now it was brought back by X. That's all available. That's why you need a commission to go back and look at all the Wait, so there are and pardon my ignorance um but there are people on tape saying I heard explosions. Yes, absolutely 100%. Multiple people. So the counter to this which is also kind of
• 64:00 - 64:30 rooted in common sense is wow that would require a lot of people to be involved in a vast conspiracy and to stay silent for 24 years and that's just impossible because people talk. Not a lot of people not a lot of people would involve a very very precise action of planning uh and you know um taking steps to control the situation. Um and um I again I I have no firsthand evidence of this. That's why this is the most important thing. If
• 64:30 - 65:00 there's one thing that you have the ability to do because you're very well respected and deservedly so, you coming out and showing that report, that request put out by the firefighters of America and by the people who are excuse me for doing that. No problem. The people who are the most impacted by this. Yes, I've helped them now and I'm not there's no money in this for me. I'm everything I'm doing bono pro bono a new presidential commission. There was no presidential commission before. This
• 65:00 - 65:30 would be the first presidential commission. We recommend you take this moment to do what we're about to do, which is enjoy an ALP. [Music] Wait, can I ask though? if we find out. I mean, one of the reasons I became so upset was actually an Alex Jones guy years ago um at some campaign event I was covering, you know, 9/11 building 7. I
• 65:30 - 66:00 was like, "Shut up, asshole." You know, I don't no one wants to hear that. And I was being a child and ignorant as I have admitted many times. And I was wrong because you should always be for the truth no matter what. On the other hand, I think my instinct was informed by the feeling that wow, if we find out that US government officials or foreign officials or or anybody is hiding the truth about an event that murdered 3,000 America, totally innocent people. Like that's how could your country continue
• 66:00 - 66:30 if you found out? It would be almost as bad as if there were people in our country who planned to allow Bin Laden to stay in Iran while we sent uh kids to Afghanistan and 2500 came back in body bags. It would be almost as bad. No, you're right. No, you're right, Tucker. The American people don't understand. I was in decisions as vice chairman of the committee where I heard conversations talk about acceptable casualties. There are no acceptable casualties. If I have a son or a daughter and I'm the youngest
• 66:30 - 67:00 of nine, my brothers and sisters served in every branch of the military. None of them would be acceptable casualties. And if we had people that made the decision that we can afford to get people over in Afghanistan knowing that several thousand are going to come back dead, if there's no, we've got to find an alternative to that. And if we didn't do it there, then we shouldn't do it in the US. Do I think 911 is going to be the biggest scandal in our lifetime and beyond? Yes, I think
• 67:00 - 67:30 it's going to be the biggest scandal in the history of America because it occurred on US soil and because it is so recent that we have re relevant information still available. That's right. We have recorded information. We have personal information. Once people realize they can talk and not be afraid of being killed or not being afraid of being ostracized. And you know what gets me is reporters who call people uh um you know conspiracy theorists. Well,
• 67:30 - 68:00 that's all the agency does. They're the ones that create the conspiracies. I'm aware. I mean, cut me a break. I'm aware. They have whole courses for their agents on how to make people look like they're conspiracy theorist and the propaganda operations designed to discredit. Exactly. Right. And so all we want is the truth. Of course. So, Trump, appoint people of impeccable integrity. Let them study the facts. I will testify under oath everything I know about intelligence. Let these 3,000 architects who are risking their careers, making nothing. Let them testify under oath.
• 68:00 - 68:30 So, let me ask you a very dark question. And I don't even know if I want the answer, but um flight 93 which crashed in your state in Shanksville, Pennsylvania um became a kind of and you feel obviously so crushed for the people Todd Beamer and the rest on that flight and they sound like they acted bravely and all that but you know Dick Cheney the President Bush was hiding at off at Air Force Base refused to come back to DC because of cowardice and so Cheney was kind of running everything on that day on September 11th and he said it's
• 68:30 - 69:00 been reported you know he gave the orders to shoot down that plane But then they told us, "No, it wasn't shot down. The hijackers were under assault by the passengers and so they drove it into the ground." Do you think that plane was shot down by the US government? I I don't have any evidence of that, but I I've seen other speculation that that plane may have been heading for the Chicago Tower and if it wasn't for the people on the plane that diverted it and turned it around, that's where it was heading. For sure. Well, clearly it was it was that plane was going to be used to kill Americans. No doubt. and I lost a constituent that was a pilot on one of the planes,
• 69:00 - 69:30 Michael Horox, who went to Westchester, the same school I went to. And I immediately contacted his widow and raised the funds to build a playground in his honor at the elementary school for his kids. So, I felt it personally. the the this story is is a story that America has to come to grips with this because if there's any one story that's going to determine whether or not we are a country of what we all claim to be then as painful as it is we have to learn the lessons from that if we don't
• 69:30 - 70:00 and we allow these people that were involved in these coverups and in my case I the people I'm talking about are covering up without any hesitation the intelligence side of If we don't do that, then this is just inviting this to happen again and again, right? And it's and it's going to continue. You can't have that in a country like ours. We're supposed to be the symbol around the world. And we get laughed at by people. The people in Libya know what we did and why we did Gaddafi. North Korea, we had a solution for North Korea that Coen Pal endorsed
• 70:00 - 70:30 that I worked on uh with with a bipartisan delegation that the White House under Bush didn't want. And and look at now North Korea is threatening an attack. all of these things we create and if the American people don't have access to know the truth, then we're not really what we say we are. Who are the darkest actors in the Bush administration, do you think? I I I can't name anyone. I mean, Sandy Burger, in my opinion, should have been tried for treason. So Sandy Ber was I agree. Well, he committed treason, so he should have been he's passed now. I knew him.
• 70:30 - 71:00 Um he was the national security adviser for Bill Clinton. So tell us tell us you've made reference to him for those who don't remember or getting their history from Wikipedia. Uh who is Sandy Burgerer and and why do you think he committed treason? And Wikipedia by the way has no credibility. They are basically it's a controlled u process to manipulate and and you you don't really know that until I know it just because you know you get older and like there are some things on Wikipedia it's like wait I was there I I know that
• 71:00 - 71:30 that's not true things about Sandy Sandy. Sandy Burgerer was when this all started. He was security adviser for Clinton in the9s and as a member of the Cox Commission, which was a formal commission established by the Congress made up of nine members headed by Congressman Chris Cox of California. That's right. Five Republicans, four Democrats, all committee chairs except me. I was appointed by N. And we spent six months behind closed doors looking at all the data about why China stole our technology. And what we ended up with was a nine to zero vote. our
• 71:30 - 72:00 security was severely harmed by China's acquisition of technology and Chris Cox won a 9 to zero vote. I went beyond that and working with the people that I had befriended that were doing the able danger stuff. I said, "Why did this happen?" And they produced charts for me, which I have given to you to show the process that China established. And China did what we do. We try to spy other countries. That's part of the game. That's legitimate. But if you get caught by that, that's your fault. China set up a process using money
• 72:00 - 72:30 through their uh central military commission, the people's liberation army to set up front companies to deliberately acquire selected technology in the US by using campaign donations primarily to the Clinton campaign in the mid '90s. The charts show that you have those charts. Those donations resulted in waiverss of arms control agreements. those uh donations involved in waiverss of controls over technology and all the technologies are listed. Uh those charts show that four Chinese nationals who had
• 72:30 - 73:00 no citizenship rights here gained access to the White House in some cases 49 times in one year that were raising money for the Democratic National Party and Clinton. All of that was orchestrated by Sandy Burgerer politically. In the end, what happened was we basically empowered China to acquire our technology by allowing them to use campaign donations. And the best example I can give you of this is there was a very specific uh uh inquiry done
• 73:00 - 73:30 by the Justice Department of the Laurel Corporation in California. Laurel Corporation, very capable um uh space company and technology company uh had been caught transferring stage separation technology to China. stage separation technology allows you to have a multi-stage missile to go long distances which is required for intercontinental and China didn't have that they didn't have that capability so they got it so LA Corporation was caught transferring that it's a violation so
• 73:30 - 74:00 the justice department this is public information was about ready to indict the CEO Bernie Schwarz Bernie Schwarz went to Sandy Burgerer and received this is public information a retroactive presidential waiver, retroactive presidential waiver. The technology had already been transferred. Now they get the waiver that it's okay. And that year, Bernie Schwarz becomes one of the single biggest donors in the history of the Democrat party. I put all the donations
• 74:00 - 74:30 in the congressional record. So anyone can go back in the congressional record to that time period and look for my speech and you'll see the donations of Sandy Burgerer to the Democrat National Party and Al Gore and and Bill Clinton while we were giving our technology. So China didn't steal it. They outsmarted us. That's our fault, not their fault. Right? They bribed our officials. They So that's the first thing with Sandy Burgerer. Ben Sandy Burgerer was involved in the run-up to 9/11 and he
• 74:30 - 75:00 was uh still Clinton's security adviser. He was uh told he had to appear before the 911 commission. So two weeks before he was to appear, he gets permission to go to the National Archives uh in Washington and he goes up to the top floor in a special room. It's a big empty room and he didn't realize he was on camera. They bring out documents that he asked to see before his testimony. He said it was to refresh his memory. He ends up stealing those documents in a case that many remember and laugh about. He stuffs the documents in his underwear
• 75:00 - 75:30 and his socks and his shirt pocket. You you've seen the story and it's all true. He leaves the archives with those national security archives. All pre 911 intelligence. And by the way, none of this is in a 911 commission report. None of it. That's not mentioned. No. He leaves the archives. Do we know what those documents were? Well, I'll tell what happened. He gets caught. The inspector general for the archives contacts Burger and said, "Mr. Burgerer, did you take anything while you're in the archives?" And he says, "No, that's
• 75:30 - 76:00 a felony. He lied to a federal agent." He then hires one of Clinton's personal lawyers. That lawyer cuts a plea bargain. Sandy Burgerer pleads guilty to 11 felonies, lying to a federal agent, stealing five documents, and destroying five documents. The plea bargain he gets is one misdemeanor. No jail time. He loses a security clearance for one year. In the August before my election loss, I told my staff, "I want to go to the
• 76:00 - 76:30 archives to see copies what we think Burger stole." The CIA called my office and said, "Tell your boss that's very sensitive information." Like, what do you have to tell me what I what my job is? I know what my job is. I don't need to be reminded by somebody from some agency. So, I went there. The documents were all regarding pre 911 intelligence. The mill millennium afteraction report which was prepared by John Ashccraftoft was part of the documents that they didn't want the 911 commission to have. Sandy Berger stole those documents. If
• 76:30 - 77:00 you stole documents that are in the National Archives, you'd be in jail right now. Sandy Berger got away with it. One felony. He leaves the administration of Clinton and he forms a company. Guess what the company's called? Stonebridge. Then he hires Maline Albbright, Stonebridge Albbright. And what do they do? They represent Chinese corporations. Disgusting people. Both now gone. Both now gone. Um, do we know what was in those five documents? Well, I Well, I went down there. I looked at what we
• 77:00 - 77:30 think he stole was Paul pre 911 intelligence suggesting that suggesting that taken action. Yeah. Well, we know that Clinton could have taken out Bin Laden in the base camps many times. I mean, all of this and there's much more intrigue that I don't know about. That's why it needs a thorough investigation, not of staffers, not of hacks, but of people of intellect and people who are willing to put the country first. That's why Trump needs to convene a commission. This is all so heavy that um you know, you wonder who
• 77:30 - 78:00 would take that job. Yeah, I have people who will take it. I have firefighters who will take it, fire engineers, I have people will surprise you that will take the job. That would take true courage. No one even mentions declassifying 9/11. I mean, it's like, oh, the Kennedy assassination UAPs, I mean, I'm all for I'm all for disclosure because we own the government. We're shareholders. We're not slaves. So, that's my view. I always push for disclosure and I really mean it. But on 911, I don't even know anyone who wants
• 78:00 - 78:30 I do, but I don't know anybody else other than you who really wants full disclosure because it's like you can feel it glowing. You just feel like I don't know what that is, but that's really scary. You know why everybody in Washington gets caught up with their with their careers, with their consulting fees, with their um you know, I'm done with that. You know, I'm still paying the mortgage on my house. Actually, yeah, absolutely paying the mortgage on my house. At what age? 77. Amazing. Yeah. My my wife's a nurse, you know. We don't So, you didn't get rich
• 78:30 - 79:00 in Congress. No, I did not get I didn't I don't know how I don't know how Biden and Obama Obama was nothing in the Senate. How do you make $88 million uh in the Senate when you don't have a job? And and Biden, who I grew up with and was a friend with, I mean, no, our kids went to school together. How does he have multiple houses at the beach and and you know, I I don't need I don't need wealth. I don't need wealth to be successful. And that's not my gonna be my legacy. But the there are people and it makes me sick to my stomach because
• 79:00 - 79:30 I'd like to name them all right now. Tucker. Go ahead. Well, I I have them down. You know, my partners, Judge Sullivan, very distinguished. Um the former deputy director of the FBI, Buck Rall. Um Jim Wolsey, former deputy former head of the CIA. Um Chuck Brooks, uh who you got a note from, uh former uh top guy at homeland security. uh Admiral Jay Cohen who was head of research, they all know what I know and a lot more people. Uh I had lunch with Jim Jones
• 79:30 - 80:00 twice last year, former security adviser to Obama. Um I don't want to upend their careers. I don't want to cost them money, but America America needs to know the truth. But without naming specific names, um I'm familiar with every person that you just mentioned and I would say from my impression having lived in DC for 40 years, those are good guys. I think honest people. Yeah. Um but without naming anybody like people who and those are all very highly informed people like actually for real not not No they're all real. Oh yeah yeah yeah for real. Of that of those
• 80:00 - 80:30 kind of people how many that you know think ah this is not right the 911 all of them. But they're not going to come out but everyone kind of knows they're not going to be the lead person to come out and take it on. And many people say you know Kurt you're crazy you know you're of course well that's how they try to discredit your description. The only reason that I mean I've never done a 911 show, not a single one really that I know. Maybe one in 30 years, 20 well now 24 years. But the only reason that I wanted to talk to you specifically is
• 80:30 - 81:00 because I was there and so I know how much you know and you're not a fake person at all. You're like right at the center of it. So I think you have complete credibility on this topic. And I think it's pretty hard to dismiss you as a wacko. If you're a wacko, then why are you going to take over the Armed Services Committee? Why would Donald Rumsfeld endorse me for the arm service? And if you're still paying your mortgage at 77, you clearly weren't ripping anybody off. I have no secret bank account. Clearly. Um, so I do think you've got a lot of credibility, but it's just interesting.
• 81:00 - 81:30 You're obviously very focused on this. The people, just to restate, the people that you talk to who are in similar positions of authority who would have access to in, you know, real intel on this, they all think that the 91, they all think the 911 report was just silly cover up. They think that there's a lot more to what happened than what's being told. The firefighters think the same. But a firefighter who's doing their, you know, the key thing and why I devote my life to firefighters, they're the most powerful people in the country. They're
• 81:30 - 82:00 not driven by power nor money. But when I organized them um back in 1987 and the fire caucus became the largest in the Congress, I said, "These are the people that make America work." Of course. I mean, they're the people that not just fight the fires and disasters. They're the people. It's where you vote on election day. Of course, it's where you hold the Boy Scout and Girl Scout meeting room. And there are 50,000 stations run by 30,000 departments and 85% of them are volunteers. Do you know next year as we celebrate the 250th anniversary of America, the fire service
• 82:00 - 82:30 will be 290 years old. Yeah. The first fire department was formed by Ben Franklin in Philadelphia in 1736. It didn't take a government to get people to come together to protect each other. It's older than America and the 50,000 departments are in every town, every village. They're the heart and soul of our nation. They're the backbone of our country. I know that you and that's what I'm telling Trump. If you ignite that group of people, you don't need to have MAGA people alone. You have America then because in every poll, firefighters are
• 82:30 - 83:00 98% supported. They're the only ones everyone likes. I totally agree because they're not driven by power nor money. And that's why firefighters don't want to get involved in a political battle. Even if they know they're being shortchanged, even if they know their loved one was killed when they shouldn't have been killed, they keep quiet. Well, I'm not going to keep quiet. I'm their voice and I'm going to speak out. So, let me ask you one final question for people who've made it this far in the interview. And and I should just I want
• 83:00 - 83:30 to say for the record, I think you've been really restrained. You haven't speculated on really anything other than things. You you said, "I saw this. I know this to be true." But you haven't given us some complex theory of why this happened. I I can't I won't. Right. Um but for people who are are thinking, "Wow, this is a little more serious than I realized and I want to know more and clearly Wikipedia is a filter, not a way to actually understand history." Um what should people what responsible credible
• 83:30 - 84:00 accounts of 9/11 would you recommend people read? Like where do you get closer to the truth? There there is no one single account that I have seen. I would suggest and and they can go on the I'm not on social media except on LinkedIn. Uh and if you go to my LinkedIn, I'll send you a copy of uh Bravo 7. Bravo 7 is a film one hour long done by firefighters, not done by Hollywood. And by the way, my my film based on my book's coming out next year. And all the proceeds of my film
• 84:00 - 84:30 Firefight are going to firefighters. So nobody can say he's going to make a profit off that. You'll still be paying your mortgage. My Hollywood film is the the proceeds are going to firefighters and it's about my book. But Bravo 7 gives you the story of what really happened from the eyes of a firefighter and then it has the audio comments of Oreo Palmer. And if you're a human being and you listen to that brave firefighter with two kids, I think two or three kids, who's risking his life
• 84:30 - 85:00 after he went up 40 floors in the elevator, climbing up 38 floors with his team, arriving on the floor of impact and saying, "I can handle it." And if we let him die there like it was just some random thing, then we're not human beings of decency. I agree. We owe Oreo Palmer. We owe Ray Downey. Ray Downey told us 93, eight years earlier, this is going to happen again. Ray Downey told us in the Gilmore Commission we needed
• 85:00 - 85:30 to have this fusion center. We allowed unnamed scumbags in the CIA to block us from having a fusion center. We allowed unnamed scumbags in the agencies to block transferring the information that Scott Philpot and Tony Schaefer and Eileen Pricer and Eric Kleinmith had that they tried to transfer to the Justice Department. They also had information the be before the attack on USS Cole when they ruined the career of uh of Kirk Lipole, the commander of the
• 85:30 - 86:00 coal and I defended him. If we're going to truly be a country that really cares about other people and what we're doing, then we have to live up to that. And how can you send your kid to war or combat and all this crap about giving them a home and a place to live and help? Well, great. Let's do it up front. Let's prevent them from needing a home. Let's prevent them from needing health care. Let's prevent them from having to to be put in a in a shelter someplace. Let's focus on the veteran before they become disabled. Let's focus on the firefighter
• 86:00 - 86:30 before they die. But see, the media the media and the intel deep likes to make it look like, well, we got all these charities out there. These charities allow us to give money like we really care about them. Caring about them after they're dead is not the same as preventing them from dying. And that's what this is about. preventing him from dying. And I'm not going to stop until we until we take the necessary steps to never let this happen again. I'm grateful uh for your determination. And the last thing I'll say is I think when you give up the love of money, you you
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