Steven Greer: “UFO Secrets Are Held By A Global Cabal”

Summary

Steven Greer discusses the existence of a global cabal that allegedly holds UFO secrets, potentially hindering technological and societal progress. He talks about his interactions with various military and intelligence officials, and emphasizes the need for transparency and disclosure to harness supposed advanced technologies for the benefit of humanity. Greer calls for peaceful contact with extraterrestrial beings and warns against the use of fear to control public perception. The conversation includes discussions on historical events, alleged government cover-ups, and the potential shift towards a future of peace and technological advancement.

Highlights

• Greer discusses weapons making a hydrogen bomb look trivial. 🔥
• He mentions meeting individuals involved in alien-like abductions. 👽
• Greer warns against black budget embezzlement and treasonous activities. 💼
• He describes making contact with extraterrestrials in a peaceful manner. 🌌
• Plans for executive orders to protect whistleblowers are in consideration. 📜
• Greer addresses his controversial status and dedication to his mission. 🧐
• He calls for the release of technologies that could change the world. 💡

Key Takeaways

• Steven Greer claims a global cabal holds UFO secrets, hindering technological progress. 🤔
• Greer emphasizes peaceful contact with extraterrestrial beings to avoid fear-based control. 🕊️
• Alleged government cover-ups and historical events suggest a need for full disclosure. 🛸
• Disclosure of advanced technologies could lead to energy independence and end poverty. 🔋
• Greer is unwavering in his mission to reveal the truth, despite controversy and risks. 🛡️

Overview

In a compelling discussion, Steven Greer delves into the clandestine world of UFOs, claiming a global cabal retains critical secrets that could revolutionize technology as we know it. Greer shares anecdotes from encounters with high-level officials and whistleblowers, highlighting the danger and intrigue surrounding the extraterrestrial phenomena. He passionately argues for transparency, asserting that only through open disclosure can humanity unlock the potential of advanced technologies once thought to be mere science fiction.

The conversation navigates through historic potential cover-ups, government conspiracies, and the continual repression of transformative knowledge. Greer believes these advancements could eradicate energy dependence and poverty, creating a domino effect of societal upliftment. He champions the notion that humans and extraterrestrials can coexist peacefully, urging for sincere contact and cooperation instead of fear-driven narratives perpetuated by shadowy entities.

Greer's commitment to unveiling the truth, despite facing significant controversy and potential threats, underscores the urgency and significance he places on these revelations. As he calls for executive measures to protect those willing to shed light on these secrets, Greer remains hopeful for a future where transparency prevails, and technological marvels can be shared for the good of all humanity.

Chapters

• 00:00 - 03:30: Introduction by Steven Greer In the introduction, Steven Greer discusses the existence of powerful weapons that are far more devastating than hydrogen bombs, framing these as part of the world's largest criminal corrupt organization. He touches on themes of corruption, stating that most people have a price, whether it be through blackmail, threats, money, or position. Despite frequent interruptions, he insists on the importance of sharing these insights, highlighting the controversial nature of his information and perspectives.
• 03:30 - 07:30: High-tech secrets and open-sourcing The chapter discusses high-tech innovations confined within a box, capable of revolutionizing energy independence for homes, cars, factories, and countries, eliminating pollution and poverty. The speaker warns profiteers that these technologies will be open-sourced. The speaker reflects on their journey, starting at age 35, when they mistook mysterious phenomena for alien activity, only to learn from insiders that some were piloted by humans.
• 07:30 - 12:00: False alien threats and history of UFO disclosures In this chapter, the discussion revolves around false alien threats and the historical context of UFO disclosures. It is suggested that certain individuals, who made themselves appear as aliens for abduction purposes, are beginning to feel remorseful and need to disclose the truth. There's a strong call for these individuals, including those in power or publicly involved, to be held accountable and face legal consequences for their actions against the United States.
• 12:00 - 18:00: Historical encounters and government activity This chapter delves into the historical encounters and government activities surrounding UFOs, with a focus on the influence and work of Dr. Steven Greer. A former medical doctor turned UFO researcher, Dr. Greer has been a pivotal figure in modern UFO disclosure. His contributions, particularly through the Disclosure Project archive, have been instrumental in bringing to light significant information and whistleblower testimonies.
• 18:00 - 24:00: Classified technologies and global implications The chapter discusses the controversial figure Dr. Greer, known for gathering more eyewitness accounts on UFOs than anyone else. The narrator underscores the importance of discerning valuable information from Greer's eccentric behavior. Despite warnings against interviewing him due to his unconventional methods, the author emphasizes that engaging with him on a podcast does not equate to endorsing all of Greer's beliefs. The chapter highlights the cautionary approach needed when dealing with polarizing figures in the realm of classified technologies and the broad implications on global understanding.
• 24:00 - 30:00: Political efforts for disclosure and protection The chapter titled 'Political efforts for disclosure and protection' features Dr. Greer, who critiques many figures in the UFO community with ad hominem attacks. The narrator acknowledges that attempting to mediate each of Greer's accusations would render the discussion incoherent and endless. Instead, the focus is on appreciating Greer's undeniable contributions to UFO disclosure while extracting valuable insights from his perspective.
• 30:00 - 36:30: Extraterrestrial communications and consciousness This chapter introduces a special long-form episode featuring Dr. Steven Greer, titled 'Extraterrestrial communications and consciousness'. The discussion hints at complex topics involving the brain's activities and consciousness, possibly in relation to extraterrestrial life or advanced beings, setting the stage for an in-depth interview with Dr. Greer.

Steven Greer: “UFO Secrets Are Held By A Global Cabal” Transcription

• 00:00 - 00:30 [Music] you're dealing with weapons that would make hydrogen bomb look like a tinker toy it's the largest criminal corrupt organization in the history of the earth most people have a price in either blackmail threats or money or position i said sit on it and rotate why are you so controversial just let me finish let me finish let me finish the story you keep interrupting me but I will tell you if you'll let me finish
• 00:30 - 01:00 the really high-tech stuff they've slammed into a box it would liberate every home every car every factory every country into energy independence no pollution and no poverty here's a warning to you money grubbing [ __ ] it's It's going to It's going to be open sourced so I've been doing this for one hell of a long time since I was 35 i thought everything that went bump in the night was alien i did and it wasn't until I started having people come forward who said "Oh we piloted these."
• 01:00 - 01:30 And then I had guys come forward who had actually been on the abduction squad made to look like aliens whoa and they said "Oh no." You met people who've like committed those crimes yeah and they feel terrible later in life the folks who know about this they need to come clean truthfully soon this is getting very serious right now whether you're in Congress the Senate the public or someone on your podcast they need to be arrested and tried for treason and sedition against United States does that
• 01:30 - 02:00 involve storming Area 51 and Dougway and the right pad or what what does this involve literally this week's long awaited American Alchemist is Dr steven Greer love him or hate him this medical doctor turned UFO truth seeker has played a big part in modern disclosure that can't be ignored if you are trying to get closer to the truth you just can't really throw out his foundational research the Disclosure Project archive and his whistleblower
• 02:00 - 02:30 testimonies he's gathered more firstirhand UFO witnesses than anyone on the planet and humanity owes him a debt for that in my opinion speaking to Dr greer is like panning for gold if you get past some of his antics there's a ton of value there i've been told by people not to do this interview because of those antics i don't really care for being told who I should and shouldn't speak with talking to someone on a podcast is not in any way an endorsement of all of their beliefs so I decided to sit down with him the one caveat I will
• 02:30 - 03:00 include here is Dr greer goes after just about everybody in UFO world and hurls out a ton of ad homonyms if I had tried to perfectly referee all of his accusations this would have turned into an unintelligible and endless argument about who the bad faith actors are in UFO world although I generally agree with him there are probably many so instead I tried to show appreciation for his incontrovertible contributions to UFO disclosure and to learn what I could from him so without further ado or
• 03:00 - 03:30 disclaimers please enjoy this special long- form episode with this week's American Alchemist Dr steven Greer different parts of the brain have different activities but you know that don't you [Music] maybe you should interview me [Music] i'm here with Dr steven Greer uh I'm so
• 03:30 - 04:00 excited to do this this has been a long time coming for me because I've explored a lot in UFO world sure and you are really responsible for a lot of disclosure i mean a lot of the most of the whistleblowers who've come out have had a touch point with you before they've gone public and so uh Disclosure Project is is your kind of organization you have an archive with terabytes of data documents that go incredibly deep
• 04:00 - 04:30 on the cover up you've also uh made a couple of great movies Unagnowledged uh The Lost Century about suppressed science and stuff and the new one that just came out The Battle for Disclosure and The Battle for Disclosure and uh and then you've given me this incredible uh this briefing for the president we we cleaned it up okay redacted things and made it available to the public so everyone can get it now so you'll have 90 plus% of what the new president has that's pretty awesome the Disclosure Project briefing document 2025 so have you spoken to Trump or his team or I
• 04:30 - 05:00 can't I won't I can't talk about the who the names but very senior people relevant to this issue and national security yes so as soon as the election happened um even before so some of his closest uh adviserss and and major funders have been on my team and are supportive of this and uh some of them that are new to that world and just to be clear to everyone
• 05:00 - 05:30 I'm nonpartisan so I've dealt with all the way back to Clinton and the Obama and John Podesta all the way forward to now so my institute uh and the disclosure project is completely a nonpartisan has to be and only nonpartisan it's global because I do the same thing for Europe Australia Great Britain i was just in Great Britain in September so we're assiduously carefully nonpartisan with that said this administration I think the first
• 05:30 - 06:00 administration since Bill Clinton tried to fix this problem in his first term is most open to perhaps pursuing it we'll see that would be very exciting well this brings up this kind of perennial question because I think a lot of people associate this topic with the quote unquote deep state and they also associate Bill Clinton with the quote unquote deep state and so how deep is the deep state that deals with this topic if you have Bill Clinton kind of knocking on the door of the program and not getting let in what are we talking
• 06:00 - 06:30 about as far as a a power structure here well it's exactly what Eisenhower described when he went out of office in ' 61 in January 61 when he left and Jack Kennedy came in and he said "Beware of the military-industrial complex it'll become a threat to our way of life and excessive secrecy will destroy democracy i'm paraphrasing but you can read the speech um the same thing that Jack Kennedy said in a number of speeches and then we know for a fact and I know the
• 06:30 - 07:00 people who have the actionable intelligence on this jack Kenny was killed over this issue and the constellation of programs attached to GAPS and particularly the science and technology branch of it which we'll get into that's two big pillars here keeping it secret they want people to go out publicly and we know who they are who will spin the subject in the direction of it being an alien threat for the purpose of a totalitarian superstate
• 07:00 - 07:30 uniting the world against aliens which is a total hoax and nonsense and that's you know it's like the movie Independence Day or the War of the Worlds or whatever you know like when Will Smith goes "Let's kick alien butt." Right that you know that whole script was like out of CIA central scripting casting not that Will Smith is he's a great guy but um who's reached out to us and very interested but I think that the the trajectory of this goes back to the
• 07:30 - 08:00 late 50s probably earlier but definitely the decapitation of the presidency happened on Eisenhower's watch mhm and we know that Jackie Gleason knew this and some people that in my early days as a young doctor when I first started this I got to know some people who had known Eisenhower and and uh like one of our whistleblowers way back then at the when we kicked off the whole disclosure project effort in the mid 90s it was
• 08:00 - 08:30 called Project Starlight code name was we were private and then it went public in 01 with the National Press Club that had 800 million people see it and then 9/11 happened a few months later as a direct consequence which we I don't want to get into that much but it was this was going to get blown wide open interesting they had to have they had needed a diversion so they created something called 911 and that's been stuck in that world for 20 years but what's fascinating about this so-called
• 08:30 - 09:00 deep state is that it was an carryover out of World War II and it started when uh a man who was one of the original founders of CIA Alan Dulles uh it was OSS during World War II the other thing was a guy named Paul Melon and Melon was one of the few billionaires in the world at the end of World War II i mean a million having billions of dollars in 45
• 09:00 - 09:30 amazing so Paul Melon's grandson who is John Warner IV the the the son of Senator John Warner I got to know years ago and he said "Look first time I walked into his house at the Watergate he has two a huge place on the water." And and uh John Warner not his father the Senator Warner but John Warner he I walk in he goes "Well my whole family were fascists." I went "What?" He says "Oh yeah." So his
• 09:30 - 10:00 his grandfather Paul Melon so Warner his father had married uh Paul Melon's daughter so it's all very familial this runs family back way back and he said yeah I mean he was a huge supporter of Adolf Hitler and fascism so was Henry Ford so was Watson of IBM so these were all hardcore and so was Prescott Bush George HW Bush's dad they were known to be big supporters of fascism They were
• 10:00 - 10:30 at like Union Bank Brown Brothers Haramman yep all that chase Manhattan the whole the whole thing so that was went put into kind of stasis for a few years till we won I call it the battle of World War II but then those people sort of covertly surfaced after World War II well there's a story of John Warner and he's having martinis I believe with with Paul Melon that's what I'm talking about and he admitted this and he admitted going over and getting a Nazi disc that's right that was not a
• 10:30 - 11:00 ramjet it was actually electrogravidic and my grandfather said "Look you know we we were in a facility a hanger and we saw you know a German flying disc." And I said you know "Oh is that the one that was cobbled together with six BMW jet engines?" And he laughed and he said "No." Now some of them are extraterrestrial yeah i don't use the word alien because people think it's someone from Guatemala or something but um but an ETV an extraterrestrial vehicle or NHI craft non-human
• 11:00 - 11:30 intelligence craft um that's not what he brought back it was a not it was a Nazi early prototype but it wasn't stable it took us from 1945 to 1954 to master what's called gravity control yeah and I have a man who is a whistleblower but privately who is the top scientist at the Naval Research Labs who has passed away so I'll say his name is Richard Foch F rick had been in the vault and saw the
• 11:30 - 12:00 documents for the date we mastered gravity control and it was October 1954 so beginning in the late 50s forward many of the UAPs UFOs whatever the new fake word is are using for these things that's also out of CI we'll talk about the word usage and how it's a mind colonization it's a mind [ __ ] excuse my language but um to think how these guys think right you had to get at their level and so
• 12:00 - 12:30 from there forward they said they had captured or shot down a couple of ET craft but they weren't starting from zero they already had that right the Nazi disc they had the T towns and brown electro revidics which became the foundation of Rand Corporation by the way and so how do you that's interesting because I know Towns and Brown did some experiments in the 60s right before his work got kind of covertly transferred to Northrup Grumman for the B2 and he did a
• 12:30 - 13:00 presentation for Rand Corporation and then something happened and so Y but that started in the 20s mhm well his experiments yeah okay so the late 1920s they were using very high voltage material uh uh resonant frequencies certain frequencies at very high voltage but low power mhm not a lot of current low current yeah low current if you understand electromagnetism and power is you know the the current times the voltage right the fact is is that he was
• 13:00 - 13:30 able to hit a sweet spot with certain crystallin materials mhm high K dialectrics yeah and that would then levitate yeah float that was 28 29 it was reproduced in Germany in the Kowski frost experiment all this is in by the way the disclosure project intelligence archive we released it all dpiarchive.com is that dpiarchchive.com and so I go anyone wants to see it it's there if you can read you you'll learn it but so that
• 13:30 - 14:00 percolated along so the CL covert programs with this go way back to the turn of the last century Yeah late 1800s early 1900s there are still top secret files on this issue from the late 1800s and early 1900s we know this wow way back fascinating yeah it is fascinating and how do you know that it goes that far back because one of the very top people since 1979 at the CIA who's worked this issue is an intel source for me so what is the secrecy because we
• 14:00 - 14:30 think we associate it with the CIA which was formed in 47 even OSS was 42 through 45 yeah so like if it this was like late 19th century is it Office of Naval Intelligence is it secret societies is it both what's up guys i want to tell you about my new favorite boots these things are epic i've been wearing these everywhere they're called Brunt they're insanely comfortable and durable these things last for years and they're super versatile i wear them for hiking for hanging out they look pretty swaggy if you're going out they even look good in
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• 15:30 - 16:00 it was it was again it was military intelligence and scientists who were under contract and there were top secret things going on see people forget Nicola Tesla mhm not the fake Tesla cars with a little toy battery you plug in no I'm not talking about the fake Tesla i'm talking about Nicola Tesla uhhuh you know as Einstein was asked "What's it like being a genius?" And he goes "I wouldn't know you should ask Nicola Tesla." See I think that was the real genius i agree with you of of of the the
• 16:00 - 16:30 20th century him and towns and brown in my opinion yes and ma Faraday Maxwell they all had stumbled across this electromagnetic effect so this is when I say we have a hundred in the lost century everyone goes see this documentary it's a documentation of a hundred years of lost technologies that are really advanced and I don't mean the crap out of Silicon Valley it's just peripheral garbage you know iPhones all that stuff i was just that's not
• 16:30 - 17:00 high-tech there's none of it so the really high-tech stuff they've slammed into a box because it would liberate this is a libertarian's dream it would liberate every home every car every factory every country into energy independence no pollution and no poverty but then that undercuts this uber elite oligarchy the super powerful trillion dollar i'm not talking Elon Musk couple hundred billion nobody cares about $200
• 17:00 - 17:30 billion we're talking hundreds of trillions of dollars in assets can I say where I might disagree with you i think we have these novel effects in the black around towns and brown electrogravitics things like that extended electronamics and then I I'm not so sure you might be right but I'm not sure that we have like scalable zero point energy that could like take out the grid do you have high confidence that we have i have 100% knowledge of it and absolutely really
• 17:30 - 18:00 absolutely we have it and you know what the CEO of a fortune 50 company Mhm i'm sorry chairman not CEO who's retired now has approached us last year as soon as he did he had a wet works assassination team threatened to kill him and his entire family and grandchildren wow so he's 80 now but he wants to come forward and the first thing he said is we have we could have had free energy for the world and quote decades and decades ago
• 18:00 - 18:30 absolutely true is this company a defense prime or is it it I won't comment except it is one of the it's a household name in the United States wow and this is the former chairman and he came to you saying yes I want to get this out yes but of course this is why we're get to this in a little while m why some of the executive orders and things in Congress we've been working on provides ironclad protection not just legal but physical like federal
• 18:30 - 19:00 marshall protection or secret service uh to the HVT high value targets very high value whistleblowers because we have several categories of whistleblowers I have 760ome whistleblowers that I've debriefed some of them at such a high level that they're in serious risk this is not a conspiracy theory of just being whacked right killed and their families and uh we have to protect them so the
• 19:00 - 19:30 president needs to sign an executive order and the Congress needs to enshrine in law which they almost did in December of 23 a little over a year ago but that got gutted in the reconciliation of the National Defense Authorization Act and the part of it that I had helped consult on for Senate Intelligence Committee because I've been in the skiff there and done things for them that got taken out and the reconciliation by some devils who are in the House of Representatives we know who they are and one of them got
• 19:30 - 20:00 removed Turner he got removed as head of because I blew the whistle on it i said that guy out well he because here's the problem if you are carrying water Uhhuh for a criminal conspiracy a transnational corrupt organization which is what this is that is committing murder abductions mhm alien abductions are covert human programs by the way 100% i mean that's the other big secret
• 20:00 - 20:30 nobody knows then you're also committing embezzlement of monies black budget money that's being embezzled that the president and Congress have not have no knowledge of you're murdering people take the whole federal penal code throw it at these people so where I am at this point because I'm look in June I'll be 70 so I've been doing this for one hell of a long time since I was 35 my view of it at this point is we're going to have to get serious against
• 20:30 - 21:00 these criminal elements but if you're carrying water for them if you're one of their shills or cut out whether you're in Congress the Senate the public or someone on your podcast they need to be arrested and tried for treason and sedition against United States i'm going go on the record and say that and this is seriously being discussed so I'm issuing this as a warning this chicainery and nonsense one way or another is going to come to a screeching halt because there are people not just
• 21:00 - 21:30 me i've been saying this for 30 years you go back and see what I saw in the meetings with the Clinton people back in 95 93 94 95 i briefed the CIA director for Clinton in December 13th of 93 wow so I mean before probably you were born but the point I'm making is that this is a really huge problem so if even if you're a low-level operative you're just carrying water for this messaging mhm right and disinforming the public or
• 21:30 - 22:00 blocking bills you are part of a criminal operation and RICO racketeering influence corrupt organization conspiracy can be invoked and grab them all up speaking of Clinton his uh deputy assistant secretary of defense for intelligence Chris Melon has been responsible for pushing a lot of you know disclosure post 2017 this article with Leslie Kaine these videos that have come out he and Lou Alzando uh in the New York Times how do you square that
• 22:00 - 22:30 with Paul Melon being one of the founders of the CIA because all three of the people you named are being told to tell part of the truth and the partial truth is actually more damaging than than saying nothing so if you tell people one we don't know what these are so all three of them say it's a UAP we don't know what they are bull malarkey or in Texas cow pods i mean it's just nonsense we know what they are there are
• 22:30 - 23:00 extraterrestrial vehicles and HIV vehicles there are man-made ones that's the majority that are seen now that's the biggest secret and then there are things that are extradimensional they're not from another star system from another dimension they're not craft they're beings all that gets put into a blender and confused on purpose are there any time travel to gas well time and space is fungeible right but I'm just want to stay on this for a minute
• 23:00 - 23:30 so if you're if you're told "Say this but then misdirect the public on that." Let me tell you how great counter intelligence works you take truth put it on the outside like a sweet coating inside this nice little piece of candy is the poison pill so they'll come out and they'll say "These are real but we don't know what they are we don't know how they fly." Big lie
• 23:30 - 24:00 or they'll say they're a threat to the national security well the man-made ones are because they're running by a transnational criminal organization out of the control of the White House and the Congress what is that organization do we have a name for it oh it used to be called Majestic 12 the last I know it's been the last good name I can pinpoint on a document from the 90s from the NRO national reconnaissance office was uh magic magic which is the majority joint intelligence committee or just
• 24:00 - 24:30 magi they're they're a global they're transnational organization oh absolutely that coincides with different governments national governments but basically has supersedes them has power over them yeah I mean it's what the Senator Inowi who was a Democrat who was the chairman of the committee looking into Iran Contra back in the 80s the Reagan years a and he said um beware now he's the one who said there exists a
• 24:30 - 25:00 shadow or secret government that's above the US government that has its own funding mechanism its own air force its own navy that's above the law and free from the law itself I'm almost quoting you can look it up it's in our archive How do they stay coordinated in the world of like smartphones and stuff where you know how the the regular guys at NSA don't have the level to keep that organization out because they have technologies that penetrate time space that go beyond
• 25:00 - 25:30 electromagnetic conventional encryption so do you think you've met any members of this majestic 12 or or magic okay course I have for sure for sure interesting and that's why you know back in '92 Yeah well I was on Patrick David's show a couple weeks ago and he said you know what kind of I said well in '92 General Stubbleine offered me $2 billion to be part of his little cabal of goostepping fools and I said what did he
• 25:30 - 26:00 say what did So Stubbleine is what army counter intel he was I think at one time he had been head of army intelligence and special forces and um whole career but his career dealing with UFOs goes back to the 60s really yes so when did I had an intel source who had worked with him way back then now remember this is 1992 so this is 33 years ago in May um and Bet David thought there's no way that was a serious I said "Oh yeah it was." Because he knew I could make a lot
• 26:00 - 26:30 of trouble for them and that would have been a bargain two billion because I've caused a lot more trouble did they ever offer to show you a UFO and to so that you would stop talking no i mean look there no amount of money or threats are going to get me to stop the mission I'm on that's to bring the truth out of this and let us start a real golden age where we have all these technologies you know super advanced society have you ever seen a UFO not in
• 26:30 - 27:00 the air but in a hanger in like a Oh taken to one of those places i've been in places where they have been i have not seen this yeah okay but I have many many whistleblowers see one of the my gripes with the House Oversight Committee Yeah they have not had a single legitimate whistleblower up there who's a direct firshand person m and I find it very very very odd because I I've met and discussed this with with Grush and Luna and others and I go here here's a hard drive unredacted well you've spoken to David
• 27:00 - 27:30 Grush oh yeah well I met Okay let's go back a little bit i met with Grush when he was still an undercover uh operative okay and no one knew who he was his bosses were the ones I was providing intel to that helped him and other people get to find what he found who were who were his bosses i can't talk about that there are people in the look the the Senate Intelligence Committee and Senate Armed Services had authorized and a bill had been written
• 27:30 - 28:00 to form Arrow at the Pentagon and to have investigations on this so the bosses in charge of that at that level of intel were the people who wanted him to go out and one of them set up this meeting between me and and and Mr grush um and do you like David Grush do you feel like do you find him to be an honest actor oh he absolutely what he said about what he found but again he's secondhand my whistleblowers are direct firsthand
• 28:00 - 28:30 he has said that he's actually had firsthand knowledge since getting that critique so and I don't know exactly what that is but well he's been pulled into some but the problem is he got attached to a gentleman named Luis Alzando who is mainly there to provide partial truth and this is what I was talking about earlier so if if you put out some information and then attach the disinformation to it there's a threat we need to you know go to World War II in an alien battle we don't have um these
• 28:30 - 29:00 technologies ourselves we've never developed that advance when I have direct people who've worked on built and flown the man-made UFOs right so these are your high value target whistleblowers you have a whistleblower who's flown uh an alien reproduction vehicle a UFO that we've and more importantly the man who managed all the pilots who flew them out of Edwards Air Force Base Edwards complex did he say what it was like to fly in a UFO well they're control from 1G wow so in other
• 29:00 - 29:30 words they could be going 200,000 miles per hour stop make a turn and now your if you were in a conventional aircraft even if it could go that fast your no your brains would come out through your nose from the kill you oh yeah g forces would just splatter you but they can control so really what they are they're moving in an electromagnetic field space-time bubble so that they can move as if there's none of that gravitational effect did he say he was feeling like he
• 29:30 - 30:00 would feel like he was going fast or it was You can feel mostly like 1g or a little lighter wow so yeah you don't feel that uh centripal force or centrif Well if they do it right they have they've had some terrible disasters uhhuh i know a man two different people who've been on the retrieval teams of the triangular ones ah so North Grumman my uncle was on the team that designed the lunar module the first man on the
• 30:00 - 30:30 moon oh that's cool and uh his whole career is North Grumman now this was not his portfolio but he heard things right because he was a senior project manager eventually moved out from Long Island at Beth Page where they actually designed and built the lunar module landed on the moon with Neil Armstrong to California but he was this was not his because you know those special projects let's call them within Northrup Grum and Lockheed Skunkworks are hermetically sealed from their normal business of jets and
• 30:30 - 31:00 rockets and whatever you know the normal stuff that's true of all these corporate contractors it it has to be because I think about like you know China's eating our lunch in hypersonics right now so like how is that possible and consistent with the fact that we have hyper light drive ships you know like those two thing but there so they just don't talk to each other you have these secret black programs they don't even know each other exists they don't know each other exists and so the problem with that little of secrecy
• 31:00 - 31:30 that Eisenhower foretold is that that entity can then take on a life its own because of their technological capabilities but not only in energy and propulsion but in surveillance right so we haven't talked about that yet uh and this is where you get into the really high end of psionics that Jake uh talks about a little bit that I've been talking about since 1990 um so the cheap end of it is the remote viewing program that the CIA had right
• 31:30 - 32:00 that's just the innate abilities and what Bob Monroe had with Hemisync remote viewing um what we do with C5 contact but the high end of it an electromagnetic transdimensional interface with consciousness and mind and technology so do you think they have mind control techniques today I want to share something that's become a gamecher for me personally qualia senolytic have you ever heard about senolytics it's a revolutionary class of ingredients that
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• 33:30 - 34:00 mean it it's not like you know it's not like some science fiction you hit a button and someone becomes an automaton i mean the automatons like Jake talked about Jake Barber talked about who are these P3 operators go through a rigorous training program so they can become like almost like a machine human machine interface between the people controlling them and the ET vehicles mh so it's a very elaborate program but what I tell people is that in the mid to late 50s I I had met a man who invented kind of a
• 34:00 - 34:30 headset like he's wearing that would uh basically put you in a state in consciousness so you could remote view distant places 56 wow and he offered it to me i said "This is gonna be too hot to handle i'm It's dangerous enough what we're doing i'm if I have that I'm a dead man." Mhm so but the man was in his 80s by then cuz that was 50s six this would probably been in 93 or 4 mhm um
• 34:30 - 35:00 all kinds of people started coming to me in the early 90s after we had four ET craft materialize in the air in Florida near Pensacola that my whole intention was simply to go out and attempt to make peaceful contact with groups of people with the ETSs but once the intelligence community saw that we knew how to do that they came after me like a pack of Rottweilers so yeah I want to tell that story like how you got nasty bit of business so So you were you were an ER
• 35:00 - 35:30 doctor and then you just did you just feel inspired to start going out and doing C5 protocols or how did this how did this all begin well that's a very long story excuse me bless i just so people know I just had emergency surgery last night for a ruptured appendix yeah it's amazing that he's here it's I mean I'm an open book folks but I mean it was like oh my god and as a doctor emergency doctor I go this is bad my assistant Raven when we go we go
• 35:30 - 36:00 straight from Houston and drive to the Texas University Hospital i can't believe it and a friend of a friend knew a doctor a surgeon there who could like open me up and do it but wow you know it was you know I I got home from the hospital you seem great to me oh well people say "You're a [ __ ] machine." Anyway but well you know what I told uh J I texted Jake before I got here yeah and I said Winston Churchill said "Never never never give up." Yeah so you just keep
• 36:00 - 36:30 going yeah always yeah but no it's I'm been a little woozy i hope I'm being coherent here no you're being super coherent okay yeah that's why I'm having some matcha yeah there you go you're good you're on point so okay so so the origin story so you're an ER doctor well I had a sighting first okay you had a sighting in when I was eight or nine wow yeah with a bunch of kids in the neighborhood my twin sister in Charlotte North Carolina where I grew up and uh cuz I did a chapel residency that so I'm a North Carolina guy mh and um broad
• 36:30 - 37:00 daylight perfectly seamless disc mhm about 1963 probably wow see three four around the time Kennedy was killed mhm and I went "Wow that's a UFO as a little kid." Now my parents thought we were just like making stuff up right parents should believe their children when they see stuff anyway so um so I ignited an interest that I had lifelong then my uncle I just mentioned was
• 37:00 - 37:30 working on putting the first man on the moon which happened in ' 69 when I was 14 i just turned 14 and so I was got very interested in all of that and then uh when when I was 17 it was my last year of high school I got very sick i got injur I had an injury and got infected and I grew up people don't know this in a shack very poor no heat no air conditioning had a kerosene heater in the floor uh we were starving on the
• 37:30 - 38:00 streets literally i had all we had all kinds of problems so I had ended up getting on my own and had a apartment in high school uh I was tall and hairy so everyone thought I was 20 when I was 16 it's a hilarious story and so I washed pots and pans at a Red Lobster to get through high school and then would bicycle to school but I got worn down and I got very sick i had a near-death experience so my parents were didn't
• 38:00 - 38:30 believe in God didn't believe in anything didn't believe in a soul didn't believe in an afterlife didn't believe in consciousness and then this I went "Well were they wrong?" There's a whole new cosmos out here so I had this amazing near-death experience which introduced me to the whole science of consciousness right so six months so about a month later or a couple months later on my 18th birthday I learned meditation mhm back in the day now I'm dating myself 1973 when the the whole zeitgeist was
• 38:30 - 39:00 transcendental meditation and the Maharishi and all that so I learned to meditate and I had these amazing experiences in consciousness like cosmic consciousness beautiful experiences and that's where the near-death experience was well thank you God that actually helped get me on a path but 6 months later October 73 I'm up in the mountains of North Carolina if you're in the Blue Ridge Mountains up near Boone and
• 39:00 - 39:30 there's a some m So I climbed up this mountain up over 5,000 ft and I'm up there before sunset to meditate and um I look up and that same craft well it looked the same i can't say it was the same one uh that I saw on when I was a kid when I was eight now I'm 18 just turned 18 appears in the afternoon sky crystal clear October day what did the craft look like it was a a disc a seamless disc um not a thin disc
• 39:30 - 40:00 but like you know kind of that shape mhm and seamless the sun shining off of it fully materialized and then it didn't move off it just disappeared wow because the interstellar ones could do it they can be here and just boom mhm so I went "Oh they're back." I didn't think anything about it right i said "Oh that's cool another sighting." So I sit to meditate and go in this deep meditation and at the end of it I come
• 40:00 - 40:30 out of it and I it was very long longer than I thought it had gotten dark so this is near sunset when I saw the craft and it's October 73 and it was kind of beautiful because I looked up and you could see the whole Milky Way galaxy it was crystal clear and you're up over 5,000 ft up in the Blue Ridge and uh at that moment a beautiful thought came and said uh beware what a beautiful universe God has
• 40:30 - 41:00 made m and with that I'd noticed over the rise of the top of the crest of the mountain where I was there was a fire tower I was sitting at the base of the locals called it a fire tower north Carolina it's a fire tower not a fire tower and uh I looked there was a glow and then there was this creature that came over and he she I don't know was maybe about 5t tall beautiful deerlike
• 41:00 - 41:30 eyes came over and touched me on my right shoulder mhm and my at that time I had a long hair and a lot of hair and my hair went boing and it just stuck up uh and then I boom sort of vanished on this craft for about I thought it was 40 minutes or so or half hour to an hour somewhere and it was like four hours wow because time space is different and that's where we sort of co-created and invented the C5 contact protocols we use
• 41:30 - 42:00 so you kind of downloaded it from that experience yeah or I was it was it was collaborative it was like me experiencing that state of consciousness as a human in 1973 and them understanding humans from where they are which is thousands of years in the future wow right so it was this very people say metaphysical it wasn't it was very physical but very and very real but very almost like a lucid dream because when you go into that state it's it's
• 42:00 - 42:30 almost like a lucid interface between 3D and four and five and 6D you know I mean it's very abstract in a lot of ways but are there ancient versions of this protocol or okay native peoples I think this is all such a revelation to just the last few hundred years since the scientific revolution where we threw threw the science of consciousness and spirituality out with the bathwater right right because it fell into the Middle Ages as a superstition and then
• 42:30 - 43:00 burning witches at the stake and and all that that the scientific revolution said we don't want any part of that yeah but I think we're going to come into a time where the science of consciousness and this understanding is going to merge and I and I know Jake Barber and others understand this with other what we call science because it is a science um and that's what I discovered by studying the vas and the ancient Sanskrit from India it's not Hinduism by the way predates
• 43:00 - 43:30 Hinduism and Buddhism and so that so after this experience don't they have flying saucers in the text as well oh absolutely the Bhagavagita and the ancient the manas and these are thousands of years old they predate Christ Krishna they predate all those and there's like spinning mercury at the center or something there's Well that's maybe okay you know but definitely there were objects like that recorded thousands of years ago so I said well there's really nothing that new under the sun right you know but so at what
• 43:30 - 44:00 point do all these intelligence and military people enter your life you have Colonel John Alexander who has a long history in ufology uh often debunking thing trying or attempting to debunk his job look people do what they're told to do okay okay look I mean if you're if you're someone on the payroll and you're told you do this or we kill you or or if you do it we'll make you very wealthy and comfortable for the rest of your life most people aren't going to do what I'm going to do is that why I said sit on it and rotate to the stubble by I'm sorry
• 44:00 - 44:30 it' be vulgar the two billion yeah do you have that in writing the offer oh god of course not don't be naive no but it was I witnessed to I mean he then went to my wife tried to convince her but what I'm saying is that most people have a price in either blackmail threats or money or position or power like I've known a couple billionaires all they wanted to do is get access to the secret technologies uhhuh and understand and see stuff bigalow was one
• 44:30 - 45:00 of those cuz I knew him at the Rockefeller ranch in 93 m right when Rockefeller hosted all these folks and Lawrence Rockefeller right yeah hosted and he he did he fund some of your work as well early on he did and it got intercepted by some people on his team who were knocks nonofficial covers for the CIA it's so interesting though Rockefeller you have Melon Rockefell like all these old families seems very interested in this sort of tech not just interested but involved involved okay now Lawrence was the philosopher king of the family David he seemed like a good
• 45:00 - 45:30 guy Lawrence totally Yeah but he was surrounded by devils these people get so they don't know it they get surrounded by these operatives and it's like you know the expression smile smile and be a villain i've never heard that but Oh yeah interesting well in literature uhhuh boy we need to reinstitute education in Sorry catch me up i know i'm I'm terrible you imagine growing up my four daughters are over if I used a word they didn't know I adistic i They go look it up i think we need more uh
• 45:30 - 46:00 more shaming around uh cultural illiteracy like I just displayed so I I appreciate that i'm now extra motivated no no I'm just I'm just ribbon you um don't take me too seriously about that but um you're a smart guy uh but you know it was it was quite clear that Lawrence had greatest intentions but he also he had said this to me his brother David Rockefeller and Jay Rockefeller who had been chairman of Senate
• 46:00 - 46:30 Intelligence as Senator Senator Rockefeller from West Virginia they were jumping up on his I'll tell you what he told me as you know I'm always on the hunt for things that help me stay sharp focused and full of energy while I'm diving into life's mysteries and making this show happen and I've got to say Mudwater has completely transformed my mornings back in the day I used to struggle with that post coffee crash and let's not even get into the caffeine jitters mudwater gave me the smooth
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• 47:30 - 48:00 Jesse that's right up to 43% off with code jesse at mud wtr.com after your purchase they'll ask you how you found them please show your support and let them know we sent you keep your energy natural and refreshing all year long with mud water because life's too short for anything less than clean delicious energy late one night we go out on the deck of of the ranch the Jy ranch yeah yeah yeah the in the Rockefeller ranch in the Tetons cuz the Rockefellers owned the Tetons the whole
• 48:00 - 48:30 ranch and gave it to the US government and then they kept out this beautiful ranch and that's where the Clintons would go that in the summer for vacation to learn about this but um the uh ranch had this beautiful cabin on at lodge and we were laid one night out on the deck and he and and he said uh I asked him I said look now this is 90 9 September of 93 mhm and remember I'm very new to this
• 48:30 - 49:00 um but I'm got pulled in very quickly after the intelligence community realized that we could make contact mhm um but there were people who were friendly to this so you have the white hats and the black hats let's say that there were people who wanted this to get fixed and people who never wanted this to come out right so the ones who don't are implacable enemies the ones that do try to help whether they're
• 49:00 - 49:30 doing it overtly or covertly and Lawrence was trying to help he was trying to help but his his nephew the senator Jay Rockefeller and his brother Chase Manhattan chairman of Chase Manhattan david Rockefeller yeah which became Yeah david they didn't want he he said they are already jumping up and down on my nuts that's what he said for even having this meeting with you so I said no so cuz I'd asked him I said we need help yeah and you can help us so
• 49:30 - 50:00 you feel like he got kind of styied by his family family and later by people on his team that betrayed him because he was funding John Mack as well right yes that was part of the betrayal and he I think because he he was he was moved his funds over into people who meant well like John Mack i knew John Mack pretty well but did you like John Mack did he find him to be an honest actor he was doing the best he could with what he knew so but he's kind of a hero of mine i think he's great but but no but if
• 50:00 - 50:30 you're working with only two cards out of a 52 52 card deck so he had two cards out of the 52 cards for the audience john Mack head of the Harvard psychiatry department did all the work with the abductions and stuff exactly childhood friend of Bud Hopkins who got into all these reg started regressing people and but what they didn't know every one of those cases that were being funneled to him Yeah were all done by humans none of them were actually i want to get into this with you because you've said so one
• 50:30 - 51:00 of the most famous cases abduction cases in you know US history that I think the Obama's production team is now making a a show on for Netflix or a movie on is the Betty and Barney Hill case of 1961 and you say that that was perpetrated by humans and not aliens well I I it very likely was but only because the mechanism how it happened would not be consistent with interstellar transdimensional technologies mhm we also know that by that date I think when that 61 or something like that we
• 51:00 - 51:30 already had fully operational man-made electrogravetic craft with people who were made to look like aliens and stage it's called stage craft doing this now John Mack didn't know that bud Hopkins didn't know that you think we could do that one we absolutely could have really so what I'm saying is here's what I'm trying to say i want to be very clear on this m I'm not saying no one's had contact with ETSs i did i wouldn't be here if I hadn't had that contact jake
• 51:30 - 52:00 had that consciousness contact with the egg he picked up mhm um profound and I did too uh in 73 but and it was beautiful and these civilizations are completely not only are they benign they're they be closer to an angel than a demon but that's what some of your critics say is you summon stuff and it can be not always good you know oh well I mean those are the religious nuts that are
• 52:00 - 52:30 like you know end of the world esquetology fanatics but there have to be some bad like just like us right aren't there some i'm sure there are but they're not allowed out of their solar system it's like oh I know that so you think that's like I know what the I know what the protocols are for let's say real space command not the US space command do you believe in anything demonic in that world in the world of the ET thing well see now you just mixed up two of the three categories that I elucidated there are extraterrestrial
• 52:30 - 53:00 vehicles or NHI craft there are man-made lookalikes in faximiles and there are things from other dimensions that are really nasty okay that are not extraterrestrial and you're saying if you but they're being deliberately conflated by people like Jim Smivan and Alzando and others to gaslight people in Congress but wouldn't Jo have said that too wouldn't he say because in the 80s he got taken in by that organization you think Jo is is co-opted by He absolutely
• 53:00 - 53:30 did get really 100% we know know who did it how they did it what he got can you say anything more no I won't i'm just saying wow we are not going to tolerate people who spread knowingly or unknowingly disinformation that could lead to an interplanetary war and the termination of life on Earth that's what that agenda is don't be naive how do how do you get the minds and hearts of people Yeah to unite against some totalitarian global threat unless
• 53:30 - 54:00 they've been brainwashed for decades with abductions and mutilations and false images and Hollywood movies that's what that is it's it's a CIA psychological warfare operation i don't get that vibe from Jacqu Valle though i think he's a little deeper as far as he's much deeper now no he's he's completely come out of that okay but back in the day Uhhuh like I astronaut Ed Edgar Mitchell invited me to uh brief
• 54:00 - 54:30 the board of knowetic sciences back years ago cool yeah and Jacqu Fole and I were there for this weekend of this retreat um eventually Claybourne Pel Senator Pel came that's really Claybourne Pel is you know Senator who was Biden's closest mentor and he was part and Claybourne Pel I found out later after he died was part of this cabal well he was interested in all this stuff but he was also carrying water for that organization interesting yeah so now look I mean I this has been a 35
• 54:30 - 55:00 years when you say that organization is that magic or this transational thing we gave you the graphic for you guys can show to the public well it is interesting what was rumored so the MJ12 documents came out from 84 it was a string of documents 84 into the '90s and um in the Majestic 12 was a guy named Delev Bronc and Det Bronc was I believe president of the Rockefeller Foundation for a little bit yes so look all the big industrialists so first of all let's ratchet this back
• 55:00 - 55:30 a little bit yeah sure what the definition of fascism is nowadays if someone disagrees with you you're a fascist everyone's a Nazi everyone's a fascist right right let's put that aside the actual definition of fascism is very powerful industrial corporate interest taking over and overly influencing the government of we the people and and corrupting it or moving it in the direction so that the government is
• 55:30 - 56:00 serving the interests of those large oligarch corporate interests those so in the industrial revolution and era it would have been that crowd JP you know Morgan Rocke now it's the big tech companies and others we know how it works you know I have a guy who is with NSA who was in meetings with some of the senior seuite people at a major tech and telecommunications company sort of colluding well we know from Snowden
• 56:00 - 56:30 completely illegal stuff right we know we know from Snowden they had back doors they had Bull Run and Prism and I don't think this was done unbeknownst to Google and Apple and so we No it was with their cooperation yeah all right but it it reaches a point where it also becomes collusion between that element within what is being called the deep state which is a misnomer in a way but let's just call it that and these corporate interests because they they have an interest in not letting the
• 56:30 - 57:00 public know the truth because the truth leads in inexorably to the release of the tech that's going to terminate oil gas coal nuclear wind solar hydroelect electric all of it what do you think of Bob Lazar so Bob Lazar obviously famous you know UFO whistleblower claimed to be at S4 a special compartment of Area 51 1987 uh some files get put on George Knap's desk from this uh CIA cargo pilot named John Lear saying "Here's this guy Bazar and
• 57:00 - 57:30 you know he's been reverse engineering craft and the craft looks like Billy Meyer's sports model it's this you know UFO." Do you think Bob Lazar is is legit and actually worked uh at Area 51 on reverse you know I have had no one corroborate that so if you look follow what I do if I have information on the UFO's interest in our nuclear programs I'll have half a dozen a dozen
• 57:30 - 58:00 guys who don't know each other who have not colluded or or synced up their stories to confirm that i've not had anyone confirm his presence there at that time and what he actually saw now I think he probably saw something he was there a short time mhm so what he might have been provided was part information and part disinformation and a controlled leak happened I think to gaslight okay so let me explain how very
• 58:00 - 58:30 sophisticated counter intelligence works again you have information as that's the sweet candy on the outside but then quite unwittingly I think he could have been given some false information because things were beginning to come out and they wanted to to gaslight people off the path he admits that he says maybe I because he was forced to drink a liquid and then he was given information that looked like the same information Rick Dodie gave Linda Molton How and Paul Benowitz in 79 happens all
• 58:30 - 59:00 the time happens all the time interesting yeah so you think like that's what's so tough about this topic is there's always disinfo riddled in the info and then you but that's been that's been my job is to pull that together i call it the disclosure matrix or the disclosure mosaic actually the mosaic is like you want to create a accurate picture and you have to get a thousand piece billion pieces it's just so hard and put it together it's so hard to talk about because even like I you know
• 59:00 - 59:30 bringing up the Majestic 12 that's like seen as a joke but then you could say oh maybe James Jesus Angleton who's running counter intel for the program for decades actually kind of pushed this and there were there were elements of you know falsifiable things sprinkled in to some that's what I think you know yeah I know but like but then you say it but it has this like jokey connotation MJ12 like come on MJ12 you know it's a it's a great tactic but look that whole operation everyone says military intelligence is an oxymoron
• 59:30 - 60:00 it isn't i mean there there are some incredibly brilliant people particularly in these scops dealing with this what's your process and they're very very slick and they're very good how do you know so like somebody you know like Randy Anderson who I've interviewed who you know said he was taken down to an underground facility you know at Crane Indiana and he he again came to you first and so I want you should have you should be given a lot of credit for all these whistleblowers who were coming out
• 60:00 - 60:30 um or Jake Barber who said he was red teaming you initially he came to kind of infiltrate your camp how do you verify that somebody is you know actually has your best interest at heart and is being truthful to you cuz for me it on just being very real often it's like vi I think I've gotten certain things wrong and I think I I just try to you know uh uh sus out people's energy but then also obviously look for as much cross corroboration that isn't correlated with
• 60:30 - 61:00 the source but like I have to have you know a certain percentage of humility where it's like I've probably gotten things wrong before and so absolutely you feel the same way or do you look the 1997 briefings we did for Congress off off site at the hotel we had somebody made it very far into that process mhm who uh and thank God my military adviser and uh and and uh I think it was Edgar Mitchell and one of my other
• 61:00 - 61:30 whistleblowers were at the bar with this guy late one night the night before we had the meeting for Congress and the day before we had had a gathering so all these whistleblowers could get to know each other create an aspree decor you know kind of make them feel safe because they're all doing it together because it's scary mh and um this this guy that we thought was legit started paddling on with some absolutely provable false information and some of his information was true but he was going to fold in and
• 61:30 - 62:00 embellish it into things that were false mhm and I got a knock on the door at 3:00 a.m and said "This guy is putting in stuff that we absolutely know his fault." I said "Ask him to go home." So I pulled him out of the meeting so guy the guy hates my guts right because he this is going to be his thing to stand up from i mean Dan Burton who was chairman of oversight committee uh for the House who was issued a thousand subpoenas for Bill Clinton right during the Monica Lewinsky and all that
• 62:00 - 62:30 nonsense so I said "No he's out." So look yes of course i mean I'm one man but and I have mostly a volunteer team the high place the wellsplaced people but yeah I mean I have I've been gas lit and and deceived and betrayed and ultimately it's like what I was saying ye shall know them by their deeds but what do they do eventually someone's gonna show their ass right and then they're out you know and for me I know it sounds rough you get one bite at that
• 62:30 - 63:00 apple right because what we're dealing with at the level of of say a president or congress or the public information is that this is too important a matter to be allow someone who's in there sort of telling halftruths and this is why I will immediately separate with someone who coingles known false information with information now if they do it unwittingly it's okay as long as they correct it if they're doing it deliberately like Luis Alzando it's a
• 63:00 - 63:30 bridge too far now I'll forgive anything if someone comes clean right what's the daylight between you and Lou Alzando as far as the substance you were because I mean I think you're putting out keep interrupting me but I will tell you if you'll let me finish yeah sure number one he tells people and has told people consistently we don't know what these are now he's changed that a little because he has to then he said they're a threat to the national security the implication being the NHI non-human are
• 63:30 - 64:00 a threat which if that's the case then we're going to go to World War II in a Star Wars fiasco and it's a complete false nar he's kind of walked that back though well he has to because we're going to this is we're done with that and then he would also say we don't have anything that flies like that so like when David Fraver and I first spoke who is the F-18 Hornet pilot and it was a serendipitous meeting because there's a band called Godsmack
• 64:00 - 64:30 that's a heavy metal band yeah and the lead guy Sully Arnas a friend of mine and it turned out he lived across the road from David Fraver ah because his daughter had backed into his mailbox and broke it and they he went "Oh it's David Fraver." Really funny the universe works in strange ways that is a crazy synchronicity so Sully Arna calls me up says this God spat lead singer guy and he and I go "Well really he's your
• 64:30 - 65:00 neighbor?" "Well get him on the horn let's talk." Yes this some years ago and David goes "Oh yeah that was you know it had to be alien." I said "Sir with all due respect that was how the Loheed Skunk works." Really that made the craft yeah that was one of ours and and he is now so FAR because Fraver wouldn't say that now oh he did say so recently but in front of Congress he says I said well they he's been told since then he's corrected so I said no that came out of the Lockheed skunk works it's one of
• 65:00 - 65:30 ours it was something that they did on purpose to see our this global organization to see how our military would react so you think that tic tac was was skunk works wow in the book we're going to give you there's a a a very good account of it from 1967 over Pennsylvania and we have a whistleblower who saw it being offloaded out of a a big ship uh out of the uh in 1991 I believe so yeah that's ours that
• 65:30 - 66:00 was that was And then later very recently a Lockheed executive admitted to David Fraver that was theirs really but I knew that I knew from the first time I saw it I said it was all over CNN i go "That's not extraterrestrial it's one of ours." But but David Fraver feels pretty nononsense to me do you think he's like No he is a totally straightup guy yeah but let me unpack this a little bit if if you'll let me and just stay with me for a minute if you're a if you're a pilot flying jets which are
• 66:00 - 66:30 circa 30s 40s 50s or a guy doing stuff with rockets like Mr musk which is circ 1940s right the V2 that Ver von Brown so a rocket they're fancier now and better computers it's the technology is very old it's a Roman candle a Chinese candle going up and blowing up periodically so this is primitive junk I mean it's all junk so it is compared to what we have
• 66:30 - 67:00 out in these covert programs so you have no foundation to have been read in if you're a F-18 pilot why would you be read into something the president of the United States isn't read into but why wouldn't And so the same is true if you're working for an aerospace company but you're working on the conventional end of it so they're they're not they're saying the truth as they know it and the danger here's the danger i want to get to this big key point
• 67:00 - 67:30 if you don't know there are three major things going on et man-made and this weird stranger thing sort of extradimensional spooky stuff and that they're deliberately being co-mingled to offiscate hide the truth you're going to get it wrong so that is the core of how the psychological warfare operations work because most people and this is from whether you're the president or the
• 67:30 - 68:00 king of England you're not going to know enough unless you've done a huge deep dive into this which has been my task to try to unravel this mess because when I started out I thought everything that went bump in the night was alien i did mhm 90 you know early on and it wasn't until I started having people come forward who said "Oh we piloted these." And then I had guys come forward who had actually been on the abduction squads made to look like aliens whoa and they said "Oh no." You met people who've like
• 68:00 - 68:30 committed those crimes yeah and they feel terrible later in life so if they were very young they were young guys doing it now they're like 70 80 years old they feel terrible about what they did they regret it but they said you know if we talk about this publicly they will absolutely kill us because that's the heart of the secrecy it's the mind control stuff the sort of psychological world let they want everyone to believe there's a threat from out there because the card they want to play that Veron Brown warned about on his deathbed to my friend Carol Rosen was they want to
• 68:30 - 69:00 create an alien threat to unite the world in this sort of dystopian not a golden age but a dark age of militaristic totalitarianism so if Lou and his guys move in that direction I got to call it out and people say "Well you're you're not very friendly." I said 'N no i said 'We got to protect the human future i mean where are we going to end up and where's the end of this algorithm going you run this algorithm like they're doing it oh we don't have any craft like that because
• 69:00 - 69:30 they don't want the National Military Command structure to know that something they encounter like Mr fraver did was ours and therefore they'll say "Oh it's alien oh therefore we're going to engage in this war this is how you start wars this is how you get in disasters like after 9/11 when we went into Iraq and and Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with that." And he didn't have the weapons of mass destruction this is how you connect the next big war this is what happened with COVID they took a
• 69:30 - 70:00 dangerous virus it got loose and then they shut the world down even though the World Health Organization admits now that was a big public health mistake so the problem becomes this being mishandled by this president and Congress because this all going to come out in the next year or two will be a thousand times worse than with the mishandling of COVID or 9/11 so we we're I'm out of we're out of time to get the information out in a truthful way but a truth that can lead to a future that is a golden era of peace
• 70:00 - 70:30 prosperity a pristine planet that gets fixed the end of poverty and peace here and in space you cannot have peace on Earth and engage in war in space i would hope agreed well I would I would But that's Stop yeah but it's the people that you're talking about it's the inescapable conclusion of what they're saying opens the pathway to that this
• 70:30 - 71:00 see protecting the human future and consciousness of of what kind of world we're going to have that's actually my central mission it's not the disclosure project i would hope that if David Fraver got told by a locked exec hey this is one of ours he would come clean about well my assistant can look it up i think it did come out somewhere okay interesting but that Yeah that makes me uh uh disappointed in favor if that happens because I would love for him to No no he's he's his view no wait see that's wrong okay don't be
• 71:00 - 71:30 impetuous i'm trying not to be don't be impetuous you have people who speak the truth as they know it right but they're only given So he didn't trust the Lockheed executive he He's hearing other sources telling him other things no no i'm saying before that his comments what he said but I I would hope that you'd then he'd then correct the record he'd then say I think he probably has by now oh interesting but I think he has i mean he's a stand-up guy mhm seems like it to
• 71:30 - 72:00 me yeah and and u the problem is many of these people who are great guys get intercepted by people who are slick counter inelligence operatives anybody else you think is a bad actor look it doesn't matter here here's what the here it for for your audience keep it simple if they're denying that we have these objects they're either uninformed or they're disinforming you deliberately mhm if they say there's a threat from
• 72:00 - 72:30 these objects from out that are not ours mhm now the ones that are man-made huge threat to national security because they're not under the control of the US military legal military or White House or Congress very dangerous if they say that the aliens are here for some malevolent purpose there may be things from other dimensions that are quite malevolent and those deliberately get mixed in with the aliens but no they're
• 72:30 - 73:00 not because if they were you know it's like what Congressman Bchett said we'd be a a charcoal briquette floating through space because visualize for a moment take what Jake said about because he's been on your show i'll reference him so he's been a site where we've targeted these ETcraft and down them now I know I've been at multiple sites where this is going on and and I know where they are around the world they're in the briefing document I gave you
• 73:00 - 73:30 there's a map now they have electromagnetic pulse weapons so an electromagnetic pulse is like when you explode an atomic bomb right and there's a pulse that goes out that can knock out your whole electric grid it's a nuke without the nuke but we have taken the nuke without the nuke but embedded within that is something called a scalar signal scalar Tesla described it it's basically instead of electromagnetic is a waveform like this
• 73:30 - 74:00 right and coherent light is a is a laser where you sync up the wavelength instead of it being you know waves like this like on oscilloscope a scalar is a point that goes out longitudinally faster than the speed of light so there is a scalar part within the EMP signal that is very disruptive to interstellar communications and travel
• 74:00 - 74:30 this is why after we detonated the first atomic bomb the ETSs came in on force in in mass because it they it not only signal that we were in trouble that we could go to a point where we could destroy all life on Earth but they also it disrupted their systems do you think Reagan's Star Wars the strategic defense initiative had anything to do with UFO crash retrievals oh sure it was just a front it was a black budget front so the the
• 74:30 - 75:00 the whole Star Wars thing and Brilliant Pebbles was just an expensive boondoggle most of the money for that went into these black projects wow the illegal black projects we'll get into that in a minute so but what I'm saying here is that these technologies have been operational since the late 40s so don't see everyone's fighting the last war m we figured out I mean Tesla T
• 75:00 - 75:30 Towns and Brown 20s 30s 40s I mean Tesla was killed in 43 mhm right but so the there were massive breakthroughs in electromagnetism and things that are to this day still covert those began to be weaponized and they realized hey there are these craft that are from here let's get see if we can knock some down and reverse engineer them the the problem is doing so is an act of war because
• 75:30 - 76:00 we're targeting them now civilizations that are 10 to the 6th to 10 to the 8th years more advanced than we are 100,000 to 10 million years more advanced if they were hostile we would have been done august 1945 over folks hey kids you're done right they're not i know this from having had contact and everyone I know who's been on a crash retrieval team like Jake who's had a close encounter
• 76:00 - 76:30 with the consciousness of those beings they are not well the bad the bad ones might not want to destroy us they might want to enslave us or Oh you're so brainwashed i'm just saying i'm just hypothesizing i don't know you read you you look at too much nonsense man i mean look if they none of that that could be done with a flick of a switch if they wanted to turn this planet into a automaton planet of whatever i mean what do you think you know I mean the technologies are so advanced you know
• 76:30 - 77:00 this this book is amazing by the way and I I do recommend everybody read it and buy it because it's it's a treasure trove of excellent documentation uh across decades one guy in this book is a really interesting fellow named Bob Beckwith and Bob Beckwith wrote about levitation uh teleportation and time travel and he also claimed to be involved with the Philadelphia experiment in 1942 i knew him so you knew Bob Beck with Oh yeah wow and and my military adviser was on his board of directors for his company so who because
• 77:00 - 77:30 you hear so the Philadelphia experiment for the audience is you know that you have this this uh ship uh this naval ship stationed I believe at Philadelphia happened in Rhode Island that was the cover story that's a long well let's hear it cuz I so and then here's what's really interesting that this you might not know about because this is as of this last month um there's a guy named Harold Malmgrren and he is a presidential adviser for JFK LBJ Nixon and and Ford and he has come out he's been tweeting a bunch about uh things
• 77:30 - 78:00 that he learned in that capacity and and getting briefed by Richard Bissell who is the deputy director of the CIA who basically founded Area 51 on quote unquote otherworld technologies yes he said that a contact of his a high level intel contact of his from abroad talked to him about classified work that Tesla and Towns and Brown did on submarines together you have uncovered collaboration between Nola Tesla and Thomas Townsen Brown yeah but I said to
• 78:00 - 78:30 you informally I did not get that from any US source what source did you get it from foreign intelligence do you think it is a good source do you think it's real no reason why would somebody tell me that and so I wonder because I I always thought the Philadelphia experiment was kind of quacky even though I've gone very deep on Towns of Brown i think there's a lot to Towns of Brown stuff oh yeah brilliant yeah brilliant yeah an
• 78:30 - 79:00 amazing figure and also that for the people that say "Oh it's all electrogravitics and it's not you know and there's no ET component or there's no UFO component." He had a UFO interaction that inspired the rest of his work at the age of 17 so did Tesla and his mentor uh Dr walder Russell there you go the Swanoa Institute my house in Virginia is 10 minutes from Swanoa oh amazing that's so cool weird coinc now you have Terrence Howard uh
• 79:00 - 79:30 carrying the mantle of uh Walter Russell um but so do you think anything happened in the Philadelphia experiment and what was your interaction with Bob Beckwith like can we do we have time travel you know I mean he knew the stuff I already knew what I didn't know is what I wanted him to share with me uhhuh so he had invented something called a nutrino light detector and now let me explain what that is you know um a nutrino you can Google what nutrino is but these subatomic particles and
• 79:30 - 80:00 whatnot but what he had invented was a detector that would pick up nutrino light a burst of nutrino he got a national security order from the NRO National Reconnaissance Office that runs all the super secret spy satellites so they could seize that technology to put it on the SATs because what that's used for is when a nonhuman craft moves out of let's call it transdimensional
• 80:00 - 80:30 spaceime into 3D there's a burst of this nutrino light that enables them to pick that up triangulate it and strike the craft to down it wow so it's a part of a weapon detection system and so this genius Beckwith but he never got to utilize it because it got seized now we have a witness who came forward Eric Hecker a couple years ago who worked for Rathon and they were put in a nutrino light system a mile under the ice at the
• 80:30 - 81:00 South Pole true and so one of the prime bad actors in all this is Rathon and um you know along with North Grum and Lockheed Skunkworks and others and he said that caused the Christ Church earthquake in New Zealand hecker did when they flipped it on the first time because who knows if they got the frequencies right so it's both an active and passive system it can pick up these objects when they let's say step down out of transdimensional spaceime into 3D but they can also be an active weapon
• 81:00 - 81:30 system a carrier for hitting them at very very powerful pulses so this is the other problem if you're in the national military command structure and you're not read in to the technologies that this clandestine criminal organization has you're behind the curve very badly and my coming of age on that was first with the director of the CIA for Clinton then in
• 81:30 - 82:00 1997 well and many other people but in 97 I briefed the J2 the head of intelligence joint staff Admiral Wilson mhm and you may know about that a memo leaked out from Eric Davis and I know a lot about it well I was the briefer so I was in charge of the stand-up briefing yeah it was supposed to be 45 minutes went on for two or three hours and the admiral kept cancelling meetings but prior to the meeting my military adviser who knew him he had been a senior naval
• 82:00 - 82:30 intelligence guy good guy wonderful guy got uh a briefing document to the admiral and materials prior to our meeting and based on that Admiral Wilson was able to run to ground and find some offices where these operations were going on he knew nothing about it and he was the head of intelligence for the joint chiefs of staff meaning you're putting the the equivalent of the presidential daily briefing intelligence brief together like the director of CIA does for the president or DNI does uh but for the
• 82:30 - 83:00 joint chiefs of staff he had no knowledge of the subject and when he began to hit pay dirt he got threatened he was threatened with being demoted and taking a star off his lapel which means a huge pay cut in retirement and by the time I got to the meeting he was a combination of furious and scared all right so which I've seen this a thousand times i call it P disclosure PTSD
• 83:00 - 83:30 which we all have right it's serious stuff and I mean if you have that level of responsibility you find out this is going on a whole universe of this and you're in charge of the security of the United States and most of the free world speaking of scary right so so the meeting went on for a long time but you know one of the existential things at the end of it was I said "Well we really need your help." Now this is 28 years
• 83:30 - 84:00 ago in April it's 97 we really need your help fixing this problem he says "Well I don't have access i've been denied access." And they flat out said "You don't have a need to know." to which he said I I think paraphrasing if I don't who does I'm the head of intelligence joint staff head of J2 it blew him off so the problem became I I said look he said who else have you briefed who not
• 84:00 - 84:30 being allowed to know or control this or the I didn't meet with Clinton personally but the president the CIA director and the secretary of defense Cohen and a bunch of other people and oh my god I said yes now you know how big the problem is it's an existential constitutional crisis much bigger crisis for the United States and China Russia Iran Middle East no one's doing anything about it it's dangerous that no one's doing anything about it if anyone's listening with the administration this should be on your
• 84:30 - 85:00 front burner not on the back burner speaking of the administration bizarre connection between Donald Trump the sitting president and the Philadelphia experiment is Exactly there's not a lot of archival footage of John Trump who was the basically uh country's lead in radar at the time at MIT brilliant guy mit and was tasked with going into the FBI vault that had confiscated all of Tesla's files and looking at whether any of that
• 85:00 - 85:30 would be of service to national security yep and so do you think Donald Trump due to that might have some special knowledge on this matter i don't I don't think his uncle would have ever shared that with his his it's like my my uncle who was with North of Grumman you know the things he told me about were the things I working on the thing that landed on the moon mhm in ' 69 when in the late 50s we had things that could go to the moon and back without a rocket right but I I if he knew about it
• 85:30 - 86:00 I don't think he would have even told me about that because everyone knows that lethal forces use north of Grumman have wet works people who kill people so does Loheed so does Rathon so I mean these are thugs and you know Grush's guys the guys who kind of sent him out to look into this three years ago when I got pulled into the skiff at the Senate Intelligence Committee first thing I said is that you're dealing with thugs here think of the mafia on super
• 86:00 - 86:30 steroids it's the largest criminal corrupt organization in the history known history of the earth period and they have the technology and the means to make your life a living hell which mine has been since 1992 but I I said "Just be prepared because I'm I believe in informed consent as a doctor right?" So I said "You have no idea what you're walking into here." And boy within a day or two of that meeting the main investigator for Senate
• 86:30 - 87:00 intelligence had two Blackhawks over his house unmarked and he had access to all flight plans no flight plans over his house shaking the house with his four children in it with this guy looking out with the death stare like you're a dead man staring at him so it's a very dangerous business not if you're talking nonsense if you're spreading false information half information disinformation no one's going to care
• 87:00 - 87:30 but if you're actually getting to the truth like that man was for Senate Intelligence because he was assigned to the co-chair and chair of Senate Intelligence to get to the bottom of this Rubio who's now Secretary of State i tell people they're going to throw what they can at you to intimidate you right so you know this is I mean for a lot of people it's a freaking hobby but the when you get cut through all that it's deadly serious stuff but you know most people they're
• 87:30 - 88:00 not going to make it that far because what's going to happen they're going to start on this path and very quickly they're going to be intercepted by really professionally well-trained counter intelligence people and they're going to go off the mark i believe to this day that's what that's that's Ellando's job that's Chris Melon's job that's uh you know frankly Halputo off's job on energy that's that's their job is to divert people into that dead end culde-sac i believe that would be sad
• 88:00 - 88:30 about how cuz I love I love how so I hope that's not the case but well I know for a fact that I mean he has to do what he's doing okay his one of his closest friends is on my team i know exactly what they said and what they did to get him to do what he's been doing the only you know the So this is interesting i did you know I came up with I'm sorry i mean I I'm at the point that I don't think people the PE Here's what I think yeah i said this to your producer or friend before we came in here yeah there this the the folks who know about this
• 88:30 - 89:00 they need to come clean truthfully soon because there is moving through the system the ability for a law enforcement entity I can't name that I'm providing intel to to go to these folks get their information interrogate them and god forbid they lie they're going to prison the rest of their life this is getting very serious right now so people need to either be quiet and not lie or speak the truth and this is it is I am making an
• 89:00 - 89:30 explicit advisory here well I I I love that message and I you know I made this deep dive on Thomas Towns and Brown i think he's this amazing figure who deserves to be vindicated and right before I did it um Eric Davis got in touch with me and was like Townsen Brown is a a phony and I was I had known enough at that point he's counter intelligence i didn't I so I don't know but you know that oh I've known that since early 2000s 90 i mean yes oh man
• 89:30 - 90:00 such a bummer cuz all these guys are you know there's so much brain power and so it's a Yes but think about it uhhuh you're going to put really good people out there to carry the water to mis misdirect what have you look you know put if put my I can put myself in anyone's shoes mhm i'm going to put myself in the shoes of sort of the ruling pilot bureau of this covert group you're going to send people out who are very well trained some of them go through something called the farm which
• 90:00 - 90:30 where they're professionally trained to lie pass lie detectors da da da they're very well trained at social engineering i'm your best friend trust me wink wink and then gaslight you to misdirect you so none of that surprises me it's what you would expect if you took seriously what Wilbur Smith said in the 1950 document it's in the briefing document that was top secret from the Canadian government that I think accidentally got declassified and he said you know about
• 90:30 - 91:00 us reverse engineering the ET craft but one of his conclusions was he said no not a conclusion he was told directly that this issue was more secret than the development of the hydrogen bomb two levels higher uh and that was in 1950 two years before we had it and that was that is how seriously the secrecy is because they were trying to figure out the opus operande the modus operande of the ET craft which means how they
• 91:00 - 91:30 operate that is and they had not done that yet see it was 54 is when they had the breakthrough this is 50 so if you're trying to keep something like this secret you're going to deploy every asset you can up to and including the president of the United States right never mind putting out to no offense people new to the subject who have no intel background where you can gaslight people over and over again and that's true whether it's you Joe Rogan ABC News 60 Minutes
• 91:30 - 92:00 whoever it is so that's the that is the Achilles heel of disclosure is that for every great person who comes forward trying to tell the truth there are 10 people who are going to say part truth part part fiction and so I'm just saying that I'm becoming less and less patient with that i used to be a lot more diplomatic than I am now like man I'm getting old and crotchety well I'm just out of surgery too so yeah it's pretty
• 92:00 - 92:30 impressive well I mean I have a little bit um some pain i I don't take any opioids or or or narcotics i'm amazed well I I wouldn't let him give me even going into surgery i said "No give me some toridol non-steroidal." And it's incredible well to this day RFK Jr Robert F kennedy Jr oh he's great he's amazing and he's in the current administration uh as as FDA or Health and Human Services right or HHS yeah he uh says that his father was not killed by Sir
• 92:30 - 93:00 Han Sirhan but by this guy Eugene Thain Caesar who I believe was a skunk works security guard or something we look you know I have a letter it may be in the book it's in our archive and it was his dad Yeah writing to um a uh a UFO researcher back in ' 68 it's dated one month before they killed him wow and he it said it opens saying I'm a
• 93:00 - 93:30 card excuse me it it says I'm a card carrying member of the amalgamated uh Flying Saucer Association of America there was such a thing i went "Oh my god what I so iconoclastic an anacronism." And I go "Wow." You know and I get this letter and so I you know years ago I ran into RFK Jr at Sundance and 50 Cent was play i was given a talk and RFK Jr had
• 93:30 - 94:00 had done documentary about mountaintop removal mining coal mining in West Virginia what a environmental disaster and um called the the last mountain i think it was called the last mountain it was great um and I told him just briefly because we were in this crowd I have a letter from your dad about this UFO issue dated a month before they killed him wow and that's why because if he he was going to get the nominee nation and he would have won but his dad was super
• 94:00 - 94:30 interested in this and also I'm convinced knew that his brother RF Jack Kennedy the president was killed over this you think he he was killed over UFOs specifically oh yes so the the data points that I have around that are I believe I don't know if this letter is real maybe you would know if this letter is real there's a there's a letter dated November 12th 1963 10 days before he died to John McCone john McCone is the acting CIA director because he had just fired Dulles right and McCone also was
• 94:30 - 95:00 the former uh head of the Atomic Energy Commission so he would probably know a little a thing or two about the UFO issue oh he would have and JFK is saying to John McC we need uh to coordinate better with the Soviets on this issue of quote unquote unknowns in Soviet airspace so they don't mistake these unknowns as acts of American aggression exactly yeah could trigger World War II so do you think that letter is real i don't know the provenance of it i think it likely is it comports with the facts
• 95:00 - 95:30 but here's the other thing we have a man whose interview we have on the audio tape named Bill Holden who was the chief steward for Air Force One when Kennedy was flying over to Berlin where he gave the famous I am a Berliner speech and I I debriefed this man and on that flight he brought there were some papers and on one of the papers there had been a big UFO sighting uh that was on and and uh so he brought this up to the President Kennedy and Kennedy said and the man broke in the tears when he said this
• 95:30 - 96:00 kennedy turned to him and says "I know this is true and I know these are real but the whole matter is out of my hands and I don't know why." He admitted he had no control over the issue wow which is why he fired Dulles because Eisenhower had lost control in the late 50s that extended into the Kennedy era and really no president except people who have been part of that organization like George HW Bush Dick Cheney by extension W have really had any control
• 96:00 - 96:30 over it and or any detailed knowledge of it the current president has virtually no knowledge it's fascinating and and uh so President Clinton you know his his his friend of his Webster Hubble who was in the Department of Justice wrote a book um forget the name of the book um and in it he admits that he and the president were trying to get to the bottom of a couple things one of them was who killed Jack Kennedy and why and what's going on with UFOs of course
• 96:30 - 97:00 they're related and then something about Marilyn Monroe and of course I have a CIA document that's top secret not been declassified um that describes James Jesus Engleton signed it wow that's a basic It's in the briefing document it's a wire tap of Marilyn Monroe in ' 62 a couple days before they killed her threatening to hold a press conference and that's a real document oh it is that's insane yeah oh it's real i know
• 97:00 - 97:30 the guy who took it out of the vault from NSA he's an NSA guy i got folks who now people say "Why aren't you arrested?" I said because once we briefed all these people like at the level of the president and senate oversight committees and we concluded Mhm that these programs were being run illegally outside the constitution we declared them all illegal therefore anyone listening if you're in those operations or have been they cannot prosecute you
• 97:30 - 98:00 for going around your non-disclosure agreements if you bring out documents tapes material they're open source and I will release them because all that material and I've told Jake this are being have been accumulated under an illegal operation abusing the National Security Act and National Security Provisions when they are in fact have no protections so we need to flip the table here instead of these whistleblowers being prosecuted or
• 98:00 - 98:30 people being killed for trying to get the truth out we flip it around where US law enforcement operating legally under the Constitution go after the bad actors right so that's this is where it's going to have to go and I think it needs to be non-kinetic not violent but it needs to be done by any means necessary but if this is the foundation I want to unpack this a little bit the foundation of disclosure project so not in this book
• 98:30 - 99:00 but in our archive is what's called a UNOD unless otherwise directed it's a military technique used that you write to a a senior person and it says unless otherwise directed this is my assessment and this is what I'm going to do they don't have to write back because then there's no there's no there's plausible deniability to a sync a commander-in-chief or you know a fourstar or something and it's used and so my military advisor said you know what we need to do this is by 90 late
• 99:00 - 99:30 97 and after the debacle with Admiral Wilson and finding out we had one data point after another after another that this was an illegal unsanctioned rogue criminal organization at that point I said "Well we need to declare it as such and therefore we need to visiate everyone's non-disclosure agreements so they can come forward." That's what we did so that is 1997 i put a I think a two or three month clock on it so I said "Unless we're notified
• 99:30 - 100:00 otherwise our assessment is that these programs are illegal corrupt and unconstitutional based on the following facts the president has been denied access the CI director was denied access the head of intelligence joint chiefs of staff and other senior flag officers have been denied access senior members of the Senate and House oversight relevant committees have been denied access because by then I had met with all that personally this is not internet
• 100:00 - 100:30 Google crap conspiracy theory stuff so at that point of course it flipped my whole world upside down as a doctor but I said "No at this point we're declaring these illegal." And so if you're someone at Lockheed Northrup Rathon CIA DoD NSA the whole alphabet soup FBI and you know about this you want to come forward they can't touch you m now the good news is
• 100:30 - 101:00 now there's a law enforcement entity that is going to extend immunity to them and will protect them so we have that in place right now so anyone listening contact me we will keep your name look 80% of everyone's ever come to me they're in our archive blackened out and redacted right for a reason because I don't disclose someone's name unless they say I'm willing to come forward like Michael Herrera willing to come forward so he did mhm he's the only
• 101:00 - 101:30 person I ever have met who saw something like that who lived to tell the tale it's unbelievable that Carrera wasn't killed it's an an amazing story and a true one we've had three separate senior intel and military people confirm that so for for the audience this guy was uh part of Operation Katana and he was supposed to go to the Philippines his unit was diverted this Marine Corps unit was diverted put put in Indonesia they see this eightgon gun octagon uh Vantablack craft hovering above the
• 101:30 - 102:00 treetops they're closed in on by these seemingly S1 special forces they don't know if it's special forces but nondescript uh uh guys who are very smooth with their guns and they have bioscanners and all this kind of you know high-tech yep and um he later learns from Jake Barber that this was maybe a human trafficking operation yeah and that uh they were putting these psionic assets these people who were meant to be shipped back to the US psionic assets in other words they were
• 102:00 - 102:30 people who had been identified with the uh predisposition to have those psionic abilities and those were being created up and moved back to some covert places where they'd be screened tested if they passed a certain level then they would go through a rigorous training program most of them end up in comas or die by the way but the ones that survive are very good at what they're doing but they're basically human tools for this these really evil
• 102:30 - 103:00 covert programs to essentially hack into these uh non-human craft communication systems that are interfacing with thought and consciousness do you think there it's like a super high-end version of Neuralink and move them over into range and hit them with an electromagnetic pulse weapon there are rumors that like the the show on Netflix Stranger Things is like real and that Oh of course i've talked about all that stuff for years montalk and gifted and talented
• 103:00 - 103:30 education programs that I recently met with a pretty senior person in uh government who I'll anonymize because I don't think he wants to be on record on this but he mentioned um a link between Battel Memorial Institute and these gifted and talented education system and the cabal running these UFO programs which is that is that is one of the people one of the in institutes on our list of Yeah and they manage all the nuclear sites all over the US and so if they're uh and what's interesting is you
• 103:30 - 104:00 often hear stories of people making it past checkpoints in these gifted and talented education programs where you prove that you have you know some mind matter capabilities and then you get to the next thing and then they'll show you a piece of material and who would have the material would be battel memorial institute so I amongst others i mean look there are many there's a whole military-industrial complex component to this right there institutes there all kinds of foundations there you know it
• 104:00 - 104:30 it sort of is is it's it's like a metastatic cancer that's gone because look they have a lot of money to spread around yeah you know I I met with a man in 1997 before uh I was over at the meeting with the CI director in DC who said "We have given at least 10,000 people $10 million each or more to secure their cooperation with what we're doing." Now that was that was 28 years ago so and I know he said at least so I said "Yeah I'm sure." So you
• 104:30 - 105:00 know what's your price and if you have the ability to either be troublesome to them you're either going it's like uh Gordon uh that guy who used to publish uh Flying Saucer magazine gordon Cooper no not Gordon Cooper kiteon uh oh Gordon Katon yeah yeah he I interviewed him he's one of our witnesses cuz he had been military intelligence and he published this and you know all that
• 105:00 - 105:30 used to go over to the palace and um Prince Philip was very keen on on all of this i've heard that oh I know for a fact yeah and so because I know that the people involved so he said um if you become too worrisome as you see this interview is in our archive there's certain people who they will erase or do whatever so you know I think people kind of way underestimate the reach of this organization and to extent it has
• 105:30 - 106:00 operative embedded but of course the grand conspiracy theories are false also Bohemian Grove you know what maybe two of those guys know anything about this trilateral Commission maybe two or three do I think so I think that one of the problems with these conspiracy theories is that they're not nuanced and they're all pretty dumb from the point of view is you can't keep something like this this secret with a huge number of people knowing the number of people read in or read on to anything like this in any
• 106:00 - 106:30 detail is going to be very very tightly controlled but those assets well trained well compensated wellplaced and so look I mean you know and and they don't mind killing one of their own you know when Bill KBY who had been read into this tried to get a zero point device to us and about just a small amount like $50 million in seed money in 95 i think the the week he was going to meet with a member of my board they
• 106:30 - 107:00 found him floating down the the river south of DC made to look like a canoeing accident and his wife knew that he had been killed do you know the Stan Meyer story i think you talk about it in your movie The Lost Century uh just like a car that like ran on water and like he did is is that so was he taken he died of an aneurysm and do do you think he act is that real or his twin brother who we've met with and who is really the electronics guy behind all that Stan
• 107:00 - 107:30 Meyer's twin Steve um absolutely is convinced he was poisoned and killed and you think that that well we have 150 substances that can kill people or poison them you know so what about pawns fleshman the you know they fusion yeah cold fusion exactly I never met them i certainly they were on to something and I know people who did much more souped up versions of that all those devices have ended up being confiscated or the people
• 107:30 - 108:00 erased um the guys who bought Stan Meyer's archive and all his devices um we were trying to get it but we didn't have the funding it went to an engineering group uh up in Michigan and uh there was a a man who I didn't know what the m who the money was behind that mhm so my science advisor Dr loader went and saw this warehouse full of floppy disc and devices but he had one thing of great
• 108:00 - 108:30 interest we have a picture of it it's in our archive dpiarchchive.com and it looks like a sort of a tooidal electromagnetic it had a a magnetically charged fluid in it and it was a complete free energy system so it had a national security order slapped on it way back but it was sitting there to acquire and we were going to try to get it and then open source it because you know memo to Peter Teal and everyone else if you try to patent this or or or
• 108:30 - 109:00 release it in the normal let's just say traditional venture capital way it'll never get out ever you have to dump it open source off blockchain to a two three billion people all at once that's my belief i mean like well there's no way we know i mean this is the whole point of the law century was to prove I meet with these kind of geniuses i just met Yeah yeah with a Fortune10 company senior scientist a couple weeks ago uhhuh and he came to LA to meet with me
• 109:00 - 109:30 uhhuh i was on there's a podcast Sweetest Lady EverHu named uh Kloe Kardashian he was so she's so sweet and she just released yesterday a podcast I did with her but she she was so much fun so sweet yeah she loves your work yeah i had never met her um she's very very kind and beautiful person really smart I thought very smart but she um uh so I
• 109:30 - 110:00 was out there this guy flies in super genius he can build uh over free energy plasma things he can do teleportation but the major corporation he works for aim do it so he wants to work with us bring it out and he he I I said look don't try to do it through patent you have to open source it but if you open source it and you have a reach of a few hundred thousand people no one cares so I have a network of various influencers
• 110:00 - 110:30 and celebrities and can get it to two three billion people all at once in which case you squeeze the toothpaste out of the tube so hard can't put it back in so these fascists that want to keep us dependent on earth destroying energy systems forever you just say adios now what I he has the ability to build things that teleport and levitate i said nope don't touch those so so where I think that people in the administration I've spoken to are are
• 110:30 - 111:00 mirroring that what I'm saying about to tell you and that is this needs to get disclosed we need to do it in a way where there's a pathway for the people involved to come clean but not be imprisoned and not be executed mhm because an eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind mhm now if you go back to 93,45 you'll see what I wrote to the Clinton administration it was the same set of recommendations hardcore people in disclosure say "Oh we should round
• 111:00 - 111:30 them up and Nuremberg." I said "No these guys are holding technologies that are to trump card against everything the Pentagon has." Yeah and plenty of them are just taking orders under threats of you know their families lives yes i mean we have to have compassion for that but even the worst of the actors Mhm they either need to come forward or put on a leash right and sto stood down now to do that you're going to have to have a group of people who are special forces trained and that's the other part of
• 111:30 - 112:00 this we can talk about carefully interesting so is there there's a plan maybe to do that oh oh yes it's already been in place for about a year and a half two years that we So what does that does that involve storming Area 51 and Dougway and the right pad or what what does this involve literally wow okay well they either capitulate to the legal government of the United States or they're declared treasonous operations and then they're put under proper authority and oversight don't
• 112:00 - 112:30 they have the secret weapons that can like aren't aren't we unmatched that's the reason so let me finish the story with Admiral Wilson we keep getting diverted so at the very end of the meeting he said to me he's I asked him "Can you help?" He says "Well I he is a B2 stealth bomber that I know about." Mhm and you're and I have learned he didn't say not what from me but what I've learned directly is that there's an organization that have things
• 112:30 - 113:00 that can do circles the man-made UFOs ARVs around my B2 still so he says "So it's checkmate it's point set match it's over." I said "No sir we cannot it is David the entire United States legal United States of America constitutional government is the David and this organization is the Goliath you remember that which is why so many presidents and so many senators and so many military
• 113:00 - 113:30 guys I've met with they get to the edge of this precipice and they go "God mother of God," and they back off i wonder but there's a way around it okay so where the Achilles heel of that organization is is that their numbers are very thin the subject's coming out and they know the public opinion is going to go against them and then the and because their numbers are thin they they can be overwhelmed in a
• 113:30 - 114:00 tactical operation the other thing is their opsects are very good operational security but they cannot withstand the full force of a serious quote investigation and operation tactical operation now what they do have is technological superiority and that can be visiated through some technologies I don't want to talk about where basically you can go in and
• 114:00 - 114:30 neutralize it's fire against fire but I'll just tell you you can go in and neutralize the facility without a bomb and it deal again it deals with electromagnetic systems that are advanced scalar systems and you know there's a a scientist who talked at our 2023 uh conference right before the national press club event we did where Herrera spoke and u he was a senior GE uh physicist and scientist who specializes
• 114:30 - 115:00 in scalar So look we have assets where I could say "All right go in you know so you could just you know their man-made UFOs and all their other stuff can neutralize it." That's all I'm going to say but I'm just saying that you have to have an executive order from the president to provide the protections to these high value whistleblowers you need personal security you need to authorize uh a law enforcement operation
• 115:00 - 115:30 both KONOS and OKONOS United States and outside continental United States it's OKONUS which can be done and then you need to fund it it'd be you know classified funding and then you also need to have a pathway for when you acquire all this material out of Doug Way and the Edwards complex and Lockheed Skunk Works underground and Northrup's underground and Rathons what do you do with it and
• 115:30 - 116:00 are we're recommending the stuff that flies is kept secret in terms of it being it has to be acknowledged we have it we all know we have thermonuclear weapons but you can't go to Ace Hardware store and buy one so it it has to get acknowledged properly but we just say right now the world is too unstable to let every 10p dictator or terrorist in the world have something that can go from Mogadishu to DC in 3 minutes and
• 116:00 - 116:30 drop a dirty bomb right there are valid national security concerns about some of these technologies and the world is not at that place the world is at the place where something that could sit on this table that would run this building without pollution can we can we and there there what happens then the the Malthian problem gets fixed malthusian Malthusian the Malthusian problem gets fixed because you have something where you're going to
• 116:30 - 117:00 eliminate in about 20 years global poverty much of terrorism and radicalization is the have and have not problem and because we're so narcissistic and self turned inward looking in America we don't realize three billion people on the planet don't even have energy to cook their food it's why they're chopping down the rainforest or chopping down the brush in the de and the deserts keep growing because it's like a pack locusts that are just
• 117:00 - 117:30 ripping everything out but it's because of the severe mind-numbing inhumane uh I tell Christians uncchristian poverty that we've improve imposed but that's based on the energy system you're never going to fix it with wind and solar ever or with a plug-in electric car it's never going to get fixed now these new technologies will fix that it'll fix the biosphere fix pollution end poverty stabilize geopolitically now
• 117:30 - 118:00 they're going to be losers hundreds of trillions of dollars in assets and commodities but again it isn't going to happen like this it's not like downloading an app these are heavy industries it's going to take at least 15 to 20 30 years to transition from our current cars and electric grid to what I'm talking about and I don't know that we have 30 years so we need to get going so my point to people is that in in the administration and I had this little
• 118:00 - 118:30 debate with Patrick David on his show is that this you know taking decades to do this could have been done in the 20s30s 40s this is 2025 we have 8 billion people on the planet living like we're like in the 1800s energy wise oil gas coal blah blah blah wind the Dutch had that ages ago okay so we have a little bit of extra nuclear 1940s so are you telling me the whole world has to run on stuff that's 80 to
• 118:30 - 119:00 120 years old this is ridiculous but it benefits a very very tiny oligarch ruling group of people on the planet energy banking petro dollar very I mean we're not again we're not talking about a few hundred billion we're talking about several hundred trillion dollars but if we're destroying the biosphere and and what their solution is well let's just keep diverting people with shiny little problems in
• 119:00 - 119:30 9/11 aliens that are scary see that's the next big thing this is what Vernon this is why when people spread that kind of nonsense I am going to go after them like a goddamn Rottweiler because that is how we end up in World War II that's how we end up in a totalitarian militaristic superstate the opposite of the golden age the opposite of a age of enlightenment the opposite of a sustainable world that's the end of the world as we know it and I tell people
• 119:30 - 120:00 even if there are some ETs that are really are ETSs and not from another dimension or a man-made diversion that are troublesome you think you're going to win that war down the barrel of a gun no you're going to do C5 contact go get the app anyone can get it it works william Shatner has it and did it and went up in space so go get it you know
• 120:00 - 120:30 barber and others will tell you it abs that concept absolutely works because what we have to do is figure out if we're having any kind of conflict is it always going to get solved through a kinetic war well that's the end of the world because you're not dealing with thermonuclear weapons you're dealing with weapons that would make a hydrogen bomb look like a tinker toy m so when you start getting into technologies that can affect spacetime where you could dissociate the basically the material of
• 120:30 - 121:00 an entire planet poof no you don't go there so this is a ser see for most people they look at too much science fiction and Hollywood crap and way too much ufology where it mixes in all these rubbish and false narratives and myths with the truth but if you think about this as a thinking per a really serious person even if there was a civilization or one or two that might be pro troublesome and I don't think there's
• 121:00 - 121:30 any evidence there is but I'm just you can't prove a negative so let's be devil's advocate no I'll be the advocate of what 99% of my colleagues say there are these worrisome aliens that we have to fight and where are you going to fix that how are you going to fix that through a war through conflict well it would last about 0.1 nanoseconds no this is stupid that is a suicide mission so if we're going to be serious about this then we have to think
• 121:30 - 122:00 well even if that were the case and I don't think it is at all neither does Jake because every here's the thing too every man and they've all been men so far who have been operational on those retrieval teams that I've been meeting with back all the way to the early 90s not a single one of them when they encountered a living one said they were anything but very peaceful and very enlightened and and very kind but very concerned about humanity and what we're doing to the
• 122:00 - 122:30 earth and to ourselves and potentially to them because remember now here's let's cut this to the bottom line here the reason we're running out of time is that the technology curve from the 40s to now has gone like that so right now and and and and Jake will admit this the nonhuman ET craft and the really advanced ones from Rathon and some of the other companies are virtually indistinguishable but that also means
• 122:30 - 123:00 the technology that can be weaponized is at that level which means humans this corrupt organization not under the control of the president the Congress and the Pentagon is becoming a threat to other worlds this is where we cross a red line and I've known about it for 30 years and I'm telling people we are right there we're right at that point and that you do not want to cross that red line to a point where there has to be an intervention from out there right but I
• 123:00 - 123:30 think there are people in this crazy corrupt organization this transnational corrupt organization that runs this and a bunch of other stuff who would like to see that because I learned this in 94 from the crown prince of Likenstein Hans Autumn he seems super into this topic he's popped up a few times didn't he take all the Roswell witnesses and and fly them out to Europe and meet with them and so you've met him too and Oh yeah yeah i spent a whole afternoon with
• 123:30 - 124:00 him and he's very No he's part of the organization he is oh he was Opus Day he funded funds Opus Day a really far right-wing group at the Vatican and I spent a lot of time with him but so you like him you find him of pure intention or No no his intention i was going to tell you this listen uhhuh so this long meeting was very disturbing uhhuh and it was at the Pierre Four Seasons in New York there but on Fifth Avenue across from Central Park and um
• 124:00 - 124:30 we had a suite uh we had wanted to meet for a while and I couldn't deconlict my schedule as an emergency doctor and his schedule we finally got together in New York because he was coming to visit Lawrence Rockefeller mhm and so we had this long meeting and he told me he says "The reason I'm funding Bud Hopkins and even back then uh John Mack and some other people is that and um David Jacobs
• 124:30 - 125:00 Mhm is that he had the threat narrative David Jacobs is that we want the public to hate the aliens so bad that we can have an interplanetary war so that we'll have Armageddon so Christ will return i'm quoting that's that agenda so it's an esquetological esquetology is a study how the world ends so from that point of view this instead of having a future a new world if you can take it as the ET
• 125:00 - 125:30 said the Colonel Corso that story it's great a new world that we could go forward for hundreds of thousands of years as an event that's in the world so Christ will come back the Messiah so there's a weird part of this organization that's corrupt that has this firm belief that we have to provoke an interplanetary conflict and that's how the world comes to an end and that's how Christ comes back now when I heard this I just
• 125:30 - 126:00 listened and I was of course horrified and stoaltified i went "What the fuck?" You know WTF and I didn't say it but I just wanted to hear where you know where are you really coming from in the organization you're part of because he was part of that oh sure so he wanted to speed up the end of the world so Christ could re which is why he was funding all the abduction groups and researchers you know I've heard he was funding them because those were the frontline people
• 126:00 - 126:30 so a lot of those were innocent people they would have someone who a CIA special operations team or some other group that had one of these man-made flying saucers or discs would abduct someone that case would then be channeled through a couple cutouts to David Jacobs or Bud Hopkins or John Mack now they didn't know that I was debriefing people who were the ones operating the abduction program that was human same thing with cattle mutilations linda Moon thinks those are aliens no
• 126:30 - 127:00 we're doing that so we're there's all this talk now of disclosures you have uh disclosures around the JFK assassination people want the 911 records they want you know all these things they want Epstein stuff and so uh you know excuse me do you think we get any progress on UFOs and then maybe even the the better question because UFOs are such you know it's so complicated it's this gangly octopus it's so hard to kind of find where the the bodies are buried so to
• 127:00 - 127:30 speak um no it's not well well yeah maybe not so you think it is it's easy well but what I was going to say here's what we're doing the actual intelligence Yeah that they need that that like Mr grush was provided some of that could lead to hitting pay dirt we have a huge amount of it other people I'm working with who are who have been former or current special forces have a lot of it that can be provided to the operation I'm talking about
• 127:30 - 128:00 that's being looked at but that needs an executive order from the pre this is the one pager for the president is that going to happen do you think he's going to listen and and sign an executive order his son seems very into the issue oh Don Jr i spoke with him briefly yeah no they're very interested unfortunately Don Jr got gas lit about a lot of this by Alzando with false information joe Rogan has totally been misled your episode with Rogan got deleted or something well he in order to get his money from Spotify they had to take it out really oh force and it's like when
• 128:00 - 128:30 Sean Ryan had on me show in Herrera shortly after that he got threatened i'm I can't be on that show anymore really am I Am I going to get [ __ ] with no well I mean you don't have the numbers if you had 20 million people maybe I guess that's good or the question is what dirt do they have on you no I think I'm pretty straight up so if you don't care about being bought off with money I'm assuming you have some assets yeah doing all right and yeah so
• 128:30 - 129:00 so if you're if you're not corruptible with money and and if you're not somebody who's going to try to jump the shark by getting on the inside for the technologies is what happened that was Bigalow's Achilles Hill Bob Robert Bigalow and you're not af you know afraid mhm uh and you don't have something they could blackmail you with you know do you think Bob Bigalow has a warehouse with UFOs in um in Vegas no you don't no i can tell you that Colonel
• 129:00 - 129:30 Alexander who was his concigliad that was all set up so that the $22 million that Harry Reid helped get to Bigalow Aerospace to research this would be you b here's what that operation was send the money to that bigalow didn't know this he really did he was innocent it was Alexander who did all the gaslighting send the money to there they get the money the Pentagon thinks they're going to get a serious research effort you might as well have opened the
• 129:30 - 130:00 toilet lid flushed $22 million down to the to the sewer because that was a setup and I spoke to uh General Bob Herbert who was had left the military and was right hand to Senator Reid about this a few years ago during COVID and another senior operative who worked with him and they said to me "We didn't get anything of any value out of all those millions of dollars." I said "No because the person who is actually directing that operation is someone who has been key to covering this up for decades as
• 130:00 - 130:30 part of this rat pack of guys named Colonel Alexander who by the way is the Conciglaria mentor for one Lou Alzando." Okay so look you know I'm not going to mince words with you i know you've gotten all submerged in this stuff and it's all mixed up in your brain but I'm trying to give a little clarity i know I'm a very people hate that I'm so direct about this but you know I'm the kind of I tell people if you have a brain tumor I'm not going to tell you have a migraine right i'm going to say "Hey bro I'm sorry you got a you got a
• 130:30 - 131:00 brain tumor it's got to come out." But that's just how I run i'm a very direct person yeah but the the the so so that operation really was sad because and I really think um what Bigalow wanted to do and I remember meeting with him privately after the Rockefeller uh meeting is that he wanted to get on the inside of the tech and what was really going on with the intelligence community because you know he was a a
• 131:00 - 131:30 Las Vegas billionaire he was a he was an heir to a real estate fortune in Vegas budget suites right with and all that yeah so he had the money so he didn't need the money but he wanted the access so they find what your soft spot is you know where's your soft underbelly some people they just want to get rich some people they just want to get in a position of power some people if they're already rich and powerful they want to get on the inside of this big secret so that's how they got their hooks in him i
• 131:30 - 132:00 warned him of that same thing with Joe Fermage that got pulled in and was this was this tech entrepreneur who got into anti-gravity yeah yeah yeah and he got totally gas lit and pulled into an operation it ruined his life and then he got put in prison for something and I warned him this is going to be an op you're going to spend your money and all this time because he took the same bait he was wealthy and I met with him at the Mars Cafe in South of Market in San Francisco way back in the 90s and I
• 132:00 - 132:30 warned I said "Joe you're gonna you're a mark for these guys." And sure enough that same group of people intercepted him peter Thiel was almost intercepted by some of these people really for energy technology stuff yeah with how put off and some others peter like the guy the guy that I've worked with yeah they were going to get 150 million of his that would be flushed down the toilet how put off no I don't think so yes sir not I was I got a heads up from the the senior most CIA guy and I back
• 132:30 - 133:00 channel that information to Eric Weinstein yeah but we I've met with I because I'm open about this i've brought Howal into the office but it didn't nothing ended up happening so he's he's they're putting him out you know look he's up in his what 80s I guess now yeah it's like a lot of these guys they have to find a a replacement but no he was an operative that was uh uh you know I look I probably his
• 133:00 - 133:30 closest friend ever is on my team and I know the whole backstory same thing with Jacqu Valet great guy brilliant guy but at some point he got too far involved with that same cabal of people and got corrupted and this is why you know in our um uh documentary we talk about the uh document that he admits to having it's in his 1992 book that Jacqu Fallet wrote i forget the name of it um and there's an entry where he talks about having a 1985
• 133:30 - 134:00 and that was when he was really got involved with the Colonel Alexander types and stubble types the advanced theoretical physics working group no just let me finish the document is a description of CIA operations in Argentina and Brazil to abduct peasants so that they think they're being abducted by aliens for its quote I'm quoting psychological warfare value now we've asked Jacqu Fole to release that document he got very agitated of
• 134:00 - 134:30 against my research producers and said no way because I think he knows that that's so that is the core of the cover up is the false convincing of the public of an alien threat but this is a black and white CI document Jacqu Valet has and I know a couple other people have it but they've been threatened that outlines that operation so these abduction programs have operated not just US but also overseas for decades
• 134:30 - 135:00 remember that's a 40 year old document 85 and those programs were started well before then well I will say Charles Douglas Jackson who ran psychological warfare for the country and was uh operated in the psychological strategy board under Gordon Gray uh uh he showed up uh at Betty and Barney Hills house two weeks after they encountered what they encountered so I've always found that to be kind of interesting and then he went on to work for Life and Time magazine and he was responsible for putting out this Zapruder film of JFK getting shot with missing frames right
• 135:00 - 135:30 so maybe there's something kind of weird there i don't know well I'm telling you there is i mean this is this is the part of this there's I call it the myth the myth in the briefing document for the president i I take out some of the names that I know are the operatives doing it but I have on it's a one sheeter on one side is the myth and the other is the truth mhm and who are the purveyors of the myth and what is the actual facts of it and unpacking it is a very arduous
• 135:30 - 136:00 complicated and I I'll admit I didn't know what I'm just telling you back in 1990 94 it came from being pulled in by people who wanted me to know the truth who are these deep throats that some of these 800 people have debriefed but there are documents that would prove this like jockey has that document the law enforcement and and the the president should say subpoena that do you think Nixon was taken out over this
• 136:00 - 136:30 issue with Watergate because you saw Deepth Throat the real Deepth Throat was a guy named Mark Felt who's a deputy director of the FBI correct in his biography he talks about Nixon being shown covert technology and then there's this famous story of Nixon showing up at Jackie Gleason's place in 1973 and telling him "We have secret UFO technology taking him to Homestead Air Force Base." Yeah and then Jackie Gleason gets obsessed with UFOs his house becomes shaped like a UFO so is that story is that all true and 100%
• 136:30 - 137:00 true but it goes back further m so let's explain how national security in in the 50s maybe from the 50s on the chairman of the what's called the space council for the United States government is the vice president traditionally now they have a professional director but the vice president is chairman so Nixon was chairman of space council during Eisenhower he was part of the team that
• 137:00 - 137:30 betrayed Eisenhower along these others so they circled their wagons and their limousines and pushed Eisenhower further out of the picture the 5412 committee so this would they were very upset i mean obviously so Nixon of course lost the election with Jack Kennedy mhm and then he won in ' 68 so when he was going to be in his second term he was going to be the person he thought would disclose all this and start bringing it forward but the organization that's way more
• 137:30 - 138:00 powerful than the presidency said "Oh no you're not." Oh yes I am oh no you're not so Watergate did happen but I mean there's that kind of black bag stuff happens all the time in politics i mean it's not I'm not excusing it it's just it's a dirty business a filthy business so what happened is that there was a young reporter named Bob Woodard mhm who was actually naval intelligence in Pentagon he was not a journalist he got
• 138:00 - 138:30 moved over to the Washington Post happened to have this whistleblower who then guess you know you know the cover was let's expose the corruption that Nixon did which he did but it was really to remove him because he was hellbent on bringing this stuff out so a similar thing of course happened to Bill Clinton the whole Monica Lewinsky thing Linda Trip was a army intelligence NSA person was put
• 138:30 - 139:00 right beside Monica Lewinsky at a cubicle to get through social engineering befriending her the information about that affair wow and then it was set up because when he was asked about it Clinton lied about it under oath which it led to his impeachment that was also and so when Hillary said I'm and I'm not excusing any kind of behavior i'm not trying to But I'm just telling you this is how it is done all right so they can either
• 139:00 - 139:30 kill you they can threaten you they can do all kinds of stuff or they can set up something like that because very few people get at that level of national politics that are squeaky clean and and they're going to know that and they can use it against you so this is where people talk about welfare and all the stuff going on it's been done for decades i mean let's face it Nixon weaponized the IRS and the DOJ long before the people in the Trump circle
• 139:30 - 140:00 started talking about lawfare that's a proven thing do you think there's any connection and Nixon was a Republican right so I mean you know this kind of dirty trick stuff's been going on since forever speaking of dirty tricks stuff is there any connection between Jeffrey Epstein and UFOs i have no idea and I I actually the salacious stuff related to that it's like oh my god um I'm not excusing any kind of underage whatever but you know I think that that was
• 140:00 - 140:30 probably a op to try to pull in certain people and then have a blackmail file on them mhm yeah seems like it when I'm speaking with some absolute knowledge about it because there's a very senior person in the national security apparatus who is was part of that who's being kept on a short leash because they have a a blackmail file on it wow and so that's how it's done so you know I could do a whole 5h hour podcast with you
• 140:30 - 141:00 about the techniques of counter intelligence and disinformation on this and the kind of dirty tricks run on people and if they can't get something real they'll make it up because with AI and deep fakes i mean they can show the everyone in this room have an orgy together right right they can take my voice and make me say anything they can create any docs they want it'll look absolutely authentic in fact I just had that happen last week my iPhone was hacked into and all kinds of stuff i was threatened oh
• 141:00 - 141:30 no oh this hap this has been happening since 91 do you think that do aren't isn't Tesla's stuff still classified by the US and then I know Towns and Browns is classified by the Navy so we're talking about class classifiations of all these other things and and declassifications of all these other things what about the science can like fundamental science shouldn't be classified can we get Tesla's work open here here's the problem all of the everything that doesn't fly or teleport
• 141:30 - 142:00 should and could be decl I mean a lot of it be medical i mean I've seen some technologies at a underground lab on the Mexican American border really El Paso that you could regrow a limb you could a severed spinal cord could be corrected are you serious yes but that's not being widely distributed no because the physics behind do you I don't know if you have a physics background the physics behind that scalar no transdimensional physics would be able
• 142:00 - 142:30 to also quickly to any scientist be converted to oh I can generate energy from that all right so and if you and the energy sector that runs the planet where everyone's dependent on this line of super tankers and power plants and all of that the whole Brettton Woods with the petro dollar the dollar being the reserve currency because of petroleum basically a Ramco in Saudi Arabia was basically set up by the CIA so all of that integrated
• 142:30 - 143:00 macroeconomic issue is really one of the core reasons for the secrecy and so any technology that would open that door they don't want out because it threatens the current order yeah and when I explained this to um the honorable Paul Hillier who had been minister of defense I was one of the reasons why he came out publicly we did a press conference together in Toronto his um before he contacted me he contacted a four-star
• 143:00 - 143:30 general in the United States because he read a book called The Day After Roswell by Philip Corso and um then he realized this four-star general he said "Is this true?" He says "Oh yeah that and more." that general had been read on to it and so he called me up and we met and I spent a lot of time at his place in Toronto um and I explained to him the whole macroeconomic order how it runs who runs it etc and it
• 143:30 - 144:00 turned out he was a macroe economist and he says "I've never connected UFOs and ETSs to the science and technology part dealing with energy." I say "Well bingo." That's the heart of it right there that and the militarization of the relationship between humans and non-human so that the military-industrial complex can be this global behemoth that keeps sucking money out of the people and governments in endless war have you heard the name Tim
• 144:00 - 144:30 Taylor ever no I don't know him um what about Ron Pandalfi have you heard that name oh sure what do you think of of him is he because that he comes up a lot in this topic as you know somebody interested in it and uh yeah is he I you know look and you you bring up names a lot I you know what uh Elellanena Roosevelt said uh yeah she did so you're insulting me small minds talk about people mediocre minds talk about events great minds talk about ideas so you don't want
• 144:30 - 145:00 to talk about Penduli well there are a lot of you can name a list forever yes of course he was has been involved and knows things and um I think he he's another person who's uh very knowledgeable and had been read on very early on in his career mhm and who I think really I believe really wants a correct outcome okay okay so I think there are a lot of people that are you
• 145:00 - 145:30 know what one of uh one of Jake's guys said to me uh wonderful man brilliant named Don Paul i don't know if you Don Paul yeah I've heard great thing i saw him get interviewed and just wonderful man and he had picked me up once in LA when I was doing something and and he dropped me off I I don't know Airbnb where I was staying and and he said uh he said Dr
• 145:30 - 146:00 thank you for what you're doing for those of us stuck on the other side and what what he meant by that we're stuck on the in the side of these illegally run shadowy legacy programs but they're patriots they're good men and women they want out but they need a way out so that's what I'm trying to get the president through these five executive orders here they are one page awesome it's put in his hands he has
• 146:00 - 146:30 this very cool is that we'll link it one of them has to this complete amnesty and immunity and physical protection of these people so they can come forward with everything they have right but you can't expect people to do that naked uncovered when if they're doing so could result in their their families being killed or they're being imprisoned under false pretenses of course so I tell people why
• 146:30 - 147:00 what good is there having an FBI is what I'd say to Mr cash uh Patel mhm if it's not going to be used against the worst criminal enterprise within the US yeah the true deep state that is victimizing patriots and heroes trying to come forward i mean this nonsense needs to come to a screeching halt and a lot of these men and women that's what they're waiting for and we got really close to it when the Congress was supposed to pass that bill to give
• 147:00 - 147:30 them safe harbor amnesty and protect them but it it was gutted by Turner Rogers Pelosi some other people for the skeptics out there do you have a most kind of visceral uh convincing piece of evidence that you've seen in your life where you're in possession of either a document or a piece of material where you're like "This is disclosure for me." You know this is this is kind of obvious it was the weight of the evidence and um
• 147:30 - 148:00 you know I don't have a a dead ET body or or a craft I can haul out but that's what I'm hoping this special operations team can acquire well there you go because we know where they are do you feel like you're being So I know where the under you know if you look at our map that's in Let Hold that up this is the brief there is a map in there that actually has where all the key black sites are and where all this stuff is we'll we'll throw it on and but it's all based on frankly intel from all these
• 148:00 - 148:30 whistleblowers yeah well you had deep underground military bases are across the US and Becktel has built a lot of them i think we used techniques used by the Nazis actually after in well no because in in our archive we have the actual 1960s patent for a nuclearpowered tunneling device and let me explain how it works it goes through bedrock and basically turns it into glass whoa and so you have connectors from Nellis Area 51 to Edwards go
• 148:30 - 149:00 underground boom dougway um from the Capitol out to the mountains in Virginia uh these have all been built now of course they don't want to disclose because it's a nuclearpowered thing if it malfunctioned but it's a nuclearpowered device that Becktail and other corporations have used to build not only the connectors but the deep underground facilities most people call them stiffs subterranean facilities some people call them dumbs deep underground military bases but it's a bit of a misnomer
• 149:00 - 149:30 because military would conote the legal military so you have the shadow government military that Inoy Senator Enoi talked about and you have the conventional now when I was briefing the senior investigators for Senate Intelligence Committee when I first started meeting with them they didn't know we had these facilities they didn't know we had man-made UFOs they didn't know the NRO had nutrino light detectors on them picking up the signature of the ET craft and knocking them down they
• 149:30 - 150:00 didn't know and the list goes on and on and interestingly the main guy I was talking with in his portfolio of oversight for the Senate Intelligence Committee was the NRO CIA and NSA totally had no knowledge of it m so I tell people this is where it gets scary for for me as a young doctor when I discovered something this important is being taken out of the hands of the oversight of we the people's government
• 150:00 - 150:30 the the the government that we elect and the people we appoint and then the people who are in that system because they're there are basically not answering to the constitution the president or the will of the people and the congress They're answering to this cabal of corrupt enterprises and that is a very dangerous thing when you're dealing with technology at this level because and the human future and this is where I'm fiercely def what it is i feel
• 150:30 - 151:00 like I'm a one-man anti-defamation league for ETSs because everyone out there wants to have the good ones and the bad ones where we're going to have Star Wars and Cowboys and Indian in space and endless war of I'm going oh my god can you just grow up out of that I mean this is so first of all it's so stupid I mean it's dumb dumb I mean it's like but it's hard to speculate on these I mean no it isn't we don't have great data like it's you
• 151:00 - 151:30 don't because you haven't studied my stuff we have great data I've been looking through it go look up this this reference that Jocket's document from the CIA has it black and white says we're conducting the abductions but it's not just in the United States these operations are global uhhuh so again you want the other thing I said so in the skiff a secure compartment information facility i'm in there and there's a map on the wall and it's a normal map of the world
• 151:30 - 152:00 with all the geopolitical boundaries i said "See that map the boundary between America and Canada erase it." The boundary between Mongolia and China erase it the boundary between wherever Yeah india and ch it's gone this organization moves with elacrity across the globe because their technologies allow complete covert movement invisible movement and they
• 152:00 - 152:30 have assets everywhere we know that there have been um uh apparently a man-made UFO that went down in Russia we've gotten that confirmed recently from a special operations team wow and there was one that crashed and went down in northern Iran that we had to try to go in and stomp down but you know we have the this is the next one that just came out ouch hurts to bend my I have these three big puncture things in my abdomen so
• 152:30 - 153:00 this is Disclosure and Illustrated History and it's a 220 30 page book um that has you know all the we I wonder where the Herrera one is so they have all these cases oh here's here's uh the tic tac oh there you go san Diego California 2004 yeah but we have one in there as a contrast uh-huh from 1967 in Pennsylvania in 1991 off the Azors oh
• 153:00 - 153:30 here is the Rathon triangle at uh Fort Irwin mhm wow that is man-made wow and the guy who saw it Uhhuh in detail cuz he picked up some night skits he was told not to uhhuh saw that there was this one and then they were holographically projecting several others wow this could be used in a in a false alien invasion you know like a hoaxed invasion and then that later he and his wife got abducted by this thing
• 153:30 - 154:00 and tortured whoa and it was Rathon and everyone I would say out of a million people proof that it was Rathon oh yeah because he said the men who took him there were Rathon operatives they took him aside wanted to show him this but but not without the nightcope so he saw more detail than they wanted and for that reason it ruined his life steven Dign wonderful man wow and Warner von Brown was convinced that there would be this sort of false flag operation because he knew when he died in ' 74 Mhm
• 154:00 - 154:30 that was all fully operational you work with his assistant right his last spokesperson for his life carol Rosen's on our team wonderful woman she's been trying to get a treaty signed that should have been signed decades ago keeping these weapons out of space um didn't she also tell you though that I'll let you that Warner von Braonn used psychotronic weapons technology against her or something use some psychotronic
• 154:30 - 155:00 technique wasn't against her it was for him to transmit to her a speech he wanted to give to a big conference wow and he used like a mind interface yeah neuralink sort of thing but without the wires you know what Elon's working with with Neurolink think of it what what Jake's talked about with psionics think of being able and this is where my specialty came in back in after my contact experience in 73 is um I realized that these civilizations
• 155:00 - 155:30 have technologies that interface directly with coherent thought mhm so not just any scattered thing but like if you like in con the consciousness field is not limited by spaceime and which means it is essentially omniresent so if you operate at a level of understanding that and then with thought intend you can reach any place in
• 155:30 - 156:00 spaceime but also you can transmit information that way and it can be received but they're not just doing it telepathically like like gurus they have technology so it look like a little box or a little uh device that can receive directed thought can send and transmit so in 1991 I wrote a paper went all through the aerospace industry and CIA which kind of also put me on the radar talking about technology assisted
• 156:00 - 156:30 consciousness right where that your technology can assist you in the ability but also consciousness assisted technology where your thought bioelectric field and thought can actually turn on a computer or affect remote places but it can be done innately you know just through those powers and abilities that some telepathic and telekinetic people have but it can be done technologically assisted so that's why I call it TAC and CAT so that's in my first book
• 156:30 - 157:00 Extraterrestrial Contact the evidence and implications but it's from 99 you can still get it but I think that that describes this and that is exactly what they have so interstellar communications don't involve a smartphone going at the speed of light they involve node to node quantum entanglement so if you know what quantum entanglement is every point in space is connected to every other um in
• 157:00 - 157:30 sort of a holographic non-locality and so it go whether you're an Andromeda galaxy and you're here two and a half million lighty years you're not going with a you know a Verizon signal at the speed of light because it would take two and a half million years to go one way answer the call it'd be another two and a half million years it's going node to node through entanglement but there are technologies that assist with that but it when you get to that level of physics you also get into the telekinetic psionic
• 157:30 - 158:00 telepathic capabilities which can be interfaced technologically so that's actually what we're doing with C5 contact we're not using any technologies but we know our friend the visitors they have it so if you can remote view them connect to them and then invite them we don't summon them i told Jake don't use the word summon you summon your butler if you're the king of England you s summon your valot these are not your servants it's a dis it's a
• 158:00 - 158:30 disrespectful term we invite them and so we say what we're trying to do is create a raw pole and a contact between human and non-human for peaceful purposes we're not here to sum them over and kill them so that's the that's the philosophy let's say or ethos behind C5 contact and you know there are millions of people around the world doing that amazing that gets me the most grief you know Jake and I have talked about other
• 158:30 - 159:00 people have talked about i said "But it's also why the CIA and military intelligence took us most seriously." Yeah because they knew it worked i mean they knew when we had this group in '92 on a beach near Pensacola and we had this 60 people for a weekend demonstrating this four of these craft just pop up right into right there they seem to take intense interest in people who attract UFOs so in you there's this Chris Bledsoe this case in North Carolina where Hal Pavvenmire this longtime national and then he's been intercepted by Jim Seivian and other
• 159:00 - 159:30 disinformation people who are esquetologists so do you think he they're fanatics who want the end of the world you think Chris Bledo actually saw something or Oh sure I'm likely he I don't know him i don't know because by the time I learned about it he had already been intercepted but you think he got inter he saw something and then Absolutely absolutely uhhuh most people are you know and you think their interest these these military intel guys their interest is in esquetology is in like No not all of them i mean like I said you know don't you can't be simplistic here some are about
• 159:30 - 160:00 macroeconomics power control military-industrial endless war others have this sort of belief system yeah that we have to have some kind of endgame Armageddon nonsense in order for Christ to come back or the Messiah if you're Jewish or whatever or the mitra for Buddhist you know all of that is of course I think a misinterpretation of things I don't think it's the end of the world it's the end of this era the
• 160:00 - 160:30 opening of another a golden age so I think if you look at what the the so-called current cycle of the last 400,000 years that's one cycle i think we're coming to the end of that cycle and opening a cycle that will be universal that'll be about another 500,000 years that'll be marked by universal peace not just world peace uh interstellar travel a very advanced society here and people being liberated financially and and by the means of work
• 160:30 - 161:00 so their work week will come become 10 15 hours and they'll be pursuing the development of higher states of consciousness and all these other abilities that are innately within us the human potential part so I think that's where we should be going now there are other people when it's just a it's like the hopy prophecy one line goes up and the other one terminates the question is do we want to be on the termination line in which case the only way to go forward is for our civilization to come out of the dust mhm like the phoenix out of the out of the
• 161:00 - 161:30 ruins rise from the ashes which can happen but you know why choose that when we can choose something else so right now the door is open for us to make that choice individually collectively the people who are profering false information about the alien threat that we don't have these technologies if you say we don't have them then everything going on you can ascribe to aliens when it's not that's the false flag that's
• 161:30 - 162:00 what I'm going to go after because people who say that they're lying they're either ignorant or they're lying now Elon Musk recently said on Joe Rogan he has an all access pass through Lockheed and Northrup and we don't have any of these technologies the best technology out there is his rocket to be honest with you I don't know the gentleman i have no idea if he's not been readon or if he's deliberately deceiving what would be your guess i I wouldn't wager
• 162:00 - 162:30 one because I could see it either way because of the level of people I've met with and met with recently he's got to know if if in the world in which UFOs and zero point energy all these things are real he's got he's got to be the you know but no no but here's the problem he doesn't have an all access path i was once at a meeting with uh a chairman of SRRI and AT&T mhm do they have compartment operations that have dealt with this bail labs and all that this is back in the
• 162:30 - 163:00 90s and they said to me "We suspect there are projects in our companies Stanford Research dealing with this but we read on to them." So there's a very big mistake people make oh he's the president he's chairman of Senate Intelligence he's another G general I briefed was the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency mhm now for people who don't know DIA Defense Intelligence
• 163:00 - 163:30 Agency is the top military intelligence organization for the whole Pentagon and military like CIA is for civilian and I briefed a three-star general Patrick Hughes he had absolutely we had gotten him briefing materials before the meeting like I had for Admiral Wilson and these sort of things he had no knowledge and when he made an inquiry he just got brushed off and yet I have a disclosure project witness that worked for DIA and with and also NRO imaging these
• 163:30 - 164:00 objects okay out in space and he was very upset general Hughes because I'm in the conference room for the general and I said look there are people on your staff who absolutely have been read into this and they're lying to you how does that work like just as far as there being no clear chain of command like how do you have pockets of middle management that are and then higher up you know their their superiors don't know what's
• 164:00 - 164:30 going on cuz I I've heard stories like that they're huge they're huge organizations and the people who are corrupt who are getting money they get kind of paid back door by cut they're cutouts they're operatives and you know I mean there are all kinds of knocks nonofficial cover people so this is really an issue of both corporate and American sovereignty because it's you're sort of you have this like backdoor funneling of money in many cases there's the legal black budget of the United
• 164:30 - 165:00 States right that the the president and the gang of eight the top people in the Congress know about sure not all the congressmen and I deal with those folks but then there's the illegal black budget mhm and I tell people let's make it simple for the average person you know if we get build $2 billion for a B2 stealth bomber it's probably costing less than 100 million to make it i mean come on once you've made a few of them does B2 stand for Biffield Brown do you think it's time to
• 165:00 - 165:30 brown well wait let me finish the rest of the money goes out the back door the other 1.8 8 or 1.9 Mhm billion out the back door into these clandestine illegal man-made UFO projects mhm so you know I've been over sites where that these objects that are man-made come up out of the desert up through an opening come up into the air and they're 100% man-made
• 165:30 - 166:00 and I would say that almost everyone in the normal government let's call it the regular would think it was oh my god it's a UAP well I guess it is it's un it's unexplained to them it's you know it's an unknown to them but see that's where it's dangerous because one of the reasons I had the meeting with General Hughes was one of his colleagues if you look at our disclosure witness Merl Shane McDow look it up
• 166:00 - 166:30 that's in here he was uh working under Sync Atlantic Command the commander-in-chief Atlantic Command in Norfolk and they went to a full code zebra alert which means the facility shut down you had to have zebra stripes on your badge or you were shot by the Marines there with M16s everyone had to be cleared out so I've been there it's an underground place it's where World War II would be fought all the nuclear submarines that we have I've been in there my military escort took me
• 166:30 - 167:00 in admiral train Admiral Harry Train back then this was in the 80s an object came in off the coast of Newfoundland and it was what you said about Jack Kennedy trying to deconlict this problem with the Soviets we thought it was a Soviet object or missile and so he picked up the red line to the Soviet Union this is 80s it wasn't theirs wasn't ours or that he knew of it came off down the coast ended up being on
• 167:00 - 167:30 five radar stations we deployed an aircraft to shoot it down and it couldn't but it took had gun camera and the admiral and this gentleman saw that footage i don't have it it's somewhere and but the admiral was shaken to his he had no idea what this was we could have gone to nuclear war over this mishap think about it the guy sitting there in the some commander-in-chief
• 167:30 - 168:00 Atlantic command fourstar admiral not read into this so when I found out the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency wasn't read on and he's the top of that whole system for military intelligence I realize this is really dangerous that people at that level of our government are completely unaware of this and would could mistake a man-made UFO with an alien one or something from another country and trigger World War III either
• 168:00 - 168:30 on off planet or on planet so this information is of enormous national security consequence but it's never been treated that way see this is the problem you know it's movies it's podcast it's entertainment it's but no this is of the gravest level of national security of anything I've ever heard of and I've been around a long time looking at a lot of spooky stuff so that is where this is how a country like ours or others get
• 168:30 - 169:00 they get sort of stumble into Yeah a war is what happened with the Iraq and Afghanistan wars so we have to be careful here because here we're not talking about a kinetic war with boom boom you know bombs and cannons and the meat grinder of Ukraine and and Russia we're talking about something that's very dangerous orders of magnitude more dangerous and it simply is not being uh looked at and managed in a way now these executive
• 169:00 - 169:30 orders that one I mentioned the ones about the whistleblowers and the having a an operation to get these uh stood down you know like the facilities that have been targeting these craft that are ET and knocking them down that needs to be stood down because that could that could lead to World War II m um and and we need one that requires all these operations to fully disclose within 6 months or the people involved would be
• 169:30 - 170:00 prosecuted for treason and other crimes we need an executive order to authorize an advanced diplomatic team based on C5 contact to make peaceful contact with these non-human because there has been no response from humans um that has been anything but denial or violent very how ridiculous that's why I started this whole project 1990 it was to to address this issue that they're
• 170:00 - 170:30 there but how are we reaching out to them nobody is not the United Nations no foreign ministry our State Department it's all off because it's an unknown subject so that has to be done and we need an executive order authorizing the review and release of the technologies as I said but excluding things that could be used as a weapon system right but things that would ameliorate uh the environmental problems and poverty on
• 170:30 - 171:00 the planet and eventually give the whole world what this executive chairman of this big corporation said free energy for the whole world because you're pulling energy out of this uh subatomic field hydrogen atom is key to this by the way interesting yeah we're getting to the weeds here of physics if you were able to separate the oxygen and hydrogen bonds oh the hydrogen atom i'm talking about the atom so what people don't Here's the secret about Stan Meyer's
• 171:00 - 171:30 little giddy uhhuh he didn't know it at the time because they didn't have the tools to measure it it was an empirical observation i mean it was just observed uh in the real world so empiricism is the foundation of most science m you know like we can observe the effect of something like a substance that's in fox glove the herb digtoxin which actually is used in medicine for congestive heart failure well it was discoveredund and some years ago we observed the effect but it was
• 171:30 - 172:00 only very recently that we knew what the actual mechanism of action at a molecular and physics level was of this 100-year-old medicine same thing with aspirin we knew it had these effects we didn't know how it worked until not that long ago so this man Stan Meyer observed an effect that at certain frequencies water would dissociate into hydrogen and oxygen at less than the Faraday constant the amount of energy needed to
• 172:00 - 172:30 dissociate it what he didn't know which has been uh documented we mentioned this in our documentary The Lost Century if anyone wants to look at it go to Tuby it's up there for free and it describes that when you do the very electrostatic high voltage system he was using at certain frequencies it creates these tiny little like ball lightning effects that it kind of tiny little explosions
• 172:30 - 173:00 that activate and perturb stimulate that zero point quantum vacuum field and that's why the energy that he was getting out in other words if you just took the energy of oxygen and water I mean oxygen and hydrogen that if you separated them into the two gases and burned it he was getting much more energy than that but he didn't know where it was coming from that's where it's coming from so now we know the physics of that and I would like to see if anyone's listening who's actually
• 173:00 - 173:30 venture capital let's start a venture capital fund to do this because I've got the people who can do it but we don't have the funding but here's a warning to you money grubbing [ __ ] it's it's gonna it's going to be open sourced uhuh it's gonna be like GitHub it's going to be put out openly to the public we have a mutual friend Adam Curry who's super deep in a lot of these technologies oh yeah he's a wonderful guy yeah he's great yeah big fan of his but someone's going to have to actually set up a secure lab that would be on you know
• 173:30 - 174:00 blockchained but open to the internet everything going on is known in real time no secret sale back so you're not going to do the whole Here's the problem people think they're so clever they're going to work on this it'll be secret yeah until they kill you the Stan Meyer guys you know who those guys who got the Stan Meyer collection and that Toroid all of them but one were killed wow and before they were killed the Lord I won't
• 174:00 - 174:30 say his name Lord so and so out of the United Kingdom who was their funer called me up and said "Dr greer we need your help." Day late and a dollar short they're after them they they figured out how these things work and they they think they need to move their lab from Michigan to another country i said "Bro you're going to have to move your lab to another star system this organization will hunt you down anywhere and what they need to do is dump everything they have through blockchain on the internet and out to
• 174:30 - 175:00 the public but see they had such a excuse my language they had a hard on for getting the money and monetizing it and p keeping it you know their own little secret thing next thing I So I wrote a whole p I don't know a couple page thing strategy for them i think it's in our archive it is with taking the name off of the Lord so and so because he doesn't want to be known publicly but that's amazing though somebody in the House of Lords
• 175:00 - 175:30 was funding this free energy well I mean everyone's interested in this if you've got a thinking mind and you were concerned about the world if you care about the world at all but it was done incorrectly so and I warned them at the front end of it i said "If you do this the way you're planning to do it you're dead men walking." Sure enough few years later I meet with a guy in Orange County who who knew the one survivor of that he says ' And the guy was crying like a baby so all the rest were killed i said 'Of course what do you think would
• 175:30 - 176:00 happen they were obscure secret unprotected and you don't I don't care if you're Elon Musk you don't have enough money to keep yourself safe from that crowd how do you think you So you have to open source it how do you think you've been able to survive have attempts have been made on your life right oh sure yeah and do do you feel do you feel protected by the ETSs yes you do yeah you've guided by them yep wow yeah that's fascinating they have a security team and Wow that's amazing like a physical security team or it's
• 176:00 - 176:30 more like sort of ephemeral as far as how they No it's both yeah but they I mean look they can move between dimensions and Wow you know I put look when I died one of the great things of having been so sick and died this is kind of worse because somebody but you you if you have that kind of experience uh I'm not particularly religious at all but in terms of organized religion but spiritual yes and Jake and I have talked
• 176:30 - 177:00 about that is that what you're afraid of what you know if you know there if you know that your conscious ious self continues in higher and higher states of consciousness forever why are you so you know make my day and kill me i've seen the other side it's beautiful so I don't want to I mean look I have 12 grandkids and four daughters i mean I'm not going anywhere unless it's my time you know my ticket
• 177:00 - 177:30 gets punched I'm out you know but um so I sort of like give it to the great spirit you know and say what happens happens but what it means is it liberates you from having your life guided through fear so remember how controlling fear is fear of the aliens fear of of Armageddon fear of being tortured fear of poverty fear of having your secrets exposed fear they these evildoers these thugs control
• 177:30 - 178:00 through fear yes but remember fear is the mind killer it makes people take leave of their intellect and their spiritual faculties so that is why demagogues religious political what have you they're very adept at utilizing fear for control m that's my big concern and my beef with most people in the UFO subculture who put out these fearsome dystopian views of the ETSs but also at
• 178:00 - 178:30 the same breath cover up the fact we have the technology to stage everything that would look ET that isn't so with with that being said if it's just at a UFO conference with a few hundred efficionados of this that's one thing but when it gets to where someone like that is in major media or talking to Don Jr this nonsense I have a problem with that because that has consequences
• 178:30 - 179:00 so people need to be very careful about that because there's a whole team of people who are attached to senior national security now who know that's going on and if if we can get a law enforcement operation stood up not just investigate because we're doing that but to actually act take action anyone on the wrong side of this wittingly knowingly is going to be in a world of trouble because you're really talking about colluding with a treasonous group
• 179:00 - 179:30 of people who are imminent threat to national security so I I say that and people say "Are you making a threat?" I said "No I'm just saying that it goes to follow that once people at a certain level a government realized that they've been had and they've been deceived and lied to they have the mechanism to fix it." Now maybe it would be fixed clandestinely we wouldn't know about it fine but I'm saying to the public anyone who has actionable intelligence needs to come forward to us
• 179:30 - 180:00 very soon if you're on the wrong side of this get we can get you on the right side and we can get you immunity right we can now even without an executive order law enforcement at a certain level has the ability to immunize people if big if they completely come clean so it's it's transactional in the sense that you would have to come clean with everything and not be involved any further in
• 180:00 - 180:30 illegal operations and then you would be immunized so I was told a few months ago that can be done so I'm making an appeal to people now's if you're going to do it now's the time to do it you don't want to you want to be on the right side of history you don't want to be on the wrong side of this um because ultimately truth will come out about it and um it's going to be better for people if they do what Jake and his guys
• 180:30 - 181:00 are trying or just starting to do a little bit and step over into the correct side of it what do you think of his new private venture his company oh I don't know i mean you know wish him luck i mean so long as it's non-kinetic against the ETSs it's fine i think mostly what they're encountering are our stuff okay interesting yeah because cuz it's on a range that where our stuff might fly or something or look remember 80 90% of everything
• 181:00 - 181:30 people see out there they're calling a UAP is our stuff uhhuh i mean and a lot of it is so advanced now it can mimic an ET wow object so it takes a lot of information and experience to distinguish the two but he would have the experience right to distinguish no he even admits oh that it's at the point that and I will admit that as I said earlier this technology curve keeps going up of human reverse engineering so
• 181:30 - 182:00 when you've had some of the highest IQ brains in the world gifted who worked in these programs studying the real ET material material science physics all of it you're going to eventually be at a level of close to par where what happens is that even a very experienced operator like Jake and his guys or or me and I've been involved in contact with the ET
• 182:00 - 182:30 since I was 8 years old seeing them you know and then even more intimate contact you can be easily deceived and this is dangerous so this is why 30 years ago I raised the alarm bell this is going on but technology doesn't stand still it's not like we got the ARV from 19 late 50s60s you know that Mark McCannish's drawings and sure you know Brad Sorenson went to this air show in 1988 that's in here yeah you have the mama bear and papa bear acornshaped
• 182:30 - 183:00 uh UFOs yes and he was shown this video and he was with this Italian finance here and they go to this sort of back of the house thing and then they have this these magneto hydrodnamic drives underneath and so yeah but the hanger at Norton which has been decommissioned 88 that was an air show to get more money from the Reagan era people and there were three of them there was the baby the mama and the dad granddad exactly and those three that was real but do you know when those those were built when were they built late 50s early 60s well
• 183:00 - 183:30 they had a lot of wear and tear on them according to the interior if you I have a full transcript of Brad Sorenson talking to an aerospace writer mhm and those components on the inside were from the Mercury space capsule era wow late 50s early 60s but then uh James Allen the creator of the movie about Mark McCandish uh Zero Point or whatever he died of an aggressive form of cancer and they found
• 183:30 - 184:00 heavy metals in his autopsy i don't know if you're familiar oh yeah i mean look a lot of people in my team I've had I had I was me and my best friend and assistant at the time and a member of Congress all got aggressive metastatic cancers jesus and yeah I almost died i had metastatic malignant melanoma you think that was brought on by this talk oh yeah absolutely we know how it's done um I've gone through hell but you know and but the point I'm making is those the folks involved in
• 184:00 - 184:30 these programs who want to come forward you know they are at some significant risk until the government of the good guys let's say in government representing we the people who aren't read into this stand up an operation to stop it because otherwise it's an unchecked rogue power with unbelievably malicious intent and you know you can't let that go on for I mean
• 184:30 - 185:00 it's been going on for 70 years can't go on for another 10 i don't think it can go on for another five this is why I think whether you love or like him the current president that administration is going to have to deal with this if we're at technological par whether they like it or not if we're at technological parody with these extraterrestrials how can we be sure that the crashes that or not even crashes the the vehicles that Jake Barber and his team retrieved were in fact of extraterrestrial origin the egg
• 185:00 - 185:30 and the eight gun at these test ranges in California if we're at par and it's hard to distinguish how do we know well you you have to actually get to the point where who's on board and is it a man-made alien or a real one because we have man-made ones that are both robotic and partially biological is there anything about his testimony that makes you confident that you know I look I think he's seems very sophisticated and experienced no he he has definitely dealt with retrieving the non-human but he's also has seen and seen the testing
• 185:30 - 186:00 of the man-made ones okay and so it's his experience with both that gives him conviction yes and then it's hard to say because a lot of the stuff is classified as far as the differences or whatever because I'm just trying to think through it first principles for me and I'm like I don't know and I go through the same algorithm when I'm out there with my team looking at something got it you know is it real or is it memorex like the old commercials you know uh you know is is it a a well done human faximile or is it an actual extraterrestrial
• 186:00 - 186:30 vehicle or NHI craft now the best way to do it is to under is is if the if that object responds very clearly to the what I call the coherent thought intention that ain't ours that's ET so one of the tests we do is conscious mind matter consciousness technology interface and if that is gets
• 186:30 - 187:00 confirmed very likely it's ET if it doesn't I'm kind of agnostic about it and say "Well that might have been ours it might have been theirs." And it without enough data um who knows and we have had experiences where the ETSs themselves have teleported right into our circle or near our circle we have a couple great photographs of them why are you so controversial i tweeted today that I'd be speaking to you i was very
• 187:00 - 187:30 excited for this for me this was you know long time coming i was really excited to just dive deep with you and I want to say most people were pretty positive on Twitter but there was a subset of people that were like "Ask them about ask him about the flares at the C5 thing like you see put out." Yeah you know that was put out i'm going we I don't know anyone who's ever done that at any of our events and I certainly haven't so you're on record that's That's fake according to you that's fake oh 100% 100% but here's what's going to happen anything like that could be an orb mhm if you want someone who wants to
• 187:30 - 188:00 defame you to say "Oh well that was something Greer paid someone." First of all I don't have the assets to do that and secondly I've never done something like that put me under a sodium penol but those things are put out there to discredit someone who's actually telling the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth that's what they don't want to hear they want you to tell a partial truth that comports with the false disclosure so there's two disclosures trying to happen there's the actual truthful disclosure and there's
• 188:00 - 188:30 the truth that serves the secret agenda in 99 1999 go look it up i wrote a paper and it's called when disclosure serves secrecy so when a disclosure is spun in the direction Allah Alzando Allah she Allah Gary Nolan Allah Shehan you don't like Shihen well he was our lawyer but then he went over to Alzando oh would you ever debate
• 188:30 - 189:00 Alzando oh sure no problem i think he's going to be in town tomorrow yeah all the time you have any I'm on another show and then I fly out tomorrow night and I'm I'm injured so okay but this is the I don't know if you you showed this when when Mr herrera was there oh yeah he had a model of this oh good good yeah so just so So this is one of the cases in this new book by the way everyone can order this it's hard and soft copy cool that's an awesome book and Michael Strat is a great uh illustrator and researcher no he didn't do the illustrations oh he
• 189:00 - 189:30 didn't do illustrations no those were done by a professional artist okay okay and some of them he had had done before we had Well he helped organize your archive right and he's former Loheed Martin yep yeah he But not doing this stuff he was drafting and doing stuff that conventional okay you know Mr shrat was not part of the skunk works got it got it by the way yeah uh James Goodall Jim Goodall's friend of mine and he probably was the last man to talk to uh Ben Rich Ben Rich before he died and he
• 189:30 - 190:00 said you know Ben Rich said "Ah anything you can imagine that you've seen at Star Trek and this and that we already have done at the skunk works." And then he said "It's not at Area 51 it's out in the desert there." If you want to talk regarding Jim Goodall I'll be happy to get him on the phone right this very second and if you want to we'll do this live let's Let's call him this is awesome hey Jim are you there that's okay that's okay so ju just a
• 190:00 - 190:30 quick review i'm doing this in real time i'm in I'm in Austin Texas i'm with Jesse Michaels i'm doing an interview we were talking about John Lear we were talking about your good friend at You Know Where so could could you talk about you know paraphrase here talk about what Ben Rich told you at the hospital just before he passed away just before Ben Rich passed away uh when I was talking to him he told me this
• 190:30 - 191:00 this end of a 45minut uh conversation he said Jim we have things out in the desert and he wasn't referring to Area 51 we have things out in the desert that is 50 years beyond on what you can comprehend i can comprehend a hell of a lot uh and he said "If you've seen if you've seen movies like Star Trek or Star Wars we've been there done that but decided it wasn't worth the effort." I've been to that site i have
• 191:00 - 191:30 videotape and photographs from my iPhone flying in a chopper over the Lockheed Skunk Works site where the man-made stuff comes up wow so when I gave that to Senate Intelligence Committee in um September of 23 about a year year and a half ago mhm about 3 weeks later someone sawed through the bolt that holds my mountain bike seat on and it fell and I went down
• 191:30 - 192:00 and my left leg came off my foot came off you see the pictures and these two bones are in the air my left shoulder was ripped off and my right lower abdomen was split over i had four surgeries in three months that was an attempt on your life and who know I mean somebody messed with that so but you know I went through rehab and physical therapy and I'm back working out and I was fine till this happened because I leg press 700 lb and I work out hard 700
• 192:00 - 192:30 lb oh my god that's amazing i work out i mean I'm an old guy but I try to stay strong um most of the people your bench your leg press yeah in June June I'll be 70 in June 28th that's impressive man so I just work out hard but luckily because I work out hard you know I was in good enough shape that the rehab period you know it was hard i mean and because I had no arm or leg I was in a wheelchair
• 192:30 - 193:00 and anyone who knows me knows I'm very active and it was like that was torture so but I'm I recovered and um been fine till my appendix ruptured yesterday but you don't need your appendix it's a vestigial vestigial organ snip snip that's right i think when the nurse was rolling me out last night at about 10 or whatever at the hospital I'm in a wheelchair because you I'm still kind of a little loopy from the anesthesia and
• 193:00 - 193:30 she says "Did you have you forgotten anything?" because I had to get dressed and I said "Well I think I forgot or I've left my appendix back there." And I said "Go get my appendix." I was joking that's gone for good oh we we cut up a lot i mean as an ER you know I'll tell you when you're dealing with major emergency trauma like I did you got to develop a sense of humor or you're going to eat your gun you know i mean this stuff when you deal at this level you got to have a sense of humor i mean Yeah
• 193:30 - 194:00 and you got to have fun yeah and you got to have I mean my assistant here Raven and is an angel she's 27 years with me my wife and I 46 years together congratulations i have dear friends that I've been with since for 50 years so you know you you have to develop a support team a network of people who you know and you have to learn to have fun i'm a party animal if you ever go out partying with I'm wild man
• 194:00 - 194:30 that's funny i I feel like I've become uh more uh Oh I'll be out 3:00 or 4 in the morning having a great time i've become more lame since all my you know whatever partying I used to do has gone into the craziness of the topic the topic is so crazy that I'm like you got to bring balance man you got have some balance yeah fair enough fair enough balance mind body spirit you have to balance that's true yeah always yeah everything in moderation including moderation everything in moderation oh no i've never done any drugs or anything but you know yeah i was telling someone
• 194:30 - 195:00 someone once bought me a third tequila shot oh my god wasn't tequila i got so wild it was on Halloween i never had had a tequila shot i never drank liquor that liquor but it was like oh you know I was like wild man turned loose you know well maybe at some point we'll be partying with the ET who knows yeah man they have actually they have a great sense of humor uh-huh uh they can be very playful and and childlike uhhuh and uh very into highQ's if we had a scale 450 yeah in
• 195:00 - 195:30 that range do you think they're hybrids among us well look I think all of life in the universe is a hybrid but we're going to get into something here that's very complex okay um but if you understand Rupert Sheldrake's morphagenic fields oh yeah he's a friend of mine i love him yeah brilliant brilliant brilliant guy yeah um so anything that starts to happen through non-locality and in cons the conscious field can begin to replicate so look at the entire creation
• 195:30 - 196:00 that way so I look at this from a very you know conscious quantum holographic point of view um which integrates is integrative uh now there's a place for reductionism where you break everything into parts i mean medicine science you have to do that but there's a place to also bring in this more holistic uh and the whole that the totality of it that has to do
• 196:00 - 196:30 with the conscious holography of of the cosmos and that's what's fascinating i think the civilizations that have survived this sort of crazy time we're in and have made it through the nuclear threshold and the transdimensional threshold and become peaceful one of the reasons why I don't think they're hostile is that if you have that consciousness that humans have you're going to destroy yourself before you get out of your solar system look at us on the brink of World War II with Russia and China you know if you don't
• 196:30 - 197:00 evolve a certain level of peaceful consciousness so I always tell people we have a lot of problems but the root of it is very not religious the root of it is social spiritual conscious evolution because if we don't evolve to a certain level of that consciousness of peace and and seeing the oneness of life here and out there's no future for humanity because we're not using just musketss
• 197:00 - 197:30 and you know bows and arrows or even whatever now we have weapons of mass destruction that can destroy the planet and in these covert programs they have technologies way beyond a hydrogen bomb that are supercharged quantum potential scalar type weapons so you you really can't go forward as a people uh and I think that other civilizations have passed this way before and if they survived that threshold or maybe they crashed and came back out of it they've
• 197:30 - 198:00 learned a very big lesson what I'd like to see is humanity come out of this era where we are now instead of crashing completely transforming into a new civilization and a new awareness about this and I think it can happen but we need to articulate it and and sort of show that vision that path forward um and it isn't going to happen by just continuously stirring up hatred see one of the the alien hatred thing you know I
• 198:00 - 198:30 think it is it's an exploitation of of the original sin of humans and that's tribalism so if you look at chimpanzees we're 98% identical they organize in the troops and engage in war we have that proclivity that's where racism homophobia misogyny ethnicity all the war everything we fight over it's it's it's demagogues being able to trigger that impulse now
• 198:30 - 199:00 the big one to trigger would be human versus non-human right you pull the whole world together as demagogues and people wanting power against another intelligent life form was that what Reagan was referring to in his speech when he said yes because he had been gaslit i knew the people who did it wow general Homeman no I'm sorry Colonel Homeman before he died he was the one who sold uh SDI Star Wars to Reagan wow and he
• 199:00 - 199:30 told me before he died he said he was a full bird colonel he had been on that committee selling Star Wars to First tried to sell it to Carter and Carter was too smart didn't buy it then he told Reagan so he said "We had Soviet Union these other threats da da da da da." And where he really got him is that he convinced him of the alien threat now he told me he said "We knew that was false
• 199:30 - 200:00 but it got billions of dollars for SDI." So here's the other risk with with uh President Trump is that he could be shown a lot of false evidence for example you go in with a portfolio of gruesome viva sections and mutilations and abdu abductions and other scary things all done by SCOPS from CIA and other cutouts but aren't some of these pre ability to even like my buddy Chris Ramsey who runs a great channel called Area 52 he's an admirer of your work and
• 200:00 - 200:30 consumed it for a while but he always points to these he said there's like in 1904 there's like this Chilean cattle mutilation series and it's like we didn't have the ability to do this back then did we in 1904 you know I don't know what the ev how in my lab you know who knows what that was okay back then and what technologies were used if you have those capabilities Mhm what are you using it for i mean obviously if they wanted to overtake the
• 200:30 - 201:00 earth and humanity they could have done it before we had the technologies we had by the time we detonated the first atomic bomb y okay so it there's no internal logic to that thesis is what I'm saying yeah now there's a lot of reason to believe maybe there have been other civilizations that have done things where they're monitoring our evolution because they know in the future we could be friend or foe or we could go one way
• 201:00 - 201:30 or another um and so some of this I liken to imagine if you're well here's a good analogy imagine you're me as an emergency doctor yep someone comes in either a 2-year-old child with the symptoms of menitis mhm right which can be fatal mhm all right so I have to do a spinal tap and I have a needle this long you know so to the child I'm a monster who's having my nurses hold the
• 201:30 - 202:00 child down in the fetal position and they go in and get the cerebral spinal fluid off from around the spine to test it to see if there's bacterial or infection but to the child I'm torturing that child i'm trying to save its life i'm I'm there with the best of intentions doing everything I can to be sure this child doesn't die of menitis or have brain damage and hearing loss so I think we have to also be careful in
• 202:00 - 202:30 taking just a a empirical observation let's say in an ephemeral superficial way and ascribing modem to it right because think of how many things I've had to do as a doctor doesn't that flip the other way too though like how can we know they're positive on the You know what I mean because as I said the uh the colonel in charge of the Wright Patterson Air Force Base operations for this Mhm uh Colonel Canola when he said
• 202:30 - 203:00 to me that day he said that was I went from the Rockefeller ranch to there wow he was head of the foreign technology FTD well at that time it was called Fastic foreign aerospace science and technology center they keep changing the name of it so you spoke to him directly oh yeah that meeting was ordered by the head of intelligence joint staff not Kramer but another one not not uh Tom Wilson but Admiral Kramer ordered that meeting you met with all these fascinating people i don't know like you know I'm a fan of Joe Rogan but I don't
• 203:00 - 203:30 see how anybody can just write you off like you you've really like Well no i mean it's it's a money thing threats and money i mean look I don't know i mean you ask Joe he's a neighbor of yours you know fine i'm happy to go on a show anytime mhm mhm i have no grudge against him i just know that I'm blacklisted off of it that's stupid it's weird well who cares i mean you know I mean I can reach a lot of people other ways but So what was your conversation like with the Well I I I you know he thought I was coming there to see what he had mhm so I said I
• 203:30 - 204:00 had my military adviser there and a guy who was a former state department actually CIA guy there and this meeting had been ordered from way above his pay grade now the head of air force intelligence didn't want to do it but the head of intelligence the whole joint staff ordered it i can talk about this now so it happened and um the conversation kind of went like this he went well you know um I really I said
• 204:00 - 204:30 look I'm not here to see what you have here i already know what you have here m I have people who worked in your facility now this is September 93 so I said you I don't need to see that i know what you have i'm here to let you know that we have an operation C5 contact closing counters and we want to deconlict what we're doing with anything you and your colleagues are doing so that you don't interfere with us and we don't interfere with you a lot of people don't know this
• 204:30 - 205:00 that was 93 really early on so you kind of came to them in peace you weren't like "Oh yeah let us all out." Yeah but I also said the Clinton administration is keen he just taken office in January this September in getting and this may come here so you need to be prepared to cooperate yep and u then he said at one point "Well what what makes you think that these civilizations are a threat?" You know the whole party line because I mean he was a colonel he brainwashed
• 205:00 - 205:30 like everybody else and I go "Well we're having this conversation aren't we we're breathing the free air of Earth and the fact that we're still breathing the fear the free air of Earth given the galactically stupid things we've been doing targeting and downing their own craft and killing their own people if they were hostile like you think we'd be done right?" He just looked at me so I said "The proof that they're not is that you and I are still breathing
• 205:30 - 206:00 Earth's air." What if they're impervious what if it's like these biological drones where they're like you know this is this is sort of like disposable stuff oh some of them are like little vonoyoman replicators to like you know some are some are organic indigenous ET some are kind of robotic um they have integrated circuits in their cerebral cortex but we have man-made grays and man-made looking ones that have that because we've studied them do you believe in different alien races the
• 206:00 - 206:30 grays the Nordics the reptilians things like that or Well no all those names are just racist appellations i mean remember I was talking to you before so it's all one the foundation of all of ufology is let's call it interspecies racism that's the f everything that you're mouththing they've just been able to trigger the innate racism within everybody everyone's we're all monkeys we all have this sort of monkey mind but are there ones that look different
• 206:30 - 207:00 there dozens and dozens of them okay i know that Clifford Stone said in the 60s and they're all good all of the There's no indication any of them are hostile okay there's indications that some of them are extremely unhappy okay with what we're doing to the planet and what we're doing to them so but there is a universal right to self-defense yeah number one number two let's say you're a species been monitoring this planet for thousands or hundreds of thousands
• 207:00 - 207:30 of years in a hundredyear period we go from horse and buggies to thermonuclear weapons we go from a pristine environment that was an agricultural civilizations to a an industrial civilization that suppresses the natural evolutionary breakthrough in electromagnetism to have free energy and we're destroying the biosphere we're killing the oceans we have thousands of species of plants and animals going
• 207:30 - 208:00 extinct and so if the earth had been somehow bioformed or assisted in its evolution they would be less than amused not with humans per se but with the captains of human civilization so they would be right in saying that we're mad you know it's like as an emergency doctor you can commit someone if they're a danger to themselves or other mentally ill or substance abuser i believe that these some of these
• 208:00 - 208:30 civilizations view us as collectively insane that humans given what we're doing to the planet and to each other and now to them are sort of mad like what the heck's going on so I encourage people to step out of the anthropocentric you know self-centered view and begin to look at the world and what we're doing through the eyes of a nonhuman intelligent species who would rightly be appalled at what we've been doing to the earth
• 208:30 - 209:00 and to each other endless world wars the Earth's biosphere the oceans dying the coral reefs dying unnecessarily because we've suppressed the genius breakthroughs of Nicola Tesla and others in energy generation so that a handful of Uber oligarchs and control freaks can benefit from that system right in the whole planet only
• 209:00 - 209:30 0.83% of the population has any involvement with energy generation at any level green or otherwise and for that the we're sending the planet over a cliff have we made agreements with the aliens like there's this rumor in 1954 that Eisenhower was I think in at like Palm Desert in California or where was it palm Springs i think it was 56 56 might have i thought it was 54 maybe it was in Mura around yeah and he says you know it was
• 209:30 - 210:00 under the cover of a a dental exam but he might have actually made an agreement with some alien it was an agreement it was a meeting it was a meeting and the what the ETSs wanted us to stop the nuclear holocaust potential mhm and we were to then do so do you believe this do you think this happened well I got a I got a series of reports from the French Ministry of Defense indicating that meeting did happen but it wasn't the mythology you're referring to and it
• 210:00 - 210:30 was really an attempt by the ETSs before we went full-on dangerous proliferation of tens of thousands of thermonuclear weapons to try to change that direction and Eisenhower was inclined to do so this cabal of war mongering sociopaths like Alan Dulles and Paul Melon said no we're not and they're the ones who then cut the president out of the loop this is why one of our whistleblowers was a
• 210:30 - 211:00 young army guy at the White House in the Eisenhower in the signal corps I think 5960 named Steven Lovkin you can read his testimony in our material and he said that Eisenhower would doodle pictures of these you know ET craft he was fascinated and he brought the issue up to Eisenhower and said Eisenhower said "Well I don't have control of this anymore." So I think that because Eisenhower he knew the dangers of endless war he had been a five-star
• 211:00 - 211:30 general World War II and he wanted peace i think he wanted a golden age and I think about the time I was born in 55 i think this happened in could have been 54 or 56 but around that time this could have all gone another way you see so what a waste and so instead he got pushed aside that group of sociopaths and control freaks then took over those operations and those have been illegal operations
• 211:30 - 212:00 ever since m and so the president I think Eisenhower what I understand died a very bitter man about this he never spoke of this in particular but he also knew that there was an organization that had moved him to the side jack Kennedy said the same thing to Bill Holden his the stu chief steward on Air Force One but I have many data points for this and so you know my concern is you know how long can that continue with an unchecked
• 212:00 - 212:30 group with that kind of power uh I don't think it can go on much longer because their technological prowess has reached a point that it's not only a threat to Earth it's a threat out there and so I think we have to resolve it my recommendation is resolve it peacefully well let's see what happens dr agre i mean we have uh we're kind of on the verge of like this deep politics civil war right now it feels like with US aid and Elon and Trump on one side and kind of bureaucracy on the other side they're
• 212:30 - 213:00 really clashing and uh so it's an interesting time and uh I hope that all the political capital spent on all the other disclosures do not cut against UFOs and in fact they cascade into UFOs so take there yeah I think all of that's a sideshow and and a waste of time here's what I think you know there it's fiddling while Rome burns so all those other things I'm not saying there all
• 213:00 - 213:30 there's all manner of corruption and waste and fraud but the big one is this stuff UFOs it's the This is where 8 to 12 trillion minimum is gone and it's still going yeah and so the question is you want to get serious about this same thing with the criminal criminalizing uh and illegally using the criminal justice system against people you know
• 213:30 - 214:00 and also letting people get away literally with murder and abductions and kidnapping one of our whistleblowers whose whose case is in here who we don't name he's by a initial he was on a crash retrieval team in the northern Nevada desert way north used to be called the Nevada test range and about I think it was 2009 somewhere around there he was on a team retrieving these objects and it's a very long story but cut a long
• 214:00 - 214:30 story short uh when he reached out to us I was going to bring him to Senate Intelligence and Armed Service services and then over to Arrow and we were getting in the process of actually getting this ticket so those of you who cavet about the fact you have to pay money for this book like you do a latte at Starbucks i don't I'm I'm retired and I don't I don't get money from all this it's paying for whistleblowers to go to DC and provide security and all that so you know all these the naysayers and say
• 214:30 - 215:00 "Why is there a tuition?" I said 'Well how do you put on something if it costs $200,000 to rent a facility to put on an event who's paying for that me out of my I'm a doctor not a tech billionaire anyway you know but so we're getting his ticket we're bringing him to DC a van pulls up SUV out in front of his house his wife's at work and they have two young kids boys and the they say "Look at your phone and
• 215:00 - 215:30 your computer." And they had embedded child pornography all over it no way yep happens all the time they said "You take one more step towards this you're going to spend the rest of your life in prison and never see your children." So I have said this to people in law enforcement i said "Why should someone who's a hero of the country be afraid for his life and afraid of false imprisonment and enttrapment where is our justice systems where's the
• 215:30 - 216:00 department of Miss Bondi where and Cash Patel where is federal law enforcement when you have this kind of thuggery but I we've had this thuggery used against uh even folks like the senior investigators for Senate Intelligence Committee so at what point does someone grow a pair and stand up to the Goliath now granted it is a Goliath and they have enormous power and enormous
• 216:00 - 216:30 technology and they're very corrupt and they're ruthless they will kill their own but I don't think that that is any excuse for putting your tail between your legs and running away like a coward maybe Elon's engaging in some sort of encirclement strategy where you go for the the less important stuff first and then you you know I I don't know i mean again I I don't know Mr musk and I wish him well mhm um and I what I do know is that there are very senior people around the
• 216:30 - 217:00 president who are taking this seriously which is a good thing and um there are some wonderful people in there uh like RFK Jr.'s son's wife Amarillis Fox Amarillis Fox Kennedy is a friend of mine and she's gonna she's on the White House intelligence advisory group now and and I will also work closely with Tulsi Gabbert who's the DNI i've met Tulsi before and I think she's great and then
• 217:00 - 217:30 I heard I've heard great things about Amarillis Fox too oh she's one she's Amarillis is wonderful she's very smart she understands everything we've been talking about and I think RFK Jr does too in my conversations there but uh not at a granular level and not at a you know but I think uh there are people in place who I think can help guide the administration to what the facts are and what the truth is but more importantly we need to get past this thing of just
• 217:30 - 218:00 endlessly yaking and investigating the issue we need to action no I'm with that yeah we have to we at some point the federal government of the United States and others are going to need to take action to get those operations under control stand down the malignant ones that are targeting ET craft and victimizing other humans with abductions mutilations threats and then we also need to have somebody with enough vision to say "Wow
• 218:00 - 218:30 well if we're not alone in the universe maybe we should reach out." I mean Mr trump reached out to Putin and Zalinski maybe we need to learn to reach out to out there mhm so let's reach out to these civilizations and began a Rath Prol and a dialogue that's the whole concept of the reason I started this whole project was for that reason well on that and I got diverted into these other things but that's the real purpose is let's go forward in a in a world where we're at peace yeah and we're in
• 218:30 - 219:00 peace and space we've transformed our whole civilization into a new high-tech society and poverty vanishes within a generation i may live to see you will my children will and and let's have a new world that's a beautiful note to end on let's move forth into a utopia not hit the great filter let out all this suppressed technology and commune with the extraterrestrials thank you so much for your time Dr green i really
• 219:00 - 219:30 appreciate it this was an honor thank you