Tech Thursdays | Ep79 | All the X870E motherboards compared, CUDIMM, Ryzen 9000 and DDR5 8000 1:2

Summary

Highlights

• ASRock's Nova is the standout motherboard at $350, offering unparalleled features without compromising GPU lanes. 🥇
• Gigabyte appeals to content creators with multiple PCIe X4 slots, ideal for live streaming setups. 📹
• MSI's Tomahawk shines in the mid-tier range, offering superb value and features like a quick disconnect and post-code debug. ⚙️
• ASUS Hero supports advanced overclocking with its unique asynchronous e-clock feature, appealing to high-end users. 🔌
• The introduction of CUDIMM expands future DDR5 capabilities, led by MSI's proactive support. 📈

Key Takeaways

• ASRock's x870 Nova offers unbeatable value with no GPU lane sharing and extensive features, making it the best buy. 🏆
• Gigabyte targets live streamers with rich PCIe slots for capture cards, providing excellent connectivity options. 🎥
• MSI introduces CUDIMM support out of the box, paving the way for future memory upgrades. 🛠️
• ASUS stands out for overclocking support, although at a higher price, providing amazing power for enthusiasts. 🔧
• DDR5 8000 emerges as a sweet spot for memory performance, well-supported by the new Ryzen 9000 CPUs. 🌟

Overview

Chapters

• 00:00 - 09:00: Music Intro This chapter marks the introduction to the music section. The transcript only contains the indication of music being played, suggesting it serves as a prelude or transition within the content.
• 13:00 - 15:30: Introduction and Stream Info This chapter introduces the content of the stream with some background music playing.
• 15:30 - 27:30: X870 Motherboard Overview The chapter titled 'X870 Motherboard Overview' likely provides an introduction and detailed overview of the X870 motherboard. The presence of music suggests a multimedia or video presentation format. As there is no further content, it is possible that this chapter serves as an introductory segment, setting the tone for more in-depth discussions on the motherboard's features, specifications, and applications in following sections.
• 27:30 - 41:00: Overclocking and Features Discussion This chapter begins with the introduction of music, setting a tone for the topic discussion. The focus of this chapter is on overclocking and the various features associated with it. Overclocking refers to the practice of increasing the clock rate of a computer's CPU or GPU beyond the manufacturer's specifications to boost performance. Discussion may include benefits such as increased speed and performance, as well as potential risks like overheating or system instability if proper cooling measures are not taken. The chapter may also explore different tools and software used for overclocking, user experiences, and the impact on hardware longevity. Advanced features or recent trends in overclocking technology could also be part of the discussion. The summary highlights key aspects and expert opinions shared in the chapter, serving as a guide to the intricate details covered.
• 41:00 - 53:00: Discussion on USB4 and PCIe Lanes Introduction to the technological advancements in USB4 and PCIe lanes.
• 53:00 - 57:30: ASRock Taichi Review The chapter provides a review of the ASRock Taichi motherboard, likely starting with an introduction featuring background music.
• 57:30 - 65:00: ASRock Nova Review The chapter begins with a musical introduction and provides a review of the ASRock Nova, highlighting its features, performance, and specifications. The review covers various aspects such as design, hardware, and usability, providing insights and opinions on the product's overall value. It offers a comprehensive analysis for potential buyers looking into the ASRock Nova.
• 65:00 - 81:00: MSI Godlike Review The chapter titled 'MSI Godlike Review' begins with applause, indicating a positive reception or anticipation.
• 81:00 - 120:00: Conclusion and Recommendations The chapter titled 'Conclusion and Recommendations' seems to have the majority of its content missing, as it only contains '[Music]' in the transcript, which typically indicates an audio placeholder for music being played rather than spoken content. Without additional details from the chapter, it's challenging to provide a comprehensive summary. If the music is hypothetically setting a tone, one might suggest that it's meant to underscore closing thoughts or underscore the importance of the final recommendations, leaving the specifics to the accompanying text not provided in the 'Transcript'.

Tech Thursdays | Ep79 | All the X870E motherboards compared, CUDIMM, Ryzen 9000 and DDR5 8000 1:2 Transcription

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• 13:00 - 13:30 [Music] all right guys we we'll get started here in a little bit I don't want to start too early I normally start at the top of the hour um just to give people a chance to see the notific ification that the stream is going live um but yeah we
• 13:30 - 14:00 typically start at 900 p.m. Eastern 600 p.m. Pacific 8:00 P.M Central uh North American time so just for those that are tuning in and you're new to the channel so we are going to be going over all of the mo well not all not every single one but almost all of the new x870 and x870 motherboards so uh we will be going over we'll try to
• 14:00 - 14:30 be going over them in depth as much as possible I'm going to try to cover all of them especially the lane sharing because I think a lot of the um a lot of the confusion or a lot of the questions that I keep seeing crop up in comments on live streams like my live streams or on Bill zoy live stream which he was doing a overclock stream for a pretty long time today I watch watched a little bit of his stream I
• 14:30 - 15:00 kind of jumped in there in the middle I saw what he was doing so we're we're going to talk about overclocking toward the end of the stream but I feel like I want to cover the things that um are lesser known like for example the lane sharing what to be aware of which motherboard to get if you're somebody who doesn't want the GPU to lose bandwidth lanes because there are options not every single one of these motherboards
• 15:00 - 15:30 steel Lanes from the graphics card U but and we're going to go into all of them so just keep that in mind uh but yeah so if you're new to the channel we do these these live streams that are kind of more formal live streams compared to the ones where you see me playing a game and stuff like that and people will just talk about random things so on Thursdays we dedicate the live stream to going over to something usually it's a tech related topic So today we're going to be covering motherboards specifically the
• 15:30 - 16:00 new x870 motherboards is it worth getting those if you're on an older motherboard like an x670 motherboard or a b650 motherboard or if you're somebody who is upgrading or thinking of upgrading from a much older platform so uh this is probably going to be a pretty useful video or live stream for you to tune into and then we're going to talk about overclocking at the end of The Stream So if you stick around till the end we will go over overclocking both ddr5 overclocking as
• 16:00 - 16:30 well as CPU overclocking because there are some new tools that and new benefits that you can get at least technically I don't know if it'll it's guaranteed because it's overclocking overclocking is never guaranteed but there are some new uh useful features here that you can get if you are someone who's looking to upgrade so anyway with that said uh let's see what uh people are saying here yeah we're going to talk about the Nova we are definitely going to talk about the Nova there's going to be a whole segment
• 16:30 - 17:00 dedicated that one motherboard uh you finished the Nvidia advisory panel questioner and named you as one of the two most watched Harbor channels the other being oh interesting okay I appreciate it I appreciate it man yeah I need I either someone from Nvidia needs to reach out to me or I need to probably start contacting them because I would love to get a review sample from them of the 5090 or the 5080 I don't have to keep it if they want me to send it back I I'll gladly ship it back to them but just to have it in hand so I
• 17:00 - 17:30 can create some videos about it and kind of go over it but yeah that would be cool um but anyway let's get into it we have a lot to cover this might be a very long live stream depending on how many or how quickly we go through some of the motherboards as well as answer questions so I do have here the official now that the Embargo is up we can show the official documentation from AMD and the motherboard
• 17:30 - 18:00 partners that showcases how the chipset is engineered how it's laid out in terms of a functional block diagram so what you see here this is the x870 chipset diagram it is basically identical to X 670e the one difference is down here you might notice there's this ASM 4242 now there's something interesting here that I want to point out now one of
• 18:00 - 18:30 the things that I notice in this diagram is the the ASM 4242 which is also known as the usb4 chipset from as media AMD shows officially that it should take four lanes of PCI Gen 4 as we already know if you've been watching my streams you would have already known that that that this usb4 chipset requires for Lanes of PCI Gen 4 for
• 18:30 - 19:00 bandwidth and that also means that it supports pcie tunneling which means you can connect things like an external graphics card in an egpu enclosure you can literally plug one of those in to your USB 4 port and it will work just like it works on laptops it will also work on these x870 and x870 motherboards because think about it it makes sense uh what do you plug a graphics card into normally you plug it
• 19:00 - 19:30 into a pcie slot well what does the ASM plug into a pcie slot so when you plug the graphics card into the USB 4 Port it uses PCI tunneling to basically pass it through to the PCI Lanes so you can use an egpu you can use monitors because it has display port alt mode you can plug monitors into those USB 4 ports uh you can plug a a thunderbolt device like a thunderbolt 3 storage device or a thunderbolt 4 storage device you can also use a thunderbolt 4 or Thunderbolt
• 19:30 - 20:00 3 4K capture card which is what I personally use these for because I do stream occasionally and we will do this next month we will be streaming and doing some comparisons of the PlayStation 5 Pro so the PlayStation 5 Pro I can basically combine it with my computer so I can basically play all my PS game or my PlayStation 5 games on my PC as though they were play PC games so that's one of the benefits of having
• 20:00 - 20:30 usb4 that no one really talks about uh people kind of yawn when or roll their eyes when they hear oh usb4 usb4 but I don't think they really think of what this technology actually offers it actually offers a lot of things that you can't do with normal USBC so anyway that's number one but the main thing is it they're showing AMD is showing that it connects to the chipset however as we know from from studying a lot of these
• 20:30 - 21:00 motherboards the manufacturers like Asus and the others are for some reason opting to wire the usb4 chip directly to the CPU socket so instead so if you guys look here notice here we have uh 16 Lanes of pcie Gen 5 and then we have four lanes of PCI Gen 5 and then another four lanes of Gen 5 so normally you
• 21:00 - 21:30 would get a graphics card that can run at 16 Gen 5 lanes and then you have if the graphics card supports Gen 5 so obviously the 50 Series or amds rdna 4 those will at least we can assume that the newer graphics cards coming next year will be gen five graphics cards so they can benefit from the full PCI Gen 5 support uh but also here we have four lanes of Gen 5 that are wired to an nvme
• 21:30 - 22:00 m.2 drive so you're always guaranteed an m.2 Gen 5 slot but here there's a second one so there's a second one just like x670 however for some reason a lot of these motherboards are the the manufacturers have decided for whatever reason to use up they basically burn the second set of four lanes because they're connecting it straight to the ASM 4242 for USB 4 now
• 22:00 - 22:30 technically that is a waste because these are gen five Lanes these are precious Gen 5 lanes and you know companies like MSI gigabyte Asus those three for some reason well okay ASRock as well but we'll talk about ack a little bit because they're doing something unique the all of them have opted to for some reason burn up five Gen 5 lanes for
• 22:30 - 23:00 a Gen 4 USB 4 controller so they I don't understand why they do that I have no idea because AMD literally right here they show in the reference document that it's supposed to go to the chipset which is exactly how the x670 motherboards that offered USB 4 operate for example the x670 Crosshair here hero from Asus
• 23:00 - 23:30 didn't use CPU Gen 5 lanes for their USB 4 controller they used the chipset Lanes to do that on the previous gen however for some reason on the x870 hero this time around they used the Gen 5 Lanes which I think is kind of a waste so I really don't know why all these motherboard manufacturers did that but that's how they did it so what that mean means is if your motherboard if if
• 23:30 - 24:00 an x870 e motherboard only includes one Gen 5 SSD slot that means that there's a pretty good chance there's a very high chance that that motherboard does not steal Lanes from the graphics card to provide additional m.2 slots so this is the rule of thumb if if you look at a motherboard an x870 motherboard and if
• 24:00 - 24:30 you see that it only advertises one Gen 5 slot there's a good chance that that GPU on that motherboard always runs at 16 Lanes with the one caveat being that there's a multiplexer included for the second PCI slot an X8 PCI slot to take Lanes from the GPU but that that is that's how they've always operated that's completely standard procedure for most motherboards so
• 24:30 - 25:00 that's not a big deal but it's it's the use of m.2 or the use of what could have been GPU Lanes but instead they're giving those to nvme drives that is where I think a lot of the the hangup occurs where people are getting confused in terms of what motherboard to get so the perfect motherboard does exist we will get into it it just kind of depends on what exactly you're looking for um so anyway that's kind of the main takeaway
• 25:00 - 25:30 and then you can see so the primary chip has all these USB ports connected and then the second one has more USB ports connected but then it has nvme so typically you'll see two nvme gen 4 off of the second chip you'll see one nvme or no nvme off of the primary chip and then you'll see at least one nvme Gen 5 off of the CPU directly if not two however I have yet to see a
• 25:30 - 26:00 motherboard unless the Godlike is doing it where the Godlike is giving you two Gen 5 without taking Lanes which means the Godlike possibly had wired the USB for to the chipset like they're supposed to cuz that's what AMD is showing what you're supposed to do so I don't know we we'll get into it but that's kind of the the overall uh layout for this and then just to go over the x87 so I don't know why okay it's it's
• 26:00 - 26:30 hilarious how they put x870 here cuz it's like no but that's confusing because this is an x870 motherboard block diagram but anyway so for x870 it's very easy all you do is you subtract the middle chipset so if you if you want to derive x870 from x87 you basically erase the primary chipset you take the CPU and you
• 26:30 - 27:00 take the second chip you connect them together and you get x870 that's what x870 is so x870 is basically a Rebrand of B 650e with USB 4 just like x870 is basically x670 with mandatory USB 4 that's really the only significant difference now obviously
• 27:00 - 27:30 Wi-Fi 7 is also a newer technology that all of these motherboards have which the older ones don't because the older ones are 2 years old now just keep that in mind so anyway that's that's part of the details there and then also if we go over the am5 chipset family where they list all of them uh the main thing I want to call out here is look at the x870 and then also pay attention to the
• 27:30 - 28:00 b650 if you look at x870 and b650 they both have the same number of Gen 5 lanes and they have the same number of Gen 4 lanes and they have the same number of gen three lanes in terms of total Lane count so like I said x870 is B 650e not b650 it's B 650e and it's definitely not X 670 because x670 is
• 28:00 - 28:30 dual chipset however it operates 20 of the P of the CPU Lanes at Gen 4 instead of Gen 5 so that is the main difference between x670 and x870 all right so that is the chipset family and then I guess the last thing well we'll probably talk about this later the other thing too I think everybody at this point knows is the main talking point is DDR
• 28:30 - 29:00 58000 ddr5 8000 AMD is claiming this is the new sweet spot so if you have if you're getting an x870 motherboard or an x870 motherboard and you're trying to go for the highest n offering in terms of the ddr5 memory so what does that look like that would be something like these for instance the gskill Trident z5s these are 8,000 they have 8,000 kits
• 29:00 - 29:30 now there's other ones too that are also rated for 8,000 but those are kind of finicky those aren't those currently aren't really on the qvl list so they'll probably work more consistently with bios updates but currently if you want ddr5 8000 you're going to want to get the memory kit that is in the description of this video down below I can I can basically state with high confidence that 8000 ddr5 works pretty
• 29:30 - 30:00 easily on the new x870 and x870 motherboards I have tested this kit of memory with the 950x and it works totally fine 100% stable y cruncher stable m test stable at 8000 on the x870 hero it works 100% stable on the older x670 orus master and an x67 steel Legend So I've tested it on on actually Four motherboards cuz I've also
• 30:00 - 30:30 tested it on an orus elite and it works perfectly stable on that as well and I have tested four different CPUs and five different four no five different No 2 gigabyte one ASRock one as four motherboards four CPUs same kit of memory actually two different I should say two different kits of 8,000 both of them work all CPUs work and all motherboards work so yeah this is kind of the new Sweet
• 30:30 - 31:00 Spot why do we why do I recommend this why does AMD recommend 8,000 over the old sweet spot because 8,000 is faster than 6,000 however I want to cave out this if your cpu's memory controller can handle 6400 in a one:1 ratio that will give you virtually the exact same performance as the DDR 58,000 as Tech PowerUp has shown
• 31:00 - 31:30 however 6,000 or no not 6,000 6400 at Gear 1 or one: one ratio is harder to do on most average CPUs compared to ddr5 8000 believe it or not I can confirm I have tested four different ryzen CPUs including my new 950x none of of them can do 6400 one:1
• 31:30 - 32:00 stable but all of them can do ddr5 8000 stable so for my own testing and I've been testing this for over a year now with various different CPUs including x3d CPUs non X3 x3d CPUs as well as the new 9,000 CPUs all of them can do 8,000 very consistently and none of them can do 6,400 in Gear 1 so that is the reason why AMD
• 32:00 - 32:30 is recommending 8000 because they know internally that it is easier to do this than 6400 Gear 1 so uh that is the reason why this is in the marketing material and 6400 is never mentioned my 950x is the opposite of build zoids uh I don't I kind of question the type of memory kit that is using that memory kit that he's using doesn't look like it's on any qvl list
• 32:30 - 33:00 that I've seen I don't have that memory kit that he has so I don't know um I yeah I don't know exactly what's going on over there um I did I was in his chat I think some of you guys probably saw me in his chat I to I was the guy that kept telling him use like I remember he had vssoc at 1.3 volts I kept telling him put 1.2 put 1.2 finally he did 1.2 then he started making a little bit more progress I told I also was the guy who kept telling him set pro ODT to 48 ohms or 60
• 33:00 - 33:30 ohms eventually he did that and then I think he also did some other thing where he stopped trying to mess with the F clock and then it started working better but yeah I don't know I had to leave that stream at a certain point if you can do 8,000 on the yeah if you can do 8,000 on x670 and there's a good chance you can uh it's so one of the things that
• 33:30 - 34:00 the 80 the x870 does better than x670 is the way that their Engineers uh did the path for the wires so when they made the first generation motherboards you know they're basically basing the technology off of the first generation or the first attempt at ddr5 motherboards whereas with x870 they've taken the learnings the experience of
• 34:00 - 34:30 how to do it better and they've applied that to x870 so this is the same with Intel guys if you guys remember the difference between z690 and z790 on Intel in terms of the memory speeds you can expect the same sort of optimizations made to the newer motherboards on amd's new motherboards this is the reason why when you look at Asus they're well we'll just use Asus as an example Asus is touting a technology
• 34:30 - 35:00 called [Music] memory support on the carbon um so yeah
• 35:00 - 35:30 we're going to get into all of these we're going to we're going to go through every single one all these different tabs that I have open we're going to go through every single motherboard including some special motherboards like the NZXT new motherboard and the biostar valkyrie assuming we have enough time we'll go over those as well but the rule of thumb is if you if you can do 8,000 on x670 then yeah it'll definitely work on
• 35:30 - 36:00 x870 assuming you're using the same CPU but even if you had the newer CPU it would work also so okay um let's RK you've been running the ace at 8,000 for over yeah me too man I've been running 8,000 like no problem on the orus like on the steel Legend from azrock I've been running 8,000 on that thing all year I've been running 8,000 all year so uh I recommend so here's the thing
• 36:00 - 36:30 guys look at if you if you look at the description of my video if you look at the description of the live stream you will see I have posted this memory kit this is the memory kit that I have done all of the ddr5 8000 testing with so I can attest that it works one of the secrets of this memory kit compared to other 8,000 memory kits including the one that buildzoid uses this memory kit does 8,000 at
• 36:30 - 37:00 1.35 volts 1.35 volts which means the memory runs cold the memory doesn't heat up now if you're running higher voltages like 1.4 1.43 1.45 Etc if you're running that type of voltage you need to have active cool in like a cooling fan over your RAM
• 37:00 - 37:30 otherwise you are going to have difficulty with stability because once memory that's the other thing too once ddr5 gets above say 55° C you can encounter instability very quickly so you want to keep the memory temperatures down and that is the reason why my rule of thumb is highest speed at lowest voltage because that guarantees an
• 37:30 - 38:00 easier time trying to overclock the memory and you don't have to worry about a system fan or some cooling fan over your RAM at that kind of voltage so anyway that is and that's actually what what AMD showing funny how I I found the memory kit at the beginning of this year or actually the end of last year and then now fast forward to the launch of these motherboards and now AMD magically is showing Trident Z5 the exact same uh memory so interesting how it's like oh okay well I guess they knew full circle
• 38:00 - 38:30 because I kind of figured out on my own but these guys are now basically showing all the answers on the exam so anyway okay so let's start let's go over these motherboards let's start with gigabyte we'll do gigabyte followed by Asus ASRock and MSI then we'll do biostar and NZXT so if you're looking for so okay who is the orus master for the orus
• 38:30 - 39:00 master is probably for somebody who wants to be a twitch streamer somebody who wants to be a variety streamer like l or asmin gold or uh San or one of those type of streamers like if you want if you want to be able to do variety streams where not only do you do talking head content but you also do which is funnily enough what this is but if you want to do like you want to be able to stream like the popular game when it's
• 39:00 - 39:30 new and you want to be able to get that visibility early on that means you need to have access to the PlayStation 5 exclusives like astrobot for example when that game came out people who streamed that got all the people that were interested in that while people who weren't streaming it they didn't get the viewers for that so that's exact that's an example of what this motherboard's for why because this motherboard offers two PCI X four lanes at the bottom slot
• 39:30 - 40:00 so I could literally plug in a capture card for the PlayStation 5 Pro and I could plug another capture card in for a like a high-end dlsr uh camera for the live stream or I could plug it in for the Xbox series X so I could literally stream either Playstation or Xbox or PC all in one the orus master can do that so the orus master is definitely a good choice for kind of
• 40:00 - 40:30 that that Creator slash TV personality streamer Entertainer type type A personality that's kind of Who the orus Master is for at least this version of it the new one should you wait for 995 x3d if I'm streaming or just go with uh to be honest the eight core is going to be totally fine fine for streaming because you because today
• 40:30 - 41:00 nowadays everyone uses the GPU to do the encoding so like in this case I'm streaming 1440p 60 frames per second right now but I'm not using the CPU to encode the stream even though I have a 16 core CPU in here the graphics card in this case the 7900 XTX is what is encoding the live stream so you don't actually need a big heavy core count CPU for live streaming believe it or not now
• 41:00 - 41:30 if we were talking 10 years ago yes you would need the most powerful CPU you could find which back then was six core a six core CPU 10 years ago was the best it was an H HT Intel uh Intel Sandy Bridge e or IV Bridge e and I think Haswell e actually Haswell e might have been the latest and greatest at the time so you know the
• 41:30 - 42:00 5960x on Intel's x99 platform I can't believe that thing is 10 years old now that's crazy man and that was a six core actually I think they had an eight core I think they had an eight core but it was $1,000 for an 8or CPU think about that okay uh we will save any discussion on Intel to the end of the Stream So if you want to hear about the upcoming Intel CPUs you got to stick around to the end because we are going to dedicate most of this stream to the motherboards because the motherboards are the new thing and at this point all the Intel
• 42:00 - 42:30 stuff is mostly speculation so okay so this is basically the streamer's motherboard that's basically what it is you can run a ton of capture cards you can run two capture cards internal you can run two capture cards external all the capture cards can do 4K 60 with HDR so this is this is like the Entertainer type motherboard as far as as I can tell I was trying to think long and hard about who this motherboard's for what is
• 42:30 - 43:00 the use case and I thought okay Entertainer type content creation media that's basically what this is so that's the orus master it that being said it is an eight layer PCB low loss 2x copper PCB premium choke and capacitor Dennis D with the sub thanks for the sub much appreciated so if you're new the channel you're thinking of building a PC or you're a longtime
• 43:00 - 43:30 hobbyist that has built lots of PCS this is definitely the sort of content that you're going to be interested in so you know this motherboard you can overclock it is gigaby it is one of gigabytes higher and motherboards this is Believe It or Not gigabyte actually has an even higher end motherboard on the way so there will be gigabyte has confirmed that there will be an X 870e orus extreme extreme spelled with an X not an e an X so there will be an
• 43:30 - 44:00 even higher tier gigabyte board at some point soon within the next two months I would say they're going to release a even higher end board so I don't know what that means in terms of how that would line up with the the 90 like the 9000 x3d launch but just know that gigabyte has one more skew that is higher end than the master but the master is typically where it kind of levels off in terms of the value like
• 44:00 - 44:30 once you once you go beyond the orus master you start hitting you severely run into something called diminishing returns where you're just throwing more money at a product and you're not really getting much in return for that extra spend so I think the master is it strikes the right balance in terms of the highend where it's expensive but at the same time it's the limit on
• 44:30 - 45:00 what you would get in terms of value like once you go above $500 cuz it's a $500 motherboard you're not really going to get much more but we'll see what they do with the extreme you bought the xt70 tomahawk we will be talking about the tomahawk we're going to be covering every single brand every single motherboard so yeah this is the twitch streamers board yeah it's got all the RGB it's got RGB on the bottom it's got RGB up here you know it's it's That gamery glowy Neon cyberpunk 2077 looking
• 45:00 - 45:30 motherboard that's basically what the orus master looks like that's basically what it is it's got the shiny RGB over there on that glass panel that's reflective so um yeah and then they've got some other ones here in terms of actually let's let's look briefly at the block diagram uh wow they've added a lot they've added a lot of documentation gigabyte has I
• 45:30 - 46:00 would say gigabyte is one of the best in terms of their documentation so what do I mean what does it mean to have good documentation one I want to see the layout of the board and two even more important or just as important I want to see the block diagram ezrael thanks for the sub welcome to the channel but this is very nice the gigabyte
• 46:00 - 46:30 provides the detailed block diagram because this way you can easily visualize for example if the motherboard takes Lanes from the graphics card slot to power additional Gen 5 capable m.2 slots so as you can see gigabyte takes eight Lanes from the GPU to provide two additional Gen 5 ssds so you get one
• 46:30 - 47:00 guaranteed one that has its own dedicated Lanes then you have two additional that take lanes that share Lanes I should say with the GPU so as soon as you plug in either one of these which are going to be m2b and m2c which would be this one the ver this bottom one here and this one uh next to it so the nice thing about it is if you're looking at if you're if you're building your PC and you're looking at the motherboard
• 47:00 - 47:30 they label it so notice how it says M2 aore CPU that means it's wired directly to the am5 socket completely bypassing the chipset the old one is expiring in the description of the channel uh really is it is it expired or is it expiring I can fix it after the
• 47:30 - 48:00 stream is the motherboard any good the new we'll talk about that well hang on we'll we'll get to the tomahawk I definitely will be covering the tomahawk so if it says CPU it means that it connects directly to the CPU if it says SB how many of you in the chat knows what SB stands for but they also have the letter see like a that means this is the first one B this is the second one C is the third one D is the fourth one but
• 48:00 - 48:30 does anybody know what SB stands for this will determine if you've been a PC builder for a long time South Bridge South Bridge Shar bandwidth shared shared South Beach all right the correct answer is South Bridge SB stands for Southbridge long ago motherboards used to have something called a North Bridge and a South Bridge but at a
• 48:30 - 49:00 certain point AMD when AMD made the a new memory architecture they basically unified the North Bridge they basically integrated the North Bridge that used to live on the motherboard they pulled it into the CPU and effectively made an S so or a system on chip so the North Bridge plus an AMD CPU be comes a system on a chip which is basically what the am5 socket is so you can kind of think
• 49:00 - 49:30 of anything that says CPU means that it's wired to a North Bridge if we go back to this you can think of the socket am5 as the traditional North Bridge and then you also remember there's an SB a South Bridge so the South Bridge is the downstream uh chip it's the second chip that typically is responsible for things
• 49:30 - 50:00 like USB SATA connections and other peripherals so that's what the South Bridge does but in the modern era we no longer use North Bridge and Southbridge now there's just the socket which used to be the North Bridge but it's now inside the CPU and we still have the South Bridge but now because there's no North Bridge everyone just calls it chipset this case x870 chipset so you can think of the chipset as the South Bridge and
• 50:00 - 50:30 the socket as what was was once known as the North Bridge so what happened here oh okay so if it says CPU it goes directly to the CPU if it says SB it goes to the chipset so if we look here in the block diagram and this is why the block diagram is so useful remember CPU CPU and CPU all three of these m.2 drives they are Gen 5 capable and they
• 50:30 - 51:00 wire directly into the CPU meanwhile this other one notice how it says m2d SB Southbridge Southbridge means the chipset so this one is a Gen 4 and it goes directly into the chipset so that's how gigabyte has done that and what makes this a streamer motherboard is the addition of these two there's a PCI 4.0 X4 so you can run a 4K capture card you could probably even run an technically
• 51:00 - 51:30 an 8K capture card but those don't really exist yet but you can run one of those off of this and you can run a 4K 60 capture card off of this other one so you can do like for example I can run the PlayStation 5 Pro off of this one I can run the Xbox series X off of this one so or vice versa doesn't really matter but at the end of the day if you didn't want to use a console you could add 10 GB landan via an add-in card to this one and you could add you know like
• 51:30 - 52:00 uh one of those PCI add-in cards for an additional fifth m.2 drive so you could do M do2s off of these if you wanted to so overall it's a pretty solid board for a content creator I would say because it has a lot of traditional PCI slots and they're useful slots they're not those garbage X1 slots that that the only thing that I can think of using those with would be like a sound card but you
• 52:00 - 52:30 could plug a sound card into one of these if you wanted to use a highend sound card so you know lots of different options you could do sound card you could do 10 gig landan you could do dual 10 gig landan I mean you know you could do you could do two 10 gigs off of one of these and it's it's like remember two if you want 10 gig landan 10 gig Lan only needs two lanes of gen 3 bandwidth which means I could run a dual 10 gig
• 52:30 - 53:00 card off of this and I still have this free open slot so this is a decent motherboard in that regard the only downside and I said this on a previous live stream when I first looked at this board is that they are kind of technically they're short changing you because down here there there are supposed to be four lanes down here they're doing one lane of gen 3 or Gen 4 to Wi-Fi and they're doing one lane for 5 gig so they could have added a 2.5 gig
• 53:00 - 53:30 D so they could have dual land or they could have actually taken the two remaining lanes and they could have just given you 10 gig landan on the back natively so that is kind of a let down uh it is a $500 motherboard so I feel like this bus at the bottom should have had either 10 gig landan or A fifth m.2 or you know some something should have been here and that is the biggest knock
• 53:30 - 54:00 against the gigabyte orus Master otherwise it is still an okay motherboard it's eight layer it's got everything else that all the other motherboards have in terms of feature parody so um it's four SATA you know they could have given you two more SATA off of this so you could have gotten six SATA or 10 gig land or I mean the the possibilities are endless in terms of what they could have done but they didn't do so that's why this is definitely not an S tier motherboard um
• 54:00 - 54:30 but it is I would say it's like a it's like a high b or a tier board overall picked up the e-e okay yeah we'll be talking about that one next well not next but once we're done with gigabyte we'll talk about that so next up we have the x870 orus elite Wi-Fi so this one is more of a cost optimized version I believe this motherboard is in the $ 300ish doll
• 54:30 - 55:00 range uh one of the biggest improvements I do want to point this out because some people are saying oh W if you're upgrading just buy x670 save the money whatever realistically you're not really saving that much more money if you do the price comparisons for the appropriate comparison like for example if we compare an elite to an old Elite if we compare the current the new Master to the old master although I think the old Master is a very good motherboard but uh if we compare lower and more
• 55:00 - 55:30 budget oriented boards the the mid-range lower-end Boards of the newer boards are offering you better things for example this motherboard offers a postcode debug the old orus Elite did not have a postcode debug so it's very nice to see a postcode debug on a $300 Mother board compared to in the past with last gen if
• 55:30 - 56:00 you wanted a post code on x670 you were paying $450 to $500 minimum just to get a postcode debug so I feel like one of the biggest improvements in terms of practicality on these new boards is most of them have post code debugs now and most of them have quick disconnect buttons for for the GPU so it's much easier to remove the GPU no more sticking a screwdriver
• 56:00 - 56:30 between your giant noctua aircooler to try to detach your GPU if you're doing a GPU upgrade for example so it's very nice they got some quality of life uh things features on these newer boards that I think it's worth considering if you're doing a new build so the orus elite it's basically like the orus master except it is uh it's missing the RGB it's got a little it's like I think it doesn't even
• 56:30 - 57:00 have any RGB actually oh it does have some it's got some RGB near the SATA ports for some reason um and it is a six layer PCB whereas the orus master is an eight layer PCB so if you're trying to run ddr5 at 8,000 for example you're going to have a much easier time pulling that off with the orus master because it has better electrical noise isolation
• 57:00 - 57:30 because it is an eight layer PCB versus the elite which is a six layer PCB so that is one of the differences there between those two and that's that's that's one of the reasons why the orus master cost more money more layers better overclocking exactly yeah so if we look at let's take a look at this one's manual unless I just their website crashed oh there we go they're what I was going slow for a second all right uh let's see so orus Elite so similar to
• 57:30 - 58:00 the master so I like that it has the post code that's very nice to see on a $300 motherboard because it's like that's a $200 price drop now they have the thing that I wanted okay so CPU CPU CPU and then SB so just like the master they're doing the same thing where they're basically doing you know
• 58:00 - 58:30 like lane sharing um so that's that's a popular thing for some reason share Lanes with the GPU for m.2 drives uh but they're doing the same thing so this is also a streamer motherboard I've it's got dual X4 down there um and then it has this okay so so this one has 2.5 gig land whereas the master has 5 gig land so there's a downgrade on the landan there's a downgrade on the layers and the RGB other than that uh
• 58:30 - 59:00 everything is pretty much the same unless the master has a few more USB ports on the back or something but otherwise they're virtually very very similar in terms of the actual IO so that is the elite and then if we look at the the pro ice so this is the pro the nice thing about the pro you still get the button to disconnect the GPU you still get a postcode debug so it's very nice to see it just like the elite
• 59:00 - 59:30 it is a six layer PCB um so it's probably going to be of a similar price point to the elite the difference may be that one of them has more connectivity on the back if I had to guess let's see so the elite has 2 46 8 10 10 USB type A some of them are Gen 2
• 59:30 - 60:00 or USB 2.0 some of them are 5 gig some of them are 10 gig so it's kind of a mix uh 2.5 gig land this one has 2.5 gig land to 4 6 8 n so nine so this one has one less USB port compared to the elite however this I feel like if you've got eight you USB type A and the two USB 4 uh which is
• 60:00 - 60:30 the type C those that's that's good enough I feel like the minimum would be six USB type a um just because like if we look at the the master right the master so remember how I was saying content creator streamer this is definitely a streamer's uh back plate because or I guess the io on the back because imagine how many things a streamer needs to plug into this they need to plug in the webcam or the camera or or both if they're running multiple uh they need to plug in a USB microphone
• 60:30 - 61:00 like the Elgato Wave 3 that's two already or maybe three they need the mouse the keyboard unless they're using Wireless but if there're if they're hardcore they're using wired because it's lower latency and they don't have to worry about batteries dying so that's already we're up to we're already up to five USB type A ports and then if they need a game controller like if you need to plug in a game controller for example that's another USB Type A so that's already six USBs for a streamer like take it from me
• 61:00 - 61:30 as someone who is doing live streams like this uh I can already count I 1 two 3 four five six 7even I'm already using seven type A ports on the back of my motherboard so it it fills up pretty quick so that's really good it looks like these don't fail there uh I would imagine that this one did I already open the no I didn't
• 61:30 - 62:00 open the block diagram on this yet maybe the new modules will have better memory support though yeah maybe we'll talk about we're going to be talking about overclocking toward the end we just have to get through all of these for people that are interested in upgrading I need to kind of cover all this so uh looks like gigabyte is doing the same thing on all of these boards so this is basically identical to the elite
• 62:00 - 62:30 except it has one less USB port on the back so they're still doing the two x4s which is interesting because I think gigabyte is the only motherboard manufacturer that went with dual X4 pcie slots so they probably took the criticism of everybody with the last gen although gigabyte was still pretty good at that so a lot of people were like where are all the pcie well gigabyte
• 62:30 - 63:00 heard them loud and clear because they're offering a bunch of pcie like there's a bunch of PCI slots and these are usable X4 slots which are the good ones not X1 those are the lousy ones so that's really good um yeah so okay Bard all of them are missing like two all of them are not using two lanes on the second chip set but at this point they're all consistent I guess so if you're someone who who
• 63:00 - 63:30 wants to run a lot of m.2 on the board directly and you don't want to like use these two for m.2 addin cards because you could technically do that and then still save your full 16 on the GPU meaning you could still do one two three four M do2s assuming you plug in addin cards that convert the PCI to an m.2 Drive slot if you do that technically
• 63:30 - 64:00 you could do four M do2s and still maintain 16 Lanes on the GPU and then if you really wanted uh like a fifth and a sixth drive you could plug those in here but then the the GPU runs at X8 so that's a total of six m.2 drives on this motherboard so not terrible when you think about it that way but I would say say overall fairly consistent gigabyte seems fairly
• 64:00 - 64:30 consistent in terms of all of these boards essentially use the same layout they all have a consistent spacing in terms of where the PCI slot placement is the nice thing about this is you can fill the top slot with a 4090 or a thick GPU and you can still use the second and third PCI slot there won't be any problem with clearance you know being able to use these so that's really
• 64:30 - 65:00 good okay so we covered the pro and the elite and the last one here would be the so this is the x870 so this is not x870 this is x870 so what does that mean this is a Rebrand of B 650e which means it still has 24 Lanes of gen five and uh the one chip so this is basically going to look like that so
• 65:00 - 65:30 overall this is going to be your you know $200 board I would say somewhere around there so the nice thing about it though is even though it is x870 it still has a postcode debug so it looks like gigabyte has a pretty solid lineup in terms of consistency so you're still getting same slot layout you're still
• 65:30 - 66:00 getting the button for the quick disconnect and you're still getting the postc code but you're not paying you know $500 for a postcode debug now so overall I would say this one I mean it's a cost reduced version it's a more a more affordable option but it still provides all the quality of life improvements for the newer motherboards anyway let's look at the the manual real quick so this one is a oh
• 66:00 - 66:30 wow wow this one still offers 4 m.2 oh yeah I guess yeah yeah they could do that okay that makes sense so however what is the lane layout going to be that's this is very interesting okay so CPU SB CPU CPU so that means just like all the other boards they're doing you know Lanes off of the plx for additional m.2 drive so you can still do
• 66:30 - 67:00 three gen 5 just like the highest 10 gab board and then okay so so here they have more lane sharing because it is a single chip notice there's only one they don't have the daisy chain because this is an x870 not an x870 x870 means dual chipset x870 means single chipset so here they have a switch so you can either do X4 or a fourth
• 67:00 - 67:30 m.2 so they give you that option then there is a 3.0 TW Lane slot this can be used for a sound card this can also be used for 10 gabit ethernet so if you have a gen 3 it has to be a gen 3 10 gbit card you can plug that into this X2 slot and you can still get full 10 gig bandwidth off of just two lanes that is the required amount of
• 67:30 - 68:00 lanes for 10 gig ethernet so that's gen 3 two lanes so this is perfect for 10 gig ethern I actually have a video demonstrating this um so and it shows that you only need two lanes anyway so then there's Wi-Fi and this so let's see so they are actually using every single Lane available or wait are they where's the SATA oh yes they are so gigabyte is using all of the resources available on this reduced version so they're not leaving any lanes uh wasted essentially
• 68:00 - 68:30 so this is this is actually a pretty good this looks like a pretty good more budget friendly option uh you're still getting USB 4 you're still getting Wi-Fi 7 I believe uh I guess I don't know we can look but I'm pretty sure this is Wi-Fi 7 yes it's Wi-Fi 7 okay oh and it's the good one too this is the one that works with the play station uh 2 VR controllers the Bluetooth so yeah that's
• 68:30 - 69:00 that's good so this is overall a this is this is a pretty good option I'll say for a a more budget uh friendly price point I think this is actually a pretty good one one of the tradeoffs of saving money on the motherboard is you're going to encounter a lot of like this type of stuff a lot of this where it's like choose one you either get this or you either get that but you can't do both that is the drawback of x870 if you want
• 69:00 - 69:30 to do both simultaneously you need to step up to x870 so that is a difference because you can see here why why is x870 superior well because it's got two chipsets it basically gives you more Lanes so now instead of this having to share with this they both get their own dedicated Lanes off of two different chip sets whereas
• 69:30 - 70:00 this one it's like there's no second chip so they have to share this is a this is a very good example of why x870 has its benefits and cost more than x870 because you're literally getting two chips on the motherboard versus one all right so that's gigabyte that covers gig GTE uh we that we've done like they have different variants so they have the
• 70:00 - 70:30 white version and the Black version of the pro and the elite so if you're doing a white build gigabyte has some decent options there both an X 870 option and an x870 option there was an article stating that MSI was the only real Wi-Fi 7 well that's because uh somehow they're using a driver that bypasses the windows 11
• 70:30 - 71:00 something something update that unlocks the full spectrum so no actually all of them at the end of the day are using the same uh Wi-Fi 7 solution it's just different vendors some of them are using Qualcomm some of them are using mediatech um for their Wi-Fi 7 and at the end of the day as long as you have the Windows update that enables the full spectrum and you have the correct driver all of them are basically the same gigabyte x870 or a Sil cost that
• 71:00 - 71:30 Euro oh that's okay wow man yeah everything seems really expensive in the Euro price ranges right now it's weird this one I think I don't know exactly someone can check like the new egg pricing or the Micro Center pricing but I want to say the elite the elite is like the the x870 not this one but this one
• 71:30 - 72:00 the x870 this one is like $300 it's like 300 something dollars at Micro Center right now and then this one the x870 this one's less this one's like 200 something so um yeah I I don't know considering like this one technically the only challenge would be like running all the ssds you can do three ssds and you can still use the the X4 slot for
• 72:00 - 72:30 something else but the moment you use the fourth m.2 on here you can't use something like an internal capture card or something like that you can still do 10 gig landan you can still do a sound card but you know that's that's where uh the lower end the entry level motherboards that's where you start seeing the problems where there's not enough Lanes to do everything and all that kind of stuff versus like if you go with this one you don't have to worry about
• 72:30 - 73:00 that uh micr Center doesn't give Samsung B ey anymore it's it's hyx they changed that a long time ago in the beginning it was Samsung but they switched to hyx the reason why I know is because when I bought this when I got this from Micro Center they gave me the free gskill RAM and it's hyx Ram they had a lot of Returns on those Samsung memories um so they basically switched suppliers so now they're using
• 73:00 - 73:30 the HX ones and they only use the highx ones for free so yeah okay so that covers gigabyt so now we're going to move on to Let's do let's do Asus let's get Asus next and then we'll talk about ASRock then MSI and then the last two so Asus I I've already covered the hero in depth
• 73:30 - 74:00 in a previous live stream but I know that a bunch of people that are watching this probably didn't see that so we're going to go over it again we'll try to summarize it here so the hero who is the hero for because we talked about kind of like who these motherboards seem like they're tailored for I feel like gigabyte where gigabyte was targeting the live streamer or the the upand cominging uh wanting to be the next big thing on Twitch you know like that's where I feel gigabyte is homing in on who they're trying to sell to with the
• 74:00 - 74:30 RGB with the stylish gunmetal gray and black color scheme and you know like the grungy angled metal blocks and things and that that's basically what they're going for they're going for like that live streamer uh lifestyle that whole archetype basically but the Crosshair is completely different this has style this is probably one of the most beautiful looking motherboards I have ever
• 74:30 - 75:00 seen um it does not have a beautiful price tag though like I'll tell you that this is currently the most expensive x870 motherboard at the launch now there will be more expensive motherboards that will come out soon but currently the hero is the most expensive x870 motherboard this motherboard is 7 00 US so it is definitely not for everyone
• 75:00 - 75:30 it is who is this motherboard for this motherboard is for an overclocker it is for somebody who wants to overclock however not all overclockers I would say this is more for like the the the uh how do I put this like the halfway overclockers like the people who dabble in overclocking but only really casually not super hardcore because the hardcore overclockers although you can put this
• 75:30 - 76:00 you can put a a pot on this um and and Vaseline it up and get it ready for ln2 like you can do that with the hero um however I feel like the real true hardcore overclockers are going to be looking for the uh the Rog Crosshair Gan um or the Apex the Apex is the Intel version the Gan is the AMD version so those are the two dim Rog Crosshair motherboards which are meant for
• 76:00 - 76:30 overclocking um and I mean you can also do small form factor builds with them but I feel like that is a lot of money for a small motherboard just for a small form factor build so it's really more for overclockers but that being said this is definitely the overclocker Enthusiast motherboard it is also probably a good alternative to the pro art or like for productivity I feel like this is technically a better choice than
• 76:30 - 77:00 the pro art even though the pro art is targeted to the prosumer you know that that sophisticated content creator the person who drinks Starbucks and might have a Mac as their laptop but they do all their design work and whatever on a desktop and they're probably using something like a pro art if not a pro art it's probably going to be one of the these motherboards because these mother this motherboard has uh Enterprise grade
• 77:00 - 77:30 things um as an example it has something called slim sass so you can do for example and I will be testing this in the near future so it has support for something called slim SAS so I have a slim SAS cable here if I remove the plastic cover so this is a slim SAS it looks kind of like a SATA
• 77:30 - 78:00 connector but it is not it is a slim SAS connector so right above my head this silver connector I would literally plug this into that well it's facing the wrong way isn't it yeah this would plug in right there this would plug into the motherboard right there this is PCI Gen 4 speeds you can run an external or I guess internal but it would not be
• 78:00 - 78:30 physically on the motherboard you can run a wired Gen 4 m.2 Drive off of the slim SASS and then it would use something like this on the other end which is called a u.2 or U do3 connector so this would plug into an Enterprise grade nvme drive or an enclosure that can run an m.2 Drive and you can get an additional Enterprise grade SSD off of
• 78:30 - 79:00 this so kind of an interesting feature this is this is the only motherboard that has this feature currently in the consumer market now obviously there are uh workstation boards for thread Ripper and Zeon that also have this functionality but I guess kind of the one weird exclusive that the hero has has it has slim sass so uh interesting
• 79:00 - 79:30 feature there could also have a capture card is there a slim sass capture card I'm I'm not aware of a slim SAS capture card okay so um what else do I want to say about this so this board this board is one of the few this one has five m.2 drives however uh just like gigabyte three of them are gen five the
• 79:30 - 80:00 top one is wired directly to the CPU the second and third one they share Lanes with the uh the graphics card slot just like on those gigabyte boards that we just looked at so other than that technically speaking if and I'll show this in a video because I have this motherboard but if you wanted to avoid if you wanted to avoid using GPU
• 80:00 - 80:30 lanes for m.2 you would have to leave the second and third m.2 slots blank and you could still run the top gen five the SE the third or the fourth and the fifth which are both Gen 4 and then you could run the slim SAS as well so I guess here's where we have to bring in paint to illustrate
• 80:30 - 81:00 that so which one is this okay so if if we're talking about the Crosshair so actually I already Drew this before but the Crosshair hero is set up in such a way where essentially you have you have the GPU you have two m.2 that are sharing bandwidth with
• 81:00 - 81:30 it and then you have the you have USB 4 so you have the ASM like right here or I guess we'll say right here we'll just do it this way so this is USB 4 then this is m.2 this is this this line at the top is PCI 5.0 24 Lanes so we have four for the
• 81:30 - 82:00 first we have four for the P the USB 4 and then we have 16 down here going to this switch so you do the math 16 plus 4 plus 4 that's how you get 24 Lanes uh and then here we have the GPU so we have pcie we'll say underscore one or whatever so this one's where the GPU would plug in and then you have your other m. tws so you have that one and
• 82:00 - 82:30 you have this one and just like with gigabyte they're sharing bandwidth now there's another thing here that they give you that gigabyte does not include and that is an additional pcie slot so there's another so the second pcie we'll call this one PCI 2 that one is also on the switch this this one can get up to eight Lanes so just like a standard old school motherboard that had you know the
• 82:30 - 83:00 2x16 physical as soon as you plug in your second GPU or your second whatever your primary drops to X8 so it's like if I have two gpus in this motherboard this one runs at X8 and this one runs at X8 however if I add this m.2 this m.2 two will take four lanes from the second GPU so now this is only
• 83:00 - 83:30 running at four and this is running at X4 and this is running at X8 because the total the total across this block cannot exceed 16 Lanes so eight to the primary GPU four to this m.2 and four to this second GPU or capture card or whatever is plugged into this second PCI slot so you do the
• 83:30 - 84:00 math 8 + 4 + 4 you get 16 it adds up now what happens if I want to if I want to plug in this m.2 now this m.2 has priority in the Bios which means it will force four lanes which means it will disable the second PCI slot so this will be turned off so the GPU the first GPU
• 84:00 - 84:30 still runs at X8 and then you have two additional Gen 5 this is how Asus has programmed the heroes bios to function so that is how that works so if you if you don't use this if it's empty then this is X8 this is X4 and this is X4 and that total 16 if I mean it's still it's still the
• 84:30 - 85:00 same if we do for example this this this will automatically be disabled no matter what because if this is active it automatically forces this off so in this scenario we have X8 and X4 and this guy over here is waiting to be used for another m.2 but if it's not being used there are four lanes that are
• 85:00 - 85:30 just not doing anything so it's just wasted Lanes it's just waiting for that extra drive so it's 12 out of 16 so those are the different combinations on the plx switch for the various peripherals that are connected to the 16 Gen 5 slot okay so then what they do is down here they have something called slim SAS
• 85:30 - 86:00 connected so that that special connector that I mentioned just a second ago this thing the slim SAS for an Enterprise SSD or an adapter for m.2 goes there and that is on the chipset and that is on PCI 4.0 four lanes total so this is going to be four lanes of gen four bandwidth which
• 86:00 - 86:30 means the slim SAS can support up to a Gen 4 nvme drive and then over here on this side we have PCI 3.0 SL SATA and what they do here is they do four SATA drives SATA 1 2 3 4 four SATA these SATA
• 86:30 - 87:00 drives have full raid support one lane per drive one one gen 3 Lane per drive so that's how they use it all right and then at the bottom we have the second chipset because this is X X 870e
• 87:00 - 87:30 okay so now what do we have we have m.2 and m.2 and this is pcie 4.0 X8 there are eight Lanes here four for this one four for that one so all lanes are accounted for and then finally down here on the second chip we have again
• 87:30 - 88:00 3.0 which could also be SATA but this is X4 and I forgot to add this is four lanes total for PCI gen 3 so it's four lanes and what do they do WiFi 7 2.5 gig landan 5 gig landan and the last thing is uh I think they're doing two lanes for one of these or something like that they're they're either tying two lanes to the Wi-Fi or they're tying two lanes to the 5 gig I
• 88:00 - 88:30 forget which one but that's basically how what they're doing here at the bottom so that this is the Crosshair so if somebody's interested in the Crosshair hero you probably want to save you want to get a screen capture of this uh block diagram because Asus does not give you the block diagram of their
• 88:30 - 89:00 motherboards that is the one annoying thing about Asus is they hide their block diagram from the consumers whereas the other three MSI gigabyte and azrock they reveal their block diagrams to the public so but this is it so we have derived the block diagram for the Crosshair hero the x870 Crosshair
• 89:00 - 89:30 hero okay so one way one might look at this and they're like oh well you know I don't like how these two take Lanes from the GPU well you can still do 1 2 3 4 via the adap you can still do four m do2s one Gen 5 and three gen 4 off of this board before
• 89:30 - 90:00 you impact the GPU in any way so you it's like four this is basically the fifth and six drive so technically we have six ssds off of this board so keep in mind there is a way to avoid taking bandwidth from the GPU and you can still achieve four drives I will be showing in the future a video of how to use slim sass
• 90:00 - 90:30 with a m.2 drive we're going to be using an enclosure that adapts u.2 to m.2 and then the slim SAS connects to the motherboard so that way I don't have to use Lanes from the graphics card on my hero motherboard so you can still do four drives without impacting the GPU on the Crosshair hero so it does give you
• 90:30 - 91:00 that flexibility dual landan and then Wi-Fi 7 and USB 4 so it basically is fully loaded at the end of the day the Crosshair hero is a fully loaded motherboard you got your second reason to not buy Asus again okay so let's go
• 91:00 - 91:30 over let's move on to the next one all right so that's the hero then we have the STS so the stricks is $200 less than the hero this is a $500 motherboard so the strix e-e goes head-to-head with gigabytes orus master and asrock's taiichi although technically the taichi is even lower
• 91:30 - 92:00 this is a $450 motherboard as well as MSI carbon Wi-Fi so in that $500 is point you have lots of different options you've got the master from gigabyte the stricks e- E from Asus the taii from azra and the carbon WiFi from MSI so these are all the big boy motherboards in
• 92:00 - 92:30 terms of they're at that $500 Point uh where you're right on the cusp of diminishing returns once you go over $500 you're not getting a whole lot more for your money this is basically where it kind of flatlines in terms of value and then after $500 you're just throwing more money at a product you're basically throwing money into a black hole and you're not really getting a whole lot more for the money so um yeah I mean the hero at the end of
• 92:30 - 93:00 the day the hero has the gimmicks like slim sass the infinity mirror logo thing on the back on the uh the io shroud but you know is it worth $700 you know you got to be a real Enthusiast you got to really be into overclocking because one of the Hidden gems of this board is the asynchronous e- clock this thing allows B clock overclocking there are very few motherboards that offer that and that's one of the ways Asus charges like extra
• 93:00 - 93:30 money for the higher end board because they know that it's like that's the thing that uh lets this motherboard differentiate itself in a way that the others can't all right so stricks technically I actually think the stricks e e has better m.2 cooling than the hero so for $200 less you get better heat sinks for
• 93:30 - 94:00 three of the m do2s and these I'm going to guess by looking at this that these three really thick heat sinks are for the Gen 5 drives so if we look at let's take a look at this real quick tech specs let's see so the STX Asus says the STX e- supports up to
• 94:00 - 94:30 8,000 megga transfers on the ryzen 9000 8400 megga transfers or more on the ryzen 8000 that's because the Apu is monolithic and has a newer memory controller than the the uh chiplet based Zen 5 so that's why the Apu technically can get the really really high memory over clock like we're talking like 9600 plus um anyway so so the stricks just
• 94:30 - 95:00 like the hero I forgot to mention this about the hero but the hero and the stricks are currently asus's only two motherboards that offer nitrothiophenol was made by an AI who knows that basically told them how to lay out the wires that run from the
• 95:00 - 95:30 CPU over to the dim slots so they're you they're calling that Nitro paath technology now how how well does that translate into memory overclocking Asus is claiming you can get on average an additional 400 mahz on your RAM overclock on this board because of the Nitro path now again I would say that yeah it's nice to have this but ultimately it's going to come
• 95:30 - 96:00 down to how well they actually did the traces whether or not nitr paath means that it's better or not or whatever that remains to be seen But then also it comes down to the memory itself as well as the cpu's memory controller and you know that whole entire package is what determines how fast the R actually can run so both the Crosshair hero and the stxs e-e have the
• 96:00 - 96:30 Nitro path and then just like that USB 4 um it has a single gen 5x16 and then it has a chipset X4 so that is actually pretty cool I wish the hero had an X4 PCI slot that does not share Lanes with the GPU but unfortunately it does not uh and then they have just like the hero there are five m.2 slots on here so the
• 96:30 - 97:00 difference between the stricks let me see when this is disabled this share bandwidth when this is occupied that will run at X8 okay so the difference between the stricks and the hero so now let's go back to paint okay so this is the hero if I want to convert this to be the stricks then I take away so for the
• 97:00 - 97:30 let's type in the name Rog stricks e- E or I guess x870 e we'll just put the E here Dash e STS um or I guess Rog STS it's the e- E I don't know weird name e-e okay it's $500 and has such a weird
• 97:30 - 98:00 name okay so this goes away it doesn't exist on the stricks there is no second PCI Gen 5 no slim sass instead of slim sass instead of slim sass they give you a blank pcie slot whoops how do I get rid of this oh I guess just erase it okay so the difference between the
• 98:00 - 98:30 stricks and the hero is the stricks gives you a a blank PCI 4.0 electrically X4 slot which some people might actually think is better than the hero because a lot of people are probably not going to need slim SAS because slim SAS for forces them into only using those four lanes for storage primarily storage um you know you have to buy
• 98:30 - 99:00 adapter cables you have to do whatever there's extra steps whereas this the stricks is giving you an X4 blank open slot so this is actually a lot more flexible in a lot of ways so I actually kind of like uh what the stricks is doing versus the hero because this is great for a 10 gbit land card it's great for a capture card you know it's great if you wanted to put an m.2 in a PCI addin you could put an m.2 in there so I
• 99:00 - 99:30 feel like this is actually more flexible so it would have been nice to see the hero having this I feel like slim sass is really a weird uh I mean it's cool but at the end of the day I feel like the average consumer is really not going to need slim SASS and they could probably benefit more universally from a regular PCI X4 slot so that's really the only difference though like the main difference is no slim SAS and no second pcie that takes Lanes from
• 99:30 - 100:00 the GPU so in some in a lot of ways the stricks might actually be more optimal for a lot of different people so um yeah and it's $200 less than the hero the one thing though I don't think this board has the asynchronous mode so maybe that's how Asus gets people to pay the Asus tax or at least gets overclockers to pay the Asus
• 100:00 - 100:30 tax okay so let's move on uh all right so this one this is [Music] the uh the stricks x870 Dasa so this is not an e which means it's a single chip set motherboard which
• 100:30 - 101:00 means this one should be around no more I would say than like $300 the other thing about this motherboard is it does not have a postcode so for some reason Asus apparently didn't get the memo they didn't get the memo the the memo said you guys got to put post codes on your mid tier and your more of your entry level boards apparently Asus ignored
• 101:00 - 101:30 that whereas the others actually listened so this is very disappointing how Asus I mean they're kind of becoming their worst enemy because there were some issues this year you know there was stuff about them with rmas and all this other stuff and I kind of think they correct Ed a lot of that although I haven't really been paying attention to that so maybe somebody watching can comment on that but uh you know I'm very
• 101:30 - 102:00 disappointed to see the stricks this is like a gamer Centric motherboard and it is a white motherboard so if you're doing a white theme build this is a NIC looking board for that however it doesn't have the postcode it doesn't have a quick disconnect button I mean it's it's almost like they're literally just copy pasting like a previous generation motherboard there's no quality of life additions from what I
• 102:00 - 102:30 can tell it's you know I this is disappointing this is disappointing these are the type of motherboards that end up at the bottom of the tier list so um yeah when all your competitors have post codes and quick disconnects at the same price point even on the lower end chipset cuz this is the x870 not the x870 uh you know it's just not not a good look it's not a good look so anyway that's that's the STS no post code is a deal breaker yeah
• 102:30 - 103:00 I mean considering like a uh gigabyte has one on their white motherboard I mean they have one on their Elite I mean they basically all the gigabyte boards have post codes on them at least all the ones at launch every single one of them all have the post code so so gigabyte understood the criticism and they corrected they improved these guys I don't know what's going on I don't know I think they're just
• 103:00 - 103:30 selling on brand recognition at this point like Asus is literally on autopilot maybe they they've let AI just drive the whole company at this point I don't know I don't know what's going on but it's it at the end of the day it's a decent motherboard but come on really like no button for the GPU no post code I mean it's like the same from last gen not a whole lot more to say here so that's the stricks - A all right next we
• 103:30 - 104:00 have the pro art the pro art is an interesting motherboard but here's the thing this this continues the theme of Asus didn't get the memo this is a $500 motherboard and no post code $500 no postcode it's marketed for professionals and content creators like
• 104:00 - 104:30 people who pay extra for like the support contract or something like if it's a small business and really you're going to not have a post code so like if somebody calls in to Asus support as like hey I'm having a problem the the computer like it wakes from sleep and and there's like there's no response I have to hard cold boot it every time like something's wrong I don't know like if they had a post code the post code would literally tell them what's wrong it would either be like Zer D or C5 or
• 104:30 - 105:00 you know something that they could use to tell the support rep on the phone what they actually see but instead no $500 no postcode you're sitting in the dark you have no idea what's wrong with the product if if you're having a trouble shoot it good luck the LEDs have been okay for you for the most part well um I guess but I mean $500 $500 is a lot of money for a
• 105:00 - 105:30 motherboard you know um last I checked the orus Masters $500 it has a postcode asus's very own stxs e-e this is also $500 it has a postcode it's marketed toward Gamers this this one's supposed to be upscale professionals same exact price as the stricks e- e but no post code for some
• 105:30 - 106:00 reason I don't know and then the other weird thing if anything the pro art would be the one to have the slim SAS but instead slim SAS is on the $700 hero I don't know all I can say is this raises some eyebrows in terms of like how did they decide what like how you segment some of these boards
• 106:00 - 106:30 like strange you know like I don't know what's going on here but hey it has 10 gig land I mean it has 10 gig land I mean that that does count for something this is one of the few there's literally only like two or three motherboards that have 10 gig land on this on these new x870 and this is one of them but kind of weird you know like if a professional is buying this they're going to want the debug because or not if they don't know
• 106:30 - 107:00 but $500 should have a post code just saying I that's a bad look $500 a no postcode it's still good but you know like I personally the way I look at it is if I was going to build a Content creation computer and I was going to spend $500 on a motherboard you know which motherboard I'd get I'd probably get the orus master I think the the orus master would
• 107:00 - 107:30 be a better choice why um check this out the pro art look at this look at the pcie slots this PCI slot and this PCI slot are so close together the moment I stick a 4090 Founders Edition in here that's going to cover up the second slot so now I can't use the second slot at all meanwhile on the orus master the orus master has proper modern spacing I can literally put a triple slot even a
• 107:30 - 108:00 quad slot graphics card in here and I can still use the second PCI slot just saying so it's the little things it's the little details it's being detailed oriented that's how you end up getting the correct product and this also has the quick disconnect does the pro art have that man the pro art doesn't have the quick disconnect button I mean see see what I mean like the value is just not really there I mean it's got 10 gig I guess I mean I
• 108:00 - 108:30 could put 10 gig on the Master's bottom slot I mean yeah you save money on the 10 gig Nick but uh I I don't know it's weird it's a weird board strange strange choices this could be so much better if it had like two different three tweaks three tweaks will make this so much better one post code two GPU button and three move this
• 108:30 - 109:00 second PC slot down here three things three modifications to the board now it's perfect now it's in a whole different tier level in terms of where it ranks on the tier list but I can tell you right now this isn't going to rank very high on my tier list um it's too I don't know like this someone didn't think long and hard about like slot placement I mean I guess the person who designed this is probably thinking
• 109:00 - 109:30 that you're running a blower style Enterprise GPU or something that's only two slots okay maybe I can understand that but if you look at asus's own proart branded graphics cards they're like triple slot graphics cards so uh even if it could fit where the second slot would be visible the fan shroud would literally be choking for air if you plug something in
• 109:30 - 110:00 down here so uh I don't know this could have been a lot better this could have been a lot better so that's the pro art um it does have the display port input though so that is another unique thing it's so weird how like this has display port input which is cool but it doesn't have the slim SAS whereas I feel like the the target audience for the pro art would be more likely to benefit from the slim SAS yet the slim SAS is on the overclockers
• 110:00 - 110:30 board and how many overclockers are going to need an Enterprise SSD I mean I don't know may maybe if they're like doing ln2 they can put the boot drive on the slim SAS so it's far away from the may maybe maybe that's the reason I don't know I'm just kind I'm grasping at straws here um but anyway that's the pro art all right next we have the tough so the tough this time around the tough is
• 110:30 - 111:00 an x870 at least at launch now Asus might release a a newer tough in the future you know like next year sometime they might do an x870 tough um so that you know they could do that because they have done that it's not like all these motherboards are the only motherboards there will be more newer motherboards coming out later so we could see some new ones with x3d is what I'm saying but anyway so for
• 111:00 - 111:30 now the tough is an entry level x870 meaning it's single chipset uh it looks like they're still giving you four M do2s however the fourth m.2 does not have a heat sink at all so wait a minute so this is a Gen 4 this is a Gen 4 with no heat sink last I checked Gen 4 should have a
• 111:30 - 112:00 heat sink gen 3 can get away without a heat sink but Gen 4 especially the higher-end ones definitely should have a heat sink so again this is the sort of thing where I feel like I hate to pick on Asus but you know you have to grade these things how they stack up to each other and you know like they it's advertised as a tough board yet one of the M do2s literally doesn't have a heat sink let alone there's no post code I
• 112:00 - 112:30 mean I'll let that slip because I get this is an entry-level board but still no post code one of the m. tws literally doesn't even have a heat sink uh what so I I don't know man like really when I look at the end like the lower end when I look at x870 which is supposed to be you know like your two $0000 it's it's anywhere from your sub 100 well I don't know about sub 100 that might be for like the B series in the
• 112:30 - 113:00 future but x870 is typically going to be from $200 to $300 it's in it's like that that 200ish 240 250 two 200 something dollars for a decent x870 and for that amount of money I mean you you should have a heat snc on all the M do2s even if it's just a slab of metal I mean really it's a Gen 4 slot and it has no heat sink that's to me
• 113:00 - 113:30 personally that's borderline unacceptable but uh yeah this this is unfortunately a complete pass like this yeah compared to what you can get from the others like orus is literally like they're not short changing you all of them have proper heat sinks this is in the same this or the pro is in the same price class as the tough and this has a post code and a quick disconnect button for the GPU I mean I'm curious to know
• 113:30 - 114:00 what the tough price actually is this does have a disconnect latch for the GPU though so it does have that it just doesn't have a uh heat sink for the bottom m.2 which is really weird this is $310 and it doesn't have a heat sink for the bottom m.2 yeah this isn't going to score very high on the list man this isn't going to score very high
• 114:00 - 114:30 let me see where's the hold on where I want to see the back okay so two 4 four 68 okay so it has eight type A's I mean that's technically better than the hero the hero only has six but not all of them are 10 gig uh USB 4 HDMI 2.5 gig landan bios flashback no clear seamos on the back so uh clear seos is going to either be on the board somewhere physically or
• 114:30 - 115:00 you're going to have to short the pins that's kind of annoying um yeah this I guess the one thing cool about this is it has the full analog audio the physical analog audio ports are on here but it doesn't have the optical so it's weird it's like um it didn't skimp on analog audio like almost every board does these days but it uh it skimps in a lot of other [Music]
• 115:00 - 115:30 ways I don't know I don't know this is the sort of motherboard that people who have been buying Asus for years they're probably just going to buy this and not think about the the things that they could have had had they considered other brands um yeah I think that's kind of what this is going to end up being it's eight is this eight layer is it really eight
• 115:30 - 116:00 layer where does it say eight layer is this really eight layer I don't see it I mean it could be tough components proprietary a plus a
• 116:00 - 116:30 pin okay right there yeah you're right eight layer PCB okay okay so it has an eight layer PCB that's that's good so so technically this one despite its flaws this one will probably have better Ram overclocking capability than the gigabyte at least compared to to the same price points because the gigabytes are six layer whereas this is an eight layer so it's one of those where like I
• 116:30 - 117:00 said before gigabytes definitely going for the streamer group like there gigabyte's not targeting overclockers uh they put it in the marketing but they're really not they're targeting people who are not really going to do overclocking they might I mean but they're probably going to buy the master if they're going to do that because that's the eight layer but they're going after like the content they're going after like the gamer streamer I kind of know how to build a PC every few years I may upgrade my PC
• 117:00 - 117:30 they're going after that type of person um whereas I don't know the the tough has been the tough is like a legacy brand from from Asus has been around for a long time if you've been following Asus motherboards for a long time you would know that the tough used to have a different name does anybody in the chat know what the orig orig brand name for the tough series was there was a time where they used a different brand and then they they
• 117:30 - 118:00 included tough as the same thing and then eventually they just dropped that other word and it just became tough does anybody remember the original brand that this stemmed from you have to you have to go back pretty far like 10 years or more we're talking like 10 years ago or or even more than 10 years at this well about 10 years ago does anybody remember the tough
• 118:00 - 118:30 board for the fx8350 and how it was like the one motherboard for AMD that touted PCI gen 3 although it was done in a weird way and it didn't actually work that well does anybody remember the name Sabertooth I guess nobody knows Sabertooth so the tough's original brand name was the ASUS Sabertooth and then Sabertooth eventually became tough series with the
• 118:30 - 119:00 saber featuring the saber-tooth motherboard um and it was kind of that Commando military like the camouflage looking design it was the Sabertooth brand so the Sabertooth brand eventually transformed into the tough brand and that is what we have today so that's why it's got this kind of like heavy duty like off-road you know this looks like a Ford F-150 Toyota Tundra style look to it but
• 119:00 - 119:30 originally it was the Sabertooth and it was like a military style themed motherboard you had the that's the one I was talking about John I was thinking of the Sabertooth the 990 FX Sabertooth from Asus that is what tough is today so that is the legacy of the brand so all right so that that goes way
• 119:30 - 120:00 back so I I can tell now who who has been building PCS for a long time anybody who remembers Sabertooth is the original name of tough you guys have been building PCS for a long time so um anyway so that's the tough it's it's eight layers I guess that's like it's one it's eight layers and it has full analog audio like that's its only claimed to fame that I can think of I mean oh and it has a quick disconnect for the GPU I mean that's very convenient but so do all the gigabyte boards that are in the same price point
• 120:00 - 120:30 so I mean that's not really a benefit I feel like if this was missing the GPU button or latch uh this would be terrible this would basically be like really really low on the tier list but because it has that it has analog audio I mean it has some weird things that a lot of the other boards are lacking but board's lacking a lot of other things so I don't know strange motherboard very strange motherboard oh how the how I missed the
• 120:30 - 121:00 Sabertooth okay anyway so the prime the last one that we're going to cover from Asus is the prime this one is x870 H again so it's just like Sabertooth all right Sabertooth it's just like the tough it is a single chip and this one is even just by looking at it this one is even more cost reduced because this one only has two small heat
• 121:00 - 121:30 sinks in fact I can tell you right now looking at this the Gen 5 heat sink the heat sink on the primary m.2 the primary m.2 can support a Gen 5 SSD I can tell you this heat sink is completely inadequate for a Gen 5 SSD so what I can tell you guys is this heat sink on the hero when my PC is idling the Gen 5 the
• 121:30 - 122:00 TD 510 from Microcenter it's a 2 tbte Gen 5 SSD it's the very first gen 5 SSD it's the one that comes with the little fan on the official cooler this massive heat sink on the hero can only managed to handle the SSD at a cool 57° c as soon as I run Crystal disc mark
• 122:00 - 122:30 on my Gen 5 SSD with this heat sink I can get up to 70 degrees Cs on the SSD so I can tell you from experience this m.2 on this Prime is totally incapable of handling a gen 5 SSD even though the slot is a Gen 5 SSD so word of advice Pro tip if you're going to buy the prime
• 122:30 - 123:00 and you're actually going to use a Gen 5 SSD do not use the included heat sink on the motherboard bring your own m.2 Gen 5 cooling or make sure you buy an SSD that actually comes with the heat sink if you're going to get a Gen 5 SSD and use it with this because that slab of metal is definitely inadequate on top of that there are two additional there's three there's four
• 123:00 - 123:30 Drive slots the bottom two have no cooling at all uh I wonder what this motherboard costs like this cannot cost that much money uh incompetent heat sink missing heat sinks for the Gen 4 although okay one of these is a gen three and it's only two lanes so that one doesn't need a heat sink but so I'll let that one fly but you know this thing no that should have
• 123:30 - 124:00 a heat sink um yeah I don't know I'm not liking this one although it does have the quick disconnect for the GPU so it does have that uh what about the where's the how do I see the back of it is there a way to see the back of this thing okay there we go so 2 4 6 8 so it's got the 8 USB type A they're not all 10 gig that's fine because this is a lower-end board
• 124:00 - 124:30 um so it does it does pass the test for it has enough type A ports on the back 2.5 gig landan and it has some analog audio but no Optical so strange uh the Gen 5 drive that I have thr throttles at 80° C it's designed to go up to 80° at 80° it will throttle so the Asus Crosshair hero can handle it
• 124:30 - 125:00 because it doesn't go I think the hottest I've seen it get is like 72 degrees C with my passively cooled heat sink but yeah this is uh I don't know I would say there's better options but I guess it depends on how much this costs price is going to factor in on these how well these do in the grand scheme of things you notice the Asus x870 Crosshair supports 256 gig ram the
• 125:00 - 125:30 taichi only supports so all of them can support up to 256 gabt it requires a bios update so I wouldn't worry about the maximum RAM that'll change over time uh we haven't gotten there yet I will I I already have a top recommendation for $300 something dollars we'll get to that soon uh it's coming up real soon actually so that's the end of the Asus lineup so overall I
• 125:30 - 126:00 would say probably the pro art is a no the tough is almost passable I would say and the prime is kind of a no just because it well let me see what is the tough the tough m.2 heat sink is also kind of inadequate looking it looks long but I don't know how thick it is it's hard to tell from the picture but yeah this um I don't know I I personally would not
• 126:00 - 126:30 run Gen 5 ssds with any of the cooling on these $300 motherboards I would use I would bring my own I would make sure I get a a Gen 5 that has its own heat sink if I was going to use an actual Gen 5 SSD so okay so let's move on now we're going to move on to ASRock so I think if you're somebody who um is a little bit disappointed by all the lane sharing of the pcie from the basically if you're
• 126:30 - 127:00 someone who doesn't want your graphics card to lose lanes for m.2 drives azrock has your back azrock is the brand for you because azrock has a whole bunch of motherboards that do not steal Lanes from the GPU to provide m.2 one of those is the taichi the taichi will guarantee 4 M do2s and
• 127:00 - 127:30 the GPU running at 16 Lanes all right and we'll look at the block diagram fully loaded back plate you or not back plate fully loaded IO you can see it's got 2 4 6 8 10 USB type A not all of them are 10 gig but realistically do you actually need all them to be 10 gig it does the keyboard and the mouse need 10 gigabit type A no does the webcam need 10 gbit no so this
• 127:30 - 128:00 is this is totally fine 5 gig landan uh USB 4 HDMI clear C it has everything you need Wi-Fi 7 all that stuff goldplated analog audio spdif optical audio for the toss link cables so this thing basically has everything on the back that would be needed save for 10 gbit landan um but if you're going to run 10 gig land you need to have the infrastructure to actually
• 128:00 - 128:30 benefit from 10 gig land all right let's look at the block diagram here we'll try to go a little bit faster here uh so like I said just like gigabyte ASRock provides very good documentation you can see Dr debug that means it's got the postcode debug it has six SATA this is one of the few that still provides six SATA whereas
• 128:30 - 129:00 everybody else is only doing four SATA now ASRock still does six SATA and 4 m.2 and full 16 bandwidth to the GPU just to prove that we're going to look at it here so let's do this rotate clockwise okay so look check this out X 16 GPU and if you want to run a second graphics card you can run dual gpus both of them will run at gen
• 129:00 - 129:30 5x8 provided you have a Gen 5 graphics card for both of them uh then we have the guaranteed Gen 5 SSD that one has its own dedicated Lanes then what could have gone to a second gen 5 m.2 it's going to the as media 4242 for the USB 4 you can run external monitors uh you can run external monitors on every motherboard that has
• 129:30 - 130:00 usb4 I just want to clarify that so this can run three monitors you can run a monitor off of the integrated graphics on HDMI you can run two more monitors off of the USB 4 ports you can even daisy chain because they're display port alt modes you can literally run like five monitors if you wanted off of your integrated Graphics so pretty insane then moving down to the chipset the second m.2 is on Gen 4 with its own Lanes then we have two SATA ports for
• 130:00 - 130:30 ssds or or like SATA based drives or ssds and then we have Wi-Fi 7 and 5 gigabit Lan um and then a bunch of USB on the left and then the integrated audio is also over there on the left so very good documentation I like how they tell you exact exactly how many lanes for example this says 4 X4 that means this uses four lanes this says X1 this means this uses
• 130:30 - 131:00 one lane of gen 3 so very very good documentation on asrock's part and then we have the final two M do2s both are Gen 4 so like I said if you want a motherboard if you want a brand new latest and greatest motherboard this is a flagship motherboard that does not take Lanes from the GPU for storage drives taichi is an excellent choice you can do four M do2s and still have 16
• 131:00 - 131:30 Lanes to the graphics card and then four more SATA so six SATA this is probably one of the most practical motherboards I have seen like they're not trying to do gimmicky things like slim sass and all this other random things like and and give you more off of the CPU Lanes but guess what your GPU runs at half B like they're not doing
• 131:30 - 132:00 that whereas I feel like Asus and gigabyte literally let's give them more gen five give them more Gen 5 peel off lanes and the GPU for Gen 5 they're basically doing the the z790 thing because this is a Hu that's a huge thing on z790 like any Gen 5 SSD on on an Intel z790 guarantees takes Lanes from the GPU like that's a platform limitation of z790 because z790 doesn't have enough
• 132:00 - 132:30 Lanes to begin with so anyway how does AMD get around that it's called dual chipset so anyway that is uh this the Tai cheet this is an excellent choice the other thing nice about this this is $450 this is $50 less than the strix e-e and the orus master while providing everything you would need plus it's an
• 132:30 - 133:00 eatx it's eatx not everybody's going to want an eatx motherboard if their case is not large enough for example um but it has the disconnect for the GPU it has the postcode I like how they make use of the uh eatx form factor to move one of the m.2 drives over here next to the r for example so it frees up some space down here they can they can space some of these things better six SATA fully
• 133:00 - 133:30 loaded uh io on the back so overall this is a solid choice you can't really go wrong with this the one thing that I would wonder whether or not this board has dual asynchronous e- clocks if this has dual e- clocks just like the hero that means this is probably probably the value King this is going to be an S tier board if it has that otherwise this is still like obviously one of the best
• 133:30 - 134:00 choices if you're someone who's a stickler for like not wanting to lose GPU bandwidth for m.2 drives if you want to fully populate the drives that is so anyway that is uh the taichi so the taichi light let's go over the light real quick this one is basically the same thing except a few not things are missing number one it does not have the RGB but not everybody cares about RGB so just know that there's no RGB on this
• 134:00 - 134:30 number two it does not and this is probably the biggest downside of the taichi light versus the taichi this taichi light does not include the latch mechanism for easily disconnecting the GPU so there's no GPU quick disconnect on the taichi light keep that in mind a lot of people going to overlook that they're going to assume that it's exactly the same as the taichi minus the RGB that is not fully true the
• 134:30 - 135:00 other thing that I noticed is the heat sink over here next to the RAM on the Tai sheet light looks thinner and smaller than the big one on the taichi so there are some subtle differences that you get if you pay the extra $50 namely you get the GPU disconnect and you get better heat sinks and you get RGB but other than that it's functionally the
• 135:00 - 135:30 same all right so that's a taichi light and then we'll move on to the steel Legends so steel Legend is a little bit different from last year mainly The Styling is different the previous steel Legend was it had almost like a military Commando camouflage theme but it was still white and gray whereas now they went with a more just a a plain white style still has that iconic RGB strip at the bottom of the heat sink just like on
• 135:30 - 136:00 the previous steel Legend steel Legend is kind of like it's kind of like asus's tough branding although I really think steel Legend is providing more value than the tough although that's not true this time around for example this does not have the quick disconnect for the GPU whereas the tough does have that feature so that's something that the steel Legend is lacking it also does not
• 136:00 - 136:30 have a postcode debug which is very disappointing because I think this is going to be uh oh well this is an x870 so okay so it's not an x870 there will probably be an x870 version of this because there is an x670 still Legend and there also is a b650 e steel Legend So This is basically the successor to the b650 steel Legends so probably the x870
• 136:30 - 137:00 version of this will probably have the post code I would imagine um but I don't think they'll change too much about it it has what looks like three m.2 slots so no fourth m.2 but that probably means that it's not using Lanes from the GPU that's probably like the one thing that I want to verify here about the steel
• 137:00 - 137:30 Legend all right so let's see okay yeah single chip so yeah this is another one full x16 no compromise to the GPU you get a Gen 5 SSD for the primary you get the USB for you get the uh and you get this one and you get that one and then there's a switch so it's one of those choose one you either
• 137:30 - 138:00 get a third m.2 or you get an X4 Gen 4 slot at the bottom of the motherboard so it's one of those things it gives you a choice you have to make a choice for that third m.2 so the only downside is not that it's only got Max of three m.2 but keep in mind it's only a single chip it's not the Dual chip that's why uh and but the benefit is no fear of losing GPU Lanes I
• 138:00 - 138:30 guess so yeah asrock's got a lot of boards that don't take Lanes from the graphics card so that is pretty nice all right then they have the pro this one's very similar to the steel Legend in fact I don't even know what the difference is they're both white uh they both have RG at the bottom I guess the color scheme is different this one has warm colors this one has cool colors uh what is actually
• 138:30 - 139:00 different they're both x87 they're both single chip I really don't know what the difference is uh the the 3.0 front panel header is right oh there's two of them on the steel Legend whereas this one has only one okay so the RS is going to be lower cost than the this is coming in at a lower price point probably it looks like it's missing some of the things over
• 139:00 - 139:30 here but yeah no post code uh what does the back of it look like um do they not have a there we go okay it's got a lot of USB 2 4 6 8 10 okay so 10 USB 2.5 gig land optical audio so optical audio so did the uh
• 139:30 - 140:00 steel Legend have that yeah so um it looks like the the RS has one more type a port but this one has more 3 the steel Legend has more 3.0 connectivity oh the RS does not have
• 140:00 - 140:30 WiFi okay you you can probably add your own Wi-Fi it has the cutouts here but it doesn't have unless there's a Wi-Fi version yeah this doesn't have Wi-Fi natively you'd have to add it yeah they give you the ability to add it there's the place to plug in the Wi-Fi down there so you can add the Wi-Fi but it doesn't include it so this is probably one of the more budget ones this is probably sub $200 I would guess this is probably like $189 or
• 140:30 - 141:00 something or yeah ASRock usually seems to cover the it has a better spread in terms of motherboards that are going way down in the price point while still offering a lot of value but if you want to see what an S tier motherboard looks like it's going to be this one so this is the motherboard to get like if you're somebody who wants all the features possible at the lowest price
• 141:00 - 141:30 point the Phantom gaming x870 Nova WiFi is going to probably be the best choice this is going to be the smart choice for sure because there isn't really any other board that I have found that offers this much value so first things first the Nova from ASRock is $349 this is a $350 motherboard that basically has
• 141:30 - 142:00 everything that you would need from a functionality standpoint so that means it has a lot of m.2 it has the post code it has the GPU disconnect lever it has a fully loaded Io if we find the where's the picture gallery I guess so yeah it's got a fully loaded I/O on the back 5 gbit landan optical audio clear camos button on the back
• 142:00 - 142:30 because not all of them have clear cosos on the back so it's got all of this tons of USB type a while providing Wi-Fi 7 and USB 4 which is standard on all these boards but the one thing that's cool about it this motherboard has five m.2 slots physical on the motherboard and here's the thing it also has PCI expansion slots at the
• 142:30 - 143:00 bottom all the while none of it compromises on the GPU slot which means you can fill all five m.2 slots on this board and the GPU still runs at 16 Lanes so this is kind of the secret motherboard this is like you go into a restaurant and you ask for the secret menu this is the secret menu like even
• 143:00 - 143:30 the website it looks like it looks like you entered like a secret level in a video game you know like it's we're like off on a on a endgame Planet somewhere in Starfield or something like and we found the Nova it's this floating monolith from ancient technology from an entire ancient civilization so this is the Nova this is like the one secret motherboard you know 20+ 2 plus 1 yeah that's totally
• 143:30 - 144:00 fine considering how energy efficient ryzen 9000 is keep in mind guys the 9950 X at stock Max cinebench R23 doesn't exceed 200 Watts so don't get caught up on the vrm 20 phases is already more phases than the $700 hero because the hero only has 18
• 144:00 - 144:30 phases so the Nova has got you covered in terms of like anything you can think of this motherboard has it all it has five m.2 drives just like the $700 Crosshair however the Crosshair takes Lanes from the GPU whereas the Nova does not so this is probably the secret board
• 144:30 - 145:00 so let's take a look at this block diagram cuz this thing is amazing like I when I first when somebody in my chat informed me of this board in one of the previous live streams I wasn't even aware of it and when I saw it I thought no this is too good to be true but then when I saw the block diagram and I was like wait a minute for real like this is legit s tier motherboard hands down check it out guaranteed gen five
• 145:00 - 145:30 graphics card slot with nothing sharing it nothing guaranteed 16 Lanes no matter what then we have a gen5 m.2 then we have usb4 we've seen this before then we have another another m.2 that's the second m.2 then we got two SATA then we got Wi-Fi 7 then we have 5 gig Lan then we have the third m.2 the
• 145:30 - 146:00 fourth m.2 then we have an ASM splitter to give you two more SATA off of one single Lane now the one caveat the one caveat of doing this no raid on these two SATA if you want to do raid zero you can still do raid on these two but you cannot do raid on these two and ASRock has denoted the difference SATA 3core 1 and SATA 3core 2 however if it says SATA
• 146:00 - 146:30 3core A1 and A2 a stands for as media because they're using an ASM 1061 to take one lane of gen 3 and split it to give you two for the price of one with the compromise being you cannot use Raid but but who uses raid on a consumer motherboard in 2021 or in 2024 2021 anyway so here's where it gets kind of interesting so they have an X1 gen
• 146:30 - 147:00 3 so that's for a sound card or something and then they have or a 1080p capture card you can do 1080p 60 on a capture card with this you cannot do 4K 60 on one gen3 lane so keep that in mind so then they have here's where it gets kind of interesting this is the secret sauce so instead of stealing Lanes from the GPU they're like well I think it's a better value if we take Lanes from
• 147:00 - 147:30 something else so what they did is they took the remaining two gen 3 Lanes they wired that to a plx switch and they have two lanes of gen 3 or two lanes of an a fifth m.2 which is a rare m two that is backwards compatible with old school SATA based NV or m.2 so you can do either a
• 147:30 - 148:00 nvme gen 3 but only up to two lanes or an old school SATA m.2 which is very rare to see so this is what I mean by S tier class board because this board doesn't it doesn't compromise on the graphics card's performance it will ensure full lanes for the GPU while still providing up to five m. tws and
• 148:00 - 148:30 that fifth m.2 secretly supports its dual function it can support SATA based m.2 that is something that you almost never see why is this useful if somebody has an ancient computer like let's say you have either first gen ryzen you're on an 1800x or you're on an Intel Skylake
• 148:30 - 149:00 6700k and you're thinking of upgrading to a modern era but your your boot Drive is on a SATA based m.2 you can literally plug that into to this motherboard and it will still work you like it will still work because this is backwards compatible with SATA based m.2 that is insane this this is what it means to be an S tier motherboard all the while it's
• 149:00 - 149:30 $350 $350 for everything that you could ask for five M do2s and full 16 Lane bandwidth is it a good switch from a Crosshair x670 hero um I would say if you already have an x670 motherboard there isn't really much of a benefit of going to
• 149:30 - 150:00 x870 um but this is like the this is the best option this is literally the best option it is very hard to argue against what azrock has done here with the Nova because this has like pretty much everything and and what's crazy as rkade just pointed out this motherboard I I can't remember where the picture was this motherboard has a back plate this motherboard is a
• 150:00 - 150:30 $350 motherboard fully loaded with a back plate that is sick there is like nothing else that comes close to the level of value compared to this board but yeah I would say to answer your question if you already have the hero I don't really see much reason to swap to x870 how about b650 or
• 150:30 - 151:00 selite now there you go now that is a better question so if you have b650 this is a good upgrade this is this is a good upgrade from that because b650 is a single chipset this is a dual chipset so this is going to give you way more connectivity this is also as far as I know an eight layer board yeah this is an eight layer this is an eight layer PCB eight layer PCB this is the same
• 151:00 - 151:30 this is in the same class as a $700 Crosshair hero in terms of the layer count but you're paying Asus $700 for that asro is asking for 350 keep that in mind and and the Asus board shares Lanes oh man this thing has no lane sharing for the GPU that's crazy this
• 151:30 - 152:00 ensures that the GPU is always 16 Lanes why doesn't M I know right like that was the thing that I was wondering like where is this board Micro Center I can see it now man this this board as a micro Center bundle would be like the best bundle in that company's entire history like if they did a Micro Center bundle this plus a 950x or get this this board plus a
• 152:00 - 152:30 9800x 3D that is like that is the the mind blown like best value ever in terms of like value like it's this is crazy like I there's like nothing else that cut that touches this so I plan on at some point in the near future I will do a tier list an x870 and then also an x870 I'll do two separate
• 152:30 - 153:00 they're not going to be in the same video so I'll do x870 tier list and x870 tier list I can tell you guys right now this board's going to be in a class of its own there's literally no other board that can touch the Nova that like no other board can touch the Nova this objectively wins on Merit alone it wins on price it wins on value it wins on features it wins on no compromise like there's literally like
• 153:00 - 153:30 nothing else out there that can touch this board $350 everything's there like that's it that's it it's like in an age where the price of these Electronics has just gone up so much we've seen so much power creep in terms of like price inflation whatever the excuse is like all these boards have gotten so much more expensive meanwhile asr's like here you go $350 guess what five M do2s full 16
• 153:30 - 154:00 bandwidth oh and by the way it's a it's got a post code on here and it has a GPU quick disconnect latch it has the GPU disconnect it has the post code I mean everything like everything five M do2s really one of them can be backwards compatible with SATA ah it wins bowry thanks for the sub much appreciated this is the winner this is the board to
• 154:00 - 154:30 get is new better at returns now um I think yeah I think they fixed that that hasn't really been a problem in recent history but yeah this is it guys if you're looking for what I guess the objectively best x870 e motherboard Nova wins like Nova wins I know we still have to cover MSI but uh spoiler alert Nova wins we can go
• 154:30 - 155:00 through all of MSI boards and Nova still wins there's nothing better than this I guess I should have saved azrock to the end but I know that as my streams go long some of the viewers have to leave for the evening so it's like I kind of wanted to at least show give the Nova enough visibility because man ASRock is literally killing it right now in terms of the value so and ASRock also historically has really good ECC support um and they're
• 155:00 - 155:30 also good Linux support too like for PCI pass through and things like that in their bios so um if you've never used an ASRock board before don't shy away from ASRock because they these guys man they like you're getting a lot they give you a lot for the money like it's they're kind of like that secret brand that underrated underappreciated you know flying under the radar no one talks about them but you got to give credit where credits
• 155:30 - 156:00 do and they have knocked it out of the park with this Nova this is the winner this is this is this is either going to be S tier by itself and everything else is going to be like a or lower or this is going to be like s+ it's just going to be off by itself it's just like off in a class by itself eight layer post code it's got all the things that the overclockers want um you know it's got It's got heat sinks for all five m.
• 156:00 - 156:30 tws and it has the quick disconnect for the GPU like I mean you you can't debate against this I don't know what to tell you it's like uh you know it's crazy so how does it compare to taichi so taichi has taii has two more two more SATA you got six on taiichi you only have four on the Nova so that is one difference the taichi is also eatx this is an extended ATX board whereas the Nova is a standard
• 156:30 - 157:00 ATX motherboard and and this could actually be a pro for a lot of people because not everybody has a case that can fit an eatx board whereas this is a standard ATX so I mean this this is like that crazy Yu-Gi-Oh card that's like super broken and it's going to go on band list because it's just way too good if you know what I'm talking about anyone who played like card games like MTG or Yu-Gi-Oh back in the day this is this is something that needs to go on
• 157:00 - 157:30 the ban list it's just too good the value is way too [Laughter] good yeah this thing is basically pot of greed like straight up graceful charity man like what is this and it has RGB it's got like everything it it appeals to like any PC Enthusiast The Gamers you want RGB it has RGB overclockers you want postcode you want quality of life
• 157:30 - 158:00 like easy release for the GPU it has it you know like it basically has everything there's no complaints there's no complaints you can't complain there's just so much plus this motherboard has so much plus anyway if I keep talking about this we're not going to get to MSI all night so let's talk about MSI So speaking of MSI actually wait is there any more no that's the Nova's block diagram okay so yeah this is that's the winner anyway
• 158:00 - 158:30 moving on Godlike So speaking of so moving in the complete opposite direction in terms of value like if you want if you want to splurge on a motherboard that basically is super fully featured like super fully featured the Godlike is probably the king whereas the Nova is like the the value King but not value in a bad way value in a really good way so um you know like if
• 158:30 - 159:00 if the Nova is pot of greed this is like dark armed Dragon uh in the dark armed Dragon meta of Yu-Gi-Oh like way back if anyone understands that reference well congratulations but this is the Godlike from MSI this is their highest and motherboard it is it will launch probably within the next couple of weeks here several I don't know how long exactly but expect this to show up at some point soon it's not it was not
• 159:00 - 159:30 available at launch but it is coming out soon but this board basically has like everything just like the Nova but unlike the Nova this board is not going to be $350 this is probably going to be the most expensive x870 motherboard I would imagine if I had to give this a price estimate I would say this is going to be either $1,300 or more so starting price I would
• 159:30 - 160:00 say would be around $12.99 for this Godlike motherboard so think about if you put that into perspective the Nova is $350 so for $950 more dollars you can get a Godlike instead or to put it in another way you could buy more than one Nova you could buy multiple Novas for the price of one
• 160:00 - 160:30 Godlike I really should have done ASRock last because now now I feel like I'm I'm I'm doing MSI Dirty by making MSI go after a I don't know how you follow up that act you know like it it's like if you're if you're in the Olympics and the person who is going to get the gold medal just did a perfect run now you have to go after them you're the following act oh man this a that's a tough act to follow so that's why we're bringing that in with the Godlike so the Godlike is fully featured this thing has
• 160:30 - 161:00 its own set of gimmicks it's got multiple LCD screens it has a it has RGB on the heat sink for the m.2 so it's got four screens it is it has a quick disconnect button it has a detachable module that this part of the board on the right literally removes itself you can literally detach it almost like a remote control from the
• 161:00 - 161:30 motherboard uh so it's got a lot to it it has an insanely loaded IO so one of the things where the Godlike does bring um kind of the the wow factor if you will is it's got all 10 gig type A so it's got 8 10 gig type A it has 10 gig landan so it does have 10 gig land in addition to 5 gig land so you it's
• 161:30 - 162:00 giving you the upper tier land which is 5 gig this generation for a lot of these boards and then it's also giving you 10 gig so 10 gig plus five so dual land uh and then it has the USB 4 and then it has five USBC so it's got a lot of USBC so so it's very future prooof I mean you're paying a very very premium price but this motherboard does have a lot of runway in terms of you can if you get
• 162:00 - 162:30 this board you pretty much can build yourself a mini workstation or a high-end desktop without paying thread Ripper prices in terms of connectivity you're getting tons of connectivity 10 gig land optical audio as well as like upgrade things like Wi-Fi 7 USB 4 so if someone's thinking of building like a productivity Workhorse but they don't want to pay for HT prices meaning you don't want to buy
• 162:30 - 163:00 thread Ripper you could get this and basically stay on this until until like way until the very end of the am5 socket you can literally ride out am5 socket into the sunset with something like this you can basically do a drop in CPU upgrade you can start with either a 950x or an x3d and then go all the way up to the very last uh ryzen CPU that supports am5 so whatever that ends up being so
• 163:00 - 163:30 yeah lots of good stuff on here it has uh an X8 that shares bandwidth with the GPU but it also has a dedicated X4 so it does have an X4 so very similar at first glance the Godlike is very similar to the x 670e extreme the Crosshair extreme from Asus which was a $1,000 Flagship for the previous generation of boards so
• 163:30 - 164:00 x670 this is similar to that but this has newer things too like Wi-Fi 7 and way more USBC on the back this also has five m.2 slots as well similar to the Nova and the hero um but I don't fully I can't tell from here unless they have the manual oh and they still don't have the manual so they're still hiding the manual I guess they don't want their competitors to see it early and then
• 164:00 - 164:30 immediately try to copy with some updated motherboards but they're they're touting you know on here MSI is saying the godlight can handle 40 8,400 plus on ryzen 9000 series for two sticks of ram that are single Rank and then dual rank can do 6,400 plus and four sticks four sticks of single rank can do 6,400
• 164:30 - 165:00 plus and four sticks of dual rank can do 4,800 plus so this is probably achievable because the Godlike is a 10 layer Server Motherboard like they literally they literally are using 10 layers on the PCB here so this is this is the thickest PCB out of all the motherboards um in terms of what it has
• 165:00 - 165:30 here so so yeah I would say this one if you're someone who's really into me overclocking memory the guy like I would assume just because it's a 10 layer board it will have the best noise electrical noise isolation characteristics just because it's a 10 layer board so that is something worth mentioning that's probably why they're advertising these really high memory speeds especially on the four sticks
• 165:30 - 166:00 though like four Stick 6,400 that's really interesting uh it also so here's the thing currently MSI claim to fame so for those of you that are have been out of the loop on memory standards so ddr5 is about to get a major upgrade in terms of capab ility today with the launch of x870 MSI currently is the only motherboard vendor that has support for
• 166:00 - 166:30 the upcoming CM or CU dim so these motherboards the Godlike and the carbon and I guess the other MSI boards they are the only ones currently with their bios to support a cuud dim ddr5 memory module where whereas all the others they will support it in the future but they don't support it at launch uh it's not a really big it's not a big deal right now uh it is something worth mentioning but it doesn't exist on the market today so
• 166:30 - 167:00 it's one of those things where it's like MSI is like hey we've got this feature so it's like they're putting their uh best foot forward so it's like we have you covered if you're someone who wants to go to CU dim in the future so you don't have to worry about whether or not the board supports C udm so they've got the latest standard supported in their bios um and that memory will help that memory will help Aon at being able to run higher densities at higher
• 167:00 - 167:30 speeds because that memory has a clock redriver it's basically a signal regenerator on the motherboard and a lot of the reasons why speeds above 8,000 are really hard to do is because when you when you run the memory clock so high we're talking you know like 4 GHz if you're running 8,000 ddr5 your memory clock is 4 GHz you have to sit back and think about that for a second the memory clock is running 4
• 167:30 - 168:00 gigahertz you know so the memory transfer is going to be 8,000 megga transfers per second so you would imagine the wires between the CPU memory controller across the motherboard to the actual dim like having to manage the electrical noise and the Integrity of the signal across that Trace when you're running the speed that fast can become very challenging and that is where CU dim and cam 2 will solve that problem
• 168:00 - 168:30 they'll do it in slightly different ways the CU dim has a regenerator so the idea is it'll take the signal from the memory controller and it will clean up the signal and regenerate it into the memory modules so that will help with achieving better memory speeds much more easily and I would imagine that CU dim probably also trains in on the initial memory training CM will probably train faster
• 168:30 - 169:00 and more consistently um because of that redriver on the dim so that is something to look forward to in the future but that's probably something that we will see at the earliest it'll probably be at the very end of this year um or sometime in the first half of next years when you'll start seeing those how will that affect latency um it really shouldn't change things that much because all it's doing is regenerating the signal so at the end of the day uh it remains to be seen what
• 169:00 - 169:30 it does for latency but I don't think it would impact anything let's put this another way having the regenerator the benefit of being able to run the memory at a much higher speed will offset any sort of slight increase in the latency that the redriver adds assuming it adds latency so it may not even be an issue so just keep that in mind so 16 to the CPU to the GPU eight
• 169:30 - 170:00 on the second one so it's got that buy 8 by8 config that we've seen on a lot of boards like the hero then it has a dedicated X4 from the chipset to the just like the um the stricks from Asus and the orus master all the or Master had two of these so then it has ec1 or E1 and E2 these are okay yeah this is just basically telling you if you populate the second PC slot the GPU slot
• 170:00 - 170:30 will run at half bandwidth that's standard that's normal behavior then it has this okay it says right here the third pcia slot which means this is the one at the very bottom this means it's the small one it's that little one down there this one will run at X2 when installing m.2 4 now keep in mind the Godlike just like the Nova and the hero
• 170:30 - 171:00 this motherboard has five m.2 slots so it's it looks like the fourth m.2 is sharing bandwidth with the bottom PCI slot it says you can switch the bottom slot to force X4 in the Bios but this will disable the fourth m.2 drive or the fourth m.2 slot so here are the okay this is interesting so they've
• 171:00 - 171:30 got they've got a CPU they got the standard Gen 5 that everybody has guaranteed no lane sharing then they have this one and they're claiming as far as I can tell there's no lane sharing okay which means the Godlike functions the way AMD intended uh in the sense that if you guys remember the block diagram AMD the
• 171:30 - 172:00 reference from AMD says that you should run your USB 4 off of the chipset so you can provide two Gen 5 drives off of the CPU without any lane sharing so it looks like the Godlike actually implemented that correctly whereas everybody else except for azrock everyone else did it wrong or they did it in a weird way um so and okay then we've got m.2
• 172:00 - 172:30 3 this is an X4 okay that's a Gen 4 off the chips so that's fine then there's this one which is two lane okay that that's the one that shares with the bottom slot and then there's this one so so the the one thing that is confusing here is where where are the lanes for the
• 172:30 - 173:00 usb4 this does have usb4 it does have usb4 so what how are they H this is a mystery I don't know how they're doing this unless this is sharing Lanes with the GPU like what with what the hero did it doesn't say it anywhere
• 173:00 - 173:30 though this will be disabled when that is running switch this oh no it'll disable that one yeah I don't know how I don't know how they're doing this unless they have some kind of switch for the USB [Music] 4 like meaning if they plug in if they
• 173:30 - 174:00 plug in this m.2 they disable USB 4 but they don't say that so I'm not actually sure how they are achieving this or or maybe this one disables usb4 something is weird here like I don't know how they're achieving what they're advertising here they may bring an ace to Market later they just there so keep in mind guys all the
• 174:00 - 174:30 motherboards that are launching this week this is not all the motherboards for am5 there are going to be more motherboards coming later on gigabyte has already planned to launch an extreme so there will be an orus extreme I would imagine the others will introduce more motherboards like I think Asus will probably bring like a gene or something or like a an an ITX some MX boards will show up at some point so this is not all the motherboards more motherboards will
• 174:30 - 175:00 show up later the ace might be one of them but yeah I don't know how this is uh yeah they got three on the chipset I understand how this works I don't understand where the lanes for the USB 4 are unless this is sharing with that or something or the GPU is sharing Lanes something is missing here and I don't know what it
• 175:00 - 175:30 is I don't know where the USB 4 is going yeah it'd be really nice to see the block diagram for this and then they've got 10 gig land and that takes two lanes of gen 3 so that means okay let's try to draw the block diagram so for the Godlike we're going to have to remove some of this stuff we have to remove all these
• 175:30 - 176:00 labels oh wait I don't want to remove those oh well I'll just retype them I guess okay so they're claiming how would this work so if this is the Godlike they're doing they they claim they're doing two m.
• 176:00 - 176:30 tws so they're doing actually we need to delete some of this other stuff okay so they're claiming m.2 m.2 and then oh I should have kept this thing actually whoops hold on I want to do this well I'll put the name at the end anyway so they're claiming oh wait there is there is there
• 176:30 - 177:00 a yeah there is okay there's a switch so they've got a switch but they're claiming that it's only for the graphics card and the second PCI slot so this is either going to be x16 or X8 and this is going to be either x0 or X8 depending on if they're both populated or not the carbon's next that's the next one on the
• 177:00 - 177:30 list so so then they're saying there's two m.2 so there m.2 here there's m.2 there this is pcie 5.0 x24 Lanes so this is the X this is x16 this is X4 this is X4 so they're claiming this this is pretty standard stuff this is the PCI E1 this is the pcie E2 that's what they've stated so this is this is just from the
• 177:30 - 178:00 documentation then they're claiming they've got a uh there's like a splitter here again they have another splitter and here on the chipset there is either a PC p c e PCI E3 this is four lanes or there's an m.2 and if you run the
• 178:00 - 178:30 m.2 it takes half the lanes of that pcie so which means it can become this is going to either be X4 or X2 and this is going to be either x0 or X2 that is how they're doing this now oh this is PCI 4.0
• 178:30 - 179:00 X4 this is pcie 3.0 X4 which can also be SATA then they're saying I think well how many SATA did it have it said it had four SATA which is weird because the pictures look like it only has too is this documented correctly this is weird they they've got four SATA but the picture look like it only has two SATA
• 179:00 - 179:30 so I don't know where the other two SATA are unless they're buried under the uh thing they're buried under that back plate shroud that not back plate the uh heat snc shroud or something for the m.2 so here they've got uh well we can just do it this way so I'll just say they got four they got SATA one two three four they got four SATA that takes four lanes that's all the that's all the lanes
• 179:30 - 180:00 now I think they would need to use ASM Splitters do they so the question is do they support raid they don't say oh it does supports raid zero and raid one and RAID 10 for the storage what I feel like this is not true I
• 180:00 - 180:30 don't know how this is true anyway so there there's got to be some GPU lane sharing there's got to be like I don't understand this is going to work so then they're going to do uh one two three four five we still need two more m.2 so we got m.2 and another m.2 these are both four this is Gen 4 so four and four that's all the Gen 4 available cuz there's eight Lanes down here
• 180:30 - 181:00 so that is that's how they do five drives according to them one two 3 four five there's physically five M do2s on the board and then they have 10g Lan which takes two lanes this takes two lanes of gen 3 to actually work otherwise you don't have
• 181:00 - 181:30 10 gig landan and then they have 5 gig and Wifi 7 one lane each so you got X2 you got X1 you got you got X1 so all the lanes are well so okay there's one problem there's one problem with this USB 4 where is USB 4 this is why
• 181:30 - 182:00 I'm confused because up until now all these other motherboards did not give you a second gen 5 SSD instead they put the ASM here and they gave you USB 4 so I don't know an MSI the Godlike list USB 4 and it's literally shown in the pictures on the back IO they've got those 40 gbit ports on there so and they talk about how you can run monitors off
• 182:00 - 182:30 of them so I don't know what's going on here I would assume in reality in reality they have lane sharing with the graphics card I don't see any other way around it so I would I would not be surprised if this hold on this is actually USB
• 182:30 - 183:00 4 so I would not be surprised at the slightest if in reality if they have errors in their documentation and this is actually USB 4 and the final
• 183:00 - 183:30 m.2 is actually hanging off of this the the other Gen 5 which means unfortunately the graphics card runs at X8 if you use the fifth one I would assume that is how this works I can't see this working in any other way I mean there's no way they can do five m.2 and have USB
• 183:30 - 184:00 4 and like have it all work so yeah so it's 5 m.2 so it would be one two three four five so that one peels Lanes from the GPU that's the only way this can work I know they're not saying on the website but there's no way they're doing uh dual Gen 5 ssds with the second one not taking
• 184:00 - 184:30 lanes because they got to do USB 4 and based off of their documentation the USB 4 has to be wired to the CPU otherwise they can't have this like this can't be a thing this would also be up for debate on how that's implemented but but yeah I think this is the Godlike guys I'm going to go ahead and so this is so this is going to either be that or X8 uh and then this is going to be either X8 or X4 when
• 184:30 - 185:00 the when the m.2 is installed here this second slot is running at X4 speeds that's the only way that it'll work it's physically impossible possible there's not enough lanes for it to work in any other way I thought the USB 4 had its own chipset for it uh it does the chip is called ASM
• 185:00 - 185:30 4242 it's made by as media you have a chip right you have this how are you going to connect this to the CPU where is it going to go you you still have to take Lanes you still got to you still have to allocate there's got to be a way to get it here it's got to go there somehow you can't just have a chip set and have it just floating around you know what I'm
• 185:30 - 186:00 saying go back to the specs again because the X we're not talking about x670 I I already know how x670 works you know how x670 works you know how you know how the ace works the ace doesn't have this the ace doesn't have this so instead of this this isn't here instead they give you the m.2 as Gen 5
• 186:00 - 186:30 so the GPU gets its full lanes that is the Ace what we what what you're looking at right now well okay this down here doesn't exist either that's gone so on the ace this is the ace For Those wondering and this is an X4 and this is actually gen five so so no this is actually this is actually not the ace I already have
• 186:30 - 187:00 an old video I've shown the ace I've drawn the ace like two or three times two years ago we we've covered the Ace in depth I know exactly how the ace is wired U like the back of my hand I know exactly where everything goes on the ace so but this is not the ace this is the Godlike and this is x870 and so guys the ace doesn't have the x670 ace doesn't have USB 4 it
• 187:00 - 187:30 doesn't have that so guess what that frees up four lanes for something else see so it's because of this mandatory usb4 that you have to account for four lanes usb4 requires four lanes of pcie 4.0 or let's in to say this in another way ASM
• 187:30 - 188:00 4242 the usb4 chipset requires four lanes of PCI 4.0 so you could do 5.0 there's no real benefit to doing this but everybody seems to have wired it to What could have been four lanes of Gen 5 even though the chip itself only uses Gen 4 so when you wire a Gen 4 device to a five lane or a a f a fifth
• 188:00 - 188:30 gen interface what happens they Auto Neti to the lowest common denominator so they will run at the slower speed the Gen 4 speed likewise if you plug a Samsung 990 Pro into this Gen 5 m.2 it's only going to run at Gen 4 speed because the 990 Pro is not a Gen 5 drive so keep that in mind it's always going to run at
• 188:30 - 189:00 the lowest common denominator so anyway so this is the this is my assumption on how the Godlike works this is the new x870 God like I'm going to assume this is how it actually works so which which means they are not saying it on their website but that means that there is some lane sharing with the graphics card hence another reason why asrock's Nova is in an entire S-Class of its
• 189:00 - 189:30 own mman thanks for the sub all right we're getting toward the end now so this is the Godlike now let's move on to the ace or not the ace uh the uh the carbon so the carbon the carbon is a more reasonable option this is this is the $500 board so one thing you guys have to remember all four of these brands have
• 189:30 - 190:00 the $500 option and once you go above $500 you're not really getting a whole lot more for your money so keep that in mind $500 is kind of where the ceiling is and then there are motherboards that are more expensive than 00 but it's questionable whether or not it's actually worth getting them so you have to have some very very unique use case if you need a $700 motherboard so anyway that being said so carbon
• 190:00 - 190:30 competes with the orus master from gigabyte because they're both $500 and then the Asus stricks the x870 e- this is the Asus $500 option so it competes with this and then from ASRock ASRock actually doesn't have a $500 board they have a $450 Flagship which is a taiichi so when it comes down to like comparing Apples
• 190:30 - 191:00 to Apples it would be the strix e- E versus the taiichi versus the orus master versus the carbon from MSI that those are kind of the the the main ones that people are going to do a lot of comparisons on because they're all kind of in that you know $450 to $500 price range so um okay so the carbon is similar to the Godlike except it does not have
• 191:00 - 191:30 that fifth m.2 slot so like all the other $500 boards it has a push button to remove the GPU and it also has the postcode debug however that's not really a main selling point of a $500 motherboard anymore because thankfully a lot of the lower cost like motherboards in the $300 price range from this generation also have the postcode and the quick disconnect for the graphics
• 191:30 - 192:00 card what is going to differentiate the carbon from the others uh it has the RGB so if you're into the whole Dragon theme and the RGB on the they actually have RGB on the physical heat sink for the m.2 so that is interesting how they did that the one thing that is really cool about the carbon the carbon is 100% toolless for
• 192:00 - 192:30 the ssds there are no tiny little screws that you have to keep track of uh when you're installing your m.2 drives because they use latch mechanisms and pressure point button things to hold and secure the Heat syst that includes this giant thing for the other three so there's four m. tws on this board three are covered by this middle section and then the main boot drive that can do gen five is up here so
• 192:30 - 193:00 it's got two Gen 5 and two gen 4 so if we are going to show the block diagram actually they have it on their website so I guess I'll save time on by going there so MSI just like azrock and gigabyte MSI does the right thing although it is kind of harder to find because they do their they show their block diagram but they show it like way at the bottom of the manual so you got to scroll pretty far
• 193:00 - 193:30 down but they do show the block diagram so Asus is the only one that does not reveal the block diagram the other three show you what you're getting in a picture that's worth a th000 words so here we go ASM so you got USB 4 directly connected to four lanes of what could have been Gen 5 just like the Godlike just like all the other ones
• 193:30 - 194:00 except well actually no yeah just like everybody everybody's doing this for some weird reason even though AMD was like Hey guys make sure to connect the ASM to the chipset so you don't burn up your second uh slot like you don't eat up your second slot on the CPU but for some reason all four of them decided to connect the ASM directly to the CPU for
• 194:00 - 194:30 some unknown reason that I don't understand hence the reason why all these boards almost all of them except for azrock are sharing Lanes with the GPU okay so two SATA Sports raid there's the second m.2 that's Gen 4 You Got 5 gig land you got 2.5 gig land so just like the hero you get the dual
• 194:30 - 195:00 landan uh and then two more SATA so those support raid so I like how MSI names these so notice how here uh they say SATA P3 P4 SATA S1 S2 I think this is kind of weird weird so S1 s means secondary chipset p means primary chipset so why is it not P1 P2 and S3 S4 instead it's S1 S2 P3 P4 this
• 195:00 - 195:30 is really weird because that means if you connect let's say you connect multiple of these drives Windows will tell you that drive zero is this one S1 so whatever you connect to S1 windows will view that as Drive number zero or the first drive because they've done it this way which is kind of wonky because it means that
• 195:30 - 196:00 the first drive is hanging off of all the way down here on the second chipset so kind of a strange Choice doesn't really matter much but it is something interesting I guess and then you have a piece slot so we can figure out how many so unlike okay one thing I don't like about this compared to ASRock where azrock azrock was super detailed I mean okay to msi's credit they give you
• 196:00 - 196:30 these Nic looking pictures these representations of what these things are however they don't tell you how many lanes like you don't know unless you actually know you don't actually know what the lane counts are whereas with ASRock it's very clear to see oh this is four lanes this is 16 Lanes this is four lanes so you know exactly this is one lane this is one lane uh you know
• 196:30 - 197:00 gigabyte I gigabyte doesn't do that oh gigabyte does that too see gigabyte four lanes four lanes four lanes so the nice thing about gigabyte I think gigabyte and ASRock do a better job when it comes to their block diagram MSI is definitely third place here um but I guess they got nice pictures I guess um but for a novice who doesn't understand how many lanes a device uses this is not as useful
• 197:00 - 197:30 overall although I guess this probably looks more beginner friendly because it shows these images of what these things are but we can do the lane count so this is one two this is two lanes of gen 3 this is four lanes of Gen 4 the Wi-Fi 7 is one one lane of gen 3 so that's 1 two three uh three lanes gen 3 and then four lanes Gen 4 so I guess this is an X4 slot so let's confirm that
• 197:30 - 198:00 here yes this is an X4 Gen 4 slot so this bottom one is perfect for a 4K capture card or 10 gigb Lan or whatever or or another m.2 via an expansion card so so that's that's really nice okay so that's that's eight Lanes so remember chipset number two has eight Lanes total of Gen 4 four of them go to this drive four of them go to this slot
• 198:00 - 198:30 and then it has four lanes of gen 3 one for this one for that one for WiFi and I don't know oh I guess they're using like a A redriver or something to convert one to a 20 GB USB gen 2X two or something okay and then we've got one 2 three four so those are all four gen three lanes and on on this primary chipset you only have four lanes of Gen 4 and all four of those Lanes go to this
• 198:30 - 199:00 m.2 so everything's used they're using everything so it's a decent choice I would say like uh the okay where hold on a second this can't be right one two the this is not represented correctly so where is
• 199:00 - 199:30 the am I looking at the right no this is the Godlike no wonder hold on what did I do oh did I get rid of the thing I didn't open the tab yeah there's no way like hold on this thing yeah PCI hold on that shares B with I am confused on their
• 199:30 - 200:00 documentation PCI E1 and two okay here it is and M22 share bandwidth there we go there we go this they need to update this diagram this diagram is actually wrong this is misleading someone is going to look at this and they're going to assume that they can populate the second gen 5 and not steal Lanes from the graphics card this is actually incorrect the truth is as soon as they
• 200:00 - 200:30 use the second gen 5 m.2 slot they will run their graphics card at X8 so this is a misrepresentation in their block diagram so this is definitely incorrect this almost is borderline false advertising so they do need to correct this because this is very misleading but the website explains it so it says here pcie E1 and E2 and the second m.2 share the
• 200:30 - 201:00 bandwidth and the PCI version supports blah blah blah okay so yeah I mean it they literally have the same splitter like what I drew on the Godlike I'm pretty sure the Godlike and the carbon are wired identically when it comes to the CPU Lanes so um if we go back to here so if we want to draw the carbon
• 201:00 - 201:30 instead of the Godlike the difference is to make this a carbon you all of this is identical to the Godlike the Godlike and the carbon this is exactly the same the second m.2 shares bandwidth with the graphics card and the second PCI slot because of that USB 4 there taking up its spot AMD said put this down here
• 201:30 - 202:00 apparently nobody got the memo um yeah that's hold on the other thing oh uh this is not here this is full X4 so this is just a a plain X4 and that's pretty much it right one two 3 yeah that's it okay so this is it this is this is the carbon very similar to the Godlike except the Godlike adds this uh unique
• 202:00 - 202:30 they do this unique thing in here with a splitter to get a fifth m.2 whereas the carbon basically doesn't offer that so this is the true carbon WiFi block diagram this is the correct version of it um hold on I got to delete this thing this thing's not here there that's the
• 202:30 - 203:00 carbon but yeah MSI needs to fix that documentation that block diagram is wrong the website's correct though oh wait uh I'm there's one thing no there's no 10 gig there's no 10 gig instead what they do is they do uh they do 5 gig and
• 203:00 - 203:30 2.5 so they do dual so there's the 5 gig they have 2.5 and they give you like a 20 gig USBC redriver or something so you got a like a 20 gig USBC down here that and then there's like a two uh 2.5 there and these are both one lane one that's one gen 3 Lane and that's one gen 3 Lane there you go this is the carbon
• 203:30 - 204:00 WiFi so overall this is a decent choice I mean the only drawback is this that's kind of annoying um because as soon as you populate that second CPU connected Drive you're running your GPU at X8 so this is that's the one thing that's like the one thing that's kind of a knock against it if you want to avoid doing that uh and you still want four M do2s you can still
• 204:00 - 204:30 do four M do2s it would be this one these two and then what you'd have to do is you'd have to buy an addin card to convert this bottom X4 into an nvme addin card so you could still technically do four m.2 and still retain the full 16 Lanes so it's possible just like with the Asus hero the hero can do it because the hero has the slim SAS the carbon doesn't have the slim sass
• 204:30 - 205:00 although I think technically the carbon option is is cheaper because I think an X4 Gen 4 addin card you know is pretty cheap compared to buying like an Enterprise SSD or the enclosure and the adapter cable and that other stuff so yeah carbon is actually pretty okay like this is an okay board I would say it's it's the other thing too is it has msi's new bios so the UEFI interface is very modern from what I have
• 205:00 - 205:30 seen so it's it's pretty good it has cuud dim support So this motherboard already as of launch already supports the new km I'm calling it km but CM ddr5 the newer ddr5 this motherboard already supports it so it already has that covered in fact I would I would go so far as to say that the carbon the carbon's claim to fame like the one thing about it is it already supports km so it's
• 205:30 - 206:00 like as soon as km is out like you can literally put it in this board it already Works without even updating the bios so that's kind of unique about it I guess so that's it's it's interesting unique thing that it does is that it has CU dim support right out the gate whereas like Hero's little uh gimmick was that it had slim sass I mean that's kind of what I'm thinking does Nova do CU dim not at launch it will as far as I know a unless
• 206:00 - 206:30 it does and ASRock does not mention it it will do it via a bios update so it it's not a big deal that it doesn't have it because currently there are no CU dim on the market so even if even if you have the carbon you still can't benefit from it because they're literally not on the market yet so you're going to have to wait so I have a feeling by the time CU dim shows up all the other brands will
• 206:30 - 207:00 have bios updates that add support so um that's the carbon okay we need to kind of move a little bit faster here all right the tomahawk oh boy this is an interesting one so the tomahawk is actually pretty good I would say compared to the previous generation Tomahawk this is an
• 207:00 - 207:30 example of MSI listening to the criticisms of the previous motherboards so how have they improved well this motherboard is in that $300 range it also provides a postcode Deb bug it also has a quick disconnect for the GPU so if you're someone who doesn't already have a b650 or b650 motherboard this is a much better choice than b650 or b650
• 207:30 - 208:00 because you are getting the quality of life improvements at a lower price point compared to what you had to pay for previously if you wanted these you know these simple things like a GPU disconnect button and a postcode debug to tell you that your memory is training so you know it's nice to have I mean it's nice to see these things on a lower cost board the tomahawk has always historically
• 208:00 - 208:30 been a very popular board it is a bestseller for MSI for both AMD and Intel based platforms so it is nice to see the tomahawk now actually is worth recommending again because it actually has things that are tangibly useful so in addition to USB 4 and Wi-Fi 7 it actually has good stuff now um so decent motherboard overall unlike Asus it has heat sinks on all of
• 208:30 - 209:00 the m.2 at this lower price point keep in mind it is a single chip it is an x870 it is not an x870 which means it is single chipset so if we look at the block diagram hopefully they show the block diagram some sometimes MSI doesn't reveal the block diagram if the motherboard is a lower tier product like if it's a lower cost
• 209:00 - 209:30 okay so that's actually really nice so they do have it so here we can look at this real quick so it has the uh I don't know what's up with this why is this blurry there we go anyway looks kind of blurry to me anyway so the GPU the good thing on the tomahawk well let me make sure one two
• 209:30 - 210:00 three what is this hold on a second what are they doing ASM 4242 and the and the second gen five are connected to the same Lanes did they just reveal the secret for the Godlike is this how the Godlike is doing this I think we may have discovered
• 210:00 - 210:30 something new that I've never seen before so if this is true this reveals this the tomahawk block diagram is revealing the secret method that MSI has utilized to give you M do2s and USB 4 but what are they doing are they running a splitter or something what is this I've never seen this
• 210:30 - 211:00 hold on now I'm confused they they're just confusing me CU dim support a $300 something motherboard already has CU dim support that is a good sign that means that you can expect all the budget boards to also
• 211:00 - 211:30 gain CU dim support in the future via bios update but MSI has a more budget friendly option that already has the support so but I want to know like how is this working because okay this will run at X2 when installing the device in so MSI is becoming um like the the one brand that is doing this sort of thing they're taking like uh a piea slot and they're taking half of the lanes not the GPU slot just one of the other ones I'm
• 211:30 - 212:00 taking half of that bandwidth to provide another m.2 so in the block diagram we can see that here somewhere where is it oh right here so the way they've Illustrated I don't know what's up with this document like why this one's blurry and the other ones weren't the low-end board is has a blurry PDF anyway I shouldn't say lowend this is still mid tier because the 300 range is still the mid tier okay so they're doing
• 212:00 - 212:30 lane sharing on the chipset instead of the GPU so the cool thing about the tomahawk it looks like the okay it says here [Music] usb4 and m.2 cor2 share pcie 5.0 X4 bandwidth both run at 5.2 X4 when when a device is
• 212:30 - 213:00 installed in the second m.2 you can switch the m.2 to 5.4 but this will disable o MSI is doing some interesting stuff with this they're giving you the option to turn off off USB 4 if you think you'll never need it that way you can get full Gen 5 bandwidth to the second m.2 this is very unique this is actually a a good idea
• 213:00 - 213:30 rather than steal Lanes from the graphics card they're taking lanes and they're like making features optional like if you want USB 4 then your gen your second gen five will run at half bandwidth but keep in mind if you truly have a Gen 5 SSD like the Inland from Micro Center or maybe you have a crucial
• 213:30 - 214:00 t700 or a newer t705 these are Gen 5 ssds these are the world's fastest ssds if you run this in this tomahawk in the second slot and you want you USB 4 your Gen 5 Drive will run at half speed which means it will run as fast as a Gen 4 SSD that's actually not a bad thing considering how fast Gen 4 ssds already
• 214:00 - 214:30 are so I feel like this is a happy compromise compared to stealing Lanes with no way around it uh from the GPU so this is I like this idea I actually really like this idea so I feel like MSI yeah MSI is definitely uh thinking outside the box with this approach so they they show it in the block diagram I wonder now carbon was
• 214:30 - 215:00 wrong carbon yeah carbon actually is sharing bandwidth with the GPU so the it's weird the tomahawk is actually doing something I think more beneficial than what the $500 carbon is doing that is very interesting if you buy Gen 5 SSD you want Gen 5 speeds yeah um yeah but the other thing too I want
• 215:00 - 215:30 to S point something out though like the Gen 5 though the cooling on this is probably not going to be very good for Gen 5 just because this is not it's under the GPU and you know it's going to run really hot that's not a really big heat sink either so just keep that in mind so I I don't know I think at the price point this is actually a decent compromise it's like if you want you can still maintain
• 215:30 - 216:00 usb4 um but I I this this makes me wonder how would the usb4 devices handle like being at half bandwidth as far as I know ASM 4242 doesn't do Gen 5 so you like they're saying both run at gen 5x2 but the ASM doesn't do Gen 5 it would be gen 4x2 so which would be even worse so I yeah that's uh this would be an interesting motherboard to test like
• 216:00 - 216:30 this would be a lot of fun to just test these features and see how they behave when you're fully populating the board with drives and peripherals and stuff and see how the bandwidth is is getting divided but anyway this is an okay board like I think uh overall for the price point this is actually a solid choice this is definitely a better choice than the tough and this is definitely a better choice than the prime uh this is definitely more in line
• 216:30 - 217:00 with the orus elite in terms of what it what I think it's a better price comparison tough didn't even have a post code no post code Prime no post code like uh I mean at at least they have the tool for removing the GPU but tough also there's like no heat sink for the bottom m.2 like what really Prime also Prime only has heat sinks for
• 217:00 - 217:30 two out of the four m.2 slots and there's no post code so it's like Asus is actually failing really hard at the lower price points you know at that at that like from 200 to $400 Asus is failing really bad right now in terms of the value you're getting like way better value if you go with MSI gigabyte or ASRock but you know what's even crazy though like we talked about how how
• 217:30 - 218:00 broken s tier dark arm Dragon the Nova from azck is this is $350 $350 for this versus like the tomahawk I mean there isn't really although yeah Tomah Hawk's cheaper but still I mean really I mean yeah there's a reason why the Nova is basically the winner Best in Class hands down all right and that brings us to the pro x870 Wi-Fi from MSI so this is more
• 218:00 - 218:30 of like their I don't know why they call this Pro it's so weird this is this is almost like the Asus Prime it's white aesthetic just like the prime it also fails to cover all the .2s just like the prime um but hey it's got a bunch of probably X1 PCI here for like sound cards and 1080p capture cards and stuff like that um but you know no GPU disconnect although it looks like they
• 218:30 - 219:00 have the tab thing so that so that's probably okay and no post code so um I don't think we need to spend too much time on this one this one is probably their this is their more like entry level x870 single chipset um I guess let's see if the block diagram's here I wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't have the block diagram and I don't think it
• 219:00 - 219:30 does yeah so they don't even show the block diagram for the pro that is how confident they are in this product no block diagram okay so uh yeah that's the pro [Music] um I don't know I mean it's it's I I'd be curious to know like how many layers the PCB is but I can tell just by looking at it is definitely more of a um eight layer okay it's eight layer
• 219:30 - 220:00 guys like that's better than a lot of the gigabyte ones that are only six layer so okay eight layer decent board it has a bunch of like PCI looks like X1 let me make sure uh what those slots run at so they have the top one is 16 Gen 5 the second one is an X1 like I thought and it's gen 3 the third one is also an X1 gen 3 so that's exactly what I thought it was and then this Gen 4 is an X4 so they do have
• 220:00 - 220:30 a Gen4 x4 at the bottom which is really nice because it's far away from the GPU and it has the most Lanes so it is the most practical and then it has three m two slots one Gen 5 from the CPU and two gen 4 from the chipset one of them runs at half bandwidth which means that there's some okay so yeah they're doing sharing again so they've got sharing MSI is becoming that one
• 220:30 - 221:00 brand that likes to take an X4 pcie and split it down to X2 for an extra m.2 drive so that's exactly what they did so what they did is the bottom slot takes two lanes to give to the third m.2 so they compromise on that so just know that but it's an eight layer board so it can probably run ddr5 8000 I mean they're advertising here you know like you can
• 221:00 - 221:30 run you can run 48 gigs of RAM at like 88,200 Plus on this on this entry level board so not bad you need to know if I can run a graphics card on x16 on the first PCI slot and 4K capture card on the last yeah you can do that on this MSI Pro now the 4K capture card well okay this Pro is not what I would recommend
• 221:30 - 222:00 for that because as soon as you plug in the third m.2 your Elgato is running at half bandwidth so oh it's got cute him out of the box okay so it looks like okay so here's the thing that's cool about MSI MSI has km right out of the box for all of their x870 boards from day one they already have it built in no bios update necessary it's there so that's that's like the one cool thing
• 222:00 - 222:30 worth talking about for MSI um but yeah other than that they're also the one brand that likes to take four lanes from the chipset and give half of them to an m.2 drive so you can still use the half of the slot for the for whatever you plug into the slot so that is kind of their one thing so the key takeaway is okay well now let's do a break down here of all of these let's kind of do full circle here on this
• 222:30 - 223:00 um so do I want to delete this guess we'll delete this Elgato needs gen 2x4 according to each expects uh there was what was the motherboard guys there was the carbon could do that the carbon can do that right here you're looking at a motherboard that can drive the Elgato and not take Lanes from the
• 223:00 - 223:30 GPU however there's an m.2 that takes Lanes from the GPU hold on where's the Nova where's the Nova what does the Nova have again where's that Nova's block
• 223:30 - 224:00 diagram so how many lanes did it need need four for Gen 2 you have to redraw based on what you learned from the tomahawk uh I don't know if it changed
• 224:00 - 224:30 anything for the go uh actually no you're right you're right right golik may have actually done that it doesn't say it though in the document though hold on where is Tomahawk good Nova's the best but for what you're what oh oh you okay yeah hold on to answer that question the question about the Elgato
• 224:30 - 225:00 you need to look at the gigabyte boards you need to look at the gigabyte boards the gigabyte are the live streamer boards if you're someone who wants to be a live streamer you need a gigabyte board just saying like they're literally they literally tailor made all those boards for live streamers that was the first brand we covered so the first thing we talked about was gigabyte and how they're targeting live streamers you know why because they give you two dedicated x4s I I gave the example at the very
• 225:00 - 225:30 beginning of the stream I said you can plug an a media live gamer 4K up here for a PS5 Pro and you can plug an elg or an Elgato 4K you can plug that in down here and you can plug in an Xbox series X so yeah gigabyte see see guys see guys I know the market I know the market someone's asking about a live streaming setup and what is the motherboard that can do that gigabytes got you covered there so uh there are others though
• 225:30 - 226:00 there were there was like another one I'm trying to remember which one it was it wasn't the taichi the taichi only has like the X8 that takes Lanes uh where is the wasn't there oh oh didn't the tomahawk oh the tomahawk dude the tomahawk can do it the tomahawk although you can't do you can't use this Gen 4 SSD slot if you want the
• 226:00 - 226:30 full four lanes though that's the only problem so see that's what I'm saying guys every brand seems to be targeting a specific use case see I'm telling you gigabyte is targeting live streamers like because these boards are literally the best ones for capture cards you can literally do dual you can put a an a media duo in the bottom and you can put an a media live gamer 4K in the in the second one you can literally run multiple capture cards
• 226:30 - 227:00 in the a media or in the in the a media in the uh gigabyte board and actually I want to give you guys another example let me let me uh pull something over here real quick all right just to give you guys an example so check this out I've got some so so case in point I I'm currently
• 227:00 - 227:30 we're currently streaming on an x670 orus master and I have an a media live gamer 4K physically in my X4 slot on my orus master right now so and that's connected to the PlayStation 5 but that being said I want to point something out so a media has this this is a thunderbolt 3 based capture card this is an external capture
• 227:30 - 228:00 card from a media this is a 4K 60 HDR this is literally a live gamer 4K in an enclosure that has RGB this is what an external Jal 4K capture card looks like it is an it is a live gamer 4K in a enclosure and you can use Thunderbolt 3 with USB 4 so what
• 228:00 - 228:30 that means is it doesn't matter what motherboard you choose all of these motherboards all these x870 and x87 motherboards support external 4K Thunderbolt capture cards because USB 4 is backwards fully backwards compatible with Thunderbolt 3 and Thunderbolt 4 and I can confirm because I've already tested this a media with my Crosshair
• 228:30 - 229:00 hero that it works seamlessly I literally plug it in and it works flawlessly so the backwards compatibility with Thunderbolt base capture cards works like a dream on these new motherboards so that's another thing if you don't have a usb4 you can use something like this this is the a media live gamer 2.1 external I don't like this it is not as good as that live
• 229:00 - 229:30 gamer bolt there's more latency um and it uses 10 GB USBC so it's not nearly as good as a USB 4 capture card which is what this live gamer bolt is so that being said I will be using this with the PlayStation 5 Pro when it comes out uh you'd have to check I don't remember off the top of my head if it does 1440 120 I think the internal ones
• 229:30 - 230:00 probably do but you'd have to check the product Page live gamer bolt a media yeah you want to check it out live gamer bolt but you would have to have a motherboard keep in mind if you're gonna use that capture card you're going to need one of these motherboards because these motherboards have USB 4 so but anyway if the question was about internal capture cards and gigabyte seems to have the best choice because gigabyte literally has like dual X4 pcie
• 230:00 - 230:30 slots so see they all seem to have really good uh use cases it just kind of depends on what you're doing with the computer yeah so orus Master is probably the best Choice then this is an eight layer PCB you can overclock on this it can run the ram consistently at higher speeds etc etc so anyway so to sum them up we at the end here
• 230:30 - 231:00 um oh I forgot about two of them so we got two more we got to talk about this one and this one all right so the valkyrie from biostar uh I don't know much about this it's typically never really sold in North America although sometimes new egg has it microser never really has this but the valkyrie looks interesting because it has three physical x16 slots I would
• 231:00 - 231:30 imagine the second slot is an X8 that shares Lanes with the GPU and then the bottom one is probably an X4 and it looks like it has four m.2 slots like everybody else although the heat sinks for the Gen five look completely inadequate um so let's just see here specification wow this is like a lot of stuff all at once okay so the South
• 231:30 - 232:00 Bridge hold on so one guaranteed [Music] CPU 5.0 x 4 okay that's the nvme spec so you get one Gen 5 SSD one gen 4 [Music] SSD another Gen 4 SSD another Gen 4 SSD and then six SATA
• 232:00 - 232:30 and okay what PCI slots do they have expansion slots 1 x16 the second one is also X6 or X8 okay just like I thought and and then what about the third one chipset X4 okay so this wow the valkyrie is really good this is really good this motherboard is just like ASRock in the sense that this
• 232:30 - 233:00 thing this is basically the Tai Chi with the one addition of an X4 PCI Gen 4 slot at the very bottom whereas a taichi does not have that however I think there's probably some lane sharing going on ah right here okay so wait no that's for the
• 233:00 - 233:30 Apu where's the drives it's a lot like the taichi though it has six SATA just like the taichi and they all support raid just like the taichi so I I just want to know like what why is it so horribly written like they just data dump all the stuff in front of you they actually give you the speeds though gigabit per second 64 gigabit per second I got to count them up this is so
• 233:30 - 234:00 this is so like terribly written like it's just too much text all like it's just so hard to see 1 2 3 they're all chipset so where's the X4 getting its bandwidth this is X4 there's
• 234:00 - 234:30 only there's only four there's only 12 Lanes total they're already giving you all 12 Lanes to m.2 so this is sharing Lanes with one of the M do2s there is no other way for that to work otherwise all right uh where is
• 234:30 - 235:00 the all right let's see if they have the block diagram they're they're not documenting the sharing of Lanes on that bottom pcie with the last nvme drive but it's okay guys it's basically the Tai G the valkyrie is essentially a is it ATX form factor okay this is an ATX form factor whereas the taiichi is an eatx it's the taiichi with an additional X4 that is
• 235:00 - 235:30 sharing Lanes with one of those Gen 4 drives at the bottom so it's somewhat better it's somewhat better because it gives you more options you can choose do you do you want the fourth m.2 or do you want to run a capture card like an Elgato or something so that's without impacting the GPU so yeah let me see do they have the block diagram yeah see so it's got CPU Southbridge Southbridge
• 235:30 - 236:00 Southbridge they got a postcode debug down there they don't have any special okay so so one thing no special quality of life quick disconnect for the GPU so this is still old school where you got to you know you know you got to use I like to use one of these a 3 and 1/2 inch hard drive rail if I have to get my GPU out I got to
• 236:00 - 236:30 like stick this thing down there to press on the tab to get my GPU out so you're going to be stuck functioning in the Dark Ages like it's 2010 trying to get your GPU out on this board so just keep that in mind dual chipset six SATA uh let's see does it actually have a block diagram probably not let me see maybe it's at the very bottom no wow so no block diagram unless it's
• 236:30 - 237:00 actually in the table of contents block diagram no so there's no block diagram that's fine whatever we already know the difference it's basically the azrock taichi with an extra X4 slot that shares oh what's the Nick good question let's see 2.5 gig okay 2.5 gig I think the taichi was five yeah ta Chi was 5 gig so taichi's 5 gig valkyri is
• 237:00 - 237:30 2.5 gig although it is fully loaded it's got all that stuff on the back it has a rare display port on there too which is interesting so you have HDMI display port and display port all on both USB 4 ports so you can literally drive like four to six monitors off of this integrated Graphics um so interesting because you can daisy chain monitors off of display ports you can actually do like two four six you can do
• 237:30 - 238:00 like seven monitors not that anybody's really going to do that off of integrated Graphics but yeah some differences you gain some you lose that's a good way of putting it um you know you still got the Wi-Fi 7 you still have all the same standard stuff that the others have so it's kind of a tossup between this and the the uh taichi I feel like if you're somebody who really wants that X4 slot I mean that's that's cool that it offers
• 238:00 - 238:30 that yes Carlton you're right so if you're somebody who doesn't need the capture card you can literally plug a 10 gig Nick in the very bottom and not impact your GPU so yeah yeah so it's got that expandability so yeah it overall this is actually a solid Choice man like I'm thinking this is like an a tier motherboard actually like it it there's no crazy like steal all the lanes from the GPU for n nvme there's none of that
• 238:30 - 239:00 happening it still has six SATA that's a rarity in this day and age it has the post code I'm thinking this is either going to be b or a I don't know what the price of this is I have to find that out but this is either going to be b or a I I'll probably drop it into B because it doesn't have the button for the GPU I feel like this is probably going to be in that $400 $450 range and it doesn't have the
• 239:00 - 239:30 button I mean really but I understand it because Asus patented that and then everybody else had to go and invent their own patents and biostar being biostar is behind the eight ball on that so you know that's kind of like the thing that I really wish it had I personally I will never buy another motherboard that doesn't have a quick disconnect for the GPU especially because I'm somebody who sticks a giant noctua air cooler on my uh CPU and I use
• 239:30 - 240:00 the offset Mount which drops it down even closer to the GPU so it's near impossible for me to reach the tab so that's like a deal breaker on the valkyrie for me the other thing too that I that sticks out to me the m.2 heat sinks look inadequate for Gen 5 cooling so I know that it only supports one Gen 5 but I assuming the Gen 5 goes here the thing
• 240:00 - 240:30 about it is it's it's stuck underneath the graphics card so it's going to run really hot it's going to run real hot that Gen 5 SSD on this Valkyrie is going to be thermal modeling while gaming especially if you install a game like Final Fantasy 16 or fores spoken which use direct storage and you install it on the Gen 5 drive you are going to Thermal throttle that Gen 5 drive with this
• 240:30 - 241:00 Valkyrie motherboard so yeah probably B tier I would say it's pretty flexible but there are some caveats in terms of like actually using it as a daily driver I would assume all right and then the very last one the NZXT N9 x870 yes NZXT has a motherboard this is actually a very clean looking motherboard if you're doing a white
• 241:00 - 241:30 build this is probably the best looking motherboard for a white build like this looks sleek the GPU would just go there it has a reinforced GPU slot it has that thing over that covers up a lot of the uh random connectors there so it doesn't look so messy it looks like you could possibly use some of that as a cable guide for like your fan wires for the case fans so NZXT this looks pretty
• 241:30 - 242:00 good um it's got a post code up there power and reset button looks like it's got fora it's got a bottom slot that's far away from the GPU so you don't have to worry about a thick boy GPU covering up that slot it has a decently loaded IO you got 2 4 6 8 10 USB type A the standard USB 4
• 242:00 - 242:30 I can't tell what that Nick is from this image five it looks like five yeah that looks like 5 gig and optical audio and a clear seos a lot of them still leave out the clear seos but yeah that actually doesn't look that bad thick heat sink the Gen 5 one goes there uh now I'm curious to know like okay see look there
• 242:30 - 243:00 it is with a 4090 so you can see the 490 there's a really good amount of room between the bottom of the 4090 and where the why okay there we go yeah see there's plenty of space for like a capture card or something going down there assuming that's an X4 slot so that is a clean looking motherboard uh let's
• 243:00 - 243:30 see I just want to know what is the slot at the bottom like what's the speed on that is that an X4 I assume it's X4 oh it's PCI 3.0 two lanes that's weird see so that's the thing so you can't actually so the problem with this you cannot use the Elgato capture card or the live gamer 4K in the bottom slot because it's only two
• 243:30 - 244:00 lanes uh of of gen 3 so what you could put down there you know what's perfect the the best thing that I can think of that can go in a gen 3 X2 slot 10 gbit Network Cards 10 GB network cards provided their gen 3 network cards only need two gen 3 Lanes to achieve full 10 gig speed so a 10 gbit land could be
• 244:00 - 244:30 added down here that would be like the best thing I could think of maybe a sound card but it has optical audio on the back and a lot of USB decks are really good so I feel like 10 gbit landan is like the one thing that I would probably add if this was my motherboard I'd put a 10 GB land down there um and then if I needed a capture card this is what I would use external Thunderbolt SL usb4 4K 60 capture card this is what I would use I'd plug it into the back and I'm good to go with
• 244:30 - 245:00 the PS5 Pro so um not a big deal with these newer motherboards anyway that's a decent one uh I would assume it's three gen 4 and one Gen 5 m.2 it's not about the internet it's about your home network like you can still run like 10 gig between your computers you know what I'm saying it's not about internet speed I'm not talking about internet I'm talking about home land 10 gig land for the
• 245:00 - 245:30 house anyway um like especially if you're a content creator and you have a Nas or you have like um well you wouldn't run a 10 gig router it would not be a router it would be a 10 gig switch which they can be expensive but you can get decent ones now you can get like a five port eight Port 10 gig switch yeah we're talking about a switch though not a router guys yeah 10 gig
• 245:30 - 246:00 routers are expensive I'm talking talk about 10 gig switch yeah anyway so this one is actually PR pretty good I mean this this one and the valkyrie are pretty decent like the NZXT is I think the valkyrie if I had to choose one uh actually hold on oh this one doesn't have okay so both of them don't have a quick disconnect for the GPU but they have the post code so
• 246:00 - 246:30 they're both going to fall in like B tier probably if I had to guess I think that's fair it's a nice looking board though anyway so that's that's NZXT uh that basically covers all of them yeah took 4 hours to cover every single motherboard from the x870 launch um so I guess what's the conclusion the conclusion is here let me clean this up real quick uh let me bring this
• 246:30 - 247:00 in um okay so the conclusion how we conclude this MSI so what will we say about MSI pros and cons of MSI Pros are uh I would say one good mid-tier offerings I'm talking about the tomahawk
• 247:00 - 247:30 that's a good board this time around the tomahawk is an excellent board so it's got good mid tier offerings so that that actually will appeal to a lot of people because a lot of people don't want to spend more than like $300 on a motherboard in fact a lot of people still don't want to spend more than $200 on a motherboard but anyway so it's got good mid- tier offerings uh modern UEFI or I guess modern UI for the
• 247:30 - 248:00 BIOS I mean they redid their entire UI you guys need to really see what it looks like it's really well organized so that's really good uh we didn't really talk about that in what we were showing because we were talking really about the layout of the board um CU dim CU dim support at launch so that's like the one thing that's another thing that they have that no one else has so the
• 248:00 - 248:30 negatives what are the negatives I feel like the entry level entry level uh is under performing because I feel like azrock and gigabyte are offering slightly better options uh wait why am I saying it like this this is the
• 248:30 - 249:00 cons we'll do like three for each to make it simple otherwise this will be way too long no ECC oh yeah yeah yeah definitely good good call out good call out no ECC no ECC support yeah that is that is a deal breaker for a lot of the like power users that's what I said mid tier is underperforming no heat sinks and stuff like that you know like really dumb
• 249:00 - 249:30 things like that um they could put post codes if they wanted and they didn't so they're really just kind of I don't know okay so we'll just leave it at that for now so that's MSI let's do uh let's do ASRock I guess or let's do yeah let's do azrock ASRock Pros best value best value definitely best value like nobody is even close man like it no
• 249:30 - 250:00 one's close like azrock is best value um what else can we say about them though besides best value uh no GPU lane sharing with nvme this is a huge one for a lot of people and not only do they offer the best value not only do they have the best motherboard they also have no GPU
• 250:00 - 250:30 lane sharing that is huge so if you're someone who really doesn't want like GPU if you really don't like the idea of your GPU running at X8 ack's the one to go to like that's it that's the one um okay and then I guess Nova the Nova okay
• 250:30 - 251:00 uh um cons what what will be the cons of ASRock like what will be the negatives I guess what I can think one of the things I can think of is mid-tier mid-tier lacks um well see what's weird what's really weird is the Nova is priced like a mid-tier but it's but it's so
• 251:00 - 251:30 good so I can't I can't really say that I'm thinking of this when I'm when I'm typing this I'm thinking of the steel Legend uh and the other one I forget the RS the RS the RS Pro no dedic oh good call out yeah no no dedicated pciex4 yeah that's a good one that's a good one to point out ASRock does support
• 251:30 - 252:00 ECC yes um oh do we want to put ECC as like a pro I guess Nova is like in the value one so I guess we'll do uh ECC support we'll do that and then this one will be like best value IE Nova there no dedicated PCI 4 um aren't all of them 2.5 on x87 I guess
• 252:00 - 252:30 there's probably some of them that are five EA eatx is eatx considered a good thing or a bad thing I personally think it's a good thing but not everybody would agree because of compatibility oh MSI has 5 gig on the pro no easy release for GPU on the light that's what I'm saying like Okay entry well but see like entry level for MSI
• 252:30 - 253:00 also I I don't know if we can say that for entry level though guys Tomahawk does have the quick disconnect Tomahawk has the button 2.5 five on the carbon that's good that's not bad Tomahawk has 5G oh ASRock doesn't have oh that's what you're trying to say okay uh mid tier only F 2.5 no that's not true cuz Nova has 5 gig and that's kind
• 253:00 - 253:30 of like a mid-tier board which is really weird because it seems like it's way high in for what a mid-tier price point is oh no dual Nick there you go no dual Nick okay yeah no see as soon as I try to type something about the mid- tier I immediately think of the Nova and then it's like it cancels it out because I keep thinking of the steel Legend and then all of a sudden I
• 253:30 - 254:00 realized oh wait the Nova's like $50 more and his like everything it's so weird so it's like I don't know how to even place that as a con yeah so okay so that's that's azrock then all right now we have Asus and gigabyte so let's do Asus over here ASUS ASUS what are the good things about
• 254:00 - 254:30 Asus guys this is going to be hard this is probably the hardest part of the whole thing what are the pros of Asus the Nova is this generation unicorn board uh yeah that that's why it's up here it's right there we covered that yeah man the Nova is oh man that is value Gore all right what what are we going to say about Asus that's good we have to say some good things about Asus what are the pros of
• 254:30 - 255:00 Asus crickets come on there's got to be something good about ASUS ASUS is good at RG B isn't that subjective though that's subjective though the oh uh so how do we want to say that like entry not entry level tough is considered mid
• 255:00 - 255:30 tier mid tier mid tier is decent like this no tough is not decent guys tough is stupid tough has eight layers but it's but it's dumb it like it the bottom slot doesn't have the tough is stupid because it doesn't have a post code and it doesn't have an m.2 heat sink on the bottom drive like okay it has okay the tough
• 255:30 - 256:00 has eight layers congratulations it has eight layers okay but like the vast majority of people don't even overclock and especially at that price point like what you know what I'm saying like I I don't I don't agree I don't agree that the mid tier is decent I think there's way better options Tomahawk is a way better choice well okay I do have the hero but the thing is you have to look at things objectively you cannot just say subjective things like I can't say oh
• 256:00 - 256:30 the hero is the most beautiful motherboard on the planet you know like that's a pro I don't think that's a pro because like that's not a that's not a functional thing thing like it's not there's no there's no actual use case benefit from that you know unless you're unless you're going to like a trade show like if you're going to go to computex and you're going to show off your PC no one actually does that you know what I'm saying
• 256:30 - 257:00 so ECC support um if we're if we're looking at the highend I guess uh overclocker okay what what I'll say is overclockers community um feature like what I'm trying to say is it has good overclocker support I guess what I'll say is yeah I'll just put that good OC support so it has good
• 257:00 - 257:30 overclocking support what do I mean by that I mean if you buy the hero you guarantee yourself asynchronous eclock overclocking capability now probably half the viewers have no idea what that means but it has something like that guaranteed there's a legacy there so it has good overclocker support I mean there's a reason why a lot of the world over the world leading overclock World Records the world records most of the time if you look
• 257:30 - 258:00 them up they're almost always on Asus motherboards eight times out of 10 it's an Asus motherboard so that has to mean something if you're an overclocker hero offers 88 for dual GPU which apparently is rare it's it's actually not that rare we looked at a bunch I mean it is kind of rare but it was kind of rare last gen also I mean the taiichi has 88 the
• 258:00 - 258:30 valkyrie has 88 I mean there's a lot of boards actually the the the uh carbon has 88 I mean there's a lot you know the Godlike has 88 so it's not like it's not like there's no boards that have that but yeah I would say that's kind of like a thing that a lot of them do but then there's like tradeoffs of they also like to stick a bunch of uh stuff in there where it's like oh now your GPU runs at X8 if you put the second m.2 in
• 258:30 - 259:00 there you know what I'm saying so there stuff like that uh good OC support I would say definitely good OC support I'll tell you guys I'll be honest I have had a lot of fun this week overclocking my 950x with the Crosshair hero so as a hobbyist kind of like a semi casual overclocker I don't do like ln2 or anything like that but um it is fun it is fun and I'll tell you this Zen 5 is
• 259:00 - 259:30 so much more fun to overclock than Zen 4 because it has way more margin in terms of power limit you can get like 40 I'm doing 44,000 in I'm doing more than 44,000 on cinebench R23 with the stock 200 watt power limit like I haven't even raised the power limit on the hero and my 950x is scoring over 44,000 I'll be doing followup videos this weekend we'll be streaming
• 259:30 - 260:00 I'll be doing like overclocking stuff so uh it is so much fun to overclock with the herob board there's a reason why if you look into the overclocking Community a lot of people use the Asus hero or the Asus gene or the Apex there's a reason why people do that oh and I'm doing this on air by the way yes and I'm scoring over 900 in single thread on CPU Z like that is something that you do not see on an AMD CPU
• 260:00 - 260:30 so I mean it is like if you're someone who likes overclocking or if you want to get into that hobby I mean Asus has a lot of good stuff there Crosshair has the Nitro paath D Ram tech for the memory oh uh yeah but that's like that's only on the super expensive boards though but I guess um only two of their motherboards have that only the stricks e- E and the hero
• 260:30 - 261:00 have that do we want to mention that see the the reason why I hesitate to to put nitr paath as a thing is because I don't know how much of a tangal benefit that actually is yet until I start pushing above 8,000 on overclocking I don't actually know if there's a benefit yet so um yeah 8,000 Works slim SAS you feel is intended for
• 261:00 - 261:30 those companies that run servers off the am5 platform yeah but they wouldn't be buying an overclocking motherboard if they're going to run a server you know what I'm saying they'd be buying like a super micro or like a workstation server board that has an am5 socket it would be a different product like they would Asus would sell them a completely different motherboard for that they wouldn't be they wouldn't be spending $700 on a hero so they can run that server no no no it' be a completely different board hero is an ATX
• 261:30 - 262:00 motherboard versus the ATX so it fits in more cases oh uh I guess but see sometimes people like eatx though eatx does have benefits e TX can provide more surface area for m.2 heat sinks you can do wider heat sinks you can space the m.2 drives out further apart so your heat uh is your heat concentration is more spread out over eatx versus ATX so there are pros and
• 262:00 - 262:30 cons of eatx and versus ATX but yeah yeah you're correct though like in general ATX there is more case compatibility uh but I don't know if that is a real Pro though maybe I guess but uh I guess what I'll say is largest lineup or I guess
• 262:30 - 263:00 most most motherboard options I guess like there's the most to choose from I guess like like Asus has the widest spread the widest range in terms of they got they they could go all the way down to entry level and they go all the way up to the overclocker flagship so they can do that um and and someone might say well what about MSI cuz they have the Godlike well no because Asus still has way more options within that gradient of mid tier
• 263:00 - 263:30 and entry level MSI has way less like MSI has the pro which is not that great it has a tomahawk which is great and then it has what the carbon and the Godlike I mean that's they're pretty spread out you know what I'm saying so Asus has a lot more choices in between like even within the $500 range Asus has like the pro art the stxs e- E and then they have like a $450 stricks so they've got like a bunch of O almost overlapping
• 263:30 - 264:00 choices with slightly different use case optimizations so I would say that that that motherboard option the variety does have its benefits I'll say yeah but they're not the only one that does that the MSI carbon has the exact same feature and it's $200 less so okay cons what are we going to say
• 264:00 - 264:30 that's bad I guess um Asus tax we'll say the Asus tax you know people say the Asus tax like it there their C like their motherboards are slightly overpriced in general versus the competition so it's like you could save money literally by buying a different brand of
• 264:30 - 265:00 motherboard and then bad R policy well uh I don't really want to go there because supposedly they fixed the RMA policy and we're really just evaluating the products from a pre sales standpoint not a post sales standpoint they reject Armes for motherboards and yeah but I thought that they fixed that though we'll get into which motherboard I would choose at the end here but I
• 265:00 - 265:30 think you guys already know what I'm going to say there um I guess there's the Asus tax and I I guess their entry level is not as competitive their entry level is not as competitive as the others and that I mean that kind of goes hand inand with the Asus tax but not really what I mean
• 265:30 - 266:00 by that is they've got they've got stupid things like for example the prime the prime literally has a completely inadequate heat sink for the Gen 5 drive and then it has like two m.2 slots that have no heat sinks at all like they that's what I mean by the entry level is not good because the tomahawk uh the ASRock steel Legend the RS from azra all those boards they have the covers so like Asus is doing kind of
• 266:00 - 266:30 dumb cost cutting things for no reason while at the same time charging for the Asus tax so that's kind of a yeah no all right and then finally gigabyte gigabyte Pros lots of pcie X4 slots like lots like pretty much all of the gigabyte
• 266:30 - 267:00 boards give you dual X4 so and there there are benefits to having something like that like literally the comment of asking me about the Elgato for 4K capture card like that is a use case that gigabyte is kind of a go-to in terms of like if you want to be if you want to be a live streamer if you if you have aspirations to be a live streamer especially a variety streamer that can stream console games or maybe dual PC or whatever gigabyte is probably
• 267:00 - 267:30 the best choice because they have a lot of X4 PCI slots uh I'll use myself as an example I am currently stream streaming on a PC with a gigabyte x670 orus Master with a 7950 x3d this is my live stream computer and it's probably going to remain my live stream computer I don't think I'm going to change this out for the Crosshair hero I think I'm going to keep things
• 267:30 - 268:00 the way they are because the setup it's perfect the lane allocation there's no the GPU still running at x16 you know like all that stuff so um there's a reason why I'm using the gigabyte orus master and I just so happen to also be live streaming hm I think that says a lot about gigabytes boards being targeted for a specific um use case but yeah lots PCI X4 so um I guess what what else
• 268:00 - 268:30 the I know what I'm going to say for the cons for the x870 I think a couple people in the chat probably know exactly what I'm going to say but what can what else can we say about them that are good well 500 is the top end though like at least they're not doing well at least not yet at least they're not charging like 700 1,000 whatever like they're not charging like those type of prices because Asus and MSI do charge those
• 268:30 - 269:00 type of prices so I guess um I guess they have a very consistent lineup I guess I don't know what how else to phrase that what do I mean by that is like if you if you start from the top like the master and you work your way down you're not really like it's very predictable you know what I mean so I guess uh consistent lineup they have a
• 269:00 - 269:30 very consistent lineup like you can look at the most expensive you can look at a master then you can go look at the elite you can look at a pro all of them have the same like okay let's just show this so people understand what I'm saying like you can look at any gigabyte board and I'm talking about the orus boards but you look at this so see the orus master standard top slot and then notice how they they nicely place the
• 269:30 - 270:00 second and third PCI right next to each other so you can still run a giant GPU in here and you can still use these for capture cards you step down to the Elite same thing same exact placement same exact place for the button same exact place for the debug code it's very familiar the look and feel going from one gigabyte motherboard to another gigabyte board it's very very consistent
• 270:00 - 270:30 so you're right at home if you're someone who keeps using gigabyte every upgrade cycle you know it's a very consistent experience overall so even on the different color schemes still exactly the same so it goes up and down the stack and it's pretty much the same look and feel the only difference is you're getting better vrms as you go up you're getting more layers on the PCB as you go up uh and then you're getting more um things like the clear sea moss and
• 270:30 - 271:00 things like that actually I don't now now I'm wondering okay see like this one doesn't have the clear SE Moss so you do get some differences as you go up the the tier placement all right and then number three they all seem to have higher vrm than competition good Port count you mean on the io yeah they do
• 271:00 - 271:30 they do they do have a good but I would say they're kind of like gigabyte was very good last gen with the port count but now they have competition from from MSI and ASRock because MSI and ASRock are basically the same as gigabyte now especially at the highend in fact MSI starts exceeding gigabyte in certain areas like USBC once you go further up the stack once you exceed that once you hit the $500 price point and go beyond that then
• 271:30 - 272:00 MSI overtakes gigabyte oh you know what we should have put that for MSI MSI oh yeah MSI and gigabyte both have tool list MSI has that too though Tool toolless uh heat sinks but MSI has that too though but okay we'll just give gigabyte that gigabytes actually
• 272:00 - 272:30 so I've seen the video for the MSI ones man the MSI ones are really slick though like I feel like in terms of quality gigabyte still uses those plastic tabs that could break although it's still fully tooless MSI just uses like a metal like a metal nub so it's I don't know I think MSI is actually is better but I do think gigabyte has better heat sinks than MSI so we'll give this to uh gigabyte like if you go look at msi's Gen 5 heat sink
• 272:30 - 273:00 like especially on the carbon go look at the carbon's heat sink it looks almost borderline inadequate for a Gen 5 SSD you go look at gigabytes one and it is a a thick boy SSD that thing I can tell you guys cuz I am running a t700 on my Gigabyte orus Master under that really thick heat sink that thing keeps it cold so yeah gigabytes got quality heat sinks at least on their upper range boards I don't know about
• 273:00 - 273:30 the I don't think it's the same with the lower end but I mean it's definitely the upper end all right then the cons uh too many six layer PCB at the mid tier it's okay for this to be at the entry level but this is not good in the mid- tier so they got way too many 300 they got motherboards like the elite and the pro down there in the 200 gig range and they're only six or
• 273:30 - 274:00 $300 range and they're six layer whereas the competition is bringing eight layer second PCI slot is X4 that's not necessarily a con I said lots of X4 and there's a reason for that because those aren't stealing Lanes from the graphics card so yeah I understand like with the hero and with the carbon you're getting uh like X8 or the Godlike you're getting X8 on the second slot but remember that that
• 274:00 - 274:30 shares LS with the GPU so not everybody likes that whereas gigabyte the second and third slot they're both X4 slots and they're not taking Lanes from the graphics card now that doesn't mean they're not taking Lanes from the graphics card because gigabyte likes to take Lanes from the graphics card for and m.2 so maybe but see I don't want to say that that's a con for them because not only does gigabyte do this Asus does
• 274:30 - 275:00 this and MSI does this so you can't single somebody out when the others are doing that too what you can do is call out the one that doesn't do that and that's ASR that's why azrock has number two no GPU lane sharing with nvme as a pro so perhaps two no no that won't that won't happen that won't happen there's no
• 275:00 - 275:30 standardizing there's no standardization on the slot spacing so that's impossible the 59 will be a standard x16 okay uh no official ECC gigabyte on paper um okay I guess well I I don't know because I think I think they do have ECC support but I think it can be hit or miss sometimes in terms of like some
• 275:30 - 276:00 motherboards might have it some don't and then sometimes they say they do but they don't do the error correcting so stuff like that I know Asus does that Asus does that like they don't actually actually uh Asus we should not have said EC support for Asus because Asus doesn't actually have full AC ECC support at least not on all of them
• 276:00 - 276:30 um uh no we would probably be the NZXT board if you're looking for a white board so I don't know okay I guess too many PCI six layer what else is the bad thing about gigabyte gigabyte actually oh yes yes yes yes some PCI Lanes aren't used there that's that's not
• 276:30 - 277:00 good we talked about this earlier that's definitely a con that's definitely a that is it okay so that that's it this is a wrap so there you go these are the PR and cons of all the boards actually the Asus ECC support is is hit or miss right now so but that could change so we're we're I was I kind of think we the EC on Asus needs to be something different because it's not consistent but um I don't know what else to put there so we'll just leave it at
• 277:00 - 277:30 that how to 2 96 at 64 on the hero so what I can tell you is that I personally cannot get oh well okay here's the thing here's the thing that I'll tell you about n the 6,400 I unfortunately do not have a CPU that can do 6400 one one my none of my Zen 4 CPUs could do it
• 277:30 - 278:00 and unfortunately my 950x cannot do it either so I won't I probably won't do much much content on 6400 because I mean unless unless it's going to be Gear 2 unless it's going to be one two ratio at 6400 which is really not worth doing uh I don't see the point of it what I will probably show so what I can show you guys is four sticks of
• 278:00 - 278:30 ddr5 on x870 hero running at 6,000 that's what I'm running right now cuz you know how everyone's like oh you can't do four sticks of ddr5 yes you can you can now you definitely I don't know if it's Nitro paath working its magic on Asus I can tell you guys I am running 100% Rock stable four sticks of ddr5 for a total of 96 gabyt at
• 278:30 - 279:00 6,11 ratio with tuned timings all the way down so uh it's good and I'm running an overclock and and I'm running a synchronous overclock with curb shaper it's awesome so stay tuned for some overclocking discussions actually we were supposed to do overclocking discussions but the stream is way too long so uh we may have to do that tomorrow but yeah what what you can expect to see
• 279:00 - 279:30 four sticks at 6,000 and you can also see two sticks 8,000 I will be showcasing two sticks two times 40 or two time 24 so 48 gigs at 8,000 and I'll probably try to push it beyond that but my memory is not really rated to go beyond 8,000 so I don't know if it'll work because of my memory not because of the motherboard but because of the memory but I will show two sticks at
• 279:30 - 280:00 8,000 I've already done this before on multiple streams in fact on the older motherboards I got it working so then we will also show four sticks four sticks of ddr5 at 6,000 that I think is far more impressive than two sticks at 8,000 because let me tell you trying to get four sticks stable at 6,000 on ddr5 is way more challenging than trying to get two sticks running
• 280:00 - 280:30 8,000 so anyway so we'll leave it at that so that's going to be a wrap that is the thing let me see what else did what was I supposed to cover if anything um oh CU dim we talked about CU dim support um I just talked about the ram stuff so there's going to be more videos on ddr5 I'm also going to do an overclocking guide for those who have a Crosshair hero motherboard we're going to show how to increase the single
• 280:30 - 281:00 thread performance of Zen 5 because when you raise the single thread performance on Zen 5 that increases the gaming performance on Zen 5 and this is without x3d so I can't wait until x3d because if I can do this exact same overclock because I keep in mind guys I'm doing this with no power limit increase with no outside of curve shaper
• 281:00 - 281:30 so I guess this will be the final uh thing I I guess this will be like a preview for those who stuck around cuz I did say this at the beginning of the stream for those that stick around we will talk about overclock so I can tell you right now I'm running on an x870 hero um I'm running a 950x at 5.9 GHz overclocked with um E2 equal to3 uh megahertz on the so I'm doing B clock
• 281:30 - 282:00 overclocking I've got a custom curve shaper this is the secret sauce this is the thing that makes it these two things these two features make it happen and anyone who buys a 9,000 Series ryzen has access to curve shaper but you do not necessarily have access to this this is something that the hero has and this is
• 282:00 - 282:30 why when I say good OC support is a pro of Asus this is exactly what I'm talking about because this is the secret Tech teique that can raise the single thread performance on Zen 5 so curve shaper custom curve shaper which we will talk about later as well as PBO scaler off what is it override or
• 282:30 - 283:00 something scalar 10x with plus 200 megahertz off positive offset so these are basically the settings of what I'm doing and we're running and and get this guys we're running this with four sticks of ddr5 running at 6,011 tuned not tuned to the max at least not yet because I I wanted to see what I what happens when I overclock it so it yeah this is this is sick this is sick we're doing over 900 in CPU Z
• 283:00 - 283:30 single thread we're doing over 44,000 in cinebench R23 um and and the single thread is around around 2300 in cinebench R23 on the single thread score so Way Beyond what you'll see on a 7950 X um and and even Way Beyond what you'll find on a 13900 K assuming you um are well the thing
• 283:30 - 284:00 with the 1300k I need to go back and test that again with all the BIOS updates but the problem with the 1300k we all know about the well I don't know we all know we all if you guys have been paying attention to Intel because I guess we should talk about Intel a little bit here as we get closer to the end of the stream we are at the end of The Stream So the 1300k has undergone a lot of BIOS updates in the last three months especially recently there's another bios update which I don't even know if it's out yet I need to double check if my motherboard for the 1300k if
• 284:00 - 284:30 it has the BIOS update so yeah mine unfortunately gigabyte does not have the BIOS update yet for the 13 on HK so one of the things that surprised me was with all the BIOS fixes to Intel Now intel is going to be able to Showcase a better performance Delta between 14th gen and their upcoming
• 284:30 - 285:00 aerol Lake CPU because they've kind of nerfed the Raptor Lake CPUs a little not terribly but they especially in multi-thread they have they have nerfed the Raptor Lake because of the whole voltage degradation issue so to mitigate that they've capped it so it's limited more on the voltage and hence that means the power is going to be a little bit more uh capped on what it can do and that's going to negatively impact the
• 285:00 - 285:30 performance compared to what you saw at the launch of raptor lake so uh what that means is that'll make the new Intel CPUs look better when they're compared to the 14th gen uh whereas if 14th gen never had this problem I think the Delta between the new Intel CPUs and the 14th gen will be smaller if that makes sense so it's kind of a thing where Intel Intel's like what is it snatching what's the saying
• 285:30 - 286:00 they're snatching Victory from the jaws of defeat because everyone was hating on them for the whole 14900 K voltage Fiasco and now they kind of fixed that but now there's performance regressions on Raptor Lake especially in multi-ad because of these bios updates so that means that the 14th or the uh well it's not 15th gen but the new Intel the aake CPUs will look better against the fixed
• 286:00 - 286:30 14th gen CPUs so how Zen 5 will fall into that it'll be very interesting to see how that play plays out but all I can tell you guys is man Zen 5 is so much more fun to overclock than Zen 4 the problem with Zen 4 it would go it would shoot to 95 degrees like within a couple of seconds at full load like on r on R23 for example 9f for the X doesn't
• 286:30 - 287:00 do that um I'll show it I'll show you the video like when I'm done editing that but yeah man ryzen 9000 if ryzen 9000 launched this week with all these bios updates with all these Windows updates in the condition that it has with the new motherboards it would have been a lot better received let's put it that way but yeah this this is a pretty decent product overall especially now so uh
• 287:00 - 287:30 yeah we'll be covering x3d when it comes out uh we will also be revisiting Intel at at some point here in the near future um so which motherboard would you choose okay so Edgar to answer your question to answer your question which motherboard would I choose do you guys know what I'm going to say you guys can answer for me but here's what I'll say this is the motherboard that I would choose x870 Nova like if you're if
• 287:30 - 288:00 you're looking for the best overall motherboard Nova hands down hands down $350 gets you everything that you would need from a practicality standpoint 350 bucks everything GPU disconnect postcode debug five m.2 drives five m.2 drives and and remember you can populate all five m.2 and still
• 288:00 - 288:30 have full 16 Lanes full 16 Lanes with five drives wind up go thanks for the sub you got the Nova at number one Tomahawk at number two for my use Cas yeah Tomahawk is pretty good too but man Nova is just killing everything else how much did you pay for the
• 288:30 - 289:00 tomahawk like check the I I don't know what the what is the price of the tomahawk guys is it $300 two okay so 300 bucks okay so so for $50 more you can get um okay here's the thing this is the thing I'm going to sound like I'm upselling you but for real like X you're getting x870 so you're getting the full Flagship
• 289:00 - 289:30 chipset you're getting the Dual chip set motherboard for $50 more you're getting the ability to run five get this five M do2s with no impact to the GPU no impact to the GPU and it has a back plate and it has a back plate dude like I have a feeling this is going to be like a limited thing that Ace that ack only sells for like
• 289:30 - 290:00 two three months like one quarter and then it's like that's it cuz I don't understand like somebody messed up on the pricing this should be like a 5 $100 board like this legit should be a $500 motherboard like this is the real Flagship of all the flagships and it isn't even carrying a flagship price tag eight layer PCB full back plate on the back postcode debug quick disconnect
• 290:00 - 290:30 five m. tws and none of those m.2 steel Lanes from the GPU you cannot argue against that that is too much much value too much value in this day and age is near impossible to see 5 gig landan optical audio a ton of USB type a clear seamos on the back I mean come on now clear Seas on the back on a $350
• 290:30 - 291:00 board in 2024 $20 rebate okay well I'm I'm I'm going to sound I'm sounding too much like a salesperson but for real like look at this though that has an adequate heat sink that has a a really nice heat sink and it has five drives there's four drives underneath the major heat sink so if we go back here overview like yeah see there's three there one there man ASRock send me a review
• 291:00 - 291:30 sample this I will sell this motherboard like I will literally tell people to buy this mother this motherboard is just too good it's just too good server grade 10 layer or not 10 layer server grade eight layer eight layer all this stuff 350 bucks that's crazy this is like 20 this is like 10 year this is pricing from like 10 years ago man like this motherboard was like Frozen in Time Time shifted to the current ERA and
• 291:30 - 292:00 it's like they forgot about inflation it's like what happened here somebody somebody in the accounting some bean counter or somewhere as are completely messed up like they messed up on the pricing on this you cannot beat this like this is in a class of its own with the yeah I know right I mean I look I can run two of these I could literally run two of these off of this
• 292:00 - 292:30 board there's two USB 4 ports too good man to to good 20 phase vrm 20 phase vrm at $350 20 Phase vrm 10 layer PCB at $350 with the GPU button the GPU button eight layers it's right here on
• 292:30 - 293:00 the it's literally on the site but for some reason when I zoom in it doesn't do anything eight layer PCB it's literally right here right there top right insane value insane value but yeah this is the one this is the one that fits pretty much any use case you can think of and the price point is just too good man it's it's the whole package it's the
• 293:00 - 293:30 features that it includes at that price point this kills the the value that any of the other brands are trying to offer in fact I'll go so far as to say that this motherboard will cannibalize asrock's sales of their other motherboards like I can't see anybody buying a pro RS or a steel Legend unless they were going for like a white build but even then like it is impossible to
• 293:30 - 294:00 deny the amount of value that the Nova is offering does it have two power faces for memory controller of any significance like on the hero uh so it is a where was it it was on here somewhere 20 it's a 20 plus 2 plus 1 I think right or 20+ 1 plus 1 where is the vrm I saw it earlier eight layer 2 O
• 294:00 - 294:30 copper wait is it tlist design also though it's got the graphics card easy release tooless design okay even the underside the underside also has the thermal pads it's got thermal pads on both sides for the ssds yeah this is I don't know where the
• 294:30 - 295:00 phases I saw it 20 + 1 plus something I think 20 plus 2 plus 1 I think uh the but yeah man like this is it this is the best one like this is the best one this is the best one you can't like there's no way there's no way to say that there's a better one what's the con for the Nova uh no no X8 slot however not everybody wants the X8 because as soon as you use the X8 you
• 295:00 - 295:30 drop your graphics card to X8 so that's kind of like a double-edged sword that it doesn't have um I would be very very surprised I guess another con I would be very surprised if this motherboard has a uh asynchronous e- clock yeah I'm I'm I let's put it this way if this if this board has dual e- clocks for asynchronous
• 295:30 - 296:00 overclocking then that basically breaks all the rules like if this has that the one thing that the hero has is that asynchronous e-lock and then of course the gimmicky slim sass which people are going to be confused like how are they going to actually use that you know so those are like the two things the two standout things that the hero has because this thing has got it beat on USB ports on the back the hero only has six USB type A ports on the back
• 296:00 - 296:30 which is laughable and frankly really dumb on asus's part because they could have easily put like eight on there on a flagship board so that's almost that's borderline uh unacceptable but especially at that price point but the I would assume the Nova does not have the Dual uh e- clocks I think it only has one I would assume it only has one all of them have bios flash all of
• 296:30 - 297:00 them have bios flashback that isn't even like a thing like all of them have it it's it's mandatory on every AMD motherboard since last gen okay so uh the dual clock thing is the secret the dual clock thing is the secret technique this thing that I mentioned earlier in my overclock this thing I'll do a video about it in the
• 297:00 - 297:30 near future but I do not think the Nova has that if the Nova has this it breaks all the rules and all the logic of how you price your product there's no way there's no way the Nova has this this is the one thing that Asus is holding on to that the hero holds on to you cannot have the e-lock too like that's too much that's like that's not even I mean that's not even fair anymore like if that has that man like okay let's put it this way let's put it this
• 297:30 - 298:00 way if the Nova has the e-lock 2 I'm going to return my Crosshair hero I'm going to take it back to Micro Center I'm going to return it and I'm going to get the Nova if the Nova does in fact have the Dual e- clocks but I am fairly confident that it does not have that this motherboard is already out it's already on the market you can get it off of new EG today it's available now I I
• 298:00 - 298:30 don't know where you are in the world but new EG already has it I don't know which other motherboard have it that feature is an extremely rare feature it is a secret sauce feature it is a secret technique of overclockers to achieve better single thread and to a lesser extent multi-thread performance on
• 298:30 - 299:00 ryzen yeah this is but still overall for the for the 95% of people who do not overclock this is the best motherboard hands down you cannot deny the value it is too much value at this price point I am not a I'm not an expert on sound cards unfortunately so I would not be able to answer the question I don't
• 299:00 - 299:30 have enough experience with that subject you're convinced you're going to go for the not and the I media live gamer bolt then yeah man the live the live gamer bolt is awesome I'm actually thinking of getting a second one so I don't have to keep swapping between like console and computers so but yeah this this is good I can tell you guys a media this is not not a plug for a media but a media is so
• 299:30 - 300:00 much better than Elgato so much better than Elgato when it comes to the actual capture cards it is like elgato's capture cards feel like I'm back in 2016 a media's capture cards better lower latency and there's no weird like sound syncing problems and stuff like I don't know i' I've had problems with Elgato in
• 300:00 - 300:30 the past that I have one Elgato capture card I have a hd60s and I was never a big fan of it I I think I also tried I think I also tried an Elgato Pro Mark I or Elgato 4K Mark I or something that thing sometimes you turn it on you turn on the PS5 and black screen no video you got to like switch it over and it's like uh
• 300:30 - 301:00 yeah no this thing I don't even need to Output to my monitor I literally just run it off of the computer screen like within the rec Central software or within OBS perfectly low latency it's awesome 4K 60 smooth it's so good so yeah live gamer bolt this is a perfect choice for USB 4 for a motherboard like this uh Nova up here um or any of the x870
• 301:00 - 301:30 motherboards to be honest um perfect perfect setup for external capture card Best in Class but it is expensive it's not super expensive like a mage well but it is a very nice capture card and it's external uh it's good the a media suffer is good definitely better than Elgato I'll give you that now where I think Elgato does good they I I don't have the stream deck but the stream deck is pretty solid the light systems that they
• 301:30 - 302:00 have are pretty good the green screen that I'm using you guys may notice that there's a green screen behind me the green screen that I have is the elg green screen so Elgato makes good things for like lighting and like the the setup but when it comes to the actual software and the streaming uh capture cards no a media 100% so much
• 302:00 - 302:30 better all right guys well that's probably going to be for the stream we've gone now for over 5 hours I had no idea this stream would be that long I knew it would be long but didn't want be this long so that covers every single x870 x870 motherboard currently from launch we will be doing more overclocking related content Matt thanks for the sub much appreciated so if you guys are new to this channel we do these Tech related
• 302:30 - 303:00 streams every Thursdays hence the title of the stream is Tech Thursdays that is the weekly show that I do for this channel so if you're new and you like this sort of content content you like building PCS you like building gaming PCs you're into gaming sometimes we do gaming discussions we will be covering the PlayStation 5 Pro we will be covering um uh what was I going to say I lost my Chain of Thought overclocking guides for zen5 and X8 or X yeah x870 I almost said
• 303:00 - 303:30 x670 x870 uh as well as ddr5 overclocking CPU overclocking as well as other things that you may not know anything about or you may be curious to know about like slim sass for example if you have a hero if you plan on getting a hero motherboard even though I've basically converted everybody to the Nova at this point if you're if you're thinking of getting the hero I will be doing a video showcasing how to make use of the slim SAS connector in one of the more the
• 303:30 - 304:00 cheapest ways possible without having to buy an expensive Enterprise SSD so I will be doing that so stay tuned for a video on the hero so I'll be doing videos like how to avoid using Lanes from the GPU because with the hero as we said on the stream there's still a way to do four M do2s off of the hero without stealing Lanes from the graphics card but that's going to be in a video in the future so that's going to be it for this stream you see the Nova's best am5 yeah I will do a
• 304:00 - 304:30 tier list video in fact I probably need to record that tier list video pretty soon while all the knowledge of all these motherboards is still fresh in my head so expect a tier list video for x870 as well as a separate video for x870 because I'm going to keep them separate because they're meant for different uh price points in different market segments so anyway that's going to be for this stream thanks again for joining and I will see you guys probably this weekend I'll be doing a live stream for overclocking SL gaming I'm testing the stability of my overclock live um in
• 304:30 - 305:00 a live environment fully using the computer just to get a real world test besides like boring stuff like why cruncher so we're going to do some real world testing not just synthetic stuff so anyway that's going to be it for the stream uh tune in every Thursdays sometimes I do live streams on uh the weekend like this upcoming weekend and otherwise I'll see you guys next time take care and I'll catch you on the next tech Thursdays thanks