The DMT Matrix: Evidence Our Universe is a Computer Program | Zoltan Bathory & Danny Goler

Summary

In this mind-melting conversation, Danny Goler and Zoltan Bathory explore the fascinating idea that our universe might be akin to a computer program. They delve deep into the philosophical and scientific implications of psychedelic experiences, particularly with DMT, and discuss how these experiences could help humanity evolve spiritually. Also discussed are personal anecdotes about profound experiences on psychedelics, the pursuit of scientific understanding, and how these insights could lead to a new era of human development.

Highlights

• Zoltan and Danny discuss how psychedelics might unlock deeper truths about our reality 🌈.
• They explore the possibility that our universe functions like a computer program 🤖.
• Personal anecdotes reveal the mind-expanding nature of psychedelic experiences and their impact on consciousness 🧠.
• Martial arts is presented as a discipline that complements the introspective journey of psychedelics and self-discovery 🥋.
• There's significant pondering over how psychedelics could contribute to evolving human consciousness and societal structures 🌍.

Key Takeaways

• Zoltan Bathory and Danny Goler discuss how psychedelics like DMT may hold the key to understanding the universe 🌌.
• The conversation touches on the concept of our universe potentially being a computer program 💻.
• Danny and Zoltan share personal experiences that highlight the profound effects of psychedelics on perception and consciousness 🔮.
• The transcript includes discussions on martial arts and discipline as methods of personal growth and development 🥋.
• The potential for psychedelics to aid in spiritual and mental evolution is a focus of the discussion 🌱.

Overview

In this podcast episode, Danny Goler and Zoltan Bathory embark on a fascinating discussion about the potential of psychedelics to unlock deeper truths about our universe and ourselves. They contemplate whether our reality could be part of a vast, intricate computer program, diving deep into how such a concept aligns with experiences induced by substances like DMT.

Both guests share personal stories, including Zoltan's experiences in martial arts and how discipline plays a crucial role in personal evolution. They draw parallels between the structured discipline of martial arts and the chaotic yet enlightening journey of psychedelic exploration, suggesting that these paths can intersect to foster significant personal growth.

The conversation also revolves around the idea that psychedelics can catalyze spiritual and mental evolution, posing them as potential tools for ushering in a new era for human understanding and societal development. These discussions are presented with an engaging blend of personal anecdotes, philosophical insights, and futuristic speculation, making the episode a thought-provoking listen.

Chapters

• 00:00 - 05:00: Introduction and Setting the Stage The chapter titled 'Introduction and Setting the Stage' begins with a casual conversation about Jiu-Jitsu and rolling, with a light-hearted suggestion of combining martial arts with DMT usage. This sets a relaxed and humorous tone for the discussion, while hinting at the appearance of Dan Hardy, an MMA fighter known for discussing his experiences with substances. The setting is casual, likely in a podcast or a laid-back conversational format, aiming to ease the audience into the topic while setting the stage for more in-depth discussions later on.
• 05:00 - 10:00: Psychedelics and Warfare This chapter explores the use of psychedelics, such as mushrooms, in combat scenarios. It begins with a discussion about Dan Hardy, a well-known UFC fighter who claimed that taking mushrooms during fights enabled him to "see the future." The chapter then shifts to modern warfare, mentioning that Ukrainian soldiers are being given psychedelics like ibogaine and mushrooms. This is part of a DARPA study aimed at investigating the effects of psychedelics on soldiers.
• 10:00 - 15:00: Psychedelics and Performance Researchers at the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill are studying the use of psychedelics such as ibogaine and psilocybin. The studies aim to improve soldiers' performance on the battlefield, focusing on skills such as edge detection and optimal use of firearms. The research is still in its early stages, and the chapter discusses a title from a story that highlights these initial developments.
• 15:00 - 20:00: The DMT Laser Experiment The chapter 'The DMT Laser Experiment' discusses a theoretical application of DMT (a powerful psychedelic) in combination with laser technology for traumatic healing and military enhancement. The narrator reflects on its outrageous use for optimizing soldiers' performance on the battlefield, including enhancing shooting accuracy. Despite the unethical implications, there's also a consideration of its potential positive impacts on trauma treatment.
• 20:00 - 25:00: Meeting and Collaboration The chapter 'Meeting and Collaboration' delves into a discussion about how governments historically have utilized and weaponized drugs, such as LSD, for various purposes. There's a focus on the perspective that while it seems obvious that there's a tendency to weaponize, this shouldn't be the overall mindset of humanity. The idea presented is that the zero-sum game mentality needs to be abandoned for a more cooperative and progress-oriented outlook.
• 25:00 - 30:00: Zoltan Bathory's Background and Interests This chapter explores the perspectives of Zoltan Bathory, focusing on philosophical reflections regarding power, responsibility, and societal attitudes. It highlights a discussion on how individuals in positions of power differ from those who pursue altered states of consciousness through methods such as mushrooms. The conversation suggests that an understanding gained from such experiences can influence one's perspective on governance and societal issues.
• 30:00 - 35:00: Exploration into Psychedelics and Inspirations In this chapter, the discussion kicks off with Danny Gooler, who returns to elaborate more on his previous conversation about the DMT laser experiment. The chapter is set to delve further into the intricacies and recent developments surrounding this experiment.
• 35:00 - 40:00: The Intersection of Science and Meditation The chapter discusses the balance and integration of various aspects of life, emphasizing how individuals often have a mental list of goals or tasks they want to achieve. The conversation also touches upon the personal connections and friendships that can play a crucial role in bringing like-minded individuals together, specifically mentioning a meeting through a mutual friend, although the friend prefers anonymity. This reflects how science and meditation can coexist, highlighting the importance of connections and a holistic approach to personal growth and understanding.
• 40:00 - 45:00: Psychedelics and Human Potential The chapter begins with a description of a meeting at an event called the Professional Grappling Federation (PGF), which is a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu league. The speaker was invited to help with the event, capturing footage, among other tasks. The encounter led to an invitation to Zan's house to record a podcast. The narrative sets the stage for further discussions, possibly around the theme of psychedelics and human potential.
• 45:00 - 50:00: Exploring the Unknown: Science and Psychedelics The chapter explores the intersection of science and psychedelics, featuring a conversation between two individuals staying overnight. The dialogue touches upon profound topics, particularly within the psychedelic domain. It begins as an informal conversation, gradually delving deeper into the intricacies of psychedelic experiences. The narrative highlights the curiosity and transformative potential that psychedelics hold, as one person asks probing questions about the psychedelic space, indicating a keen interest in understanding the subject deeper. The chapter leaves off at a pivotal moment where further insights are anticipated.
• 50:00 - 55:00: The Nature of Reality and Consciousness The author shares an unexpected encounter where someone recognizes him as "DMT Danny," a nickname for which he was unaware. This person had been following his work, much to the author's surprise. The situation evolved through a shared friend, leading to reminiscences of a meaningful question the author previously posed. This chapter explores themes of identity, perception, and the unexpected connections that arise in reality, intertwined with the topic of consciousness.
• 55:00 - 60:00: The Role of Conviction in Discovery The chapter explores how deep and specific inquiries can forge strong connections and friendships, particularly among individuals with shared interests in specialized areas. The narrative describes an encounter between two people who, bonded by their mutual fascination with space exploration, become immediate friends. They engage in long, profound conversations for a week, embodying how conviction in one’s interests and curiosity can lead to meaningful connections.
• 60:00 - 65:00: Spiritual Exploration and Personal Experience The chapter titled 'Spiritual Exploration and Personal Experience' explores the concept of like-minded individuals naturally gravitating towards each other in the realm of spiritual exploration and personal growth. The speaker humorously describes how there isn't a 'secret society,' but rather a network where people 'pop their head out' and identify others who share similar interests or experiences. This network helps individuals connect and share stories, such as those about 'DMT Danny,' illustrating the communal aspect of spiritual journeys. Additionally, the mention of technology like lasers hints at innovative tools that might be used within this context.
• 65:00 - 70:00: The Visionary Aspect of Psychedelic Experiences The chapter discusses a personal experience where the narrator found themselves in a situation resembling an impromptu lecture. The setting was likely a communal or spiritual gathering where open conversations were encouraged. The narrator, while speaking, noticed a circle of people seated around them, attentively listening, which transitioned the conversation into a lecture-like session. A significant moment occurred when someone, referred to as Danny, asked a remarkably insightful question that seemed to indicate he had experiential knowledge of what was being discussed. This suggests Danny's familiarity with the topic, possibly through personal experience.
• 70:00 - 75:00: Personal Anecdotes and Verifiable Experiences The chapter discusses the experiences of individuals in the psychedelic space, emphasizing the personal and spontaneous nature of these encounters. The author describes an interaction with someone named Danny, highlighting how people in this community often explore psychedelic experiences in a casual manner. These experiences are typically personal and vary greatly among different individuals, with exchanges of insights happening in an informal way.
• 75:00 - 80:00: Using Psychedelics for Personal Growth The chapter titled 'Using Psychedelics for Personal Growth' explores the complex nature of discussing experiences with psychedelics, particularly focusing on the challenges of describing such subjective and ethereal experiences to others. It highlights the example of Zultan, noted for his profound explorations into the psychedelic experience, which are not only captivating in their storytelling but also in their execution. Zultan's reputation underscores his deep understanding and ability to articulate these often indescribable experiences, making his accounts both impactful and respected.
• 80:00 - 85:00: The Path of Exploration and Understanding Reality The chapter titled 'The Path of Exploration and Understanding Reality' discusses an individual who is adept at recognizing patterns, regardless of the field. This master pattern recognizer engages in various pursuits such as martial arts and music, learning the guitar without formal instruction. He applies the same pattern recognition skills to explore architecture, collaborating with a retired, renowned architect from Vegas. The narrative leads up to the interaction with the narrator, which was the primary reason for sharing the story.
• 85:00 - 90:00: Q&A: Addressing Skepticism and Belief In this chapter titled 'Q&A: Addressing Skepticism and Belief,' the discussion revolves around a testament of Zultan's exceptional talent as an architect. The speaker recounts an unsolicited compliment from a client who, despite not being an architect, appreciated Zultan's innovative approach and functional designs. The client expressed that Zultan was the most talented architect he had ever encountered, acknowledging his ability to provide creative solutions beyond conventional thinking. This anecdote highlights Zultan's unique skill in understanding and implementing functional architecture.
• 90:00 - 95:00: Conclusion and Final Thoughts The conclusion and final thoughts chapter discusses a conversation about a place or experience that is usually shared casually between friends, but in this case, it involves a figure named Zultan. Despite having numerous responsibilities and serious matters to manage, Zultan approaches these situations successfully. The narrative emphasizes how impressive it is for someone like him to juggle serious decision-making alongside personal achievements. The chapter concludes with a note on Zan, hinting at his agreeable nature and how easygoing interactions can be with him.

The DMT Matrix: Evidence Our Universe is a Computer Program | Zoltan Bathory & Danny Goler Transcription

• 00:00 - 00:30 [Music] oh we are rolling beautiful you mean Jiu-Jitsu rolling or just rolling not Jiu-Jitsu rolling just regular rolling maybe later we'll do some Jiu-Jitsu rolling I got to bring my mat over here though maybe you can smoke DMT and then you guys can roll imagine you imagine it wouldn't be much of a roll I mean he like play with me like some uh cat toy or something I think that's regardless well Dan Hardy right the MMA fighter he used to talk about his usage of
• 00:30 - 01:00 psychedelics in fighting who Dan Hardy was his name I don't know who that is Dan he was a famous yeah he was a famous UFC fighter really yeah and he used to talk about how he used to get in the cage on mushrooms and he said I could see the future he said like I can see yeah well you know they do that they give that to um to Warf Fighters now that thing remember that article I sent you last night yeah they're giving people in Ukraine they're giving Ukrainian soldiers ibigan and like that and psychedelics psychedelic mushrooms they're do DARPA doing this study that's
• 01:00 - 01:30 fund was uh they're funding people at the University of uh North Carolina Chapel Hill I think to study the use of psychedelics like ibigan and um even siloc cybin on soldiers and on the battlefield on the battlefield on the battlefield for like for like Edge detection because I guess like well not just that but to be more optimal with a [ __ ] gun ibaan I guess that look I the story you sent me looked like read I just saw the title
• 01:30 - 02:00 cuz it was in the middle of the night but the but the title seem to have implied have been implying that it's for healing like a trauma I think part of it for the trauma and part of it is also let remove your trauma so you can go back to battle also it also a huge part of it is for optimizing Battlefield like like soldiers on the battlefield that's what it says in that story yes that's insane yes maybe it's not that cool then to make them more accurate like shooting I mean that's insane that's the wrong usage of the I I can see LSD definitely
• 02:00 - 02:30 would be LSD that's what they thought mult all that stuff that's what they thought right yeah I mean look the government's been weaponizing drugs since the beginning of time right if they're going to use if they are studying drugs they're going to figure out a way to weaponize them you know I mean that that you would think it sounds like it should be an obvious thing for us and yet I think that the the problem is that it's an obvious thing for us yeah like that should not be the attitude of humanity as a whole mhm like this idea that it's always a zero some game just needs to go away basically
• 02:30 - 03:00 yeah otherwise there's just no chance cuz you're going to get bigger and bigger weapons you're going to be able to go wham and you're going to destroy more things so the attitude of the monkey is the only thing that becomes actually matters well there's that Meme you know that people who run the government those people never took mushrooms and the people who took mushroom know why this is a problem yes yeah exactly right oh man well it's great to have you guys here today today
• 03:00 - 03:30 Danny Gooler you're back we had a fantastic episode talking all about the DMT laser experiment you did and I'm sure we're going to talk more about that today and some of the new stuff you've been doing with it I had a bless and zultan it's awesome to meet you brother we had aing wild conversation last night at dinner you you are like a renaissance man you're born in Hungary correct correct Soviet controlled Hungary yes uh double black belt Jiu-Jitsu Judo and your founder of the band Five Finger
• 03:30 - 04:00 Death Punch de in some music yeah you do everything what the don't you do that's that's pretty much it you know like you have a check mark on life that these are the things I need to do and I just I just check them that's pretty much what it is yeah so how did you guys get together how did you guys first meet we met through a mutual friend who I don't I'm not I'm never sure if he uh necessarily wants to always be mentioned in every context but we met through a mutual friend very good friend and uh um
• 04:00 - 04:30 we basically met at the at an event that event that uh Zan is now the founder of as well which is the pgf it's a Brazilian jiu-jitsu would you call it a league was that yes a professional grappling Federation and we have Jiu-Jitsu competitions okay I was invited to come help with the event just kind of shoot stuff and all that good stuff and then me and zultan were I was invited to Zan's house uh to shoot some actually a podcast so just do a little setup and uh I had to stay for another
• 04:30 - 05:00 day because uh we were you know we were kind of be rolling behind so then was like Hey can you stay over night I'm like sure that evening we sit down start talking he starts talking about some profound that you know always kind of the conversation drifts towards yeah yeah and then I I remember the short version of the story is that I asked him some question about something that he was describing in the Psychedelic space and then he kind of threw me a glance and he goes okay and then he kept on talking and then I asked him another question then he goes wait a second and
• 05:00 - 05:30 he goes what's your name I go cuz we didn't really I go Danny and he looks back at our mutual friend he goes wait this is DMT Danny I go what he goes bro I've been following you I'm like what I was like first of all I didn't know my name was DMT Danny second of all and he's like bro I'm like you know and then and then later zultan was saying that the reason he looked at me is because he knew that the question I asked him which I wish we
• 05:30 - 06:00 would remember what it was but I asked him something that he knew that only somebody who went really deep into space kind of would know that kind of stuff cuz it's very specific and that's and then from that moment on we just literally became best friends like we're just like two you know butt heads just sitting there like talking till 5:00 a.m. about all kinds of he stays a week I stayed a week we started a conversation is it lasted a week stay at your house a we because you know that's the kind of thing where you know somehow people who are in this space
• 06:00 - 06:30 usually find each other you know I always joke about it there's no secret society what it is is everybody's underwater and you pop your head out and look around and whoever whoever is out you can see them kind of you know like we always we kind of have this network we all sort of know each other or eventually we we found each other and I heard about him like that was his nickname DMT Danny and and you know I kept hearing the stories and I was I was aware of the laser and I was aware of py the the guy who was making the lasers
• 06:30 - 07:00 for me so so I I knew of him right and I had sort of a spiritual conversation people were asking questions and I was talking and I look up and I see like there's this circle around me everybody pulled up their chair I'm like oh [ __ ] it became a lecture sort of right and that's what what Danny said he asked me a question and the reason I looked at him like okay he he cannot possibly know that the I wish I remember what you asked but there's no way for you to know that if you haven't been there right and
• 07:00 - 07:30 then he has a second question and that's when I'm like okay hold on for a second are you Danny you knew it one thing I can say that was kind of surprising to me is because a lot of people in the just in the Psychedelic space in general they have this um way of exploring these spaces that is very loose so to speak so people go into these spaces and they have their experiences and then they exchange notes But ultimately it's always a a very it's
• 07:30 - 08:00 a very Shifty ground that people trying to describe to one another right so people come to a conclusion about particular things like beings or spaces and things like this but with zultan it was so obvious that not just that he exploited very deeply but also I mean you know his reputation kind of runs in front of him so like it's not like so Zan loves stories he has a lot of stories but at the same time there's the execution level is so high right every
• 08:00 - 08:30 single thing he touches I call him like a master pattern recognizer the martial arts the music he was never taught to play the guitar so it's like he just understands what patterns Work It Go like he he just started like what I started telling you like he started building this uh uh property he got and then he was like well maybe I'll get into like understanding some things about architecture P's one of the one of the most reputable uh architects in Vegas back from retirement brings them into the project the reason I started telling you the story is because we met
• 08:30 - 09:00 the guy when he was already finishing the project yeah he told us completely unsolicited he said zultan is the most he's the most talented architect he's ever worked with in his life and I said wait are you are you an architect goes no I just I just understand what works so he gave him ideas that he never thought about so like it's he just he has this one of these Minds that just understands what works in terms of functionality
• 09:00 - 09:30 and this yeah and this is why when he started talking about the space usually it's a conversation between two guys like dude I went to that space I did this thing oh my God it was crazy blew my mind but it doesn't usually come from someone like zultan who's like on the other hand you know like has all these responsibilities and serious stuff and all these businesses writing on his shoulders that I he has to make like serious decisions and somehow it all works and Zan always if you hang out with Zan like just onone it always looks
• 09:30 - 10:00 like he's just hanging out like there's no like there's no effort whatsoever yeah and I had this moment I'm um I'm going just going to do share this one small anecdote at this moment we're sitting with Aaron the director of the film again shout out to Aaron venden we read uh at um Zan's uh show we went to see fing a Death Punch and we're sitting there and Zan is sitting and talking to everybody after the show security other people like all this stuff happening right and Aaron and and zultan are
• 10:00 - 10:30 sitting and zultan is telling him a story and then later me we spoke to Aaron and he goes like dude how does he have time to talk and and talk to us and I go like I don't know but I'm like do you understand that everything around us right now the arena the security the everything that is happening right now this is a machine that he built like the buses here everything now obviously there's other people involved and they're obviously they're doing their jobs and everything but the trying to put everything together in a way so it's
• 10:30 - 11:00 like it works like this lubricated machine that's all Zan so somehow he put it together in a way that now you can just sit and enjoy and not worry about too many things like I said he he travels with a posy of all black belts in B Jitsu and a full Dojo just so he gets to also train so he kind of he thought of everything yeah how many black belts do you travel with on your tour the last tour we had seven seven of them and you guys just what drop a mat out in the out in the driveway and just so I'm carrying my mats and much I have two video guys two video guys both of
• 11:00 - 11:30 them black bass the riger light guys a black B and new video guys sometimes sometimes but super helpful so I can train basically like from but that's that's the case for the last you know like 19 20 years I always had at least one and as as we you know progressing and more crew we can afford everybody I would hire I would hire people who have a skill set and also martial artists you can expect more from a person who's a
• 11:30 - 12:00 martial artist it's because martial arts restructures your mind you you start thinking differently right because you know I started when I was a kid I was 9 years old and um and it develops rewiring in mind meaning like it develops a personality that otherwise you wouldn't and it doesn't mean that you have to start when you're really young you can start right now it still will do the same thing right because there is there are these moments where okay you have to go on the mat and fight this other guy so what happens there procrastination can you push this fight back no this is
• 12:00 - 12:30 happening right now right so you have to you have to accept the inevitable like this is going to happen right now you like it or not comfortable or not this this going to happen so you have to accept those things and if you parallel the to life right things happens and you have to deal with that then second nobody can jump in this is not a group effort this going to be you and the other guy so now we going to save you so you have to be responsible for everything that going to happen right so
• 12:30 - 13:00 there's a teaching in that and then as a martial artist you start to let's say that the fight starts or the the match starts and then you know you have to figure this out right again in life difficult things are happening and you have to figure it out you get caught in uncomfortable situations and you have to know when to fight your way out or where tap and fight another day right so that's a skill that you will have to understand in life you know and and the skill that my natural reaction is to
• 13:00 - 13:30 figure out a way I have to problem solve when both mentally and physically I'm being pressured basically right that's it's because it's a human chess game so it's both mentally and physically intensive right and then as you master this you start to realize that wait a minute I can also use your motion against you right and so the uncomfortable situations will will will turn into you know advantages and it's the same thing in life that's why what crisis management is like you look at a
• 13:30 - 14:00 crisis like wait a minute I can use this right this is maybe a great PR moment when it looks like a crisis but I'm going to turn this around so you start to see that in martial arts you know what we do it will develop traits in you that you can parallel to your career to your life because these these are the same things but most importantly it becomes a reflex like when you have some kind of adversity I don't think about the adversity I IM immediately to the solution I don't even think about it so
• 14:00 - 14:30 it's that that that element is not there anymore like oh my God right oh my God what do we do now that doesn't happen it's like the situation happens and immediately I I automatically go into solution and ultimately go into how do I use this whatever it is that's happening how do I use it as an advantage and it becomes automatic if you start to live your life that way it's it's a game now M it's the whole thing is a game it's a
• 14:30 - 15:00 chess game so life becomes this chess game of of uh basically strategy and then it becomes fun right and then once you walk on once you do it for a while you walk on a mat you don't you're not scared doesn't matter how big the other guy is it's like okay he's like 350 pounds can I beat him right I'm not thinking like oh my God I might die no it's like can I beat him can is there a way how am I going to beat him right see what I mean and so that becomes your personality m and then that you know
• 15:00 - 15:30 that I think that's one of the reason I became successful because overcoming obstacles because it's yeah yeah and it's it's that's the thing you um you know you're looking at uh you're looking at a a situation and and you look at it it's a it's a problem right it's March which means spring travel plans are in full swing don't be caught off guard while you're away from home and be sure to pack your travel-friendly medical emergency kit from the wellness company
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• 16:30 - 17:00 linked below now back to the show in life like o there's a you know there's a there's a problem I I look at it like oh it's it's an obstacle I have to jump over it's fun yes yesterday when we were sitting and uh having dinner you asked zultan a question that I kind of chuckled at you asked uh what do you do in your like what do you what do you do like what do you do on the dayto day every day like what's your routine and that's a really funny question if you actually get to hang out with him for a little bit because I've I've seen the
• 17:00 - 17:30 switch so like yesterday you just experienced like us just talking and exchanging stories and all that stuff I saw the switch happened with Zan when somebody walked in the room and said something to him one of these like you know in the movie moments where somebody kind of Whispers something in his ear like something happened and you see like this immediate switch in his face he goes he just gets up he get like all right I'll be right back walks outside comes back and something just happened right something he just he just solved
• 17:30 - 18:00 some kind of a problem and you never felt it as the guest like it just walked outside you saw something was going on somebody ask something he had to like give input serious input he comes back out hey and you just continue with the conversation of like whoa holy [ __ ] so there's like there's this immediate switch of like oh we got to go into a different mode now okay the warrior would kind of wakes up and you see it in real time it's very interesting it's also why I realized that nothing that he does do at least from my interaction
• 18:00 - 18:30 with with you so far is unintentional so when we would just sit and hang out it's like yeah that's my free time I'm going to talk about whatever is close to my heart and I want to talk about but he never does a thing that is unintentional and because of that when he told me okay he recently just decided to come on my podcast which is not even that huge yet so there was a very intentional decision is like no I think this is important to talk about now because I never he never spoke about this publicly ever before because there was no reason for it was just you know and now he felt like it's
• 18:30 - 19:00 important enough and I took that also as well first of all as kind of like a check mark of like okay we're on the right path here but also there's an understanding that something even if we don't fully understand what it is none of us uh there's something very major that is going on that needs attention and that attention needs to be put on in the right way not just you know like uh I see a lot of people kind of like in a lot of different communities from spiritual communities of the Awakening communities disclosure
• 19:00 - 19:30 the arising of AGI in the tech world all of these things seem to be like types of crescendos that are arriving and we're all in some relationship to them the mapping of the human mind neuralink all of these things right and it seems like and we the truth is that none of us actually knows what the you know what the real thing is my Discovery but I don't think it's coincidence I don't think it's a coincidence I think all of this is almost like the Universe goes like hey right pay attention yeah there's end of
• 19:30 - 20:00 chood yeah we we're this conversation is going to get very meta for lack of a better term and we're going to talk about a lot of deep philosophical ideas and and but also practical things by way practical stuff the DMT I want to get into the DMT laser stuff but before we do that I'm I'm really interested in hearing your origin story and where you come from and how you grew up and and how you ended up here orig so like you Adam and Eve or yes exactly
• 20:00 - 20:30 the snake in the garden so so basically I grew up in Hungary that was at the time it was a communist country so so I grew up in Hungary and um set out to be a scientist um the the Communist had this you know this idea of separating people into various casts of like you they come to the kindergarten which by the way we walked to in the snow when I was I don't know four years old 5 years old that's completely normal the snow is taller than me and the and the kindergarten is like three four miles
• 20:30 - 21:00 away and your parents just put you out in a cold like all right kid don't die it's that way um don't get lost and um you know and then see you later that's it that was completely normal anyway so we have a pretty different upbringing you know like okay here's a spear you go and fight for your food you know it's Sparta and and so they come to the schools and they pick out the kids and they like okay you get this we're going to put you in a special school you you could you do do let's say a athleticism and then you go to your school that is specifically for sports and so they
• 21:00 - 21:30 picked me out and they like okay you're math science you know and and we're going to put you in a special school so I had like two or three math classes every day and that was my gem I was going to be a particle scientist that was I was interested in a moment I could read that you know instead of reading you know books about Cowboys and Indians and everybody did I'm like deep down in the tectonic systems of the of the planet and you know and the particle science and that was my German and um
• 21:30 - 22:00 and then somewhere around when I was 12 years old I had a because we're sitting here so I'm going to contact this story I had an out of body experience I had an accident and um at the time I didn't understand what happened but I definitely I didn't look at my own body I I hit a truck with my low bicycle and um I but I had the sensation of whatever I wanted to look at wherever I wanted to go I was just there and I understood like wo something's bizarre something's weird
• 22:00 - 22:30 and I you know I got up eventually I sit up I was in a pool of blood with a a circle of people around me and I just grabbed my bicycle went home you know my mother it's communist country you know that's how it works like kid I'm bleeding out of my head it's like kid don't get it on the carpet that's it that's it you know you can't have a sword sticking out of your head and like oh probably should go to the hospital but you got to walk because I'm busy so you know mean that's pretty much how this this worked and and um so I went to
• 22:30 - 23:00 the library and I started to search and at the time the Google search of the times were like um you reading the books and then you have footnotes and you just simply find where the you know where those exerpts coming from so I dug on a the path of eventually I found books about life after death and eventually find Eastern philosophy so by the time I was like 14 15 I was knee deep into Kaa yoga and meditation and you and all that and so and I also had issues with
• 23:00 - 23:30 science so I had a moment when I was about 15 I started to battle my professors about about theoretical math I disagreed with a lot of things and there are issues of of of practical math and theoretical math so I had a conflict there while I'm researching and and experiencing um early days of wasn't psych catalic so to speak but I'm down on that path yoga meditation it's it's a
• 23:30 - 24:00 science breathing techniques various techniques because that seemed to be connected to what you were the idea that you were searching for with that near-death experience you have I I I understood very early the question that while we have you know maybe scientists like you know higs and Einstein and you know this is important this is very important their work is really important science is really important I was going to be a scientist But ultimately the most important question all these things science is subservient of the most important question the most important
• 24:00 - 24:30 question what the hell is going on MH what what's going on why are we here who we are why what is this right so if you look at science why we looking for science in one way yeah we want to you know we want to make ourselves comfortable we invent things and buildings to make ourself less U dependent on physical labor right that's one reason for science but the ultimate reason is like the explanation of what the hell is happening and I felt like yoga and and and these mental Sciences
• 24:30 - 25:00 are on the same path this is try to answer the question and later in life psychedelics to me it's the same exact thing trying to figure out the ultimate question of what the hell is going on what is this perception how am I alive how how am I perceiving not even not even how I'm alive but just the perception itself and why and why are we here so that's the most important question and so while I was having clashes with with with uh certain scientific ideas I was also barreling
• 25:00 - 25:30 down this path of of of yoga and mental sciences and trying to figure this out and so and in the same time I was playing music which is you know I was very interested in music and and again as somebody was scientifically oriented I started to understand like wait a minute music everything is is is a vibration and and as a musician I'm playing with the source code basically I am playing with harmonies
• 25:30 - 26:00 Melodies and the correlation and if you think about the whole entire universe is basically simatic patterns right and so I kind of I I understood that at that age that okay so as a musician right I am playing with the source code and also with music I can affect you as a human like just to give a very short example you know I can give you a guitar re and put a drum to it I'm going to make this drum beat a little bit shuffled meaning
• 26:00 - 26:30 that the snare will not come mathematically what it's supposed to it's going to be a little bit late barly audible right you're going to it's going to give you a feeling that oh man we are cruising yeah this feels good right it's you know Island time yeah right yeah now I take the same guitar I'm going to put a drum beat on it I quantize it so it's exactly on time it's going to be like oh man let's go to war bam bam it just feels like let's go or I take the same snare and push it a little bit again it's not really audible you can only
• 26:30 - 27:00 feel it and so now snare comes a little bit early I'm giving you anxiety physically giving you anxiety right you're like oh go right so imagine if I start to just mix those patterns within a song I give you an anxious verse and I release it in the course was there a moment you can remember that inspired you to start look at like start practicing music and learning it uh you know there's obviously [ __ ] that music music kind of chose you right so I don't
• 27:00 - 27:30 really have a I was always interested you know I wanted to be a guitar player so couldn't afford it I got a jigsaw and my parents coffee table I'm like yeah this looks good all right and I just made myself my first unplayable but very heavy metal guitar you know so I you know you had to you have to make you know Eastern philosophy and Eastern life is like what we have and how far we can go with that versus a wish list of what I need to accomplish so I made my first guitar right I wanted to be a guitar player I wanted to you know I was
• 27:30 - 28:00 interested but I don't have a specific moment that ignited like oh yeah that's what it is and what kind of music were you listening to at that age so I started with British Punk okay you know like was just like the voice of the rebellion in the communist country game you know and then eventually switched into heavy metal and it was a purpose a purpose was really like it was not you know it was not that it wasn't wasn't illegal but it was frown upon right so it was like a little kid what can you do when you're 12 years old you're not going to you know steal your
• 28:00 - 28:30 grandfather's a that he hid in the second world war in the backyard you're not going to start a revolution you need some kind of an outlet like how do I oppose this the system and you know the heavy metal felt like well this is the Rebellion you know so it's it was also you know loaded so to speak for me that was kind of like a um a western culture seeping in and also if you think about rock music was sort of a voice of the Rebellion even in the west it was you
• 28:30 - 29:00 know it was countering social you know social standards that they disagreed with right so you know so so for me it was both interesting as in playing with the source code understanding that with playing with the source code I can physiologically even affect how you feel yeah and I'm just talked about Rhythm you know now there are major and minor scales minor scales are sad major sces are happy so I can manipulate how you feel and I thought that's fascinating right then understanding how there is a
• 29:00 - 29:30 there's a math involved with music this these are mathematical cor correlations and then beyond that it's also geometrical cor correlations I see patterns on the guitar versus learning a scale I I see patterns mhm right so I thought that was amazing and it was a vehicle for Rebellion so I'm like oh this is perfect so I was doing that yeah right I doing visual art in the same time so I went to school for that too like I have um you know Commercial Art and Design
• 29:30 - 30:00 degree and uh and I'm Barling down on a path of you know yoga and and trying to understand what's happening and and eventually science start to sort of phased out of my life I always going to have the scientific approach to the things but but it kind of was phased out because I felt like science is a loose explanation mhm a collection of ideas that try to explain what's going on M and there's a difference between experiencing what's going on or trying
• 30:00 - 30:30 to explain it right right because I you know I look at it there's there are four kind of people when it you know the reason Don Danny said that I I finally said like okay you know what I'm going to step out and I'm going to start talking about it what we talk about you know the the Cy space I been involved with that for decades there was no reason to talk about it cuz I it's not like I needed the attention and um and I felt like the world is not ready which is not there
• 30:30 - 31:00 yet to talk about it but something is changing there is a end of childhood from a spiritual perspective for this planet people growing up spiritually and um and the the Four cast of people people like there are the the flower child the flower child that we joke around Tree Huggers right the modern Hipp who jump into the place and it's a playground mhm then there's the Explorers the Explorers are people who also jump into the
• 31:00 - 31:30 psychic world but with a scientific mind trying to explore that there is something more here something tangible something real because our experiences correlate and we can verify that this happened to me I saw this did this happen to you you saw this too so then we can verify each other's experiences so something is real here right then there is The Observers the scientists who watch this thing but they want to stay outside they more
• 31:30 - 32:00 of a they try to measure and and figure out without being part of it right and then there are the civilians who have no idea they just they have no clue that this is happen I don't know about NPCs but yeah well yeah but you know just different functions right and I feel like that today we we arrived to this moment where you know when there are enough atten on it and the Observer
• 32:00 - 32:30 class the scientists who generally held highly as their scientist are are getting take taking a notice and getting more and more attention going on that's why also the laser comes in that's where these tangible things where okay something's going on here and then is it not that or job is to figure out what's going on or function in Life or existence figure out what's going on and when there's this space is opening even though it takes a substance to get there
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• 34:30 - 35:00 and get to the US how old were you tooka took a revolution I mean Communism had to collapse Lott we didn't we didn't have passports we couldn't go to countries that are Western countries we were completely aware of you know Western culture but we were just not participating so we were sort of in a in a in a pit life was you know the race cars were going and we were just sitting in a pit watching the race we were not part of it so while we were completely aware of Western culture and we can a the system right oh like that's pretty
• 35:00 - 35:30 cool and this sucks right so so we wanted to get out of there but you know there's a Minefield like an actual Minefield on a border with trigger happy border patrol you can't get out and you don't have passports and you know if the system was great then then you don't have to lock Us in we would have stayed obviously but we all wanted to get the hell out of there and um and in ' 89 it's started to cave in it started in Poland actually the dock worker started to strike that was the first crack in the system like oh wait a minute you can
• 35:30 - 36:00 try and I remember a moment when I was fairly very young actually and um we were watching TV and um the one TV channel we had black and white one TV channel communist propaganda does not work on Monday no TV on Monday and stops at midnight that was his life and so and I remember that uh there is a transportation industry in America was striking and then you know these guys were gleefully like oh my God you know that capital system is crumbling the bourgea will fall and you know the
• 36:00 - 36:30 communism will succeed that that was the propaganda on TV and they were showing how the Americans were out on the street with the lost signs and I'm look at my dad I'm like well hold on for again so in America I can go on the street with a sign and yell that I'm not happy and nobody's shooting me nobody's arresting me I don't disappear that's how that works I need to get the hell out of here right and bewildering part like he didn't understand what I was asking
• 36:30 - 37:00 right because they were so they were born into that fear based system yes like we were telling me like kid shut up you we going to get arrested we will disappear like hyper normalization for them oh that was completely normal to them so they they were broken Souls born into this system they never knew anything else right so they they were that that experiment fleas in the jar that can jump out you know I don't know if you know that experience you put fleas in the jar and put a lid on it and they tried to jump out and keep hitting the lid and after that you take off the
• 37:00 - 37:30 lid and they will never jump out right cuz they learned that that's the lid and so it's kind of like that broken Souls that couldn't even imagine when I was telling to people like oh I'm going to America and I'm going to play rock music I'm going to tour the world people thought that you crazy like that was ridiculous to them like what you're insane that's not possible we don't have passports that's just not a thing right so I never had a d doubt that I'm going to do it and well I obious is proven that I did but you know but that was
• 37:30 - 38:00 basically uh growing up there and 89 is when it's U start to crumble and eventually collaps and once we had passports then if it's like everybody's like okay let's go wow yeah yeah and then you you said you spent a lot of time practicing Buddhism with actual monks yes so how did that happen so once I was in America I came here without speaking a word of English so I could say like yeah beer that's it is it true the Hungarian language is like not connected to any any of the other
• 38:00 - 38:30 languages around that area the closest yeah the closest would be Finnish but we have maybe 30 words 50 30 40 50 words I don't know that rooted in the same you know word but not really like so we basically Nomads like AA the Han the first wave and then the second wave was arpad that was his name arpad uh the the leader who arpad arpad yeah okay um so basically it's an North China Mongolia that area the nomads were coming over to
• 38:30 - 39:00 to Europe and so that's how the Hans hungarians Hans came so we barbarians right and then then you know they picked that current territory of Hungary as the home base so we not you know so we the European languages were not connected to them so there's like probably like 12 13 million hungarians in the world who speak that language it's a very different language logic istically is absolutely different how it's built you
• 39:00 - 39:30 know and um yeah I didn't speak English so I had to learn that where where was I was staying this place where somebody left the book sashank Redemption and I had a Hungarian English dictionary and I translated this book word by word wow without any understanding of you know grammar or anything so I to translate it probably read the book like 30 times because I always started it over because it start to make sense and I would watch TV I had a little black and white TV in the room and I put on the close caption and um I
• 39:30 - 40:00 could recognize the words and the pronunciation and once I could understand English I would live in Barns and noals and borders and on the bookstores because they let me just sit there with a te was the cheapest version I couldn't afford anything else right so I would have a tea and I would sit in the Barns and Nobles and just read just anything I could devour because I of a sudden I have this library of Easter philosophy mes American pH philosophy
• 40:00 - 40:30 you know I read Carlos costan's entire you know work three times at least you know and then all the books that I could never get in you know in Hungary so that was my just devouring that you know and and I was a Seeker so I would seek out yogis and people that I would hear about that could do things allegedly that are super human and then I met people and I saw things that I can verify that okay I saw that this
• 40:30 - 41:00 happened this is not in our current set of understanding that what can physically happen right so I would I would go and and meditate and and then I found this uh Sri Lankan monks that I spent a lot of times with you know so that was parallel to everything else I was doing that's fascinating yeah and you last night we were talking about the the monk Who lit himself on fire during that prot yes in in Vietnam and you were
• 41:00 - 41:30 saying that that was a recruiting call that was not sort of a protest based on the gasoline exports or anything like that so if you if you if you understand you know if you understand the the way they think the Buddhist monks and it's very very similar to the the the shamans or the the men of knowledge so to speak if can you pull up that photo Steve of um you know Mican history right when the Spaniards came and and what happened there they have a very similar um way they relate to to um oppression because
• 41:30 - 42:00 you know the the smooth Seas won't make great Sailors sort of idea right that spiritual or or physical oppression will lead to your most rapid development as a person right and so if you if you if you know that they understand that concept right if you know that understand that concept then you know that they not going to get involved in in politic Pol the motivation is not political and
• 42:00 - 42:30 if you read the DAP or you any of the the teachings right it's always the the meaning of those teachings is is dynamic it's it's almost like you will understand what you capable of understanding at the moment and you read that same thing a couple of years from now and it will mean something else and that's the Brilliance of that right and so there are so many of these teachings and these anecdotes that you read it and it might mean one thing and then later you realize like oh there was a that's
• 42:30 - 43:00 just a seed and there are some amazing things in there so if you understand how they think and how they operate then then you know that it's um that there's a different motivation so so things that what what you see in face value is usually not what it is MHM right and and that particular picture that we're talking about you know it's a to me that was a light Tower moment what I call a light Tower moment is when when you look at something and in face value this is a political Pro protest and a as
• 43:00 - 43:30 a political protest this this picture was one of the most favorite picture most famous picture in in in the time I think it's 1962 when this happens can you find that Steve I think 62 pull up like the Wikipedia page about it and uh and so you know so this triggered this this this major event of you know human rights and and so so so the picture was published everywhere and it it was a very well-known picture because how the
• 43:30 - 44:00 world related to this like the shocking element of like you see this m motionless [ __ ] right just burning to the absolute most horrible death without flinching yeah kuuk yeah tanduk right 19 1963 June 113 okay there you go so 63 so Kennedy was President right so go back read that again well 6 so I think Kennedy was president on the time in June yeah he was still president yeah
• 44:00 - 44:30 right so so this picture this moment right because of of the nature of the picture because because how shocking that is right this became sort of a a and and even if you read Wikipedia it's probably still to this day going to relate to why this happened as a political event right and again go back to how monks and how the how these guys actually think and
• 44:30 - 45:00 operate if you intimately understand that then then you know that this is the face value but there is more to this and what I meant by a light Tower moment that this was a perfect vehicle for the whole world to see this because this picture was everywhere and some of us a small percent but some of us saw this picture and my question wasn't political my question is like hold on for a second if this monk can sit there burn to death
• 45:00 - 45:30 without a blink of an eye whatever power this human obtained I need to know and obain that's that's incredible right so some of us looked at it like oh I need to I need to investigate this I need to get into meditation Buddhism d right because I need to understand this is this is super human yes right so so it's a light Tower moment because I wasn't the only one who t of this a pretty large amount of people saw it as most of
• 45:30 - 46:00 the people saw it as a political issue yeah right but a pretty large amount of people also saw it as I saw it like hold on for a second how is this possible there's a miracle is happening right there a miracle is happening right front of us if this mon came out and says check it out guys I'm going to light myself on fire I'm going to perform a miracle nobody would have believed him everybody would question like oh maybe there was some kind of an ointment or everybody would have questioned this is real but because it was sort of a um
• 46:00 - 46:30 presented as a political thing it just kind of went through the system without being questioned but those of us who see the world differently those of us saw a superhuman powers that if this is humanly possible I need to know how I need to know how to calm my mind and how to put myself in that position but I can do this and now if you think about it at the time Buddhism was was kind of getting eradicated and and the knowledge that these guys were were you know the
• 46:30 - 47:00 libraries were burnt and the knowledge that they obtained and and and put in libraries were being eradicated so this picture probably recruited more people to Buddhism and to this path and I don't even like to use the word Buddhism because it's an ism but more people was recruited for this path than probably anything else they could have done yeah right wow because even though there is a small percent of people who saw it as as
• 47:00 - 47:30 an incredible human feet right that's still a huge number because the whole planet was exposed to this picture can't even imagine watching in real time it's just yeah I think there's video there's video of it and it's it's [ __ ] I keep trying to imagine what it's like to exender the emation that's the the imulation and you know and again right there you see something that humanly should not be possible no human should
• 47:30 - 48:00 not so so right there this is this picture should trigger you mhm and start you a path that I need to know this mhm this is this is this is absolute control like this is when when your mind has full control and and that is the point of of of meditation that is the point of the whole path that you attain that power when you you know you have this incredible computer in in your in your
• 48:00 - 48:30 head right yes this this mind of us right and then and and the train of thought never stops so the there's a constant you you know there always moving right Steve don't you can play it for us but don't show it um on the actual podcast because it'll get us freaking Copy Co no not copywritten but it'll get it'll get banned no this isn't the same thing is it this is different no this is it this is really it I think so this is the same guy there were a couple of more so this wasn't the only one movie it's put put could be a movie or or there were a couple of more so this I
• 48:30 - 49:00 thought he did it to himself on the original one he did yeah yeah yeah he P ped you I mean his students were there but right right so oh his those were his students yeah around him yes oh [ __ ] I didn't even realize that yeah so you know ultimately the the point of meditation that you have this this train of thought completely uncultivated running free right and there's this idea of mindfulness if you at all time you are completely conscious of what your mind is doing think about you drive home
• 49:00 - 49:30 and I ask you like what did you see on the way home what roads you took I probably don't remember you just autopilot right so that means like that's a simple proof of you were like took your half an hour let's say to drive home for half an hour you were not completely conscious of where your mind was and what it was doing or you're saying like hey you know what this this idea popped in my mind well I didn't just pop in your mind something triggered that idea you saw something something triggered it and before this idea popped in your mind your mind was doing something else and you're not
• 49:30 - 50:00 aware of what it was doing so that the ultimate Way of existence is that you're at all times completely and fully aware what your mind is doing and thinking and you're in control of that could can you be depressed if you if you're in control no can you have a suicidal thought no can you you know can you have crazy thoughts no you're in control and so we are not fully in control with our mind and and so the the point of that meditation and what this
• 50:00 - 50:30 Tian achieved is that absolute control wow so that is that picture right there has so many things in there it's like a fractal yeah there's so many things in there like you see a man in absolute control of his body and his mind yeah and it seems super human there's a lot packed in there
• 50:30 - 51:00 and so some of us saw that as a light Tower that's why I call it a light to even event when you see this and you go okay I need to understand this I need to learn this I need to I need to be barreling down do Road do pad and how so when you started practicing this and and learning more about it you mentioned last night that there's um there's something something you can achieve like a certain level you can achieve in the practice of this stuff this meditation where you can
• 51:00 - 51:30 basically like tap in to this for lack of a better term DMT State automatically like by the flip of a switch yes it's a you know there's a there's a so there that's yoga is a science and there's there's physical elements to it how that you know the Kundalini which is basically a spinal fluid moves up on your spine and how it it triggers certain things but but so there's a there's an actual physical exercise but
• 51:30 - 52:00 you know yoga has seven different paths and there Kaa yoga and there's various forms but it all goes to the same spot right you have um you have a narrator right and this narrator is by basically explaining to you the world as you moving around or you know it's like did I close the garage door that's technically a voice in your head talking to you okay so if the voice is in your hand is talking to you that is bound by it's in a prison of the language that voice will never say anything to you that's not been already spoken
• 52:00 - 52:30 invented sure because it is using a language mhm and it's you're a prisoner of that language that you speaking because everything and so this voice will talk to you in that language that's that's one issue the other issue that we have a built-in automatic filter an automatic filter is that you have the the basing oper the base operating system is the survival of the individual then the surv surval of species and so for so on and there is a hierarchy of what's important right and so the most
• 52:30 - 53:00 important part is you to survive that's the that's the the red telephone of like hey you're in danger run or fight right so there are those things but and everything else there's like almost like there's an equalizer and what's important what's not important so let's say you're sitting on an airport and there's a million people talking you don't hear anything just noise and I was some somebody going to say the word podcast you'll hear that word because it's important to you mhm right but you didn't hear any of the other words right
• 53:00 - 53:30 if you bought a new car you start driving it around and you start like man everybody has a card well the number of those cars didn't change it just wasn't important to you so so what what it means that your mind actually deletes information that is seemingly not important to you right you perceived it but it deletes it save energy right correct and it's just a lot of data yeah it's it it finds it not important now here's here's a so you have two elements here one the
• 53:30 - 54:00 voice that's processes processing everything is is in English for you right so so your prisoner of that language and the boundaries of the language and then there's also a filtration system that you're not even aware of you don't even know what was deleted you drove home and a lot of things happened that you didn't see because you saw it I shouldn't say you didn't see you saw it but you didn't register it it's like I noticed sometimes like if you ever there if there's ever like a route you are used to driving like on a daily routine and you're driving from here to there
• 54:00 - 54:30 whatever and then one day you decide to walk the same route all of a sudden it's a whole new world right like I never saw this building here before you know what I mean now the question there is that okay so I have the filtration system that takes out information that might have been important but I didn't notice right and everything that is is described to me my mind is kind of speaking to me in English how do I get out of this and that is the science of yoga that is the meditation let's get out of the filter let's get ahead of the filter yes and let's do nonverbal
• 54:30 - 55:00 communication versus verbal communication right and a way I could prove that to you I could point out certain things in this room and if I ask you to tell me what I'm pointing at right like literally we can do that so go for it microphone Danny cup so what's going to happen I'm going to outrun you right yes okay you still saw what I point out and you knew what it was but you didn't have time to formulate the word right right because
• 55:00 - 55:30 that takes a a microc you have to reach in to the library grab the word your hard drive has a speed right and but your attention moved faster so so your attention moved faster than your language could possibly move so is it possible to see and perceive things faster than you can for formulate the word yes and you knew what I was show I was showing you perceived it you just couldn't say the word right so with that
• 55:30 - 56:00 imagine if you meditate and you're um your language you know like your mind is speaking to youh the whole idea to outrun that you can't engage you have to kind of like do a Mayweather boxing style like you're just you're just stepping away from the punches you're he trying to talk to you and you stepping away it becomes a game of the mind is trying to talk to you and you're not engaging and if eventually you achieve that silence when it stops talking right and then the first step of
• 56:00 - 56:30 spiritual realization is a self-realization when when you have this moment when you realize that the witness you're watching you're you're the witness and you watching your mind trying to talk to you and then I Su is that moment of hold on for a second if I'm watching my mind then I'm not the mind and who am I and that's a very profound moment of one of the major steps in spiritual you know process is
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• 58:00 - 58:30 it's linked below now back to the show right right and so these are the two so that's one step like I I was ahead of the language separating yourself from your mind yes and I have was other and then so there are techniques there are physical techniques there are mental techniques you know the mantras little songs or or mandalas very complicated pictures that you look at there's various techniques and tools that you know know that various people use to achieve this but you can play piano or
• 58:30 - 59:00 do Jiu-Jitsu because you're not thinking why you doing Jiu-Jitsu or you be playing guitar I'm not thinking like did I left the stove on right my mind is kind of in a flow state so that can be also meditation that's kind of the base of tantric meditation tantric boo ISM or anything can be your meditation as long as your mind shuts up as long as not right right so that's one second is that getting ahead of that filter getting into that mindset when you perceive all and you get to decide what's
• 59:00 - 59:30 important versus the routine of you drove home you don't even remember you don't even remember right the filter was done you you if I didn't tell you to watch the red cars you don't know how many there were but when when I told you watch the red cars now you're where right so we are in charge with that mhm so these are all uh practices and then comes psychedelics so how how do you without psychedelics turn that filter off that's basically the process of
• 59:30 - 60:00 meditation the first step of the process is stopping the language the language first the language first like you have to stop that's part of it got it okay I understand because once the language is there right then your communication is verbal now you're inside the box now you you know now you can't well and here's the thing like about compos osing music painting pictures right um doing
• 60:00 - 60:30 any sculpture I'm going to give you a really good example with that because you can't make mistakes there so okay so if I you know if uh like everything I see the view that uh everything is possible and what I'm talking about everything is possible is there's a potential how to make a light bulb work that that potential was the same billion years ago than it is now we just didn't have the technology or the need or the you know but how it works is the same if
• 60:30 - 61:00 time travel exists that exists right now we don't know how to do it that doesn't mean that there's no answer to that there's a way to do that right if you need you know nuclear fusion on a room temperature if it's possible it's possible right now we just don't know how to do it but it's possible right and it's the same thing with art sculptures painting music right all that so I'm not really um inventing anything I'm just
• 61:00 - 61:30 reaching and I'm more like discovering or I just bring something into this space and manifest it right and I would say this exercise of like if I give you a pencil and say okay draw a straight line you can execute that uh draw a circle you can execute that as as perfect as you can okay a triangle square a sine wave yes okay sh everything okay cool monalissa draw the monalissa everything that needed for
• 61:30 - 62:00 that you executed you all the elements that is made of you execute and I can see that you have full control over the pencil yeah right and so there should not be a problem to draw anything to paint anything right and what that is it's it's about you get heading into this Flow State making that connection with the potential like the Muse
• 62:00 - 62:30 creating a bridge right and holding that Vision like you're not painting theonis and it would be to the most obvious when you're making a sculpture when you're making a sculpture if you made a mistake that piece of stone is gone you can't glue that back right okay so you have to have a full vision of what you're about to do mhm right and so that is the process like getting into those flow States when you can create this bridge
• 62:30 - 63:00 and the reason I'm bringing this example because that's kind of what happens in meditation right that I'm I'm getting to this Flow State when I have a bridge to the ultimate potential and I'm just giving you the example what how it happens when I compose music I have to hear all the instruments in my head to write the song I have to be able to do that I have to create that bridge if I'm making a sculpture I have to see that sculpture in my head and hold that Vision in order to make that
• 63:00 - 63:30 yeah so I'm copying what's in my mind and what's in my mind is not mine exactly right so I created the bridge I am making that sculpture I can't make a mistake because I hit the wrong I chip the wrong thing it's no longer going to be possible to make this sculpture and so that's the that's the thing that you trying to strengthen in meditation like how do I make my connection to this Universal Super of Consciousness as solid as possible have you ever heard of the book called The I think it's called
• 63:30 - 64:00 The War of art by a guy named Steven pressfield Art of War yes Art of War yeah of course you've heard of that one there's another one called The War of art he's a guy name even pressfield he's a writer and he talks about uh the idea of tapping into this Muse which is similar to what your idea is of universal Consciousness where like he uh every day he basically follows the same protocol where whether he feels like it or not he sits down at his desk at the same time every day and forces himself to write for an hour 2 hours 3 hours
• 64:00 - 64:30 whatever it is and he says sometimes he doesn't want to [ __ ] do it it's the last thing he wants to do but he forces himself to just start [ __ ] writing for the first hour and then eventually with no distractions locked in a room with just his pen and paper The Muse will start flowing through him and take over right and then this this this creativity this magic will start flowing through his hand so what he's is doing I could equate that to well that's meditation that is the process right so
• 64:30 - 65:00 so the difference I guess is that we are very specific when I'm talking about the reason I used let's say the an idea of sculpture because it's so permanent if I made a mistake that's a permanent mistake not even like drawing when I can use an eraser that that piece of stone was chipped off of that rock it's gone right you know right so that that demonstrate like how strong your vision has to be and I can also parallel that to your your life because that's just that's just what I
• 65:00 - 65:30 do as an artist but I do the same thing with my life so when we talked about like okay you do all these things well that's how it happens I wanted to race monster truck okay I'm going to raise monster trucks I wanted to work for the space industry I have worked for the space industry for years right I wanted to be a musician yes I am a musician I want work for the [ __ ] space industry yeah Jesus Christ doing what we can't just gloss over this he was he was guitar player for the space we were explaining with zero g
• 65:30 - 66:00 guitar solos no it's like look my God it started with to not to take a big side Ro there but yeah for few years I was a consultant for space industry I have been in a conversation with Ana anari was up on the you know Ana anari she's a Iranian astronaut basically okay and she was on a space station we were on a phone while I'm on a tour bus my band is hanging from the chandeliers throwing bananas at each other and I start to scream at them like guys shut the [ __ ]
• 66:00 - 66:30 up I have 14 minutes to be on this phone call because then it's out of out of R oh my God everybody looked at me like what why did they want you to consult with the space astronauts okay I I designed her space suit and her Mission patch and all that so I was a designer originally that I was doing you know 3D movies and the short you know the story to compress the story started with you know uh scientists were and you know Engineers were looking at
• 66:30 - 67:00 looking for somebody who can make their Visions into 3D animations so they can build certain things or get funding for certain things so that's where it started then a friend of mine who was working on a flying flying car which eventually became a flying motorcycle which flew and in the smitson museum came to me like hey can you help me engineer or you know at least the the the representation 3D movies of this and I do have understanding on engineering so I started to build this thing for
• 67:00 - 67:30 them and I'm like okay this is not going to work right like I I can see this not going to work how about move this here move that there so did some modification and that made it patentable right so I I'm one of the inventors on the flying you know motorcycle and uh we got the patent and it flew and all that so that's was the origin of this and then and then eventually they kind of sucked me into that world because they needed somebody who has the the design ability is right I could do 3D animation and all that I can design all kind of stuff and the
• 67:30 - 68:00 understanding of engineering so I'm not going to do something crazy that's something unfeasible so that's how I kind of got built in and then I also did user interface design for various you know electronics and whatnot which just means like if you pick up your phone if you think about how it works it's already wrong I have to be able to guide you I have to give you a user interface that that is obvious that's the magic that you should not be thinking about how to use a VCR it should be obvious right to to to give you an example you
• 68:00 - 68:30 know the arrows is pretty obvious probably ancient times if you you know draw an arrow you kind of know like look that way or go that way where where you know let's say a stop sign is learned yes a stop sign is the color red is is is ancient because you will recognize color red warning MH right so that's sort of a it's it's in our genetic history now but the stop sign itself the shape of it is learned so there's a science of what
• 68:30 - 69:00 is learned and what is you know for example something in between if you if you look a poster if somebody's looking to the you know this way or that way in a poster right if you're looking in this way right then it feels like you're looking into the future because of the motion of the clock if you look the other way on a poster it feels like you're looking back to the past and these subliminal stuff that you know that's just there and some of them is learned some of them is is
• 69:00 - 69:30 inherited almost genetically like how the birds know which you know which uh snake is poisonous they have one one trial they can get it wrong on right so so if that was the case all birds would be dead by now right by chance right so somehow the birds know which snake not to mess with right right so there's a genetic history so so a good user interface designer knows this that what are the things that are naturally you know almost the genetic history and what are the things that our society taught you
• 69:30 - 70:00 right and how much of that you can use and so anyway so I was involved in that you help design the space ship the space suit yeah well just that's just a design that's like almost fashion it's not like not like the functional functionality not the functionality but you know but I was involved with a lot of stuff that um that more technical but I'm not a airf frame engineer I work with them but I'm not you know so anyway but I was Consulting for them for various things and wow
• 70:00 - 70:30 I I think I just realized something about you so in terms of meditation the way I see it is you basically learn how to uh quiet your immediate field to get access to the bigger field where there's more information yes and most people are just like in the immediate instance constantly splashing the pawn of their immediate field they're like all the time like the stuff that's right in front of them right in front of them so then it's the that's the immediate language you interact with the words you say that's why everybody sounds so repetitive all the time and because you're constantly excited that's where
• 70:30 - 71:00 you believe the boundaries are that's my mind but if you learn different forms of meditation what you learn is to every time it tries to get excited it's like asking you it's like hey excite me again usually you just tap right but then you learn to not tap you just wait and then eventually quiet's enough and you start seeing the further parts of the Mind where there's like more interconnected information and it's actually easier to acquire a some form of Genius in a lot of different things because you all of a sudden see oh oh I didn't realize that's
• 71:00 - 71:30 like connected oh then you start like connecting all these things right and essentially the ultimate path the Buddhist path is to stay not excited forever basically till till the moment that the full dissolution of the form just happens yeah but the degree to which you can do that that's the degree to which you how far you can see into the Mind space so to speak well you create or recreate meaning what do you mean by that meaning that you know like uh you you if you're
• 71:30 - 72:00 on a human PL plane we have a language we use all the same words same phrases and I'm looking around and I take things and I combine them and and I recreate regurgitate recycle things that already are here versus if I can get beyond that if I can shut down my language Center if I shut down the chatter right and then I also manag to even the fil filter system the filter ation which basically what we travel to the space is what some of these psychedelics do is is just jump
• 72:00 - 72:30 over that aut shortcut boom you just right there it just shoots you through the yeah yeah so so technically a little bit of a cheat but you know we we jump over but you you end up in the same space where okay I'm not bound by the language and I'm not bound by you know by the filter system so out of a sudden I have access to things that still you didn't create it because you just bring over the potential MH you you just bring over what can be but but you're outside of this reg regurgitated sort of
• 72:30 - 73:00 recycled human space you're not reusing existing stuff you have a space now to bring things over and have original thoughts I'm doing it in an air quote because you know it's just my personal belief that you're just an antenna right and but let's say you bring it for the first time here yeah that's the Innovation manifested meaning like you know we living in this three-dimensional universe that we accepted as a agreed upon reality and and by having these Meat Puppets these
• 73:00 - 73:30 exoskeletons of of meat poppets I guess I can call it that can interact with this per physical world I can create things that sculpture exist because it was somebody's idea and then that was a a non-tangible just an idea it's energy sure but it was non tangible right so that was an idea we we could argue about it like you know what what an idea is yeah that's a good question what Isa what is an idea it's energy but yeah but
• 73:30 - 74:00 it's a conscious energy so so that was first and then somebody through the exoskeleton that we can control the me puppet will physically capable of bringing that into this world the same way that I need this body and an instrument to create a guitar piece music right but but the idea The Melodies and all those things I itself we could argue about what that is and where it is from you know my my my
• 74:00 - 74:30 personal belief that there's the number of beings in a universe is one there's one field of Consciousness and we have a capacity to capture some of it yeah can you explain I thought it was fascinating how you explained last night you had the cup and you were explaining there's a lid on the cup right and through these practices whether it be meditation or whether it be smoking DMT you can basically up the lid a little bit right and access that stream of Consciousness or poke your head up above the water
• 74:30 - 75:00 right and um you explained I guess you had one experience with like 5mp where the lid just flew away so yeah basically it's a it's think about a jar has a you know has a top and you know we we can so you're compartmentalized you contain and you have access to a certain amount of processing power yes right so so processing power meaning there's a general field of Consciousness you can call it the phenomenon you can call it God you can call it whatever but it's just one giant Consciousness and and
• 75:00 - 75:30 that's all there is right and then we are as these beings have a certain capacity to to capture certain amount of that so we have Capac capacity to to contain or use or Channel a certain amount of this energy or this conscious energy and um and so basically that was the idea like you know like you you are the container we have these physical bodies at least perceived right and you know and I put my hand on a cup and look
• 75:30 - 76:00 at that's all you got and then certain meditation techniques or psychs start to create some cracks on that cup so now of a sudden you are connected to this Universal Consciousness and and if I was to take my you know hand off that cup then you are connected so so somehow you almost like you you delete the membrane can you fill the cup up more and retain some of that and save some of it you could grow Your Capacity so you grow your capacity of of
• 76:00 - 76:30 how much of that you can access on Channel or or on contain kind of like building a muscle you're growing the cup growing the cup growing the cup yeah so you have a you know and again this is we talking about something that we are using a language that these words and these concept were not Concepts were not really used or often
• 76:30 - 77:00 used right so basically we forcing ourselves to describe certain things that you know there are not really words and concept for right so so we using a very rudimentary tool when we when we talk about these things that's why it's amazing when you know when we when we go into the space and we can talk about things we both describe using language we describe certain things that we saw or happened or experienced right and and that's the amazing part that you know
• 77:00 - 77:30 we we giving you an 8bit version of a you know a 256bit experience kind of right so it's like it's a you know it's a crypto Punk of what actually happened right so so that's generally the the the issue that when we talking about these things I'm using words and Concepts that I'm kind of forcing they don't do it justice yeah it it it yeah they don't but but for the
• 77:30 - 78:00 lack of a better explanation or you know I could say that that the point is to crack that lid open or take that lid off and you know the worst part of actually coming back from the space is understanding like I'm getting Dumber by a second saying right like I feel it like man I understand everything I'm right here and then you have to come back and then you're getting Dumber by the second because as you losing that that connection or you losing that access is is like well I I've never met anybody dumb who's done a lot of DMT
• 78:00 - 78:30 everybody I've ever talked to who does a lot of DMT they're super f [ __ ] smart right well it's relative dumb compared to what you know it's it's one of those things but but I think in general with the all contemplative practices from meditation to psychedelics any seeking beyond the immediate space that we're familiar with the best part of it is the practice like the difference the main difference between the Eastern way of doing things and the Western way of doing things is then the Eastern way of doing things the emphasis is fully on
• 78:30 - 79:00 the practice and the experience of it versus the theory and the the stuff that you believe about it right the Dogma whatever it is you might believe all the stuff about Jesus but be nothing like Jesus yes and you might believe nothing about Jesus but be exactly like Jesus just by understanding certain things about life about experience and the point of you know well in vas for example the main the main point is to keep your lid open as long as you
• 79:00 - 79:30 possibly can and you don't resist and you don't push and then what you watch happening is that all these little Wiggles that trying to convince you that something is important right now eventually when enough time passes and that thing expresses itself fully you realize it wasn't and then there's only so many times this can happen to you before you realizeit say that again all the little Wiggles yeah so the little Wiggles what I mean is that all these little things that all the little convictions you have
• 79:30 - 80:00 of like what you quote unquote must do right now right you're like you sit there we can make it specific you sit there you just basically you know you scan your body in a particular way you're trying to do that and thoughts constantly interrupt right like oh I got to itch this place so that that's a that's a simple one right everybody familiar with that okay well what happens if you don't itch so the conviction in the immediate moment the Mind goes like Oh the world's like I got to itch like that's not a what if like no we got to itch right now okay and
• 80:00 - 80:30 then you practice like okay well then let's stay five more seconds M and then you wait and then eventually that itch goes away like it never existed and that feeling of complete conviction that you have to itch goes away with it so this so This sounds like oh that's just like an itch well everything is like this the thought of was like oh whoa I got to call this person right now cuz is I don't know like they're going to get upset or like all these stories you have right okay if I mean listen if it's
• 80:30 - 81:00 important and you know they need to get in your house to fix something okay I get it but you don't need to panic about it but usually most things are not as important as we believe they are yeah and the point is that the stress that is created in our bodies because we are convinced that we have to do X or Y are actually a much bigger problem than any X or Y so basically what you practice is how do you let things go literally not in terms of how do you not push not pull
• 81:00 - 81:30 if something is Pleasant how do you not get attached to it like oh I want more of that or if something unpleasant happens how do you not immediately recoil and try and push it away versus like hey you can fix it if it's uncomfortable but you don't need to like freak out about it it's like okay how do I just stay with it for a second that's really the main practice now from that from that simple practice you start understanding that really it's the concentric circles the the fractal of life everything is like this so when you try and get to like a solution to
• 81:30 - 82:00 something complicated Under Pressure you can be more or less successful in it but you will for sure be more successful in it more more of the times if you can have a more quiet mind a mind that is not constantly trying to compete with a million ideas of what's important what's not important if you know how to quiet that pond the right ideas find you immediately it's like it's almost like as obvious as I just got to pick up this cup yeah versus all these competition that happens in your mind so I think that ultimately
• 82:00 - 82:30 when you're looking at all the practices meditative practices and the psychedelics the leid part is just the realization that your immediate space is not everything and most of the time you don't have to make as much effort to achieve things as you think you do it's more of just your neuros neuros I never know how to pronounce that word how do you say how do you say that word what what is the word Neurosis Neurosis Neurosis there you go neuros the Hungarian guy yeah that's the
• 82:30 - 83:00 Hungarian guy correct neuros Neurosis so your Neurosis is basically the thing that really uh convinces you that something is wrong when in reality you could have just relaxed and not say anything so this is like this is actually a perfect example right now right so it's making you like basically this is basically you're comparing something like myopia of the mind to forest for the trees I was I just want to say this was super interesting for me I'm watching you guys talk and every
• 83:00 - 83:30 single thing you guys are saying is so fascinating to me and I'm like and I'm like o yeah I like I I want I want to say this thing about it right and then I was like okay but then you just wait a second and then oh it was it was expressed I was like oh perfect but but imagine how much of this happens in life right where you just like kind of like oh I got to I got to I got to do this I was like well what was your goal your goal was that that idea would be expressed well it was just expressed so don't worry about it right
• 83:30 - 84:00 yeah just relax just relax but that is very difficult to do because we always want the the the self-expression and we want to in some in some way to existence is already implying you there and if you can be comfortable with not being implied the degree to which you can be comfortable with not being implied is the the exact degree to which you're free because if you're okay to be completely to dissolve into the
• 84:00 - 84:30 background that's essentially Nirvana you just it doesn't matter you just kind of float there now given that's a that's a very difficult thing to achieve because you know but that's really that that is the ultimate seed of the ultimate path where there's really you can enjoy whatever happens and you can you know you can go through very difficult times when they do happen but the the extra suffering on top of it with all the inner struggle of the mind doesn't actually have to be there and
• 84:30 - 85:00 you can just let it go it it almost it seems so counterintuitive to the way uh civilization is going right because like everything we do like everyone is just in such a rush to get [ __ ] done you know and it's like to what end that's what makes te technology Advance that's what makes things more convenient that's what makes more money and like that's what's pushed our Society so far like to where it is now to where we literally have self-driving cars and headsets where you can [ __ ]
• 85:00 - 85:30 [ __ ] other people across the world on and like all this crazy [ __ ] but but that's a great example like in a company there's never even when they say uh uh you know they have an upward driven Trend right but when like a company cannot stand the idea that there's a downwards trend of some sort like there's a flux in everything right so if over 20 years the company always makes money but some years it goes a little down the year that it goes a little down everybody are
• 85:30 - 86:00 losing their minds yes why you know what I mean like it's just part of a natural flow like if if if if the company's constantly losing money is just not working okay that's a different story but if you can have like you said the the myopic nature of it is a perfect perfect way of describing it it's if you can just relax around the down downwards Trends which is literally in everything you can't escape in stock market in in in in natural processes in your life in lit sell sell sell sell Bye by bye bye
• 86:00 - 86:30 by and again it's okay do another line exactly no and this is why I keep saying you know I'm like I'm I love technology but it's absolutely true that if we don't if we have everything and yet we still can't enjoy it what's the point of having everything right yeah it's finding that balance basically so I think that's what we were talking about is is the end of of childhood for end of spiritual spiritual childhood for this planet is coming that's why these
• 86:30 - 87:00 conversations and especially exploring these spaces we when we talk about psychic and DMT is is coming because because what you guys right now talk about or talking about is this chaos what's happening on this planet this this chaos comes comes from a a very simple place again none of us know what the hell is going on what is our purpose why are we here what is it we supposed
• 87:00 - 87:30 to do yes and in that chaos of not knowing what we supposed to do is where all this happens let's build this let's build that like there are obvious things that we as humans we trying to get away as far possible let's say physical labor and difficulties so we build machines and we we build help that alleviate that that necessity now eventually we going there when when human labor will be completely eliminated right um or most
• 87:30 - 88:00 of it will be eliminated Ai and technology and robots will do most of those things and and when that happens that will be a massive change how this planet behaves because once human labor is unnecessary that that will crush completely the financial systems because you if you don't work how do you afford the things that are being produced and so that will completely change how money and finances and everything works and how Society works also it will give you
• 88:00 - 88:30 the freedom like now you can do really whatever the hell you wanted to do because your physical label is not necessary also the exploitation of that will has to end because we don't need you to you know seed and and and harvest those you know I don't know rice crops or whatever the hell or you don't need to go and mine because robots are doing that right so that that is coming that is definitely coming and but there's the spiritual side of that that that we going back to the times where you know the the great philosophers from from
• 88:30 - 89:00 ancient times when we they had the time to sit around and think about what the hell is going on right and so so I think our society or or our species I should say is going back to that point where we we will what we doing and core is what what what we talking about what our connection is like me me and Danny you know and a bunch of people who are in this space talking about is like okay there are answers in that space and and
• 89:00 - 89:30 and Humanity the enter species needs to figure this out the because again there's science is science important yeah but what science is is is basically looking for answers for the same question why are we here what's going on or if you just think about uh if if science is looking for explanations well thanks you explained how it works but that doesn't give me the answer why am I here still so if you can scientifically explain how I exist or scientifically explain the
• 89:30 - 90:00 processes and my biology and all that stuff cute awesome yay right but still did not answer the ultimate question what the hell is going on why are we here why this is happening the way that science is done now I feel like it basically decided that there's one modality to understand the world yes so the original question was always what is going on right and then people came came about went about it in different ways through religious uh Phil religion philosophy fill in the blank right
• 90:00 - 90:30 science came along and it was another way of coming at what's going on yeah but it produced a certain amount of tangible goods through that method that kind of verified it on a different level because it made something that everybody can see regardless to their you know inner seekings like they just like oh it made a camera i' made this and made that and it is a very very strong tool but I think what the confusion became then is
• 90:30 - 91:00 that that is the ultimate modality where of course it isn't so like I always say that science yeah well capital S science for me in the grand scheme of things has to be just the Enterprise of human understanding that's it which should include all the inner science which is like the what it's like to be you what it's like to be a society it has to do with everything that is contained within what we call existence including experience and everything else so contemplative science is part of science Capital as science and it's only when
• 91:00 - 91:30 we're going to start understanding that it's one project and bringing it together so like the technical stuff but also the hard problem of Consciousness like what is actually the connection between Consciousness and all the technical stuff and how it works and what Zan was alluding to is that I we just started code of reality Inc so I guess it it will it's just in its infancy and I as all to be on the the board of directors just to kind of help guide the process he has a lot of experience both in you know building things understanding what works MH and
• 91:30 - 92:00 our ultimate goal is to basically bring as many smart people from all the possible domains together to work on this problem without feeling the pressure of either being ridiculed or like we want to create a coherent picture of what it's like to have what we call capital L science so like the human the Enterprise human understanding science well not institutionalizes more like how do you create a container for people to come together there's there's already thing by the way this is not necessarily
• 92:00 - 92:30 that so there's uh you know there are scientific Endeavors that are doing it in that way or starting to do it in that way uh um Santa Fe Institute are doing that that's a known thing they bring interdisciplinary um uh Minds onto a project so like if they have a problem in engineering they would still bring philosophers or even musicians to think about the problem together because there's certain understandings from other domains that are much more holistic if you if you approach it that
• 92:30 - 93:00 way now and that those are very important things and we want to create something that will put even a bigger emphasis on the fact that hey you bring a neuroscientist a physicist a really like experienced psychonaut yeah work together to understand cuz I keep hearing these like people think they're somehow domain shouldn't be talking to each other they'll say like why you talking about your experience with DMT from the perspective of physics I'm like what do you mean like what why wouldn't I like it's part of whatever's going on
• 93:00 - 93:30 right like yeah but that that's something has to do with the mind I like wait a second yeah is whatever the mind not somehow related to everything else that is physical and this is super smart people and they they keep there's this there's this confusion that somehow there's this separation because of the domains that we've created in our minds no that's biology it has nothing to do with physics what are you talking about of course it has to do with physics we just understand that connection so we want to create a container for people to express themselves in that environment in a way that will build towards a
• 93:30 - 94:00 common goal versus just having like a patchy kind of interaction online that sometimes maybe somebody will stumble upon some information somebody else did in a different domain we want to bring it together and there's also it's also by Nature this thing you can't really study this thing with the scientific method and which one specifically with the DMT with the DMT experience and with the laser like it's me G def Define science right right like reductive science like the reductive uh method of solving a or figuring out what the [ __ ]
• 94:00 - 94:30 is going on here right like I don't I don't agree I think it's just broader so I think it's just like how wide the ontology you include so right now if you can't you can't actually put it in a [ __ ] on a on a scale and weigh it you right but you're talking about science when we look at science from the observation point of I majure I measure and I verify processes and see if it's repeatable right yes exactly but here's the thing is it repeatable yes because we are going regardless of the method regardless of what way and it is a
• 94:30 - 95:00 chemical process so this is scientific something happens that a molecule gets introduced to your mind and out of a sudden switch something on that I can access spaces that otherwise unaccessible to me and when an other person and many of us you know doing the same thing and then we can talk about verifiably this same thing that you see the same things in that place right even if you even as a scientist you well you
• 95:00 - 95:30 guys all hallucinating it is pretty strange if you're hallucinating the same things so it needs to be explored right so you know what the science look at things like it's science if it's repeatable and verifiable well you know we you can talk about a lot of Psychonauts and they going to tell you draw you the same let's say beings that they saw the same places that they saw right so it's verifiably verifiably we have similar experiences so that means we absolutely as as a species we need to explore this
• 95:30 - 96:00 right beside you know your body generates DMT right so your lungs and your your mind is manufacturing this to begin with C right so you know so so needs to be now if if I just go from the individual perspective and say okay um I'm in the space and I am seeing structures incredible structures like like incredible complicated Cathedral like structures right where an aam is child's
• 96:00 - 96:30 toy compared to what I'm seeing okay then you know let's say if let's say I'm I'm hallucinating all right let's go with that right if I am then clearly my mind is capable of of creating such complicated structures that was before unknown to me if my mind can imagine these incredible things on its own that means I need to step out of the way and let this mind Roam and create and BR bring these things here yeah or I am
• 96:30 - 97:00 going to something that exist something that is tangible and this is when you know the scientists drop off like oh you know we don't but if I can go back to the same places which I can I've been mapping this for over a decade and going to same places have familiar places and then we have conversations with people who also going into this space that that's what I mean like childhood ends this conversation is now out in the open I haven't been talking about this but I
• 97:00 - 97:30 am because now a lot of people start to understand so we have common references if 15 years ago I told you or told anyone this they would look at me like you're crazy we have to have a common reference now enough people being in this place when we have common reference it's there's a common Library even words that we use people talk about the machine elves yeah and everybody knows what you're talking about whoever being came from Terren right right but but the thing is like when you have many many many people saying the same thing then
• 97:30 - 98:00 it's like okay there's something to this obviously right so if that's the case then then these places we going to are more likely to exist than not and what would fulfill the scientific you know question here that if we can talk about the same place completely independently describe it to each other many of us and it aligns it parallels then absolutely we need to explore this so I think I think it's it's an absolute necessity that's why I said there's four casts there are child that the flower
• 98:00 - 98:30 Childs that jump into the space and like woohoo colors and explosions awesome there's that then the scientific Minds The the Explorers like us who go into this place and okay what's happening here we're going in there with a purpose and a question and and and explore and then there's the scientists who would like to measure things and looking from the outside and there are research on this right but they're not researching it with using the molecule so you cannot have the experience that's that's you know it's
• 98:30 - 99:00 like that's a difficult that that's the barrier right there and there are the unaware who have no idea this is to be fair dmtx is doing that but I would say they are one facet of a much larger attempt at this and it shouldn't be limited to the way they're doing it and I I think the main difference to what you said about that it I guess you can't can't quantify it that's because you didn't have a wide enough of a sample of it so it was
• 99:00 - 99:30 repeatable but not repeatable enough right now it's repeatable enough because you have more people doing it more often and they can actually so you had Dennis on right the legendary Dennis McKenna yeah wa wait wonderful book uh the the that that he wrote about Brotherhood from the Str Incredible Book um and here's the thing what happened to him was particular interesting to me because he was the one experiencing this incredible opening of whatever happened to them in ler era and it is also the
• 99:30 - 100:00 thing that made him recoil and go a different route into science and then somehow through science he acquired this this separation factor that I feel that that when you trained in proper science it happens because you basically are trained to be less and less fooled by your own uh inadequacies and thoughts and all of that stuff but it's almost like you're now being convinced that there is no place to your convictions and all the stuff that you
• 100:00 - 100:30 experiencing and the truth is that everything we do is just conviction in the aggregate everything we do like I always say especially in Neuroscience is some consensus between what we can see that the brain is doing at the time that somebody's reporting something yeah and then we just collect that data over many many individuals but that's cash value is from somebody reporting something to you right so if you have enough of a sample and this is where things like the code actually come into play because
• 100:30 - 101:00 they're repeatable enough for you to potentially try and actually probe in a way that you would anything else in science it's not like when you go and see the beings is like well describe to me the being well uh it was a big spider wait was it purple no it was black interesting okay but you saw a purple one yeah hm I wonder how many years it would take us to get reach any kind of consensus this way especially because we know that the worst kind of data point on the planet is here say bi a witness right so it's like okay you have to be able to record directly from the brain
• 101:00 - 101:30 right but if you have something as concrete as the code you can potentially do like perturbations to it see if actually something changes now it might pen out to different degree and not pen out to other degrees but that gives you the that gives you the freedom to actually exploit in that way now to be fair again you know uh specifically with the code people like gamore in a very good faith way from a scientific standpoint say well you know I do think that with all my expertise I'm saying that yes there are hallucinations that should be able to be mapped on this
• 101:30 - 102:00 perfectly as you're describing fair enough let's explore that proposition there must be ways the question should never be like can you explain it away with science it should be okay is there a Counterpoint to what I'm saying yes great let's explore how we can dis discern then whether it is what A or B we should come up with experiments to make the discernment versus saying can science explain it in the way that we perceive it currently sure but we should explore how it explains it and maybe
• 102:00 - 102:30 what we should question is certain assumptions that sign makes about the world because I think at this point it's pretty clear that at least physicalism as it's perceived in the most uh you know naive way of it which is like there's just physical matter and then they're just Au rising from physical matter I think that's pretty clearly out so I think it was really interesting what gallamore said on that video he was is explaining um what you explained in the podcast was this term called object Hood yeah so it's like this idea of and
• 102:30 - 103:00 correct me if I'm [ __ ] this up but like you you see I see this can right and I know it's a can because I've seen this a million times before right and I know it's on the table because I've seen this table a million times before blah blah blah blah but if it's the first time I've seeing this can I'm going to be like whoa like it's going to like freak I'm not going to know what to think of it because I don't have any sort of frame of reference for this can right to know that it's real and it's sitting here on this table just a small correction I think matters it wouldn't be the can it would be a can that is of
• 103:00 - 103:30 a completely different gal so you have what's called gal so they basically frames right so you have this is the way we perceive the world at the moment you can think of this level of qualia for each and every one of us as a gal so it's like okay that it has a quality to it that I recognize that I never think about because it's the water I women but this can is part of the Gish it's like it's I know so if another can appears with a different writing on it you're not GNA freak out just like why does it say you know this these letters right
• 103:30 - 104:00 well what happens in DMD which is why it's so interesting to so many people that there's no argument about that the reason it's so unique is because it's a completely different gestal like it's a completely different thing that you've never experienced before if you've never done it before that would be equivalent to that Ken you just describing mhm but even in that space uh and this is where it gets kind of dicey because on the one hand Gore's point is the reason that DMT is so interesting from a neuroscientific perspective is that it seems to be
• 104:00 - 104:30 extremely coherent and we know the brain is not just receiving like a camera but it basically does a lot of guess work according to what everybody knows to happen so it's projecting from the inside so if something immediately became uh comes to you that you've never seen before over a completely different flavor and it's super coherent well that's difficult to explain in neurological terms because the brain is not just again receiving like a camera it should have some some form of uh inner representation of it with the case of the code and this is why it's very
• 104:30 - 105:00 unsatisfying because you kind of have to see it to really understand that point there's when you project the laser on the surface the reason that it's very difficult to postulate that it's somehow the result of the light hitting that particular surface in a particular way combined with a really psychedelic substance because whatever you see is not even on the surface it's like it's almost like you're now seeing a Subspace that is hovering within our space and it
• 105:00 - 105:30 goes infinitely into the z-axis with extreme coherence and it doesn't kind of dissipate as you would expect a random pattern to be it just it's it's a completely coherent framework it's its own Gestalt and it's completely coherent on its own and your eyes are open once you is not so correct me from I've only done DMT so when you see stuff is it typically in 3D space when your eyes are open or is most of the stuff you see with your eyes closed you mean in DMT in
• 105:30 - 106:00 general yeah it depends what you do like anything yeah like remember when you you saw the console it's a choice you can choose it's a choice yeah you can choose both so some of it would be this is why it's dicey because some of it would be mapped on as a result of the extreme uh condition that your brain is under and in that way your brain might be transforming some things you already see and transforming it into something else okay but the claim that we're making is there's other things that are not the result of that they actually exist and you become aware of them so now the
• 106:00 - 106:30 question is how do you discern how do you make that discernment yeah which is where the the conversation around the word object comes in gammer's correction just to be super fair to what I said on your latest podcast was that uh Anil Seth is using the word object Hood not to describe some objective component of what real objects would would have mhm now I it's not actually what I was saying but I understand his correction because maybe it came across as if I was
• 106:30 - 107:00 saying that so I'm not saying that object hood that quality that Anil Seth is talking about is somehow an objective component and this is how we can discern what's real and what's not real but it is a good enough of a parameter to use to triangulate what might be more that thing that just exists and we become aware of versus the thing that is like a hallucination where it's just a something your brain saw that is now incorporating into a larger cognitive
• 107:00 - 107:30 structure that it's making it by itself because for all intents and purposes the one point that is constantly being missed what is physical matter because in the end of the day even if it's all mind even if it's idealism and you know mind is the most fundamental thing whatever you picture about the world something is regular enough that you can't walk through the wall right and I actually asked this when we when I was out with Gore we were like meeting face to face and I asked him like but what is in the in the context of everything you
• 107:30 - 108:00 know right how would you define what's out there like what is this physical thing and he goes like the multi-billion dollar question man like that is the question because even if you do believe that everything is spiritual stuff ultimately something is happening that prevents you from going through the wall yeah and that that there's a rule set and that part is constantly being overlooked by modern neuroscientists it seems that they're saying no but it's all you know it's all mine like sure but
• 108:00 - 108:30 we have to talk about what is it that gives it this quality of being physical because there's clearly a difference between that and what I'm like there's a reason why it's so difficult to manipulate the physical stuff and it's so much easier to manipulate the Mind stuff right there's there's a lack of malleability there that needs to be talked about this is why physics has to enter the picture and you have to combine our understanding of physics because there yes there are abstractions nobody has ever seen an atom and all of that jazz sure that's true however these
• 108:30 - 109:00 abstractions help us to understand certain functionalities that we can make predictions on and it checks out so like the reason we can build complicated things is because we understand something about these processes so how do these processes then connect to what we call Consciousness not just from a philosophical perspective because where DMT is is exactly this margin it is the Event Horizon between the physical and the non-physical because it is so
• 109:00 - 109:30 profoundly real and at the same time not physical so it kind of you know like the Event Horizon is like that's where quantum physics and and classical physics meet because it's such a extreme condition extreme conditions allow us to investigate the deeper parts of nature DMT is an extreme condition that allows us to probe into that question what is the connection between the physical and the non-physical like look at your dreams you can have a a dream where your eyes are closed but you're dreaming on
• 109:30 - 110:00 of the beach there's light on the beach right your eyes are closed but you experiencing in your dream of full color the smell the feel then you can have even lucid dream that you wake up from I'm not even sure at the moment when you wake up like oh was that real oh my God he's still almost physically affected by The Dream what happened there right how real is that and what's the difference between right now and the dream right
• 110:00 - 110:30 right and there so there's this idea that not proven yet but the idea is that DMT is the reason that that's the fuel for the dreams for the dreams right that's the fuel fuel from the dream dreams and so when we talk about that event horizon right and you looking at the the dream and how real is that and how real is this right uh the only difference is when you talk about the
• 110:30 - 111:00 the minds work it's the same the only difference is that that in this reality that we perceive if I move this cup and I wake up tomorrow it will be still there right so wherever it is tomorrow I come back and it will be there so there is some some kind of permanence of of this when we and the code has that right that's what I meant by the code has object to it's clear to you it's there yeah just by
• 111:00 - 111:30 observing it so now it's very difficult in linguistic terms to so to give you the you know people now email me all the time obviously with like billion theories right and there are as many theories as there are people right that's the easy part you can come up with all kinds of theories what I'm personally interested in is what is it that we can postulate about the world along the lines of what we're talking about here with like the connection between Consciousness and physicality that is actionable repeatable
• 111:30 - 112:00 testable most of it will not pan out just like in everything else in science but my point is it should squarely fall within the purview of what mainstream science is and it should stop being this Mar margin thing that we're doing because it is the central substance of what in fact is going on we have to be able to say something concretely about what it is instead of keep relying on very vague General statements like well the brain is a very powerful machine
• 112:00 - 112:30 like okay well you said nothing cuz like sure you just said I have a magic wand that can do anything that didn't explain nothing so like what is it that that magic wand is doing specifically to make a or b or c happen and how it relates to what we can actually probe what you know I'm I'm in the habit of talking some of about some of my ideas but only to illustrate that there are concrete ways along which we're thinking about this they might not pan out but here are propositions what I'm trying to do is to
• 112:30 - 113:00 encourage more smart people to think about this in these terms in serious terms I think the holographic principle is exactly correct and there is a way to map so the holographic principle is a principle in physics I think we talked about it a little bit last time but essentially I want to see if we can map onto what is happening with the laser and us and the universe in term in terms of a hologram what is each component in the in the in the setup of a hologram that maps onto what our real world is
• 113:00 - 113:30 because the holographic principle is one of the most promising frames in physics at the moment so I think it's exactly correct which is that we are a holographic projection from a two-dimensional filament I think we're a three-dimensional projection from a from a four-dimensional sorry four-dimensional projection from a three-dimensional filament but that will take us far a field but I think that in a hologram you have The Source light coming in it's being split by a beam splitter each beam goes Its separate ways this one goes to a set of two
• 113:30 - 114:00 mirrors or one mirror and this one goes to a set to two mirrors or one mirror and then this one goes to an object hits a screen okay that screen records the information that the beam hit after you already pass the object so if the the the first beam comes from here hits the mic from the mic it goes to a screen the screen records the information just like in a photo yeah okay now the difference between a photo and a hologram is that the second beam that was split from the original beam comes from the set of
• 114:00 - 114:30 mirrors from the side now and it meets this first beam here right before it hits the surface so it's stereoscopic essentially it it measures not just the amplitude but also the the phase shift and that gives you this ability to basically measure more information about from all directions of the whatever it hit the mic in this case instead of just hitting the two-dimensional imprint of the mic okay so what I think here's one proposition of to how to think about this problem and we'll see if it checks
• 114:30 - 115:00 out I think that we our Consciousness whatever it is is the ref this is called the reference light the one that comes from here so I think we are the reference light literally our Consciousness is a form of light it's a reference light that hits the source light they came from here and where they meet the source light and the and the reference light where's the source like coming from big question so that might be the source God whatever you want to call it okay if you want to use esoterics I don't know what the source is I have no
• 115:00 - 115:30 idea whatever started at all okay but where they meet at the sheet which in our case I would say it's the bulk which is spacetime okay the the sheet that registers everything is the substrate of the whatever physical matter is whatever SpaceTime is okay so when the reference light and the source light meet that instance together with the bulk they create the the triangle that creates conscious moment conscious moment conscious moment
• 115:30 - 116:00 it's the information being registered in real time and I call it the Pistons of Consciousness like it's that of like instances of actual Consciousness now this sounds super theoretical esoteric cool I think there's a way to map this in a way that is testable because we can say okay if this is the reference light and this is the if we are the reference light certain things would be true and other things would not be true like what are they uh for example there would be an
• 116:00 - 116:30 related angle to perception specifically with light so defraction for example that would yield a certain kind of observation the second we get to the details of it and wouldn't yield other kinds of observation so if I make the turn 30 30° it would create a certain coherence of the image and if I go 50° it might not create the same amount of now we have to get to the det that and I need a lot smarter people than myself to actually like think about that because there's a lot of math involved but here's an example of how
• 116:30 - 117:00 you can think about this specifically you have to come up with a theoretical framework that would lend itself perfectly for experimentation and then you have to run the tests ah we tried 30° didn't work that must have been wrong as fan famously said if it disagrees with experiment it's wrong that's the part that I feel that is missing you either have people that are so far deep into the experiential side side they they simply don't care about experiment they just want to keep everything being whatever they think it is and you have the other side the extreme on the other side which you have
• 117:00 - 117:30 you have this form of rigidity where people just go like no it's only where can we can verify with external tools yes that's another component of it I agree but it is not the whole picture there's certain things that we as the collectors of data that we are can experience that at the moment other instruments can't and that should be taken into account it complicates things I agree because people have aspirations ideas confabulations we're not a perfect you know thing but even though it complicates things it's the only way to
• 117:30 - 118:00 go because you have to include what we're experiencing if we see that we can you know recruit the right kind of people that are interested in finding out what's true instead of you know constantly just believing whatever it is so you have to kind of bring it to a central point where you both take into account the hard experiments but you also take into account our uh agreements of what we think is going on in that instance and then some get but this is just an example I'm not saying it will necessarily pen out but there are ways
• 118:00 - 118:30 to think about these things yes in concrete ways and I want to encourage more of that and I and I do think that actually explains quite a bit so for example if you look at a hologram from the side like a regular hologram right if you can Envision it if you notice the third the reason I'm saying we're four-dimensional hologram and not a third dimensional uh hologram is because the h on a on a when you look at it it's actually three-dimensional only in it's implied because it's a two-dimensional
• 118:30 - 119:00 sheet the third dimension is implied the fact that it looks like it has depth right but there's no actual degree of Freedom if you would be that hologram you you can't actually move in the third Direction you just it's just implied but you can move in two degrees of freedom you can't you can't walk around it and and see it from if you would be that hologram you can't right but we can move in three dimensions which means we can't Poss the third one is not implied the third one is actual which means so there has to be one more Dimension that is implied and I'm claiming that's time the
• 119:00 - 119:30 reason we cannot move in time on our whim because time is implied it seems to be there this the the the change from moment to moment that we experience seems to be there just like the third dimension is implied in a hologram but we have three degrees of freedom so we are a four-dimensional hologram projected from on a two-dimensional sheet which is the bulk which is spacetime itself now you can say well the bulk is actually four-dimensional I'm saying that time is actually implied
• 119:30 - 120:00 the bulk is the surface of it is three-dimensional and again this actually lends itself to real experimentation like is there ways to curve the surface in a way that we can see that if we do that then time would appear to move slower or faster depending on our perception of it which we know to actually happen right and again this is what we can do forward are we can do forward time travel like that's been proven well at least your perception of it is right like you you it's like the somebody charges you $50 to move 50 minutes in the future and
• 120:00 - 120:30 then you just go in there it's like okay it will take you 50 minutes to move 50 minutes in time you have to somehow explain what appears to us to be the case in terms of what we think the largest structure is which is what the business that physics is in right it's just that it's constantly omitting the first person experience and I'm saying you cannot AIT it anymore you have to somehow explain right the fact that we're experiencing things a certain way it's part of existence and Neuroscience
• 120:30 - 121:00 will tell you well you know these perceptions these apparent time changes in your perception they're just in your perception fair enough but is there a way to test for that is there is it possible that time for you is actually moving slower just like physically it's moved slower closer to a mass in physics is it possible that it's actually your brain is taking less comp ational step is it possible that it's actually moving slower because of whatever happens in your mind I don't know but the I'm I'm claiming there's a there's a way to
• 121:00 - 121:30 discern these things and it needs to be entertained more seriously in that way whoa I'm I'm going to pretend like I understood everything you just said and then you can ask a question about time is there such thing yeah just a perception of it yeah well well that's that's an interesting idea right the the perception of time and and time being a
• 121:30 - 122:00 dimension um and like how does how does the dimension of time specifically relate to DMT I don't I don't know I one one thing before you jump into that I do want to say it because it's important we just conducted the first official magnets experiment that fall intens purposes I think I think most likely is actually bunk like I think it actually doesn't work okay but here's an example of us actually trying something
• 122:00 - 122:30 okay I doesn't see something happened there one time actually with my fiance weirdly enough all the subjects including myself we couldn't see any difference so the the the experiment was we put a magnet behind the surface we projected the laser on the surface from the other side we smoked the Mt we look at it and I thought we're going to see some change because of the if a magnet is powerful enough in the back behind the the surface so if I if I just have a sheet of paper I put a magnet here so you can't see it from here right and
• 122:30 - 123:00 then you project the laser from this side yep and then I'm smoking the empty and I'm seeing the code I thought that if the magnet is powerful enough I would be able to see some kind of a change from this side that will tell me where the magnet is even though I can't see the magnet you understand understand yeah I couldn't nothing no change so far for us no however there was one instance where we have to we had a camera from above that sees like like almost like sees both sides at the same time uh my fiance she just kind of jumped in and
• 123:00 - 123:30 she just like uh we probably Aaron got very mad He's like We can't use this for the fil like okay but for the experiments that might be viable she she saw well she didn't see but she I guess guessed five times in a row the magnet was exactly H so that was strange because I have to admit I didn't see any difference okay so either there's some other component here we don't understand or she just got super lucky I don't know we have to look through the data but I just I I just want to emphasize this because this is how it should be this is
• 123:30 - 124:00 how people should go about this they should try whatever it is they think that might work I don't know I don't know why we didn't think of actually putting cuz we had not that powerful magnets but they were pretty powerful like 100 PB magnets and we should have used more of them like also on the laser itself to see if anything and we had uh um my good friend Pablo is an engineer he helped us create the rotating magnets experiment by Persinger uh create help us create a device who by the way was suggested by John Chavez shout out to John who also by the way
• 124:00 - 124:30 invested in our film quite a bit so thank you John and uh basically the rotating magnets is something we can maybe put the laser in between and rotating the magnets and see if that does a difference we didn't do that we're learning the point the larger point is there should be more of that we should just test this in this way and if it doesn't pan out doesn't out but we're going to keep trying and I want to encourage more of that this insistence that the I where I feel that I mostly
• 124:30 - 125:00 depart with the way that Andrew uh chooses to go about this again I have tremendous respect for him and I you know we had since then really great conversations but where I would openly disagree with him is that there's this insistence that DMT is so crazy that there's no way anytime soon we will ever be to make sense of it I'm saying that attitude actually shoots you in the foot cuz if you decided that of course you're not going to make progress you have to believe that it's possible
• 125:00 - 125:30 to actually discern certain things yeah and maybe even he does think that in other ways maybe he just disagrees with the specific way which I'm doing it but this is the way I choose to go about it and I want to encourage more people to do that and not to get caught up in what they want to be true if it doesn't work out say it doesn't work so we can proceed to the next thing so we can try another thing so we all think about it together well I think I and one of the things that he said which struck me was um or one of the questions that he asked was what makes this code any more
• 125:30 - 126:00 real than anything else that you see in the DMT world right like for example it's closer to what this is it appears closer to what this table is so it's it's it's it's always the same thing no matter who it is no it's as real I'm claiming it's as real as Jupiter is there there that's what makes it different huh so like when you explained that console
• 126:00 - 126:30 thing that you saw you you explained that sitting in 3D space that was anchored yeah it's just exists in to the floor you could walk around it and see all around this whole thing that was there so it was similar to that I see it all the time so that would be the equivalent of oh you still see it all the time 100% of the time every time I smoke every time you smoke you see the console oh yeah holy [ __ ] did I send you the our llo our VR guy well he's much more than a VR guy but he's also a VR guy uh he created a like a fully immersive environment with the
• 126:30 - 127:00 representation of the console in it and it really delivers how real it is now this is like zultan says an 8bit version of the real thing so but it delivers how real that is for me but that's just me the reason the console is much less impactful is because I can't I don't know what to do to make other people see the console oh right oh but I can show you the code you don't you don't use any sort of external devices like the laser to see the console the console just disappear it's it's as real as this mic
• 127:00 - 127:30 for me by the way the console just a small anecdote and unrelated to not going to be that interesting probably but the console was doing something when we were shooting that experiment that it never did before usually the console opens up and it has a lot of sections all over the room and only the very small sliver of menus come and like follows me but the rest of the console just kind of hovers in the room it's almost like the body of the console right it has different sections MH one of the sections The More Physical sections the the one that is just always there yeah came out and started scanning
• 127:30 - 128:00 the people who were looking at the laser I've never seen that before yeah it was like a plate that came off it and they start it was scanning them like it was interested in what we were doing I've never seen that before again this is one of these like you know trip report I don't know what to do with that it's it's not uh people say hey can you release the next video the console cuz I'm working on one I'm like dude I I need to have some information there that I didn't have the first time and I don't have that yet I want to I want to say
• 128:00 - 128:30 something new I don't want to just keep repeating you know what we already said and if I'm not sure I'm not sure Z how many times have you seen this code so um maybe four four times four times but you know the the idea is that eventually this will reach a critical mass um you know there was a time when we had an idea of what geocentric you know Universe right and who thought that was geocentric the scientist it it wasn't the the workers in the field you know it was a scientists who agreed to and you
• 128:30 - 129:00 know so there a scientific class agreed to something that wasn't the case and then came you know Copernicus Galo there were there were people who thought well I don't think that's the case right and at the time that was the craziest idea it almost costus their lives they definitely caus their freedom right and it it had to reach a critical mass where where it it flips people start to be interested in this deeper because there's a critical
• 129:00 - 129:30 mass of people right and that's what so that's that that's kind of what's Happening that you know like what what what Danny was explaining is that he's actually approaching it in a very scientific way right of you know scientific mind will get into the space and will try to uh analyze it and and and that's the point of these experiments that is there a scientific way to uh prove beyond the anecdotes that there is a code we all s it right
• 129:30 - 130:00 that's that's an anecdote and how do you physically prove that but eventually there going to be enough people to see this code that's what I mean by a critical mass will happen or enough people Venture in this space that's why I said end of childhood spiritually that more and more people Venture in this space and our anecdotes start to you know be parallel right when it's just simply not you know I'm coming from a
• 130:00 - 130:30 pragmatic more a spiritual Direction than scientific Direction when I'm just pragmatically saying like you know when 10,000 people say that hey man I saw this and our and our experiences are verifiable in a way that there's a there's a mass of people that saw this right then it's it's not it's not possible to ignore anymore it it is asking for the um it is asking for the scientific Community like well we got to
• 130:30 - 131:00 look at this mhm right and the whole idea of basically creating the in go the the DMT Tad talks that you know that a uh a community that can start comparing notes and then there is enough data just alone by Witnesses right then is is it tangible evidence well you know when 100 people saw you rob the bank you probably rob the bank it's just one of
• 131:00 - 131:30 those things so by the way did I tell you that we might have figured out a way to see the code without the molecule no what yeah so David Carter The Other Board member uh who approached me a few months ago uh with the opening line you don't know be but I've been following you for a while mhm which is uh and disconcerting prob get that a lot yeah no no he's he's he's incredible uh Carter is incredible so he basically I
• 131:30 - 132:00 guess the best way to describe as uh who he is is a large he would say is a uh organizational expert but I think he's a large scale Problem Solver so basically he worked from everything from government projects software development is big into crypto and AI now he understands what makes big processes work he even worked on some classified uh um you know uh projects and he said look uh about a year ago back then when
• 132:00 - 132:30 he reached out to me I ordered the laser I saw the code I never reached out to you but I started basically talking about it in my circles and because I have a certain reputation people listen to me he said when I would go to these conferences I would like when we at the end of whatever you know conference we are I would like whip out the laser and start showing them and they said wait what were you showing them is like well here's the thing I have a certain kind of reputation so this was a prop I was removing one more step for them to venture into so like instead of me
• 132:30 - 133:00 telling them there's this laser I'm like oh here's the laser and I would just turn it on it's just a simple defract laser but I was telling them like I've tried this I've seen the code and I'm explaining where you would see it and people got so interested because they are looking for this like next step of like understanding so David recently told me that I haven't seen it myself yet but he is you know there's a certain uh well reputation that he has with like being accurate with what he's saying he said he thinks they figured out a way to
• 133:00 - 133:30 see some uh visibility of the code with these old sensors of Sony cameras that had this n capability and if we string a bunch of them together I think we'll be able to see it much more coherently now if it's true that will automatically change the conversation the conversation entirely and there's also team from Japan that uh apparently from 2014 was collecting data from light coming from stars and they discovered that they can
• 133:30 - 134:00 actually discern statistically at this point pretty concretely that there's information in there there's some kind of a code there's some kind of glyphs running in there that is not pelia that they can actually discern that now with machine learning it's not what period deia which the your tendency of your brain to just make shapes out of nothing because your brain is really good at creating um patterns so they can discern that this is not it that it's actually real information of some sort so all of
• 134:00 - 134:30 these things are kind of converging but I just wanted to mention that because Zan keeps referring to the end of childhood of humanity yes the it's it I really think that all of the stuff that I mentioned before the these crescendos that are all arising at the same time the reason that you have all these like very animated conversation here about you know God and uh like what are these the disclosure and all of this stuff is because something is happening that is bigger than us but not in an esoteric sense but
• 134:30 - 135:00 in an actual sense it's actually happening and whatever it is and the reason that I guess there's maybe urgency is the wrong word but maybe more of an attention needed on this than currently is being allocated to it that is an important component we can no longer pretend that is just a 9 to5 we go to work everything is normal even the people that think of it more in terms of like the you know the I think the UAP Community the disclosure is a good example is because
• 135:00 - 135:30 I've had the conversations with people from that community and when I asked the question have you ever considered what you're going to do the day after the disclosure there's always silence yeah because that's really the important part okay disclosure now what what do you how do you envision yourself being a moment after you you got to find Dragon the chase that's exactly it so it's interesting that you said about the light out of the stars because in that space I did have that experience that
• 135:30 - 136:00 it's it's much more than just light and I saw this this this scientific paper where talking about like well the electromagnetic processes within a star are much more complicated and much more than the processes in our brains so is that possible that they have Consciousness to ically yes yeah that's kind of insane you know but what we talking end of childhood like look if if
• 136:00 - 136:30 Humanity right realizes its purpose like if that question gets answered of why are we here what we are doing yeah right that would be such event the probably the most Monumental one and it sounds to me that you're going to most likely find that answer or get closer to that answer in that space not in the scientific explanation of how processes work M the
• 136:30 - 137:00 process is just a result of the much deeper space right I was going to I was going to ask when you're studying this stuff and when like you try to help more people become more aware like the only way to study this is to have obviously lots of people look at it if you have a million people look at this thing and 900,000 see it 100,000 don't or to see a way to substantiate it on a screen or to send the information directly into some kind of a chat GPD but at the same time when you're saying like we're seeing this code mhm like how
• 137:00 - 137:30 do you eliminate this confirmation bias that they're expecting this to see something you know mean isn't that isn't that a way to that people would attack this say look you're these people are expecting this and they're already seeing something like it's not double blind so there so that's two separate things one is the people attacking it which they will it's just natural that's that's how you make stuff stronger that's fine that's fine the the so that's a non Nono for me the people can attack it all day if it's real like I
• 137:30 - 138:00 always say as Terence used to say it can take the pressure I don't mind that exactly the second part of your question is even galamore you haven't watched the full video yet but at the end he says I watched I finished it last oh you finished okay so you know how he says which is actually a self-contradicting point which I alluded to in my response video which is he says that um priming doesn't have this longevity that people attributed to it with the code and yet he himself somehow priming doesn't have so okay it doesn't have this longevity
• 138:00 - 138:30 so priming is if I give you a cold drink to to hold if if you don't know me and I ask you general questions most people would have more negative kind of things to say about the person same thing with a worm drink in the other way okay that's priming okay I'm priming a certain state that makes certain General occurrences more like likely priming does not work with specific content hyper specific content that I would going to convince you if I say so here's we this is easily testable if the
• 138:30 - 139:00 if people think it's priming take a group of people that you know for sure didn't hear about this right sure and then tell them about elephants inject it subliminally talk to them about do all of that then show them the laser yes okay if they still tell you they see Japanese letters can we then agree this is not it so that's easily test the other point that people make which is like oh but uh which by the way I've done I've told people something else and came back and said I didn't say what you told me but I
• 139:00 - 139:30 saw these weird they said Chinese like me I saw the gears the gears that you see in the beginning yeah but it's it's just the way it appears so but the other point of like yeah but if you do make it big enough I was like okay hold on so you're telling me that you believe that if one guy can say something convincingly enough you can then convince the entire Earth that something something is there well then I think that's a whole phenomena all by itself we should study then because what are you talking about people go to the DMT space all the time right M how do you
• 139:30 - 140:00 know about the machine LS CU I've listen some told about all the time EXA so are we saying oh we shouldn't talk about machine LS because if we're going to keep talking about it it's going to be confirmational bias and then how do we know if they're real or not well the only difference here is that I'm claiming that this is actually real which was already in the zge already in the conversation I think it's the level of emphasis that I'm giving it that people are uncomfortable with they're uncomfortable with the amount of certainty I have about it which I get right which I get but at a certain point
• 140:00 - 140:30 you have to admit when you do know what you know so the reason that I'm saying things with this amount of conviction the things that I am saying I'm knowing with conviction again to re remind everybody the only thing I'm saying that I know for sure is that whatever it is people say why are you calling it the code of reality I don't know it's a placeholder it kind of looks like a self-executing code do I know it codes for all environment and everything of course not here's what I know for sure whatever that is exists on its own side even when you're not looking it's a real thing or if you want to say yeah but everything is mine okay even within that
• 140:30 - 141:00 frame whatever it is that you mean to say the external environment within within the perception that everything is mind okay however you want to play The Language game it is an external thing to you as you are perceiving yourself right now that's a real thing that's all I'm claiming why I know this with absolute amount uncertainty well there's certain long process I went through personally over years and years and years before I even spoke about this publicly where I actually never assumed anything about it
• 141:00 - 141:30 I just allowed it to unfold I just kind of looked at it for what it is I didn't really land on any conclusion or anything and eventually with a lot of hammering into me with like insistence from the other space to say yo what else do we need to show you and I'm like wait so you tell me they're like yes yes it's what this is I was like oh they're like thank you so then eventually you go okay I know this is real I no longer feel the obligation to pretend to think that
• 141:30 - 142:00 maybe I don't think that maybe I know for sure does that mean that everybody has to have this am of conviction of course not but I'm I don't feel apologetic for the amount of conviction I have because at a certain point there is such a state of the brain of the Mind called knowing it's a very limited knowing it's a very small portion I'm not claiming to know the timate secret of the universe but I know I can't walk through the wall do I know this yes I know this do you know this yes and anybody who insists otherwise is just
• 142:00 - 142:30 playing a weird language game right you know you can't walk through the wall let's not be silly okay I know that the code is there as much as I know that I can't walk through the wall so at a certain point I have every right to have the conviction that I have and I can defend these convictions and anybody has the right to criticize my convictions which is exactly the the situation we're in the the move that the other side sometimes makes is like if you would just have less conviction I would be more comfortable with it well that's not
• 142:30 - 143:00 that's you that's not how this works that's that's fine but we're going to have the conversation with the amount of conviction we're going to have for both ends about it and the only thing that would substantiate It ultimately is if something comes from it if something that can actually comes to fruition from it up until this point the main criticism was well if these things are real to any degree how come they always so elusive how come they don't really leave any Mark or like real information be well here it is here's the thing
• 143:00 - 143:30 let's start playing with it and now people push the Horizon even further do you ever get the the feeling that maybe this stuff wasn't meant to be studied in scientific why it discoverable then that's that seems to be an AR that's a paradox maybe maybe maybe it just wasn't meant to be known by everybody maybe this thing wasn't maybe this thing isn't meant to change it right maybe it's not meant to help Humanity mature or evolve maybe it's just for specific people to discover on their own and it's
• 143:30 - 144:00 not there are you familiar with this study there was this John Hopkins study that went on I just had this journalist on here named Travis kitchens who uh was a part of a John Hopkins psychedelic study research study in like the 90s or early 2000s um with a couple with a what were the gentleman's names who were started that study like the guys that were like like the pioneers of the Psychedelic Renaissance were a part of this study and it was this study where they brought in a bunch of people from different religious part uh bunch of different religions like they brought in a a
• 144:00 - 144:30 Buddhist a a a Jewish uh Jewish person Christians PE people like the heads of all the faiths right who had different um religious beliefs put them on psychedelics and tried to find out what the common theme was behind all of their experiences and how they projected their own religious Frameworks onto it right mhm and they had this hypothesis that of this idea called perennialism I don't know if you've ever heard of perennialism but this perennialism is
• 144:30 - 145:00 this idea that all religions came from one common source like they're all drawing from one source which is goes back to like some of the stuff like Brian mesu talks about is like the linian Mysteries and the Greeks were experiencing this psychedelic they were going into this DMT State or the Psychedelic state where they were seeing God right or they were they were experiencing these things that eventually got translated into different religions right for different reasons MH
• 145:00 - 145:30 which you know religions kind of like Christianity spiraled out of control and became you know this thing that we know of today and like it's like the ultimate goal of this was trying to find one common core to all religions and to to all human belief and the core of human consciousness almost right M but it's like to me and what Travis pointed out
• 145:30 - 146:00 great was like I don't think I don't think it really matters that much right like if you're a Christian or if you're a Buddhist or if you're a a UFO person or if you're a a psychonaut who thinks that you know whatever you believe as long as your belief makes you a better person more power to you I I tell you why it doesn't map on to uh the way I see it because the the answer to your question is it possible that it's not meant to be
• 146:00 - 146:30 intered by everybody and it's not supposed to help us the answer is of course maybe yeah maybe sure maybe you're right but that's a lot of maybe right the the more reasonable way to to proceed I would say is to look at how any other big understanding in human history ever happened which is always a correction of the map the reason that in some domains it might be might be okay to hold opposing views about different things but in other domains it isn't I forget who gave that
• 146:30 - 147:00 example but it's a perfect example the example is if you think you're in a ship and you go out and you just open the window crack the window cuz you want some more air but you happen to be on the submarine and you got confused it really matters no forget about the fact that you can't really open the window when some but let's say you could right the point is if you don't understand the situation you're in you might make moves that can be detrimental right so making the map
• 147:00 - 147:30 match the territory is a very important it's a very important Endeavor and just notice that whenever people sailed outside of the domain of the current uh conviction of society either intellectually or physically into the ocean you're gonna fall off the face of the Earth what if just stay here what if we a hey wolves are going to come to the Village either you like it or not you have to understand always the larger environment you're in it's just the nature of the game and if then you want
• 147:30 - 148:00 to say well look I understand the game is worked this way so far but maybe this is it this is the limit well that's an arbitrary limit this these thing two can be connected though you can connect this two what the conversation you you were saying about the various religions right M and what Denny just said so there's a actually a connecting element here one is starting with every single religion right is in the realm of verbal communication but we talked about originally the filters and Beyond the
• 148:00 - 148:30 filters and so it's in a box of language MH right so whatever religion that is that the search is the same ultimately the question is the same what are we where we came from is there a an entity that created us or how does this operate right and all that happens in the verbal realm yes because regardless of the religion they use a a set of Lang a
• 148:30 - 149:00 language be it Sanskrit being Hebrew being English being whatever it is right you're are operating in that box and everything that you can talk about is a a loose description of something so you have to move outside of the box outside of the language and move beyond that point where it becomes an experience when it's an experience I'm pretty sure the experience is exactly the same to every in quote religion that the the split comes from the different culture
• 149:00 - 149:30 and language that you explaining or talk about the things but if you go to the experiment part which is outside of language which is below before the filters right that takes that information then it's probably exactly the same it's your description of your experience is difference right and then what Danny was talking about the functionality of of yes it is our purpose maybe to go and experiment and
• 149:30 - 150:00 figure out things and and and have answers to this ultimate question what are we doing here why are we doing it now you equated to the submarine that you might open a window that you shouldn't be opening right this this could be true that we could be barreling down and pths that you know that are not exactly optim optimal or even detrimental right but if it just sa stay with the pragmatic the absolute
• 150:00 - 150:30 pragmatic Basics then the experience the experience of it right when it's nonverbal it's most likely the same so this is the language that and the descriptions that separates it into different buckets of religion and the question is going to be the same why why right what is the purpose right so that is a fundamental question of all everything else everything else is a
• 150:30 - 151:00 subset of that yeah the ultimate question is what is happening why is it happening what is our purpose why that's it and I think that's part of the human brain's operating system is to ask that question why because right because everything comes from something right we C both came from our parents came from our grandparents a plant a tree comes from a seed planted in the ground but like where did the first one come from the very very first one it's only by us being able to have the gift of reason is
• 151:00 - 151:30 to F is to believe in a God I don't think it's human the question is General right I think in any other species any other species exist in this universe will have the same questions the same exact questions it doesn't matter that you grew up in a different solar system in different circumstances the question will be the same and it it would be asked on the level that you can entertain so for an amiba the form of the question would be how can I be more comfortable oh this is too hot I'm going
• 151:30 - 152:00 to move to the shade but the question always drives the process right that's a completely natural thing in existence itself yeah so to to then put a an arbitrary stop to it because of other things we think we understand because notice that everything you described there're also conceptual Frameworks M right there also other things that people claim to understand so it's just a competition between the frames of understanding yeah so the the the example with the submarine more illustrates what if there's something you're supposed to do and you're not going to do because you didn't
• 152:00 - 152:30 understand where you are is there a cliff there and you thought it was just a two-dimensional shape but it's more than that so you have to understand that you're on that path right and so the answer to most times like should you know almost in every instance it's yes it's always better to know and then to do something about it versus not know there are some limited cases that I would say like if a meteor is hurling down towards us and we have 3 weeks to live is it better to know in this limited instance maybe not because in 3 weeks we're just going to panic and it's
• 152:30 - 153:00 not going to be better right but these cases are much more rare than all the other cases like is it good for us to know how to synthesize polio or to build the atom bomb well it's good for us to know that that's a possibility and then kind of work around it because to say we shouldn't have never discovered it that's just postponing the moment in which it will be discovered someday you it's always better to know something and then to do something about it properly and this why I'm saying the attitude of the monkey is we keep pointing to these
• 153:00 - 153:30 external things as the blame but it's like if if we can get our act together then we can stop pointing right there I can drop a paradox on top on this please I can drop a massive Paradox okay so because because it makes sense right that we should know but knowing knowing that we shouldn't know is also knowing I'm going to give it to I'm going to give you into a an actual
• 153:30 - 154:00 experience that I personally had in the space deep in the space I've been there hundreds and hundreds of times and there are different levels and I'll give you an actual example when it's nonverbal communication how data comes to you you just know and it independent of time so meaning when you're in that space you just AR was know something and it's almost it didn't really take time so it's not like there's a book of
• 154:00 - 154:30 knowledge and it takes time to absorb that it's just oh I understand and it's instant right MH and so there was this moment where um I realized that we are in being in that space and when you reach us this this idea that you know like VAR is that the Buddhist talk about very VAR is pets are talking about this Oneness when we took off my hands from the cup and then you you realize like oh
• 154:30 - 155:00 there's this one Consciousness right and there's the obvious question like why are we compartmentalized well in that one Consciousness this it's absolute there is nothing else just this one Consciousness and in that state if you can absorb that for a second it's the loneliest exist and that it can be it has no companion because there is nothing else but it that's it right just one just one but that one this Universal
• 155:00 - 155:30 Consciousness this soup of everything is one coherent Consciousness and it is for a lack of better word is it's the absolute loneliness cuz it has no companion however in a second you're compartmentalized now you're not cup you're a subprocess right then you're not in that absolute Consciousness you're surrounded by others correct so out of a sudden
• 155:30 - 156:00 there are a process and there is noise there are there are experiences can be can exist right and so I had this perception of of the job our purpose is is that every possibility can can be experienced and it's almost like your function and this it will take away some sort of a some sort of a uh uh an anxiety of human existence because am I doing my purpose
• 156:00 - 156:30 yes we all do our purpose is to experience live this life there's no way out you were born into this life and you absolutely have to live it until you're not living right there's no way at that's the process and the process is that you're living at one set of possibilities it's your possibility your possibility and your experience is not going to be anywhere near to anyone
• 156:30 - 157:00 else's it's very unique to you right and so this set of data was fed to the absolute Consciousness this experience yours yours was fed and yours was an and all of ours so so this the phenomena God the whatever you want to call it experience says all the possibilities the infinite possibilities and you are. sub routine. experience this one so whatever it is you doing you're doing your job you're living your
• 157:00 - 157:30 life you're experiencing and you're feeding the the data now you do have free will and you can choose what you're going to experience you actually do have the power but the process is you are living your life and and feeding the data right um and and in that um in that particular moment I had this understanding of if I'm searching if I'm out of the P searching
• 157:30 - 158:00 for that Consciousness searching for God searching for those things if I was meant to understand and meant to know it wouldn't be hidden but it would also not be foundable don't you think it is it if you me to find it if I me Well here here's that's the Paradox it wouldn't be foundable even in principle well but that's the Paradox that you can experience that but immediately the experience is don't look for this do
• 158:00 - 158:30 your job which is experience life go live experience and and have that feed that feed that to the aashik records or whatever you want to call that right that's if you understand that then it takes away some kind of a some kind of an anxiet now it works for me this experience that you've had some people call it the void I've had it um Michael paulen talks about it actually on The Joe Rogan Experience where he's he was so grateful
• 158:30 - 159:00 when he came back that it was content he was like oh my god did Rick stman also talk about this it's it's a it happens to a lot of people I don't know if he specifically talked about I think he said he was on 5 Meo DMT and he went to like a white room yeah the white out or the void yeah so the thing to me I'm hearing this and I've had this and Zan is absolutely right it is the most gutting feeling you can possibly have but I always say I think there's still something to be said about the fact that you're experiencing it from still from some unitary perspective you're still an ego experiencing the ultimate just
• 159:00 - 159:30 loneliness right so that's why it's so gutting but um because on the other hand you have other people that talking about like you know when you experience that it's just the biggest Bliss of like the fullest Freedom um but I would say that specifically with the code not necessarily with this because with this I am open to interpretation and all of that there might be a um a balanced place I agree with that with the code in particular something else jumps at me which is the fact that it is recognizable on the level of a human
• 159:30 - 160:00 because if this is some kind of a thing that codes for you know the function of reality it could have easily been been just the The Wiggles just the the signals why does it appear as a language that is discernible to creatures like us right that is the question that makes me feel like that's a bread crumb versus and the fact that it was I didn't it wasn't a heisten it wasn't like a laser was on and I smoked some and I saw something I was like what is that that's not how it happened I aimed there for
• 160:00 - 160:30 years and something was giving me hints mhm so all of these things together and it didn't feel like one of these like you know to to the degree that I can discern energies the energy of whatever that was guiding it was like a it was light it was it was like a blissful energy it wasn't n like the the other thing right so in that sense can it mean that we now have to come and face something that is difficult to face maybe but that means that we were led to
• 160:30 - 161:00 that and that was part of what we need to go through in the next step of evolution this this part of the conversation whenever I get to it I'm very careful because I don't really know what is unfolding like zultan said but my strong intuition is that it is unavoidable and we're going to experience it in different ways either way like we're all going to experience it in some form this transitional moment and it is it's shrouded with so much speculation that I'm not sure that I
• 161:00 - 161:30 think that more words confuse people than than do any good but the most General thing I can say about it is that everybody kind of feel that something is happening and E either you're a person you know some kind of a Aboriginal person in the somewhere that you have zero technology it's going to communicate to you with as much coherence that it needs to in the way that you understand as to anybody else who living with a super advanced technology this might be just our
• 161:30 - 162:00 version of how it's trying to express itself and I know it sounds super esoteric but I my intuition is that whatever it is it's not we don't people talk about 2050 2040 Singularity my feeling is we have maybe two years like th this is not uh like in 20 years from now this is now it's now it's happening so like it's no
• 162:00 - 162:30 longer a drill and the degree to which some of us can understand it and help become part of the process they trying to unfold which a lot of is actually letting go letting go of the self-control letting go of what we think we understand I'm this is a very big practice for me at the moment because the more I talk about it the more the weight of certain kinds of responsibilities kind of Dawns on me and then the only thing I can do that keeps me sane is to constantly drop into the space of like feeling what it feels like to be the unit that is doing this
• 162:30 - 163:00 talking about this if I start telling you something and inside I have this like very strong impulse I was like I was like okay maybe I'm not supposed to talk about that so there like maybe not right now mhm so I'm constantly aware of that is it anything more than some ideas I have in my psychology and and maybe nothing more maybe maybe completely open to that but we have to stand somewhere to make some assumptions with certain
• 163:00 - 163:30 amount of certainty you will never get to a place you surf right yes great in any activity that has real outcomes in real time there's certain things that become super clear you have to have a certain amount of con one of those things is you have to have a certain amount of conviction about your ability to do something to be able to do it mhm the more you second guess it in C there's way less chances you're going to enter flow or any state in which you can actually execute the task how it exactly happened when you were on the wave perfectly every single
• 163:30 - 164:00 muscle of the body maneuver you might not be aware of but how to drop into that space is the thing you become better and better at the more you do it right but notice that there has to be some level of conviction the more you second guess it the chances you're going to crash are way higher MH and that's with everything if you want to entertain a scientific idea you have a certain amount of you have to have a certain amount of conviction that it might work not to I'm not talking about biases it's like you have to know that there's a there's maybe a cash value there okay
• 164:00 - 164:30 then you proceed if you second guess it to a degree where you're not even going like well it can be infinite million other things you're not going to have enough of a drive to even act on it right so that's where I'm coming from I I'm going to entertain this Frame see if something comes out of it I am in full Liberty after a certain amount of time go you know what we tried it didn't work let's go back to the old frame it's a legitimate move there's no problem with that and I think what most people don't recognize is that we're always doing that like even our current conviction of
• 164:30 - 165:00 the scientific zy guys this is also a form of a thing we agreed upon that's a good way to do this so far it's going to take a lot to a lot to replace it if we ever get a replace it fine but you have to have a certain amount of conviction to kind of go in the face of it but not even resist just like how do we I always say whatever it is that we're going to find has to also match everything else we already understand it's never going to replace everything that's not how it works so I guess my bottom line is
• 165:00 - 165:30 there's a there's a certain fluidity and a certain amount of rigidity that we have to constantly play with that can help us find our our place in this unfolding and I'm fully aware that this kind of talk immediately sounds more like a you know like a like a sage would be talking right it's like oh you have to but I don't think it has to be I think we can talk about things um that maybe unfolding that are greater than our current ability to understand in a way
• 165:30 - 166:00 that makes sense to us collectively and personally without constantly asking one another to pay a penalty for describing it in that way or another way if I'm if I'm if I'm understanding what you're trying to do I'm not going to waste energy of trying to correct every single word you say I'm just I I feel you like I okay I understand what you're trying to say to me and if you're struggling with saying it I might even help you say it right that should be more of the attitude right and that also holds the seed in
• 166:00 - 166:30 all human endeavor in science in in politics and everything if we have a little bit more charity towards one another it was like what are you really trying to say oh okay I get it and again it sounds I'm aware that what I'm saying right now sounds like bro what are you talking about you were just talking about science now you're talking about some kind of a human interaction it's part of it if everything in science is done we have the scientific method awesome let's go with it we don't have to be dicks about it right like scientists don't have to be dicks to one
• 166:30 - 167:00 another to achieve an Accolade that's part of it if you're going to work together on something major wouldn't it be better if we also feel comfortable and safe to do that in a way we can explore is like oh that didn't pan out but we don't have to make you feel like [ __ ] about it and I'm I personally don't care cuz I'm not in that world really and I have all the love that I need in the world but I am noticing that it's a big pain point for scientists I have oh yeah I have two physicists who are totally on board to help out but they said I have to be Consulting I can't put
• 167:00 - 167:30 my name on it I'm going to lose everything right that's crazy that's crazy back to Galileo man like that was a scientific community that held rigidly that idea and you know we can play The V water bism all day long so the conviction of the experience that's what you're talking about like you have an experience and you have a conviction that I experienced this I'm looking at a code or I experience this particular thing then
• 167:30 - 168:00 you know I could jump in there and start question like well what is existence that's what about ISM how about that how you know you can you know at one point you have to drop anchor and the anchor is I have seen. code I have experienced this I got to Anchor myself in those like well it happened to me and I saw it and I perceived it and if it happened to me I can't care less about 8 billion
• 168:00 - 168:30 people saying otherwise because everything that was ever invented or disc discovered at one point the person who discovered it or invented it had to have a spine and the shoulder strong enough to carry the weight of nobody else on this planet in this moment believes in what you say or what you invented right it falls on you because you invented it or you saw what you saw right and so the truth is not by consensus right and it's my truth I saw
• 168:30 - 169:00 it that's that to me is unquestionable because because we can play the water as are you really here and is this world really exist we can play this all day long at one point you have to put down the the bricks of like okay well I am going through this life I am experiencing this life I feel like I am here there are processes and logical processes and feelings and and ideas that hovering inside my head and I regardless of I myself could pull this
• 169:00 - 169:30 to apart like my perception and what is really happening and are we really here and is this just a hologram we can play that all day long the truth is not in consensus is very powerful yeah but at one point I got to drop an anchoring something I you know I have to have a solid point right now my solid point is like this I know not nobody in this room and nobody outside's room has a [ __ ] idea of what's going on not one there's
• 169:30 - 170:00 not a person on this planet that knows what the hell is going on not one nobody knows everybody's guessing everybody just have ideas there's no absolute nobody knows I know that and that itself is absolute that I at least know that nobody knows right there are things are unknown and other things are unknown and then you can logically come to some conclusion that certain things are unknown right the human mind can't
• 170:00 - 170:30 really deal with infinity and those ideas like we already know that we can but at one point you still have to drop on anchor so if you have these experiences if you saw that if that's your conviction you got to put that at Brick and say I'm defending this brick this is my experience and there's nobody alive on this planet that can that can not just question that but attack that in any shape and way this is my experience your universe is your Universe it's my experience and I'm
• 170:30 - 171:00 sticking to this because I have experienced this so I'm going to put on anchor in this and if you don't do that there's then there's nothing there's no starting point there's nothing that you can possibly build there has to be something and but that's small thing to add to that is that in order for that to be to hold water you you first have to acquire the ability to have a certain level of discernment which is important you did a certain amount of work on yourself that you trust your own experience in a way that not for
• 171:00 - 171:30 everybody uh it's it's that solidified I have that to some degree you have that to a larger degree but it's also because you have more of I guess what you would call external accolades to rest on to say I tried things my way they worked out so now whenever I walk in a room and somebody starts yapping businesses of of me I'll let them Yap but I'm like you you do you right I did my way look around you that's what I've achieved what did you achieve so that g that gives you a certain amount of confidence
• 171:30 - 172:00 in your convictions and I have some of that in other domains some people I realized don't always have that because they are never really dropping an anchor ever or for whatever other reason and they never really land on something that pans out so from that perspective it's very difficult to trust yourself and to trust your convictions and I I do I do appreciate that because somebody it was pointed out to me in in one of my daily lives it was pointed out to me and I and
• 172:00 - 172:30 I never thought about that and and it has to do with a certain ability to uh track what is going on to a degree and if it pans out enough times well it's almost like check marks it's like okay yeah yeah so but but the second you achieve that and this is the thing that that it's funny when people say think that I've kind of of like rent with the first idea I had and just kind of ran with it couldn't be the literally the opposite of that I I've experienced this space thousands of times and so much that I'm like okay I think I have a say
• 172:30 - 173:00 in what I think each thing in there is because I simply visited it so often so I have some discernment that I trust would it be just that thing and also nothing else like even just the console let's say would I be speaking about this with that amount of conviction now right no I I think that it's because something came out of it that I can show the people or at least to a substantial number of people that basically gave me that check mark of like something is there and it doesn't
• 173:00 - 173:30 matter what you say until you don't address the exact direct thing that I'm seeing you can say whatever you want I don't they're like have you considered this I don't need to consider it I have the direct experience of it yeah that's that would be the difference there I mean we we talking about the the you know the patterns within the agreed upon reality right that you repeat certain patterns and you know we can play this game of like okay I I do this or you do this or that and and then keep repeating and you recognize a pattern
• 173:30 - 174:00 that that this is possible in a so you can always establish like okay this so this is the truth of in this uh agreed upon reality because in this agreed upon reality I repeated a pattern and we can all verify that that happen let's say in business or it doesn't matter if I'm going to snowboard play guitar or do business or paint or sculpt that the there's a pattern in there in all those activities that are the same essentially there's a pattern so doesn't matter what
• 174:00 - 174:30 I'm going to put my mind to I will excel in that because I understand the pattern that underlies and then once you do that enough times then you can say okay in the agreed upon reality I demonstrated that I can repeat this pattern in whatever shape and way and it will succeed but in then not agreed upon reality I reserve the right to be absolutely insane I can be a schizophrenic person will be convinced that somebody is sitting over there right it doesn't mean that we just call this person
• 174:30 - 175:00 schizophrenic right it doesn't mean he's wrong it just we don't see what this person sees it does it's and that's what I mean like the truth is not by consensus right so because we have much less people who see ghosts and spirits and and people that we perceiving that they're not there be we consider insane that's not necessarily the case it's just because we are a majority we're going to say oh yeah he's insane he's seeing things it doesn't mean he's wrong you just don't see what this person sees
• 175:00 - 175:30 so you know so is reserved their right to be insane yes but this is why I'm saying that to me to me the the bottom question at least at the moment is what is the relationship between the mind and matter because matter seems to have this Universal to us Universal Democratic thing where doesn't matter how crazy you are you walk through the you try and walk through the wall you ain't doing it that is an important Point what is that why is that that way you know so so
• 175:30 - 176:00 ultimately to me the encouragement again is to just broaden the spectrum of entertainment of how many things we entertain and we want to include in the ontology that we're building on without getting lost it's it's a fine line I'm trying to push the ontology just slightly out saying hey the thing that we want to consider seriously is a little bit right outside of what we currently do can can we just push it out I think it will solve a lot of problems that's really that's really all I'm saying what I want to talk about um we
• 176:00 - 176:30 talked about it last night what do you think happened when you got you said you got kicked out of the DMT space right was that was that the same experience when you experienced this Oneness this one conscious loneliness no it's uh that was different is that is that neurogum by the way before uh no I have some though you want some sure I'll have I feel like I don't want more coffee I feel like it's Gonna Fly Me to the Moon have you tried EUR gum before yeah
• 176:30 - 177:00 is it good yeah is whatever it's a gum that supposedly does something and I don't know chewing gums like mic it's like no I'll so here's the thing I'm I'm already talking so here's the thing I'm already doing 200 miles an hour so when I go 200 101 miles an hour because of the neurog gum it will not make a difference okay so so it it would only matter if if I was a you know a mentally the mic a turtle and you know and so I
• 177:00 - 177:30 don't know it's it's a percentage game so yeah so that that the the getting kicked out experience if you if you Google this this happens to you A lot of people actually right and so which also underlines that again there is something that happened this this physically happened to me so so I can verify it in my physical concrete existence we are agreed upon existence this is our agreed upon existence in a
• 177:30 - 178:00 second I go into that space we no longer in agreed upon reality because we can't verify those rule sets that Danny talks about like I can't walk through the wall right is now applying to all of us right so we haven't agreed upon reality and agreement is that I can't walk through that wall now in a second I'm in that space right the the the rule set is not yet established there is a rule set but we just don't know that rule set yet so we have a hard time to agree upon the
• 178:00 - 178:30 reality of that space it has a reality it has a rule set and there sometimes something happens that I can verify that like getting kicked out right so that happened to me that I got kicked out I can tell you the little story why and how that happened but the the the physical proof of that is number one research it getting kicked out of DMT and you're find St see if you can Google hundreds of people will talk about like they got kicked out for various reasons and for various period of time and what happens once I got kicked out I couldn't
• 178:30 - 179:00 get back in my friend got forcibly kicked out of hyperspace that's you know it's I'm pretty sure that you're going to find hundreds and hundreds of these recan you RIT probably a bunch yeah so but it's like yeah I would search be like like uh band from DMT uh space or something so so what's the importance of the importance of it that you're going to find that some you know hundreds of people will verify the same experience
• 179:00 - 179:30 that this happened to them right and and when it happens to you you can compare it to the agreed upon reality and in know agreed upon reality right there you go the DMD itself was banned right that's fine was banned from outer space that's hilarious so all right so so what's the implication what's the importance of it so when you get kicked out of the space and hundreds of people will verify that it happened to them then you we we can be discussing that
• 179:30 - 180:00 event in our agreed upon reality right here and the agreement is that they got kicked out trying to get back and they cannot they can smoke as much DM as they want and they cannot get back in almost like some kind of receptor that that is open to you know access that space is not shut a door is shut and no matter how many times you hit that cartridge you cannot get back in and so if you're going to read that you're going to probably find that hundreds and hundreds
• 180:00 - 180:30 of people talking about this so whatever happens in a DMT space where we don't have an agreement of the rules yet try Chrome right here we do have an agreement of the rules right and the agreement is that you got kicked out you hit that cartridge can't get back in and every single person will recount the same thing so something happened that we can all verify dot alone is very interesting because it affects the
• 180:30 - 181:00 agreed upon reality do we can talk about it's with its rules of can't walk through the wall can't do this can't do that can't fly can't get back into DMT that's not part of can't get back into DMT space is not part of because it happens right here right so if verifiable and then I say okay before you got kicked out what did you do what happened and then you're going to find similar stories see what I mean so so in some way this is what I'm talking about like they going to be a critical mass
• 181:00 - 181:30 when we have enough data and enough anecdotes at first because that's all we got yeah right anecdotes at first that that are parallel and eventually when there is enough of that then the scientific Community has to you know mobilize and go like well this is this is too weird this is too much too too many to to to ignore that this these stories are the same so whatever reason whatever reason they the same stories right and so for the story why I got
• 181:30 - 182:00 kicked out I popped into a space where there was an entity generally my my um my personal experiences are usually I don't know you want to read so even listen even if you don't find hundreds of accounts this is actually a perfect moment oh you will but yeah but we can make a prediction because I'm I can tell you from my daily lives I do have quite a few like dozens of people that told me that they had a similar experience so I bet you that after this episode is released at this point you'll see a bunch of comments you'll see people like
• 182:00 - 182:30 oh that happened to me it it really happens very often to people right so to to to tell you what what happened you know I ventured in this space hundreds and hundreds of times right and and and I I my personal experience actually is everybody's is different I don't have many interactions with entities I have a a different cerebral experience when I'm in there but I I do have and I did have encounters nonverbal Communications some of them are I could
• 182:30 - 183:00 call a miracle because it had physical effects that affected me later in this agreed upon reality but just to go to this example I popped into a space where there was an entity and this entity was startled by me popping into its space right and so in a second that happens usually what happens with these entities you have this this non-verbal Bridge like sort of like I can read your thought you can read mine we are connected immediately and so I popped in
• 183:00 - 183:30 and I know I startled this this creature because it got annoyed with me so the the description that I can give is that the feeling of annoyance like what what are you doing here what you know and in a second that happen and I could because I knew that this creature was annoyed the creature also realized that I know and it almost felt like it corrected itself oh okay so we have a bridge so I hear your thoughts so you have to behave
• 183:30 - 184:00 there was that kind of exchange right right now so the first was a startling you know and the second was like oh okay so we are connected I I can hear your thoughts sort of you can hear mine so there's a there's a bridge and it this creature was was again it's nonverbal so you just know this this this this was the question if I paraphrase of okay well you hear what what you want to know and I had this very quick process
• 184:00 - 184:30 in it's interesting in that space your your mind is like a million times faster sorry to interrupt what did it look like um you would you would equate this to almost like the drawings that we see this this creature was tall and uh talk a long long face so it's a wearing wearing some kind of a robe now when you jump in this place the reason I'm saying that that I'm hesitant of explaining
• 184:30 - 185:00 because I thought of this that that's might be the process of my human interpretation of something right right so when I say like how something looks like there is a possibility that there's an entity and I am it's my mind that draws the Creature if that makes any sense right because you know we have a we are bound by a visual data set that we have really difficult time to you
• 185:00 - 185:30 know what you never seen before Kent imagine it's almost like you can't you know see so so when I described this this was a tall creature looked like had some kind of rope I was in a wi space similar arches as um the Coliseum would have okay very very white foggy place and again when we when we talk about visuals um I am keenly aware that there's a possibility that
• 185:30 - 186:00 it's my own mind is creating the visual interpret something the way I can interpret what is what is absolutely obvious though that you encounter this energy and there is an exchange right so the exchange is that I am aware that oh there is a being here and we have an interaction that is that is what what you know Danny was saying that's my brick that's my anchor that I know that this is happening this is this
• 186:00 - 186:30 this is unquestionable the visual is questionable because who knows how that happens but for me the appearance was like a tall creature a you know I know I hases it say the gray is skin because it's you know we have an idea of ETS how they look like like the typical gray alien you see yeah but it was kind of like that but but but tall M very tall and a longer sort of head like a this was a long kind of head with a robe the shap with with some kind of of human
• 186:30 - 187:00 kind of yeah that's I mean like so so that's I mean like I accept that there's a possibility that that's my mind's you know um translation of of of the energy or whatever this being is like the representation but I saw it as that and the question was okay so what you want to know why are you here what you want to know and in my mind I played that the game immediately then it was it was really quick that I play that like well I can ask all these questions and the answer actually doesn't
• 187:00 - 187:30 matter that was the strangest thing that I came to a conclusion like ask what and what what difference it makes if I know or I don't know doesn't matter right so so I kind of like process this super quick and I didn't have a question I was like I don't have a question I was like I I'm just passing through right but when I said passing through it wasn't like unconscious uh response like I know that I processed this that I knew that I Lightning Fast went through the
• 187:30 - 188:00 possibilities what it is I want to know and I just came to this conclusion like well it doesn't really matter things are just are and it is what it is and and I was like I'm just passing through I don't really have a question and this thing got annoyed with me to the point like boom I was out I just that experience stopped completely the vision stops I was out I was sitting in my little meditation chair that I sit and after that for months I could not get back in at all no matter what I would do
• 188:00 - 188:30 so I was just kicked out and then later on four months is period I I went in with this you know I it went through my meditation cycle and and in that cycle I was literally focusing like I need to get back I need to find out why is this am I banned permanently like I had all these questions right so now I had questions all the sudden and I wanted to solve this like how do I get back in
• 188:30 - 189:00 right so I was super focused on on that that task of getting back in and find out if I can and how mhm and somehow that unlocked something because of my intention like there was a very sharp intent that I I went in with it and the there's again the communication comes like okay you you can't come here anymore without a purpose you can you know as a tourist you can just pass
• 189:00 - 189:30 through I thought and it's interesting that that was the answer because this creature got annoyed with me because I didn't have a purpose I was kind of like well I'm just passing through I don't have a question and that was immediately I was that so that was the reason and so the answer was it wasn't coming from the same being like you get in and there are this non-verbal this voice but again it's non-verbal it's just annoying like oh I got it and that was basically the idea of or the the message that you
• 189:30 - 190:00 cannot come in here anymore as a tourist you've been here hundreds of hundreds of times this is you know if you come it has to have a purpose there has to be a function you can't just come I wonder why did it stand out to you that particular instance that being locked out I don't know I just think it's interesting because it's similar to you know what well it's interesting that you say a lot of people experience the same thing because it's pH because it is that
• 190:00 - 190:30 this has a a feature that we can verify in or agreed upon reality you can verify it because if you line up a few people who had this experience right now right here without any substance and they're going to say the same thing to you like hey this happened to me or something similar happened to me and so again this space where we are talking right now is agreed upon reality with its rules and its rigidity right that we all verify this table is here the microphone is here
• 190:30 - 191:00 we're doing a podcast right now you can't walk through the wall I mean then he definitely can't walk to the he claimed it many times so you know so so D are agreed upon real with t disagreed up on reality you're going to have people who will verify something that happened to them and this this event will be very very similar right so that something you can latch on to like okay this is tangible because it's happened to many people and they all talk about it and it's the experience is very similar yes and whatever happens within
• 191:00 - 191:30 the space we can't verify it because you would have to be there it's kind of like if you dreamed something I can't verify what you know what you dream and is there a possibility that we both go dreaming and we going to share some kind of a dream there are some legends about the aborigin is aborigin is in Australia that do this supposedly they go to sleep together and they interact with each other in their dreams yeah could be a legend could be who knows but there is something like that and um you could you
• 191:30 - 192:00 verify that there's also near-death experiences where people like there's been uh studies where people have been in car accidents together and like saw each other in their near-death experience right yeah so there you go now if somebody says this you're going to say well you hit your had a 100 people says this then you go okay I need to look at this so so this this is something that you're touching on I think is very important John Chavez from DMD Quest who uh got involved with the film and uh not like he he invested in
• 192:00 - 192:30 it but also he asked us if we we would be okay with in venturing into some territories like near death experience or things like this potentially if we can be presented with a certain amount of data so what John is really good at is very aware of all the different kinds of research that exists out there mhm and he made me aware of this I didn't know this that apparently what you would call these Fringe investigative uh you know sections of science near that experience
• 192:30 - 193:00 uh some people manifesting objects like things that you would think like oh this is some you know like Twilight Zone crazy [ __ ] apparently there's like real data about these things yeah and it for the most part is kind of being ignored I have a friend who that I know really well and he had the open heart surgery and he was very well kind of like us like he's very uh open-minded straightforward not uh you know like necessarily married to believe anything in particular but pretty um I would say
• 193:00 - 193:30 secular in this PR dispensation he came back completely changed and he said Danny I was above my body the whole shebang I went to visit my mother in Ireland I saw her I know it wasn't a vision I know I saw her like in real time it's like I will never be the same It's like because there's a there's a level of realness to it I guess I've never had that I've never had an out
• 193:30 - 194:00 body experience but I understand that sentiment of like the the realness of it that is so Salient to the person I saw a video on YouTube a couple months ago where this guy was explaining how when he was young he had a near-death experience like in he was in a car accident right and he said he saw some sort of entity or he communicated with some sort of I'm I'm a little bit vague on on what exactly he said he saw the first time when he was young but then later he said he went to a mountain with
• 194:00 - 194:30 one of his buddies and they did mushrooms and he said he saw the same entity and and he said maybe he said maybe it was DNT it was either DMT or mushrooms and he said that the entity said what the [ __ ] are you doing here get out and don't ever come back I think I've heard said it was the same thing this guy interesting yes yeah this is the guy it's a 12-minute video we're not going to watch the whole thing but it's you know that's that's because and because and the reason I bring that
• 194:30 - 195:00 up is because I had this guy on here who did this he basically won this uh it was a part of the grant that this dude John Bigalow um related to B bam big DMT while a friend observed uh okay so it was DMT while a friend observed along on a lake I went from Total fear um out my head blast off to Total calm and empty quiet space same entity okay so did you have that did you have the the nde did you
• 195:00 - 195:30 have NE never had ND but I I definitely met the same beings so I had this guy in here so there's this guy named John Bigalow who's been like a part of the whole he's an aerospace billionaire yes yeah he's really into Robert Robert biglo what I I call him you said John John Bigalow oht yeah he's he's building the SP started space Hotel I remember this back in the you know x prise times like he was building this space Hotel he wasuh he's very into the whole alien
• 195:30 - 196:00 disclosure movement and all this stuff and he's got a lot of money and he basically um he put up basically a bounty like a bunch of money for people who could um come up with a theory on near-death experiences and and what they were or whatever and this guy won the prize for it um because he was what was the gentleman's name who he had in here again uh Jeffrey Mish no no no not Jeffrey Mish it was the guy before that uh the guy who was talking about the
• 196:00 - 196:30 near-death experiences of people together oh that was um uh Jeff Jeffrey long uh yeah Jeffrey long yeah yeah so he won a bunch of money for his study on these near experiences and he put like I think he's had thousands of people together and and he's been studying this for his whole life and I asked him about this guy who had the DMT experience and told him don't come back and he thinks that there's absolutely zero connection between between both spaces right oh spiritual and DMD space but between the
• 196:30 - 197:00 near-death experience realm and the D I'm open to it I'm I'm on record saying this wait this is a conversation me and zela and head back and I had both those you had you right I had actual ND when I hit the truck right which I never saw my body I never looked at myself but I could move in space look behind the house and you know like I was not bound by you know I wanted to look behind a bush and I just did and that was not possible like that Bush was Far Away behind the house so it was it was I never looked at my body
• 197:00 - 197:30 because I was a kid I didn't know what what the hell was going on but on a meo5 you can have like people call it ego that and I sort of have a theory what actually happens there is that um and it's it's it's funny that this comes from the Frog and I'm going to say like if you have a reptilian mind right that I just called that rep in mind that the basic function your dos you know operating system how many times you blink and all that stuff right and the
• 197:30 - 198:00 feedback system from your body right so there's your mind that is is not the brain the mind that is not Material right so your your your thoughts and all those processes and there's a connection between the because those processes tell you like I got to run but H how do you know like well your your subconscious or call it reptilian mind call it that the basic operation system told you that you're in danger so you got run right so this two
• 198:00 - 198:30 works together and and my theory is is that the meo5 is basically the the the Frog Venom severes this col connection so your mind gets zero feedback from it it the body or any kind zero there's no feedback from the body and so it will perceive as you died because all the sensory data that would otherwise coming in just simply not there and so that's why possibly you
• 198:30 - 199:00 experience this state of like oh I just died like I had that experience like I went through that like holy [ __ ] it just died well you're not connected to anything back well you you're conscious yeah right but but I had this absolute certainty that I just died like it's an absolute certainty like and that's the recall same thing if you research it people talk about the ego that or people try to figure out what happens some people have it on NN some people have it on mu5 5 mu um and
• 199:00 - 199:30 the the experience that they talk about is that like they're trying to like I died and they have this absolute certainty that they did and I had the absolute certainty like holy cow it just game over just ended today you know well so you're a perfect person to ask I do want to ask you about this difference that the guy was describing because my impression also that the DMT NN at least feels very different than what I'm experiencing with them deep states of
• 199:30 - 200:00 meditation I've never had near death but from the descriptions and again this is why you're a perfect person to ask you don't feel that there's a difference in the essence of it like uh the digital nature of like how the DMT space feels doesn't it feel different to you than the what you experienc when you were 12 years old when you hid the truck uh maybe not I'm asking okay so so and in DMT to to to me that there's there's a in that space there's a very conscious
• 200:00 - 200:30 process that I can direct like I'm going in and I know that I'm going here I'm going there um like there's a complex process is going on like we you kind you know I kind of always talk about like look any psychedelics that that exist is you observing something in a theater right and you just take a different seat it's a different angle so every single opiates to THC to everything that has somehow Alters your perception altered
• 200:30 - 201:00 your perception but you look into the same theater act what is whatever is going on you just look at it from a different point with different Focus what's important to you not changed so you see something else it's it's what what what it means is what we talk about like you have this feel filter system yeah right so every single one of those substances change the filters what is important what isn't important so you look at it a different way uh DMT is the backstage bass like a good anal a good analog
• 201:00 - 201:30 what's going on what's going on in the theater not no longer matters now you see how these things are moved and oh yeah this guy fly in there's a there's a rope that he was you know so you see how the thing works right and then 5 mu is you're not in the theater you look at the whole thing the whole existence the whole thing from the outside like like if Ann was the backstage pass and see how things move and they very mechanical in some way digital you could even say
• 201:30 - 202:00 that things are built and there are different level of managements there is a tour manager there's a you know what I mean like everybody has a function there are various entities with different functions and levels of consciousness and power and then out of a sudden 5 is the elevator to the boss like we're going to the boss we're going all the way this is the guy this is the one Consciousness upper management no this is the B this is the ownership right here this is the boss I
• 202:00 - 202:30 love how you said it might be the saddle you're looking at everything from a satellite right and so you you go to the bus that's it's everything that is there is is here right so that's kind of how I would differentiate this right and so on Anon yeah right the experience is very conscious and I'm I'm I'm I know that I have complex processes and I think about things and and move things and I purposely in you know induce certain things and have you know
• 202:30 - 203:00 and I have encounters with creatures now everybody's experience is different I there was a time when I asked for help and I got help from creatures these were also grayish bluish creatures really tall this was the only time I can I wait that's the thing with your chest yeah oh that's a wild one I can walk around on DNT like it's you know I could operate you know vehicles I should operate you know what I mean but so you know
• 203:00 - 203:30 completely conscious this was the only kids yeah not just but you know it takes experience and hundreds of hundreds of times to being there but this was the only time when I was pushed back like a lot of people you know smoke the Mt and they laid back can experience it that way I sit in a meditation position this was the only time I got pushed back like I forcefully like I felt like just you know flat night I but I went into that space for a reason like I had this anger
• 203:30 - 204:00 and I couldn't explain and you know I'm meditating since I was a little kid right so it's not normal my general you know being is not you things just are whatever right and it's so it's really an alien experience to me that I had this pretaining just this this anger like I would wake up almost every day like I was just there was this anger and and and it was weird because I had a an outside perspective of it like I
• 204:00 - 204:30 realized like you know okay engine light is on why is it on yeah I was angry and but but it was sort of an external experience still like there was an anxiety like I would I would just do this all day like it's just so I knew that okay engine light is on there's something's wrong I'm angry and anxious and I am perceiving that and in a weird way I compartmentalize it it doesn't affect what I'm doing but it's just there that's why I mean like engine light is on so I'm aware that something
• 204:30 - 205:00 and it was not going away it just kept happening day after day after day for like 3 four five weeks and so you know and I meditate I do my things and and you know I'm like let's clear it and I would clear as much as possible but creeps back like what the hell and so I had this wild idea like you know what let's go into the space and let's find out let's let's go the mechanic let's let's see the doctors right and I went into this with with and you know this
• 205:00 - 205:30 was after I got back this was after I kicked out so this is to me this is again a reason that I'm coming in the space with Consciousness with with a purpose I came into this with a purpose and this was the again this is what I Lay My brick when I say this happened right and I'm going to Anchor that that this happened there's I was sitting there and I felt like a forcefully I was pushed back which is not normal to me like I fell back and there were these giant tall creatures around me I looked
• 205:30 - 206:00 up and they were if I would gauge 20 foot plus just huge creatures right kind of hovering over they had these long hands and I literally saw that they grabbed something there was was a to the like of it's an ugly potato was right here with a long Stinger like it's almost like a mosquito's head it was like some weird thing then I saw it and then they
• 206:00 - 206:30 grabbed this thing and they start pulling it and I could see this Stinger coming out of my chest it was going through my body and they were pulling this out right and then just carried it away and where is verifiable to me that I felt it I felt how I kind of relaxed and I'm like wow and the anxiety leaving me so so and I can cut ahead of the story that after this this whole anxiety and anger just went away so I verifiably
• 206:30 - 207:00 this happened because also the agreed upon reality thing that was happening to me stopped so I know that there is a physical proof that no longer this anxiety anger was no longer there wow and so the grabb this thing they took it away and then and this is the difference between 5mon and that here this this was 5 this is NN oh this is n because I can have a completely conscious logical conversation why you don't really have
• 207:00 - 207:30 that on five M it's you going to the bus and language and all that stuff stops right and here I got the packets of data like okay this is a thing that you guys meaning humans you call these demons but but it's not a a thing with a bad intention it's not a demon that's you just call it a demon and so what this is it's like you know when sharks are swimming they have the little fish goes around them and then they grab whatever
• 207:30 - 208:00 yeah mhm and so that's what it is you you have a certain frequency you put out a certain energy and and there are entities that will be attracted to that so technically it's a parasite right it's a parasite that something pissed you off let's say and then you are on that frequency you're angry and you're on that frequency and they are going to be parasites or creatures that are attracted to that you're leaking that now and then they will be around and they feed on that as long as you're
• 208:00 - 208:30 angry once your anger is gone they have no more food they will be gone but if you're angry today and tomorrow and after tomorrow and it keeps happening something bothers you and you keep yourself in this state these entities these parasites start to become familiar with you and they don't have much this was all told me told to me they don't have much a lot of complex processes but enough for them to know that okay this
• 208:30 - 209:00 is my food source now and I'm here for a while and I'm start to be familiar with this creature that giving me this food and so all we have to do is getting him in a position where he's pissed and then he will leak this food and so bad stuff starts happening to you because they don't they're not complex creatures but they can to some degree affect what happens in reality wow right so because they can affect your mental processes
• 209:00 - 209:30 because they now your little demons are attached to you right and you live your life and but your your mental process is not completely unaffected so that's basically what they said these creatures are affecting your mental processes enough to steer you just a little bit into the direction that you will be angry or dissatisfied so there you therefore you will generate that frequency that energy that they feed on so these creatures were basically telling me like okay we remove this thing but be careful don't do not you
• 209:30 - 210:00 know chill don't don't get back to this particular frequency be very conscious of it because they will be back wow so that was a you know and they removed this thing and then after that like it was just gone like like a a month worth of anger and and and unaccounted anger I don't know what I was angry about or this anxiety I don't know I I'm like I have no problems I don't I don't know what it is coming from yeah so that's why this was strange and so I used and
• 210:00 - 210:30 then the mty for this process and this is what happened and you know I don't care 8 billion people can you know argue about this I don't give a crap this happened right I I experienced this I don't care what you got to say about this this happened to me right and it's verifiable and I can verify it in the agreed upon reality right here I'm not anxious not angry and I was for about a month unexplainably right so so those
• 210:30 - 211:00 are those experiences when we got to drop the anchor like hey it happened nobody can take this away from me this this happened right and so um you know so like this was just an example of entities and how you know that process works in NN DMT for me it's rare that I come across entities to me it's a more of a it's very cerebral and and there are places I
• 211:00 - 211:30 go to like there is this place I would go to where I call it the Ecstasy of existence like it's almost like a giant structure and I I'm aware that there are a lot of beings are in there nonformal like these these are not like the entity that kicked me out I had a full vision of like a figure right these are almost like non figurative or non like what would be the word for it they don't have a form they don't yeah formless just I just I just feel the
• 211:30 - 212:00 energy and there are thousands of them in there just whirling and they're like in this state of ecstasy of almost like they realize that we exist and how amazing that is and so generally that's my process I go to the n in space with a intention first I body check the first hit is always am I clear to go meaning you know it's like Houston all systems are good are we angry are we distracted
• 212:00 - 212:30 are we cool am I sharp am I focused this has to be the first so I'm not distracted if I'm distracted with something then I stay in this space I will not take a second hit okay I will stay there and then and then I simply can find this place and I go there and I just I just exist and there is this ecstasy sort of feeling so I would and I know this place I go if I'm if my system check is not coming back clear there's an engine light on washer
• 212:30 - 213:00 liquid missing whatever freak it is right then I'm staying here and I'm going to go to this place and I just have this renewed happy sort of space and I just stay there if everything is cool then we go further and then those processes are very cere it's rare for me that I see entities and and count it's all this this mental obstruct processes now 5mo this none of this happen this is
• 213:00 - 213:30 elevator straight up there is nothing in between it just goes to dissolution and and and entering this space where everything is just this one thing yeah dude I mean it's it's really cool to listen to you describe this stuff like it seems like you're using it as a tool to enhance yes every part of your life yes absolutely yeah and I mean you're a great example of that just by the fact that all the things that you
• 213:30 - 214:00 do and and the success that you've had it's just it's so interesting to me like and you said I think you said earlier that there's the and I've described this to you too like there's this lingering effect afterwards MH after you do it maybe a few times and and like when you get back into the real world where maybe you're a little bit more tapped into something else and maybe your antenna is a little stronger each time you do it that kind of helps you with solving problems do you experience that yes the
• 214:00 - 214:30 the form of that is so so once you this is a very similar space to where meditation takes you I just feel like this is a fast tracking those things right but it's very similar and you realize that what all all this is about um reinforcing and optimizing your being not just your physical being but your
• 214:30 - 215:00 your mental process and the witness the witness is that thing I told you about where I can especially five meu actually that's that's that's that's one space when it's very obvious like you have your body your mind which is all the lexical data that you collected what you were taught all those things all your experiences on this planet how to operate everything that you know about things is your mind but there's an other layer the witness that sort of drives it
• 215:00 - 215:30 all so I would you know people can call it the soul the spirit or whatever you want to call it but there is this other thing that is just there right and and then you can be very um aware this differentiation like my very first fiveo years and years ago was I definitely had had this experience of like okay my body and then my mind was freaking out freaking out like oh we're
• 215:30 - 216:00 not going there like it they knew that the road is ending for them like the body like we I'm dying the mind is like who am I dissolving what's going to happen here like what happens to me there was that you know freak out and then but and I notice but I am also witnessing all this and the witness was felt undestructible and later in for you know many many other 5mu experiences I got to get a
• 216:00 - 216:30 hold of that like okay I got it I can't really die that this this the witness is is is permanent right and so so that that witness that Spirit whatever you call it that attention that that is inherently you you know it's just no matter what happens this exist and then the more you go there the more obvious that this exist so what you're going to get out of it one is that you stop being afraid of dying because it's not just you think I don't
• 216:30 - 217:00 have to believe that I can die I know I can't cuz I was there well the body can but yes but you know but that that thing can't right and so you that Soul you think that Soul just gets put into another container yes and then you just you you know MH and you when you experience it it's obvious like you you kind of laugh about or chuckle about which I had like that's funny like I'm just laughing at L while I'm in the space m because it's funny like how we didn't know that so how you
• 217:00 - 217:30 know so there's that that you you reinforce that understanding and when you stop being afraid of things that's obviously helping so that's five mu um and on nend you have these these these processes right and in these processes you can optimize yourself like there is it's very obvious like oh how everything happens even human emotions and how they structured right like you have this moment of realizing that I exist that
• 217:30 - 218:00 flash of like I am I'm here the very next feeling will be fear of losing that awareness of being and then you understand that every single thing that exists in human emotions is rooted in one of these existence and the fear of not existing yes and so negative from jealousy to fear everything that's negative in this yinyang is connected to the fear of
• 218:00 - 218:30 losing something but ultimately Your Existence ultimately your your your Consciousness and everything that's positive is I exist and need to enjoy that or love care all those belongs to that and then the whole play is the interaction between these two mhm if I can tell you that existence the one that the fear Shadows cannot be taken away from you
• 218:30 - 219:00 then now you can start knocking out these negatives because if I don't have to be afraid of dying or non-existing and all these negatives that are rooted in the shadow of existence can be start you know just throw them out not unnecessary right and then beyond that also there are processes that how repeatable Miracles right that's what I meant by it doesn't matter if I wanted to be a snowboard Champion or a
• 219:00 - 219:30 guitar player that mhm the principles are the same right and so you start to see the patterns of like Ah that's how this works so yeah there is definitely uh weaponization for yes you know what I mean of this oh okay right I can I can do this and and I can you know perform you know Miracles so to speak and then in that agreed upon reality space you have to keep track of the
• 219:30 - 220:00 Miracles because keep track of the Miracles means something that you wanted happens somebody you thought of show up something you know it happens to everyone synchron cities and we stuff right and what happens because we don't have a physical explanation we don't have a rule set how that happen or we just simply don't understand how they happen What Happens anything you know your mind can't hold two ideas that contradict each other it's not possible
• 220:00 - 220:30 for you to believe and not believe in the same time M this is why also I don't know if I would agree with that you you because but here's here's what I'm going to say if you're an offense you don't believe not that's why so my my philosophical answer to that is that either you are in if you have that you're not in so either you know I mean it's actually a Buddhist monk told me this he walked up to me on the street this this freaking happened a Buddhist monk walks up to me on the street this
• 220:30 - 221:00 is I just got initiated by this um these monks month before it which was a weird time in my life monks in New York City I live in New York City all the time you know the yellow rope tradition just walk up to me like oh hey you look good like the just knew it this was a strangest thing anyway so monk walks up to me and he goes uh do you believe I'm like well U I knew what he was asking you know sometimes yes sometimes no he was like
• 221:00 - 221:30 well you know it's it's a yes and everything else around that is a no sitting in a fence is a no right it's either yes and everything else you absolute or everything else is you know so anyway so that's my my opinion on it so yeah sure sure in an instance it might be right yeah I just I just feel like you can you know you can you can move between right pretty rapidly that that can definitely happen that's yes but but yeah because new information will change what what you you know so yes I 100% agree with new information
• 221:30 - 222:00 changes what you think instantly if you're not a rigid you know petrified person that is holding on to dogmatic crap right yeah but you know but beyond that what I meant by holding on to your Miracles is that when that happens like like I had a I had a close encounter right which if I told you everybody would think this gu is crazy right but it happened with Witnesses so it's crazy um your mind will try to find
• 222:00 - 222:30 an explanation and if it can't it will try to erase this because it's contradict your agreed upon reality right so what happens to all your Miracles when you start think about them like 5 years from now something crazy happened to you you start to question yourself did that did that really happen did I make it up did it did I over did I color this story maybe I embellished it a little bit right you start questioning your Miracles and I think it's important that that you write them down and hold on to them all the synchronicities all
• 222:30 - 223:00 the weird stuff and man you know because what that teaches you what more and more happens you more and more open to accept them and more and more open to accept them more and more happens mhm right because you are open to that possibility you're noticing that that channel basically yes yeah yeah so so what I get out of I mean I started with psychics in the mid90s right so obviously went down to the sil sibin and and LSD and and and
• 223:00 - 223:30 all that experimenting and you know I never touched anything until I had a friend who was a professor and I highly respected him and he started to talk to me about it and I'm like hm if this person that I highly respected massive intellectual gianti is talking about this I need to understand what's happening here that's kind of what what happened with psych and then so from the Geto I never went into that space with like hey let's just get [ __ ] up and you know that was never that I don't do
• 223:30 - 224:00 that it was always intentional and it always as a I always took it I'm an Explorer and I'm going to sail best and let's see if we find a continent you know what I mean like that was always my my thing so that was always my relation with this and because of that I came into this with a scientific mind and the the Explorer's mind and so that means you observe you stay pragmatic take notes find
• 224:00 - 224:30 patterns that's how I approach it and so that's what I've been doing for decades after decades and so my relation is dot to the space and so because my relationship was that instead of like woohoo party um if eventually I could create these structures like okay I see processes okay this works oh I can use this and you know what I mean and and what what that happens what what it does it's it modifies 100% modified who I am in fact I don't think I'm the same
• 224:30 - 225:00 person you know like I would go as far like if if you can modify yourself genetically turn on certain genes and turn off certain genes I'm pretty sure that I have right right and you know and then I of course and I went down to the Transcendental Meditation and all that stuff as well MH parallel to this that you know like you go into that space and with a flashlight let's let's see who I am everything all the corners leave nothing on turn because I
• 225:00 - 225:30 have to look at everything that ever happened to me everything that ever taught to me and told me was embedded when I was a kid mhm is the data real did I understand it correctly first and foremost and was that real Is that real is it verifiable you were taught like don't cross your eyes because it stays that way is that true right see I mean that the dumbest low things everything that was taught to me had to go through that process and discover that is it
• 225:30 - 226:00 real or should I discard that's the point of that so I transcend into a different person everything that you know and it's a little bit of a in between Transcendental Meditation and and the recapitulation of the Carlos custody in a sort of the the the man of knowledge of the Mesoamerican tribes how they were handling that there is a process like how to clean house so this is the the big cleaning house and so I went through that and so the combination of exploring new territories through psychics psychs and going through
• 226:00 - 226:30 traditional well traditional in quote actually processes of of of meditation and and the cleaning has the recapitulation process of of let's change who I am let's optimize let's build you know Warhammer for 40K right like let's rebuild let's build a machine let's build a war machine that is conscious and can do these things and how I can make I can give you examples like how um just one of them right so
• 226:30 - 227:00 how crazy this this process is since I was a kid um once I start playing Guitar every time I tune my guitar I I kind of lean away from the guitar I had this fear of the guitar strings break and hit me in the face I had this fear and so I always like you know stayed away from it I did that my whole life until I find why I'm doing it so when I was a kid somewhere around six seven years old
• 227:00 - 227:30 we used to have a commercial on TV when a little girl was playing violin MH right and then playing something and out of a sudden like you came that the the string breaks right and then the violin goes you know just because she broke a and it was a life insurance commercial right the metaphor was that anything can happen in life and we have this in my language it makes all the sense that the string of Life can break and you know you need life insurance a
• 227:30 - 228:00 six years old not going to understand this right concept right all I saw string breaks and the little like the little girl that playing the violin not need life insurance what happened to her so ever since I'm tuning my guitar leaning away from the guitar because that thing was in there I was not aware of this until I'm doing my recapitulations my trans meditation and as I said it's a big flashlight you're finding all the dumb [ __ ] that you ever thought of or did or been thought of and
• 228:00 - 228:30 so I found this like oh that's why you're doing that you don't have to do that that was a metaphor throw it thatan so that's that's that's an actual example of what kind of stuff you find that craziest stuff is in there like imagine you and your personality was formed in the first six seven years of your life by who people were saying they didn't want to tell you the truth because you were a kid right so parents were teachers were all lying to you
• 228:30 - 229:00 about stuff because they didn't want to tell you the truth you know like babies come with a bird and dropped in a chimney whatever the hell they were telling you right wait what are you trying to say yeah right you have a you have a bird on the way see I mean so so there's there's dumb stuff that was taught to you and there are irrational fears that were you know all that stuff you you become a person and the personality of yours was was constructed in a time when you were not really conscious of that right so
• 229:00 - 229:30 it's kind of unbeknown to you who you are yeah and that's a point let's go back and I feel like psychics are super charging that like I can really look at things like what's going on here who am I how do I modify this person into the most optimal form the the reason that what you're saying right now stands out to me is super important is because this is actually something that people can verify for themselves easily even in the in the crazier ways not in the like the
• 229:30 - 230:00 cuz what everything you just said can still be folded into kind of like the psychoanalytical frame right but even in the crazier things like people don't necessarily have to go into psychedelics because to be fair there are worse things than than not existing like suffering forever so you know that there are worse things right um but but no but and and I the fear but but everything that zultan did in his life revolved around a simple attitude
• 230:00 - 230:30 which is I'm going to find out for myself and I think that is such an important thing to emphasize uh recently I told this to Zan yesterday uh this was told to me by a friend of mine and he read it somewhere some only cutting somebody out from the chain of commands that actually Ed the idea but it's a cool experiment the friend Nik like told me about it basically you you sit down in the house before you do some mundane task Bank store whatever it is that you're about to do okay sit down close your eyes for
• 230:30 - 231:00 a second Envision yourself with everything you're wearing as accurately as possible where you're going to be if it's at the bank in front of the taer doing whatever you're doing okay if it's at the store maybe the cashier doing the checkout whatever it is is that you're going to be doing Envision yourself there and then say please deliver me there safely simple then when you at that spot standing in front of the taer in the bank you don't have to close your eyes obviously look [ __ ] but uh tell
• 231:00 - 231:30 Envision yourself on that couch 10 minutes earlier sitting there talk to yourself in the past say thank you for delivering me here safely so what's interesting is that you basically create a portal you communicate to existence I understand how this works I know at the moment from my limited perspective I think of it as like oh what do you mean I just got up and I went to the bank no it's An Occurrence that happened because you had an aim you had a vision you stayed with it it's a simple one that
• 231:30 - 232:00 you do all the time and you can accomplish easily but you're signifying that you understand how it actually works which is you have an intention you have an energy you're putting into the intention and you're staying on it for a particular amount of time until it occurs exactly how you wanted it to happen you you don't necessarily know how you're moving your hand or moving your body or you just kind of accept it to be true but what actually happened when you wanted to go to the bank you had all these ideas about going there and then you had an impulse and you stayed with that impulse the point is that when you start communicating to
• 232:00 - 232:30 yourself across time this way quote unquote you're starting showing wait can I do this with thing that I don't necessarily expect to happen this is where you start playing with it this is what I mean by anybody can anybody can verify this the practice is that you're supposed to be expending the amount of Miracles or uh synchronicities that can happen to you and you can test this so then you go okay next time I'm going to the bank I'm going to imagine I'm going to do the same deliver me there safely but I'm
• 232:30 - 233:00 also going to Envision something that might not happen like uh I'm going to see somebody with a pink hat or something if you show up to the bank and somebody has even clothes something pink distinctively pink on their head go oh interesting thank you for delivering me here safely also yes interesting and then you start playing with it okay what how far can I take this I'm going to the bank I'm going to
• 233:00 - 233:30 meet somebody on the way and I'm going to have some kind of a big life change and I and you start believing in it because like well dude that's that was crazy like why would they have a pink thing on your head and now you start playing with it try this try this anybody can try this testing The Matrix I had this dude on here uh Eric Wargo who wrote a book called time Loops have you heard of it no fascinating uh book he wrote about basically the idea of how time is like a loop and he what what he started doing was he started recording his dreams down and then [ __ ] that was
• 233:30 - 234:00 happening in his dreams was happening in his future right so like and then he also points out all these times in history where people had dreams that actually happened like where people like that were like jotting down their dreams dreams had things happen for example and even around big events the Titanic there was multiple people who had dreams about the Titanic sinking even somebody who wrote a book about it right before it happened there was during right before yeah that's a thing pull it up Steve Steve's got it that's crazy um also
• 234:00 - 234:30 before 9/11 there was hundreds and hundreds of people who woke up and talked about having dreams about Towers being taken down by airplanes right before 911 happened and um like the idea is that the idea is the future predicts the past as well as the other way as well as the other way around it's one system that communicates to itself
• 234:30 - 235:00 across all time back and forth and just one BL yeah right or there is no time or there is no time and it's one un so like if you if you know if your future self is projecting is is is somehow communicating with your past self saying like oh I'm successful I've done all these things I've achieved all these amazing things you somehow have this intuition that like I need to to become this this is what I like this int intuitive thing you can't really describe that you know is your path and
• 235:00 - 235:30 your journey right but what it really is is your future self communicating with you and he has this whole I'm I'm [ __ ] this up a little bit no no I I I'm in full agreement with that and I think it's just that the more you have these check marks of like yeah that worked again in Zan's example it's very pronounced because he knew he was going to be a rockstar when he was like 14 right so but he knew it's not like he just postulated he communicated that across time to say I know that well enough to know that just to step into that frame is there a world line for a
• 235:30 - 236:00 version of Zan that didn't get there yes it's the one that didn't postulate it strongly enough so now that sounds like one of these oh parallel univers test it Multiverse try it it's not cost you nothing to try this right and I promise you there's going to be something there that's going to occur and again don't fall into any like silly trap of like well you know I wanted to see some silly hat but somebody then I went outside and on the way back home I saw a pink bubble gum that doesn't count like be fair with
• 236:00 - 236:30 the you know with your assessments but the more you're fair with your assessments and like you're a better manifestor it's just that you're better in envisioning things and connecting to them in a way that will actually make it happen and when you pay more attention to them they have more and I gave find just Google the book Steve Google the Titanic book that came out before the Titanic sunk sorry you want a water or something mm Ste we grab my liquid death liquid death um before so I was explaining this this thing that happened to me recently where I uh we'll get you the water right
• 236:30 - 237:00 I um there's this dude who um is friends we got any left y yeah yes nice thanks Steve thank you awesome there there's this guy who's my my dad um worked at the post office with forever and I see the guy you know sometimes when I go to my parents house he's there I see him maybe like three times a year something like that right
• 237:00 - 237:30 he's just like this funny New Yorker guy I never think about him I I mean that's mean to say but I don't really like he's he's like he's on the very he's on the very far periphery of like people in my life right not somebody I think about every day I happened to be driving home one day and I random thought popped into my head about him like his voice popped into my head saying I was imagining how he would react to something I knew was going to happen in the future like I knew I knew I was going to see him in the near future and I was just thinking about like what our interaction would be
• 237:30 - 238:00 so Random it popped into my head no reasonable explanation to why that thought popped into my head 10 seconds later he calls me right the dudes called me five times in the last 15 years those are the Miracles I'm saying that you have to keep track of so your mind does not delete them as as unexplainable phenomena because your your mind is not comfortable that's why I kind of said that uh you know doesn't like conflicting information and in our
• 238:00 - 238:30 everyday reality we're not talking about miracles we're not talking about these things it's not a a thing that everybody just agrees so it kind of goes against the grain of of General agreed upon reality but they happen and so so the more you keep track of them the more you solidify them no no no that happened that happened do not erase this data this do not bleach bit or whatever this keep this data right the more you have the more um the more acco accustomed you
• 238:30 - 239:00 are to the Miracles and so the more you can perform and once you accomplish a bunch of impossible things in turn you any task is front of you you no longer thinking about which is the enemy you no longer have doubts oh I'm going to do that I have no doubts that's what Danny was referring to we had this conversation that when did you know and I'm like I was a kid I knew exactly what I was going to do there was no never a moment in my life and I thought this might not happen never not for a second
• 239:00 - 239:30 and I would say that it's the weaponization of your intent so intent is a really interesting thing because let's say to give you a pragmatic example you get in the morning and say I'm going to go get some bread that's my intent I'm going to go and get bread you get in your car you get a phone call from your friend he gets a flat tire well I'm going to go help him then uh some time passed and are you hungry yeah sure let's go eat like you go to eat so
• 239:30 - 240:00 the as you see the path is Now is really convoluted the all over city as long as you didn't forget for a second that you left your house for bread right you're good because the the the the P path to success is not a straight line the path to achieving the things you want is not a straight line life will knock your around but the important part is do Vision the intent has to stay there unphased that light is there forever
• 240:00 - 240:30 until you achieve that and then once you achieve that check mark I got it m you fulfill that cycle and then you probably have more goals more things that you want to do and every single time you fulfill one you check mark those and keep keep track of them that I did that I did that that was impossible yet we hear all those Miracles and then what happens that's just a record keeping for for your own mind so you not habitually delete these things and you believe in your own Miracles but in turn what
• 240:30 - 241:00 happens to you is that whatever Vision I have whatever I want to do I don't have the automatic question of yeah but that's not possible that's maybe too difficult oh it's going to cost a lot of money oh I don't know the right people I don't have those thoughts zero silence I have a goal I focus on it and I'm going to go and get it right I don't have the doubt process yes and the reason I don't have the doubt process because since I was a kid I'm practicing this keep track
• 241:00 - 241:30 of the Miracles and there's a state of mind that state of mind that and being that amplifies these things so definitely with DMT and with certain meditative States uh I don't know if you know this but all the participants in the dmtx study in Imperial College I hope I'm not confabulating this but I'm pretty sure that Al Alexander Boehner and his book uh the the bigger picture is describ he was one of the test subjects and he is talking about I think he said all of them experience an
• 241:30 - 242:00 incredible uptake in these synchronicities even before they started the the actual tests so like I think it was like a month before and they all started experiencing crazy the crazy synchronicities during and a few months after like tapered off and when you are in certain like I guess calm States or like uh after deep meditative States all of a sudden all of these things are much more pronounced you can see them but at the same time you see that you just flow through them you're not even trying to
• 242:00 - 242:30 grab them or anything like this this thing that people call Burning Man magic it's a real thing it's like when people go to burning man there's this insane optic and synchronicities that happen there that way outside of the realm of just chance and I think it's because that everybody kind of in a particular state that just kind of makes these things happen but again this is anybody can test this you know Ricky Jer famously said I don't know why cuz he started kind of late in his life and he said I don't know why but I always I just knew it's all going to be all right like I don't never even when we had no
• 242:30 - 243:00 money like I was just like isn't it weird it's like something when you when you have this knowledge like this this this deep knowing of what's going to happen right how it's going to end up it like it dictates your actions to get there right like dictates every moveie you make in your life like I I have a similar feeling when I was young which is what I think is the reason that in my life when I have big goals that I wanted to to do
• 243:00 - 243:30 or to achieve I I the analogy I use is I always dove into the swimming pool before it was full of water and I would just [ __ ] like I would have to make sure or somehow believe that that water would fill up before I got in the pool where I like I make the big leap right knowing that it's possible it's that I could land and lose I could miss my mark and lose everything but I'm like [ __ ] hoping to God that I'm going to land on
• 243:30 - 244:00 Solid Ground you know and I always find a way to land on Solid Ground and I don't like like I always take the risk you burn the boats patterns right right yes yeah burn the boat the but there are the patterns again look at the patterns right the pattern is like let's say we talk about creative Vis visualization it's a thing people talk about it books were written about it the principles are the same right um the universe yield to willpower
• 244:00 - 244:30 MH right countless books about that countless thoughts about that if you look at the underlying patterns again you you're going to find oh there is something here right and um and so to weaponize it and and and make it in a pragmatic practical practice there is something about falling one side of this fence either you are happening to this world
• 244:30 - 245:00 or this world is happening to you mhm and it's a mind State and you have to make a choice and if typically when people you know if I come from a pragmatic perspective which that's the I live on and that's the choice I made I was born into this world allegedly it was here before I came right we don't know actually but allegedly there's a history allegedly is not a software that was downloaded into me like it's not like I just start to play Call of Duty and all
• 245:00 - 245:30 the buildings were there for whatever reason because the programmer put it there right so we could argue about like was it really here but let's say you know I was born into this world the world was already here that means I am impacting this world whatever say do whatever activities I'm going to have in this world I am changing now it's course because I'm here MH right so I'm an impactor right and if I take that side and I accept it like okay that means I it also comes with responsibility whatever I'm going to do will affect permanently this physical reality and it
• 245:30 - 246:00 will have long lasting impact right so I'm responsible for the things I will say and do in this world that's one side or while you know that the the the the victim mentality of like I'm here and why did this happen to me why me why me there's there and if you look at people they fall on one side of the story the victim mentality is I'm here all these things are happening to me and you know
• 246:00 - 246:30 I see why it's easy to take that side because data is flying at you 24/7 so you you because you're a perceiver it's easy to to to take that stance like I'm here and I'm perceiving all these things all these things are happening and all these things happen to me and sto my toe and it was it's your fault not the couch right but all and the people do this to me and that and and then you pick that side and so you are now you're a traveler you're you're a not a traveler
• 246:30 - 247:00 a passenger you're a passenger in this and generally those people don't really go far in life you're a passenger you're a victim totally or you say I'm no no no I'm here you guys have to live with me now yeah I'm here I arrived and you know it sounds like well that's an egoistic point of view yeah yeah yeah I am here I that's what the ego I am I'm here and I am going to impact this world and I'm going to live by my rules as much as possible I'm going to do the things I want to do right and if you are solid in
• 247:00 - 247:30 that side you will succeed you have to because you also take responsibility like anything that happened to me right is my fault or my achievement if I was on a wrong place in the wrong time even not I some sign I missed something I didn't read some some I was there I got myself there I didn't accidentally appear somewhere out of nowhere without my will being involved so I take full responsibility for everything there is in my life right
• 247:30 - 248:00 that mentality that sort of that path will that will make you successful there's no other way and now coupled that with this idea of unbending intent whatever I focus on now I'm not going to take my eyes off of it even though I'm understanding that I will have to do a million other things but not for a second I forget I'm I'm I'm going for the bread that I ended in the morning you're still you still left the house to go get that bread and all these things
• 248:00 - 248:30 you can find it through again meditation or the spiritual processes right or you can shortcut it because you can find it in those spiritual Realms through psych looks as well and and and the two together actually pretty powerful because one enforces the other one verifies the other and then you always have this world this agreed upon reality when when I can check it did this work mhm right it wasn't like
• 248:30 - 249:00 well let me read your palem and right you know right and then this is no this is verifiably I wanted to do that happened I wanted to experience that experience that and then the more and more you have the more and more will will happen you just open the door for that that's an actual mechanical process well guys we just did a 4-Hour podcast no way really oh my God oh God I think I think
• 249:00 - 249:30 it's a perfect spot to end this this has been been a [ __ ] a mind melt of a conversation man I appreciate you guys both for coming to doing this thank you brother thank you for having us it was [ __ ] awesome meeting you brother here um thank you brother thank you for having us yeah yes of course uh tell people where they can find out the next thing you're doing with the dmtx experiment and uh or not the dmtx exper the the laser reality the laser code of reality experiment so they can always go to the website Cod of reality.com we
• 249:30 - 250:00 have we have a new website coming up right now and D go thoughts on YouTube d n g thoughts uh and code of reality Inc is basically going to be now an official thing and we're going to be working to actually you know bringing the right kind of Minds together we have Incredible Minds coming into the space from literally well I don't know how many of them I can talk about yet but from scientists to people who are like you know like just higher level thinkers and uh uh software engineers and like we
• 250:00 - 250:30 really have incredible people that are coming online and we're very excited about bringing everybody together and encouraging more entities around us to also do more of the same more of like investigative processes that are more open-minded uh and more also I guess openhearted so not so much rigid with what they believe is true including more things um and Zan I mean Zan uh I mean I guess you're a famous person but where
• 250:30 - 251:00 where can people find your your we need to get your your band some more views where can we uh it has a very familyfriendly name of Five Finger that punch actually came from a kung fu movie but you know it's it's a manifestation of things well I yes and no I mean it's a there was an old kung fu movie Five Fingers of that oh and then and then remember the the five what was it the fivepoint exploding heart technique in uh Hill bill right oh
• 251:00 - 251:30 yeah like I was literally watching that movie and I'm like man that sounds so ridiculous it should be a band name so here we are right so so you look at it and the do com wasn't taken because it was so crazy right so it's both the best and the worst Pand name on the planet you know because when pretty incredible well you know when some old lady sitting next right some old lady sitting next to me on the airport and and ask me like oh you look like a musician I'm like oh here we go we I'm going have to tell her you know so I'm going to preface it like
• 251:30 - 252:00 so do you know what kung fu is cuz otherwise you get the faces but look yes that's that's the manifestation of of all that what we we are talking about so that's that's a vehicle for me but but then he was saying I I would add to that like that's exactly what has to happen I think we need to achieve a critical mass m that means High tank you know High Achievers and and and and high level thinkers you know the intellectual Giants need to come together and and
• 252:00 - 252:30 explore this there are a lot of the lot of people involved there a lot of them are already there and most of them will not yet speak out like I was silent about it for over two decades because it just wasn't time there was not a you know right now we can talk about you know uh encounters with you know with with ex terrs and people no longer thinks that you're crazy 20 years ago you definitely was I had experiences that had Witnesses and we were like holy cow this is actually happening right
• 252:30 - 253:00 that ton years ago I couldn't even open my mouth about and then so this psych space was kind of similar so as I said we reaching that space where end of childhood and and then we need to pull together the the people so we can create achieve the critical mass and we start to define the agreed upon rules or reality of dot space the same way we Define what this is Right There Are
• 253:00 - 253:30 Rules there there are happenings that and and and visions and and things that we see and experience that are verifiable by massive amount of people so that means there is a rule set there is this is real there is something here that that is important and what's more important than than try to find these answers why are we here what is happening what is perception what what is going on really that is the underlying question on everything else
• 253:30 - 254:00 everything that exists around us from science to everything is basically the a form of discovery of that very basic original question what is going on what is this why what are we what why what's our purpose dot I don't think there is a more important question than that I agree I think what you guys are doing is really pushing the conversation forward in a big big big way so um aw we should definitely do this again down the road man ABS hopefully we have fun
• 254:00 - 254:30 things to update on oh yeah man all right guys thank you D good night everybody