The Journey from Hospitality to Headline

The future of dissent | Mark Granza (IM-1776)

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Summary

In this engaging podcast, the host from Conscious Caracal sits down with Mark Granza, the founding editor of the publication I AM 1776, to discuss the origins and mission of his platform. The publication seeks to redefine mainstream conservative narratives and propose new ways forward. Mark shares his intriguing personal journey from working in hospitality to becoming a prominent figure in online publishing. They explore the necessity of creating new institutions outside traditional ones, inspired by different global contexts, including specific challenges faced in South Africa. The conversation dives deep into the essence of building platforms, the philosophical underpinnings of art, and how hard times foster unique solutions. Through shared experiences and insights, listeners are encouraged to reconsider their relationship with existing societal structures and tap into the potential of new beginnings.

Highlights

Mark, initially a hospitality worker, became a publisher to challenge mainstream politics. 🏨➡️📰
His publication, I AM 1776, critiques conservatism and proposes forward-thinking ideas. 📘💭
There’s a strong focus on the need for alternative institutions and culture-making. 🏛️🎭
The podcast highlights the role of aesthetics and thoughtful presentation in engaging audiences. 🌟📸
Conversations about global challenges, particularly in South Africa, enrich the narrative. 🇿🇦🌍

Key Takeaways

Mark Granza transitioned from hospitality to starting a publication, emphasizing the power of new beginnings. 🌟
I AM 1776 aims to challenge and redefine the conservative narrative, pushing beyond conventional boundaries. 🔍
Creating new platforms was highlighted as crucial, inspired by broader global contexts like South Africa. 🌍
The discussion underscores the importance of aesthetics and meaningful content in producing impactful media. 🎨
Listeners are motivated to adopt a realistic yet optimistic view of societal challenges and opportunities. 🚀

Overview

Mark Granza and Conscious Caracal delve into the inception of I AM 1776, a publication aimed at pushing conservative thought beyond its usual limits. Through personal anecdotes and professional insights, Mark recounts his unexpected journey from the hospitality industry to the world of political publishing, illustrating the potential for change and adaptation even in unconventional paths.

The discourse widely covers the creation of decentralized platforms as a response to the limitations of traditional media and cultural institutions. By drawing from international perspectives, particularly from South Africa, the conversation highlights how global struggles can inspire innovative alternatives. The dialogue encourages the development of new structures supporting diverse ideas and steady socio-political progression.

The aesthetic dimension plays a pivotal role in I AM 1776's identity, as discussed by Mark. With attention to visual and content quality, the publication seeks to captivate and inform its readership. The conversation concludes with an appeal for listeners to maintain a practical yet hopeful outlook, motivating individuals to actively engage with and potentially reshape their environments.

Chapters

00:00 - 01:30: Introduction and Guest Welcoming The chapter begins with a greeting from the host, Hill Adams van Zyl, also known as the 'conscious caracal,' broadcasting from the Dark Continent. The focus of the discussion shifts away from Africa to explore the future of dissent. Special guest Mark Granza, the founding editor of 'I am 1776,' is introduced. The publication aims to highlight the shortcomings of mainstream conservative movements and seeks to explore alternative paths forward.
01:30 - 04:00: Mark's Background and Journey The chapter titled 'Mark's Background and Journey' initiates with an introduction to Mark, who is making his debut on YouTube. The discussion emphasizes the significance of Mark's current situation and what he aims to achieve with his platform, though further details are anticipated as the conversation unfolds. There's a sense of anticipation as Mark begins to share his journey, underscored by a friendly welcome from the host.
04:00 - 06:30: Interest in Politics and 2016 Awakening The chapter delves into Aaron's indirect style of content sharing, where he relies on others to promote his material. This opening sets the stage for a personalized discussion with Mark, who is prompted to share his personal journey. Mark reflects on his path that led him to become the founding editor of 'I am 1776', a significant milestone in his career. The dialogue hints at a deeper exploration of Mark's experiences and motivations, illustrated against the backdrop of political interest and awakening evident since 2016.
06:30 - 09:00: Brexit, Trump, and Further Political Exploration The chapter begins with a reflection on personal journey, particularly focusing on the late 20s as a transformative period. Despite having no clear indicators or plans in the early years, the speaker finds themselves in an unexpected career as an editor or running a publication. This path was not evident during their education or early aspirations. The narrative illustrates a broader theme of unexpected career development and exploration.
09:00 - 12:30: Discovering Conservatism and Launching a Publication The chapter explores the author's budding interest in American politics, which began with a fascination for conspiracies during their teenage years. This interest, however, wasn't very deep until 2016. It was during this period, while residing in London and working, that the author started to pay more attention to political developments, leading to a deeper understanding of conservatism and inspiring them to initiate a publication.
12:30 - 15:00: Mark's Role and Publication Aesthetics In this chapter titled 'Mark's Role and Publication Aesthetics,' the focus is on a person's perspective on traditional institutions and political happenings that shifted global paradigms in 2016. The individual describes themselves as a high school dropout who has always had a rebellious streak, showing little trust in institutions. The turning point came in 2016 with significant worldwide events such as Trump's election and Brexit, particularly the latter as they were residing in the UK. These events caused widespread political discourse, even among individuals who would usually not engage in such discussions.
15:00 - 18:00: Challenges of Building New Publications The chapter explores the author's journey of delving into politics more deeply and realizing their conservative or right-wing beliefs. It discusses how returning to Italy prompted further reflection on societal and global issues, leading to a more defined ideological stance.
18:00 - 22:00: The Art Problem and Aesthetic Considerations The chapter explores the themes of anti-establishment positions and the shifting perceptions of political alignment in relation to power and control within society. The discussion centers around the notion that opposing the ruling powers or elites has often been associated with left-wing ideology. However, this view is questioned and analyzed within the context of artistic and aesthetic considerations, suggesting that such opposition can manifest across the political spectrum. The narrative delves into personal experiences and reflections on these themes, illustrating the complex and multifaceted nature of political identity and artistic interpretation.
22:00 - 26:00: Recognition of Mark's Work and Future Directions The chapter discusses Mark's journey with social conservatism despite not fully aligning his lifestyle with these beliefs. He expresses a consistent aversion to progressive ideologies, particularly consumer culture. As the chapter unfolds, Mark describes his attempts to become more informed and deepen his understanding of the issues he is passionate about.
26:00 - 33:00: Funding and Support for Publications The chapter titled 'Funding and Support for Publications' explores the author's personal political journey. Initially identifying with conservative values, the author became briefly involved in the intellectual dark web movement. However, their perspective shifted around 2018 to 2019, influenced by interactions and observations on Twitter. During this period, they encountered various smaller figures contributing to the broader discourse, which influenced their understanding and approach to conversations within the intellectual sphere.
33:00 - 37:00: Closing Thoughts and Reflections The chapter titled 'Closing Thoughts and Reflections' discusses the narrator's perception of societal changes and their personal journey towards alternative viewpoints. The narrative begins with them finding more sense in non-mainstream ideas compared to mainstream norms. Their journey down this 'rabbit hole' leads them to explore radical or alternative perspectives on society and governance. The chapter reflects on the pivotal events of 2020, particularly the enactment of lockdowns in Italy. Initially, the narrator was supportive of these measures, albeit for a short duration, suggesting a swift change in their perspective as events unfolded.

The future of dissent | Mark Granza (IM-1776) Transcription

00:00 - 00:30 all right greetings from the Dark Continent conscious caracal Hill Adams van zyl here to shine a light not this time on Africa but rather on the future of descent and joining me here tonight for this very interesting and important topic is Mark granza he's the founding editor of the publication I am 1776 and this publication describes its Mission as to expose the limits of mainstream conservative movements and to start thinking of a way forward that fully
00:30 - 01:00 recognizes the seriousness of our situation now that's very much in a short nutshell and we're going to be going a bit more into exactly what Mark is trying to achieve with his uh with his platform and Mark also tells me this is his YouTube debut so uh I'm looking forward to this conversation welcome on the show Mark oh thanks it's great to be here man all right so um just before we start uh just a reminder to the audience as the prudentialist always says uh
01:00 - 01:30 Aaron's is uh doesn't show his own content so others have others have to shill it for him so I would appreciate it if some of you uh share the link uh get some people here let's grow that audience um so Mark let's start off with a on a personal note just your uh your own background what's your where did your journey start that that deposited you in this position where you ended up um being the the founding edits of I am 1776 where does your journey start and what happened in between up until now
01:30 - 02:00 um well it started I would say um late in my 20s actually um you know if you were asking me in my early 20s I will end up if you told me that my early twenties are probably gonna end up you know being an editor or like running a publication will never believed you really wasn't like uh there was nothing really in my previous in my uh like late teens or early tweens of my education or anything that that's so like suggested I might never find myself in this position so I was really like um I've always had some somewhat of an interesting interest in um
02:00 - 02:30 uh in a like American politics in general I've always been fascinated uh I started I guess I've started so like uh become interested like in a lot of like conspiracies late in my teens and stuff like that and stuff like that and but it really never never really went deep I never never really bothered to to pay that much attention to what's going on until I was until really like 2016 I was saying I was living in London at the time and uh um I was working um like in the
02:30 - 03:00 hospitality industry you know my high school dropout also so I you know I've never really had that much interest in uh um no I had a lot of interest I really haven't had that much um trust in institutions or whatever so always been a little bit of a rebel that's that's been one constant in my life and then in 2016 it was like you know the award the whole world seemed like it was like going crazy you know and uh uh Trump and brexit happened especially brexit because I was in the UK I was in London and so like everyone started like um you know giving their takes and talking about politics people never talk
03:00 - 03:30 politics before and so you know I was always I always wanted to have like the last score in the arguments whenever something like came up about the state of the society and the world or whatever so I decided to just like dig a little bit deeper and and trying to figure out what's going on then you know shortly after that I had to return to Italy for a few circumstances and uh and he just died just went down down a rabbit hole essentially and I just became more and more aware of actually my conservatism or like my my right wingness whatever you want to call it uh and I never
03:30 - 04:00 really thought that it was a right winger because I was a um I was Associated myself like anti-establishment um um so like positions and and tendencies in China with the left so you probably would have asked me early twenty would have said there was a leftist or something yeah you started with uh with anyone that was anti The Establishment at that time Auntie the powers that be the parts that uh control your Society at that time right right yeah you always uh I mean there's somebody still people today to this day they think you know if you're opposed to power if you're supposed to saw like the elites you saw like a left-wing
04:00 - 04:30 revolutionary or something like that uh but I always have always been a little bit of a social conservative that was although I wasn't really like living that kind of Life uh but uh you know I would always dislike the sort of like all Progressive um uh things you know like consumer culture and so like all of that stuff uh and and then essentially when I began to when I begin sort of like uh become uh try to read more and become more informed and sort of like try to um dig deeper and trying to find out
04:30 - 05:00 exactly what my my my position was I found out you know I was actually quite conservative in general and uh you know there was a there was like the old intellectual dark web thing going on a little bit I was a little into that at the beginning uh but I didn't last long you know I saw like I don't start to pay attention on Twitter you know sometimes on like 2018 2019 and I started finding all these accounts and so like these um this this smaller you know figures you
05:00 - 05:30 know they were making more sense uh than than the mainstream really you know and and so it was already that like going down a rabbit hole it was more and more radical whatever you want to call it was more like you know alternative um so like takes on on the current state of society government Etc and and then 2020 happened and then 2020 was just like too much to take it was in Italy uh that the lockdowns began and you know I was actually quite in favor of the the first two weeks though first I maybe even less than that like a week it seems like you know there was not much
05:30 - 06:00 um information really available so it seemed like a good idea like a decent ideal like the best available but that didn't last long it's just like and then the riots really and I even I'm not even American I've been to America twice in my life uh but the rise it was just there was something that you know the Floyd riots in 2020 the the summer Riots of of black lives matter it was just too much to take at the same time the hypocrisy although it's not really a box I don't like to use that word but they so like double standard of the origin there was too much to take and so I had this website uh and it was just building
06:00 - 06:30 my own blog which is actually I am 1776 today and I decided to turn into a publication literally like that one day I was talking to a friend and I said it and two weeks later I launched the website so that's basically how I ended up here now nothing really that that would have indicated in my previous life that I would be in this position now yeah no that's uh I think we all have a fascinating story uh but that leads us up to where we are now um something that I actually wanted to also know now that we are on the topic of you starting your publication do you have any are you a
06:30 - 07:00 writer where do your talents and your strengths lie do you think are you more into this specifically the publication game what do you think is your your main strengths I I have no talents I'm just uh I'm just a guy at the end of scene getting lucky no I'm not really uh you know I always say this like you know when I when I you know I have a couple of podcasts before and I guess I can say there's something good like to manage expectations or just like you know you know to put it out there you know I'm really not not a writer not only
07:00 - 07:30 intellectual uh another thing another scholar and anything like that I'm literally just you know some guy is trying to make sense of things and uh I think what I what I do contribute in uh I think you know I've written some stuff before I published you know as I said like after 2016 I got more into uh you know the state of what's going on et cetera uh and and I published a couple of Articles here and there but it was nothing really big and really by by 2020 as I said I found lady this community of people that were really insightful they were you know some of these people were Anonymous some
07:30 - 08:00 some were not really don't mind that at all uh and uh they were they were making the sense you know I was really interested I was really interested in what we're saying uh I I find insightful I learned a lot you know paying attention to some of these accounts some of these uh um yeah it was mostly on Twitter and you know I knew that you know essentially the reason why because I decided Publications because I knew the sort of like alternative solution that we were uh looking for that were not going to come for me you know I reached a point
08:00 - 08:30 in my life where I you know I've been arrogant uh in the past I've been so like you know uh I thought I was always right you know but I reached that stage in my life but I knew was uh you know that I'm a limited I'm a limited guy right and and so you know but in a way it's like understanding my limits it was kind of like you know you I like to say you know once you understand your limits your the possibility becomes Limitless you know sounds cheesy but you know in a way it was like that for me once I understood my place you know I'm I'm just a guy trying to make sense you know you know if you put me maybe like in a normal publication or like a normal
08:30 - 09:00 stream or something then I can really have a debate I can sound smart uh I can add some insights I have some takes you know I can I can make I have some talking points but other than that really I'm just uh you know I'm I'm I have a good I think I have a good eye for Content exploring a lot of people said that to me uh probably have good eye for talent when it comes to good Pro and something and things like that and I would say I contribute mostly to to the aesthetic aspect you know I tend to think a lot of like in images uh rather than words
09:00 - 09:30 um I don't know exactly what that says about me but I I tend to think in images so a lot of what the project really is like you know the best way I can probably describe it really is like uh sort of like uh composing like like putting together the pieces of a puzzle right like I have a big idea of what the you know the future should look like the V what the vision is but I don't know what the final picture will look like and what I do is just trying to find people doesn't make more sense those are some insights that are not really uh being been said or like being been uh
09:30 - 10:00 published in general like in mainstream Publications or or things like that or like said in a main screen and I try to you know put them together in one single outlet and and I simply do it seems to be doing quite well I've got some really good help you know quite well as an understatement I think it's doing extremely well from what I can see but I mean like you're one of them now you would we ran your article which is really brilliant uh and it's a good example right because you you know you you don't you don't you said what a lot of people
10:00 - 10:30 are saying right we need to fight right but you're particularly better you know you get some historical background you give some reason and then I like that line at the end when you said you know essentially this building the fight right I think you were quoting your father if I remember correctly right uh like you know hard times gives you a possibility to lead a great life you know and and so it's always looking about that that extra thing you know that that that is not being said that the should be said and sort of can be integrated within a larger video so that's really my role and uh you know
10:30 - 11:00 there's a lot of other things going on you know like now you know we got into printing as well so there's a lot of like little things to take care of his um it's a lot of work but uh it's really meaningful I enjoy a lot so that might know a lot of things yeah well what you're doing there with with your publication resonates a lot with me as well seeing as I'm constantly trying to encourage people that we're going to have to start building our own institutions starting our own Publications starting our own organizations and uh taking care of our
11:00 - 11:30 own communities because for too long people have just been preoccupied with all these captured uh captured organizations and captured Publications trying to save them like we can save them we can save them like no the biggest mistake the people on the Titanic made was I'm up until the last minute they were still holding on to the the idea that this ship can't sink and then it was too late and that that uh that misassumption led to the deaths of so many more people because up until the last moment they were all still
11:30 - 12:00 convincing themselves don't worry don't worry the ship can be saved and I think what you're doing there with your publication is the right step in the right direction don't try to uh on on the outside looking in try to save your Publications that are going off the deep end that are drifting left rather it's it's more difficult and it's not it's not the easy road but starting your own Publications writing your name in big fonts at the top and saying this is ours this is what we stand for and this is what we want to put out there this is our mission that is the only way for it
12:00 - 12:30 you can't keep looking uh uh can't stop not looking past the the ship and thinking no the Titanic's going to be fine don't worry we don't have to build life rafts we don't have to uh start thinking of a plan B plan a is still on course I think that's the big mistake oh yeah totally you know like we said when we launched the magazine two years ago you know I had some help writing that statement but essentially said like uh it's not that conservatism is is uh is failing it's not struggling conservatism
12:30 - 13:00 is dead I mean we literally said that like you know conservatives has failed has been liberated by his you know ideology uh by by essentially by complete political defeat right right there's no there's nothing like really not much left to conserve I mean you know it's not entirely true because there's a lot of like there's a lot of beauty you know when it comes to like the physical world there's a lot of the conservative on the front but like when it comes to like cultural issue and and uh there's really not really much to sort of the way the the our deepest belief the way we conduct ourselves the way that people
13:00 - 13:30 um uh their philosophy you know their way of uh of you know the general uh Direction the society is heading if there's really actually nothing that we need to conserve it has to be some kind of like revolutionary uh the estimation revolutionary ideal so Revolution is society revolutionary beliefs they have to replace what we're what we're uh where we're heading what we believe and the way we behave ourselves and we conceptualize politics and and all the potential solutions to our to our what's
13:30 - 14:00 going what's wrong with what's happening so I totally agree I mean and the institutions especially you know the conservatives have completely failed to conserve and that's what I like to to preserve their sort of like not completely you know because look in America you know they're they have some decent uh you know chances really of like so you know I recently got an interview with Steve Bannon and he said that you know I posted the question right like don't you think don't you think that this you know we ought to destroy the institution we are specifically talking about Federal agency and the CIA et cetera and he was like yeah but you ought to be realistic
14:00 - 14:30 right you can't just be like you know this is gonna go you can still use someone like the procedural um systems that we have in place to sort of like reform to the point that really you know reforms so much that to the point that really like you're basically um you're basically abolishing them but you know you can still hope that there is something you place in the system that can help you achieve uh some sort of goals but overall really when it comes to uh cultural
14:30 - 15:00 um um the cultural side of things you know there's you know all the videos completely lost it's just like one really renders industry right now there's nothing really conservative that's coming out one once in a while or something vaguely conservative like um yeah so so yeah you know on the on the culture front there's really it's really a disaster and I totally agree really the par part of what we're trying to do is really replace and and not not trying to infiltrate or well it's a lot more complex but you know I I definitely resonates with me the idea of that you
15:00 - 15:30 know there's definitely not going back and there's definitely not you know just quiet solutions that you know are not gonna offend people too much or they're not going to sound radical we really do need something uh radical that was that was really important to me since 2020 and anybody but especially from 2020 when we launched the mag so yeah and there's a there's something here that Geo said in the chat um that I want to add to as well I put it on the screen now um and that is the fact that I'm I think it was my friend Robert dygan he's also
15:30 - 16:00 written for your publication he wrote the other day a tweet about um uh here in South Africa uh history is very real and the the real situations around him is making it has destroyed its appetite for like political debate about Theory and political philosophy because the problems are so in your face here in South Africa and I have to add to that um this is actually part of a piece that I'm currently writing into the fact that living in in Africa means that you don't really have the luxury of debating
16:00 - 16:30 endlessly about is this real exor is this real why is this real liberalism was this real communism was this real fascism whatever like that's that's a luxury that that you can only do if you could if you have the luxury of constantly debating just political uh Concepts and political philosophy like that you're not living in a in a really failing uh in a really failed uh State at the moment you're not really living in hard times yet Hard Times means you don't have time or the luxury you have to start uh you have to start thinking
16:30 - 17:00 of practical Solutions and that actually adds to you what what Geo is saying like the in South Africa a lot of the solutions that people on the outside are looking towards for inspiration are coming to the full out of necessity not because we just don't have nothing to do or because we're bored or because we are desperately looking for meaning we're doing it out of necessity we're working on their building these Solutions and alternative institutions because we have to it's a matter of survival cultural survival Community survival sometimes even individual survival so what you're
17:00 - 17:30 doing there is already the tip of the iceberg of what will be needed in the future as hard times approach in the West in South Africa the future has already happened you have the luxury of the Futures thought on its way in the west yeah accelerationist it's like there's no stopping and the only way to sort of like is to let it happen so you can find yourself in the solution in the situation where you have to really dig trenches as you put it um well just to excuse me just before you continue the uh just to separate myself from the acceleration and so
17:30 - 18:00 we'll never take the the position that you need to actively make things worse um rather for me it's uh you need to be realistic about what's going on be realistic about the situation that you are in and then you have to get to work that's uh that's the main thing is that you can't keep telling yourself everything will be fine people smarter than me people more powerful than me will save us so don't worry I'm what can I do you're gonna have to start doing something yourself there's a lot of denial that's going on still you know most you know like the the slightly right winger the so like
18:00 - 18:30 more uh sensible um you know I'm thinking about specifically about America but you know generally in the West in general a lot of people are still in denial the sort of situation they're very into so so so many goals as far as being so in denial that you know they become supportive of the regime uh you know I think I think it's actually partly what happened also like in I remember in Italy when the covet lockdowns began like we saw a parent very quickly that this was like turning to some kind of like uh totalitarian uh whatever you want to
18:30 - 19:00 call it you know um completely uh completely um tyrannical uh Solutions but you know like like it was like it was it was really horrible to witness you know like how so many so many people really convinced themselves that you know actually uh you know the experts are you know are on our side you know if you walk if you walk up to a you know random person you tell them you know generally speaking I think you know the the politicians are honest people they have their best interest in mind their ruling class have the best interest is mine in mind for the for the people they're
19:00 - 19:30 honest they try to do the right thing the people laugh at you at your face but then if you take that logical conclusion to that and you tell them listen uh you know everything that's going on now the lockdowns this is not in your best interest you're not even in their minds you know this is all Applause or this is you know without going too conspiratorial this is just like you know to serve their own interests the corporate interest you know the advances we kind of agenda and then they also laugh at your face because they're not really uh they're not really ready to accept the dire situation really so it's really it's really the right building it
19:30 - 20:00 was really like a red building Journey mine I don't I don't like to say it's definitely not black billing because I never really didn't recent one was like holy cow you know there's just like no no way to lead any decent life it's all lost that was just like kill yourself or whatever uh I was right building in the sense that you know it was a uh it was much worse than I thought you know and I was pretty and I was really pretty pessimistic about like the way we're headed but it was like so like a superficial pessimism you know a really understanding the sort of like forces at play or at least like getting close to
20:00 - 20:30 getting a really good grasp it was it was quite repelling and so yeah a lot a lot of what we're trying to do also the publication is to obviously like you know the obvious goal is also to to spread the message and awaken people and make them realize that you're gonna have to fight it's gonna be uncomfortable it's gonna be uh you're probably going to suffer one way or another uh maybe you're if not you your families or you're gonna lose your job or something like that but you know you can read the man you know it really depends on an individual level that you can't really make it kind of demand you know you can you're going to lose your job but you
20:30 - 21:00 have to do it you know for some people it's just too much but really the general message is that you know we ought to organize ourselves we ought to you know congregate get together uh organize it's gonna be uncomfortable it's going to be hard but you know there are many it's gonna have to be done if you really want to have some kind of like the future for our children whatever so yeah absolutely and the yeah the key is really to be uh since we're talking about what type of attitude the the attitude is definitely when you're using the metaphors of the different color pulls but to put it in normal languages to be a realistic realistically
21:00 - 21:30 realistically optimistic where it also there's also people that create a Persona and content around just being overly cynical and just blackpooling everyone saying everything's lost it's over uh there's nothing you can do all you can do is just sit back well that's uh that's that's also a pathetic stance that's also not the way that's the that's how you just make things worse there's no nothing positive can come from that's a great main of the past ever did anything like excuse me Mark yeah I mean you're guilty at that point
21:30 - 22:00 if you just decide to sit and watch you're just demoralizing people yeah yeah so you're participating uh in large part although you're not the main um person to blame but you know you're contributing so you really have a duty as uh you know we just published I literally just a hit publish on a new article by by this uh this guy goes by the name of Lafayette Lee on Twitter really great I saw I still have to read it tonight yeah yeah no it's really brilliant I I love the guys really it's really great and you know essentially
22:00 - 22:30 saying um um it's a bit of a segue actually but essentially it's a call for for True patriotism right uh the way it was intended which is you know an attachment to the people and attachment to your land uh it's very it runs uh parallel to many ways to your article itself you know about the need to sort of like stand your ground and defend and defend your country not just like some lofty ideals or some like abstract uh ideas or Freedom egalitarianism or whatever or whatnot uh it really is about like
22:30 - 23:00 defending uh you know today um to the point where you're gonna have to fight for what you love and um yeah I kind of forgot my why I brought this up now but uh there's no problem I just want to acknowledge here star started um live chat here tonight uh a big figure here in the South African political discipline sphere morning shot uh allow a huge fan of Mark and his work well thank you very much a morning shot thank you for for tuning in and then also here's a question that I quickly
23:00 - 23:30 want to answer before we continue with our chat cringe Walker asks what are some methods we can draw in people who aren't terminally online and we don't really know the world Beyond The New York Times well very simple and I mean this is this is part of my job is to get people involved here in South Africa and making they're getting active in their communities and the best thing you can do is to not be terminally online if you want to go get the people involved that are not permanently online go to their spaces don't just hang out on Twitter and YouTube all day go to uh where they
23:30 - 24:00 are hanging out they're congregating somewhere they're congregating in churches they're congregating at sport events they're congregating at any type of community-based event they're congregating at markets they're congregating everywhere where people get together in real life so you wanna if you want to get them involved if you want to red pulled him or there are already many of them already very very red pulled but if you want to get them active and you want to draw them in go to their spaces go to where they're hanging out you're not gonna don't wait for them to come online because they're never gonna they're never gonna come to your spaces on Twitter or on YouTube
24:00 - 24:30 then you're going to be Waiting in Vain go to where they are and go have a chat with them don't go to them and have like a ideological preach or lecture at them just go and talk about what do they think about what's going on around them what do you think about this are you happy with this doesn't this piss you off and you'll realize just through those types of conversations you'll start getting people involved and then you build those social connections you build that Network that's my my best answer there yeah and you also realize really like if you're terminally online you're sort of like um to formulate the
24:30 - 25:00 impression that most people that that you know the word is plain insane but it looks a lot more insane online that is offline it's a lot easier to sort of like talk common sense to people if you're not all right ideological or hostile it's a lot more easy it's a lot easier uh to convince to sort of like find you know create bonds with with the you know average uh decent people and their kind of tests of those you know uh and and and uh so yeah and also really um yeah we're trying to do that as well we're trying to transition a little bit
25:00 - 25:30 now from from the online to to the in real life uh so like create a little bit of an Institutional uh plan for the to the project as well so you know hopefully there are some um there's going to be the we're going to be able to create uh a bit more possibilities for people to meet in real life as well but yeah I totally agree I mean it's uh you have to go out there you have to you know um connect with people you have to um tell them what's going on if they don't know it you have to you know encourage
25:30 - 26:00 them to to do something and uh you know yeah so then you can't you can't just preach to the choir all day on on your in your social media Circle um those people are already converted you're going to have to go out there and talk to other people you're going to have to socialize like all your ancestors did before you um you're you're kind of living in strange times where you're you also have this these pseudo-social interactions online but all your ancestors before you
26:00 - 26:30 they were all out there they were all in Meet World they were all out there among the normies uh spreading their ideas that's how they uh that's how it worked and you're going to have to go back to that it's actually a very it's it's funny that in our attempt to spread uh um conservative or right of right side of the the Spectrum ideas you actually have to uh behave reactionary yeah do it as your ancestors did you know at the same time it's really
26:30 - 27:00 actually not that easy at the same time right because like I think recently someone articulated and it might even actually be like like a clay by song on on Twitter uh somebody made the point really like what we really lack in our communities uh they're very uh they're not very um built on like so like a localism uh they're very atomized and uh and you know everybody just like works you know far from the work they get the tube you know if you live in a big big city or even like a smaller City you know
27:00 - 27:30 they're the the we sort of like lost that uh that ability to sort of like um uh build the kind of a communities is definitely a lot harder so like go out there and find people that are close to you and so like build the communities it used to be you know you just used to go out there used to be a place where everybody met you know after work whatever we don't really have that if they're done Society are not really built that way anymore so it's definitely a lot harder to do to go out there you know you'll find yourself so like as you said like preaching or or so like you know shooting in the dark you
27:30 - 28:00 know just whoever you can stop on the street it's a lot harder that you know like you know the institution that you mentioned the church uh you know the the what whatever really uh they're definitely declining there's so it's a lot harder than it used to be you know it used to be a lot easier you know policies to be more local you know you used to go out there you know you to talk to and uh you you know you're gonna meet someone if you had in one place and you're gonna meet someone if you're in another place we don't really have that anymore so it's definitely a lot harder but it doesn't mean we should despair so um no absolutely it's definitely harder
28:00 - 28:30 but uh or you do then you have to ask yourself the question there your ancestors and people before you also had their own challenges and you're going to be the first guy in the chain or the first link in the chain that said now I'm I'm opting out my challenges of my time are too great I cannot solve them and then you're gonna have to live with that fact um and that's the thing when it comes to building these networks you don't you don't have to start tomorrow with uh 100 people you start by talking to one person you start by talking to two
28:30 - 29:00 people and you you go there's so many your social events that you just have to be on the lookout for but yeah Mark I actually also wanted to ask you to get back to your publication are there any other online or physical Publications that you draw some inspiration from or that you think uh actually influenced the way that you set up your own that you or maybe even Publications that you could just recommend um that that had an influence on on your own oh yeah totally
29:00 - 29:30 um well quillette was a good inspiration in so far as I needed to figure out what not to be um uh it was um I'm only joking it was an inspiration at all uh you know I really respect what the Claremont people are doing they were quite inspirational I think I I you know I think really what let me down uh the sort of rabbit hole that I essentially came across what is known as the dissident right I think it was actually my my canton's review of Bronze Age mindset it's booked by
29:30 - 30:00 Bronze Age pervert I think really it was either dead or some article about that mentioned the the review or something like that and uh so I came across Claremont you know the the publication of the American mind and and they used in general and I thought you know that they were they still are I mean and and I'm you know I'm I'm in contact with with a lot of them other they were doing good work you know and they were like rhetorically very alive you know they were willing also to engage with the with ideas that previously was like Unthinkable you know
30:00 - 30:30 that somebody would even consider these people you know they were demonized or currently demonized but they were like willing to you know reach out and and considering some more like this than however you want to call them a bit more uh radical upside so like uh boundaries or political of acceptable discourse so they were an inspiration a little bit um more than a little bit I would say fairly so and and they were also really I was uh what really was different about something like clarinet for instance they really like
30:30 - 31:00 I wouldn't say really ideologically I I was inspirational it was mostly like you know willingness to like what we were saying now you know you ought to do the work you ought to you know so you know send the police to knock on people's door you know they're willing to to sort of like engage with the idea of power of sort of like regaining power to something like the conservatives and I saw that like it's like the boogeyman you know they're basically classical liberals but in the worst sense you know the Claremont people more like classical liberal and more like the classical sense uh so it was inspiration on on
31:00 - 31:30 that that way so what else they were actually actually there wasn't there wasn't that much really uh and that's probably why I decided to start the publication there weren't any really publication out there that were uh willing especially again like became very apparent to me in 2020 lowering than many Publications that were willing to say what the things that needed to be said and take it you know to the the extra step they were scared because or unaware that those are the kind of solutions that we need or just like to scare to to publicly uh admit it
31:30 - 32:00 and publish them so as I said I came across all this network and community so I wouldn't want to call it online these people that are somewhat connected to one another and it just became apparent to me that it would be a good idea to put them together to get some kind of network you know an outlet where they can you know publish their views there was a lot less um you know thinking it was uh back then it was just like you know you know like a complete uh you know everything that that I thought was uh was true or that I thought was uh uh
32:00 - 32:30 correct about the way we should organize Society so like in a way collapsed that's all I was like so open-minded uh that you know I I but I didn't really have like a like a strong foundations and now there's a lot more strategizing you know and thinking involvement at the beginning was just that you know it was like these people are making sense but I'm not getting published these people are saying the things that you know are very insightful there they have some criticism of the what's going on this it seems a lot more accurate in the mainstream and so I decided to start a publication really
32:30 - 33:00 for because there were no other publication that really lived up to at least my ideas might not be good ideals but still uh that was amazing reason um I forgot your second question was it about like other Publications now uh no I just wanted to ask the second part was uh are there any Publications that you uh that you read often that you would recommend uh well I keep an eye on um um I like what Darren bead is doing revolver was is not really like your
33:00 - 33:30 your normal publication it's like a news aggregate aggregator website I think they're called you know they link other um other stuff you know the the of Articles from other publication or like even like Twitter threads but I do also like some investigative journalism so I keep an eye a lot on that and you know what's RMB is doing other Publications I read I still read them the American mind I still um I actually read quite a few and and uh
33:30 - 34:00 let's see if I can freak another a couple of good ones um yeah I would say the mainly those two you know I keep an eye I have to keep an eye on in general to see what this general direction is going but I would say those those helicopter and then also um what I wanted to know specifically about your website so you seem to be putting a lot of thought into the thumbnails and the aesthetic and the look of your website I just want to hear from you how important is that aspect that you've been talking a lot about the
34:00 - 34:30 content that you want to put out there but how important is that aesthetic side of your your publication as well I think it's really important I'm literally obsessed by it uh you know with me this morning to um it took me more to find a picture for the for Lafayette leads article then it took me to edit it and it's it it's really an exception of mine to um to take care of the aesthetic Aspen you might not like it you know with some generally the the reception of the the train Edition which I designed myself as well uh as I said earlier like really that that's my
34:30 - 35:00 most um really the the main input the main contribution that I give to the project besides you know being behind the scenes and you know I guess commissioning and all of that it's really the aesthetic aspect uh but you know we got some like vague criticism you know people want it uh I think there's a little bit of still like um LARPing a little bit when it comes to the art and Aesthetics from like some of the conservative side oh it's too modern or it's too you know it's not um you know you know you used some serif type font whatever uh but you know I
35:00 - 35:30 like it like that and um I think they're wrong and uh and yeah I put a lot of care into it I think well first of all because I like it I enjoy it a lot and second of all I really is important to for both of them are like strategic um point perspective you know to sort of like create an outlet that is aesthetically pleasing at the same time uh so like you know indicates that you you put a lot more into work or at least that you you can afford to put a lot of
35:30 - 36:00 work which increases your um which increases your reputation or your credibility to some degree right rather than just like uh putting tickets from random images whatever from the internet which a lot of Publications do so there's a little bit of that because of that and um and as I said before I mean I I tend to think in images and so a lot of like my attempt to build uh and sort of like trying to find the vision forward uh and trying to articulate a vision forward I do it a lot better in with images and so it's my it's my
36:00 - 36:30 really my side of I would say probably to to create an aesthetic coherence uh that you know that that can uh somehow influence the state of discourse in the same way that we do or probably not to Centigrade but it's saying that we do by you know the actual words that we publish so that's mainly why I do it and I enjoy it a lot you know I I really I'm really obsessed by it it's an obsession maybe it's a bit unhealthy at points because I spent way too much looking for or taking care of that at points that you know I
36:30 - 37:00 could spend you know I wanted to ask because there's a there's a lot of artists in the in the live chat and in the audience here tonight Geo have been and a lot of them right for your publication as well I think that's something that also stands out your your publication I am 1776 is not just about political content there's a lot of art content there as well um that's playing a large role in in your content database if I could call it that oh yeah that's actually began it wasn't really intended I never really
37:00 - 37:30 um I mean we've probably published some like more artistic art frame articles or literature uh theme articles before but it would actually begin with an interview I could actively Mike Canton it was uh I believe slightly more than a year ago now like late 2021 or something like that uh and I wasn't even planning of asking it was really it was very good interview by the way um it's quite popular but I I I was so I was so like surprised about how popular was that little segment when I asked him
37:30 - 38:00 about like the right inability to create any view of artistic value that was really popular like a lot of people we talked a whole bunch of things and it was uh quite quite a popular interview but that beat really got a lot of attention also I was like wait you know I wasn't it wasn't even like in the list of questions I preferred but I asked him you know what do you think that reason and you know he talked about patronage networks and and said a few more things and so and so that's what idea I have to sort of like dig a little bit more into this problem and make it make the publication make the incapacity of
38:00 - 38:30 producing anything artistically uh beautiful or artistically capable of you know moving people or convincing people or even even just like giving them you know a sense of all whatever it is or whatever you wanted to define the purpose of art that's how he began it was that interview a year ago and then that's what idea of even dedicating our our first spring addition to that today to the to the art problem itself came from I was um it wasn't planned either it was just happened and now where we do
38:30 - 39:00 we do a lot of um we we publish a lot and we're trying to figure it's very essential to our publication now uh not Central but it's quite Central this idea of sort of like uh instigating or encouraging some kind of like artistic or Bible or at least some kind of like uh increasing production of uh artists are the kind of art the kind of art that can be called R let's just pull it up with um well absolutely well I'm I'm firmly of the opinion that uh it's it's a simple Mission but we have to start
39:00 - 39:30 talking about the beautiful and the good again you know we shouldn't just get bogged down in the philosophical debates and the theory we also have to start going back to the simple questions again of like what is good what is beautiful and why is it good and why is it beautiful it's going to get very philosophical but I think that's important I think it's important that uh your your publication for example isn't just a good content it also has to look good it also has to be uh something that people enjoy looking at something that
39:30 - 40:00 uh the the thumbnail adds as part of the content it is also I mean that's what I try with my thumbnails and with my YouTube videos and streams as well is that the thumbnail also has to add to the the the content that I create so I think that's that's really important that you have an eye for it interesting people come across right that's the first impression that they get um so the way that you saw like promote your content the way you put out your um whatever you want to say you know it's you increasing your chances of
40:00 - 40:30 attracting attention and attracting uh a predisposition of people to to consider what you're saying rather than just some just some random random images everyone else is using or just the first one that you find you know on Google when you type free free images and you know some keyword or something and so yeah and and I I wanted to I want to say one more thing actually about you because you said you know it's going to get very philosophical uh I should probably say because like as I said like the reception of the magazines were really good the only part of the craziest that we got was twofold one
40:30 - 41:00 that we like really didn't get enough into that about really what R is like from a philosophical perspective and the other one that it wasn't uh there wasn't enough like uh stories and actually wasn't enough the Articles itself that wasn't really artistic in nature they're almost like on the journalistic side or maybe a bit more intellectual or whatever it wasn't that the idea the idea really was to to raise awareness with that issue itself you know to put it out to get people uh you know to pay attention to this problem uh you know the incapacity of producing anything so I just wanted to
41:00 - 41:30 to make that point that we weren't attempted to Define art nor to sort of like well don't we might do that in the future nor to um I'm making making their art and literature just making you know fiction or whatever uh it was just about raising awareness about this particular no that's important to to note um what I also wanted to uh to know but your mark you're very you're very humble about your uh your platform you you seem to uh
41:30 - 42:00 um play down a lot of what I think is a has been a big big achievements of it and I wanted to know what are some of the things I mean your publication is not that old yet but in the the time that it's been up and in the time that you've been publishing on it what are some of the things that have made you proud of your of your creation and the thing that you've created with your your colleagues or the people that you work with actually I'm you know I'm quite proud the way that we managed to put it together it's not really easy you know I
42:00 - 42:30 like you know I I never really found out uh essentially this you know running a publication right really any business just like dealing with one disaster after the other one it wasn't until I started publication which I realized that I mean I screwed up in so many different ways uh but you know we managed to put it together uh we managed to do it when I managed to transition from online to print and it went you know reasonably well and so yeah I'm quite proud on more on the more personal level about that but you know in general really about everyone everyone that I've been able to put together you know I'm really I really you know if I look at if
42:30 - 43:00 I go like you were asking me about you know mainstream Publications or like other Publications that look if I go through the more you know uh well reputational like the most um the more um well-known publication like more mainstream with a better reputation or or whatever I really there really isn't like like really probably don't even come across a single writing on the homepage that I would like to bring on they're all the really the people that I have on you know yourself included and everyone else that I published so far
43:00 - 43:30 there really are the people that I think they're they're most talented at least that I could come across that are making more sense I'm really I'm quite proud of like how many people are you know we've been able to put together you know as I said we're um you know I started on my own and and for quite some time was just basically just moving out I'm getting some really good editorial help so I'm quite proud and grateful for everyone is Bob's especially my editorial team you know the Daniel Miller who's uh was actually the first mission I've ever got and it's been on board something we ever since and even more so lately been proud of
43:30 - 44:00 the other one uh my good friend uh Benjamin who's been uh increasingly saw for the past few months for the last year or so so yeah I'm quite proud in general you know you say I'm humble I'm actually you know I think you're right it's been quite quite a success and so I'm quite proud in China what what uh what has been um what we've been able to put together I guess one of the things that I also noted you mentioned the the physical copy uh yeah the my copy is still I think in transit according to the South African post
44:00 - 44:30 office yeah there it is um now that you mention it there is a phenomenon around the the physical copy that I quite enjoyed and that everyone that received it took a picture with like a Vista or a very nice background uh with the holding the physical copy and I saw you uh you also took note of that uh that that organic thing that happened around it I saw when uh when the first copy of hard copies went out people started posting photos online with like
44:30 - 45:00 beautiful backgrounds and Vistas when they and holding up the the copy and I think you also noticed uh that people started doing that with your your first publication what did you think of that oh it was great I mean as I said like the reception has been really has been really good like it's been really at points even overwhelming you know we received a lot of compliments really for all the Articles they were written all beautifully written by very good articles you know they I received quite some personal compliments I say because I took care of the whole aesthetic aspect myself and yeah as you said you
45:00 - 45:30 know like a lot of people promoted our con promoted the Publications uh the print edition itself you know they posted the images online so it's quite it was quite cool to see you know every now and then you know you check the notification there was new pictures so I retweeted all of them it was quite cool yeah he is here's someone reading it so on a mountain here's one of a beach in the background he has one in a forest it was very nice that people didn't just take a picture of it lying on their disk they were going outside with and they're getting a nice background to show they
45:30 - 46:00 they got the first yeah as well that's true yeah yeah now that added to the aesthetic I really I really enjoyed that that started um that little you ever get to South Africa this is this the second or the first copy that I tried to send you this is the second copy that you sent but when I receive it I will definitely go to a Scenic Place here in Africa and take uh apologize to everyone that bought the copy for the the thousands of you know ways that we messed up you know delays and whatever it was the first time so we
46:00 - 46:30 screwed up in two different ways but most people seem typically getting it at some point whether after you know a week or a month and a half now on my side it's definitely not your fault it's the the just living in a d developing country uh that's the problem um so Mark I also wanted to know um now that you're talking about some of the mistakes that you made I'm not going to ask you what are some of the mistakes I'd rather just like to know what are some of the main challenges that you definitely that you learned from that you uh that you faced when you when you
46:30 - 47:00 first started uh publishing and when you first brought out this physical copy are there any that come to mind um the one that comes to mind um to the to the print publication itself that are actually a bit boring because they're more like technical uh things like you know color correction when I screwed up you know they when I got the first magazine this is how obsessed I am with it with Aesthetics you know when I first got my my it's called you know the uh test test run whatever
47:00 - 47:30 um when we ran that and I got it in my hands I almost like I wanted to kill myself you know I wanted to throw myself out the balcony and and it was so bad it was like so you know so many images was just too dark and you know the transition from like screen to print I wasn't prepared to that you know because obviously the screen emits light and the print and the print obviously uh reflects light so you see it like very bright on your screen and then you sort of like completely different on the on the print and so I was like completely depressed about it for a couple of days
47:30 - 48:00 uh I ended up like spending a bunch of money to just to have the the few pictures that look to dark reprinted if it was for me if I could afford it I would have reprinted at all so that's really what comes to mind on the more technical side of things and challenges I would say with a publication um I don't really know like I I don't really think I you know it's challenging it's a lot of work but um but because like I always enjoyed it
48:00 - 48:30 so much ever since I started you never really felt like work he never really felt like going through something really hard and I don't maybe I haven't come across anything really challenging maybe I would be able to fly under the radar uh maybe some big battles are gonna come but I can't really think of really one big Challenge and then also what I wanted to know oh wait before I wanted I want to read this comment here in the chat because I think it's really nice uh sideline opinion says Mark your mark your publication has given massive International exposure to errands and
48:30 - 49:00 his thoughts about politics in South Africa and the world we can all learn from each other now that's absolutely true that's why um one that's one of the reasons why I wanted to talk to Mark is I think we can learn uh people can learn a lot from your experience Mark start actually taking jumping into the deep end and starting your publication starting something I mean really I just hate public this on your article that was that was uh that was your article that really was good I just I just edited you know Daniel edited
49:00 - 49:30 yours and we just hit publish so that's your do if you know I am is knowing and is that some kind of your articles that's some kind of effect that you're doing this online uh I guess you know we got some really some pretty decent following and a lot of like really cool people promoting our content so that it probably helped helped it's a really good article but I'm really happy to do it by the way uh you told me you got some uh quite some uh you know people talking Etc no thank you and uh thank you for the
49:30 - 50:00 for the platform yeah I know I got a lot of good feedback from all across the world it was also a very humbling experience but uh yeah when uh when it comes to what uh that's why your friend Robert as well we published before on South Africa that was really good as well um I enjoyed his piece as well now that's why I actually uh one of the the the the pieces that I that I read just to see what type of approach he took for for your publication he was one of the pieces that I just uh read for a little bit of a aesthetic guidance and a little
50:00 - 50:30 bit of a um format guidance but then yeah um when it comes to uh well I wanted to do that one of the reasons why I wanted to do this chat as well to to add to what uh sideline opinion said there is that yes the message of my piece was that people can learn from South Africa but then at the same time we as South Africans can also learn a lot from what people in the west are doing it for example like I said what what you're doing where you start instead of trying to change or trying to save a old publication you're
50:30 - 51:00 building a new one you're jumping in the deep end you're taking the risk and you're you're building something new that's difficult that's people would rather just be preoccupied with things that already exist creating something out of nothing is not easy in it a lot of people think that it's easy until they actually start doing it so I think that's also something that that we can learn from what's going on in the west is to see how the West is a people in the Western countries are approaching their own problems and how they're approaching creating their own institutions and Publications and
51:00 - 51:30 platforms I think there's still a lot for for us here in South Africa to learn well if you think there's more going on in the west and we'll come to like America than it is in South Africa well it would depend I think there's different forms of innovation going on in South Africa the the type of innovation going on is survival in Innovation and the living and Innovation under very very PR uh high pressure and very high stakes in countries like America Innovation is going on in more subtle ways in regards to for example
51:30 - 52:00 the creation of new platforms the um creation of new institutions but in specifically for that environment so you can uh it's the different contexts where these Solutions are coming from that where you actually get the insight and before we continue I just wanted to read here 99 Iron Duke says more power to you Aarons you're doing great work thank you very much Iron Duke you've been subscribed for a long while that's why I wanted to uh highlight your your uh comment there as well um Mark as we get to the closer to the
52:00 - 52:30 end um I just have a few more questions left that I wanted to to pick your brain on before you say goodbye the one is um how is your how is your publication funded or how is it what's the model that you use to uh to make it possible maybe people can learn from from that as well just to give us a little bit of an idea that you don't have to literally give us the blueprint just the what's the uh what's up because we're not funded by anyone we're not funded by any institutions uh we're
52:30 - 53:00 we're trying to figure out really that that aspect of the of the Enterprise uh where we're at some point we're we're you know we're gonna have to find a way to get some kind of institutional support but there is one one way or another with a grant an investment or whatever at the moment uh it will survive actually after I have to you know get you know I guess give a little of a shout out to to Charles Haywood it was actually you know I don't think I made it public before but I think most people know one way or another he gave us a little bit uh it
53:00 - 53:30 gave me a little bit about a year ago just enough you know uh when I when I lost my job uh I think I admitted that part before I moved back to London about a year ago when I um when I basically I ref because I refused to vaccinate it you know when the vaccine mandates uh started to be started getting forced in Italy I lost I lost my normal job so I was literally now you know even more than before like completely incapable or continue to fund the project you know how to sort of like maybe find a job and you know try to say
53:30 - 54:00 it would be staying so it was a it was about it was uh kind enough to give us a little bit to at least find us the first issue and make it through uh personally then the other for the past six ten months something like that but other than that it's really been just like small donations from time to time and uh and now we're as I said we're sorry now we're building a new membership platform on the website it's still in the world that's interesting yeah it should go up sometime next month
54:00 - 54:30 and people are gonna have to really have a gonna have gonna be able to subscribe initially just to access some kind of like extra content you know we're gonna put some like specials a month we're gonna put all the articles in the issue up so we're gonna we're hoping to get some support enough uh from that to you know continue to pay my editors and the writers the way they deserve and and and continue to uh Finance the you know the operation the issue the publication but we're done now without that we don't really have that any institutional
54:30 - 55:00 support or anything like that just mostly chance and you know we're all right and then uh yeah the the question that I always ask before I give you the the opportunity to show where people can find all your content I want to ask you if uh I'll ask all my guests at the end of our conversations if you could leave the audience with any type of thoughts or question or anything that you want them to think about in the week ahead and it doesn't have to be a long uh monologue it can be a simple sentence or an idea what would you leave them
55:00 - 55:30 with with to to think about maybe in the week ahead um something to keep at the back of their mind uh probably the only one I can think of right now would be a good message I guess to come across is what you said before it's gonna get uncomfortable uh it's gonna get it's gonna get tough uh you know we're gonna be we're gonna be in positions where you know you have to sacrifice some relationships occasionally and you'll have to build new ones and um yeah I would I guess I
55:30 - 56:00 will add to that really something I was even thinking about more today because actually because I was editing uh Lafayette Lee's article uh you know I think there's a point where it says really we're not we're not utopians right so forget about forget about this this sort of like Solutions that's just gonna be you know there's gonna be um devoid of conflict and you know we're going to get to the point we can just continue to reason from this um from this idea that you know where you know we're peace and love and you
56:00 - 56:30 know we're just gonna get along is there are always going to be differences they're always going to be conflict Wars War has always been here has been waiting for us before we even got here and it's always going to be here and it might be necessary at some point that you'll have to fight one way or another whatever fight it is going to mean whether it's online with offline real life in the military whatever probably not in military these days but um so yeah it's gonna get it's gonna get uncomfortable and you know just um well to be ready I guess that's what
56:30 - 57:00 yeah well that's uh that's very similar to a message that I always uh tell my audience here as well is that uh you need to be like I said earlier you have to be realistically optimistic be realistic about the situation but optimistic about what you can do about it I think that's that's very important and the mark well as we get here to the end I just want to one last opportunity now to uh there's already all links to everything to your publication and to your Twitter and social media is in the description but I also wanted to ask is there anywhere else that you'd like to
57:00 - 57:30 uh give a shout out to where people can find your work or anything except your website and your your Twitter uh actually no that really really is interesting we're mostly on Twitter uh yes people if you want to follow us on Facebook as well they can do that on the website itself there's a link uh on the on the not the sidebar the top bar uh today to our uh print edition so if you want to support right now as I said we're building a membership platform so they'll be able to do that that way as
57:30 - 58:00 well but you know they purchase a copy of our issue and so that that's the one that you know it's it's all there is right now right so yeah before the before the membership uh goes live uh the way people can support your publication is by buying uh buying a physical copy oh yeah if they're interested in one you know we've got a donate page we're sending a new one out but they can donate for that as well um uh much appreciated and you know even the smallest amount can make a
58:00 - 58:30 difference so if they want to do that they can do it as well well Mark thank you very much for your time here tonight was an excellent discussion I really enjoyed it and then I also want to thank everyone that tuned in thank you for all your excellent comments and questions in the live chat I really appreciate you all taking your time to listen to this long format conversation and then also if you're new to this channel you can subscribe if you like these types of conversations that happen every week on a Tuesday and then also you can leave a
58:30 - 59:00 like that helps out the show and then lastly if you if you're watching this and it's not live you can still share your thoughts and you can still take part in the conversation uh in the comment section I read all of them and respond to as many as I can and I really enjoy hearing your feedback so you can take part in the conversation there in the comments section but Mark thank you very much hope you have an excellent week and I hope you all publication in 1776 Link in the description goes from strength to strength and that there's still a lot of exciting things in the
59:00 - 59:30 future that you can be proud of I like West man it's been a pleasure and and thank you very much for the invite all right cheers guys have a good one and God bless