Prophetic Pathways in Messianic Movements

The Lion's Share | Eddie Chumney Interview

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Summary

In the vibrant interview hosted by Monty Judah from Lion and Lamb Ministries, Eddie Chumney from Hebraic Heritage Ministries International shares his rich journey into the Messianic movement and his dedication to exploring Bible prophecies regarding the second coming of the Messiah. From his early curiosity sparked as a teenager to his extensive ministry work, Eddie sheds light on his pivotal moments of revelation and the profound influence of Hebraic studies. The conversation navigates through Eddie's theological evolution, the role of Israel in end-times prophecy, and his ministry's global outreach. This engaging dialogue offers insightful perspectives into understanding biblical prophecies and the Messianic anticipation of redemption and restoration.

Highlights

Eddie Chumney shares his early spiritual journey which began with visits to church as a child. 🙏
His interest in Biblical prophecy ignited at age 16, setting the course for his future ministry endeavors. 🔥
The significance of the Lion of Judah and his return is expounded, reflecting on contemporary interpretations of prophecy. 🦁
Eddie's evolution from Evangelical teachings to embracing Hebraic roots unveils a deeper grasp of scriptures. 🌿
Messianic prophecy is linked to the restoration and redemption of Israel, enriching evangelical understanding. ✡️

Key Takeaways

Eddie and Monty delve into the intricate relationship between Biblical prophecy and the Messianic movement. 🔍
The conversation highlights the significance of the Festival teachings in understanding Yeshua's first and second comings. 🎉
Eddie shares tales of his international ministry journey which expanded globally post-Internet era. 🌏
Insights into Messianic prophecies challenge the traditional evangelical teachings and bring a new light to followers. 🔦
Eddie emphasizes the importance of Hebraic studies in understanding the prophecies and the role of Israel. 📖

Overview

In this enlightening episode of The Lion's Share, Monty Judah and guest Eddie Chumney dive deep into the essence of Biblical prophecies and the Messianic movement's understanding of them. Eddie, leading Hebraic Heritage Ministries International, takes listeners along his journey from childhood church visits to passionately pursuing the prophetic truths tied to the return of the Lion of Judah.

As a teenager, Eddie discovered a fervent interest in the prophecy concerning the second coming of Messiah, a pursuit that defined his life's mission. His insights share the fascinating blend of evangelical teachings and Hebraic studies, reflecting on the depth of Messianic prophecies and the role of Israel in these end-time narratives.

Emerging from the broadcast era into the digital age, Eddie's ministry blossomed, reaching global audiences with messages that reconcile historical Hebraic traditions with modern Evangelical perspectives. His life’s work emphasizes unity and understanding among believers, bridging gaps between the Christian and Jewish visions of redemption and restoration in prophecy.

Chapters

00:00 - 05:00: Introduction to Lion and Lamb Ministries This chapter introduces Lion and Lamb Ministries and its founder, Monty Judah. The focus is on the ministry's mission and emphasis.
05:00 - 45:00: Interview with Eddie Chumney The chapter is titled 'Interview with Eddie Chumney.' It focuses on a discussion with Eddie Chumney, a part of Lon of L Ministries, which is involved in the Messianic movement worldwide. The interview centers around the theme of the 'Lion of Judah,' a concept in Messianic belief, contrasting it with the 'redemption of the Lamb of God.' The objective of the program is to collaborate and communicate with other ministries engaged in similar missions globally.
45:00 - 80:00: Eddie Chumney's Early Faith Journey Eddie Chumney has been involved in faith ministries since at least 1996.
80:00 - 130:00: Interest in Bible Prophecy and Messianic Movement The chapter discusses the collaboration between Chumney, the speaker, and other ministries to introduce new people to Eddie, who is deeply involved in the Messianic movement. This effort is part of a larger initiative to advance and teach Messianic brethren, highlighting Eddie's significant role in this endeavor.
130:00 - 180:00: Formation of Hebraic Heritage Ministries International This chapter begins with a conversation about faith, particularly focusing on Eddie's journey and testimony. The speaker mentions Eddie's prior sharing of his testimony but encourages him to tell it again for the benefit of others present. The narrative starts with Eddie's childhood experience of having neighbors who regularly attended church and participated in Sunday school. These neighbors, who were of retirement age, played a role in Eddie's early exposure to faith as they interacted with his parents when he was a child.
180:00 - 240:00: Involvement with Lion and Lamb Ministries and Internet Outreach The chapter titled 'Involvement with Lion and Lamb Ministries and Internet Outreach' begins with a personal account of the narrator expressing an early interest in attending church at the age of five or six. The narrator's parents agreed, leading to regular church attendance every Sunday. This period marked the initial exposure to the teachings and the good news of the Messiah. A vivid memory from this time includes the narrator being on the ground at a neighbor's house, reflecting a significant moment in the early spiritual journey.
240:00 - 310:00: Understanding of Prophecy and Messianic Judaism The chapter begins with the author reflecting on teachings from church during a clear blue May Day. They contemplate the truth of what they've been told, specifically questioning if Yeshua truly came 2,000 years ago and died to forgive sins. This reflection is described as arising in a simple, almost child-like inquisitive state of mind.
310:00 - 360:00: International Ministry and Final Remarks The chapter discusses a reflective moment in 1990 where the narrator contemplates historical existence. The narrator questions the validity and truth of certain historical claims, eventually deciding to believe them. This reflection occurs on a significant day, Mayday, as part of the narrator's final remarks on international ministry.
360:00 - 370:00: Closing and Prayer A person reflects on their early experiences with formal religious ceremonies at a young age, around seven or eight years old. Neighbors invited them to into attending a town church's Revival services. During these services, they specifically recall the altar calls aimed at encouraging people to affirm their faith in Jesus as the Messiah.

The Lion's Share | Eddie Chumney Interview Transcription

00:00 - 00:30 [Music] [Music] Shalom everyone I'm Monty Judah with Lion and Lamb Ministries I want to welcome you to the Lion Share Lion and Lamb Ministries emphasiz both the work
00:30 - 01:00 of redemption of the Lamb of God but we also talk about the lion of Judah who's going to be coming soon and this program we decided we'd focus in on a little bit more of the Lion of Judah part and the way we're doing this program is that we want to interview and speak with other Ministries that are C- laboring along with Lon of L Ministries in the greater Messianic movement around the world and I am very pleased to have my friend and my brother Eddie chumney of hebraic
01:00 - 01:30 Heritage Ministries International Eddie you and I have known each other and worked all the way back to 1996 and when we first met at a conference uh together back there in the East Coast Area and while uh you've been around a long time and you've been all over the world in fact uh there's a lot of people coming into the New Movement knew through Lon of Land Ministries and when this I I was shocked when I heard this some of them said who is Eddie
01:30 - 02:00 chumney when I made reference to you so I said well we got to solve that we need to introduce you to a whole bunch of new people that are coming in through our ministry and uh to share you with with them as well so we thought in this program that we would share Eddie with you a little bit tell you about him and so that you could understand that he and I have been C- laboring together along with other Ministries as well uh to advance and teach Messianic brethren
02:00 - 02:30 about the faith Eddie um I'm going to kind of ask about some of your testimony I know you've shared your testimony before not worrying about me I know your testimony but for the benefit of the other Brethren you know tell us when you came to Faith when when you finally believed in the Messiah well um I had neighbors who um went to church every Sunday with Sunday school teacher they were retirement age and they came to my parents when I was
02:30 - 03:00 young 5 six years old and asked my parents if they could take me to church and so my parents said yes and so I started going to church with them every Sunday so that was my introduction going to church my introduction and and hearing the good the good news of Messiah as it was presented and I remember when I was very young 567 years old that um I was actually laying on the ground at my neighbor's house and um
03:00 - 03:30 reflecting upon some of the things that I had heard in church I was looking up in the sky it was a May Day so the the sky was blue and I would I just pondered the thought of um is what I have been told in church is it true um is there uh did did did Yeshua um really come 2,000 years ago and uh did he die um on the tree to forgive me of my sins and so um in a very simplistic minded way um I
03:30 - 04:00 thought well this is 1990 whatever and so there're has to be an historical person that exists so I I so he did historically exist but is the his claims valid and true so I just decided that I believe the claims they were valid and true as I was laying on the ground reflecting upon it and on on this Mayday and then later
04:00 - 04:30 it became formal and and not too much uh after that I'm going to say when I was seven or eight years old uh we I had neighbors across the road that they went to a church in town and they were having Revival services and so they invited me to go to the Revival services and all that I remember was at the end of the service that they gave an altar call and say hey if you want to be sure if you want to be sure that you know U Jesus um as Messiah and so I was going like this
04:30 - 05:00 and somebody noticed that I was um you know making motion to uh to accept and they said well do you want to accept I said well yeah well come come down with the the other people and you know they they sang the song I decided to follow Jesus I've decided to follow Jesus no turning back no turning back so literally as long as I can remember I've gone to church
05:00 - 05:30 and I accepted uh the the claims and what I heard in the gospels um in the words that Yeshua spoke that uh you know I had to make a decision whether I believed them or not and I decided that I did so let me follow up on that at what point in that process did you really take an interest in reading and knowing about the Bible or were you just following the Bible stories that's being told and what teacher said when when did
05:30 - 06:00 you actually start to actually invest some time into studying and reading the scriptures for yourself for myself uh it was probably whenever I was 16 years of age or more so um from the time I started going like I just said up until like the time I was 16 years of age um I would go to Sunday school class they took me to Sunday school class and so in essence I learned the stories of the
06:00 - 06:30 Bible um through Sunday school class I really don't remember getting much out of the Church sermon or or remembering much from the church sermon but I got a lot from the Sunday school class because we had a quarterly that would um focus on particular element of the Bible like we would study David's life or we would study some methodology to the stud methodology where we had to read or review some things and answer some question questions so that's when I
06:30 - 07:00 became aware of some of the basic content of uh the scriptures themselves and um then when they would be reading passages um either in Sunday school or uh in church itself when they'd be reading passages particularly out of the New Testament that's when I started the process to become acquainted with the Bible and the content of the Bible and
07:00 - 07:30 looking at it from a very simple way uh one of the things I drew was the the Bible had the message of uh those who were obedient to God were blessed and those that were disobedient to God didn't have things so well and so that kind of like put as they say the fear of God in Me and so like I wanted things to go well so I decided if I was going to have things go well that I had to get with God's PR program okay and so I
07:30 - 08:00 began to set my mindset toward uh trying to have uh the Lord be pleased with me and I remember thinking that you know when the fullness of my time came I wanted the Lord to say to me Well done thy good and faithful servant now I didn't know what that meant I didn't know what I had to do um I remember thinking when I was uh uh 10 or 12 years
08:00 - 08:30 old like I really want the Lord to be pleased with me I really want him to be pleased with me and then I was thinking in my um simple um child mind well what do I got to do to do the most that God would be like really really pleased with me so I could only think of two things that is I had to be a uh go and and be a missionary in India somewhere or I had to be a pastor and so I thought oh no I could never go to India uh and then and
08:30 - 09:00 I couldn't be a pastor anyhow as well because you know a pastor has to give a 20 minute sermon for 52 weeks and now you know how much you have to say 20 minutes 52 weeks and and I could tell you the story of the Bible I'm a sinner and he he died for me and I need to accept him okay now that just took a minute what am I going to do for the other 19 minutes and what am I going to do for the rest of the year so I thought I can't be a pastor either but I hope since I can't do the best of the best I hope somehow the Lord um is going to be
09:00 - 09:30 pleased with me anyhow but I really can't do the optimum those things in my mind that I I thought would cause the Lord to like me the best now you and I know that that's not really how it is but that's how I was thinking as someone 9 10 11 years old so you come to adulthood you go to college yeah and you get been begin to develop the skills for a secular career and as I understand it you were trained to be a software engineer computer programmer computer
09:30 - 10:00 programmer and you got a job going that you had a career going and so forth um and let's fast forward to the point when did suddenly Messianic things begin to come on the horizon for you well we got to step back to what happened when I was 16 years of age at Sunday school class okay okay so um I lived out in the country so there was only one country church so anybody in the valley went to that one Country Church so there was
10:00 - 10:30 only um eight that were my age so there was only eight in my Sunday school class and so uh the Sunday school teacher said uh before we do the quarterly um uh since you guys are teenagers if you have any questions about life any questions about the Bible we will make our best effort to answer whatever questions you have the floor is open to you if you don't have any questions and we'll just do the corly but if you do we'll try to address them so that was the second that was the moment
10:30 - 11:00 where I had this consuming thought that came over me and it was such that I couldn't ignore that I had the thought and uh it's not a common thought for somebody that's 16 but I had it and the thought was this that in my lifetime I would live to see the second coming of the Messiah and um the impression that I got is I wanted to know what the Bible had to say about the prophecies so that I could as I was living my life uh see
11:00 - 11:30 that the prophecies are happening as I'm living my life and knowing which ones pointed to the coming of the Lord and I could be excited that I knew that these prophecies meant that the Lord was coming that was the impression I got okay when I had that impression I knew nothing about Bible prophecy we're talking zero because to the best of my perspective and understanding I had not heard any Bible prophecy being taught at
11:30 - 12:00 the church that I went to right so the Sunday school teacher said uh well you know that's kind of like over my head but since we said that we're going to try to address your questions um I'm going to ask the pastor's wife whether she can come to Sunday school class and address this question since this was your question so she did and she came and and she taught our Sunday school class and she went over Matthew chapter 24 Okay so that was interesting to me
12:00 - 12:30 because no one had ever done that before but um I wasn't satisfied within me and so um I had this thought then that hey I haven't heard Bible prophecy here in church I'm probably not going to hear Bible prophecy in church um I really enjoyed that she went over Matthew 24 but I want more and so if I'm going to get it I need to go outside and I thought that I would go to a Christian bookstore I'd never been to a Christian bookstore before I'm 16 I'm just now
12:30 - 13:00 able to drive that began my process to study and learn outside of just going to church outside of just going to Sunday school so um you know I'm 16 years old I don't have a lot of money and so I I found the the Christian bookstore in town and I went to the Bible prophecy section asked if they had one they had a little small little section but I had to somehow decide which one I wanted and I studied and analyzed which one I wanted and the book that I decided on was one
13:00 - 13:30 of the most famous Bible prophecy books written in our generation in our time and that is how Lindsay's book the late great planet Earth and it sold at least to cover the one I got said over 30 million copies sold and so that was my start in my introduction to learn Bible prophecy is I read his book and then there was an advertisement of his book to go over Revelation verse by verse which uh it was entitled there's a new
13:30 - 14:00 world coming so after I went over the the late great planet Earth then um I read his Revelation verse by verse and that gave me my beginning Foundation understanding or having some type of perspective about Bible prophecy so that was about 1979 okay so then we moved into town um in the early 1980s because we did not have cable television out in the country so we could only get ABC NBC C uh uh and
14:00 - 14:30 CBS and so in town we had cable and I was flipping through the the channels and uh I came across somebody I hadn't known of up until that time Jack vanm and so he was talking about Bible prophecy he goes oh this is a Bible prophecy program I'm interested in Bible prophecy so um um I want to watch and listen to the show and so for several years um um I would listen to his program and by and large um he shared uh
14:30 - 15:00 the same or similar information that I heard from um how Lindsay and so um then being in town having cable television um that's when we were able to get access to the Trinity Broadcasting Network TBN and of course uh they had Bible prophecy teachers on there and I had heard it somehow said that uh there were those that believed in pre-trib midrib
15:00 - 15:30 post-trib but um how Lindsay Jack vanm are pre-tribbers and so that's what I learned and that's how I learned the explanation of and and that's what I received as being true then I heard that there was some Bible prophecy teachers on Trinity Broadcasting that believed in midrib and post trip so I thought well I'm going to listen to their views and uh see why they why this one believes in midrib you know this one believes in and post trip and so I heard bare
15:30 - 16:00 explanations that didn't resonate with me and so um I decided that I I was good and secure and how it was outlined and explained to me um you know primarily initially by Jackin mpal Lindsay and then when there's other uh teachers on Trinity Broadcasting um they normally came from the pre-trib perspective as well and so they kind of repeated a lot of the same thing so I came a point in time when I
16:00 - 16:30 get to about 82 883 that it's like well I'm hearing the same thing over and over let let me ask this question go back just a little bit on what something you said this urge this interest to understand the second coming to understand Bible prophecy do you look back now and think that was the spirit of God starting to guide you and lead you into a path that was going to be a path of your life or or do you think
16:30 - 17:00 maybe that was kind of a common experience that you were having like other humans were having in this generation or something like that how did you do that there was no common experience at all if I'm looking back I'm 100% convinced that was the spirit of God stirring me up uh to have an interest in that because you know I was 16 years of age then I'm 60 now and so that was over 40 years ago so I have an opportunity to look Back 40 years in time and sees what happened in between
17:00 - 17:30 and now with the advantage of time I see that that was the Holy Spirit stirring up within me because somehow I had a Destiny and a calling related to that subject matter okay so actually what ended up um bringing me into the movement was my pursuit of understanding Bible prophecy wherein there um in the uh early 1980s i
17:30 - 18:00 cuz when whenever I um want to understand something I put every effort into it and I get all the resources and I I I study it intently and I don't want to wait five or 10 years to to study it I I want to get it and learn it as quickly as I can so over a number of years I kept hearing the same thing over and over so I felt content that I had understood the endof day scenario and that end of day scenario is something that everybody that that you would encounter in uh in the church system
18:00 - 18:30 let's say Evangelical Christianity would have this understanding today so let me ask this u in pursuing this end of day scenario this prophetic scenario what would Evangelical Christianity the tribulation so forth talk tell me now what was the linkage that tied you to Israel because a lot of U um end time prophecy ties to the nation of Israel and there's this incredible interest on
18:30 - 19:00 the Evangelical Christianity and in particular how Lindsay's books and what he did tied to the state of Israel coming into existence and then he keyed off of that thinking that we're we're we're coming to the End of the Age speak to that for a moment well interestingly enough in God's uh sense of humor you know how now we understand the ends in the beginning well you know the name of that church that Country Church they went to the only church uh that that we had around us to go to it was called the
19:00 - 19:30 Jerusalem United Church of Christ Jerusalem wow okay so God put a little so from the very beginning Jerusalem is in your mindset it's in because that was the name of the church okay okay now there uh you know sometime when I was in my early 20s um they discontinued affiliation with the United Church of Christ and they just called themselves um Jerusalem Church because they became independent okay um but um the
19:30 - 20:00 Evangelical Christians uh they see Israel as Central in the end time um prophecies uh of the coming of the Messiah that Israel plays a central important critical role so that's what I learned and um um and now today um I believe more than ever that Israel does play a central and critical role even looking at things from a Messianic
20:00 - 20:30 perspective and so um I was taught and as a result I always had a Bible prophecy connection with Israel in the land as it relates to the coming of messiah in the end of days you know I we've known each other for many years but as I'm listening to you it's amazing how similar uh our first steps were together it was the late great planet Earth that I read in the late 60s and that's what got me started into the
20:30 - 21:00 subject U you know I was in those days um you know we were told the preacher of rapture could happen any time it could doctrine of imminency and so man I thought you know the world was coming to an end any time and the Lord was going to come back and and uh so we were kind of in in anticipation all the time uh as time went on as a young man and that just fueled my interest in knowing more about about it and you're absolutely
21:00 - 21:30 right Matthew 24 becomes a focal point starting point you know for a lot of people on that so it's through the uh the interest in Israel end time prophecy that starts moving you toward Jerusalem that starts moving you toward so take me now into more Messianic things okay well um I had uh asked the Lord and one of my favorite Bible verses was the the steps of the righteous man are ordered
21:30 - 22:00 by the Lord uh and uh when I was a senior uh in high school um they said well tell us one of your uh favorite Bible verses and so I quoted Proverbs trust in the Lord with all your heart Le not and your own understanding always acknowledge Him and He will direct your paths so I gave the Lord permission in my heart to lead guide and direct my steps although I had no idea as I was living the day that he was doing that but later and looking back I realized
22:00 - 22:30 that he was so at the end of the 1980s um I was once again uh watching trendy uh broadcasting and that became my first introduction to the festivals and so um that is when I first became aware and heard that um the spring festivals teach about yeshua's first coming and the fall festivals teach about yeshua's second coming do you recall who the teacher was yeah it
22:30 - 23:00 was Joseph good he had a program on Trinity Broadcasting from 1989 to 1992 he did he did okay and so primarily his program focused on the festivals all about the festivals and the end time eschatology relating to it so as I turned on in into uh the program since I had um learned and studied how Lindsay Jack fipi seven-year tribulation
23:00 - 23:30 pre-tribulation Rapture if I hadn't heard the festivals from that view point then I probably would have tuned it out but uh Joe uh taught a seven-year tribulation and pre-tribulation Rapture and the context of the festivals and so I thought hey this is a perspective that I haven't learned or or heard before CU how Lindsay Jack vany doesn't present it at all so I wonder whether there's anything here uh that I could learn um
23:30 - 24:00 through and from that and so I found out that there was things like you know the last Trump that that is a a reference to um yum turua to to Roshes Shah to the to the Feast of trumpets well that became a little item that where instead of we have the doctrine of imminency now all of a sudden this is a reference to a specific moment moment and so then from
24:00 - 24:30 Isaiah 63 and other places um in learning about the themes of the festivals um then the language is when Yeshua is setting his feet down on the Mount of Oles that it's the the Y the language of yum kipor so at that point wh when did you actually decide to form hebraic Heritage Ministries International when did that the organization come to be well um um it
24:30 - 25:00 was in October of 1994 that my first book got printed the seven festivals of the Messiah and it was then in the following year in 1995 while I was still working as a computer programmer systems analyst um that the Lord spoke to my heart that he wanted me to start a Ministry and so um he Tim told me cuz I was writing up a mission statement for
25:00 - 25:30 it and I said uh learn about the rich hebraic Heritage of our faith and Messiah when I typed the words hebraic Heritage the Lord said well that's the name of your ministry and so that's ultimately when I filed um that became the name of the ministry so now I have a name of a a Ministry but I really don't have any connection because it was in the in the fall of 1995 and then the beginning of 1996 is when we heard about this thing called
25:30 - 26:00 the internet okay so prior to that um I'm now going to a a non- denominational charismatic type church and so alls I know is the people that I go to church with and I don't have any other means of having any other Outreach and but yet the Lord tells me to start this ministry and then the Lord's humor is he told me to name it International and so I thought International wow I mean all that I'm doing is I'm
26:00 - 26:30 going to church every Sunday and I'm sitting in the Pew and you want me to name something International now how's that ever going to be well but but with the internet coming in and one of the first things I remember about you you were collecting a lot of Articles and written pieces from different Ministries and anything that tended to be about prophecy or tended to be that was the early stages of the Messianic teachings you would collect some of those AR and make those available for other people I
26:30 - 27:00 would so um actually I created a website in 1996 and uh what I did is I went to the bookstore and I I learned that this web page is put together what's called HTML HTML code so I bought a book on uh how to make HTML C code how to make a header how to make a link and whatever and I spent 9 months uh uh making uh the different sections and searching
27:00 - 27:30 the internet to find out what was out there and having links to Israel and having links to other things and uh uh then in the book it says well this is how you can make a form for somebody to fill out and submit so I thought you know what I have no idea that anyone's ever going to visit this web page but here in the book it says I can make it so just for the sake of argument I'll make it I made it like a questionnaire so when I made it I had no way of receiving how the information was
27:30 - 28:00 filled out um um how to glean because it all came across as one long string so I had an email that I would send out because I could at least see their email address and said I'm sorry could you fill this out again and so um the people were first starting to get uh email uh in 1996 so those were coming on and looking for Israel and hebra things wasn't very many more websites out there
28:00 - 28:30 than mine so a lot of the people from 96 to 2000 found my website well I wanted to keep them engaged so I I signed up on various lists that would get articles uh about Israel and about our faith Etc and I would collect them myself and I would go through and pick the best ones and I would send them out to my email list and I was stunned that I would get uh I would get people that filled out my form um every single day and it would on
28:30 - 29:00 average be between 2 and five now it doesn't sound too much in one day but you do it every single day for 30 days now you got 125 people and now you do it for all of a sudden you're reaching many people all a sudden you got a thousand people yeah and so then I'm sending out information and uh they're loving it because in those days you couldn't wait to read your email now you don't want to see your email but now then you wanted to um have your email and then they started asking me
29:00 - 29:30 questions well should we be doing the festival should we be doing Passover and they started ask me uh questions about acts 10 acts 15 Galatians whatever that I never really had to think about before and I I had to start thinking about it uh and answering their questions and that's how things took off from there when we uh we're going to take a break right now but when we come back we're going to learn more about Eddie and his ministry he very Heritage Ministries International and we're going to find
29:30 - 30:00 out how the international part became part of his ministry as he shares more with us about it we'll be back in a moment [Music]
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30:30 - 31:00 all right we are back with Eddie and Eddie's been sharing with us about your first introduction to the internet your first interest in the festivals and we're talking about in the late 19 19 uh '90s yeah that was when I was on the
31:00 - 31:30 internet my my introductory learning was 89 to 92 and I think you and I met for the first time there in 96 and so there was a connections to a couple of Ministries going we were just getting started you know at the time you were just getting started and so forth so take it from there tell us about what God has done with this ministry of yours and where it is taking you and I and by the way standby folks he's been all over the world you're going to love this go ahead so it was from the email list that
31:30 - 32:00 I started to send out uh in November of 1996 that people enjoyed what they were receiving and hearing and then in 1997 um some people on my email list said hey this is fascinating information we don't know anybody that's teaching this stuff if if we would have you come out and teach for the weekend would you be willing to come out and teach and so I said yeah yeah sure um you know help
32:00 - 32:30 me to get out there and and give me a place to stay and and uh give me a place to speak and and we can share and so that was in the summer of 1997 as that invitation came and from that invitation to today this is 2024 the invitations have not stopped right there was such a hunger out there uh of people that had uh grew up the church system had a love and a connection to Israel and God had
32:30 - 33:00 stirring in their hearts um about understanding the Bible from a Messianic hebraic perspective it God put it in their hearts by his Spirit but there really wasn't a whole lot of teachers they're hearing this information and they want to hear more and it was actually uh the internet and me being one of the first uh web pages or or Ministries in 1996 having a presence on the internet that that really propelled
33:00 - 33:30 things so I I meet you in 1996 uh we both went to um a conference in Pennsylvania and and we weren't speakers at the conference we were just attenders we were just attenders in the marketplace right uh and uh we had a table right beside each other and you had this chart up there um you know about the tribulation period because I was interested in Bible prophecy and I like to hear people's perspectives I said oh um could you explain this uh chart to me uh that that you have laid
33:30 - 34:00 out there and we sat there for a number of days for a number of hours and you explained and and uh went over the chart and to be honest it was from talking to you at that time when the first thought got interjected into me about the possibility that there may not be a pre-trib Rapture because up until that time I like I was adamant um I could quote you all the scriptures give you all the reasons uh basic basically quote back everything Jack Van how how Lindsay
34:00 - 34:30 taught uh regarding the the subject matter and so uh my my my next uh step in in the leap of the progression of Bible prophecy and understanding things from a hebraic perspective is uh it was in like December of 1994 um is um I heard that some somehow there's this connection between the
34:30 - 35:00 northern kingdom and the New Testament and so I watched an hour video of a presentation on that and I thought to myself let I'm aware of what the New Testament says um I don't see anything in there in the New Testament has anything to say or any connection with the northern kingdom and so I heard a presentation uh that there was a connection and that was the beginning of my process to understand from 1995 to
35:00 - 35:30 1999 um uh what we now call um Ezekiel chapter 37 the two sticks becoming one and me becoming acquainted and a and aware of what we call the two houses of Israel now when we say the two houses of Israel we're talking about historically after David and Solomon that Israel was divided up into northern kingdom and Southern King so historically there were two houses in
35:30 - 36:00 Israel and so what uh what I never had any connection to because going to church we're taught that you know the Old Testament is the Jews and the New Testament is the Christians and there's not a connection between the two yeah Messiah is mentioned here but there's not a connection uh really between the two so therefore what happened to historical Israel we're taught really doesn't pertain to us it's just history
36:00 - 36:30 of them it's it's just history of them all of a sudden Messiah appears and in John 316 appears and we left them in the dust and we're moving forward yeah and so uh therefore um you know I never saw any connection so the the question is is there a connection with why Messiah came um at his first coming what he was doing does his coming have anything to do with the nation of Israel and do I have any connection to the nation of Israel so this be this began a process of the Lord
36:30 - 37:00 solely making me aware of different things and this took place over years not days or weeks or months but years where all of a sudden oh I I see the connection I see the understanding um such that in 1999 I wrote a book restoring the two houses of Israel where from what I learned from 95 to 99 um I Tred to communicate in that book but um actually interestingly enough
37:00 - 37:30 after I wrote that book um there was a Quantum Leap in my understanding of uh the end of days from now what I'm going to call a Messianic or hebraic perspective because after that book was printed it was printed September of 1999 it was in the summer of 2000 I was still at work and the Lord spoke to me uh and said uh that I I needed to further further understand what the Jewish people believed and so um um I
37:30 - 38:00 went and I went to amazon.com barnesand noble.com and I I I put in a rabbi manakum schneerson oh boy of the habad liovic okay because somehow God put upon my heart the put well I didn't know that he wrote any books and so uh whole bunch of books come up uh by him and here's the tile of the books that came up from exile to Redemption volume 1 volume two
38:00 - 38:30 anticipating the Redemption volume 1 volume 2 I await his coming uh every day sound the great chofar these are all books on Concepts and principles of Exile and Redemption and now at this point in time I the the Lord from what he spoke to me I started reading uh art scroll commentaries on Genesis and others and then I got and I read the the midrash Rah and from these I gleaned um uh hebraic connection that I never had
38:30 - 39:00 and was never presented in the Evangelical Christian Perspective and model and then what I had to do is I go through had to go through the process of reconciliation okay why did I believe the Evangelical view was actually what the Bible says what the New Testament says now I'm getting a little bit of a different perspective and the one thing that I read that I I really had to meditate upon uh I believe I first saw in the midra Shabah is that um the task
39:00 - 39:30 of King Messiah is to end the Exile okay and all these Bible prophecy uh uh teachings and uh that I've gotten over the years in Evangelical Christianity there was Zero mention that King Messiah when Yeshua returns at the second coming he's coming back as king Messiah there was Zero mention that King messiah's task is to end the Exile but then I found out um that is a very Central criteria in Orthodox Judaism regarding
39:30 - 40:00 who they're going to accept and regard the Messiah is is is he ends the Exile and then I learned about there's these amida prayers and then the 10th prayer of the amida is a prayer for the ending of of the Exile and so it was a process of time that things uh came together but me coming into Messianic um perspective Messianic understanding was driven by my pursuit to try to understand Bible prophecy let me add this for the benefit
40:00 - 40:30 of the audience listening here what Eddie was able to do was something that the average Christian doesn't get a chance to do and that is to go back there's a whole bunch more of the Bible that really talks about the second coming of the Messiah in fact there's in my opinion there's more prophecies about the second coming of the Messiah in the Old Testament than there is in the New Testament and most Christians are not familiar with those but for those who
40:30 - 41:00 have come to understand this and if you'll be willing to listen to a Hebrew point of view you will find out why did the Jewish people why did the religious Jewish people reject Yeshua of Nazareth as being the Messiah if you sit down with a religious Jew today and say give me one good reason why you reject you don't think he's the Messiah they're I'll tell you what they're going to say well he didn't bring the scattered exile back from the Nations that's exactly right and because he didn't do the Final
41:00 - 41:30 Redemption because their anticipation is all the prophecies about what you and I call the second coming when he restores the whole house of Jacob and brings the scattered exos back and establishes his kingdom in Jerusalem that division between the two houses is going to be reunified that's when the Messiah comes again well what they failed to understand was God did two works you know he he first of all had done creation then he does the work of
41:30 - 42:00 redemption and the work of restoration is a completely separate work at the End of the Age so we as Believers as Christians we see the work of redemption and don't know about the work of restoration but the Jews do know about that so going back and learning that their point of view oh my gosh now we have a much better picture about what the second coming is about it's called the Final Redemption of Israel so um of course the
42:00 - 42:30 Lord who knows all things um he knew I had a Missing Link in my studies but I didn't know and so that's why he directed me and said well you need to study what the the Jewish people believe about these matters and so in that Pursuit um uh there was a a a website and uh right now I I can't remember the name of the website but it featured uh two books um one was a matter of Return
42:30 - 43:00 by Rabbi rafhael Eisenberg and and the uh the other was the Messianic idea in Israel so between the concepts of Exile and Redemption which was outlined in rebby schneerson's multiple books and from going over the Messianic idea in Israel which was a compilation of all Jewish sources and what is said about the Messiah both our written scripture and you know and other sources it was in those sources where they say that it
43:00 - 43:30 will be in the future like it was in the past so that Biblical history is prophecy is is what I learned from the Jewish sources that The Exodus out of Egypt is prophetic of uh a greater Exodus from the nations in the end of days it was in those Jewish sources it was in those Jewish that's not something that you or I made up no okay no it it's an ancient teaching that what happens to the F fathers will happen to The
43:30 - 44:00 Descendants that's one of the profound prophetic teachings of Moses and the prophets all right so now um when I'm saying well I'm going to go through because the Lord told me I needed to study and and learn what the Jewish people believed in a deeper and a greater measure than what I had so I got and I read like The Art scroll commentaries on Genesis you know it's got It's a couple volumes over a thousand pages es okay so what they repeatedly explained in there that like
44:00 - 44:30 you said what happens the fathers happens their descendants that basically they showed that the pattern of Exile Redemption so then I became aware that in essence the the central theme of the Bible is this concept of Exon Redemption unless we understand the principles of Exile Redemption we're not going to really fully understand the Bible and we're not going to ful understand messiah's coming in the end of days then all of a sudden um I
44:30 - 45:00 realized oh wait a second I believe that Yeshua is the Messiah I believe he's King Messiah I believe he's coming back if uh Judaism understands that King Messiah ends the Exile and I believe that Yeshua is the Messiah there should be evidence of this in the New Testament and so when I go back and I reexamine Matthew 24 and uh and then the parallel to Luke CH 21 Yeshua says when
45:00 - 45:30 you see all these things look up for your Redemption draw nigh now I know from a Jewish perspective that word Redemption means the end of the Exile so Yeshua is discussing about his coming back and the end of the Exile then I'm looking at Revelation I'm saying well wait a second if this is talking about the events that's happening when Yeshua is going to return and he's coming back to gather unite the Exiles of Israel to full the task of King Messiah then uh this should be in the Book of Revelation so you know the opening up of
45:30 - 46:00 that scroll in Revelation 5 who's that's actually the scroll of redemption that he's going to end the Exile and it's and it's now unraveling what are the events that are going to be happening in the world while Messiah is ending the Exile that's really what the Book of Revelation speaks toward and so then um in learning the concepts of Exile Redemption from one of uh Reby schneerson's books he says uh uh
46:00 - 46:30 the end of the Exile is liken to a new song it's also in the midrash rabah uh and so then what Revelation five when he opens up the scroll what are they doing they're singing a new song and and and it's liken to play Harps from Psalm 137 in Babylon your harps on the willow but uh David played Harps David was King over all 12 tribes so the playing of the harps is a is is a phrase about the gather uniting the 12 tribes of Israel
46:30 - 47:00 then let me let me uh show you this in Revelation 7 because this really hit me this like okay this kind of seals it uh in uh Revelation in chapter 7 there's a question that gets ask uh in verses 13 and 14 it says and one of the elders answered said who are these AR raay in white robes and where they come from he said sir you know they came out of Great Tribulation so we're answering uh the question who are these that came out of Great Tribulation so the answer that's
47:00 - 47:30 given in Revelation 7:16 And1 17 it says they will hunger no more they will thirst no more neither shall the sun light upon them nor any heat for the lamb which is in the midst of the throne will feed them he will lead them into living Fountains of water and God will wipe away all tears from their eyes so that's a description of those that came out of Great Tribulation now I happen to have my favorite Bible Hebrew Greek key Study Bible um King James version and so this Bible is meticulously cross referenced so I'm looking down at my
47:30 - 48:00 cross reference as I'm reading that one day and thinking the thought well Revelation has to be speaking about King Messiah coming Gathering the Exiles but how's that so and I look down at my cross reference and my cross reference says uh that Revelation 7:16 And1 17 is Isaiah 49:10 I said Isaiah 49:10 what's what's that so I flipped to Isaiah 49:1 it says they will not hunger nor thirst neither shall the heat nor Sun
48:00 - 48:30 Smite them for he that has Mercy on them will lead them even by Springs of water shall he guide them well that's the quote of Revelation 7 all right so now now Isaiah 49:10 then becomes those that came out of Great Tribulation well like who are those well Isaiah 499 says that you may say to the prisoners go forth the Exile is a prison and then um I was reading in the the rash rabah uh there's a commentary on Isaiah 499 and the commentary says that
48:30 - 49:00 the prisoners um are the 10 tribes of the northern kingdom and so if the prisoners are the 10 tribes of the northern kingdom then they're a part of who Messiah is gathering in Revelation chapter 7 and all of a sudden um I see that the New Testament Matthew 24 The Book of Revelation is about Messiah returning um to gather and Unite um and end the Exile of his people to
49:00 - 49:30 fulfill the prophecy of Ezekiel chter 37 H and vers uh 15 to 24 and now because of the passion that the lord gave me when I was 16 about Bible prophecy once I learned this I was driven that um I need to share this message with the Brethren I need to share that Messiah is coming back to end the Exile that the two sticks are going to become and one and so because this is
49:30 - 50:00 not what Evangelical Christianity uh uh teaches it's not their understanding it's not their perspective it it's kind of difficult because the people that you're sharing this message with they're completely unaware of it and so you're you're you're showing them who Messiah is who Yeshua is why he's coming at his second coming but they're not going to be aware of it because they've only heard the Evangelical View and and they don't know that King Messiah that's why they don't know that King Messiah ends
50:00 - 50:30 the Exile of his people but the Lord knew it that's why the Lord spoke to my heart and said you need to study what they they believe about um uh about the matter and so uh this is what's Driven me um over the years and given me a passion to teach a hebraic understanding that is centered on Bible prophecy and of course that's what your ministry is about right I I was going to say that when we connected and so forth we
50:30 - 51:00 connected over the same message um you were looking at how to bring the two houses back together again I saw the Final Redemption right along with you I viewed the Messiah coming the the first time to us doing a personal Redemption but there was a greater corporate Redemption for the whole Kingdom for the whole nation of Israel that was yet to be accomplished uh which is the part my Jewish Brethren kept looking for the corporate r Redemption didn't realize he was going to do a personal Redemption for us individually
51:00 - 51:30 but now we can see all of it coming together as we come to the end of the age for me the thing that connected me most strongly with you was the Lord had in a moment of teaching Torah since I was teaching the Torah systematically that God all of a sudden just being binged on me and he went you do know the teaching about the Exodus of Egypt it's a prophecy that will happen to the last generation you do know that
51:30 - 52:00 Monty and I'm going what you mean you mean all this story about the Egyptian Exodus it's really a prophecy about what will happen to the last generation there'll be a greater Exodus when the when God restores all things the Final Redemption comes and I got the picture you know immediately we're in trials and tribulations in this world we're going to go through this Great Tribulation this wilderness experience and ultimately we're going to cross the Jordan we're going to go on
52:00 - 52:30 the promised land which will be the kingdom and we're actually going back to Jerusalem you know that's where we're actually going to go so when you came along in your perspective and your point of view that dovetailed perfectly with my Ministry and what the Lord had put on my and if you'll recall you and I went on the road I I think we did three times all around the nation traveling uh teaching on this subject an ad joint teaching in multiple cities and trying to get the word out on the subject and
52:30 - 53:00 um I think I think we've been pretty successful I think that uh across the board in most of the Messianic movement the language that we're now using here the Final Redemption greater Exodus um you know those all of those kinds of things are becoming more commonplace people are beginning to accept those it's certainly an alternative to the Evangelical thing about the uh Escape of the church the pre-trib Rapture and all that from a prophetic standpoint but I
53:00 - 53:30 think more fundamentally in the whole course of this is uh all of this teaching Drew us all back to walking before the Lord recognizing who he is listening to how he describes himself and then us agreeing to the original Covenant whatsoever the Lord has said we will do and we're suddenly getting we're we're over coming the reason why our ancestors got kicked out of the land the reason why we went into
53:30 - 54:00 Exile is because we had forgotten the Lord and rejected the Lord and we are in the steps of remembering the Lord and beginning to keep the Commandments and teaching people to keep the Commandments and and there's a lot of prophecies that talk about the return of us you know to the Lord in that regard so touching on that you not only do you do prophecy but you do basic fundamental teaching about how the Commandments that the Messiah was there at Mount Si giving those Commandments and they are his Commandments as well and that's That
54:00 - 54:30 Rocks the world uh when it comes to that the Commandments are for all believers as opposed to just Israel or just the Jewish people yeah so I was taught as I started going to church what everybody else there in the church world is taught it's age of law age of Grace and age of Grace supersedes the age of Law and we don't keep keep Sabbath and festivals and and uh we don't keep uh Sabbath
54:30 - 55:00 anymore so um when I'm having my initial email list at the end of the 1990s um I telling them about my book and telling about the festivals teach about uh the Messiah both his first and second coming and then people would ask me uh they would say well if that's so like should we be doing the festivals today and the answer I gave them was well it's kind of theoretical because
55:00 - 55:30 around me I don't know anybody that that does Passover I don't know anybody that does Tabernacles and so in in Zechariah Chapter 14 um it does say that all the nations are going to keep the Feast of Tabernacle so I I guess we are going to continue to do them but I don't know where and how to do it with anybody uh locally with me and it's probably the same with you well the Lord changed all that that because there were so many Brethren uh that was stirred uh
55:30 - 56:00 regarding about understanding hebraic things about understanding the the festivals that um it was in 1998 uh when I was asked to participate in my very first Feast of Tabernacles and then ultimately from you and I being connected uh in uh and first meeting each other in 1996 uh the Lord had you starting putting on Feast of Tabernacles here in Chandler Oklahoma and ultimately we connected because I believe it a
56:00 - 56:30 2003 um is when you asked me to come and and and be a part of the Feast of Tabernacles here and then uh I did my own for several years back in Ohio but then starting in 2007 and pretty much not absolutely every year but but pretty much mostly every year from 2007 uh to now we've been co- laboring um and the bre that's come from um all over the United States
56:30 - 57:00 even uh from uh other countries come to the Feast of Tabernacles um we've been co-laboring and sharing this message about the two sticks becoming one and other things of of the faith as the Brethren has been uh coming and celebrating the Feast of Tabernacle so that caused our Ministries uh to ultimately um have common ground and and a common perspective uh to be able to join not only to share with the
57:00 - 57:30 Brethren about a Torah Concepts and principles and understandings but because we both have got a a prophecy call and to teach Bible prophecy at the end of days we we link together and wanting to to teach the Brethren about the end of days coming of the Lord and Bible prophecy yeah and uh a lot of the Brethren that knew you and were connected with you when you in when you were going to come to the Feast of Tabernacles they came as well and um they learned of Lon of L Ministries and
57:30 - 58:00 me and Brethren that I knew that had were coming to the feast they learned of you so it kind of fed on each other all of a sudden we found out there was a greater assembly of Brethren all over the place we only have just a short time left but I want you to mention just very briefly the Lord has opened the door for you not only to take this message but to go in National yes that you've been able to go to many assemblies in other
58:00 - 58:30 nations just give me a quick survey of the Nations you've gone to and the assembly you so I've spoken in the United States roughly in 40 different states almost every province of Canada uh Costa Rica um and then Australia New Zealand um Hong Kong uh Malaysia South Korea Scandinavian countries Norway Sweden Finland uh Iceland and and then uh all over Europe uh England Wales uh
58:30 - 59:00 Ireland Belgium France Germany Switzerland Poland and here just recently I went to Slovakia and Italy and so um I probably missed a few countries but uh uh the Lord has blessed me with the opportunity uh to share this message um all over the world with the Brethren and so when he told me to name it International um he knew the future he knew what the calling would be he knew where he would
59:00 - 59:30 be sending me out and he actually told me when I was at at work one day he said well um uh you do not have enough time to do what I've called you to do because uh in and work 40 hours a week like you've been doing as a computer programmer because ultimately I'm going to be sending you out internationally and you got to choose and so I knew the best choice was to to choose the Lord and right after he told me that within 24 hours they got an email and somebody asked me to come and speak at the first
59:30 - 60:00 ever restoring uh the the Tabernacle of David in South Africa and that launched the International Ministry Eddie thank you for coming and being a part of the Lion Share and uh I invite you to join us at the Feast of Tabernacles you can hear more teaching of Eddie at that location with us Eddie thank you uh for being a part of this program would you close us in a word pray it's been a privilege and an honor thank you for having me Heavenly Father uh we just want to
60:00 - 60:30 praise you and we thank you for who you are and the the mighty way in uh which uh you Endeavor to use those who say um I'm willing to be a servant of yours and so um I I thank you Heavenly Father how you've LED my life how you've LED Mon's life and you you've showed us uh what our calling and our purpose is in your kingdom and and you've been faithful to
60:30 - 61:00 O open up the doors so that ultimately what we say what we do um how we Minister it's ultimately For Your Glory the glory of your kingdom to bear fruit for your kingdom and to most of all to give honor to Yeshua hamashiach who he deserves all our praise Glory and Honor because uh it's all about him and uh what he has done for us to save our
61:00 - 61:30 souls and uh to bring about the fullness of the restoration and the Redemption of all things so we give you all praise and glory and honor for what you have done what you are doing and what you will do in our lives in our Ministries as you use us to uh bless your people all over the world and we thank thank you in yeshua's name amen Shalom everyone and
61:30 - 62:00 thank you for joining us