This Dean Withers "Microaggression" Racism Drama Is Insane.

Summary

In a highly dramatic and convoluted situation, a content creator named Z found herself embroiled in a controversy over alleged microaggressions against black women during a TikTok live session, which led to a major fallout within the "Unfuck America" tour group. The group, consisting of various creators, debated whether Z should continue as the tour organizer, leading to intense debates and accusations of racism, mishandling, and lack of communication. Despite efforts to address these issues internally, tensions flared with accusations flying in all directions, further complicated by live discussions and social media responses.

Highlights

• Z was accused of being microaggressive towards black women during a live session, causing a major controversy. ⚡
• The "Unfuck America" tour faced turmoil as creators argued over whether Z should remain as the organizer. 🚩
• Key players involved tried to navigate through the controversy with live discussions and public apologies. 🎥
• There were allegations of mishandling and internal miscommunication, exacerbating the conflicts. 📉
• Online reactions to the drama were fierce, with many calling for accountability and transparency. 🔍

Key Takeaways

• The drama unfolded due to alleged microaggressions by a tour organizer, Z, which sparked intense discussions. 🎭
• Creators involved in the tour were divided on how to handle the situation, highlighting communication issues. 📞
• There was a call for Z to step down as the tour organizer, leading to internal conflicts and public reactions. 🎤
• The discussions brought to light various interpersonal and racial tensions within the group. 🤯
• Accusations of racism were flung liberally, displaying the complex dynamics of online communities. 🌐

Overview

The controversy began when Z, an organizer of the "Unfuck America" tour, allegedly displayed microaggressions towards black women during a TikTok live session. This event opened a Pandora's box of accusations and counter-accusations among the creators involved in the tour, putting the entire tour's future in jeopardy. As online reactions poured in, the discord among the group members grew more public and intense, prompting broader discussions on accountability and leadership within grassroots movements.

Creators within the tour grappled with how to address the issue, leading to a divide among the influencers. Some called for Z to be removed from her position, asserting that her actions were unacceptable and harmful, while others pointed out the lack of effective communication and understanding within the team. This public debacle highlighted not only the intricacies of managing online collectives but also the deep-seated racial and interpersonal tensions in such spaces.

Amidst the chaos, discussions turned to broader themes of performative activism, responsibility, and the role of influencers in social movements. As accusations continued to fly, the need for a more structured and understanding approach to leadership and diversity management became apparent. The drama surrounding Z and the "Unfuck America" tour served as a microcosm of larger societal issues, reflecting the challenges inherent in navigating activism and identity in the digital age.

Chapters

• 00:00 - 00:07: Introduction Z, an organizer, was accused of being microaggressive against black women during a Tik Tok live session. Despite their efforts in advocating for marginalized voices, Z faced backlash for their comments. The controversy arose because Z seemed defensive when confronted, reflecting the tension between their intentions and the impact of their actions.
• 00:07 - 00:18: Set-up and Context The chapter discusses feelings of self-prioritization and an effort to avoid such sentiments. The speaker reflects on the need to move beyond personal conversation, acknowledging the good things done by the other party. Despite being on live earlier, the speaker questions why these positive aspects weren't mentioned. There is a sense of frustration with the surrounding people, described as the 'worst group of people,' yet the speaker continues to engage, possibly due to an external message regarding a seemingly awkward or embarrassing subject.
• 00:18 - 00:30: Discussion on Racism and Apologies In this chapter titled 'Discussion on Racism and Apologies', the focus is on the implosion of an organization led by Dean Withers and Parker, which is accused of fostering racist microaggressions by its leader. Gen Z members within the organization are disillusioned and are pushing to dismantle the funding for their campaigns and travels. The narrative details the internal chaos and the broader implications of these actions, while touching on the roles of key figures like Parker and the tour organizer named Z. The chapter paints a picture of a generational clash and the call for accountability and change within the organization.
• 00:30 - 00:38: Black and White Creators Tensions The chapter discusses tensions between Black and White creators, highlighting a specific incident involving the organizer of the Unfuck America tour, named Z. Before heading to Texas, Z participated in a live discussion with a panel of Black women and exhibited microaggressive behavior towards them. This incident was recorded and likely became a point of contention.
• 00:38 - 00:46: Addressing Microaggressions The chapter "Addressing Microaggressions" begins with the speaker recalling hearing about an incident involving a panel member. Initially unaware of the full details, the speaker later learns about the panel member's actions. This revelation occurs just two days before a planned event in Texas. Reflecting on recent events, the speaker mentions traveling to Texas and reveals that they have not discussed this matter publicly before now. The speaker opens the chapter by expressing an intention to apologize, indicating that the subsequent discussion will address the microaggressions and their implications.
• 00:46 - 01:06: Conversations and Conflicts In the chapter titled 'Conversations and Conflicts,' the transcript reveals a speaker addressing their audience, specifically members of the Bipo community. The speaker expresses regret for not addressing certain issues sooner. They offer support to black, indigenous, or people of color who are part of their stream but take a firm stance against the label 'bipok,' indicating a clear boundary regarding identifications they find problematic. The chapter captures the tension in navigating identities and community engagement in social and personal spaces.
• 01:06 - 01:19: Arguments and Accusations The chapter 'Arguments and Accusations' delves into the protagonist's introspection and acknowledgment of their internal conflicts. It covers their thought process on navigating their future while considering past mistakes. The narrative reveals the protagonist's struggle with perceived sexism and the need to hold themselves accountable for their actions and thoughts. The chapter captures the complexity of self-reflection and accountability.
• 01:19 - 01:29: More Reactions and Backlash The chapter titled 'More Reactions and Backlash' addresses the author's reflection on a past decision regarding an event in Texas. The author acknowledges their failure to call out a specific issue before traveling there, citing the internal justification of having committed to fans who had already planned to attend. In hindsight, the author admits to not handling the situation appropriately, indicating a lesson learned from the experience.
• 01:29 - 01:38: Creators’ Experiences The chapter titled 'Creators’ Experiences' discusses a situation where the organizer of a group, identified as 'Z', exhibited racist microaggressions towards Black women during a TikTok live session. The narrator acknowledges their own complicity by continuing to participate in the trip despite the incident, reflecting on the impact of their actions and the responses from others asking about the situation.
• 01:38 - 01:53: Tour and Organizing Challenges The chapter discusses the challenges faced during a tour, focusing on issues such as microaggressions and managing public presence on social media. The protaganist expresses a strong sense of responsibility towards their fans, deciding to continue with the tour despite personal challenges. Additionally, there are restrictions placed on a character named Z, preventing her from going live or appearing in social media posts, indicating that not everyone involved is benefiting equally from the tour's attention.
• 01:53 - 02:04: Impact of the Controversy The chapter discusses the impact of a controversy where the organizer of a group (referred to as the 'pack') reflects on a past live event. They admit to not using their influence to hold someone accountable and recognize the missed opportunity for positive change. They speculate that if they had insisted on accountability, the group's likely response would have been to support them, even if it meant removing the person in question. The organizer acknowledges their mistake and apologizes, emphasizing the importance of accountability.
• 02:04 - 02:20: Apologies and Realizations The chapter titled 'Apologies and Realizations' explores the theme of accountability, particularly for individuals in the public spotlight. The dialogue reveals a discussion about holding oneself accountable for actions and involves a brief conversation about someone named Drew Pavo and his intentions to discuss 'bad empanada.' The chapter underscores the concept of self-awareness and the necessity for public figures to recognize their responsibilities and shortcomings.
• 02:20 - 02:29: Exposing Further Issues The chapter titled 'Exposing Further Issues' highlights a critical perspective on societal dynamics, specifically addressing the role of white men in relation to white women. The transcript suggests that a significant failure of white men is not holding white women accountable, which has inadvertently led to their increased power in society. This is presented as a troubling issue, with white men being chiefly responsible for allowing this development. The chapter seems to delve into the complexities of gender and power relations, challenging existing narratives on accountability and influence.
• 02:29 - 02:40: Addressing Criticisms The speaker begins by sincerely apologizing for past actions. They reflect on recent events and note their return to Colorado. Over the last few days, they have been considering how to move forward from the situation. The speaker indicates that they, along with Parker, Santana, and others who will be joining a live session soon, have reached a conclusion about their next steps.
• 02:40 - 02:52: Closing Remarks The chapter discusses the unexpected ending of a tour involving 30 creators. Despite having scheduled stops at various schools, a decision was made to cancel the entire tour. This abrupt conclusion seemed to stem from organizational issues, leaving the creators puzzled and questioning the future leadership of the tour organizer, identified as Z.

This Dean Withers "Microaggression" Racism Drama Is Insane. Transcription

• 00:00 - 00:30 What happened? The organizer of the pack, their name is Z, had gone on to a Tik Tok live and uh been microaggressive against black women in that space. Oh, when Z bottom right first joins and comes up defensive. Uh-oh, here we go. Thank you for coming up. Is absolutely insanely disgusting that somebody has actually spent part of their life, adult life, like building campaigns and trying to help marginalize voices. The fact that going on to a live and saying something like, "Hey, it doesn't help when you guys say like this." uh that they're getting completely cut out from
• 00:30 - 01:00 this now ising gross. I feel like I'm putting myself first again. That's what I This is what I want to avoid. This is what I wanted to avoid. Um I think we're past a one-on-one conversation realistically. Um I I think that you've done a lot of really good things. Um why didn't you talk about any of those when you were on live earlier, though? Bro, this is the worst group of people ever. Holy Oh my god. How do you live in this world? Somebody messaged me and said, "Are you interested in the incredibly cringe
• 01:00 - 01:30 self-implosion of Dean Withers, Parker, and others?" UNF America pack falling apart over self-described racist microaggressions by the pack leader. Apparently, a huge number of Gen Z want to tank this whole pack funding their campaign traveling. Wait, what? Oh no. Oh my god. What do we have going on here? self. This relates to Parker and this relates to to the organizer of the tour, uh Z. So, um first and foremost, I
• 01:30 - 02:00 think it's worth kind of going over um like why we're talking about this. So, I say we start there. Uh for those that don't know, uh because I'm going to go ahead and assume that there's a lot of people in this live that don't know. Uh the organizer of the Unfuck America tour, her name is Z. And I want to say maybe 2 or 3 days before we inevitably went boots on the ground in Texas, Z had joined a live uh with a plan with a panel of black women and had been incredibly microaggressive against them. Um this was then uh recorded and and
• 02:00 - 02:30 word got around and in fact uh I knew that she was on a panel uh and had gone to [ __ ] while it was happening, but it wasn't until the next day that I had learned exactly what she was she had done. Uh, and at that point, uh, we were two days out from Boots on the Ground in Texas. And if we reflect on the last week, you all know that I ended up going to Texas. And I have not spoken about this on my liveream until now. So, my first order of business is apologizing
• 02:30 - 03:00 to the individuals that are watching the stream that are a member of the Bipo community for not speaking out about this sooner. the bipox. Over the course of the last, I want to say five to six to seven days since this, there's I just want to say if you are black or indigenous or a person of color and you've stumbled into my stream, I love you and I support you. But if you ever call yourself bipok, my god, get the out. Been a a lot of um a lot of
• 03:00 - 03:30 thoughts that have been going around in my head. Oh. Oh. There's been a a lot of um a lot of thoughts that have been going around in my head uh in so far as how I want to navigate through this and what I want to achieve and what I want the future to look like. Um but I think one really big mistake I've made, uh one really bad thing I've done, something I need to hold wasn't I thought he was being sexist. He said there were a lot of thoughts [ __ ] a [ __ ] up, but he meant thoughts myself accountable for was um
• 03:30 - 04:00 not calling this out before we went boots on the ground in Texas. Um and at the time and uh my internal justification was that well I have fans uh across the country that have already bought their plane tickets uh to go to Texas and they're going to be there and I I want to make sure that I'm there for them. Um, and in retrospect, I recognize that I did not handle the situation
• 04:00 - 04:30 correctly and that on its own was not valid. Um, what I should have done in response, everybody's asking what has happened, so we'll go ahead and reiterate what happened. Uh, was that Z um, the organizer of the pack been microaggressive to black women on a TikTok live. How and I racist microaggressions. Yeah. Yeah. And and essentially like I was complacent with it. Um, in in so far as the impact of of my actions because I still went on the trip, right? Jesus, he still went even after she
• 04:30 - 05:00 microaggressed. Is this guy serious right now? Uh, and my justification at the time was, well, uh, a lot of fans have already bought their tickets, so I want to make sure that I could be there for them. Um, and at that time it was uh requested that Z doesn't go live or or doesn't make posts with her face on any of the accounts. So, she's not personally been fitting off of any of the uh attention that the tour gets. Uh,
• 05:00 - 05:30 the organizer of the pack that went on this live, but wasn't enough. I now recognize that I could have leveraged my influence and got her to get her executed that either accountable and we see genuine progress or I'm not going to go and the likely response would have uh from the pack would have been damn all right she's either going to hold herself accountable or we're going to kick her off and we'd still love you to come with and I didn't do that I didn't do that and I apologize. Um, I think it's really really important uh for for everybody to
• 05:30 - 06:00 hold themselves to a certain degree of accountability uh when they do something. Is the audio [ __ ] or my headphones [ __ ] The audios are [ __ ] Yeah, just standard SM7B things. Drew Pavo. Yeah, I see it. What is he? He said he wants to talk about bad empanada. Um, we'll talk about it in a bit after this. Okay. He's a crazy guy. What do you want me to say? I know he's crazy. Okay. shouldn't have, especially people in the public in the public spotlight, um, uh, like myself,
• 06:00 - 06:30 uh, like Parker, uh, etc. Especially white men, right? Yes, we do not talk enough about how much white men have failed us. You know how white men have failed us? By not holding white women accountable enough. Okay? It has been our chief failure on this planet to allow white women to become as powerful as they have. Okay? And I hold white men chiefly responsible for this troubling development in society.
• 06:30 - 07:00 I I I I seriously I want to apologize for that. Now, um since those events have transpired and you know now, of course, I'm back in Colorado. Uh, for the last couple days, I've been determining how we want to navigate through this and what the next move is. And and here's what we've come to the conclusion of. Okay. Um, today, me, Parker, Santana, and a bunch of other people that are going to be joining the live here shortly, uh, we
• 07:00 - 07:30 were able to get 30 creators, every single critter that went on the tour on a call. Um, and we came to the conclusion, are we going to all apologize? We will not be continuing. Uh, this tour they're killing the whole tour. What the why? The whole tour? Wait, was this their first stop? How many schools do they have planned? Uh, under the organization of Z. So either Z steps down from the position of being the organizer
• 07:30 - 08:00 of the pack, supporting the tour, or the tour leaves the pack. Damn. And this decision has been made. Yes. Because she was microaggressive uh against black also. We'll get there because um she's just simply uh not an effective leader. Uh, and I believe uh what perpetuated the microaggressions on that Tik Tok live uh was just a lack of ability to hold uh herself accountable uh when she [ __ ] up. Wow. And we've now
• 08:00 - 08:30 seen this lack of an ability to hold herself accountable when she up uh not just uh projected on the black women on that live uh but also onto many creators involved with the pack. Um, and we will no longer be working with her essentially. Um, I'd also like to point out there is another creator uh live on Tik Tok right now that is talking about all of this and holding a panel for criticism. First and foremost, all all constructive always invited. Please let
• 08:30 - 09:00 them be. All constructive criticism is what got me from being the boy I was 5 years ago to the man I am to the man I am today. Uh, and it's really important. But this live is not a reaction or reactionary to this other creators live. Um, and I as well as Parker as well as all the creators that we will have in this space uh can attest to the fact that we have been figuring out how we want to move forward and what this live is going to look like since before this other creator went live. Okay. Thank God
• 09:00 - 09:30 cuz I thought it was important that they aligned attacking them simultaneously. But thank god that's not the case. So anyways, Parker, if there's anything that you want to add on at this point, feel free and I'll probably have some thoughts as well. Something I definitely wanted to add on top is that like I definitely am I'm happy that people can call me out and I really want people to call me out and I want people in my community and in Dean's community to feel more comfortable with calling us out when we do things that are wrong because what we did definitely was wrong. We definitely should have addressed it earlier. that is something that needs to be taken accountability
• 09:30 - 10:00 from and I don't want our communities right uh to to like just defend us in any circumstance right even when it's obvious that we did something wrong so I I want to make it clear that like it's important to take accountability it's important to address things I think that's a really important thing it's also really important you guys call me out too okay as harshly as you can because if you guys don't call me out how the am I supposed to know who to ban on my subreddit okay so remember where to do reddit.com/restiny.
• 10:00 - 10:30 You do. Uh, and I definitely think it's something that we could have leveraged to get um like addressed earlier. And I think that's what we should have done. True. Yeah. And I guess like being willing to put yourself in uncomfortable situations and make a sacrifice uh to hold red lines against things such as racism um is is really is is incredibly important. So important. uh because what it demonstrates is I want to consciously deconstruct um you know like systems of oppression in America today and um I
• 10:30 - 11:00 didn't do that and that was wrong and I should have and I apologize. I apologize and I definitely think that coming from a white we genuinely invite the criticism. We invite people critiquing us and it's really important. We just want to say that we like we appreciate people calling us out and holding us accountable because I think it's really important. Sorry I'm going to cut you off. And and then just to kind of reiterate for everybody new that's coming in what had happened. I'm going to go and kind of reiterate like a couple say microaggression. I want to hear I need to hear the microaggressions and then we're going to have a couple
• 11:00 - 11:30 other people up on the panel and then we're going to kind of shift the conversation of what's she said I don't want to repeat it exactly but let me just say she said that something was for real but two times in quick secession. Now I'm not going to say it exactly but I think you guys all get the point. I'm just kidding. I don't know what actually what happened. Um, so basically what happened, the organizer of the pack, uh, their name is Z. Tell us, um, Z, uh, 2 or 3 days before we went boots on the ground in Texas, uh, had gone on to a Tik Tok live and, uh,
• 11:30 - 12:00 been microaggressive against black women in that space. Oh, wow. And I learned about this the day after it occurred. Of course, uh, when she was on live, I knew she was on live and I knew that it was bad. I didn't know exactly what had been said, uh, because I was at dinner with my grandparents. But when I did learn about this and didn't take further movement, you think black people have grandparents? He didn't realize his own privilege. before I went boots on the ground uh to basically leverage my position as a larger influence on this platform to either say um you know I'm
• 12:00 - 12:30 not going to go unless we see a genuine sense of accountability or uh she steps down because I rather thought to myself um I I rather thought to myself that individuals have already bought their plane tickets to show up uh and yeah anyways um that was something wrong that I did and Now, um to kind of reiterate uh what is to come, me, Parker, as well as every other critter that have went on the trip have not calling out critters. Uh this was earlier today and we've come
• 12:30 - 13:00 to the unanimous decision that we will no longer be working with Z. Uh the first order of business uh is is requesting Z to step down as the organizer of the pack uh and invite a new organizer um to further the unfuck America tour or we just completely leave the pack behind to reiterate um that it is her it is a fact that she was microaggressive against black women in that space. That's not even up for decision as well.
• 13:00 - 13:30 It's a fact that we just simply do not think she's an effective leader. Um, and then once again, just to reiterate what I think led her to being microaggressive against those black women, absolute lacking ability to hold herself accountable and then she projects that on the people around her. And this was present live as well as interpersonally with the creators. Um, and essentially on top of being microaggressive to those black women, she does something bad at her job. But, um, yeah, let's kind of talk about what's to come. Uh, what the next steps are uh, and the overall and the overall goal of the tour. Um, and
• 13:30 - 14:00 for that I think it's important that we kind of bring up a handful of people. I better hear these guys microaggressions. So, at this point in time, we're going to go ahead and get a handful of people up here. Okay, let's go. There better be a lot of black creators up here. The white guy. I think you can do the thing where you can do like I think it's four and then you are kind of like halfway big. So, it still keeps you like relatively big. Does that make sense? Yeah. Where is Z?
• 14:00 - 14:30 Z, if you want to come on stream and defend yourself, you're welcome to do so. I'm the black woman speaker, okay? There's a reason why. Or whisper. There's a reason why they call me Destiny. Okay. Oh, hello. And then I'd also just like to reiterate one more time for everybody new coming in here, uh, that this live is not reactionary to the other creator who's hosting a live about this right now. in fact. Oh, Erica. Erica, you have back on the mic. Um, and that this live is not
• 14:30 - 15:00 reactionary to another creator who's on here uh talking about this all. In fact, we've been kind of planning this out and we've been meeting about this space uh since before they started their live. Mhm. Okay. Give us one moment, everybody. What's your guess on what the microaggressions were? It was one black woman with a bunch of other black women. What could the microaggressions have been? I honest to God, I can't even
• 15:00 - 15:30 imagine. I have no [ __ ] idea. I can't even guess. Something to do with I I mean, the cheating I should always say something to do with black men. I don't know. Welcome in, Pickles. Wait, we have a link. Hold on. like part one when Z bottom right first joins and comes up defensive. Uhoh, here we go.
• 15:30 - 16:00 Thank you for coming up here. Appreciate it. Oh, bye. The What's sad is that that's the part of this right here. One second. Okay, perfect. It's sad that like what these black people I think Hannah was trying to say. I'm I'm not sure. But what they're trying Am I supposed to know who's talking? Is it the person who's like liveing this or whatever you call it? or what you isn't at the forefront of this. It's apparently to get registered voters now. Stop before you go. Whatever. You don't need another.
• 16:00 - 16:30 It's great. It's great to see that the left is finally coming together. Hey, I wasn't I wasn't done speaking. I apologiz. I want to make sure. No, Z. I want I want to hear from them that this is their campaign. This is their thing. I would love to hear from you, Z, but I was in the middle of speaking and I'm actually going to put myself back on big screen so there's no confusion. Did you hear it? No. What was it? Sorry about that. All right. So, just to clarify, just to clarify once again. Um, want y'all to come up here, speak your peace and everything and all that, right? We'll try to be as respectful and
• 16:30 - 17:00 everything. And I'm really not liking the fact that in the comments suddenly, it's like it's like suddenly you guys forgot why we are having this conversation. Um, it's not the fact that that like this is going to be hosted. It's whether it's going to be a net negative or whether it's going to be quote unquote harmful or more posit Hello. This got damaged. Is Z um a black person? Black
• 17:00 - 17:30 woman. Z is the girl that was speaking. Yeah. Down here on the bottom right. Right. I guess that is the entire point of the conversation. We're not Z is Oh, I don't know if you're trolling Chinese. Wait, is it because she said these black people? There's no way. Right. Saying don't have it. We're not saying don't have a tour. We're not saying that we disagree with the tour. Right. I think that it's great. I think it's going to be funny. I'm pretty sure there's going to be some great things that are going to be talked about, but the conversation is also about how marginalized people
• 17:30 - 18:00 are going to possibly experience like what they're going to experience after the tour or what's actually going to be happening during the tour. You guys are actually listening to us and that is the issue. You guys are actively making you guys are putting you guys are putting words in our mouth. I know that there's I have literally zero audience members that are of this political persuasion that are um listening, I understand that. But just on the off chance that any of this ever winds back up to you, if you ever want to have an ultra progressive, ultra woke thing like this ever, and listen, you know what? If you
• 18:00 - 18:30 want to, God bless. Knock yourself out. You're young. Do whatever you want. But my god, nothing is a bigger turnoff than having you be weirdly and randomly racist towards white people. Um, nothing is a bigger turnoff. Just don't. There's literally just no reason for it. Okay? There's absolutely no reason to do [ __ ] like that ever. These white boys don't ever do [ __ ] It is so [ __ ] cringe. Don't do it. when we've been very clear and particular about what we've been trying to say. But when you but when you
• 18:30 - 19:00 say I wasn't talking I wasn't talking about you [ __ ] holler. Shut up. I wasn't talking about you. I was just saying people in other people in the comments I don't think you said [ __ ] about like me or anything. Sorry. I think it's happening again where when we say these two white boys at the front people's cognitive dissonance goes I don't know what you're saying. Make it seem like we're talking [ __ ] about them. Exactly. They genuinely think that like we Why are you talking? We're not talking to you. Quiet this entire time. I don't
• 19:00 - 19:30 understand why you can't do the same. Okay. And Shane, Shane, technically Z, before you go, Shane has been here first. So, I would love to hear from them. I do not mind waiting. I do not mind waiting cuz I would rather let it marinate. Um, and I would like to say something to speak on things. Wait, so I'm so confused. Okay, that was part
• 19:30 - 20:00 one. I am no longer a part of the unf America tour. What the [ __ ] is this? We the people are I have proof of you defending Z and the burden of proof fell onto a black woman. You're a liar. You went on a tour to help young voters and to pass out flyers for Isaiah, a black man. You also being a black man but don't know what microaggression is. And also, weren't you racially profiled by ICE? Yeah, I didn't know what it was, but I do now. So, everyone knows
• 20:00 - 20:30 everything all the time. Interesting. You understand correct? At the time, I didn't know her microaggression. Thanks for proving that point. Love you. Holy [ __ ] You guys also sound 10 times more racist than when guys, you can't do this. Or I You know what? Ignore it. Do what you want. Don't put this Don't put this parenthesis a black man. No one cares, homie. Okay, if you're going to drop a slur, do it. Otherwise, what the [ __ ] Why? Jesus Christ, it's so
• 20:30 - 21:00 cringe. Backstory on the UNF America tour. Hey guys, what's going on? I'm Chris and I went on the UNF America tour and I'm just here to tell you my side of the story. Now, a lot of the other creators did a good job telling you the whole overarching view, but there's a alternate storyline that I think I need to clear up, right? So, a few people are saying that I'm going around and defending the racism of the organizer that by by the way we've told to step down by the way, but that's not the case, right? There was another live
• 21:00 - 21:30 starting that started before the tour that was critiquing the concepts of the tour and the role of the black creators in the tour. So, so at the time the creator went up there and started what I thought was arguing with the panel and I thought nothing of it at the time. But what I didn't learn until after the tour is that this is what you call a microaggression. And a microaggression is a statement, action, or incident regarded as an instance of indirect, subtle, or
• 21:30 - 22:00 unintentional discrimination against members of a marginalized group such as a racial or ethnic minority. So, I am very thankful that one of my peers de decided to pull me aside and educate me on what Oh, no. I thought he was joking. I thought this was satire. No. Oh, I thought it was I thought he was doing satire. He's serious. Aggressions were And here's a list of microaggressions right here. And this is not all inclusive. There's still a lot that I have to learn. Right. So, as
• 22:00 - 22:30 stated previously with the other creators, we all all all 30 of us had the unanimous uh decision to have this person step down or else we will not be associated with this program anymore. And this just teaches you that we're all going through life and you can never be more educated and you should always speak out against discrimination and microaggressions, especially as you find new ones. Thank you. And you can always reach out to me through through DMs or
• 22:30 - 23:00 on comments. Have a good one. This was the part two. Okay. I'm so sorry. Also, just as a real quick heads up, okay, because the concept in in of a microaggression is actually real important. I think microaggressions are worse than macroaggressions. Okay. Um, when you're talking about a microaggression, what you're really just talking about is there are actions or statements that you can make that are very minor, but you're only making them. You might not even be doing this intentionally, but you're only making them because of the some kind of
• 23:00 - 23:30 characteristic of the other person. And the feeling when things like this are said to the other person just kind of makes them feel like they don't belong in a particular area. Um, in my opinion, microaggressions are generally done without intent. like you don't even realize um like what you're saying or what you're doing. They just it's like a habit or whatever. But it's good to like step back and kind of understand like why some things are hurtful or harmful to people or it can just like make people feel like [ __ ] unless you're trying to in which case you know aggress away.
• 23:30 - 24:00 Um the classic example of this is with like with like an Asian person is you have a friend you're like where are you from? And they're like I'm from California. It's like no where are you really from? like just like comments like that or just like just like random comments that make it seem like somebody doesn't necessarily belong in an area or they're kind of like another person or an outsider. Like things like this just kind of make people feel shitty. Um I think these are really good to understand because you can apply this concept way past uh like racial [ __ ] or whatever too. Um, and it can apply very easily and very cleanly onto stuff like
• 24:00 - 24:30 interpersonal relationships or um or even like stuff at work where you can make like small statements that don't necessarily seem that bad, but they actually like make somebody feel really really really bad or somebody feel like [ __ ] Um, just good to be aware of these things. That's okay. I'm not saying you did. I'm just saying in general not just as soon as I came down on the panel, you already were going crazy at me, but okay. I don't She wasn't saying anything. She was mean. So I'm not crazy. Let's not do that. Wait, hold on.
• 24:30 - 25:00 Wait. I don't like that fee. Let me make this very clear. Uh, no. Julianne came up after I already let you up to be fair. So, second of all, um, the reason why you were getting was Second of all, the reason why you got any energy from any of us, particularly me, cuz I was one of the first to mute you, was because you completely cut off what I was trying to say to to be antagonistic specifically towards like what we are trying to talk about in here. Well, I do think that this live is antagonistic, but anyway, I'm just going to say my piece and I'm gonna drop. So,
• 25:00 - 25:30 but did you just say that this live full of bipac women is aggressive or antagonistic? Can you please check your privilege? Hello. Excuse me. Game over, boys. Wait, wait, hold on. So, you don't want to have a conversation about this at all? See, like I like I actually were all here cuz Lily the question is I'm not sure how how long have you been in here by the way? Yeah. We here for about 10 minutes when you were I came in this is the
• 25:30 - 26:00 person I'm sorry a question. Okay. Is this the person that is behind the tour? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I said that perfect because she's up here. Can we get an answer to question like I don't Go ahead. Yeah. So, so just so there's no confusion, like I said, y'all, I told y'all come on. Let We got to let them speak. No, no, no. Hold on, Ally, cuz your question wasn't answered. No, I'm going back to it. Okay. Yeah, I'm going to go back. I'm going to ask it again really quickly. So, Z, yeah, I'm just curious
• 26:00 - 26:30 why why the tour and um why the setup and exactly was the point just to you know, you know, tell Charlie Kirk you or can you dive a little bit? No, I'm adding more to it. But yeah, that was But I'm talking about is she here to have a conversation or she's just going to spew and then Oh, the second question. That is a good point. Z, I know you said that you wanted to leave soon. Are you here to actually have a conversation and explain or expand a little bit more on this? We can have a short conversation. I just can't stay up here long because I I have to get out. But Okay, gotcha. Yeah. But no, I mean,
• 26:30 - 27:00 I appreciate, you know, push back in any respect. You know, obviously I'm an organizer. I'm used to that. Um, but my the the point I wanted to bring up to start with is that I think that having conversations where we say things like this is so unorganized, which came out of multiple people's mouths, things like that are directly harming the people of color that are behind this tour that are working tirelessly to make this happen. And and I'm just telling you guys that cuz I know that you don't know, okay? But the majority of people, the point I
• 27:00 - 27:30 wanted to bring up to start with is that I think that having conversations where we say things like this is so unorganized, which came out of multiple people's mouths, things like that are directly harming the people of color that are behind this tour that are working tirelessly to make Okay, this is an okay point that I'm going to assume like when you're talking about like unconstructive comments like this, sure, but I don't know why we have to make this like some crazy racial thing like I'm I'm sure the people organizing this are people of color or
• 27:30 - 28:00 whatever like you just say like guys when you make comments like this it makes everybody feel like [ __ ] and all the organizers get super demotivated. That's a fair point. Also it's like generally most people would agree with that. Like it makes people feel like [ __ ] and nobody wants to work on a project when you've got the haters. Okay. Except unironically the haters like ah this sucks. Oh nothing's getting done. Oh it's so disorganized. Right. But okay this tour that are working tirelessly to make this happen and and I'm just telling you guys that cuz I know that you don't know. Okay. But the majority of people behind the majority
• 28:00 - 28:30 of the people behind this tour that are staying up late working on this because this is not easy. You think that getting 50 plus people to another state to do this is easy cuz it's not right. And so we have young people that are putting everything into this that are scared of this administration and then people are saying that they're unorganized. Yeah. So as somebody who's done organizing within her own community that's why I'm saying this. So you're waiting minute one. She has to be able to
• 28:30 - 29:00 respond to one thing at a time. No, she has to be able to respond to one thing at a time. Are you seriously saying right now I want to remind you room of black women in here? Okay. Are you seriously saying that because other people of color are also working on this tour that we cannot critique when things are done in bad faith? That's not what I said. And you and you assuming Julie, you assuming that it's in bad things. [ __ ] is going on? Wait, I don't let people talk over me either. And I see that that's what you do that you try to
• 29:00 - 29:30 bully people and I don't but I'm just telling you that there are people of color that are working behind the scenes that that is harmful to women of color. No, organizing. We have this how we're going to do it. We're going to let Can you respond to what she said, please? Yeah. We're going to let Julianne respond and then we're going to let ice say something and then we're going to go back in that order and let other people speak. So you're So So okay. So are we not able to critique when things are done in bad faith when it's by another person of color? That
• 29:30 - 30:00 they're done in bad faith. I I mean I mean as if they are done in a myopic way, they can lead to significant harm. It can lead to a negative of the overall leftist movement, which I don't believe that. Wait, how is this a net negative? Explain. Right. Right. Right. In terms of a in terms of a leftist movement, I think from bare bones, having two white men as a forefront is always going to be a net negative. No movement has ever as a leftist
• 30:00 - 30:30 movement. Why should the race of the people matter that much? By the way, I would say that the way that that was phrased, [ __ ] me, dude. Okay, you shouldn't be discovering new microaggressions. All right, you should just learn what the concept of a microaggression is. Okay, small authorizing statements that on their own aren't necessarily racist or hateful and they're not intended to be that way, but they make people feel like they don't belong. Learn the concept of a
• 30:30 - 31:00 microaggression so that you don't apply it anywhere. That statement was a microaggression. That statement was very authorizing rather than saying, "Should we really have a leftist movement with two white leaders?" Why not say, "Hey, we should nominate like a third person or somebody else to also be the face of this that's more representative of the group." It's a positive way to phrase it. It makes it so there's another position for somebody to step into a leadership or talent role. Okay? And it doesn't throw under the bus what I imagine are a huge coalition of the people that are helping you with this um whatever the this this tour [ __ ] is,
• 31:00 - 31:30 right? Which I imagine there are a lot of white people involved, but helped by having white people at the front. I'm going to tell you that right now. Do you know the purpose of this? Why are you talking over me? Do you know the what? Do we have Where's number three? That was part two. What? Dude, I can't read any of this [ __ ] Just watched. Okay, this is part
• 31:30 - 32:00 three and this is probably part four and maybe this is part five. Speak because I want to hear from Ice and uh Tabby. Like, come on. I know you said you only had a few minutes up here, Z, but come on. We have to let people like at least, you know, give you push back and speak. You said that you don't mind that. So, no, no, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying, but like it seems like she Oh, sorry. It seems like she already doesn't like No, that's what Z said. No, that's I'm saying that I was responding to what Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah. So, I don't You're you're doing this thing where you're like uh I don't know if it's like some
• 32:00 - 32:30 kind of a tokenization of the uh like black and brown people who may be working around you. Um, but yeah, I don't I don't see if you I don't know if you think that like us critiquing it like dilutes their work. None of us are saying that like this is bad work, right? I think the ability to organize is always going to be an amazing skill to have. I didn't think I would have to explain that. Um, but this is a this can be a huge problem. I think I think a lot
• 32:30 - 33:00 of the issues that a lot of whit people have when they hold to particular progressive standards is that in order to get other white people to listen, they need to have white people at the forefront. But I think the second you capitulate to any form of racism or bias, you have already lost this, right? So despite the fact that people are working really hard to to uh to to get all this up and moving. Um no, I would actually make the argument that it still causes some significant harm. Um so I
• 33:00 - 33:30 don't know I don't know why you have an issue with me cuz I don't know who you are. Um but it seems like you have a particular bias going on here. So I would have liked you to if you do have a bias I would like for you to tell me that. Um but you know I I don't know what to tell you. I don't know why you tokenize the black and brown people that work with you as if that makes other black people unable to critique them. I also want to note as well I wasn't open to critique. That's that's what I'm not understanding the response was that. But
• 33:30 - 34:00 Julie, the reason why was because the first time I ever saw you was you yelling at Hannah. So I assumed that Wait a minute. Do you not know the context for that? Dang it. See you. So she had just come in like 10 minutes ago. So this is what I mean. One second. One second. So this is what I mean. Um I I'm going to I'm going to go ahead and say this. Why don't the boxes light up when people are talking? Holy [ __ ] What what you just described there was like insanely dangerous. Dangerous. Hannah had brought up something
• 34:00 - 34:30 extremely traumatic that had happened to me and tried to derail the entire conversation. And obviously I'm going to be a little bit triggered when people try to weaponize like literal violence, racial violence, misogynist violence, sexist violence being used against me. So I'm sure when a black person is yelling, you just hear yelling. Um but no, what she had said, what she had said, what she had said
• 34:30 - 35:00 was deeply harmful to me. So, the fact that you just see it as me bullying sweet little white Hannah is a problem. That's a problem. I also want to know people can be white. Can we establish Did she pull the meme card out? By the way, also by the way, I was right. Okay. Also, you need to bring back the phrase African-American. Okay. African-American referred specifically
• 35:00 - 35:30 to black people that are the descendants of slaves. They are different than just quoteunquote black people or especially African immigrants. African-American denoted something okay very particular. For some reason we got rid of that designation and like some groups of people have been trying to find these other expressions or phrases to replace that. And remember what I said before, bipac exists because black people are trying to talk about their racial issues while getting rid of like other classes of immigrants that they don't really want to deal with at all, namely Asians. Um, and it's funny because she just said
• 35:30 - 36:00 something here if you heard it. One, do you remember that one um do you remember that one clip? They get so lost in the um in this like vernacular, it ends up happening. Do you believe that you have a different relationship with the social and political systems in society based on who you are? You are a white I'm assuming I'm assuming middle class Asian-American. Did he he must have misspoke, right? White present thing, I should say.
• 36:00 - 36:30 You know what, dude? Mad props for the double down. Call him. True, actually. But um I don't know if you heard it, but she just didn't hear. Somebody's like, "Hannah's actually Arab." And the lady's like, "Uh, you can be a white Arab." Which is technically true, but it's not actually what she meant. She just meant you're not black. And by not black, she means you're not African-American. Is a problem. I also want to people can be white. Can we establish a race, please? I just also want to I want
• 36:30 - 37:00 to note again, right? So, I do think it's really interesting and you're not the only one doing this. I will say the comments are see there's this weird idea that nobody in here has ever done any sort of any kind of organizing or whatever. Why do you think Tabby said what Tabby said what I said what I said. Nobody said that. You did say that. I said nobody has organized anything. That came out of my mouth. You literally did. I don't know if you forgot but it was something I said organiz No. What I said specifically eyes was that organizing people 50 people to go out of state is
• 37:00 - 37:30 not an easy job. Nobody said it was. Nobody said it was what I'm trying to say. Wait, wait, wait. Was that me saying that? Nobody specifically. And that's not Can I please finish She's being disingenuous. You start off by saying you don't. You started off by saying you don't know how hard it is to organize 50 people. That's the way you I also specifically like to
• 37:30 - 38:00 say that I was one of the people I would like to say that I was one of the people who has been specifically saying that this is severely disorganized and that's when you came in I know what you're talking about. Go ahead. Okay, last one. Hold on. Everyone that want to talk like Come on. Dang it, Riot. Why did you drop me? I didn't drop what I didn't I like how we I don't think we've discussed like anything of substance in here as well.
• 38:00 - 38:30 Like nothing has actually gotten discussed. It's just like a bunch of people being insanely [ __ ] soy over whether or not I guess a black queen got cut off or something. I'm not even actually sure. Oh, I thought you said it was you said racism. Wait, was what she said not face off racism that I Yeah, it was. She She's She's racist. Oh my god. Why did I just get blamed for this? I'm sorry. Somebody said it was me. Was it you, M? No, I said that. Can I I just want to I just want to I just want to say something real. Oh, please. Go
• 38:30 - 39:00 ahead, T. Wait, actually, actually, wait, hold on. This is what we're going to do. I kind of want to I kind of really want to gain control of my own panel and let me y'all please let me speak. I need to hear I want to hear from Z. Right. We We said a lot towards Z. I want to hear from Tabby. Tabby hasn't been able to speak for 10 minutes. We have to have some type of order. And that's the reason why I had I had the show thingy on. So I'mma let I'm actually gonna go ahead and let Tabby speak and then as soon as Taby's done,
• 39:00 - 39:30 I'm gonna put you on the top and give you two minutes to explain everything. Are you That's not fair. Z was in the middle of speaking when she was dropped. Oh, okay. So y'all want Z to go first and then Tabby. I got you. I got you. I got you. One second. Z can go first and then Tabby and then we'll go back to Let her finish. You can't say you can't She's got to finish and then put people before her when she was in the middle of speaking. You know what? You're right. You're right. You have I was just going to explain what the tour stop is for. So the tour I'm actually going to put you first. One second. I need I need y'all. I want to make I'm not cuz I I refuse to
• 39:30 - 40:00 do the over speaking thing again. That was really frustrating even for me. Trying to do this without being microaggressive. Thank you. Yeah. Well, 100%. And can we can you open the top of your lung and then Okay. I'm sorry. I can scream. Do you guys want to hear the about the tour or are we just like I would like for you to answer. It's okay. Z, you got a minute. So sorry if you want a little bit longer. No, no, it's fine. A minute's
• 40:00 - 40:30 great. So I mean the the whole the whole purpose of following Charlie on this specific tour is because Charlie's been doing this for 15 years with zero push back from the Democratic party. He goes to these college campuses. He goes into these frats. infiltrates them through Turning Point USA. And that's why we've seen a massive increase in Gen Z, specifically young white male Gen Z voters. That is one of the areas that our organization so that way we don't continue to lose voters through the process. So, we figured who would be the
• 40:30 - 41:00 best people to speak to those voters and we picked Parker and Dean for that specific reason because if we're trying to go after white young boy voters, we should go after them with young white boys, right? That makes sense. We will not, this is not going to be the only thing that we do. We are going to continue to go to other places and go for other communities and try to get people registered to vote. That is the purpose of this. We can't do voter registration on this very first stop because we don't have the infra Oh, okay. Sorry. I'm gonna let you go,
• 41:00 - 41:30 Tabby. Then we'll go back to what she went to finishing. I wanted to have a one-on-one with her. Really? That's why I I'm okay with letting her finish, but I wanted to have a dialogue. She got disconnected, right? Like by accident. Not Let me Let me take you this off real quick then if that's the case. They muted her. No, shut up. She must have got disconnected, right? Um, let her finish her sentence as well when I take it take this off and then I want Yeah. No, I'm fine with that. Okay. That was her minute. All right. Uh, Z, if you wanted to finish your sentence or finish what you were about to say. Okay, go ahead.
• 41:30 - 42:00 Yeah, that was I was just saying that that's the purpose of National Ground Game and this tour is to register voters to vote, okay? Because we're going to defeat MAGA. That's all I was here to say. I'm going to now exit. I appreciate the feedback. If you guys want to give us some more feedback, please do. As I said, we will be going to other community. I actually appreciate that feedback. I just I just want to say something and and she did. Damn. I thought Erica was going to come up here before Isaac. Maybe maybe something happened there. I didn't see
• 42:00 - 42:30 her. I definitely want to hear from Erica because I like her. I had some in the comments sitting here saying about who me. I have some questions. Oh, no. I see Dina. Dean wants to come if he can as well, but I'm not. Like I said, I really just I want to hear from people. If you guys want to speak on it, it's perfectly fine. But I have some question. Um, hello Jimbo. Do you support Trump? All right. Apparently, we have Dean versus one of the people here. One sec. I don't know if you heard me there, but um essentially I I think that you've
• 42:30 - 43:00 done a lot of really good things. Um why didn't you talk about any of those when you were on live earlier though? Paying what? Uh when you were on live earlier. Why why not bring that up when you're on live earlier? Like referencing like this live, but when it started or like talk about what specifically? Uh all you had to say was negative things about and how you guys were heroes for speaking up about this. So apparently this guy is this a black guy called Payton who is the one trying to say that this whole project should be shut down based on
• 43:00 - 43:30 those microaggressions. I think okay I think now but I'm just super curious why that why that didn't come up. Oh Destiny viewer spotted. I am super curious. Uhoh. That I was I was super cool for speaking out about this. P I mean I I think that if if you would like listen to me since I begun the live. I mean, I started this. I did, actually. I've been watching the entire time. Ooh. Okay. Well, then I mean, you know that I haven't been having uh conversations about how I'm a hero. Um, actually, you
• 43:30 - 44:00 have multiple times, but that's okay. Um, I have a question for you. Hey, and before we move on, would you be able to like quote like specific instances just so I could better understand what like uh debate broing a bipok, by the way? That's a microaggression. You want me Do you want me to quote specific? Oh, wait. No. Pay is apparently a white guy. Okay. Just correcting the record. Instances of you acting like you. No, no, no. Like me claiming to be a hero because I was every time where you were like, "Guys, I don't know if you know this. I have a
• 44:00 - 44:30 massive platform." And when you're this cool and have a massive platform, you should be the one speaking up about these things actually. So, so I know that if I would have spoken up, I would have had this [ __ ] shut down like like that. But I didn't obviously because I wanted money from the campus and all the views that I would get from Charlie Kirk. But um I have a question for you real quick. I want to respond to that. I I think that like maybe you misinterpreted my point and I don't mind reiterating it. So I started this live off by saying that I think that essentially everybody needs to take accountability for their Meanwhile,
• 44:30 - 45:00 Destiny, what is this? It's disingenuous, especially to black women who have to live in those neighborhoods and black children. Uh thank you as a black woman for showing up to show that retardation can transcend both gender and race, their actions, but like see I was being inclusive. You see how I said everybody can be [ __ ] regardless of your gender or race? That was the opposite of microaggression. Especially people with like uh like more societal influence or power. Uh and like
• 45:00 - 45:30 I I recognize like myself as an individual with like influence because of the platforms that I run. uh which I think sets like uh an extra an like a very important precedent on on myself and other larger creators to like really be uh to really be critical about themselves and their own actions and be accepting of accountability. Um I wasn't like trying to like say that I'm a hero. I was more so just trying to like reiterate the sentiment that I feel as if uh like constructive criticism and conversations about accountability are very important. Fantastic. What I think
• 45:30 - 46:00 that's a beautiful sentiment, right? But that's a completely different sentiment than like the sentiment that you were describing of saying that like I wanted to be a hero. Oh, that's the vibe that I got earlier and that what we were all laughing in the room about. But um clarification your vibe changed. Oh, another super curious after the clarification. Yeah. Yeah, a little bit. I think I think I think it's better to get that message out there than anything else. Yeah. Okay. Sweet. Yeah. Um, basically I'm curious who was made on why why was I
• 46:00 - 46:30 kicked off the tour? I'm I'm I'm genuinely asking what you were told as to why I was kicked off the tour. Um, so I wasn't like told anything about specifically why you were kicked off the tour. In fact, I think I was told that you left the tour. Um, but like I guess I'd more so be a question for the organizers, but I don't know if they'll be organizers for too much longer. I actually have a question about that too. So Parker made it clear in his Discord that she was just going to be stepping away from social media, right? And I'm
• 46:30 - 47:00 curious as the organizer, right? So like National Ground Game, that's her, right? Unfuck America, that's her, right? What what what moving forward, I guess, if you guys were going to move the Unfuck America tour forward, right? Mhm. What steps would you guys take to better ensure this doesn't happen in the future? Okay. Well, I I mean, first I want to correct you. It's not just merely her stepping away from social media. The hope is that she'll completely step away from the pack. Literally leave it. She's never leave the pack and and do what
• 47:00 - 47:30 exactly? Uh and and figure out how to continue uh the unfucking Wait, so okay. Am I missing something for anybody that knows? Do they really want her to So was she like the lead organizer or she was just a big organizer? They wanted to leave this entire project because she came in and told people not to call it a cluster [ __ ] or say it was super disorganized. That was enough of a microaggression that they want her completely gone. How much work did this individual do to organize all this stuff?
• 47:30 - 48:00 Jesus. Feels kind of brutal, but okay. A tour without national ground. Again, I'm just curious why it didn't happen sooner. I guess I I guess it just seems like the timing is a little bit weird given that my video is about to hit a million the day before you post this. You know what I mean? Like like it just seems really weird especially because we did have a dialogue privately and I will say I'm not going to share those. Obviously I said I wouldn't share those. Okay. Um yeah. So I mean I've already
• 48:00 - 48:30 kind of talked about like why nothing happened before I went to Texas and I've uh pointed out that that was obviously very wrong. Um, however, like when I got back from Texas in Colorado, I mean, like essentially from that moment until right now, uh, it has been working with other creators on the tour, having conversations uh, with said creators and figuring out how to navigate uh, the fact that this is a literal political organization uh, with structure uh, leadership and $100,000 uh, that they
• 48:30 - 49:00 have raised off of the engagement uh, that wants to continue the engagement And what has what like took a handful of days to get from where we were to where we are now was literally like unionizing the creators uh to give leverage for demands against the pack of like specifically either uh having Z resign or um making like a promise in so far as where that $100,000 will be spent. Uh, I'd say like that was like the biggest
• 49:00 - 49:30 like physical limiter in so far as uh why nothing happened earlier was trying to navigate and deal with the fact that they had $100,000 like sitting in their bank account and that we just wanted to make sure that that $100,000 uh is like spent on uh like you know pushing more progressivism in the country. Um, and now like I will also say that I should have set more of a precedent on ensuring that things move faster because I I think that for a lot of the time uh I've
• 49:30 - 50:00 been I' I've spent in like the last four or five days uh focused on this, it has been really clouded by anxiety and this idea someone said she is the main organizer, the owner of the pack like like what the [ __ ] do I do? how am I going to achieve my goals of ensuring that either um this organizer holds herself accountable and like we see like a genuine sense of her recognizing that what she did was wrong and she's not going to do it again and she's going to
• 50:00 - 50:30 actively consciously work on deconstruction or she's going to be out um and it took us a while to kind of get to where we are now but I think it could have moved uh more efficiently. I agree. Could I ask a question? Do you think it would have been moving more efficiently if you weren't deleting comments referring to my video and people referring to Z racist in general and those things? Like, do you think it would have moved maybe a little bit faster if we were public publicly talking about this? [ __ ] sorry, not deleted a single comment on any of my posts. That is a lie. Well, I mean,
• 50:30 - 51:00 actually, let me rephrase that cuz I think a lie would inquire intent. I don't know if you're intentionally lying, but that is misinformation. It's not true. I have proof if you would like to see it. I would love to see it because I haven't deleted a single comment off of any of my videos. Okay. Uhoh, here it comes. Uh-oh. Can you proof? Yeah, it'll come up in the video. Don't worry. Can you show it on live? Why would I do that? Because there's 9,000 people listening into our conversation and you just made
• 51:00 - 51:30 a You just want to own it for YouTube. Leading comments on my videos. Damn. Well, because you have, but like I again, I'll show it on my video. It's not a big deal. Um, I have a question. Why won't you show it now? If you're going to put it on in a video on your account, I mean, it's obviously you have the intention of going public with it, so why not go public with it now? Because it's not the time for it. Okay. Do you mind if I ask you like, "Oh my god, who I've gotten these things from?" You're showing the proof. Well, one second, pay, without you like showing the proof yourself, would you be able to like describe what the proof looks like? Nah. Uh it looks like a comment that was
• 51:30 - 52:00 on your profile that was on that was on your video that was then not there and what is and like what is the mechanism of demonstrating uh that it was posted on the video it was on the video and then it disappeared from the video like screenshots got them like okay so and multiple people saying that you were deleting their comments like what do you mean so I I mean I've like seen comments of people claiming that I've deleted their comments I I mean I think that there's a couple likelihoods here because I know with certainty I didn't delete anybody's comments. Uh, A,
• 52:00 - 52:30 sometimes Tik Tok will restrict comments. I mean, you're a large creator. What pops up at the bottom of the comment section? It says C filtered comments. B, oh, the OP could have deleted it. Squirm away from C. Uh, their comments were just simply lost inside of the comment section. Uh, I I mean, I know like for instance, uh, when Charlie Kirk had released a video, I commented under it and I said, "Dude, this makes you look so bad." Obviously, that comment is seemingly not filtered by Tik Tok because I didn't say anything explosively wrong, but then I then went
• 52:30 - 53:00 back to the comment section and I thought it was gone. Turns out it was just deeper in the comment section. But I do know at the end of the day, like I I seriously haven't deleted any comments on any of my videos. And I have also seen people in my Discord attest to this. Um like for instance, he's basically accusing somebody in my Discord um that is, you know, uh been echoing criticisms of myself for quite some time. Uh, and uh, of course, like that's what we're here to discuss. I agree with that. I think it's a good thing. But, uh, they did say in the comment section that their comments have
• 53:00 - 53:30 never been deleted as well as like the comments of others. But listen, at the end of the day, I know with certainty that I haven't deleted anybody's comments because I'm me. And I really don't think that like there's any proof of me doing that either because it's not something I've done. Okay. I I I really wish if you I'm belie I'm I'm I'm choosing I'm choosing to believe you. Wait, why would you choose to believe me? You said you had proof. I do have proof, but you're saying that TikTok could have moderated it. You're right. There was a million different reasons as to why the comments couldn't have showed up. I'm concerned. Did you just learn that? Is that not what you
• 53:30 - 54:00 wanted? No, that's awesome. I I appreciate you for that. Um, go ahead. I'm not an actual dick. Like, I'm here to talk, too. Really? Do you mind if I ask you a question, Payton? Please. Doesn't sound like it. There's like like I guess so there was there was one reservation I had with you. Um, and like by the way, I just want to reiterate this sent in that two things can be true at once. And I think that you've done a lot of good. Okay. I I want to make that one I want to make that one clear. I I believe that nuance is important. And just because you've done one thing that I don't like doesn't mean everything you've done is something I wouldn't
• 54:00 - 54:30 like. In fact, there's things that you've done that I'm highly appreciative of. But one thing that you've done that I don't like uh that you know hold up part two maybe you could address is a fact that after you'd posted a video claiming that there was black women that went on the trip that did not have their travel covered. I then DM'd you and in private I asked you to please tell me what the
• 54:30 - 55:00 names of the black women were so I could take care of it myself. Um, you then like refused to tell me the names of them and then like started making fun of me talking about like coach harass them and I didn't really respond to you making fun of me and then I just asked you again uh if you could like please tell me the names of the black creators so I could take care of it myself and then you refused to and I was just wondering why you'd refuse to because there was a case that I like genuinely because it's not my place to release their names and
• 55:00 - 55:30 bro what this This is crazy. Also, this Payeyton guy, by the way, I have several black friends. He's called them the n-word. Uh, and other racial slurs, but it's not my place to speak for them, so I'm not going to say who it was. But you guys acting as if I did is crazy. People talking about me bringing up people, people who were affected by this trip, people who should have been paid, who you admitted should have been paid. Acting as if it wasn't a big deal, is insane. True. Acting like what isn't a big deal? Are you serious?
• 55:30 - 56:00 There were people on the live who were talking about the fact that they they they paid their own way, but it but they were going to get reimbursed. They were going to XYZ. Hey, and hey, I DM'd you in private because I thought it was a big enough deal for me to privately DM you, ask you not to share my DM with anybody so I could personally turn around and reimburse them. And you said that it wasn't like you didn't have the right to give me their names. Absolutely not. Well, I I mean like but you know their name. You don't have the right to give him the names of somebody that worked on their own project who said they didn't get paid by them. Like what?
• 56:00 - 56:30 Exactly. I think I think this is I think this is my reservation because like the purpose um that I'd expect out of like a good faith actor posting the videos in which you have would be like to hopefully like achieve accountability to to try because it's accountability from the organization not from one person trying to Would you please allow me a moment to finish without interrupting me? Okay. Um to achieve accountability and like to try to do your part in writing the wrongs. And I mean like when I DM'd you uh asking you like specifically what their names were so I
• 56:30 - 57:00 could personally reimburse them. Um like when you like refused to tell me who they were and you just kind of made fun of me. It kind of felt like and and in that circumstance like you didn't really care if they were reimbursed or not for absolutely the travel they had to go out of pocket for. Justice needs to be served from the people who were the ones committing the crimes, not somebody who wants to make themselves feel better. Oh, what do you mean make myself feel better? It was a private conversation. It was a private conversation where you
• 57:00 - 57:30 could feel like a hero for getting the names and reimbursing these people who should have been paid in the first place. Are you serious, Payton? Wait, so you're saying that I did something wrong and self-centered and narcissistic by DMing you, asking you keep our conversation private so I could try to personally reimburse them. And your explanation is is because I did that all the Yes. Because why do you want to keep their stories private, bud? Bro, are you Wait, no. I I didn't want to keep their stories private. I wanted to keep the fact that I reimbured them private. At that point in time, you hadn't said a single thing publicly about any of this. How could I How could I have trusted you
• 57:30 - 58:00 when there were people on the tour lying about me? You don't have to trust him, [ __ ] You literally are giving him the names of these people. You literally already have the information. What is this guy talking about? What? With no repercussions. Trusted me to do what? To not just be trying to pay these people off. How could he do that? You have all the info. Again, I don't know you. You don't know me. If you can like some things about you, what do you mean pay them off? Payton, reimbursing them is a good thing. Could
• 58:00 - 58:30 be considered a payoff if they are to keep quiet afterwards because they've had everything taken care of. So now everything's swept under the rug. Everything is good. We can move on. Are you joking, Payton? Yo, dude, this is Are you serious? Wait, so I want to get this clear. You're literally saying that you didn't want them to be reimbured. Uh they would continue to feel the impact of uh not being paid for when the white creators were. So they'd continue to talk about it. Oh, the That's insane,
• 58:30 - 59:00 bro. I'm sorry. That's [ __ ] nuts, Payeyton. That is nuts. You're like, you you you want to perpetuate a continual disadvantage of the black creators compared to the white creators so like you could continue to talk about that disadvantage. Payton, are you serious? I'm I'm sorry, dude. I'm sorry. Payton, he's not sorry, by the way. Spoiler alert. Feel free to me. Can I talk now? Spoiler alert. He's not sorry. Yeah. So, that's not true. Obviously, uh again, I didn't know any of your intentions. I
• 59:00 - 59:30 knew you had had private conversations and I knew you had lied about not knowing about that live. So, yes, I [ __ ] with you a little bit. And yes, obviously I wasn't going to give up the names of these people because I didn't know your intentions at the time and I didn't know personally who I could trust on this tour because people were lying about me. So yes, I'm not going to divulge their names, but getting their story out there so that they can tell their story eventually to get reimbursed by the people who [ __ ] them over didn't say it was you. Right. Right. Is
• 59:30 - 60:00 important. Okay. And would you feel like now that I've made my intentions clear um like verbalizing their names in a private DM to me so I could still try to take care of it? No. Yeah, probably. Yeah. Oh, okay. If it was okay with them, like I'm I'll ask them. But thank you. Respect. Okay. Black people. At the time, you had said nothing out loud about any of this. So you tell me now anyone. So you tell me now. Okay. All right. Um Okay. Then something else you
• 60:00 - 60:30 said there. You said that I lied about not knowing about like what was said in the fact that Z had made racist remarks on the live. Uh yeah, I have the signal group chat screenshotted. Why are they using signal? You were at least made aware of what was going on. Hey, if you read my I read I read the message. Hey, will you please show me a screenshot of my of my chats in the signal chat from that? Yes, it was you saying that you were at your grandparents. What's going on with Z on this live?
• 60:30 - 61:00 I in the middle of them explaining what was going on with Z in this live. So I commented two times in the Signal group chat ex like specifically saying that I was not there. I was at a dinner with my grandparents. Tell Z to get off this live. Um I was making you said what's going on with Z on this live by the way. But um yeah, I'm not going to lie. I put my phone in my pocket and ate my food. Okay, fantastic. That's great. and then forgot about what was going on and then tried to push it aside and then go to Texas A&M and party with Z after the after Texas A&M and then act like you
• 61:00 - 61:30 weren't okay with all of this like you know what I mean? Yeah. So I mean I do you want me to kind of reiterate some of the sentiments that I've shared so far in this life as it relates to the fact that I still did go to Texas A&M the idea that I think that was uh under Yes. I think you did not care about this etc. I think you did not care about this until these videos started to take off and their voices started to get out there because you have a personal vendetta against one of them which is fine but at the end of the day Wait I'm so sorry the dude. Okay, so you just
• 61:30 - 62:00 said I didn't care about this because I had a personal vendetta against one. No, not just that but I did say you did have one and you do have one with one of them. Yeah. Are who are you referencing? You know who I'm referencing? Who is he referencing? Sorry. because you have a personal vendetta against one of them, which is fine. But at the end of the day, wait, I'm so sorry, the dude. Okay, so you just said I didn't care about this because I had a personal vendetta against one. No, not just that, but I did say you did have one. And you do have one with one of them. Yeah. Are who are you referencing? You know who I'm referencing, Dean? Like, can we [ __ ]
• 62:00 - 62:30 not, Dude? I I mean, I don't know if the 10,000 people listening do. Yeah, but you do. You know what I mean? I'm not going to send her. We have an audience at 10. Okay, so sure. We don't want to send them an audience eight. That's actually fair. That's a good idea because what I'm about to say, that's fine. So, uh you're referencing um one of uh the women that was involved. Okay. And you're saying that I have a personal vendetta against them. I I feel like that's a very unfair way to describe reality. I said I said that's one of the reasons you would just focus in on a
• 62:30 - 63:00 single reason. Will you allow me to I gave multiple reasons, dude? and I and I will happily address them, but I just want to converation about this one specifically because you're saying that I have an unfair uh like a personal vendetta against one of the women. So, I mean it is the case that one of the women has called for my public execution before. Um after what, Dean? After what? Like Dean deserved that. What did Dean say or do? Hold on. I need that on my sound. I
• 63:00 - 63:30 one day we'll have the soundboard again. He said they called for my public execution before has called for my public execution before. Um after what Dean? Okay. Did he make a tweet not unequivocally condemning the genocide in Gaza?
• 63:30 - 64:00 Um, that would be one, two, say the the phrase black people. Three, in some minor conflict not side with the person who was of the higher minority status, or four, for being white.
• 64:00 - 64:30 a after um a friendship that ended. Okay. Okay. Being white four. It was D. I guess I don't know. What do you Are you recording? What do you mean after what? No, no, no, no. Pan, what do you mean after what? Dean. Dean. What the f? What do you mean? After what? Oh, was the hair the
• 64:30 - 65:00 hairy stuff? Was that it? Dean. Dude, like come on, Dean. Dean, are you serious right now? I think Dean is serious. You've got to be with me, right? Like, bro, Payton, with all due respect, you're the one that just said after what when I said that somebody had personally called for my death. I guess I'm going to ignore that if you want. It's not my story to tell, Dee. And you know what the [ __ ] happened, man? Oh, why did they give me quite frankly, I have no clue what you mean by saying after what, but
• 65:00 - 65:30 here's what I was going to say to begin with. I don't think it's okay to equivocate the fact that yes, like one of those women had said some very like hurtful and harmful things about me in the past. Um, and like that has def that definitely uh does mean uh that I do not like that individual. Uh, however, I don't think just because you know that woman is black, right? You think you can just not like somebody who's black or
• 65:30 - 66:00 I do not like an individual that therefore uh microaggressions being perpetuated against them are like justified, valid, or therefore okay. Then again, why not speak out about it? So, I mean, why allow people why allow people to keep silencing these black women until you felt it was appropriate to speak up about it? True. Whether it be for your fans who you could have easily reimbured for their plane tickets, whether it be for the the pack or the group,
• 66:00 - 66:30 why like why why would And you did say you did say like that you've been listening since the moment I kind of came on this live stream. Uh and I've kind of like I've repeated this a couple times now. And I don't mind going it over again with you, man. Especially because that means that there's a lot there's also a lot of new people that are tuning in. Um, so the reason why I didn't speak up uh about it loudly uh before I left for Texas um was because it's because your fans paid for plane tickets and you felt like you'd be letting them down and I understand like
• 66:30 - 67:00 you make like $700. Hey, and do you mind if you let me finish for myself without $700 alive? I feel like you could I'm going to interrupt you $700 interrupted me while I was speaking. Um, so anyways, to finish what I was saying, um, yeah, it's because I didn't want to let fans down that either had plane tickets or were driving into the event. Uh, but like in retrospect, like that is me describing why I did what I did. That isn't me justifying it. Uh, and I and I just like want to continually repeat
• 67:00 - 67:30 this. Um, I had a conversation with another creator earlier today and they kind of made me really recognize why that was how problematic this is. Um, what I should have done is I should have broke I should have broken the status quo, right? I I I should have been able to say, uh, like, "No, that was wrong. Cutthroat. She either needs to hold herself accountable before I hop on my plane or she needs to, uh, leave the position of being the organizer of the pack before I hop on the plane or I'm not hopping on the plane." Right? That's what I should have done. Okay? That is
• 67:30 - 68:00 what a uh, mature uh, mindful person uh, should have done. And I didn't do that and I [ __ ] up. He's trying to be the hero. Listen, I don't care that we just got done having a conversation or I thought you said some crazy [ __ ] Uh I will still tell you that you're right on this point specifically. Okay. Um and you are you are right. Um I should have done that and I did not do that. And uh I I think at the time I was more so
• 68:00 - 68:30 thinking like, okay, like she's inevitably going to hold herself accountable, right? Like or okay, like this is uh I'm just one of the creators there. I'm going to talk to Charlie Kirk and have this progressive movement on campus. Like, okay. Like, I'm gonna talk to her and I'm going to convince her and now I was also minimizing. I don't think that was that was uh justifying explaining his emotions. The correct the
• 68:30 - 69:00 I actually in fact I know that was a bad response of bad just it just bad. That's it. Minimizing. So, we have justifying minimizing. And now let's get to the It's not that I think. It's that I know that was a bad response. Wait, don't worry. There's another one. Next one. Now gaslighting. You're a cherub of a human being, dude. What's that? Nothing. Um Well, I'm so sorry. If you're If you're going to say something, say it with your chest. What did you say? I said you were a cherub of a human
• 69:00 - 69:30 being. That was a gaslight. That word mean? I I'm sorry. I don't He doesn't know what a cherub is. Isn't that what Isn't that what God set on fire in front of Moses? I have no idea actually what it means. That's like a That's like a That's like a nice little doll or like a nice Oh, is it a doll? Oh, what am I thinking of? Is there a cherub bush? Cherb is an angel. Well, person. Okay. Well, I mean, I'm like going to assume that like you don't actually mean
• 69:30 - 70:00 that. Um I did actually. Wait, how did so many people say I'm wrong and right at the same time? It's the lowest rank of angel. I am so confused right now. Okay, baby angel guy. I think you're half right. I think you realized what you did was wrong. I think you saw that a lot of people agreed that what was going on was
• 70:00 - 70:30 wrong. I think you were okay with them silencing these black women's voices until it fit your ability to be the cool guy again and be like, I shut down this tour. I just think I think it's a little gross, man. True. That's why I met you with hostility last night. And to be fair for everyone here, okay, I did not know for a fact whether or not you I swear to God I swear to God, I know you're not going to believe me. I I know you're not believe me, but I'm I'm just I'm just trying to be honest. I'm just really trying to be honest. Um, no, no.
• 70:30 - 71:00 I I I I think that that is wrong and I don't think it should happen. Uh, and is anybody buying this [ __ ] that Dean isn't intentionally trying to silence black women's voices? I never think that you should be okay with those actions occurring. Uh, and I think that my initial reaction was completely [ __ ] halfassed by uh and and I stand by that position uh regardless of uh of the amount of eyes that were on it or how it impacted me.
• 71:00 - 71:30 In fact, um you know, like I hope that like you believe this too because I personally reached out to you and I asked you to keep a conversation private when I was trying to like remedy and I kept it private. I don't know why you keep saying I asked you to keep a convers I kept it private. Yeah, Dean. And and when I was trying to hopefully remedy um some of the unjust things that had occurred based upon um your claim that some of the black women on the trip weren't paid. Um but listen, at the same time, at the same time, I I know what
• 71:30 - 72:00 you're saying. Um because when you're saying like, "Oh, I was just I was okay with it until it personally started impacting me because the videos you made got attention." Well, I feel like I've seen that a billion times where somebody does something wrong and they [ __ ] up and and then the only reason they they speak out about the fact that they they think they did something wrong um was because uh they got called out for it on the internet and it was going to start affecting their livelihood. And I guess that there's no way I could prove to you that that's not what I'm doing. Yes, you
• 72:00 - 72:30 can. Actually, I have a I have a perfect way. Yeah, you got a perfect way. It involves time travel, though, because it's something you should have already done. Okay. The money that you've made from this tour and the videos on this tour, give it to those creators. Damn. Wait, what? They got what? What did they get? Um, sniffed a $300 plane ticket and now he wants them to get what? Thousands of dollars in reimbursement. Holy [ __ ] Wait, how much money would that be? Who were affected by Z or any creators
• 72:30 - 73:00 on on the on the tour as well that need to be reimbured? How much is Dean gonna cuck out to this? Oh boy. So overall, um, to this point in time, I have, uh, net loss income over the tour. Imagine if you just wrote them all bills, like invoiced them. Okay, I did it. Um, but I I I'm like still okay with having that conversation. I I just want to make it incredibly clear that I've uh net loss income over the tour. Um, but
• 73:00 - 73:30 I'm not ask I'm not forcing him to do this. I'm just saying that's that's that's something that we're doing if you want a good human. We could uh have a follow-up conversation about that because I mean I still don't mind having that conversation. I I think that that's a good thing to do. I think that's a great idea. Um if you if you want to talk further about that, that's something we could do. Fantastic. I have a couple more ideas that I think that I think you could be doing better with your platform. Oh, cool. Go ahead. What do you got, dude? Yeah. Okay. Um I I am
• 73:30 - 74:00 in terms of platforming voices. I do see that there's somebody else on the tour uh Simple Black Theory that has been requesting to come up on the live and specifically talk to you. Is it okay if I bring them up? Payton, I can't talk to Ahaji in public yet. I have to talk to him personally. Why? What? [ __ ] What is that? Johnny Quest. Okay. So, you'd prefer to talk to him personally? You can bring him up, though. Okay. It it's it's it's up to you. I've settled I've settled. I I have to go anyway. Okay. Oh, hit him up with the got to go. He's been requesting to
• 74:00 - 74:30 come up. I just want to make sure that it's okay with you because you did of course come up here for a one-on-one conversation. I just want to ensure that that is okay with you if I add him. I don't want to wait. If he's come if Yeah. Yes. I want you I want you to add him, but I have to go cuz I have to talk to him personally. Okay. Okay. Well, I mean, if if you have to go, then it may be better um just to like not um Adam because like like I'm just going to be obvious like obviously what's going to happen is like a conversation is going to begin between you um and Simple Black Theory and it'll likely like keep you on the live longer
• 74:30 - 75:00 than your I will not be speaking with Ohi. I'm sorry. Oh, no. There's a lot more stuff that that that we Is he is his name Ahaji or is he like a [ __ ] Like [ __ ] is like an adjective or something. What is or a noun? What is a [ __ ] Ohhaji, is that his name? It sounds like a bass slur that I've just never heard before. Still got to talk about like like interpersonally that I can't I can't.
• 75:00 - 75:30 But I'm happy I'm happy to listen. I'm happy to stay here and listen. That that that's fair. Here's what I want to say. There was at least 10 plus black creators that came on that tour that were actually there in Texas&M. Okay. And I can sit here and say that I promise that you didn't talk to all 10 if not half of those creators. I didn't talk to I didn't I talked to three creators. Yes. Three out of 10 out of
• 75:30 - 76:00 10. And one of which was me. And I told you three out of 10 black creators. You know what that kind of sounds like? Sounds like three out of five, which sounds like the three-fifths compromise, which sounds like this guy's a [ __ ] racist. Just saying. You should have spoken to all of them. I even took the time to explain to you that the situation I had is a lot deeper. And in that message, you told me that the people that you were protecting, you didn't even know. Ooh. So to sit here
• 76:00 - 76:30 and protect and to hear all these things, I feel like it's totally unfair. and and and and and when we have this discussion, you're going to get a real mouthful because what you did was so unfair. You not only did you did you put a an idea amongst me, but other black creators, there's black creators that were on this trip that now has to protect their ideas because they were seen as a as they didn't they didn't want to protect themselves that they
• 76:30 - 77:00 didn't seem less than. We were called DEI hires because of your video. And I feel like that was so unfair because you took the time to talk about the black creators there but didn't take the time to talk to all of us. True. May I respond? Yeah. I don't think it's fair at all to put on me. We need, you know, fix all this [ __ ] We need to put all the black people on one tour and we need
• 77:00 - 77:30 to put all the white people on another tour and it'll just fix all the problems. Okay. In a video where I am simply calling out the behavior of one individual on the tour where I multiple times say I have an issue with a singular individual. This does not reflect the Unfuck America tour. I have an issue with one person who did this thing last night that was horrible. And I had no at the end of that video. I then said, "My my opinions are my opinions
• 77:30 - 78:00 alone. Any creators, he didn't he didn't listen to him. He hit him up with the these opinions don't represent everybody. He he had the claws in there. He's safe. He's safe. Safe. Safe that are going on this tour. I I I have nothing to do with them. I'm friends with a lot of them. I hope they have a great time. I'm going to be like like literally like like Yes. But look, I I didn't disagree with that video. You can't I even said, "Listen, I I didn't say I didn't think you said anything
• 78:00 - 78:30 crazy in that video." And then you made that second video and I wasn't even notified. That second video is what the real problem that I have was that second video. That second video put the understanding as if these black creators was treated as such. Well, you did not know in the background that these black creators was working on stuff, was actually trying to remedy certain stuff, but it couldn't be remedied because we have someone out here trying to expose stuff without Oh my god. He So, they
• 78:30 - 79:00 were their stories to tell. And this white boy, Payton, stepped up and told them, "Ooh, Pton wasn't ready to fight with is this Parker or Dean?" Dean's black guy. Now Dean's black. Do you think if Payton pulled a black guy into this, this would be [ __ ] cinema? Please God, say Payton has his own black guy that he's going to pull in. Please God. Having the full things. If I asked you, who are the who who are the three people that you were talking to? Are you able to give me those three creators? No. Yes. Who are you? Who? You won't say
• 79:00 - 79:30 it publicly, bro. Personally. Okay, that's fair. That That's fair. Apparently, right now, Z is trying to find who else was giving me information, and I can't. Z the lyncher. She's going to go after these black creators. It'll be all over for them if she finds them. That Z person is some up to some real [ __ ] Careful. And I just can't give that up here. That's fair. I I just felt like honestly I honestly felt like what you did was
• 79:30 - 80:00 exactly what you're adamant about and it's the white savior complex. Honestly, I Oh, I'm sorry. I got to set I'm going to I'll set this up. I'm sorry. I'll set my soundboard up. My bad, guys. I I needed that would have been the vine boom right there. Okay. [ __ ] I'm sorry. I got to set up right now. Okay. [ __ ] He came up with the white savior complex. wanted to talk to you in a deeper understanding of this was because I even came here and sat there that the people in that panel had every right to say the things that they wanted to say and Ze was wrong. But at the same time,
• 80:00 - 80:30 the people that were that that were in that panel had some malicious malicious intent. They said some things that were wrong. They they inflated some things that were unfair and made us feel like garbage. Absolutely. And again, I am not talking about those I I I I need to reiterate this for everyone here. Mhm. I I am not here defending anything those black women said on that live. But you're protecting them. I'm not protecting them. That's what she said.
• 80:30 - 81:00 Okay. Standing up against racism, ohi, is not the same thing as protecting a bad person. She was being racist towards them. And I called out this person I was professionally linked to for doing that. That is it. And yes, I found out that they were treating black creators differently on this trip. And regardless, that's not okay. Searching to find a way back is not okay. It should have happened from the beginning. Especially because flights were getting booked three [ __ ] days before. Three days. Flights
• 81:00 - 81:30 and hotels booked three days before. I actually I I I will say this. Like I've been on like a couple things like related to like boots on the ground and politics and like I'd say that's like the industry like the industry norm. I think it's probably a bad industry norm that needs to be changed in so far as like uh booking flights, booking return flights. Um but that did apply to like everybody on the trip. Like for instance like I don't think that my return flight
• 81:30 - 82:00 was booked until like 2 days prior, 3 days prior. Um but um yeah that's but I know personally of a person like the person who was giving me uh bunch of day stuff booked on Sunday the Sunday before that Wednesday that you guys were at&m booked on Sunday and then told that that Hold on okay I don't even know what these are. What do I have here? Okay.
• 82:00 - 82:30 Okay. And what's this one? VV21RC. I do the work and you give the money. Okay. I don't know why we have that one here, but Okay. Demarco. Why can't I play multiple times? Wait, what if I make like three of them? All [Music]
• 82:30 - 83:00 right, I'll [ __ ] with that later. Okay, these are my two big ones. All right, let's go. Sorry. Flight was cancelled, I guess, or XYZ or whatever. And then the flight actually wasn't cancelled, but it doesn't matter. They was booked on Sunday. So, they were still booking flights and things for people who were involved with the tour on that day. Booking. I have the messages showing, hey, are you guys still gonna book my flight today? Yeah. Okay, cool. Because I cool because I got to get to like um I I I feel like like the call for
• 83:00 - 83:30 there is like probably like better management from like this pack and all packs. Um I don't know. I I just feel like I' I've seen that. I've I see that a lot. I see. But that's that's the whole point. I feel like it's a little weird when you see that a lot, but it didn't happen for me. I was added late in the game, you know. I was You didn't get a flight, Pan. You had a car. Yeah, they were booking me a flight and then I asked them to get me a rental car and
• 83:30 - 84:00 then I asked them 2 days later to book it for 14 days instead of three. Okay. What does that have to do with anything? What's that? So, did you hear it? Yeah. Um 14 days instead of three. Hey, listen. insummation. Um I I think that uh like there's often times where uh flights will get booked late. Uh I like I think that once again I got my return flight booked two days ago. Black creators didn't get their flights booked
• 84:00 - 84:30 at the thing is the thing the thing is is black creator who's saying I can sit here and say that the black creators were actually in the background talking about certain situations and how to make it better for the next thing. we didn't have to have a white creator step up here and try to talk for for for the black creators. I had no problem um with the situation cuz I knew it was going to get fixed with the people I was talking with. So again, I just find it weird that I have a white man sitting here explaining to me that I need to be treated better as if I didn't know that.
• 84:30 - 85:00 As if I could [ __ ] Hold on. One more. No, wait. That last one didn't load. Hold on. Couldn't handle it myself cuz I never said you couldn't. Okay, but you didn't. I never said I was even speaking about you. But you didn't know that though. You instead of coming to talk to people
• 85:00 - 85:30 about it, you did it on your own. You're Batman. You're Batman for the black community. Black man. I mean Batman. The only thing I did in that video was present facts and you guys are pissed about it for some reason. Again, I'm sorry that this did affect the tour. I'm sorry that I didn't come to you. I'm sorry I did not come to you. The black [ __ ] talking coming to me. I said the black creators on this tour. No, no. Name me five creators that
• 85:30 - 86:00 that was on this trip. Name me five of them. Maybe at least three except for consciously Americana Hannah [ __ ] Dan going part of the tour. We got it again. He's not part of the tour. You don't know nothing about Santana's talking about how much he's struggling through this [ __ ] A mermaid, Erica, me, Chris, all these. It's not my fault. She was Imagine if we just started rattling off. He was like, uh, Tyrone
• 86:00 - 86:30 Jerome Mahome racist dog. Like, okay, can I can I say something? Racist dog. Like, it's not my fault. She was racist dog. Like, can I can I say something? Okay. Okay. Real black woman speaking. Quick, can I say something? Um, so Payton, I think that you're um that you're not understanding the point that is our problem, right? So, you're saying that there were black creators that didn't get their flights until the 3 days before. There were black creators that you feel like
• 86:30 - 87:00 weren't um treated correctly. What does that have to do with you? It's a It's a And also, you keep coming up. No, no, no, no, no. Your second video, your second video, you started out. Please stop talking over me. Hey, please stop talking over. Your second video was a video when you were coming, you were going on there, you were talking about how black creators weren't being treated the same way. You were talking about how
• 87:00 - 87:30 black creators didn't get flights and had to pay for everything, but you did not have a conversation with any of those black creators to give that actual information. You're just going off of whatever it is that you felt like. And then you wanted to come online when you at this point were not even a part of the tour anymore because you left. I wish you would stop saying that you got kicked out in your I did not leave. I got kicked out in your first video. You said yourself that you I'm going to
• 87:30 - 88:00 Texas&M and invite all of your black friends. You said yourself that you did not want to be a part of this tour anymore. Payton, if she was a part of the tour, yes. Okay. So then did you get kicked off or did you leave? Yes. They called me. It's in my video. They called me. So, you made the video first and then they told you that you were getting kicked off because you made a video where you said you just said I was you did not want to go. Right. Okay. You just said it. Stop it. Please. It's very annoying. Like the thing about it is at
• 88:00 - 88:30 the end of the day, nobody needs you. I I especially and I'm pretty sure the other black people on this tour, we did not need you to speak up for us because I am loud enough on my [ __ ] own. I don't need you to say, "Oh, the black creators didn't get what they were supposed to. All the black creators weren't treated that way because you did not talk to the black creators." You talked to the few that you wanted to and then you went and made your own narrative about it and you were so happy
• 88:30 - 89:00 that your video made a million views. Nobody over here on this side actually cares about views. We care about the mission that we had. You came up here and spoke about your million views to Dean. That's not the problem. The problem is, hey, shut up. Stop speaking over me. Okay? The problem is stop trying to speak for black creators when you do not know what is actually going on with the black creators. That's it. And that's simple. What what Oh said as
• 89:00 - 89:30 you being a white savior is exactly what it is. Nobody over here I don't ever need a savior cuz I'mma always be the problem. Okay, in this society I don't ever need a savior cuz I will always be the problem. Okay. So I need for you. That's all I need for you to do is to stop speaking for black creators if you did not at least have the decency to have a conversation with us. That's just it.
• 89:30 - 90:00 Damn. Can I speak now? Yes. Fantastic. I was approached to make those videos by black creators who did not feel their voices were Oh my god, it's so many blacks on both side. Behold, the chessboard is set and it's all black pieces everywhere. Holy [ __ ] Who's going to have more getting heard? Well, then who? Cuz I haven't heard that from any of them. The creators on the creators on those lives. And again, I
• 90:00 - 90:30 will tell you who after I You're talking about the people on the lives. And I understand they are allowed to express their opinions. I am talking about the people who you went on your second video and said weren't getting treated the right way that were on the tour. Stay on topic. I guess I'm confus What? What? I guess what? Wait, what? Make fun of saying he's confused. Dean, I think I've said enough. Um, actually on I did not catch what I did wrong. I'm sorry. Just please
• 90:30 - 91:00 please then you may never get it. Um, so like P in a nutshell like I believe what Mermaid is essentially saying um is you went on to like make a second video uh like predicated on the experience of the black creators on the trip, right? Um and you did so I actually think that's payable. Will you just allow me to No, because that's wrong. I made the video, right? And I know me, right? That's you made a video about the experience of black creators on a trip in so far as some uh not being um you know covered
• 91:00 - 91:30 for their travel or like um like a plane being booked late. That was the premise of the video. But I I would like to clarify, right, essentially all that she's saying, right, is that you made a video, right, about the experiences of uh black creators on the trip without asking on their trip for their experiences. Oh my god. [Music] Do you get it now?
• 91:30 - 92:00 Oh, can I talk now? Sorry, I didn't know you muted me. Yes. Wasn't the point of the video. That's a f That's a twominut snippet of that that 50. I just I love all the super serious drama with all like the little emojis flying around their heads. Like that's a that's a two. Why does he have the cowboy hat? The point of the video, that's a flat that's a twominute snippet of that that 15minute video where I'm talking about the behavior of the people on the tour and how they
• 92:00 - 92:30 treated me. And yes, I did add in the section because while I was making the video, I was reached out to. I did add in the section about the creators who were not properly paid for this trip as I was. Mhm. But the video was about my treatment from the unprofessional people within the organization, not just Z, Brandon, and other creators who were lying blatantly to try to cover Z's ass. So,
• 92:30 - 93:00 is your argument essentially uh that you didn't talk about the black creators experiences without asking them? No, I said it was that it doesn't really matter. I said it cuz I like listen man like the point of like the space that I'm hosting right now is like just simply for transparent discussion. Okay, that that's why I brought you up here. Uh and that and that's uh why I had a conversation with you. Uh and now that's why Mermaid is up here right now as well cuz I want to make sure uh that Mermaid has the ability to say what she wants to say. But um I I don't really think that
• 93:00 - 93:30 you're responding to what Mermaid is saying. I just did. I was reached out to while I was editing that video. But while we were making that video, I was reached out to and I had to add that section because I was reached out to about it anonymously. Anonymously means I cannot give up their names. Guys, I'm very sorry. That's just how it [ __ ] works. Okay? But there are people who feel antagonized against on this tour by Z, which again I have screenshots. I can
• 93:30 - 94:00 prove it if you want. But like I guess like do you like the bare minimum like understand the perspective of Oh, I absolutely understand the perspective. One second. One second. You think it's obtuse for Mermaid to just simply request that before you tokenize her in a video, you talk to her first? I didn't tokenize her. I wasn't speaking about her. Again, I mean, I'm not going to lie to you. What was you speaking about? So, it was So, there was there was a there was there was about 10 black creators that were on the tour. Um me, Erica, Becca were the the three black women. Um, and there was about uh
• 94:00 - 94:30 seven seven black men that were on the tour. Who were you speaking about? Because I've had a conversation with all of them. All of them. We've all talked and we haven't talked with you because you have not been on the tour since you made your video stating that you wanted to leave again. I think you have to rewatch the video because I didn't like I was still on the tour until I got called and kicked off for calling someone racist. Did you not in your video did you not say that? Yeah. you
• 94:30 - 95:00 were going to Texas, but you're not going to be a part of the tour. You're not going to be a part of anything that has to do with the tour. And if people want to come out and see you until they got this racist out because I thought it would take two [ __ ] seconds for Dean Withers to be like, "Don't you think that after that?" So, don't you think that after that after you already making a video as to which you were saying that you do not want to be a part of the tour, then you would be a part of the tour? She would be kicked off. Yeah. So, I apologize for that. Yes. But you can tell by the phone call Brandon called me
• 95:00 - 95:30 to kick me off the tour. Why? I don't I don't see why this is like such a big like What was he going to say? You guys did not Listen, I just I just I just I'm not cutting people off, right? I know. I just want to add on a comment here real quick. Um Oh, yeah. You know what? Go ahead. For sure. I just got a little upset there because you said that Mermaid was being up to, right? And I demonstrated my upsetness. I just wanted to apologize real quick. What? Sorry.
• 95:30 - 96:00 Okay, man. Um Oh, no. The Why are you laughing? Oh, that's just like an insane like That's insane. That's the only insane thing for all of us. Queen, call. I don't like nervous laughter. It's not nervous, but I appreciate you. Okay. Excuse me. So, can you apologize for speaking for the black people on the tour without speaking to the black people on the tour? I spoke to black people on the tour, but if you felt like I was mentioning you because obviously I
• 96:00 - 96:30 didn't mention any names, I am sorry. I did not I would never want to I would never want to make it seem like I was speaking for black people who could not speak for themselves. Um, I mean, I'd like to like add in here, I guess, real quick. Um, as it relates to like this topic specifically, um, I'm unaware, right, of any Black Creator that was brought along on the tour that had to pay their own way. That's phenomenal, Dean. You wouldn't be. You're not the organizer, right?
• 96:30 - 97:00 That's why you reached out to me. So, that's why I reached out to you and then you didn't tell me. So, then I reached out individually. There's probably a reason why they're not telling you, bud. Bud? I don't think that you understand what's actually been happening with him. So that's why we kind of don't understand why you have so much of a say so because you don't really know. Listen, at the at the end of the day at the end of the day at the end of the day, here's a fact. Um I just want to make sure that nobody's out money, man. I That's all that's all
• 97:00 - 97:30 that's all Ben. That's all. Okay. And I And I feel like you've been fighting me pretty hard and um making that discovery. You know, I actually told you that I would DM you privately so that you would get so that you could reimburse them, didn't I? Earlier than live. Yeah. Is it possible that you may do that when you leave? Because that'd be great. That'd be great. That'd be great. I thought that's what we already talked about. Cool. I I would I would really appreciate it if you do that. Pay um Mermaid, is there anything else that you'd like to go over? No. Dean, thank you so much for letting me come up and
• 97:30 - 98:00 um use my voice. So, thank you to everybody who gifted me. Um and I hope everybody has a wonderful rest of their Sunday. That was it for me. Thank you. I appreciate you for joining, Mermaid. Um and and um that was definitely a conversation. That was definitely a conversation. Um Oh, but they're boys. I'm now going to remove you from the live. That's okay. But there's no boys. Maybe like one last thing before I do remove you from the live is um call them a slur. Oh my god, that would be epic. want uh that very
• 98:00 - 98:30 important conversation that was just held in the space. Um to like detract from the fact that um you're beautiful. I I seriously do think I engaged in actions that were wrong. Um and I wish I would have done better for the reasons that I've already listed and I promise to do better in the future for uh for the viewership. um specifically um as it would relate to um my apologies to um uh to specifically members of the BIPO community. Now, sorry everybody.
• 98:30 - 99:00 All right, now we know. Now we're all caught up. Okay, back to the video. What was Dean's announcement? And Mermaid. And Mermaid. All right, welcome everybody. All right, phenomenal. So yeah, I mean at this point I mean I feel like we have kind of gone over um you know where we are going to be going from here in so far as departing from Z uh the the main organizer of of the tour. Uh which either means she steps down as the organizer of the pack back in the tour and we find a new better organizer or we
• 99:00 - 99:30 just simply uh digress from um you know that specific pack. Um and yeah, we uh plan to hopefully be able to get uh other individuals up here from the tour as well. Uh but we're just kind of starting off with a conversation with uh Parker, Santana, Erica, Pickles and Mermaid. So, I mean, if you guys want to hop in here and kind of lead the conversation, I did see a text from you sent, but feel free to take it away. All right. So, uh, I want to start, right? Um, I know that we have people on the panel that will speak to multiple things, and I have something specific that Can you explain what the organizer did? So, the organizer came in and microaggressed like crazy. Okay. And by
• 99:30 - 100:00 microaggress, I mean she came in and I think the organizer was upset that it sounded like the language on the live stream that was being hosted was kind of harsh towards the people doing the organizing work. and she felt like that language was too harsh and her expressing that got her [ __ ] She got she's out of here now. And now we have brave white men like Dean standing up to bully this organizer out. She's also the owner or leader of the pack and the main organizer or was wasn't a member of a gang and then they
• 100:00 - 100:30 looked and on his knuckles he had MS-13. There's a dispute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. He had MS13 on his knuckles. He had some tattoos that are interpret it that way. But let's move on. Wait a minute. Hey, Terry. Terry. Terry. He did not have the letter MS13. It says MS13. That was photoshopped. U. So, let me just That was photoshopped, Terry. You can't do that. Hey, they're giving you the big break of a lifetime. You know, you're doing the interview. I picked you because frankly, I never heard of you, but that's okay. I picked you, Terry.
• 100:30 - 101:00 Hey, but you're not being very nice. He had MS-13 tattoo. We'll agree to disagree. I want to move on to something else. Terry, do you want me to show you the picture? I saw the picture. We'll we'll photoshopped. Well, here we go. Here we go. Don't photoshop it. Go look at his hand. He had He did have tattoos that can be interpreted that way. I'm not an expert on them. I want to turn to Ukraine. I want to get to Ukraine. No, no, no, no. He had MS as clear as you can be. Not interpreted. This is why people no longer believe the news
• 101:00 - 101:30 because when he was photographed in El Sal in in El Salvador, they aren't there. But let's just go on. They aren't there when he's in El Salvador. Oh. Oh. They want But they're there now, right? No. They're in your picture, Terry. Ukraine, sir. He's got MS13 on his knuckles. All right. Okay. We'll take a look. It's You do such a disservice. We'll take a look at this. Why don't you just say yes, he does? And you know, go on to something else. It's contested. He had him on his knuckles, guys.
• 101:30 - 102:00 I want to see. I like that. This is our politics in the United States. Bro, kill me from one to the next. Oh my god. Me, too. Um, but the I kind of I want to clarify something that Dean said. Um, Dean mentioned that all of the creators that went on the tour um was involved with the conversation that that's not accurate. There are specific people that were not included, but the actual people that were included in this uh helped
• 102:00 - 102:30 come to the conclusion. Um, and I'm not going to say why specific people were not at it, but I just want to leave it at that. It was not every single creator that went on the tour. Um, with that being said, uh, I I I specifically want to speak to something. Um, the thing that I want to speak to is, uh, two quick things. There's a lot of people who are asking the question, why haven't we addressed this before then? And so Dean specifically has spoken to his reasons why he didn't actually come out and say anything or, you know, what the actual uh, delay was. I want to take a
• 102:30 - 103:00 moment to just say that we were lied to. Period. We were lied to. We were specifically told by someone that we trusted to actually be truthful and someone told us that the way to go about this was to hold comments because things were being worked on on the back end. And that's not true. Someone specific. Can you at least explain to the viewers that the MS-13 was obviously added afterwards? Um, yeah. I mean, I it was photoshopped on to the top. I don't know if Trump's just [ __ ] but I mean, what do you want me to say? He's
• 103:00 - 103:30 I mean the do I need to say that this is photoshopped? This is not real. It's obviously this is photoshopped. It's [ __ ] [ __ ] Was manipulating the situation and actually trying to control the flow of information that was coming out whether it be us speaking out individually or collectively or any other messages being shared. So as a collective unit we were going through conversations. We were going through back and forth as far as what do we want
• 103:30 - 104:00 to say? How do we want to do? What do we want to address? And let me be very clear and very strong in what I say at this very moment. How do I I appreciate that. I want to be very clear and very straightforward at this moment. And I said this to Z herself. What she said on that panel was racist. It was racist. What? It was racist microaggressions. She was racist. how she should not have said she should not have said those things to anyone but specifically those black women on the
• 104:00 - 104:30 panel. Now with that being said, I want to speak on the point of like racism, right? And even more so people who call themselves advocates. Allies. Oh, advocates. Okay. There are certain people who This is something I've stressed a million [ __ ] times over and I will continue to express it. I am not an ally. Don't describe me as an ally ever, an advocate, any of that [ __ ] I just talk about things that I think are correct. I never want to be an ally. If I ever find out that I'm identified as an ally, okay? I will get the the whitest, cleanest Klux Clansman cloaks you've
• 104:30 - 105:00 ever [ __ ] seen in your life. Okay? And I'll just march around. All right? Until I'm never described that way again. Don't ever. Okay? Although, I think I'm pretty far right now from being. So, my god, that's soing cringe. Hello. Why are we out of missiles? are saying that they are why is getting back up for the black community. Sticking up for the marginalized community. Sticking up for the black people that went on this tour who didn't have representation or were
• 105:00 - 105:30 giving given less than or anything like that. Not good. There are certain people that have made videos talking about black people should have had this or black creators should have got that or black creators whatever. specifically people who have voiced their opinions and said that they're being advocates for black people while never speaking to the black people that they were advocating for. Wow. So, as far as certain people who have continued to actually talk and say the black people that are on this tour, they're not getting this. The black people that are
• 105:30 - 106:00 not that are on this tour, they're not getting that or they should have this or this should happen. I want you all to know I hate you that those people say it did not come and speak to the black people involved in the tour. To be like to be like more specific about what Satan is saying, uh there's been other creators that have claimed things like uh some of the black creators who came along on the trip uh were not uh paid for um like paid for in the sense of of planes of of hotels, etc. Uh meanwhile, the white creators were um and essentially like what you're saying is that that's not true, right? That is I always thought they were claiming that the four samples on Garcia's hands meant MS-13. Um yes, people will claim that,
• 106:00 - 106:30 but Donald Trump is so [ __ ] [ __ ] He's seen the photoshop and he thinks the photoshopped picture is real. That's the problem. Not true. It's not. It's not. And for anyone to So, I don't want to go into like the full detail of like timelines or what happened and when or whatever. Um, I will say that uh there's more to all of the story. I don't want to hog all the time, but there's more to all of the uh the actual story, the situation, how this actual timeline progressed. Um something that I've shared with everyone on this panel
• 106:30 - 107:00 and I've even told Z. Um, so I do a podcast with Jessica Simone. The podcast will be out tomorrow. And I will specifically be speaking on that podcast, not only to the timeline of how everything came about, but also the backend stuff that people don't know about. And that's something that a lot of people don't have is the understanding as far as everything that happened to get us to this point. But the thing that I want to focus on, and I'm going to leave it as far as my final point, two things. One, all of the creators wanted Z to come out and apologize and make a statement for being racist. Yes. every single one. There has
• 107:00 - 107:30 not been an instance where anyone has said that we did not want her to apologize. We all wanted accountability. Get me the [ __ ] out. We all wanted accountability. Two, for anyone who saying that they're advocating for the black community, who's advocating for marginalized people and marginalized voices, anyone that's been loud and proud and saying that I'm doing this for these black people that are going on the tour, they are lying to you. They are lying to you because they did not talk to us. They have not been in communication with us. They have not engaged in good faith and they are doing it for themselves. They are being
• 107:30 - 108:00 performative. If they really cared about the black creators that were on this tour, one, they would have reached out to us, but two, they would not continue to do and say harmful things that would put us in jeopardy. Jeopardy. That's all that I have to say. By what exactly? What is the threat we're facing here, by the way? But um I know I guess I'll just add on there like to be more specific like he um like did specifically say black women. So, I mean, uh, Erica and Mermaid, I would love to give the mic to you guys to be able to speak your mind. Um, and kind of share a little bit about how you feel. Speak your mind, queen. Um, sound really low. You don't have an
• 108:00 - 108:30 echo. However, I don't think that your like mic is properly plugged in. Let's move over to the mic. Okay. Is that better? Um, try to try to like There we go. Yeah, there it is. Tell her how to speak. Okay, guys. Um, let her speak her truth. Um, I just want to reiterate what Santana said is that, um, from the beginning, um, I always requested that a statement be made. Um I do understand um diplomacy and basically putting on a united front. So if I'm told that we're not going to speak about it, then we're not going to speak about it. Um so that's basically what it was. But I still think um even to this very second that a statement should be put out
• 108:30 - 109:00 apologizing to those women cuz what she said was wrong. Um intentional or unintentional, it was wrong and she needs to address it and take accountability. Um so that's my whole um thought on that matter. Also u Okay. It was a homophobic ad and it should have been pulled. Wait, what was homophobic? Wait, let me be the homophobia and it should homophobia. I think it was pulled. I'm not sure, but my community didn't like it. I expressed that to Z. Um, and she said that she would look into it and then I didn't hear anything else about it. It just it didn't it didn't feel good and I expressed this a lot that we just need
• 109:00 - 109:30 to have a statement. Something needs to be said. And with people in the in the background acting in bad faith, pretending to act in everyone's best interest, it didn't do us any favors. So, I just want to say that I am sorry to my community. I truly am sorry to everyone. Um, I want this to continue, but I Bro, we're [ __ ] Oh no, dude. Holy [ __ ] Agree with my peers here that I do not want Z to be at the forefront of it. So that's it. That's all I have to say cuz I'm not going to cry. And I just I just
• 109:30 - 110:00 have two things I want to add on here. Um so first and foremost, um like this apology isn't for you if you're white. I want to point that out. Obviously a lot of people what? Okay. In the chat. Um like this this apology is for uh specifically uh like black individuals. This is for black people. This is for black women. I am sorry. I'm sorry, love. I am sorry to black women. You look at my page. I support black women. All right. That's what I do. I support black women first and foremost. All right. That's what I do. And to be put in this situation, no, it it's it's just wrong and trying to be diplomatic. It it's a strength and it's
• 110:00 - 110:30 a weakness. That's all I'm going to say. And I'll be quiet for the rest of the time. Um and then also just one other thing is like I also see a lot of other people uh like really invalidating like the grievances and and hurt of um of like of of members on this. That's gross, guys. Please don't do that because like the grievances and hurt are legitimate. Yeah. I I'll just say I mean genuinely Erica hit it right on the head. This is for black women specifically because there were black women that were disrespect disrespected and for anyone who is actively engaging in bad faith what and down in the comments saying you know this is performative or whatever. Sorry, this isn't for you. This is specifically to
• 110:30 - 111:00 the black women that were hurt and affected by everything that happened. True. That's the point. And our communities. Yes. We are sorry to our communities for having to actually deal with any and all of this. Yeah. Yeah. Um and and just by the way, I wanted to repeat the overall like thesis um because there's definitely a lot of new people that have come in here. Um that like the Unfuck America or the movement uh is is going nowhere. Um we're just kind of uh you know, renavigating how it's organized. So basically like the request is uh and as of today and this was agreed upon by all 30 creators that went on the trip. Uh we were able to successfully organize a large call and we spoke for about 3 hours. This whole movement got shut down. This whole tour
• 111:00 - 111:30 almost everyone. Yeah. Almost everybody. Um because a lady came in and argued. Holy [ __ ] It's all [ __ ] now. RIP. that, you know, if we're going to continue this movement backed by the same pack, that means that Z steps down from any position in that pack. Z leaves the pack or uh we just simply navigate away from the pack. That's all. Um yeah. Yeah. Does does anybody else um [ __ ] to say, [ __ ] Um yeah, so was definitely a lot going on. Um but
• 111:30 - 112:00 today's uh call was definitely needed to be able to figure out where where to go from here. Thank you. Um yes, queen. First off, I want to say um I can speak for myself, so I don't need anyone speaking for me. Um when we found out when we saw what was like happening on that live um only I only got bits of pieces because I kept going into um the group chat that we all have and telling Z that she needs to get down. Um me and Erica both. And one thing that I'm going to say is the reason why America is in the position that they are in is because people don't listen to black women. And
• 112:00 - 112:30 we said it over and over again and told her she was wrong. and and within with having 30 different people all having an opinion, it got to be so much. But then also, we had a mission to go, bro, do you know what would honestly be the funniest? Okay, forget like What is a woman or all this cringshit that conservatives, you know what would actually be a funny troll conservative movie is imagine the goal is to destroy any type of like leftist organizing. And the way that you do it is you get four conservative black women to go undercover into any of these groups and to just make any suggestion. And like
• 112:30 - 113:00 it's a social experiment. Like how far could you get if you had four black women that were championing a certain cause to the school where where we all knew that we had supporters that were coming out that wanted to see us that wanted to have a safe space that they did have during that time. So it was so hard to navigate if we let people down or how has Sanders been able to avoid this? Bernie Sanders has absolutely not been able to avoid what are you talking about? His whole um first of all, didn't his staff almost revolt because they wanted like a 15 an hour wage? All the
• 113:00 - 113:30 people that spun off his campaign were just like this or worse. Where do you think Brianna Joy Gay [ __ ] came from? Was Bernie Sanders campaign? Also, Bernie literally had his own white man soy moment. We thank you for honoring us with your presence. This is as far as Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders got into his social security speech at Westlake Park. Thank you, Seattle, for being one of the most progressive cities in the United
• 113:30 - 114:00 States of America. Moments later, Black Lives Matter activists rush the stage. We are responsible. We're going to give you We're going to let you on the mic. Activists who last year shut down a holiday treelighting in the same park today prevented the most progressive candidate for president from speaking to thousands of people who came to hear him. I came here to join this rally and watch what was going on. Not to listen to somebody take over the stage. Wait,
• 114:00 - 114:30 what did he Wait. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. I saw that. Not to listen to. It was coming. It was a B, not an N. It was a B. It was a B. But it was coming. He stopped himself though. Join this rally. Watch what was going on. Not to listen to somebody take over the stage. As the crowd called for activists to step aside, Sanders waited patiently. We are shutting people. We shut it down. We will. We will shut it down. After about 20 minutes, Sanders like this. You could I feel like you could destroy so
• 114:30 - 115:00 many lefty movements by just getting like just get like four black women to just go in and like do [ __ ] like this all the time. Like come in and be like, "Did you know that today was the day that Rosa Parks died and you dare have this thing?" Like every white I don't [ __ ] know when Rosa Parks died. Maybe it is. Damn. And they just shut up and leave. You could destroy every lefty movement like this. wife Jane appeared to give the signal it was time to go soon after they left the stage. It was just disrespectful. Well, I think it's unfortunate because among other things,
• 115:00 - 115:30 among other things, I wanted to talk about the issue of black lives. The fact that the American people are tired of seeing unarmed African-Ameans shot and killed. But there are other issues as well that we have to talk about. if we help people out. And in that situation, everything was already paid for, everything was already set up. All of this happened at one time. So, it was so hard to figure it out. But, we did
• 115:30 - 116:00 decide to go. And even then, there were still me and Erica and multiple other people that are up here that were saying that Z needs to make a public statement and it didn't happen um because there were other factors that were um coming in within all of this. Regardless, um what happened should not have happened. if we are all fighting um a fight and an important fight um things need to be addressed head-on so that we don't have these these big problems and things start to implode and so for that I can apologize um and I know that everybody up here feels the same way after having Why do Dems have to be this cucked in America when it comes to talking about anything related to black people John
• 116:00 - 116:30 Oliver is another example of this he never says anything remotely critical about black people because the problem is that white people don't know what it means to not be racist a lot of people have no concept of what it means to be discriminatory or racist or bigoted and if you don't really know well [ __ ] what are you going to do I don't know listen to black people right no offense I don't need a [ __ ] black person to tell me what it means to be racist or not. Now, they can inform your experience, right? They can um tell you things that or give you a perspective that you wouldn't have been able to consider otherwise. But if you need to get your understanding of of racism or bigotry or your definition of some of these people, and you're
• 116:30 - 117:00 probably already lost. But if you are in that world, well, you you're literally getting definition of them. Well, if they're telling you that you're being racist or bigoted, then you have no choice but to sit down and shut the [ __ ] up. You kind of just have to sit there and take it, you know, like, well, [ __ ] If he says I am, then I guess maybe I am. And then just sit there and kind of deal with it that way. the very long conversation that we had. So, for the people that we did let down, I do I do feel as though um like I'm sorry because we're just trying. Um I know I can speak for myself and say that I'm just trying to to help out even though um I'm not some big old person. Um and last thing, uh like I said before, and I really just want to reiterate this um when it comes
• 117:00 - 117:30 down to cuz I know it's been said that I have I paid for everything to go there. That's a lie. Um I know there's been a bunch of different lies like I didn't feel safe. That's a lie. Um the you don't have to speak for me. And regardless, even if it wasn't paid for, I still would have went because I agree with the movement, with the reason why we are going to these schools. And by the end of that night, I saw that that is why I went. So even if I had to pay out of pocket, I still would have done it because I love a country that does not love me and I'm going to continue to fight for this country that does not love me because I love this country and the people in it. So I would pay my own money if I had to. I land my plane with
• 117:30 - 118:00 that. Can can I just add on uh mermaid? Did anyone reach out to you about you know you having to pay a single person? Not one person has asked me anything. people have just said what they feel about it and it really is aggravating because I will speak out. I will speak up. I will answer questions. I answer majority of my DMs. I'm not some big streamer or big person. I will talk to you. But no one spoke to me but everyone spoke about me and that's a problem to me. Yeah. So, so people that are making videos or making comments or making posts saying that, you know, black people came in late and they're they're
• 118:00 - 118:30 having to pay or whatever, that that's that's not true. That's not true. Sorry. Um Yeah. Um, so, uh, there's not much more that I'm going to say that Santana, Erica, and Mermaid didn't cover, uh, just now. Um, basically, um, I did want to speak for myself and also Hannah because, uh, she said she was probably not able to come on the panel. Um, basically, like Santana said, um, some of us were misled into, um, believing that there was a consensus not to speak about this. And so, that's why on Friday on my live, I didn't speak about it. That's why I can't remember what Hannah's live was, maybe Thursday, but that's why she didn't speak about it. And, um, and I just want want that out
• 118:30 - 119:00 there because I didn't know that this consensus didn't exist until this morning. I Wow. Listen, I feel like for like me as a as a white man, right? Here's my Thank you for clarifying. As a white man, I don't really think like a consensus matters. You know, I I feel like, you know, we don't need a consensus. We just need some of the black people to tell us what to think. Please, God, just tell us black people what to think. Please absolve me of my racism. Please. It was It was wrong of me uh to not speak about this prior to the tour. Um specifically about the organizers. Once again for all the people in the comment section saying
• 119:00 - 119:30 what's going on. I'll I'll reiterate um the organizer of the tour went on a Tik Tok live um like two or three days before on the ground of Texas and was being uh microaggressive to the uh black women on the panel. Um and then yeah specifically before like do people like Dean actually believe in this soy way of talking or are they just doing it for cloud and [ __ ] No, I don't think he's doing for clown [ __ ] Um, there's this concept I honest to God I think it's [ __ ] now, but there's this concept called people first language, and I think it started off with good intentions, but I feel like
• 119:30 - 120:00 um I I don't know if it actually works or if it [ __ ] matters. What happened is is you get people that will call people like, oh, blacks um or gays or homos, right? You get people that say words like this and it becomes kind of um uh it becomes like a signifier or a vernacular of somebody where it's like, "Oh, that guy might be like racist or homophobic, right? A guy saying, you know, blacks guy sounds like he could be racist." And then I think what happened is is people went and like retroactively tried to analyze this language and they're like, "Okay, why is
• 120:00 - 120:30 blacks bad?" Well, because blacks is not people first. It reduces them to some singular concept. So, how about a black person? um a black person. That's like a they call it people first language. A person with disabilities or I don't even know if they say disabilities anymore, right? A person with special abilities. Who knows? That sounds way cooler than it actually is. Um so they so they have like all of these like advanced vernacular ways to tackle literally every single, you know, way that you speak. But I I think the issue is that um it just doesn't it doesn't matter
• 120:30 - 121:00 that much. It doesn't work. Like you can I think you can use people's first language and still be like not like you can still signal you're kind of racist like oh he's a colored person a what colored person. You could say like a person of color I guess but like a gay person doesn't feel you wouldn't say like he's oh he's a person of homosexuality. I don't know. I just think it's all [ __ ] They have these like super intricate ways of speaking and now it's just kind of become the signifier or the like these little
• 121:00 - 121:30 cultural handshakes to let them know that they're not racist or they're not bigoted, but it all feels like incredibly performative and stupid to me. I don't know. But that's just my take on it. Like once I'll just repeat this for all the new people coming in here. The reason why I still went on the tour um even after that occurred was because uh you know individuals had already bought plane tickets to go to Texas from from Oklahoma from from Chicago from Florida. And at the time you know I was like you know what I'm still going to do it. But in retrospect, what I should have done, what I should have done, and I didn't do this, what I should have done is I should have uh used my position as a larger um as a larger influencer to basically say, "No,
• 121:30 - 122:00 either you hold yourself accountable, you ble out or I don't go." Um and I didn't do that. And that's wrong, right? And that's what I said at the beginning of the stream stream and that's what I'll say again. Um but you know, in so far as like what the actionable steps were once we got back from Texas, well, there was a couple things that we had to consider. Uh one of the big like this is a big thing and and I want to make sure to bring this up is the pack fundraised $100,000 from the event. Um, and a big part of of navigation when we got back, that's a decent chunk of change for events like this, like it's crazy that they're they're kicking out the lead organizer. Holy [ __ ] Was I want to make
• 122:00 - 122:30 sure that all of the creators are on the same page, right? So, we could almost unionize and say you guys um have have to either get a a new uh organizer or the current organizer has to show real actionable steps towards accountability. Um and in days past there was no real actionable step on the that's why we're all here today because we've agreed uh that essentially this will not continue with pack as it stands with the organizer Z. Uh either the organizer Z will step down or um we will you know digress from the pack and find other means to continue the movement. And that's basically um you know what we're
• 122:30 - 123:00 all here to talk about. Yeah. And again I just I just go ahead and I'm sorry actually real quick. I'm half memeing when I'm laughing about the fact that they're cutting out the organizer. I don't really know much about these people or much about like everything that's going on. So maybe it's not as big of a deal as I'm assuming it is in my mind. Like if the organizer did as much work as it seems like she did and she's being cut out from this because of this small thing, this is bullying. Uh it is extreme bullying. And just because you're black doesn't mean you can't be
• 123:00 - 123:30 like a, you know, an actual piece of [ __ ] Uh like bully [ __ ] who just happens to have found, you know, some new advanced way to unlock extra forms of bullying. Um, like unless I'm missing something that happened, and I don't think I am, uh, because I think somebody brought it up, like this is easily a situation that could have been discussed. Cooler heads could have prevailed. You know, maybe get somebody older than the age of 19 to have this conversation. It's like, hey, some people got triggered or ticked off or whatever. Like, let's just chat it out and be cool and and you're done with it. You move on from it. I don't feel like I
• 123:30 - 124:00 heard anything here. Kill me. that would require um like a a total cut off of this person from everything uh that they were involved in in terms of organizing. Seems really cringe, but whatever. Is is are there really no resources out here? Wait, so I can't actually I brought all this [ __ ] to build a space platform to mine materials. Am I not able to mine any materials out here in space? Is it all just ice? Absolutely. I just wanted to again say like everyone like please right listen to the people involved. Listen to the
• 124:00 - 124:30 people in the tour. Listen to everyone on this panel right now. It's really important to do that. Um, also like hold us accountable. It's really important to hold people like Dean and I accountable. And there are a lot of people in the Discord, right, engaging in racist microaggressions towards black women like within the context of our Discords. And we just want to say that we do not support that. We think that is horrible. And we want people within the Discords also to be able to hold themselves and us accountable uh resolve the issue. And I mean, even when I DM'd him, I was like, "Please keep this private. Um, you know, I don't want this to be shared publicly. I just want you personally to maybe share this information with me so I could try to help resolve it um you know uh behind the scenes and take care of that just
• 124:30 - 125:00 because I definitely think that would be really wrong and bad. And then he DMs me back and he basically says, "Nope, I'm not going to tell you. You don't get a no." Um and and yeah. Yeah. So that was that was concerned. And that's my point about when people say that they're actually advocating for certain people when they don't actually do the work, but yet they want to get the attention. That's what we're talking about. Not good. So the they had the opportunity to reach out to the black creators. They had the opportunity to answer answer Dean's question like they had the
• 125:00 - 125:30 opportunity to actually put action behind the words and they didn't do that. And one other quick thing that I want to, you know, touch on before I pass over to pickle is is to Dan's point. I want to be very very clear because Dan said the reason why he didn't, you know, uh, speak on certain things is because, you know, he was told specifically um that he shouldn't. And you know the the message that a lot of creators were given was follow the direction of the black creators, right? They were told follow the direction of the black creators. And someone specifically weaponized that message and
• 125:30 - 126:00 told everyone else that the message should not be communicated, that there should be no apology pushed out, that people should put it on ice and not talk about it and we should not address those things while at the same time telling the black creators, I have your best interest at heart and I'm going to take care of this. Trust me, believe me, I got it. So what actually happened was they didn't certain white creators or non-black creators were being told, "Hey, I'm working with the black creators and this is what they want you
• 126:00 - 126:30 to do." While at the same time telling the black creators, "We just need to all chill out and I'm going to take care of it." So when when Dan says individually he was told not to actually air things out or talk about this, that's true. But that's because someone was lying to all of us and actually going around and trying to manipulate the situation. Damn. Pickles. Yeah. Um, I think everything's been pretty well explained so far. Uh, I also do want to pound on the fact that we are not doing this in reaction to other creators making videos or making
• 126:30 - 127:00 lives about this. Uh, we're doing this on our own valition. We've had a 4hour meeting today about this. All of us. Uh, we do care about this a lot. And, you know, it wasn't only just one thing or two things. It was it was an amalgamation of things and our genuine concern over whether or not this uh this pack was taking good care of us or doing this event in uh the best way that they could. And we we had our own um criticisms of it. But yes, I as far as I know, I might be I'm the only creator I know of that paid out of pocket um for anything. Uh there could be more, but I
• 127:00 - 127:30 paid over $1,000 to come and I was I was very ecstatic to come. Damn. And I think it was an overall success for even someone like me who paid all the way out of pocket to come. No, that's all I have. I just wanted to add on there because like the timing is incredibly suspicious because we started this live. um just like a little bit after another creator on the platform started their own live. Um yeah, I mean every single person on this panel as well as like every other creator on the trip could definitely attest to the fact um that you know we we we've been in a Google meet talking about um you know what happened, what the next actionable steps are uh for hours before um you know like we're live here and then they started some can I just say this real quick and I'm sorry. So I I got permission from
• 127:30 - 128:00 Erica to share this. Uh, so this is the signal chat message that I sent out to everyone, but specifically this is what I sent to Erica. Um, basically saying, "Hey, we need to meet." I sent it at 9:47 a.m., okay, Pacific, saying that, "Hey, we need to meet at 2:00 p.m. Eastern, 1, I'm sorry, 11:00 a.m. Pacific and trying to get everybody organized and on the same page." So for anyone thinking that this is reactionary, no, we have been talking, not only have we been in communication about everything for the last couple of days, but specifically when it comes to what we're doing right now, this started
• 128:00 - 128:30 at 9 something this morning as far as deciding how we were going to go about doing this, what we wanted to talk about, how this live was going to look. So no, we're not reacting to anyone who is live or making videos or whatever. And there's also just like a couple smaller things that I'd like to talk about like specifically about the NDAs because they were talking about the NDAs. So, um, this morning, every creator on the trip, uh, got sent an NDA by the organizer. Um, and then I went into a larger group chat with all the creators and I told people not to sign
• 128:30 - 129:00 the NDA, and then I got a phone call where I got like yelled at and all this stuff because apparently I uh I I made a very very bad decision by telling people not to sign the NDA. Um, so yeah, that that did happen. That did happen and that was that was so [ __ ] that that was insane. I I still I'm still in disbelief. I'm sorry. Just to correct, the NDA went out last night um at around 1000 p.m. That was when we got the NDAs. Um some people were asleep, some people um were not, but I don't think anyone up here signed. We I'm pretty sure majority of us know to seek legal counsel
• 129:00 - 129:30 beforehand, but that it did go out later on. Seek legal counsel before signing ND. I mean, I still my position of telling people not to sign that. Um and I was I was perplexed by like the reaction that I was met with by the organizers. You know, I got called and they were like really mad at me for telling people not to sign it. But yeah, it was it was very questionable. um especially a couple subsections of the uh of the document of itself and uh I defend that. Um and then also one other thing or two other things is I just want to reiterate the same sentiment um that you know the conversation about like myself holding myself accountable and apology. This is only for um for black individuals. I I want to reiterate that
• 129:30 - 130:00 once again as well as I do see some um stop. If you're white right now, you better not be taking this as an apology, you [ __ ] retards. We're watching this for entertainment and entertainment only. This has absolutely nothing to do with apologizing to you if you're listening and you're white. Okay. You know, some misogyny as well as anti-black racism in the chat. Um, and that is unacceptable in this space. Uh, like you know, the grievances are valid and they shouldn't be invalidated. And I think that's really important. Um, now, um, simple black is, would you like to add a handful of things on? Uh, yeah, just a few things. So, um, I want people
• 130:00 - 130:30 to understand that there were two situations that happened simultaneously. The first situation was the criticism about the UNF America tour and, um, the protection of black people. Then the second situation is how Z entered a panel full of black women and uh was hostile towards these black women. Um what we need to understand is that the black creators that was a part of this tour spoke with each other and try to understand what's the next move. Our goal was to make sure that this situation will never happen again and to make sure that we can have a stronger un um a stronger unified front when it comes to the next step for um the UNAF
• 130:30 - 131:00 America tour. So to see people coming here and try to belittle a few of the individuals that was on the tour such as Mermaid and Erica uh bashing them as black women or even me calling me a mediocre or even Chris calling Chris and I mereer black men or even saying that we were DEI hires. These were the things that was being said to the people that that claimed that they were protecting. So I ask you how is that protection? How is that protecting individuals if those same individuals are being attacked by those same individuals? And that's what we have to understand. I spoke with some of these people that actually started um started the situation and I asked them, have you spoke with the black individuals that you're protecting? And they said no. So I'm curious. Do you
• 131:00 - 131:30 care about us more than we care about us? And that's a scary situation that I I've noticed and I'm just shaking in the situation because people are l are literally questioning the black creators blackness at some point as if these individuals understand what we went through more than us. And that's what I wanted to say like like we have to understand the situation at hand and it's bigger than this. No one sitting here saying what Z did was right. But at the same point, we were told not to say anything. We were also told that the situation was going to get fixed. A lot of us was questioning even staying here and we came together and spoke about this. But instead of the people who had this criticism coming to talk to us about this, they decided, hey, let's go on live and let's talk about it without
• 131:30 - 132:00 inviting these individuals, without letting them hear them out. And when they did hear us out, we were attacked. That's the beginning of all of this. Erica was attacked. Mermaid was attacked. Chris was attacked. I was attacked. Satan was attacked. Dan Pickles, everyone, Dean, Parker, we were all attacked simultaneously without us even defending anything. And that's the last thing I want to say about all this. Mhm. One thing that I want to kind of mention and and uh call out because again, I I want to be very clear. Um there's a difference between uh [ __ ] this up so much um and people who uh had genuine concerns and there were some people who had genuine concerns, right? Um and the the one thing that I want
• 132:00 - 132:30 people to understand is that um every black person that decided to join this tour and to go to Texas&M understood what we were doing. We absolutely understood that we were not welcome. Oh, wait. In College Station. There we go. Got it. I figured we understood that we were going there. I got it. and we were putting oursel at risk. So for anyone to say that in case you guys didn't know, College Station is one of the most lethal places in the entire United States to try to do events at as a black person. It's insane the amount of physical
• 132:30 - 133:00 violence that they'll get you with proper things aren't being done or the proper steps weren't being taken or you know you're not caring or thinking about the black people that are going to uh theory's point like we care about ourselves and we were fully aware and we were we made sure that we were going to be protected. So there was some misconceptions or even lies about the access to security or whatever the case may be protection while we were there. We were assured that security was going to be in place, that we were going to have private areas that we had access
• 133:00 - 133:30 to. Um, and private areas we're going to black only areas. Is that is that what that means? I'm sorry. We did just that. Whether it was private areas in our hotel, whether it was private places to eat dinner, whether it's police officers on campus, whether it's just places to get a drink at a water fountain with us, all of those things happened and we knew what was happening. So having those concerns about black people, thank you. Yes. Yes. But also spreading misinformation and lies about what is happening or what didn't happen, that's not beneficial. It
• 133:30 - 134:00 was harmful and it continues to be harmful. Um and uh and I just want to also say that I just want to also say that um those uh the bad faith actors that Sant had spoken about here, I think um I genuinely saw through dead targets put on the backs of the black creators on this tour. Um, and it just when when everything came out and I and I saw the light, it I'm boiling rich and I just want to I want to say that on behalf of them cuz genuinely um they received messages because of misinformation that was coming out by white boys. I just
• 134:00 - 134:30 want to say this. If anyone just wants the actual proof of what happens, if anyone in the chat can just put that YouTube uh video of what happened between everybody that was part of that live and with Z, not only are you going to see Z become microaggressive against these black women, but you're also going to see other outcomes of what's happening and you also get a bigger story. Jesus. Um, I listen, here's here's here's what I want to say. I I think that like good faith uh critical dialogue and criticism is not only a good thing, but it's it's necessary. It is it is so incredibly necessary. If if I um you know, didn't um you know, have have a conscious um have a conscious
• 134:30 - 135:00 attitude where I where I'm wanting to be accepting of like it's not to be racist cuz you're being anti-racist. Real criticism from good faith actors, you know, I would not be the man I am today. I mean, over the course of the last couple years, um you know, I've I've heard constructive criticism on so many things. Um, and I've genuinely tried to stay conscious about it and it has helped me become a better person. And I think that does apply now, right? Um, and we we spent some time talking about, you know, some like the bad faith actors involved, but I also I want to talk about the good faith actors involved. Um, and I think that there has been like legitimate criticism. Um, and you know, we've kind of already covered a little bit of that. I know that I have like when I for instance started opening up. Um, and just know that like I take it
• 135:00 - 135:30 seriously. Um, and I always have and I always will. Um, at least I always try to. I guess I I guess that's what I should I guess that's what I should say. Now, if um, did anybody else on the panel want to want to add anything in here? I think my mic is like pretty staticky. I think you guys can hear it. I don't know. Yeah, it is. Oh, yeah. It's It's really It's not good. I just want to Okay. All right. Hold on one moment. Yeah. Um while while Erica fix uh her uh mic, I I'll just I'll I'll make one more quick point and and that is um Mhm. We
• 135:30 - 136:00 as creators hold ourselves to a very high level, very high standard. And the reason why we're doing this right now is because it was important for us once we found out the things that were happening to actually put it out there. Now again, the statements that and I'm going to be clear, the statements that Z made was racist. Jesus, it was they were. We also all agree that she needs to apologize and take accountability. True. With that being said, accountability means she needs to kill herself immediately in a video game
• 136:00 - 136:30 in real life. We all also understood that we were told that this was being taken care of and We were being lied to at the same time. And as soon as we found this information out over the last 24 hours, we have been sharing this information with each other. We organized, we got on a call that lasted for hours. And then we immediately shifted from that call to this live so we can share this information with you. So, that's why we're here today talking about what happened with the Unfuck America Tour, what happened with uh the National Ground Game, what we would like to see happen, and how we would like for this to move forward because every single person here is committed to
• 136:30 - 137:00 continuing to do the right thing, and we want to continue to do the right thing, but we cannot do the right thing with the wrong people. How is there an hour and 40 minutes left in this? What the [ __ ] else do they talk about? I'm sorry, I'm tomorrow. Yay. Okay, bye everyone. Uh Dean Santana worked effortlessly today to make sure that this live took place. So, h shout out to Dean S. Good. Sorry. Bye everybody. Love you. All right, everybody watching. Um, here's the deal. We edited it. We ended up, guys. We did it. We did it. The reason The reason I have my platform is because of transparent conversation with
• 137:00 - 137:30 people that disagree with me. I I feel like I feel like I'd be doing you guys a disservice um if I didn't let Sam up. So, I say, "Let's go and get Sam up on the live. Sam, I'd like to talk to you." Uh, because at at the end of the day, um, I do I do genuinely want to try. Here's the way I Here's the way I think. I do genuinely want to try to be the best possible version of myself and um that that that has genuinely always been something that that I've tried to do, especially uh with the with the position I've been in for the last couple years. I find it very important and I feel like it is it is it is an imperative. It's an
• 137:30 - 138:00 imperative to hold responsible for the bad things they do. Uh the more uh the more power and societal um control they possess. I I recognize I possess quite a bit. So, um I think it's very important to have a conversation with you, Sam. Um, my intentions are is to uh recognize and understand where I've personally went wrong um and to um move forward in a better direction. So Sam, if you'd like to take the mic, please feel free. Sure. One, I'm outside. I'm going to try going somewhere quieter. Two, I'm angry. So if I stutter, that's why. Now, this isn't just you. Um, but for the last
• 138:00 - 138:30 week, directly after Z said the racist [ __ ] that she said to those people, I immediativity and that he wanted to focus on the people that might lose their Medicaid and their food assistance as if I'm not actively affected by Medicaid. and food assistance. So, first of all, Johnny, if you're listening to this, you betrayed the of me. And what does she mean when she says as if I'm not actively affected by Medicaid and food? What does she mean exactly when she says that? Cuz that sounded like the wildest equivocation I've ever heard in
• 138:30 - 139:00 my entire life. You think cutting food stamps doesn't mean anything to me? Excuse me. Do you know how many fans email me who have had family members who have known people who were on food stamps and you think it really doesn't impact me at all? Do you know what the mental health burden is of reading their cries and black people? And if you call yourself an advocate, me and Rare owed an apology. Number one. Number two, if you called who an advocate, what? So, first of all, Johnny, if you're listening to this, you betrayed the of
• 139:00 - 139:30 me and black people. And if you call yourself an advocate, betrayed all black people. Damn. Me and Rare owed an apology. Number one. Number two, moving forward. The day that that man came up on your live to tell you about what Z did, I sent both you and Parker links to the live stream where Z said what she said. I also posted when Johnny shut me and Ray down and posted the live link YouTube video in my Discord with timestamps. And after that, the day
• 139:30 - 140:00 before yesterday, when Dan did a 7hour live about Alina, Jaden and me told him in the comment section that Z was racist and Dan went out of his way to say that he didn't want to talk about that out loud and he wanted to talk about that off camera. Oh, how convenient for Dan. Dan H sounds like a white name, going to be honest. How convenient that Dan gets to deal with racism offline when these people deal with racism for their entire lives. online because that's where they live, but it's a lot because they look for it.
• 140:00 - 140:30 Now, as far as and they see it and everything. Any other thing that happened, I can't say anything about that. But what I will say is when me and Ry and other creators have been talking about this for over a week trying to tell you all, especially to your faces sometimes what she did and you treated us like we wereing crazy. That felt crazy. So, you know what? I can't tell you what you knew. I'm not in your brain. I can. Okay. But what I'm going to say is when we try and tell multiple people who were part of this tour what
• 140:30 - 141:00 happened and you shut us down, that was disrespectful as [ __ ] And also racist. That's what I want to say. Oh, and racist. God damn. Um, can can I tell you a little bit about like what I knew and when I knew it. Um, and then also I just I like how he asks permission to speak. Thank you. Thank you, Deie. Thank you. I want to thank you for coming up here and um and sharing your thoughts. I I listen like at the end of the day um even if it's like not for my personal self-interested advantage um I will always think that transparent and clear conversation um is is is is a good thing
• 141:00 - 141:30 and and [ __ ] I'll stand 10 toes down in that. I'll stand 10 tones down in that. All right. So So Sam, here's what I have to say. Um you asked me when I knew about this. I knew about this uh the day after it happened. Uh and I listened to um you know a clip of Z on the live uh you know giving microaggressions against black women. Uh and that's a fact. And that was before I left on the trip to Texas. And that's also a fact. Um the reason why I still decided to go on the trip to Texas and uh my thought processes after uh listening to the clip of Z being u you know perpetuating racist microaggressions uh to the black women in that space were as follows. Uh
• 141:30 - 142:00 first and foremost uh I heard about multiple fans uh that had bought plane tickets to go into Texas. So I felt as if I owed it to them to ensure that I was there. Um second of all I um at that moment began attempting to pressure Z uh into at least acknowledging what she did was wrong. Uh acknowledging that she needs to hold herself accountable. Isn't this like a little gross? This is basically firing and discrediting somebody for basically nothing. Looks like you're getting a IP ban for 3 days for being racist against black women. See you, Duke
• 142:00 - 142:30 men. Um, so hopefully she can deconstruct deconstruct um, you know, uh, her her racist microaggressions regardless if they're intentional or unintentional. The impact was clear. Okay. In retrospect, I think that was if I was a white person. No, if I was a black person. No, but Z's not a black person. What is she? Is she Asian? Is she What is she? If I was a black person and a white person was telling me, you need to learn how to deconstruct your microaggressions. I would kill myself. And we do game. A bad thing. I think I did something wrong. I think I [ __ ] up. Quite frankly, Sam, I
• 142:30 - 143:00 do. I think I [ __ ] up because I feel like in order to be willing to to to go the extra mile, you have to be willing to break the status quo. And I feel like in that circumstance, I I didn't break the status quo. I went with the status quo. Um, and what I should have done instead is I should have leveraged the fact that I have a large platform um to either say that she needs to hold accountable or I need to leave the tour. And I didn't do that and that was wrong and I realized that and I think that moving forward I need to do better. Sam, okay, while I appreciate the transparency, I have to ask cuz this was
• 143:00 - 143:30 my main contention. If you had this knowledge, why didn't you tell anyone else? I I did. I did. So, I mean like the first thing I did uh when I heard about this was I went to Parker uh also talk to Santana and I feel like my immediate response was to specifically talk uh to the BIPO creators that were on the trip uh and and have discussions uh with members of the BIPO community. I love how bipok just means black people. Can somebody lick me a single time? Oh, I have a bunch of bipok friends showing up and it's like 90% Native American. Bro, show me this ever happening ever.
• 143:30 - 144:00 Oh my god. We're going to talk about bipok issues today. Uh so on the agenda we were talking about the Cherokee tribe. Uh we've got the wet and wahoo or whatever from [ __ ] Canada. We've got like excuse me what in so far as what is the response, right? Like what is the response? So um but are you specifically asking why I didn't tell anybody else like speak about on live? Yes. Yeah. Why not? Um I I think like the reason why I didn't speak about it on live at the time was because I was scared. Um, and once again, that was another example of me going through the status quo and um, essentially like the impact of my action
• 144:00 - 144:30 regardless of um, you know, like my intent or or all else. Mhm. Let's get a phone call. Uh, regardless of all else uh, was wrong. You know, I I I think I I also was very anxious and um, I I didn't know how to navigate the fact that now this pack that had raised money um, from supporters and gotten like I think now $100,000 following the event um, it was bad. I was very anxious and I think what I what how I should have acted is how I previously described and um I should have done significantly better and I just want to recognize
• 144:30 - 145:00 that. Thank you. Okay, question number two. Friend of mine brings this up. Excellent question. Do you disavow disavow Johnny for shutting me and Ray down when we were trying to bring up the racism? Yeah, what about that? Join my team. You better say yes. Yeah, and I hope that he addresses it. Thank you. Okay, good. Also, to anyone wondering what I'm talking about, um go into my saved my only public saved on my account. Um, it's going to take you to a bunch of save videos from an account called uh, Soul Tai something something, but there's a person who posted all of this stuff on there. You can go there. You can go on my Discord and search the word racism. It'll probably come up. But
• 145:00 - 145:30 anyway, um, okay. And I suppose my last question is, um, when it comes to the other creators, cuz I know you can't answer for them. Um, is anyone going to like talk about it's got to be a troll. It's like 10 chill black people on the other side are like, I'm going to start turn the [ __ ] fan on and we're just going to make this as unbearable as possible. This [ __ ] white dude, he won't say [ __ ] to us. I swear to God, it'll be the funniest thing in the world. That's absolutely what's going on here. It has to be, right? I know you can't answer for them. Um, is anyone going to like
• 145:30 - 146:00 talk about how they just ignored the [ __ ] out of us and like treated us like we had no proof and had no basis for what we were saying? So, I'm unaware of like certain dynamics between you and other creators, but I I think like it should be addressed. I I like even though like I'm unaware of like the specific dynamics and this is like my first time like hearing about it. Uh I think it should be addressed the same way I'm addressing it now. Um and and the and the reason and the reason why I'm having this conversation with you, the reason why I I'm trying to do my best to be honest and to hold myself accountable is because this is what I say other people should do every single day. Uh and I'd be a hypocrite. I'd be a [ __ ] hypocrite if I didn't apply it to myself. Um and so yeah, in other
• 146:00 - 146:30 words, um yeah, I do think it should be addressed. I do think it should be talked about. Um because if it's not addressed and it's not and if it's not talked about, um then all of a sudden it'll happen again. People think it's okay, right? And I I don't think it's okay to ignore legitimate concerns and good faith critique. Um especially as it applies uh to black women in America today as black women in America today are one of the most marginalized groups of of people in this country. Thank you, King. Another question cuz I'm looking in the comments. If Johnny is here with the utmost respect, could you please add him cuz I would love to know what he has to say about this. Ooh. Uh-oh. Um yeah, for sure. Um we we'll go ahead and add
• 146:30 - 147:00 Johnny and that's that's fine by me. If he does happen to be here and he is here, I would like it to be known that and I mean in this circumstance, Johnny speaking for himself. Hello. Hi. First off, before I speak, I want to hear from you. Um Oh, no. I'm sorry. I don't know why I just said, "Oh, no. I There was literally no reason for me to do that. I'm sorry. Okay. And then I kind of want to explain what I knew at the time, but first, I want to hear from you because I'm learning a lot more as I'm going along here. And I want to make sure that
• 147:00 - 147:30 I'm not disrespecting anyway." And I mean that sincerely. So, tell me. I like how the language has become so pointlessly contrived. I want to make sure that I'm listening and learning and hearing you and I'm trying to learn and I mean that sincerely like I like how the language is that we have to add all these qualifiers what unfolded and then I'll try to fill in any gaps with what he knew. Um okay please take the floor. Well first of all frankly as far as disrespect it's a little bit too late for that but anyway do you recall he should have said okay and then dropped it the n word about a
• 147:30 - 148:00 week ago when I and Ray neoliberal came up on mermaids live. We introduced ourselves, we complimented mermaid, and then I tried to tell you about what happened on that live where, by the way, if you don't know, her full name, the racist in question is Z Cohen Sanchez. If anyone was wondering, that's her name again. Z Cohen Sanchez. She has an account on here with like 60K. Do that. Jesus. Information what you will. Gee, oh, I love the directed harassment campaigns. I know which white [ __ ] I'm going after tonight. What would you What was her name? Can I get her social security number and an address? We're
• 148:00 - 148:30 going to destroy this chick's life. What? She thinks she can organize? Are you ser? You're not even a black woman. You're not even a black woman. Cohen. Cohen. Oh. Oh, I get it. I get it now. I understand what's happening here. Not surprising at all. That's her name again. Z Cohen Sanchez. She has an account here with like 60K. Do with that information what you will. We came up and we tried to tell you that she was
• 148:30 - 149:00 racist. And as we tried to tell you that, you cut me off in the middle of my sentence. Ironically, with the phrase, look at this. I've never seen a more racist person in my life. She helps down ballot bigots win big. Basically, Z. Cohen Sanchez started soul strategies to amplify marginalized voices vying for local and state seats. Throughout her years working on political campaigns across the US, Z Coen Sanchez saw firsthand the inequities that plague the electoral process. The voices leading our country and making important decisions are
• 149:00 - 149:30 primarily white older men who have very different lived experiences than the people they are making decisions for. She says Sanchez decided that she wanted to help individuals in the political space with the potential to uplift their communities but who are not traditionally heard from. So in 2020 she started Boulder City Nevada based Salt Strategies to work with candidates on organizing, staffing, and running their campaigns. And while Sanchez has had to battle misogyny nearly every step of the way, she now counts over 400 campaigns in her portfolio. Many of them wins. Hold on. I'm so sorry. Okay, I'm like half trolling throughout all of this,
• 149:30 - 150:00 but I like can I be super sincere? This might be bridge burning. I don't know. My bridge is already probably burned. Apparently all this film anyway. Um Dean and Parker, these guys are actually spineless cuck disgusting losers that they would seriously burn a bridge like this with somebody um for some crazy radical black loser who's going to lose their interest in politics in 12 months when they don't get exactly what they want out of it and they graduate and they go to do something in the real world. is absolutely insanely disgusting that this woman is being cut out. Like somebody who's actually spent like part
• 150:00 - 150:30 of their adult life, like the only part of your life that matters, okay, when you're actually outside of your parents womb or at least the financial support that they provide, okay, that somebody who's actually spent part of their life, adult life, like building campaigns and [ __ ] and trying to help marginalized voices. The fact that going on to a live and saying something like, "Hey, it doesn't help when you guys say [ __ ] like this." Uh that they're getting completely cut out from this now is [ __ ] gross. I don't know what the fundraising for that pack looks like, but if um if these guys are going to cut her out and all that [ __ ] you should just give the money back or give it to somebody who's actually going to use it
• 150:30 - 151:00 instead of whatever cringe disgusting weird [ __ ] like you guys are going to waste it on. It's actually insane. Do we actually know what she said? Um unless there's some missing crazy like nword saga that we missed. It sounds like she went on to a live and basically told them, "Hey, like stop saying that this is disorganized as or super disorganized. It makes the people that are working here feel like shit." And then we were like, "Ah, we are black and we feel like shit." and uh I can't believe you would tell us and blah blah blah. It was insane, but holy [ __ ] Um this is insane and unhinged and disgusting, but you know,
• 151:00 - 151:30 I don't mean to cut you off. And you said we're not trying to keep things negative right now. Also, I don't know what it is, and I don't know why, but black women with this hairstyle and these glasses are the equivalent to the white woman with fringe, the crazy fringe. I don't know what it is about this. Um, like the Wait, is it this fringe? I don't know what it is about like the like the long kind of curly hair and then the these glasses. I don't know why, but they're
• 151:30 - 152:00 always [ __ ] insane. I don't know why. I don't know why. Don't ask me. I don't make the rules, okay? I'm just an observer of reality. Um, we're trying to focus on the people who will be affected by Medicaid and food assistance. As if we're not both Medicaid recipients and food assistance recipients. And as if that somehow trumps the fact that racism actively happened. So that was pretty [ __ ] up actually. What's that about? So I want to point out that assistance recipients and Medicaid and food assistance. As if we're not both Medicaid recipients and food assistance recipients and as if that somehow trumps
• 152:00 - 152:30 the fact that racism actively happened. I don't know what is even the point of this. So that was pretty [ __ ] up actually. What's that about? How is it not racist to call them DEI hires? She didn't call them DEI hires. She said that because of the video that that one Payton guy had said, some people were calling them dehyers or something like that. So, I want to point out that you know that I tend to attempt to stay out of situations regarding streamers or quote unquote drama, which that's not what this is. At that time, I didn't know
• 152:30 - 153:00 that. I didn't know about the situation. So, when I saw you folks come up, knowing that we were in the midst of a conversation in regards to food assistance and knowing that um the situation probably was going to be about other streamers, I immediately had the response of, "Well, let's keep it on this. I shouldn't have done that because if I didn't do that, you would have told me about the racism right from the get- go, which would have a stopped me from bringing Mermaid further into the situation because my goal was never to create an unsafe environment for her. I wanted her to have a really good time, which is why I really fought to get her there." Um, so I want to make that evident one. Um, I should have let you speak on it. I didn't because I wanted
• 153:00 - 153:30 to focus on Medicaid and food assistance. That was wrong with me. Um, and then two, I want to say I sincerely apologize about that. And I mean that genuinely because as I started to kind of get an understanding of what was going on, I should have called you and I should have said, "Hey, let's talk about this." Um, in part, I decided not to and I decided just to cut myself out of the equation altogether because I saw that you had a live stream with um, a couple other streamers and I know that you folks were really unhappy with me and I felt as though if I stepped up and showed my face that would only inflame more division between folks during the midst of this event in Texas and I didn't want to make the situation about
• 153:30 - 154:00 myself in any way, shape or form. So, I kind of just cut myself out of it altogether, which again was definitely not the right way to go about it because that created more of an issue and a lack of transparency, which one says, "Sam, how the hell did you get a flag?" Do Tik Tok. Are you okay with remaining up here on this account or do you want to switch accounts? If so, my other accounts are banned, too. Um, they don't like black people, which seems to be an ongoing uh theme. But anyway, um what's it called? Do you want me to drop for now or No, no, no. I want you to stay up here for as long as you want. And I mean, even after you're done talking to Danny, uh, Danny, Johnny, as soon as you're done talking to me, uh, as soon as you're
• 154:00 - 154:30 done talking, sorry, I'm um, as soon as you're done talking to Johnny, um, I'd like to maybe have a little bit of a further conversation with you, but um, go ahead, you guys. Okay. Um, Ray is texting me right now. Ray told me she sent you the live in question. Mhm. I got more information afterwards. And as I learned this information, I should have connected with you, too. I decided not to. And I also spoke to Ray and I explained that you and Ry and anybody else who felt a certain way about the situation has the right to express their feelings and their thoughts and their concerns and that it's my job to listen that um my goal overall is to attempt to
• 154:30 - 155:00 do some good here. That's my mission. My belief is that we're put on this planet to uplift one another and others which is my attempt to cut myself out of these situations. But I think again that doesn't always serve me well. And this is a prime example of how it didn't. I should have connected with you. I should have let you speak on the matter and I shouldn't have been so focused on let's talk about these issues. Let's talk about Medicaid. Let's talk about Medicare when when this was critically important and it would have helped me and especially Mermaid in the long run because again if I knew this was happening at that time beforehand and I really understood the entire extent of what was happening I probably would have just said Mermaid Johnny we're not going to do this let's take a step back. Um
• 155:00 - 155:30 but I didn't do that. I was also well aware um that a lot of us were going with the intent on meeting young voters and so a lot of folks weren't connecting behind the scenes on this information just in part because can't believe you entered in the techn earlier. This is a content goal that can lead to the next big arc. Bro, I would get cancelled from everything. If I were to start arguing with these people, it would be the end. And my audience, unironically, I would probably foster a lot of racism in my audience because these people are [ __ ] unbearable. We were so focused on, well, here's what we're going to create there.
• 155:30 - 156:00 Here's what videos we're going to make here. Who's here, this is what we're going to talk to, and who we're going to talk with, and we had conversations about who we're going to debate and and what kind of issues we want to talk about. My issue I wanted to talk about was food assistance. So, we spent more time on that. And I think that again, this is an example of why trying to cut myself out of an equation doesn't serve me well. It didn't. here. Okay. Um, I have to ask cuz I feel like a lot of the time people just think racism is saying slurs and stereotyping, but do do you acknowledge that when a person of color says the word racism and they're immediately cut off that that's racist? Absolutely. What the
• 156:00 - 156:30 [ __ ] Please, if you're a black woman and you're down for I'll fully fund you and three black friends. I just want to I'm so curious how far you could get. I'm so curious how how far you could get. No, cuz we shouldn't be trying to destroy our own side. I think you could fully bring down entire progressive orgs but with just four dedicated black women just creating the most insane [ __ ] rules everywhere. I bet you could do it. Jesus Christ. I I also want to make clear here. My intent was never to cut you off in the
• 156:30 - 157:00 manner to stop you from speaking on this issue. It was that I didn't know what the issue was and so I wanted to talk about the issue that was already being discussed at hand. I shouldn't have done that. I should have given you the opportunity to speak more on the subject. And I am sincerely sorry for that. And I hope you know I mean that this is a good learning opportunity for me in the sense that one instead of trying to cut myself out of an equation I shouldn't do that again. Um and two I need to ensure that to properly offer transparency cuz overall this situation like across the board with the tort lacked it I need to be doing my part. That part especially in that moment was to let you speak. I didn't do that.
• 157:00 - 157:30 Okay. Um all right. Well that aside um whether or not I accept that apology I don't know. I doubt that we're everyone. Well I Dude, she is in her queen arc. She's like, "Do I accept that apology? Maybe, maybe not. I'm never talking to you again, bitch." Oh my god. Um, whether or not I accept that apology, I don't know. I doubt that we're ever going to be here. So, well, I want to add here, I think it's also critically important
• 157:30 - 158:00 that communicating on this going forward, she's like, "Turn up the fan. Turn up the fan while I do this bit." is at the forefront of the actions we're taking because a lot of this could have been avoided through communication. When that situation unfolded, the first messages I had received were from Ry and Ray had explained that you folks were expressing your beliefs and your emotions over the situation, but I really wish we had a one-on-one. I like how they say you folks so it's not you guys so that it's not like sexist discussion. Um, I think it's important to just express that we could really
• 158:00 - 158:30 communicate in a transparent way to offer more I suppose well I guess to ensure that there's not an argument or a fight again because my mission here is to do good. I I just don't want to be creating stress for anybody else. Um I I think there were a lot of live streams that have been held about other people. I know for example you were on a live stream with um Julie and a live stream with or Tashika and a live stream with Ray and I've heard a lot of the things that have been said about me and a lot of accusations said about me and a lot of rhetoric said about me and I'm trying to take a step back not to step into that in order to one keep myself away from
• 158:30 - 159:00 any issues and and two I think that all of that really could just be avoided if we continue conversing through proper dialogues and conversations and one-on-one in a transparent manner. Um and I mean that sincerely. Okay. Um I think a one-on-one conversation would have been great. I completely agree. too late for that. Julie said that she texted you twice. And Ray said that she texted you and then the last person to speak in that text conversation is her. Ray and I had a conversation back and forth in regards to that situation. Um, as far as Julie Julie I I don't I've not
• 159:00 - 159:30 spoken to Julie in well over weeks before that. Um, there were some there was information that I did I just freeze? Never mind. There was information that I had received and again I tried to take a step back and again I I mean this so sincerely and genuinely. I heard information. We're to everybody tuning in. Please know what I mean this early. I heard rhetoric that was spoken by listen [ __ ] get the [ __ ] in. He's like playing he's like playing racism twister. He's like the I heard a thing from from you from folks um and it was
• 159:30 - 160:00 about a person of um color bipok and uh the it was an incorrect. It was like bro what the [ __ ] Julie that I don't support. It's like Ben Shaver crawling, but it's it's a black woman with like his his Tik Tok handle like right on her lips. She's like ready to say like aim right at like um and so I chose to again take a step back from any drama because I attempt to not put myself first in those situations. And my goal here is just to deliver some good. Um if I'm doing that,
• 160:00 - 160:30 then I'm doing my mission. I took a step back and decided um no longer to speak to her. This is a really this is right. This is like not the oneonone conversation I was looking for. It's like this is like the end of the movie for like how you end up defeating like Chad GPT in some Terminator 7 Chad GPT movie. It just has to be like a black woman going up to the robot and expecting it to address her correctly and then it malfunctions and it just [ __ ] explodes. Um it it feels like I don't know. This is again like I'm not trying to sound like a victim. That's not what I feel like I'm putting myself first again. That's what this is what I
• 160:30 - 161:00 wanted to avoid. This is what I wanted to avoid. Um I think we're past a one-on-one conversation realistically. Um to be frank uh I I I have very few like absolute nos when it comes to friendship. My boundaries are bigotry and lying to me. My b I have very few absolute nos. My boundaries are bigotry which encompasses about 97% of the behavior that you've exhibited today. You white demon and lying to me which whatever who knows what the that means. And uh you
• 161:00 - 161:30 tap danced on the first one. So, I don't I don't want to have a one-on-one conversation. And if it were to be a one-on-one conversation, um it would have to be recorded. Sure. So, and I understand that and I'm happy to have that conversation. For what? You should have taken a racism court. What does that even mean? Um however, we can move forward in a way that is doing the most good for others as I think the most productive way is to ensure we're working together as we have one shared mission. We do all come from different backgrounds and different stances and values. Look at this guy. You all you
• 161:30 - 162:00 don't come you all come from the same background which is wealthy as white as middle class or upper middle class families that all go to colleges. Okay, that's all of you. This is the whitest Tik Tok call I've ever heard in my entire [ __ ] life. Okay, and we're all learning on this in a manner that while yes, we're online and there's expectations as online digital personalities or influencers. We're also people who have the shared mission of doing some good for the community around us. Whether that's investing in as said Medicare food assistance or ensuring that we're fighting for a woman's right to choose, that's where our focus ought to be. Um, and that's what we ought to want to work to deliver on. Um, what we
• 162:00 - 162:30 ought to want to Are you trying to tell her using AEV? By the way, you're trying to tell her what she's supposed to want. If that's, you know, being impeded on by matters like this, then we should work in a way to resolve them. Um, please tell him that he has no right to tell you what to want or what to work on. Please let that be your first thing. I don't need you to tell me what I need to work on, white boy. Thank you. That's my mission. That's my goal. I mean that sincerely. Um, I think that around the entire situation folks are being uplifted who are involved in the equation. Oh, she
• 162:30 - 163:00 was going to say, but she's like, "Hold on, get the fan. Turn the fan on again." When I start talking, hold on. I've seen folks speak in like poor rhetoric involving me, involving um mermaid, involving uh uh Dan, involving uh Santana, people bullying each other, mocking each other, harassing each other. This isn't the way to communicate. Doing live streams where we entertain in front of others and perpetuate this and drag other folks into it. Sure, you need to express these situations because public opinion is important and it makes a movement and it gets work done, but we need to do this in a way where we're not mocking others, where we're not belittling others, where
• 163:00 - 163:30 we're not putting others down. Um, because I've seen a lot of the rhetoric being used and it's so disheartening and I assume that we all have a shared stance that there's no place in this mission for harassment or bullying. Wrong. Okay, take him out. Dean, um, a question. Um, in the event that Z does not uh have like accountability for her racism, sorry, I'm outside. It's all good. Don't worry. No, I mean even though there's a little background noise, we can still hear you. In the event, listen cocky is we got it's okay, queen. Please, it's okay.
• 163:30 - 164:00 That Z does not apologize for racism and considering uh people have called her out on her account and they said uh she said something along the lines of uh this is why uh people call us like the woke left, yada yada yada. Um what's if you if you don't know this question, like answer the question, that's fine. I don't expect you to. Um what's going to happen with the tour? Oh. Oh yeah. No. Well, we've already determined it. So we've already stepped away from Z. I mean, so earlier we met with all the creators and the conclusion is uh either she steps she steps down. She's no longer the organizer. She's no longer involved with the with the with the pack. Get her the [ __ ] out of Who is this lady anyway? What does she even do?
• 164:00 - 164:30 Or we move on from the pack. That's it. So, um yeah, that's that's a simple answer. Um and that's the anonymous consensus that we've seen. And uh yeah, that's uh that's why I came on live today to share. And um I also really appreciate you for popping up here and having a conversation with me, John. Is there anything else you want to add on specifically? Yeah, I think last part is just it's important to understand here that the creators who are involved are people. I'm a person. Dean's a person. We are people. Mermaid's a person. Santana's a person. Sam's a person. We're all people. No one cares. The way that we really ought to deal with these
• 164:30 - 165:00 situations is with more transparency, accountability, speaking through communicative manners that offer real dialogue. And we do so in a way that doesn't mock or harass one another. And we do so in a way that creates more of a wrong educating environment. You should be harassed. Again, there were a lot of non informative. You don't get to police how black people respond to trauma and racism. White boy, a lack of transparency in some situations. There were lies, outright blatant lies. Um, and a lot of moving pieces and not a great communicative structure for like
• 165:00 - 165:30 how folks were learning about these situations. I don't know. I I just I take it as what it is, folks who are listening in or don't. Um, some folks get entertainment out of this, but for a lot of folks there, these are parents. Um, these are folks who have 9 to5 just like you. These are folks who are just trying to do some good in their community and there's situations like this along the way, which is a learning opportunity for so many. Um, please treat it as what it is. Let us learn from this. All of us learn from this on the tour. And um, please, please, please don't mock or belittle these people or or send hate in the way of somebody like
• 165:30 - 166:00 try to educate here. Try to educate. I I think that we're people. That's true. But I also think that, you know, um, like the black women who are affected by um, you know, like the racist microaggressions used are people. than even in the a larger conversation of um you know uh racism uh used against women in America today on a whole lot are people that's why these conversations are important um that's why I need to do better but Johnny I guess I'm going to uh go back just talk to Sam for some things I should say okay um I guess that was the the last thing I wanted to say aside from this and you can do what you
• 166:00 - 166:30 want with your platform but uh considering uh he's the only person until today that has done anything to support the black women uh that microaggressed and just straight up aggressed um that were micro progressor aggress uh by Z. Um and also speaking of when one of said women uh Emma tried to talk about her experience in one of the comments of mermaid videos, Chris actively told her that quote, "The burden of proof is on her to prove that Z was racist." Even Are you [ __ ] serious? I didn't know about that. My bad. That a black woman was asked to
• 166:30 - 167:00 prove something. What the [ __ ] What? Yo, Chris actively told her that quote, "The burden of proof is on her to prove that Z was racist, even though there are already clips and whatnot circulating." That was [ __ ] up, Chris. Anyway, um before I leave, really dead. Go to Mermaid's page. You're going to see on her page. Um she posted her debating someone while she was on the tour. Go down into the bottom of the comments and there's going to be a comment thread with like 30 comments in it.
• 167:00 - 167:30 And she literally said, "Prove it." like her being black and speaking it didn't cause it to become reality instantaneously. Don't worry, they're coming back. Hold on, guys. I think that, you know, like two things could be true at once. I I do think that Payton uh did a lot of good. I specifically uh like calling out like the microaggressions that he had used against black women on the panel. However, it's also the case that uh I have some reservations against him as well. I guess maybe maybe we could like
• 167:30 - 168:00 discuss them. Maybe that's a good thing. Maybe we could have dialogue about uh my the reservations I hold against him and you know, the positions that he holds as well. Maybe that's important. You said like discuss him. No, discuss discuss them like um you know, whatever he wants to talk about as well as like the reservations that I have with him as well. Okay. All right. Well, um Sam, is there anything else you want to go over? Um no, just that. Okay. Well, I appreciate you, Sam. I hope you have a good rest of your day. And on a serious note, just before you leave here real quick, um I don't know if like you or other people watching have been able to tell, um I I've this has made me uncomfortable, but I I think that's a good thing. In fact, no, [ __ ] I I know that's a good thing. Um I think that white people need to be uncomfortable a
• 168:00 - 168:30 little bit more often. So, um True. Yeah, completely agreed. In fact, uh, if we're talking about white people should be as uncomfortable as possible. I fully support this because white people have just lived far too comfortable for far too long. We need to do something with these whies. True. Queen racism. If a conversation is not making white people uncomfortable, it's not a good conversation. Exactly. That's exact. That's how I feel about black people. Somebody understands me. Yes, queen. I mean, white people. That's right. Sam, I hope you have a good rest of your day. Thank you. All right, chat. Um, yeah.
• 168:30 - 169:00 What do you guys What do you guys want me to do? Um, do you want me to bring up Payton for a little bit? Maybe have a little bit more dialogue. Um, and by the way, like I I want to point out like the big reason why I'm having like this dialogue is yes, because I want to be able to um hold myself accountable and become a better person always. Uh, as well as just be like super transparent and I kind of like uh really value transparency in my platform. My platform is I just want to say if Aspen Gold ever discovers this drama, then the left is lost. It's it's all over. Okay. out of
• 169:00 - 169:30 transparency of discussion and but like also simultaneously I I I want this conversation to to to flow. I feel like too often um you know conversation on on these matters it doesn't happen uh and then issues are continually uh perpetuated. People continue to get hurt. Uh I think that these conversations need to happen. Um but yeah, we we'll talk to we'll talk to Payton for a little bit. I have some reservations with him. I'm not going to lie. Mhm. I I'll let him up for a little bit and then I'm going to hop off. Then I'm going to hop off. Maybe I don't know if you heard me
• 169:30 - 170:00 there, but um essentially I I think that you've done a lot of really good things. Um why didn't you talk about any of those when you were on live though, bro? This is the worst group of people ever. Holy [ __ ] Oh my god. How do you live in this world? P what? Uh when you were on live earlier. Why Why not bring that up when you're on live earlier like referencing like this live but when it started or like talk about what specifically? All you had to say was negative things about and how you guys were heroes for speaking up about this now. But I'm just super curious why that why that didn't
• 170:00 - 170:30 come up earlier. I was super cool for speaking out about this. I mean I I think that if if you would like listen to me since I've begun the live. I mean I started this good actually. I've watched the entire time. Okay. Well then I mean you know that I haven't been having conversations about how I'm a hero. Um actually you have multiple times but that's okay. Um I have a question for you. Well pay before we move on. Would you be able to like quote like specific instances just so I can better understand or like oh wait [ __ ] Oh this is we already listened to this one. Oh no we've spoiled it. [ __ ] we jumped ahead. Okay. Well, like like interpersonally that I can't I
• 170:30 - 171:00 can't invite all of your black friends. You said yourself that you did not want to be a part of this tour anymore. If she was a part of the tour, yes. Okay. So, then did you get Don't you think that after that? So, don't you think that after that after you already making a video some debates? I don't know. Should should we do debates? I don't I don't know. I don't I don't know. Am I in the mood? I don't know if I'm in the mood. I don't I don't know if I'm in the mood for debates. I'm not going to lie. Um, maybe maybe we should just come back tomorrow. Maybe I should go get some dinner uh with my with my girlfriend. And like honestly, um, is she white? You
• 171:00 - 171:30 know, I I I think that I need to take time to reflect on live, off life. What? You know what I mean? True. Like, let's be honest right now. Uh, a lot of my attention is on you guys, the chat, and it needs to be on his own internalized racism. Okay, that grew 100 sizes this conversation. I think for me to, you know, kind of process um everything. This is why people in these extreme far leftist places, this is why they reflect on their racism so often. It's not because they're so aware of their racism and normal people aren't. It's because
• 171:30 - 172:00 these spaces constantly make them more racist every single day and they have to fight against everything that was shared uh and everything that I said as well in a more genuine meaningful manner. Uh I should probably just not do debates today and um go get some food. True. I'm going to go and end. Um, I I I would like to appreciate and thank everybody so much for joining in the stream today, especially the black people. And I'm gonna do something interesting here. Uh, even the people that came in here um, you know, to like see conversations unfold, uh, with uh, individuals uh, who have uh, made, you know, who have who have critiqued me, I want to thank you
• 172:00 - 172:30 as well. Um, just want to thank everybody. What what I really want at the end of the day is just a space where free, transparent conversation could be held between rational people uh, who are not only willing to call out when other individuals [ __ ] up, but also willing to hold themselves accountable when they do. Um, wow. See you tomorrow. Peace, love. Goodbye. Wow. Well, howing uh cancer aids was that? Jesus Christ.