Trump's Liberation Day Tariffs HEATED Debate w/ Sam Seder | PBD Podcast | Ep. 570

Summary

In this episode of the PBD Podcast, a heated discussion unfolds with guest Sam Seder on topics ranging from Trump's tariff policies proposed as "Liberation Day" tariffs, to debates on wealth disparity, taxation, and the challenges facing the Democratic Party. The conversation dives deep into the philosophical divides between progressive and conservative viewpoints, touching upon national security, trade deficits, and the implications of leadership in America. With contentious debates and emotional moments, the episode unravels various perspectives, highlighted by real-world impacts and ideological battles.

Highlights

• Fiery debates on the practicality and morality of Trump's proposed tariffs and their implications for American industry 🔥
• Sam Seder argues for progressive taxation amidst discussions of economic disparity 💸
• PBD hosts cross-examine Seder on the efficiency and fairness of government. 🤔
• Father of a Texas high school student shows immense grace, offering forgiveness after his son was tragically stabbed at a track meet 🌟
• Contentious exchange on political responsibility and future strategies of the Democratic Party 🗳️

Key Takeaways

• Sam Seder joins the PBD Podcast, sparking fiery debates about economics and political leadership 🔥
• Trump announces 'Liberation Day' tariffs aimed at boosting American industry 🇺🇸
• A deep dive into progressive vs. conservative ideology on handling trade deficits and taxation on the wealthy 💰
• Insights into the 2024 elections and the strategic positioning of political figures 👀
• Touching moral story about forgiveness following a tragic incident at a Texas high school 💔

Overview

In an intense episode of the PBD Podcast, Sam Seder joins the hosts to debate pressing political and economic issues. The episode opens up with a discussion on Trump's newly announced 'Liberation Day' tariffs, which aim to revitalize American industry by imposing new import charges. This controversial move sparks a heated debate over trade policies and their long-term effects on the U.S economy.

The conversation then shifts to broader economic philosophies, focusing on wealth distribution and the merits of Sam Seder's progressive stance versus conservative ideals. These ideological differences highlight the challenges facing both the Democratic and Republican parties as they gear up for upcoming elections.

Amidst the heated discussions, the episode also touches on a deeply emotional story - a Texas father’s act of forgiveness after his son was tragically murdered at a school track meet. This poignant moment serves as a powerful reminder of faith and humanity amidst tragedy, contrasting sharply with the more contentious political debates.

Chapters

• 00:00 - 01:30: Introduction and Initial Banter The chapter opens with applause as Adam starts with an optimistic tone, stating that the future looks bright. The atmosphere is lighthearted with initial banter as Adam humorously remarks that his handshake is better than anything he has signed. He acknowledges the uniqueness and significance of the moment by referring to his son and introduces the episode as number 570. The guest for this chapter is a very rich man named Sam CER, setting the stage for a potentially interesting conversation.
• 01:30 - 03:00: Sam Seder's Return The chapter titled 'Sam Seder's Return' features a conversation with Sam Seder, a guest who is known for having differing viewpoints. The host acknowledges Sam's previous appearances on the platform and expresses respect for Sam's willingness to engage in discussions about opposing ideas. Sam Seder humorously mentions his fondness for rich people, claiming that some of his best friends belong to that group. The host jokes about Sam’s alleged willingness to impose a 90% tax on the wealthy, setting a playful tone for the discussion.
• 03:00 - 08:00: Discussion on Democratic Party and Its Challenges The chapter opens with a light-hearted exchange acknowledging wealth, highlighting a humorous dialogue about being rich. It then shifts to the main discussion points, which address the complexities and challenges within the Democratic Party. Although presented through a somewhat casual tone, topics include controversial tax rates for the wealthy and the media's portrayal of political figures and events.
• 08:00 - 21:00: Debate on Taxation and Economic Policies The chapter discusses various economic topics and news items, starting with growing frustration with Commerce Secretary Howard Lotnik in light of an upcoming tariff announcement by former President Trump. It highlights criticism of Lotnik, describing him as a 'Loose Cannon with Half Baked ideas.'
• 21:00 - 28:00: The Role of Government and Policy Making The chapter discusses the influence of government and policymaking on various sectors, including career prospects for Gen Z, media perspectives, and market dynamics surrounding social media platforms. It highlights debates over the economic and social implications of current policies and market decisions.
• 28:00 - 31:00: Trump's Liberation Day Tariffs Announcement The chapter discusses several news stories, including a statement by Trump about Liberation Day Tariffs, revealing uncertainty about its spokesperson. Various stories about media personalities like Vanguard Sam and Sam Cedar are mentioned, along with anecdotes about Ana Kasparian and Cenk Uygur from The Young Turks. It is suggested these might be past events. The chapter also touches on an incident involving Elon Musk and Tesla regarding tax issues, and there are accusations towards Barack Obama for allegedly undermining Kamala Harris’s political efforts. A new book is mentioned which reveals this information. Additionally, there's a brief note about a school ban in Nevada, though details are sparse.
• 31:00 - 35:00: Tariffs and Economic Impact Discussion This chapter discusses various topics, starting with a policy reversal where schools are banned from allowing transgender athletes to compete in girls' sports, signaling a significant shift in state policy.
• 35:00 - 50:00: Debate on Wealth, Politics, and Influence The chapter delves into various contentious issues concerning wealth, politics, and influence. It begins with a discussion on health agencies involved in monitoring diseases and regulating food. The focus then shifts to a female fencer who staged a protest against transgender opponents by taking a knee and forfeiting her match. This act of protest is debated in the context of sports and equality. The chapter also covers a tragic incident involving a high school football star, Austin Midcap, who was stabbed in the heart and died in his twin brother's arms during a track meet, eliciting strong reactions from the father. The emotional narrative underscores the complex intersection of sports, safety, and youth. Finally, the chapter briefly mentions Elon Musk and touches on an incident related to the Wisconsin Supreme Court.
• 50:00 - 60:00: Discussion on Immigration and Social Issues The chapter opens with a discussion on various social and political issues, highlighting recent news events. Among these are the legal outcomes affecting Tesla's sales, speculative reports on a possible departure of a key executive from Trump's White House, and a controversial narrative surrounding a shooting in Nashville. The chapter underscores the polarized portrayal of the shooter's identity and motives across different media outlets. As a prelude to the main podcast discussion, the hosts also mention efforts to promote their campaign for the 'future looks bright' gear, indicating a milestone in their marketing endeavors.
• 60:00 - 75:00: Right-Wing Politics and Influence This chapter delves into how consumer products, like RFID-protected wallets, are being marketed within right-wing political circles. Val Tainment's introduction of these wallets touts both security features and ideological symbols, such as 'future looks bright' signs, potentially linking consumerism with political identity. Moreover, the marketing strategy includes promotional offers like free leather keychains, indicating a blend of traditional marketing with ideological branding.
• 75:00 - 85:00: Stephen A. Smith's Criticism of Democratic Party In this chapter, the focus is on Stephen A. Smith's criticism of the Democratic Party. The excerpt begins with a brief promotional message about Valuetainment branded products, emphasizing their popularity and quick sales. Following this, the chapter is intended to move into a discussion with Sam, potentially revisiting topics or questions from a previous discussion two years prior. The detailed critique or points of discussion concerning the Democratic Party are not visible in the transcript provided, suggesting further content would elaborate on Smith's viewpoints.
• 85:00 - 95:00: Future of Democratic Leadership The chapter discusses a period when former President Trump was not experiencing success or support within his party. This season of political struggle led to skepticism among Republicans about his viability as a candidate for future elections. There was a split within the party, and some members anticipated other leaders, like DeSantis, could emerge as potential candidates. Even when Trump announced his run at Mar-a-Lago, the event was notably lacking in attendees, highlighting the internal divisions and waning support within the party.
• 95:00 - 106:00: Tragic Story of Texas High School Football Star This chapter highlights a CNN report that discusses the current state of the Democratic Party, according to recent polls. Voter approval for Democrats in Congress is significantly low, with 68% disapproving and only 21% approving. These numbers represent a historical low, as reported by Kipc University. The focus is on understanding what has happened to cause such a drop in approval rates.
• 106:00 - 116:20: Reflection and Closing Remarks The chapter titled 'Reflection and Closing Remarks' presents a critical view of the current polling numbers, focusing on the dissatisfaction among Democratic voters. The transcript reveals a troubling scenario where a significant plurality of Democratic voters—49%—disapprove of the Democrats in Congress, compared to only 40% who approve. The commentary emphasizes the severity of this disapproval and its potential impact on the Democratic Party's standing, suggesting that this shift in voter sentiment is a driving force behind the party's challenges.

Trump's Liberation Day Tariffs HEATED Debate w/ Sam Seder | PBD Podcast | Ep. 570 Transcription

• 00:00 - 00:30 [Applause] Adam what's your point the future looks bright my handshake is better than anything I ever signed right here you are a one of one my son's right I think said this okay so episode 570 we have a very rich man here today Sam CER he's a he's
• 00:30 - 01:00 a guy that loves rich people he just you know anybody that's a billionaire his favorite people absolute big fan and he's going to tell us why today we've had him on before I always respect anybody that is willing to come on that may have opposing ideas to sit down have a conversation Sam it's great to have you back on here again it's it's a pleasure to be here I just want to say that some of my best friends are rich people I believe you I believe that you have a lot of rich friends trust me I believe you now the question is you want them to get tax 90% but uh we'll have
• 01:00 - 01:30 that conversation as well g a lot of stor top top marginal rate of of 90 of 90% right but you're rich too Sam let's not you know no I am rich as well Rich too I know you're rich too okay we got a lot of stories to talk about uh Sam uh uh is obviously a Die Hard fan of Elam musk he wants to give some more praise to him today we'll talk a little bit about him we'll talk about terrorist with Liberation day uh one of the stories CNBC host hits Trump with insult he'll hate amid uh tanking stock market
• 01:30 - 02:00 we'll talk about that story frustration grows with Commerce Secretary Howard lotnik ahead of Trump's tariff announcement Loose Cannon with Half Baked ideas another story about private companies added 155,000 jobs in March more than expected ADP says Hooters bankruptcy devastating for a lot of people $376 million debt and restructuring Charlie Javis must wear an ankle monitor despite her budding
• 02:00 - 02:30 Pilates career judge rules gen Z is facing a career apocalypse Stephen A Smith drops mountain of receives on MSNBC writer who called his Mega mouthpiece we'll play that clip ESPN's Monica mcnut claims Caitlyn Clark is popular because she's a white girl from Middle America this Tik Tock deal is getting very interesting we don't know whether Amazon's going to bite whether andrees and horo is going to bite whether they're both going to be involved there a lot of uh interesting people saying they're going to buy it so
• 02:30 - 03:00 eventually one person will who that is we don't know there's a couple stories here with Vanguard Sam guard gets real Sam uh Cedar gets real about Anna casparian and Jen yuger spills the tea on The Young Turks I think that may be an older story but we'll cover it anyway since it's been a couple years Elam mus to the five on Tesla attacks we know who is behind it and we are coming for them Obama was working against Kamala Harris behind the scenes didn't think she could win new book reveals Nevada School ban
• 03:00 - 03:30 uh ban uh uh schools ban trans athletes from girl Sports in major reversal reversal from State we'll cover that part and then we got a couple other stories here Democrats approval rating remains low uh Point uh unhinged Jasmine Crockett roasts herself by admitting she is a Dei hire which story is that Sky News Trump Administration freezes funding uh to main for letting trans athletes in girl Sports massive layoffs
• 03:30 - 04:00 hitting Health agencies that uh track um disease and regular food female fencer takes a knee forfeits and protests of transgender opponents Texas high school football star this is a devastating story Austin midcap stapped in the heart left to die in twins brother arm at track meet and the dad react this is going to be a tough one to watch folks when we go through it yeah we're talking about it right before the podcast Elon musk's 24 hours a Wisconsin Supreme
• 04:00 - 04:30 Court laws Tesla's sales plunge and reports he may soon leave role in Trump's White House Yahoo news will cover that story and then Nashville police and final report downplay uh Covenant Shooters transgender identity hatred of Christianity that's a daily wire story and we got a few other things that will cover as well before we get into the podcast guys um uh uh we want a million people to sport the future looks brigh gear we are getting very close to it we got something unique that came in just so you guys know I only and I mean
• 04:30 - 05:00 I only wear the Val tainment wallet this is all I have I think the Adams the same as well but we got these new wallets okay that are RFID protected wallets to have with different future looks bright uh uh uh signs on it Rob if you can go through we got the red one we got the black one uh if you can go to the next all the colors so they can see it beige blue gray brown you name it we have it here anybody that places an order with these RFID wallets you're going to get a leather uh keychain added to it with the
• 05:00 - 05:30 Valu tainment uh logo design on it again you sport the brand you follow what we do if you if you if you believe like we do that the future looks bright go sport the gear these will not last a long time just like the leather backpack did it on Tuesday that thing went in no time go place your order carry your wallet with this RFID wallet uh uh uh protector future looks bright okay all right so let's get right into it Sam question for you from the last time you were here I think it was two years ago that it was give or take two years ago the the at
• 05:30 - 06:00 the time it was probably a terrible season for Trump I think we can say Trump wasn't having a lot of Victories Trump was at a very low Republicans were not convinced that he could go Republicans were thinking it's probably going to be the Sanz or it's going to be somebody else there was a bit of a split in the Republican party and the Maga like I don't know even when he opened up his U announcement that he's running at Mar Lago there was not a lot of people there people saying I don't even know this person wasn't there that person wasn't there this person wasn't there
• 06:00 - 06:30 and then you get these CNN polls Rob if you can pull up the CNN video showing where the Democratic parties is at today played this clip and I want to ask you Sam what happened to the Democratic party go for it holy Toledo voters views of the Democrats in Congress among all voters disapproved 68% and look at the approved number just 21% even lower than the Democratic party at large this is the lowest on record for democ according to kipc University
• 06:30 - 07:00 polling you think these numbers are bad let's go to this side of the screen we'll look how Democratic voters feel get this the plurality of democratic voters disapprove of Democrats in Congress at 49% and just 40% approve horrible horrible horrible oh my goodness gracious you just can't get worse than these numbers and this is the number right here really driving all of this if Democrats have turned if Democratic voters have turned on Democrats in Congress and the Democrat party that's what puts the numbers at
• 07:00 - 07:30 historic lows what is it they want to be seeing these voters what is going on I'll tell you what's going on they don't like what's coming out of some of those Senate Democrats like Chuck Schumer because take a look at the direction of the party Democratic voters on Democrats in Congress doing too little to oppose Donald Trump look at this 77% should stay principled even if it means nothing gets done in Washington DC 65% and this 65% is such a difference from where we were in 2017 at this point when just 33 % of Democrats say they
• 07:30 - 08:00 should say principled compared to 59% who said they want to compromise Democrats do not want compromise at this point they want a fighter they want to go into the ring like Muhammad Ali did against Sunny list they want to take down the Republicans they do not want this compromise anymore they want to be more like Republicans get up to that stage and fight and right now they feel like their leaders in Congress are simply put not doing so and that is why the approval rating for Congressional Democrats is that alltime low even among Democrat Rob if you want to pause it s Sam what happened what happened to the
• 08:00 - 08:30 Democratic party well I I I should start by saying I always thought that Trump would be the nominee um and I uh two years ago I was wondering why Rona santis was lighting his career on fire by trying to run against Donald Trump to be honest with you uh I think you know Trump and the Republican party I think they're one and the same and so that doesn't surprise me those numbers are some of the most encouraging numbers I've seen in the 20 some odd years I've
• 08:30 - 09:00 been doing this because I want to see it communicated to Democratic Leadership that we want you to fight and uh I've been riding Chuck Schumer for you know uh 10 years uh trying to get him I mean Harry Reid was a great I think um as far as they go leader of the senate for for Democrats uh but it is I think it's time for new leadership in the Democratic Party we need a and and this is not even
• 09:00 - 09:30 ideological from my perspective I think there are are Democrats that I agree with and Democrats that I disagree with on an ideological standpoint but I think a different generation of Democrats understand that the Republican party is inrent there is no negotiating with them I think the biggest thing that Joe Biden the biggest mistake that Joe Biden made was following the American rescue act
• 09:30 - 10:00 which was a massive Boon to the American public we cut child poverty by 45% in a year I just want to repeat that we cut child poverty by 45% in a year because of that uh that act uh when Biden first got in and you know what Republicans were talking about after we we passed bills that cut child poverty in a year that extended unemployment benefits that
• 10:00 - 10:30 uh provided food stamps that provided health insurance Republicans were talking about two books that the Dr Seuss publisher decided not to publish and so in my mind the Republican party there is completely bankrupt of of ideas and Joe Biden instead of pushing through build back better over that summer he opened the door for the Republicans to to give a proposal that went nowhere for 3 months
• 10:30 - 11:00 then he opened the door for Christen Cinema and Rob Portman to come in and give a proposal and that ultimately I think is when Democratic voters started getting impatient with Biden because we were thinking $5 trillion $4 trillion Joe Mansion was saying $6 trillion bill back better Bill and uh we never got anything like that it ended up getting split into the IRA which was a good bill but I think insufficient um and then
• 11:00 - 11:30 infrastructure stuff also important but insufficient and so I think what you're seeing is frustration from democratic voters who are saying a you're you're not fighting B you're allowing the the Republicans too much opportunity and see we need more government intervention do you think it's more that they're not fighting or do you think that their policies are simply bad policies and they're not Landing no I think it's that they're they're not fighting what what are the policies so so tell me what
• 11:30 - 12:00 policies are like right now the Democratic party who is the face of the democratic party and what are the top three things you guys stand for well I don't think there is a face of the democratic party at the moment I mean Chuck Schumer is is nominally the you know the the the the highest elected Democratic official that's out there um that's not a good sign for you guys 100% I agree I I I I call for him to resign every day um I don't know that there is
• 12:00 - 12:30 a single uh I don't think the Democratic party has coales around an agenda this is we're having a uh we're there's a fight uh uh within the Democratic party what do you like do you have someone you like that you would you would want to see or do you want to see the capitalistic competitive uh philosophy of somebody just comes out and let see who it is because if there is even you right now Sam capitalistic I don't understand what I mean by capitalistic like competitive let's just see who comes out
• 12:30 - 13:00 capitalis yeah so that's good the competition is a good I mean I think yeah obviously there's going to be a competition uh is there anyone you like well I I think there are policies that I like that that are expressed by like uh Sanders and AOC on their tour their anti- oligarchy tour I mean obviously um I think uh there are other you know uh policies that are floating around that that I don't know that they're necessarily embodied in politicians yet people are looking there's a lot of stuff that Tim Walls did in um uh in
• 13:00 - 13:30 Minnesota that I think is great um putting the tampons in the bathroom which was that was my favorite put in in the men's bathroom that was that was probably one of the best ones putting that cuz that that's that's type of policy that I think that we need in the country hang tell me tell me what wal did that you liked substantially statistically that wal did I think think uh I think things like um uh lunches for for kids expanding education opportunities wait a minute there
• 13:30 - 14:00 weren't lunches for kids there wasn't Federal money from the Department of free lunches for kids yeah okay what else well no let's let's go I want I I really want to hear it because a lot of this was Federal money that just that floated I really want to know what well other states reject I mean expansion of of Medicare and Medicaid I should say Medicaid in uh in Minnesota um he provided for for expansion to who specifically
• 14:00 - 14:30 to uh through the ACA to people making 400% of poverty uh he's got uh wait a minute Medicaid is designed if I walk in with a broken leg to a public Hospital right that Medicaid is there to take care of me if I'm destitute and unable to it that's a good thing and that's exactly the things that California did and that's was it was already there what was expanded what was expanded about that Minnesota there
• 14:30 - 15:00 there there's it's it's you're expanding the pool of people who can access Medicaid on a state-by-state basis there's still I don't know half a dozen states Republican states that don't uh don't allow that expansion of Medicaid okay she just not aware that so you yeah I am I'm absolutely aware of it but what I want to ask you is when you expand the Medicaid it is a fact that basically you close the public hospitals and so what you're talking about the things he did in that's not true oh yeah yeah ask Evan Nome ask him what happened
• 15:00 - 15:30 to King Drew in Los Angeles this is well documented I'm I'm I'm stunned you no you you can do a choice if you want to close a public I mean Andrew Cuomo closed a lot of public hospitals in uh New York state that's not a function of Medicaid payments you want to go take a look at California and King Drew and what happened Gavin Newsome himself talked about it I'm not a fan of of Gavin Newsome but you're asking me about Waltz and uh no we didn't ask about Waltz you were talking about you said you like some of the things wal what was in what what I like about Tim Waltz No
• 15:30 - 16:00 you said you I want to wonder one of the specifics of the things that he did right okay so but continue with with the following uh uh uh Sam if you don't mind because this is what I'm trying to find out yeah so one the Republican party like you said I knew two years ago that Trump would be the santis all this other stuff right we were on the same page I I thought it was going to be him but a lot of Republicans were a little bit still staying safe and hesitant of whether they were going to go all in or not the first time you and I spoke but
• 16:00 - 16:30 today when I said who do you like what policies you said I like what AOC is said s anti- oligarchs all that different I have a different I think uh way of looking at politics maybe than you do it's not for me like I you if a candidate emerges uh who Embraces a wider set of my preferred policies that's the one I'll support I don't really get too involved in the um the the the
• 16:30 - 17:00 individual frankly I mean you know Joe Biden was not uh my favorite candidate by a long shot uh in 2020 the fact that there were coalitions built out of Warren and uh Sanders supporters that ended up bringing us a much better uh set of Labor policies than we've seen in my lifetime from my perspective uh with the National Labor Relations
• 17:00 - 17:30 Board with just the appointments of of people like uh abuso as the general Council there um the the the extension of Union's ability to unionize and helping working people in that way and then the antitrust regime that uh was largely a function of like uh the Warren nightes putting in their people to um undermine big concentration of money and power those are are big positives so I
• 17:30 - 18:00 you know do I like Joe Biden no but I also know that if there are the right uh coalitions formed that uh that have uh you know influence within the context of an Administration that's good from my perspective got it but to me like running a business or polit politics right or it shifts when people all of a sudden look at you when they say I don't
• 18:00 - 18:30 like these ideas anymore so in the in the Democratic party you have a lot of different people that would have different policies hey I think we should do this and I think we should do that great obviously didn't land November 5th 2024 whether it was kamla Harris whether it was the policies whether it's seven states you lose Battleground States you lose whether it's the majority it just it was not it was a bad loss it was a humiliating loss one could say it was Kamala one could say it was Obama one could say it was Biden stepping one could say it's Schumer one say Pelosi let's set that part aside to me the most
• 18:30 - 19:00 basic part is ideas if someone has ideas that's producing results that people like they want to continue that right and and we watched like if I ask a Democrat even right now but I ask you for 15 minutes I still don't know if Democrats know what they're for like I'm not speaking for the Democratic party I can tell you what I'm for tell me what's your for oh I I am for uh Universal Healthcare single-payer healthcare yep I
• 19:00 - 19:30 am for increased ability to unionize I am for uh decommodifying parts of the housing sector I am for decommodifying power I am for decommodifying access to the internet um I mean those are my big ones right there I think who in your party is for that well who in the Democratic party is for that I don't know that there's um anybody who in our party who Embraces
• 19:30 - 20:00 all of those I mean that that is a you know major political figure I mean I think I'm to the left of the democratic party um but I think there are elements of what I want uh that are are represented by people in the Democratic party um I mean I think having a a a a very jaundice eye to the overwhelming concentration of wealth and wealth disparity I think is a
• 20:00 - 20:30 fundamental problem that we have in this country um I think too much of what happens in this country is a function of the concentration of wealth I mean that's gets back to why I want a to returned back to the tax regime we had in the 50s and the 60s uh where the top marginal rate was 90% for every dollar above what in what today's uh money would be about million so and just to explain this
• 20:30 - 21:00 because I've seen so many people on the right not understand marginal tax rates that it's almost disturbing the first million dollars that you earn is taxed at 32% or whatever the the prevailing rate is the second2 million million dollar you earn 32% the third 32% because I think that's the highest maybe it's 37% % is the highest once you get over 4 million
• 21:00 - 21:30 every extra dollar after that is n is taxed at a 90% rate that's what you want that is what we had in this country for several decades in the post why do you think that's good though because we talked about why do you think that's good I'll tell you because it flattens uh wealth disparity okay and that is when you have the greatest expansion of the economy when the wealth of the country is shared by as many people as
• 21:30 - 22:00 possible obviously it's not everybody guessed the same amount but do you think that's a popular idea do you think that do you think 80% of Americans want that Americans want that I think if I was to show Americans if I was to show americ for 20 years no no no yeah put up a put up a graph of of income disparity right the you put up a graph of income disparity Americans are shocked when they realize
• 22:00 - 22:30 how much money yeah is held by the top 1% in this country really the top 0 one% relative to the rest I mean like literally a handful of families yeah have more money and more wealth in this country than 50% of the population there's so many questions to that for me the question is the following here's where I'm trying to go with a you show that to 80% of Americans and there's no question going to be like what the [ __ ] you know what show you can't because you're a guest but you know what you can C you
• 22:30 - 23:00 can you can you're a guest so if you somebody could go and say okay why don't you pull up uh who pays the most taxes in America the top 1% pays 50% of taxes in America okay so you can give that argument so to me if we go back and forth but this is the part I want to do with this specific argument this specific idea where I want to go with a guy like you okay is I think sometimes like the Democratic party you go to a
• 23:00 - 23:30 message and you know how Trump tests things out yeah Greenland we it's Greenland Greenland Greenland Greenland Greenland yeah Greenland it's going to be we we One Way Or Another We're not going to go to war but one yeah you know third term I you know I'm not talking about third term but a lot of people are talking about third term third term third term yeah you know uh uh you know Canada should just be 51st state governor trudo governor trudo governor trudo governor trudo Trump will throw these things out there okay and then the market reacts to
• 23:30 - 24:00 it and the market will say what the what what is he talking about and then I believe this is because this is how you do it as a business owner you kind of I I'll be in front of I'll never forget one time I brought nine of my guys and I dropped an ID on them you should have seen the reaction on everybody you know what the reaction was they looked at me like I was high they looked at me like I am on shrooms they're like what the pat respectfully these are terrible ideas so you know what happens to business owner they're so used to coming up with bad
• 24:00 - 24:30 ideas what do they do they move on with bad ideas so to me Trump gets up there and says what do you think about this and then he looks he says okay what's the guy that I respect okay this guy's pretty reasonable what did he say what did she say okay let's move on to the Democratic side somebody like you but but I would but let me just finish the point I'll come to you trust me I want to hear from you to me it's I feel like the Democrats like you okay you have a voice people watch you you're an influencer in your community and you actually have the ability to kind of go and help your community out help your
• 24:30 - 25:00 party out there are certain policies that you keep pitching that is no longer popular that's been exposed so many times because what we learned like the biggest part why some of the conservatives like the Doge concept and some of the Democrats that like the Doge concept is it's government wasted expenditure Obama talked about it Clinton's talked about it people on the left they've talked about it for many many years and the the average person watches this and says okay so after 4 million you want to
• 25:00 - 25:30 put the tax rate at 90% yes I do okay so all you're saying is that the government knows how to use my money better than free enterprise I don't believe that well so that's where the argument stops that's not the that's not the premise of why I want to do that taxation I mean um the government will redistribute the money and that's a that's no longer a popular uh idea in America I I I I that's the part where you see The Young
• 25:30 - 26:00 Turks kind of growing and evolving and seeing some of the ideas that kind of is not popular I listen the fact of the matter is government always redistributes money it always redistributes money every government at every moment is redistributing money the question is which direction is that money flowing that's it there is no doubt governments redistribute money at every moment the question is which suful are they at it how successful have they
• 26:00 - 26:30 been at it how good are they at it how much waste have they done with redistributing money there no listen there's no doubt in my mind like look we have a massive massive military budget and if you want to look for waste and fraud in government that is where you go that's where all the money is everybody knows it there's an enormous amount of waste in front they can't even get through an audit how many audits has it been half a dozen Social Security and they can't pass a single audit soci security is audited all the time do you know how much money let's talk about
• 26:30 - 27:00 this for a second I watched the video of you guys on the plane down of when Elon Musk was in Wisconsin blowing up his whole brand essentially and he was on stage with a guy named Garcia do you guys remember this video of course okay it was like two days ago yes the social security number spiking in the last four years the social security2 million new non-citizen social security numbers yes and the amount of misinformation from
• 27:00 - 27:30 every single person all of you was astonishing to me what was it what was a misinformation said I mean I almost feel like we should go through the whole video this is coming from a socialist the level credibility socialist system that I to he anti I want to hear I want to he he go for first off yeah you seem to not understand that these were not
• 27:30 - 28:00 undocumented immigrants who were getting these Social Security numbers they are non-citizens now when you came to this country yeah you were uh an immigrant your parents came legally every single one of those people who got those Social Security numbers are here legally they're not citizens just like you weren't when you first came to this country you get a green card your parents get a green card they go through a process all of those people and understand they got their they got their
• 28:00 - 28:30 social security point card I really want to see your point here well the point is you referred to them as undocumented and illegal you did I said noncitizen excuse me don't say everyone here I said noncitizen correct yourself I can't remember which one of you got it wrong I think you did you're thinking but I we can play the video and go through it but I'm still trying to get to the point well the point is they're not UND they're not illegal they're not undocumented they're all legal right the expansion from that program the Ebe program which
• 28:30 - 29:00 is enumeration Beyond entry was started under the Trump Administration the numbers have gone up because yes under uh Biden as opposed to Trump there was an expansion of people who were here like your like you know probably I'm not sure a lot of illegals 10 plus million a single one breaking number of sing hold on you're changing the subject now no I'm not I'm talking about that video every one of those Social Security numbers that was how do you feel about
• 29:00 - 29:30 the illegal immigrants that came years I will get to Il you don't care about those people I will get to the you car about children but you don't want to talk about this and I don't blame you because it's embarrassing but let me let me do quick of those Security numbers do a quick time out here s let me just do a quick timeout you said you don't want to talk about this you just spun away from a question I asked you and you brought this you haven't even addressed the question I asked get the point I let's go back to what I asked you I asked you a question that the money that's going
• 29:30 - 30:00 in Americans proed that they don't trust a government getting the money than free market free enterprise I don't think you never address that I don't think that's the case Love Social Security people wasted expenditure what we learned with Doge the American people said Sam enough of you taking our tax money and see what you're doing with it Elon Musk made that Wisconsin election of a a referendum on Doge to the extent that we seen anybody vote on Doge nobody heard the word Doge
• 30:00 - 30:30 before November of last year to the extent that we've seen a referendum on Doge it just happened in Wisconsin it happened in Florida where the uh where the size of the win by those de Republican Congressman was cut by 17 20 points I mean this is a Wipeout and and every republ you're going to see a difference in Republican lawmakers over the next year and a half because anybody who was in a plus trump8 District or less is now starting
• 30:30 - 31:00 to go like wait a second that's why musk is is being shown the door supposedly so getting back to my point about those Social Security numbers they were given all to Legal uh noncitizens and every one of those cards you can't vote because I think you definitely said and I think maybe you said that this is a democratic strategy to get voters hold on for a second the security card that they get
• 31:00 - 31:30 literally says not legitimate for voting purposes it is so that these un uh these non-citizens who are legal just like when you came in excuse me pay into the social security system and get many of them never get that money back so in addition to the undocumented immigrants who pay in $22 billion a year into Social Security and get zero back the these people pay several billion dollars
• 31:30 - 32:00 in a year and only if they become citizens which Mo most of them won't most of them will go back home over a period of time they're here for temporary protected status maybe some of them are refugees and they get permanent uh uh citizenship they won't get that money either so every single thing of that video this video here was completely wrong that you guys did it was fascinating to me because I feel like you at the very least I I believe that
• 32:00 - 32:30 you care about the information you're putting out and this was all wrong and so they're up there so this is all a lie these guys were up there just completely bullshitting with all the numbers were he's saying that people in the government people in the government are blowing the whistles he didn't want to say their names he was giving them praise and for some Sam for you to say that you care you care about the kids and the labor and all that stuff we've had an open border for 4 years and all the illegals way more than 10 Mill have come into this country California is
• 32:30 - 33:00 that where you live no where do you live I live in New York okay great even better California so the amount of money that we spent on illegals with housing and all that [ __ ] and Gavin Newsome passing a law that you don't even need an ID to vote you're saying that we're coming up with where where these people aren't coming in for the votes that's the main goal of this whole thing what was the open border for why why was the Border open for four years answer me that question first of all the Border was not open give me a are you are you kidding me look at the what do you mean the Border wasn't open are you hold on
• 33:00 - 33:30 did you smoke before you came here that's ridiculous by the way Vinnie here's a part you're full of Ito here's the part out Sam here's the part when I hear this okay anybody can look at that video the things you were saying yesterday immigration year over year over year Tye illegal immigration you're over the fact that you're saying the Border wasn't wide open how many deaths how many deaths have happened how many
• 33:30 - 34:00 fentanyl deaths have happened per year while your freaking President Joe Biden was in office how many hold on how many Americans died just from Fentanyl and you're saying the Border wasn't wide open we've had the most elegal entry in four years in the history of the country you're you're and this is why let me let me finish and this is why your party sucks this is why your party is at 29% approval because you got 20 thank you because all you guys do is talk [ __ ] and just go anti-trump you have no policies
• 34:00 - 34:30 you guys have no vision you have no leaders you're talking about oligarchs and you hate the oligarchs what do you think Bernie Sanders and AOC are going to get their money from they're donors are you like don't lie to yourself for you to look and like by the way you're talking about yesterday we lied and Bernie Sanders don't take hold on ready for this you're you're saying that we lied two days ago you just lied and you're going to look like a fool that the Border wasn't wide open look at this chart what does that chart say to you say what what does that what did what did Trump when Trump was in he was trying to close it but your party was
• 34:30 - 35:00 fighting it it's unbelievable how many illegals have come in in the past 100 days but this is this is this is the part to just be very just show the data illegal immigration this is Wall Street Journal is a bigger problem than ever oh no that's these five charts explain why go a little bit lower that's under Biden Trump got shot trying to show these charts literally this is October of 2023 go to the next one a guy who was registered here's another let me show the data and then I want you to say what you want to say go a little
• 35:00 - 35:30 bit lower with the data r no cuz he said it's inaccurate this is another one here go back up go go back up to the to the last go to the last one go to the top one here I mean this is the numbers talking about so this is you start one by one go up explain every one of them go for yeah go ahead yeah you can see that there this is what constitutes illegal immigration these are if it was an open border you would not have these numbers you would not have the numbers to know when title 42 ends yeah more
• 35:30 - 36:00 people are coming to the border and they're being put into a system period that's the best part about and that's so that's the def because they were told to come s let me explain something when when your President says come to the country going to yell all time no I'm not yelling you just give me facts can I turn down his microphone because yeah just see which one he is I think he seats three or which one is it right c three C3 C3 go ahead lower that right there and then the mic right there there volum is that good is that good C2 there
• 36:00 - 36:30 you go okay go for it all right go ahead okay go ahead all right so you're still going to hear the truth though so go ahead no no I'm happy to can't turn down the truth is what you're saying open border would mean that we have no records of people coming across the border the law in this country has been that if you uh put your foot in this country it's a it's an international law it's a US law if you put the your foot in this country and you apply for Asylum you are due a process to do that
• 36:30 - 37:00 98% of of those people who are then what you guys would call Catch and Release come back for their hearings we are woefully understaffed in terms of like immigration judges and that process is definitely broken I would love to see more money spent in the processing of these people so that we can establish which ones like your family like my family as well illegal immigrants no no
• 37:00 - 37:30 but but came in through a refugee status they weren't citizens on day one they came in they went through a process and they it's possible the at that time I mean I remember you know I was old enough to remember the Iran hostage situation I remember the the the Fallout afterwards there may have been some form of temporary protected status whatever was at the time that allows people to come in that then they're assessed and processed it's determined that yes their
• 37:30 - 38:00 claim for Asylum is appropriate or not etc etc that's what we're looking at there as you as you scroll up on those other other charts you can see when when title 42 ends which was only supposed to be an emergency situation for have that has to do with health and you can't have it both ways either covid ends or it doesn't end the pandemic and so people come in there's no doubt and that number on that chart that um musk had under
• 38:00 - 38:30 Biden more people received temporary protected status we had a problem in Haiti uh as the country is falling apart uh you had people from Ukraine coming in because of obviously The Invasion these are all under temporary protected status they all got Social Security numbers so they could pay taxes into our government and not necessarily get the services back and vote for no they can't vote those social security cards literally say on the you can't use this said we
• 38:30 - 39:00 don't have an illegal immigration problem we have a documentation problem that's what a said so I this is not this is not something new you know how when you talk about who's better at Jerry mandering who's better at Jerry mandering the left or the right Republicans seem to be better at that Republicans are much better I agree guess what but get so it's not like they can fight it and say no we're not that's their reputation they have it that they're better at Jerry mandering strategically they're better at doing that but when for you to here I don't have a problem may I make my point let
• 39:00 - 39:30 me make my point when I when you sit here and you watch yourself when you're saying these policies and you spew out these policies what the average person does they'll watch it and if they've already outgrown it because today the problem with you know folks content creators have today's the following say we say something on a video and we're wrong you know what others will do they'll react to it and they'll say stuff to it and if we're
• 39:30 - 40:00 right they'll keep coming to us to want to hear more of it because they'll say at least you sound reasonable and they'll say you know I have to I want to hear what John has to say I want to hear what Joe has to say I want to hear what Megan has to say I want to hear what you know whoever these people are that are giving ideas out they want to say right but when you keep saying stuff that others are able to tear apart so many times that a liberal a former liberal watches that maybe was a viewer of you and says how can Sam not see this and outgrow it he is still stuck on this
• 40:00 - 40:30 policy that's been proven Americans don't want to pay more taxes to a government that waste their taxes how does he not see that how does he keep pushing this agenda back and forth then you lose an audience and the people you keep as the following here's who you end up keeping you end up keeping an audience that makes you think you're right but that's not always the case you keep an audience that of course hates rich people rich people are bad people and they're probably not making a lot of money and they come to Sam to save him
• 40:30 - 41:00 hey let's trash and Bash rich people because this is what we got to do yes Sam let's go after the rich people but in reality are you talking about me because we just had our biggest month and and when people uh on biggest one because of Jubilee you were on Jubilee and you were on that show' going back up you were on Jubilee and Jubilee gave you a lot of eyeballs so Jubilee brought a lot of traffic to you agreed mhm lot of I me no no no I mean a lot of people agreed more agree or disagree I would say a lot more agreed well you would say
• 41:00 - 41:30 that because you're in it so for I mean you want me to do metrics we had our biggest subscription uh I believe you because Jubilee helped you okay but my point is is that credit to you should say thank you to Jubilee that's a that's a very Jubilee I would also add that like I think there are definitely people who watch my show and then over a period of time are going I disagree with Sam and proudly those people move to the left of where I'm at you think people move to
• 41:30 - 42:00 the left 100% Sam do you realize do you realize how how to to make a statement I and I love that you said it oh it's true I love that you said it so you think people who age and live longer they go further to the left and to the right you think as people mature in life am I the oldest person on this no you're not but I'm pretty close I bet no you're pretty far it's just the other guy looks very young but you you as you how old are you uh he's 62 You Got Me by three years yeah so you're not so you're 59 dude
• 42:00 - 42:30 yeah good for you but but do you think do you think do you think as people age they become more conservative or more liberal more leftist um I think it changes with Generations but no that's not the case there is a evident more of one or the other do you think like it's asking a question do you think as we age do our bones get stronger or weaker they get weaker as we age do we become more leaning what okay this is a chart perfect thank you for that pure research as we age we become more conservative
• 42:30 - 43:00 but to you the more you age the more you become Progressive and leftist see that's the part where Americans as they age and go through you may have a very young audience that finds you this I I think if you look at this chart and first of all you'll also notice that like the dynamic uh shifts right if what you were saying was true 70 to 79 uh would be a greater Republican favor than 60 to 69 I don't know what to
• 43:00 - 43:30 tell you f I also realize what your stick is I'm getting your stick I'm looking at the numbers you put 18 to 24 is 34 then it goes to 32 oh my God you know they became more liberal because they went to college and they screwed up their brains and then they go to 42 47 5050 oh oh they dropped to 51 and it go to 58 nope they're becoming more liberals at 70 to 79 do you know why 70 to 79 become more liberal you know why 70 to 79 do you know why 70 to9 becomes more
• 43:30 - 44:00 liberal yes because they're they're getting Social Security exactly so they got to protect it so they're like hey man at least yeah I agree but still at 80 plus they're more conservative you know why 80 plus they're more conservative I will also suggest you that it has to do with the years that you grow up the same thing I said to you last 50 to 59 grew up in a Reagan Era in a thatcher era and as in in the wake of that you can see that people are are more Progressive increasing why did Charlie Kirk blow up so much the last
• 44:00 - 44:30 four years specifically 18 months why did he blow up on Tik Tok out of all the places did you see how do you blow up on Tik Tok do you know he was the most viewed Jubilee out of all of them did you did you see that I think can you see how many views Charlie Kirk got juile but this is inconvenient this is this is just absolute why you think Charlie Kirk blew up blew up though I I have theories I want to hear it um how did he start how did he how did Charlie Kirk start I
• 44:30 - 45:00 don't care how he started I'm asking how he's finishing how blow up so much in the last 18 month going to colleges speaking in front of colleges what do you mean yeah how did the TP USA get started tell us let's see what angle he was going to college talking to I actually want to hear what he says because I'm I'm watching these two times he got paid by a billionaire to start that organization got it it's just the truth there no there listen there's there's no conviction on what Charlie does no no I'm sure there's conviction what Charlie does why did Charlie do so last 18 months I I I mean why do you
• 45:00 - 45:30 think a 20-year-old guy why is he blown up the way that he is why is this well he's not 20 he's in his 28 years old 29 30 years old 30 now he's 30 now but he started when he was 20 yeah the last two years he was in his 20s why has he blown up so much I I mean I think there's a lot of uh money circulating on right but he started when he was 18 he was 201 to go to to blame it on the money what about his voice his reason is rationale by the way so here's a question here's a question so you think
• 45:30 - 46:00 if you got the same money Charlie got you would have the same views um yeah I think uh you know I saw Milo yannopoulos on Tim pool uh about a month or two ago yeah talking about how the daily wire got so big and he said this is Milo yopos well he said Charlie's different than daily wi 100% he said in the right-wing yeah content area era he said we buy we buy bots we
• 46:00 - 46:30 buy views we buy I mean I knew I'm telling you what miloop said go ahead this is what he said pull it up fastic and he said this is fantastic we fake it till we make it oh my and that's why he's that's why he's not existent anymore he used to be a big voice now you don't hear nothing Sam respectfully there's something called giving credit where credit is due regardless of where Charlie got his money hold on hold on hold on I don't care great I'll give him credit Charlie
• 46:30 - 47:00 Kirk has made a lot of money but that's not where the credit is do what do you want me to say and I don't even know how much money he's made the the point is he's motivated a lot of people yeah that's what the where the credit should be done he's changed the hearts and minds of people on campuses he would arguably be the number one reason that Trump flipped Arizona to not give someone credit for the good work they've done and blame it on a billionaire money flipped Iona you look at tpusa played
• 47:00 - 47:30 heavily in uh the carry Lake Race huge and and the the biggest the widest loss they had was people under the age of 30 okay so you don't want to give Charlie any credit you blame so no I don't care but Sam hold on before being give him all the credit before being annihilist I'll give him a trophy Sam you've had let me just ask this question what does he want he can take the Sam don't right here I think Charlie needs anything Sam so billionaire gives Charlie money
• 47:30 - 48:00 and he automatically wins okay I got a question for you explain how Mark Benny off puts money in the Time Magazine and it goes down I I don't know who Mark Benny off is I haven't read Time Magazine and and well you should get around more it's unfortunate come out of the echo chamber Mark benof is one of the most successful entrepreneurs of all time who used his money after his business success and he went and he buys Time Magazine because he wants to push liberal views and values and the thing craters he would love a billionaire hit
• 48:00 - 48:30 him up for money out of my for money my bubble right yeah but you know what it is Sam I like to give everybody the benefit of the doubt I truly do and I I I try to look at the only one you can Succeed in Business and in life and in sales like you're developing other people is you have to always look at the best of everybody you don't have a choice as a parent you have to always look at the best of your kids you don't have a choice for them to do their best right and I truly want to look at you
• 48:30 - 49:00 and look at it from the part of the best to say capable Great Communicator uh uh you know temperament is solid you go through it I want to see all the good with you but the part where you sit there and you realize some policies don't work the young What policies don't work go go to whatl name a policy that I support that doesn't work what do you think about 90% tax rates I would I would start there yeah I say when we had those in this country this is everybody can look this up we
• 49:00 - 49:30 had what was known as the great compression it was the greatest expansion of our of our economy and the lowest wealth disparity we had in the history of this country I don't know how you would Define it anything other than a su let me ask you a question let's stay right here in this 90% tax 90% so top marginal I'm with you so you get to keep 10% no no no 10% dollar after 4 million okay no well here
• 49:30 - 50:00 we go I'm going to ask you a question like stay with me for a second you just said you had a great month great quarter right like you Jubilee was a bigb say billionaires you know what what billionaires are howon profit Revenue did you make in the last quarter because you've went viral so many times how much I I mean I don't know but I would guess it's somewhere around tens of thousands tens of thousand so not Millions tens of thousands okay so what are you going to do with that extra 30 grand Grand 100 Grand what are you going to do with it we're going to hire another person oh so
• 50:00 - 50:30 you're going to expand well I don't know if we're going to uh expand but I I'm gonna I'm going to probably I mean you're going to invest well I may invest in some of it you're not just going to Bear it in the sand you're going to use it correct okay oh wow here here here's the problem no we got understand this is the company these are pre-tax dollars when I say 90 cents on every dollar I'm talking individual tax so ideas this is not about corporate tax it wouldn't impact anything you're saying about the business but go ahead but we're talking about taxes in general let's not Bas
• 50:30 - 51:00 there's a difference between personal taxes and corporate taxes well if you have an escorp it flows through to the individual so it's the same thing how are you registered with the with the uh IRS so it flows through to you it's it's literally what it does it's same as individual but respect to you but you we don't have a problem with you making money and getting okay with that honestly I'm a little disappointed it was only tens of thousands of dollars I wish it was millions of dollars I wish the best for you but here's the problem why you can't tax your way to making everybody wealthy no no no I'm not
• 51:00 - 51:30 taxing my way to making everybody wealthy I am taxing my understand the 90% tax rate on on every dollar after four million is to deal with wealth disparity in this country because I believe the more you concentrate wealth the more you concentrate political power Why million I believe in democracy why 4 million just because that's what we had for 15 20 years in this country I mean 400 70,000 in
• 51:30 - 52:00 1940 I'm just because I'm a student of history and I really appreciate Ronald Reagan you know the Reagan story of why he ended up running for governor and for president do you know the whole tax story let me give it to you real quick know the story of GE sending him around to fight against uh um uh Medicare okay but that's not the story we're talking about the tax story that Ronald Reagan basically was like holy crap cuz everything with taxes has to do with incentives and motivation so the story with Reagan was the following the T the top marginal tax
• 52:00 - 52:30 rate back in the 40s and 50s when Ronald Reagan before he became a governor he was a famous what actor there we go we're on the same page was $200,000 and the equivalent of $200,000 today is 2.5 million so at $200,000 the top marginal tax rate was your favorite number 90% 90% we're going we're going somewhere so do you know his famous quote I'll do two movies a year I get paid $100,000 per movie tell me why I should go make a third movie because if
• 52:30 - 53:00 you're gonna tax me at 90% And you know what he shouldn't if you've seen ex we didn't miss much no no don't go there guy don't go there guy tell talk numbers if you don't want to if you don't make it stop it the reason he wouldn't make the movie is cuz he would only keep 10% he said famously I can make freaking Gone With the Wind I wouldn't keep any of the money it has to do with you said shtick carrot and sticks if you don't incentivize people if you don't
• 53:00 - 53:30 incentivize entrepreneurs why will they work harder why will they invest you just had a great incentive you killed it you made tens of thousands ofar I'm going to take your metaphor do something with that money so what happens when Ronald Reagan gets to that threshold of the of the wealthiest of the wealthy in the country because that's what it takes right to to be making $4 million a year that put you you're you're making up 4 million like azi a 2.5 it's 00,000 yeah let's use that's what the
• 53:30 - 54:00 correlation so if you're making $2.5 million a year that places you in the top one or two% I would imagine maybe even smaller it's less 0.5% top 1% is about $600 500,000 so you're in the top. five% of the of the just like you're in the top one point per of a podcast you're doing great top .5% what happens when Ronald Reagan decides I'm only going to make two movies a year is you get an opportunity
• 54:00 - 54:30 to be that actor and then somebody else gets the opportunity to make that money so shittier actors get more opportunities it sounds like Dei no it's not I believe me I've been out in La the best actors don't necessarily get every role and so he gives an opportunity to spread the wealth that's exactly centralized subjective fairness on the altar of greed and jealousy that's what it is because it's not fair that all of these people work their ass off and did and Achieve something we have to stop
• 54:30 - 55:00 them and go get someone else who maybe isn't working hard cuz it's so unfair are you telling me that there are aren't enough hardworking actors who get no no no stop changing it that's your stick no it's not I'm asking you a question here because it's about greed and jealousy isn't it so the greed that you attack is the greed that you that you have you're sitting there these people must have been greedy they got all this money and everything and you're envious and you're greedy for their money so we're going to take it from
• 55:00 - 55:30 them it should be 90% they'll keep making oh but that's good because now we've stopped him from making good pretty obvious to everybody how jealous I am of all of you no it's not not not every about about incentives that is why uh Ronald Reagan brought in Arthur laugher and you know yes of course explain it uh laugher curve says that if you the higher you go up on taxes the least incentive there is for people to make money yeah or to try harder or to
• 55:30 - 56:00 earn more and work harder and stay late and be an entrepreneur try to build something exctly but the lower you have taxes you can actually lower taxes and you'll get more Revenue because these people are going to actually be more incentivized because they get to keep more Arthur laugher was the key advisor to Sam Brownback when he became uh governor of of of Kansas in 2012 you can look this up people just have to Google Sam Brownback Kansas 2012 what happened with the great Kansas experiment he did
• 56:00 - 56:30 exactly what Arthur laugher said he slashed uh taxes slashed taxes for ESC Corps Etc within I think it was two or three years the Republican legislature Rose taxes because revenues had cratered so badly and they had so destroyed what was once the jewel of Kansas their education system their higher education system they Rose taxes uh okay well there you go I mean there it is Kansas provides compelling evidence
• 56:30 - 57:00 of the failure of supply side tax cuts which is exactly what you're at do you know how many do you know many case examples that can show of of cutting taxes help States helps companies help people show me one how do you think this company that we're sitting hold on show the state Sam hold on Google theate you want to throw out some R how do you think this company right here let him but let him say that and respond to it okay so for example where are we at right now what state Florida m okay can you tell me why out of all the 50 states in America in 2024 that voted for
• 57:00 - 57:30 President why did 50450 State become more Republican can you tell me why out of 50 states that voted for president in 2024 can you tell me why the two state that lost the most people the only two states in America that lost a trillion dollars of money under management that left their states to another state like Nevada Texas and Florida can you tell me why those two states imagine New York and California during Co lost a billion dollars of wealth that left to other states and even after all those people
• 57:30 - 58:00 that left the two states that became more Republican than they were before in 2020 were New York and Texas can you tell me why people come to Texas why do people go to Nevada why do people go to Florida why do you think it is is it because maybe they don't have state taxes why do you think Arthur lafer is in in Tennessee why do you think musk is in Texas why do you think Rogan went to Texas why do you think California is losing so many jobs I think you think because of high tax who like to evade taxes sure it's evade so but but no no but guys let me Sam respectfully I just
• 58:00 - 58:30 figured out who you are I'm telling you I just figured out who you are deep down inside of you you have you are driven by so much power control a dee rooted feeling matching the qualities of a communist that wants to tell you what to do and you think you know what's best for others and if it isn't your o uh your way everybody else is wrong and by the way an extremely unattractive quality literally advocating for higher
• 58:30 - 59:00 taxes on super wealthy people no you're not because what what you just said million what you just said St let me just make the point here you just said people who left California and New York your first response was they're evading as if they have to pay you that's not how this works they're evading taxes these guys are tax evaders they left no it's called if a company offers better benefits are you on
• 59:00 - 59:30 Rumble uh I think we uh stream on Rumble what do you where do you put your video clips the most um YouTube YouTube why Why YouTube that's just where what what the technology was when we started why don't you do it on Vimeo we do run it through Vimeo why don't you do all your stuff through Vimeo why do you do it on YouTube uh that's where the most people are and that's where they pay the best well that's yeah I mean that's where we have the most audience but you're evading you're evading the revenue going
• 59:30 - 60:00 to another company you're such an evader of sponsorship money going to another company that keeps more money of it you're such an evader why are you evading all the sponsorship money you're such a sponsorship money evader Sam Cedar's a sponsorship money evader everybody come on man I'm a I'm a sponsorship evader what is it what did you call it no you call people tax evaders see that's the part I think there's a lot of people who leave High tax state for low tax states is that evading or is that just common sense tax
• 60:00 - 60:30 I mean if you I think there's a lot going for tax reasons then they're trying to there's also a lot of people that go to uh lower cost restaurants versus higher cost you rather there's people that shop at H versus shopping at gu opport it's called saving money situations if I if I if I have to be under if I have to be under someone's watch like a dictatorship like you that thinks you know what's best for others you think I'm a dictator Financial
• 60:30 - 61:00 dictator the way you are you feel your first answer was a tax evader that's how you view them you don't view them as a as a asset to the state you see them as criminals you just called entrepreneurs that leave New York and California as criminals is tax evader a criminal Rob can you pull up what a tax evader is Type in tax evader synonym tax evader synonym what are some tax evader synonyms can you go to tax evader
• 61:00 - 61:30 synonyms also tax Dodger tax fraud tax avoidance you're calling these people criminals a person tries to avoid paying taxes often through illegal means calling somebody who leaves so me I left I left California because I'm sorry it's I should have said tax avoiders right okay so tax evaders right avoiders it's it's it's called better are we good with tax avoiders it's called better opportun am a better person you're also a tax avoider opport because if you have an es Corp you have what is
• 61:30 - 62:00 called his writeoffs well that's such an so you don't so like when you when you write you do write offs do I do bus I already know the answer of course you do write off such an you write it off why would you do such a thing Sam you're a tax evader off tax something F here's something that you probably have an accountant helping you he does Sam here's something that I've learned it's okay to say the following you ready man I might have been wrong on that
• 62:00 - 62:30 one I just con I should have said I'm saying anything because where growth happens is you yeah when you grow I remember the most amount of money I ever made was in 2016 I was like oh my God like I'm a millionaire now it's a tax therapy session I was like oh my God I'm paying all this taxes I don't like this and iates me about this is that like I'm talking about policies that impact the country I'm talking about the implications of of Taxation on the top
• 62:30 - 63:00 .5% top 1% of this country who P Bo tax to you guys saying that I'm a bad person actually think you're a great person with bad ideas care I don't care about like any of you as individuals same as care about me exactly policies and when we get into policy I notice how this all pivots and I don't blame you because frankly if you tell the American public and maybe not
• 63:00 - 63:30 this audience because this audience is built on your on on your business uh uh you know around your business doings and whatnot but if you tell the American public that they're getting fleeced and they are losing political power to money they react like they did in Wisconsin they basically reject it and so that's what happened in nov what happened on November 5th those people didn't come out they came out to vote
• 63:30 - 64:00 for Donald Trump because Donald Trump is a character that they like why didn't they come out in 2020 oh why didn't they come out because they because Donald Trump was very close to their experience and I think I have a feeling in 2024 they'd also vote him out if if he tries to run again can you imagine like you had four years of a guy his name is Donald Trump then this motivational speaker named Joe Biden shows up okay he fills up the Arenas and he wins every time he spoke two 300,000
• 64:00 - 64:30 people would show up to just hear this man give a speech like one of those that's thing bid was a was a complete like placeholder for not Donald Trump this guy gets up there and he crushes Trump and you guys are like oh he got so destroyed crushes Trump look at the way Biden beat Trump people don't want a person like Trump and then America watched all the policies that you support Biden comes president he does what he does four years later his vice
• 64:30 - 65:00 president his VP kamla Harris Google an and see how popular it is his VP runs for office okay runs for office loses every Battleground State 89 count 50 for 5050 States become more Republican and you're sitting here saying you guys think you got better policies no I think har Harris I mean I think look I think it was uh what Biden did in staying in
• 65:00 - 65:30 was atrocious he should have gotten out way earlier there's a story coming out now of like Ron Cay coming seeing him before the debate and realizing the guy was a mess um and I think Harris's campaign was also poorly run um I think that you know nobody could tell what her policies were Mark Cuban's going out there saying we're going to get rid of right I agree Mark Cuban's coming out there saying like oh don't worry she not going to do any more of this antitrust stuff uh on one hand I don't want a billionaire coming out and speaking for
• 65:30 - 66:00 my candidate um did you vote for her or did you set that one out no I voted for her you voted for kamla why why just because hold on hold on what did what did you I want hold on you voted this is what drives me crazy about your side you guys voted voted for the lesser of two e that is UN what policy were you going for what do you think that she was going to do different what what can you possibly I would rather have you s that one out goad I'll tell you go ahead she
• 66:00 - 66:30 was not going to uh cut Social Security functioning she's not going to cut the USDA she's not going to cut the FDA she's not going to lose us$500 billion dollar worth of of of uh return on investment it with the IRS she's not going to cut um the Bureau of Labor statistic she's not going to cut investment investment investment return on invest every dollar that you give to the IRS would get six or seven back she's not
• 66:30 - 67:00 going to cut the museum and Library Google it every dollar spent at the IRS gets six back in in returns goodness they're anticipating the cuts from Doge the cuts from Doge are going to cost the our government $500 billion doll according to who studies suggest I I undersold it a little bit according to who well you can spend time attacking the people do these calculations do you need
• 67:00 - 67:30 me to tell you more about well I'm just Cur yeah I'm I'm just curious to what Rando tariffs applied in a willy-nilly fashion that that crash the the the economy so you wait you don't so you don't think that tariffs that Trump is and I get it that's exact the tariffs are exactly what America needs right now because let's just go to the Border what he did with the border with Mexico with the tariffs what happened to fentanyl what happened to all the deaths what happened to all those illegals that are what do you mean he threaten them and they went for fentol comes across the border at ports of
• 67:30 - 68:00 Entry fent yeah fentol comes across the border not in illegals crossing the desert it comes in oh really coyotes oh really it comes in it comes in at ports of Entry go Google that Sam I don't need to Google when it's like you said you voted for a you voted for someone you're coming up with these policies the worst pick ever the biggest lost ever she lost everything because your side you're talking about wait let
• 68:00 - 68:30 me ask you question you're acting like your whole side was surprised that Biden wasn't there everybody knew including you he wasn't there at all but you guys are like he's just not Trump the the worst president in the history of the world or in this country four years because you guys were pretending that he was all there and we knew it and who was making all the decisions who was making all the decisions who was signing all the [ __ ] who was signing off how many times did you have to see Biden sitting there and they'd ask him a question and he'd go oh I can't because they told me
• 68:30 - 69:00 I couldn't he wasn't in charge they who yeah who was they come on Sam it's like that the most devastating loss the world the country is over it you you guys aren't pivoting okay and if you think the future is Gavin Nome AOC Bernie Sanders and Jasmine Crockett you guys are doomed nothing is going to change and Elon Musk you think Elon Musk is a net positive or negative for Society for what he's doing and pointing out what the hell these people have been screwing
• 69:00 - 69:30 us for all these years and he's pointing it out you guys are mad at the person pointing out who robbed from you than the actual robber that's the truth bro yeah he's a billionaire you think he's doing it because he needs money has he found what do you mean how much how much fraud has he found fraud yeah where's the person who is going to be indicted for fraud well what about the waste what waste because it's not stop it Sam what waste they just cut the the cut the agency that provides $295 million to
• 69:30 - 70:00 museums and libraries you appreciate libraries don't you I know how much reading is you're pinpointing the one good thing that they probably did what about the waste of countries all around the world for lgbtq agendas in Rwanda the money you're talking about a fraction of a percentage and if we wanted to get rid of that money there is a way of doing it and that is to have Congress vote and reverse what they uh uh authorized in the first place but to have a billionaire come in and decide
• 70:00 - 70:30 based upon what his personal preferences are that he's going to cut government in this way I'm sorry that's not democracy it's not even remotely close to it he doesn't have the power to do anything he makes a suggestion why do you think and administration will do it why do you think Americans voted for I don't think Americans heard the word Doge uh outside of it being some type of UR why do you think why do you think Americans voted for Trump well I think because they're they want change and what what were they not happy with I
• 70:30 - 71:00 think inflation was a big part of it for them what else you think I think for a for for a 90% of his voters voted for Mitt Romney I think there is a a the Republican party wants to you know have tax cuts how do we get inflation how does inflation can we St in 2024 you said inflation what give me one second how does inflation happen inflation can happen a couple of different ways inflation can happen because you have too much monetary
• 71:00 - 71:30 Supply yeah uh inflation can happen in terms of both from a monetary Supply level or a fiscal stimulus right and inflation can also happen if you have a once in a-lifetime pandemic that completely screws up all of your Logistics and so you've got uh um you know shipping containers that usually cost four grand to ship but now they cost 22 Grand to get because they're in far-flung places because the the pic21
• 71:30 - 72:00 that was in 2021 it it reverberates through the thing we saw inflation dropping through 2024 sure we saw I mean we saw rate Cuts uh on the table because we saw inflation Dr any of it was with uh uh again so those are the main two issues you don't think anything else so you mainly think it was inflation and your second point was um I think in in large large part we have structural problems in this country and that's why we keep getting change elections where we keep going back and forth back and
• 72:00 - 72:30 forth what was what was I would say those structural problems R range from I I think a lot of them have to do with wealth inequality okay so so you think Democrats are better better at helping wealth inequality or Republicans I think Democrats are marginally better tell me by due to what policy well a taxation helps uh that's a big part strengthening labor I think uh uh you know during Biden 6% of the workers work from home yeah labor I mean strengthening labor
• 72:30 - 73:00 strength in the marketplace helps with wealth inequality I think antitrust goes a long way uh to wealth inequality because it it literally is to break up the concentration here's the other question for you so Trump's close up the border right where we are not getting and like this numbers have dropped dramatically well I mean if you go back and look in the the and I don't necessarily agree with Biden doing this but if you go back and look at the numbers starting in the summer of 2024 maybe a little bit stop it I'm sorry go just put it up
• 73:00 - 73:30 there listen I'm not in favor of him doing this he did do wait put up the graph of so you mean an election year an election year he tried to slow down get through this and guys here's what I'd like to do I'm not in favor of I'd like to do I'd like to get through some stories but I just want to close the knot here and move on because we're not going to make any get a graph of that Rob if you just want to show up graph on immigration from 2021 22 23 is that the chart you want to see what do you want to see let's see the one over the past
• 73:30 - 74:00 uh uh you how many illegal immigrant in January and I'm suggesting if you look at the past 12 months no no it's the okay I Rob do me a favor find the chart on immediately when Trump comes in what happens to Illegal immigration in America while you're doing that here's a question for you 10 million IM illegal immigrants cap through the Border in four years under way more what's what's the number of undocumented immigrants you think we have in this country right now the the what what I'm
• 74:00 - 74:30 asking is those four years how many do we have during those four years that that came across that came through that we have according to credible sources what do what's what's the number you hear that we're that are in the country now or actually came illegally during those four years oh I would imagine it's it's probably close to like five six maybe to 10 million let's say 10 million people said 10 million let's say it's 10 million let's say it's 10 million but give or take two million let's just say it's 10 million the number okay those 10 million people that are coming here are they Rich no vast majority of them I would say are poor right okay that
• 74:30 - 75:00 they're coming here who does that benefit they're going to need jobs right and what are they willing to work for oh I I have I I I think they're going to get exploited without a doubt if that's where you're going oh oh so let me get the straight so so who do they benefit do they P benefit larger corporations that get cheap labor they benefit yeah get processing plants oh that's why I want them to have documents let them come to the the
• 75:00 - 75:30 Border give them documents so that they can get worker protections so then if that's the case you know what that validates Joe Biden and the Democratic policies are better for the billionaires than trumps are because they brought in cheap labor and that cheap labor helps who helps the rich I am in favor of of a a path to citizenship uh is much EAS and by the way those 10 million people that came here illegally give or take and that was in that bill that they
• 75:30 - 76:00 suggested in in the fall of 2023 that Trump said he didn't want because he wanted to keep it as a an issue who do those 10 million people take jobs away from who do they take jobs away from I don't know that they take jobs away from that many no we are at when I in in 20 years ago we were told that the lowest unemployment that it was possible to have with a functioning econom was what you remember it was something like 6 to 8% and now our unemployment is at 4% and
• 76:00 - 76:30 so I it was lower than that before I continue I I you're not answering the question though who do those people take jobs away from I I I have answered it I think largely they don't take jobs away from hang on perfect I love what you just said you think they don't take jobs away from anybody perfect so if we go and we look at when China CH started trading let me make the point when China came through and was able to bring labor
• 76:30 - 77:00 to us 1971 it was called the ping pong uh agreement that they had where you know we can send labor there and labor at the time was 8 cents to 20 cents an hour where for us minimum wage was a buck 60 then in 2001 when the Clinton policies helped China join the World Trade Organization and at the time minimum wage in China was 20 cents to 50 cents depending on different regions and for us was 515 we lost 6 million manuf vuring jobs give or take the next seven years Michigan you got Indiana you got all these other places where did those
• 77:00 - 77:30 jobs go to who did they replace who lost those jobs what happened manfacturing went to China that's right so what do you think these 10 million people that come here who are they going to take jobs away from Americans who are here legally those jobs are going to go to somebody that's cheap labor that was the movement of capital capital decided that it was cheaper for them to move to uh I'm specifically talking about last four years so when you're saying Labor's not going to be taken from people in America that's the credibility you lose that's where people in 2000 Rob can you play
• 77:30 - 78:00 the clip with Stephen A Smith who is been a staunch supporter of the democratic party for decades and now Stephen A Smith is being called as a member of magga you know Rob we can't play the whole thing can you go to the main part do you know the main part or no I do right after he reads this is when he responds okay let's see what he says Rob go for it this Owens Sean Hannity and other prominent voice voices from the right on this podcast as reasons for his premise
• 78:00 - 78:30 here's a portion of what he wrote on msnbc.com in an article titled ESPN Stephen A Smith is a megaphone for magga propaganda Jones says quote Stephen A Smith's Embrace of the magga movement and its influencers has only continued in recent days for example he has spoken with right-wing commentators Ben Shapiro Megan Kelly and Bill O'Reilly you might be thinking that these were adversarial chats between a left leaning Centrist and a conservative but to a
• 78:30 - 79:00 droit listeners they can come across more as conservatives in Friendly discussion than anything else Smith's overt politicism seems to fly in the face of ESPN's appearent effort in recent years to deter some of its Talent from speaking on controversial political matters either way the Network's most recognizable host is now regularly platforming magga propaganda at will end quote now um my team reached out to
• 79:00 - 79:30 Jones to have a discussion about the tico I wanted to invite him on the show to talk with me one-on-one personally I hope we get the opportunity to have that dialogue he was busy he didn't avoid the call or anything like that it was no comment or anything like that he didn't say anything he was just very very busy we called it the last minute no shade on him that's why it didn't happen but in the meantime let me express to you what I think about what he wrote I think that's the exact problem with the
• 79:30 - 80:00 left you see if I don't agree with you I must be magga it must be the case I'm platforming magga propaganda is that so I don't view it that way first of all even though I lean left particularly with how I vote with presidential elections I want to emphasize that I've always been a Centrist my entire life I've never once described myself as a
• 80:00 - 80:30 democrat or a republican I'm a Centrist I'm a moderate I don't trust either side I'm not on one side of the other hookline of Sinker you will see images or you'll hear me rattle off names of people who've been on this show um yes you see Ben Shapiro there yes you see Bill oaly there yes I was recently on Megan's ke Megan show did you know I'm on news Nation with Chris Cuomo every
• 80:30 - 81:00 week did you know that I just appeared with Jake Tapper on CNN do you know I've been on MSNBC on several occasions you do you know you can PA so do you know what happens when a guy like Stephen A Smith he said he's always voted left when it comes on to presidential uh uh uh candidates that he has so he he's not a guy that voted for Trump right when a guy like him comes out and he says what the hell is going on with the
• 81:00 - 81:30 Democratic party is that what he saying there oh he said it many you you must not follow what he says because he has said that non-stop the last two months three mon I don't follow what he you should he's actually very good he's reasonable it would be good for you to watch I like his approach I think he's a do you guys identify as MAA no any of you guys identify here's my question what question seems to think y That's what I'm saying make America great again it shouldn't be if you want to make America great again I'm all in call me magga all freaking
• 81:30 - 82:00 day mag I'm I just I'm mag I just want to make America great he seems to take it as an insult no I am America first I'm America first I voted for Trump in 2016 I voted for him 2020 in 2022 when people were leaving to the DeSantis Camp I stayed on the Trump Camp I've never been off that camp he's the right guy for America and I've been a register independent now for about 17 years what do you think about these tariffs no no stay on this topic here with Stephen
• 82:00 - 82:30 we'll go to top guy from I've never heard of from never heard of Stephen aith no the guy who wrote the the what do you think about you know what he's been talking about lately with the Democratic party cist I don't have to uh subscribe to what a Centrist perspective I mean he's a Centrist like Gavin Nome is a Centrist Gavin new Gavin Nome is saying the exact same thing as Stephen A Smith he realiz Progressive policies have been a
• 82:30 - 83:00 disaster he a c realiz progress is horrible maybe it's because maybe it's like just you don't understand you guys don't seem to I have a set of politics I don't care what Stephen A Smith does I don't care what Gavin Newsome does I don't I don't care so you're rigid you're not changing anything it's not a question of I'm rigid and I'm not changing anything like I uh uh there are specifics like you
• 83:00 - 83:30 know over time I've had a different perspective on the deficit uh over the past 20 years and understood it in a different you become more liberal over the last 20 years you become more of a leftist and Progressive you got to be more Mal you got be more I mean to the extent like I don't you know like you guys have these like labels that you like to to to use and and there's some type of gradation I've always I've always been about where I am in terms of of Taxation but I am for a little bit more decommodification probably than I was
• 83:30 - 84:00 years ago in all I'm saying here before we look I want to go to the audience audience we're coming to you here in a second to go through some of the stories here wa we going to talk about tariffs we're going to talk whatever stories we go through but the one thing we did learn here with you is America grew up the last four years I'm sorry about that America grew up the last four years many Democrats grew up up every state became more Republican because of the horrible policies on the left whether it was how they handled covid what they did with
• 84:00 - 84:30 our kids how they handled people that didn't want to take the vaccine and people were fed up and they voted for a guy who had already been president for four years so it's not like they said they want something new they said no we want to go back to the guy previous to that guy that is the biggest black eye to Obama to Kamala to Democrats to everybody on the left when they went back to the guy that they said they didn't want four years later saying it's like an ex coming back and saying babe I
• 84:30 - 85:00 messed up I should have never gone with the other guy you were my guy or guy babe I screwed up I should have never left you for the other girl I'm such a dummy please Trump come back that's what America did and a guy like you who I'm not a big fan of of Obama's and I'm not a big fan of uh of Harris's either but the point is you still haven't graduated Sanders that's like seventh grade the people that follow Sanders and AOC are in seventh grade 8ighth grade their heroes are in high school your philosophies are popular in high schools
• 85:00 - 85:30 not with adults the policies that you support are high school Poli popular when I was in high school oh are you kidding me Carl Marx was a hero in kids that went to high school cuz teachers were feeding the KL Mark stuff I went to high school Ronald Reagan was President I can assure you that um and and the wall still existed and uh there was fear of communis M and that socialism was barely ever expressed you're step away from communism like socialism is a step
• 85:30 - 86:00 away from communism that's kind of where you are you're like you're right there saying guys I don't want to fully publicly say I'm a communist I'll stay in this room because it's like Mega don't even identify as a socialist either there Progressive though I I I would say I'm a progressive I right of of progressive what's left of progressive I know you're not big on labels but just humor me what's right and left you know I I'm probably a Social Democrat so I would say that there is a certain amount of society
• 86:00 - 86:30 where I believe we do not need the uh private uh Market to to deliver it and is less efficient so when it comes to health insurance we have already in this country onethird maybe a little more actually on uh some form of government health insurance the VA is actually government healthare the doctors work for government and that is actually gets very very high Mar and all I hear is good things about the VA thebody High
• 86:30 - 87:00 marks the healthcare does that's 100% false I get the worst service from the VA let's just and I'm a veteran and he's a veteran he doesn't go to the VA I go to the VA I I called yesterday just to make an example in our in our in our work area I called nobody's picking up the phone for me to get an appointment zero and when you go there it's the most depressing thing but the good news is when you go to like get your um to the DMV the driver's license that's great service no that's the best yeah that's the best the VA the VA is
• 87:00 - 87:30 not good States uh run uh uh the the DMVs but my experience with the DMV is not that bad respectfully there's one thing you said there's one thing you said you said the private Market is less efficient we can look at 250 years of government and everything we've got here that I just can't get past Adra cost for Medicare if that's your administrative C for Medicare hang on if that's your your one of your found foundational beliefs that the private markets will be less efficient then it's no wonder you where you are I'm not going to pick on it if
• 87:30 - 88:00 that's your foundational what is the administrative cost for uh Medicare tell us two to three cents of every dollar in Medicare is spent on administrative costs in the Private health administrative defined as what you got to be careful I got to be careful when I hear things like that because guess what you go back and you look at well I was only counting this I'm not counting this it's like the same way you have a dollar same way your side count unemployment come out later andjust all the St 97 to 98 cents
• 88:00 - 88:30 actually goes to paying Medicare providers doctors um you know we're we're going to move on tenant that the private Market less efficient is WR every dollar we can't discuss because they're paying for advertising they're paying for shareholder value etc etc so for every dollar you spend and and on top of which anybody who has Private
• 88:30 - 89:00 health insurance who deals with it themselves knows it's like having a second job just to either get reimbursed or you get you you got to figure out every year when you resign up it's my doctor in or out of the program it's a mess it's a disaster the most inent so wonderful why up and Medicare Advantage invented it's so good Medicare it's everything Republicans wanted to priv it and is that medic that Medicare Advantage is
• 89:00 - 89:30 the worst part of Medicare and people get sucked into it and they find out that they've been hoodwinked I mean these are all easily found data point Sam how did you fly here yeah did you go through TSA did you go through TSA pre-check did you go through clear who you what' you go through uh on the way here uh my TSA pre-check was not on the thing so I just went through that's messed up you paid for it though right yeah was 60 bucks for the TSA I'm saying but you pay I think was like a 500 bucks or 100 bucks for five years for a TSA pre-check TSA
• 89:30 - 90:00 pre-check I think is $65 for five years that's amazing it's a great deal why don't you do clear I don't want to do a private uh company TSA pre-check is basically like a public private partnership where you a little is TSA pre-check is the government you pay a I'm not going to give my Biometrics to looks at private companies and he frowns about frowns upon private companies going that's all it is I didn't F I'm
• 90:00 - 90:30 not going to give my money to a private company just so you know and that's just want own and run one yeah so let's let's go to the next story with can we stay there for a second please you don't want to give money to a private company but you are a private company trying to make money biometric information to a private company you're using a your dollars what about just private companies in Happ fine with TSA preach we already got it okay I I'm I'm learning moving on I already learned I understand great so we know what the argument is Progressive
• 90:30 - 91:00 Trump set to unleash Liberation day tariffs president Trump will unveil Liberation day tariffs on Wednesday at 4 p.m. that was yesterday that was yesterday in a White House as Rose Garden promising to stop America being ripped off and deliver a new golden age of us industry though us white uh White House Press secret car L said that he was still perfecting it to make sure it's a perfect deal with advisers less uh than 24 hours before Trump who on Monday claimed he'd be very kind has
• 91:00 - 91:30 kept uh details vog with reports suggesting options from reciprocal tariffs to a 20% blanket rate or pref preferential treatment for some Nations Rob if you want to play this is this yesterday Rob or is this uh this is yesterday from the Rose Garden this is fantastic go for it my fellow Americans This is Liberation day waiting for a long time we all about to apr25 will forever be remembered as the
• 91:30 - 92:00 day American industry was Reborn the day America's Destiny was reclaimed and the day that we began to make America wealthy again going to make it wealthy good and Wealthy I also have another clip this is the president discussing how uh the tariffs will help eliminate income tax from 1789 to 1913 we were a tariff backed nation in the United States was proportionately
• 92:00 - 92:30 the wealthiest it has ever been so wealthy in fact that in the 1880s they established a commission to decide what they were going to do with the vast sums of money they were collecting we were collecting so much money so fast we didn't know what to do with it isn't that a nice problem to have what do you think Marco good problem Marco would love that problem but uh we don't have that problem anymore but we're not going to have it very much longer I will tell you but they collected so much money they
• 92:30 - 93:00 actually formed a commission to determine what they were going to do with the money who they were going to give it to and how much then in 1913 for reasons unknown to mankind they established the income tax so that citizens rather than foreign countries would start paying the money necessary to run our government then in 1929 it all came to a very abrupt end with a Great Depression and it would have never happened if they had stayed with the Tariff policy it would have been a much different story they tried to bring back
• 93:00 - 93:30 tariffs to save our country but it was gone it was gone it was too late nothing could have been done took years and years to get out of that depression far longer than even FDR had that office right over there for a long period of time the ramp system that's rather intricate was built because of him and every time you walk up you think of him and he did a great job in many ways but it lasted long Beyond his terms as you know but it's not too late any longer
• 93:30 - 94:00 and we're going to uh start being smart and we're going to start being very wealthy again we're going to be wealthy as a country because they've taken so much of our wealth away from us we're not going to let that happen we truly can be very wealthy we can be so much wealthier than any country it's not even believable but we're getting smart okay Tom your thoughts on this and I'm G come to you so markets love continuity even if continuity is rooted in you know trade
• 94:00 - 94:30 inequality and things have been going on for decades Y and to get through the shift to get through the food poisoning it's going to we can see markets react the sentiment and markets don't know what to make of this how many tariffs are going to stay for a day versus a week versus a month you don't know how many tariffs are going to ship Israel actually backed down and said okay we're done yesterday yesterday correct Israel went Hang on we're good we're backing off we're done here interesting Canada
• 94:30 - 95:00 moved a couple of them not the rest of them Canada's still figuring it out but they're blinking Canada is blinking so now the question is going to be how long does all this T and the markets you know the markets don't like it the markets don't like the sentiment of uncertainty and that's why you have Jim Kramer and other people oh we're getting killed out here you're getting killed because you like the status quo that you had a minute ago cuz you knew how to play that game and you knew how those markets worked and respectfully they're there to trade make money in increasing Market
• 95:00 - 95:30 what is easier it's easier to stay yesterday with what we've got or there's a greater goal and the greater goal is American jobs and the jobs report was better than people thought huh interesting that's not a headline why is that buried and you've got the uncertainty of the markets now the uncertainty markets makes everybody look at their 401k and look at the things and be concerned and yes there's concern there but you got to look down the street and see where we're going and it is not easy to get through the food
• 95:30 - 96:00 poisoning but there is life on the other side and you can see that's what the president is talking about and I think we got to trust it and we got to look at what's going on we can already see little islands of change going on so let's find out how everybody else moves on these tariffs Sam you said Tariff was the last word that was the only time you used the word tariff look I am in favor of tariffs when it is part of a specific agenda to build a certain
• 96:00 - 96:30 industry uh or a certain industry within a certain region this is absolute Insanity first off they're going to use this as a potential Revenue like he says it's not going to replace the income tax but what they're going to do is they're going to use it as an excuse to cut uh taxes on wealthy people you guys will be very excited about that but who who's going to pay that tax if it's $600 billion a year as they're saying over a 10year period it's going to be $6 trillion um that is going to be a five
• 96:30 - 97:00 an average of $5,000 tax on Americans it is a regressive tax I like taxation but I like progressive taxation because $55,000 for somebody making $40,000 is a much bigger problem than $5,000 for me or for you and so this is a regressive tax on Americans now if it's to work to build up industry and I don't know how
• 97:00 - 97:30 we're going to have a banana industry in this country or how we're going to have a lumber industry to rival Canada because we just don't have the wood or and so on I mean people get the idea you know there's certain industries you can actually say this is one we're going to build up um maybe there will be a a lowcost uh uh clothing uh business that that revives in this country but I doubt it but if tariffs are meant to work to build up industry that means people aren't paying those those taxes so the
• 97:30 - 98:00 tariffs may not raise the money but what will happen is and I think you understand this too about pricing if the price of goods goes up on average and it looks like in some of these places it's going to go way above 10% I mean some of like you know Vietnam like 39% China 75% they're adding all these tariffs on it's insane um then us companies to the extent that there are ones that are making these same Goods they have between zero and
• 98:00 - 98:30 75% to raise their prices and they will because you know like the price of this there's a certain elasticity and they can justify raising their prices 5% if their nearest competitor is you know 25% raise in price I mean they'll do it because you know there's some products that people just can't do without so this is such a disaster and of course it also what it also does is last time we
• 98:30 - 99:00 had a major financial crisis in this country in 2008 it took six years for the stock market to get back at parody you're talking about the you know 401ks have been a disaster in so far as like people just don't put as much money in them as they should because they don't have the money on a regular basis but God helped those people if there wasn't Social Security a robust Social Security because if you've got a retire and you're 65 and you were planning on retiring you have a small 401K it is
• 99:00 - 99:30 screwed and it may not come back for years maybe it'll come back tomorrow but uh how do you feel about reciprocal tariffs here's the other absolute Insanity those tariffs that he claimed on that chart are not tariffs every every Economist out there has been saying where did he get these numbers and they're star to figure out that they did some weird there's countries on there that don't even have people in them it's bizarre they took like the CIA
• 99:30 - 100:00 Factbook and just made a list of countries I mean it's completely for show which countries uh there's Google it there's like one or two places where there's no people every single one of those countries they released a big re uh uh release he'll find it um and these are not actual tariffs that are being applied to us every single one of these countries are you sure there's people there China the EU Vietnam Taiwan japania South Korea Thailand Switzerland
• 100:00 - 100:30 Indonesia Malaysia Cambodia which of those countries aren't there not people living put in the uh uh Trump just uh you know added a tariff on a country with no but okay so heed one country that maybe just an indication of how slap Dash this is these are not tariffs these are fing on one random those those reciprocal tariffs they're not they're not those aren't tariffs he is he is combin he is basically what they've tried to figure out is like where' they get these
• 100:30 - 101:00 numbers from and they have taken the trade deficit and divided it by um by what we send there and that's the way that they've they've assumed that that's a tariff it's basically they're just saying we have these trade deficits and of course we have trade deficits with with with certain places because there's some products that we're just never going to make and there's some places that don't have the buying power that we have I mean so this is this is just bizarre and uh and even like former
• 101:00 - 101:30 Trump trade people were just like well maybe it's just an opening Salvo for a negotiation and maybe it is I mean you know like I I'm just fortunate that I'm not planning on retiring soon and my 401k isn't uh decimated but this is going to cause inflation and these prices are not going to come down I mean Trump is trying to tell us automakers don't raise your price and if he wants to impose uh um price controls he would not be the first Republican president to do this Nixon was the first uh president
• 101:30 - 102:00 and the only President as far as I know to do price controls at least in the modern era I'm not necessarily against price controls in certain situations but this is like such an own goal it's fascinating um of course no Jimmy Carter's wag price controls were decades before Nixon whoops whoops checking my notes no uh leave us after right it wasn't just Nixon well Nixon started part right and there was no other president since started I was just kind of correcting that
• 102:00 - 102:30 okay back I'm for Price controls you are for Price controls well I think we should have agenda we should have impli we should have applied some in the in the wake of covid yes there was a lot of gouging going on I think everybody knows that I think it's I mean there there's plenty of data that at least 40% of the inflation was a function of gouging in some form or well Sam number one respect for you for being here I don't think like genuinely you're whether you're a progressive or Democratic Socialist or
• 102:30 - 103:00 skew socialist you're talking to a bunch of capitalists and an angry Patriot that's cool like we're not going to change your mind you're probably not going to change our mind but what we're solving for is the truth the the reality is these reciprocal tariffs what Pat asked you about are you familiar with the golden rule do unto others as you want to do unto them is that Bingo do you abide by the golden rule I mean in my personal relationships yes there you go so the golden rule is you want to do something
• 103:00 - 103:30 to me I'm going to do it to you if you treat me fairly I'll treat you fairly if you're good with me I'll be good with you but if you want constitutes Fair hold on guy if you want to actually take advantage of me then all of a sudden we might have to have a economic war and that's what's happening so if you show up that list I know you want to focus on the one random country that you can't name hold on tell tell us how England is taking advantage of us well England is part of the UK we understand that but if you want to go how the UK hold Sam taking advantage hold on you know when
• 103:30 - 104:00 people talk you listen and then when you talk I listen that's how conversations go you know that I'm just asking you to clarify your I'm going to get there so the way that these tariffs work is if they're doing something to us we'll do something to them Rob show the picture so I would love to hear what you think so all these countries have people living in all these countries these uh you know China the EU that's part of you know yeah all those countries over there you get the UK over there Vietnam Taiwan Japan India I'm pretty sure there's a bunch of people living in India South Korea Thailand all these countries are
• 104:00 - 104:30 charging us so the reality is if you go through the numbers not feeling there's the whole list Sam I need you to pay attention the charging I got it a whole list they're charging us way more 90% of to access their markets than we are charging that is not that's the whole point those are not tariffs stop it you're going to have to bre Rob do me a favor charging on average 22% the EU is charging on average 20% Japan is 24% China 34% Taiwan 32%
• 104:30 - 105:00 Vietnam 46% these is what the numbers are now if you have different numbers I'd love to see them but the reality is some of these countries are our friends and some of these countries are our foes and in As Trump says if you want to listen to what Trump says in many cases you know many of our friends are a lot worse he cited Australia won't even let us sell us beef so all these situations are actual numbers you know he talks about the Golden Rule Trum there's a there's a
• 105:00 - 105:30 there's a a similarity there the Golden Age of America is what he talking about because this is a way to bring down our deficits to reduce taxes I would love to hear if you had a better idea bring down our deficits when you there these are trade deficits okay so we have a trade deficit with Canada of $200 billion a year they charge us in in many cases 200 to 300% for dairy okay Mexico as an example they do not no you're absolutely 100% wrong in the dairy no no no your Dairy thing is
• 105:30 - 106:00 absolutely wrong you think you think this is my Dairy thing Trump said in speech Yes Trump lied there is not a single pint of mil just like you li how many countries don't have people pretty sure India's got a couple people that Dairy goes to to Canada not we don't if we we sell a certain threshold tariffs are applied but we don't reach that threshold ever there are no not a dollar because it's too damn expensive to access the marketplace anyway I'm talking about the sweeping tariffs
• 106:00 - 106:30 you're talking about being a Milkman what I want to understand is why don't you think don't care about any of facts at allar don't BS me hilarious I used to think Google dairy Google dairy tariffs to Canada [ __ ] your Dairy I'm talking brought up Dairy but you want to go I'm giving one example you want to have that's the only example you gave Auto Auto Industries they're charging us 25% we're we're now doing a minimum tax 10% across the board so minimum but in other
• 106:30 - 107:00 places Vietnam let me let me ask a simple question though the whole thing Adam just said it could have been simplified to we have around a trillion dollars of trade deficits would you like to fix that part of the reason why we have those trade deficits is because a we keep our dollar strong B because there are bigger uh customer bases uh uh in this country than in other countries we our economy is a based upon help other countries economy improve don't
• 107:00 - 107:30 you think we have the leverage to ask more from them I I think again I think tariffs work if there is a specific industry yeah we saw this in the chips act right there were carrots and there were sticks in the chips act we want to onshore chip production in this country both for like you know economic reasons but also like long-term national security reasons for and so what you do is you provide incentives and disincentives have you ever negotiated a deal with anybody well I mean yeah I
• 107:30 - 108:00 guess so you do and are you decent negotiator are you a bad negotiator are you a horrible negotiator where would you put yourself as a negotiator it it it depends on the context okay do you try to find a way to negotiate where both sides win like a fair negotiation okay so this is news week it's a you know newspaper and Outlet that's on the left but Rob if you can go all the way to the top okay this is a Newsweek Outlet so full list of countries of reciprocal tariffs this is from today I believe if I'm not mistaken yesterday
• 108:00 - 108:30 was updated today okay go a little bit low Rob if you could so let's just kind of go no no let's just start from the top and see what it says so it talks about the Liberation day great got it why matters tariffs remain in place until us Narrows a 1.2 trade imbalance recorded last year that means we're making others $1.2 trillion more than we're making okay that that's the imbalance okay so this is news week the president said there was a we are buying more stuff from other places than
• 108:30 - 109:00 they're buying from us sure we have the biggest consumer engine in the world so we would make sense but okay so if that's the argument continue now then then the next thing would be hey charge me the same thing I'm buying from you as you're buying from me let's keep that number the same number don't overcharge me for it that's very that is not a tough request that we're making go a little bit lower Rob keep going so the president is based on ter 10% of All Imports okay great according to char Trump held you 34% on Chinese Imports 20% on Goods European Goods all that
• 109:00 - 109:30 that that'll come up when we go a little bit lower that's the picture he's talking about keep going lower Rob so it's ultimately going to be 54 plus another 10 on China until we become reciprocal yes the US had an overall trade deficit of 918 in 2024 with the largest gaps coming from China 295 EU 235 Mexico 172 Vietnam 123 that's the numbers that we have there then Cambodia tapped at a chart of 49% tariffs followed by Madagascar 47% Sri Lanka 44% Vietnam 46% if these were the two
• 109:30 - 110:00 countries you said they don't have people there I think they got people there so if we go a little bit lower uh keep going keep going keep going here's a full list from uh uh Newsweek China tariffs charged to the US 67% us to them 34% EU the list that the White House put out and all economists are looking at this and going what are they talking about fact check yeah they're not going to put out false information we can fact check this if not that's news week you don't believe presid United States just H you believe in real news so uh uh
• 110:00 - 110:30 Taiwan 6432 Japan 4624 India 5226 who the hell negotiate look at by the way each one of them it's almost 2x 26 * 2 is 52 25 * 2 is 50 36 * 2 is 72 31 time 2 is 62 but they did 61 32 * 2 is 64 Malaysia 2447 go a little bit lower wrap 4997 1010 UK were the same so South Africa 3060 Brazil 1010 Bangladesh 3774 2x if if these numbers are true Sam
• 110:30 - 111:00 let's say somebody on the left okay fact checks this and this is someone that's a person you respect if these numbers are accurate what do you say then I'm going to read from CNBC since you guys won't Google this many observers said the US appeared to have divided the trade deficit by Imports from a given country to arrive at tariff R indivual show the Audi see Google uh CNBC how did the US arrive
• 111:00 - 111:30 at its go for it we're not uncomfortable showing Clips just say it he'll pull it up so which part do you want him to read well scroll down right there just number two many observers said the US appeared to have divided the trade deficit by imports from a given country to arrive at tariff rates for individual countries many observers such methodology doesn't necessarily align with conventional approach calculate tariffs I mean they've just made up what the tariffs were no Sam okay maybe their methodology
• 111:30 - 112:00 is different what are the actual tariffs this is my question though iars I actually want to know this here rob you can ask grock to fact check it you can go under Charlie Kirk and just type in grock is this accurate these numbers you can go to Chad gbt that's ran by Sam Altman who is an enemy of musk and see what that one says you can fact check both of them this is all I want to ask you to see what's your credibil would being able to reason if those are correct that they are charging us more taxes then we are what do you think is
• 112:00 - 112:30 the right thing to happen if those numbers are correct I think we should look at what industries we want to build in this country car industry let's say let's say we want to build solar panels which is one that I would choose um just as an example we could go down the list right and I would also look at at like okay what regions do we have in this country that need more jobs more manufacturing and then I would Target
• 112:30 - 113:00 tariffs not necessarily on the whole country that's coming in but I would Target on those products coming from a given country because that is what is called a plan does it matter as opposed to this absolutely so oh so you're willing to pay more to the you're willing to allow the other person to tax you more for product you're buying than you're doing it to them who needs who more they're not they're not taxing me they're hang on a second reciprocal tariff is simple it's saying if you
• 113:00 - 113:30 charge me an additional 30 let's match it I'll do 30 as well the the point is is that when uh let's say China has a 50% tariff on our cars yes okay and they do that because they want to build their car industry it is not going to create inflation in China uh because they have such a high tariff on our we we may have and certainly by we we mean Corporate America politicians and may not Corporate America politician
• 113:30 - 114:00 it's Corporate America it's politician listen come I saw in the 0 like how Corporate America was so freed squ my question my question is if that's accurate if those numbers are accurate they will be in charge punish the American people with a regressive tax because you have some Lally Elementary School element school weon if those are true okay on them charging us
• 114:00 - 114:30 more would you they they're charging more for our products to get in there do you think it's fair for us to pay twice as much as they're they're we're charging them do you think that's fair I don't think that fairness has anything to do with it what's one claims your a fair Guy what's best for the American public so let me ask another question who needs who more is YouTube you or do you need YouTube um I I probably need YouTube more why do you need YouTube more
• 114:30 - 115:00 because they have a lot of other people they can go to oh thank you who needs who more America do you need the American customers or do we need Bangladesh who needs who more uh we better hope that a lot of these countries don't I mean Canada is starting to develop a different relationship with China I mean this is going to ruin uh a lot it's going to bring jobs to America this is why Apple said I'm investing 500 TR billion here this is why euu said 1.4 trillion this is why Saudi
• 115:00 - 115:30 said 600 billion this is why all these companies said hundreds of billion why why are they saying that though why are they saying that why think but why do you think why why did Rolls-Royce say we're going to move our different uh uh plants that we have from Mexico Canada and China to us why are they saying that why why are they saying that these are jobs for your American people that are not getting paid Trump's trying to get those people jobs why don't you support there may be there may be uh there may be some benefit in terms of like manufacturing but overall you're going to have a regressive tax on Americans if
• 115:30 - 116:00 if if you it's not targeted when you Target cars I agree with you tariffs have a place but there's no plan here the idea of just blanket fairness doesn't mean anything because you're forcing Americans dude the guy's done more in the 60 days than the last previous four presidents not including him hope the courts Contin to inhibit what he's doing well that's job Sam
• 116:00 - 116:30 where you go we're just to build on what Pat was saying Apple promising to invest 500 billion SoftBank Oracle 500 billion Nvidia tsmc the 100 billion 200 billion meta 500 billion Eli Lily 27 billion Johnson and Johnson dmax CMA CGM santis GM hondai the list goes on all these companies basically saying we're going to bring back manufacturing jobs to America bringing back jobs will stimulate the economy isn't that good
• 116:30 - 117:00 for America part of why I respect samed is the let me tell you why I respect IND you I respect Sam can be helpful here I respect we're not going to get huge banana production in the United States but now your bananas are going to cost an extra 10 20% hundreds of billions of dollars he's not going to give you credit he's not you don't understand he just said earlier I'm not going to give my money to private coration okay got he just told you I'm not going to give it to clear at the airport no no you said private TSA Pre why would I give it to
• 117:00 - 117:30 the pr we go back and play what you exactly said this is recorded So for for me to me I'm I'm already at a point that for you know you you I ask you if it's the same if those numbers are accurate do you support it no I would go okay so no matter what Trump does you're not going to support no I would support targeted tariffs of doar are going to be invested in the US economy to create jobs you don't support that if trillions of dollars of money is going to be invested into our economy to create jobs you
• 117:30 - 118:00 don't support that you want that money to go to the 10 million illegal immigrants that came here that that was open order on the Biden that's what you're saying and by the way the fact that you're open about it and you're honest about it great okay at least you're not playing games at least you're saying that's who I am I would much rather give my money to TSA because it's a government entity then clear it's it's private I would much try to give my jobs to illegal immigrants than give the jobs americ also like double the price it is for at least you get what
• 118:00 - 118:30 that's now you're changing now the argument I I I I even had a problem to be honest with you paying uh TSA Pre because it is sort of just creates two tier would you be comfortable if there was no clear and no TSA pre-check and everyone just had to do be the exactly the same just everyone TSA I mean would you be comfortable with that comfortable in this I mean the way that there's no paying for anything there's no clear no to people afford to pay that they have to wait in line and that uh rich people
• 118:30 - 119:00 get to fly through I I I I do struggle did you fly first class on the way here no have you ever flown first class uh back in my show business days what an elitist you are have you ever flown private they would pay you ever flown private so everyone should be the same everyone should just do TSA everyone should fly economy it's very unfair if something people are doing better than other I think we can I think can agree that it is a little unfair that money will get you through that line at the
• 119:00 - 119:30 airport which is like a supposed to be mass communication I mean mass transportation yeah I do think do do you only take the regular basic Uber do I do I only take the basic Uber Uber lift do you only take do you never use the black you never use the the SUV I did to come here what an El you are what you sent oh so you won't pay out of pocket but if someone will pay for you but wait there's one thing dude you're a straight up communist I love it hold there's one thing that you
• 119:30 - 120:00 said that I respect the fact that you're this you're here you're just espousing Socialist Communist ideas massive respect for you coming here you can embrace it it's all good the one thing that kind of just brushed over no is you saying that you hoped that these judges keep interfering with Trump's agenda which is you're basically cheering for unelected bureaucrats to go against the will of the people like you're hearing yourself that's not democracy that's a power grab so you're happy with all the judges and all the law Trum those you're
• 120:00 - 120:30 cool with that so if that happens to you're guy I am cool with judges appointed by Bush and Obama and Biden and Trump uh stopping the unelected bureaucrat Elon Musk from shutting down key functions of our government yes okay our government has been broken for like what what has anybody done to fix any of the problem all the money going all the everything the fact that you're happy with them trying to Sam this is the will
• 120:30 - 121:00 of the people how many 70 some million people you could laugh all you want but you're happy with judges interfering with what the president of the United States has been tasked to do he has a mandate and he's kicking ass and I feel Sam with quote from Elon Musk this is a referendum on Trump this is a referendum on Doge this is a referendum on Musk and two nights ago he got clobbered in Wisconsin and he was there on the ground in front of a big uh uh
• 121:00 - 121:30 American flag telling lies about social security and uh the American people in Wisconsin not all not all 60% 60% of the people in Wisconsin this purple State basically said go home enough so that Trump has to leak that he's gonna go he's going to get rid of uh a musk and kick him out I don't think he actually will but he feels he felt the sting enough that he realizes he has to do that because Doge and musk and I
• 121:30 - 122:00 suggest Trump very unpopular I mean obviously we're talking a margin right because uh there's going to be 45% of people who are going to be in favor of whoever the Democrat is and 45% who are going to be in favor of whoever the Republican is but on the margins yeah yes 6 months ago it was different but today it's very different I think but but Sam and here's the thing okay so Trump is done after this right four years he's gone you promise well he's
• 122:00 - 122:30 going to be gone like he likes to troll all you guys and you guys all lose your minds and I and I get it what what here's my thing again and this is going back to the beginning what are you guys offering what is your side saying to okay besides the Trump evil Hitler because that [ __ ] didn't work your side literally called him Hitler and the guy got shot in the freaking head okay that's your party now now he's going to be gone okay what who are you guys going to put up who is it cuz it looks like it's going to be Gavin Nome he's podcast all this shifting to the other side you guys
• 122:30 - 123:00 literally have no M bet I would bet you any amount of money that it's not Gavin Nome it's going to be the front runner for this upcoming up the I will bet you any amount of money that the nominee in 2028 will not be Gavin Nome not nominee or is he going to be running guys front runner run place your bet yeah let's bucks 100 bucks that's all let's do 500 bucks look 500 get for 100 should get for 100 be a [ __ ] Adam shut your freaking I bet you 500 all the freaking time bet the midle bet in the middle I
• 123:00 - 123:30 still want to know who who who would you think and in 2028 let me finish in 2028 who is going if right now I know it's it's a while out who in 2028 is going to be the front runner for the Democratic party if it's not going to be Gavin Nome who that slithering snake is making the move to do it who who is it going to be I'm very curious I will bet you a thousand it won't be Gavin Newsome but you're you're stuck um I don't know I think there's a
• 123:30 - 124:00 chance that I think that like if I had to guess this is not necessarily who I would support um and I'm gonna wait I don't really to be honest with you I have spent zero time thinking about 2028 but if I had to guess I would say somebody no that's absolutely true uh I would say um pritsker Whitmer um pritz prit billionaire are you comfortable with the fact that he's a billionaire no um like I say I'm just
• 124:00 - 124:30 guessing based upon like what I'm I'm seeing out there I think Budaj also not a fan I think he's gonna run I think like you say Newsome's going to run I would imagine there's going to be a couple of people in Congress who are going to run um I I you know I don't I don't know if we know if I could even in a list of people that I would name I would feel that confident that I would know who would win if you and M been dead for so long that's funny if you could root for one person
• 124:30 - 125:00 like just like I would like to see this person who would it be said it earlier Bernie Bernie well no Bernie he's I mean too old he's not so AOC is that your favorite C I don't think would be would would win so who's your person if you could put your money on person H that was my point they don't have anybody that was my point they have nobody I don't speak for the Democratic asking the you got to have someone in mind I think Murphy's also going to run I want to see what people like who shows
• 125:00 - 125:30 up with what I'm not even I'm not even speculating I'm asking who would you want to see you no no I but you don't have anybody yeah you don't understand yeah I want to see who's going to you're a big podcaster you don't have one person you'd like to see to be president yes it really depends like on just give me a name of who I don't have like how do you have a name well that was my point they don't have any that's the whole point I was Mak I'm not asking I'm just saying Sam Cedar professional podcaster Progressive Democratic Socialist you don't have one
• 125:30 - 126:00 person you'd like to see like to see as president himself i' vote for Sam that's it I mean I'm curious you know I'd be curious like if I I just don't know enough about like someone like Andy Bashar okay but you know enough of who you like just say who you like push back I don't I I I I I I don't I don't have that kind of relationship with politicians you don't you don't know their names know their Nam listen I've had on the show on Sam
• 126:00 - 126:30 Bro do better just say a name we'll move on cck no I don't like her policies who do you like um I mean I I Jim McGovern from uh Wester M there we go Jim MCG former Congressman congratulations Jim MC that was I don't think there's our boy there he is future president of the United States Jimmy mcover BR making America great let's go to the next story to to I'd like to do two more I'd like to do two more he's a great actually Congressman no doubt no
• 126:30 - 127:00 doubt he's got a chance Texas high school football star you know you should also keep an eye on Pat Ryan I mean there's some stuff I disagree with him on uh policy but he's also pretty good up in the 18th now you know names I love it Texas high school football store Austin medca stabbed in the heart left to die in Twin Brothers arms at track meet this is a very very difficult story this is the father and Vinnie maybe you want to preface what happened with the story here okay so so they uh allegedly they
• 127:00 - 127:30 went to a uh a track meet and I guess the the guy in the bottom uh set some like or uh the the guy on the top said hey you're like you're in the wrong area he stands up stabs that kid and on the top in the heart uh and the other guy runs away and then his brother his twin brother comes and holds him as he's taking his last breath and uh and he dies and then this this is the Father which is the most this is probably one of the most humble Christian like based
• 127:30 - 128:00 freaking interviews he's getting a little bit emotional but listen what he says about the whole situation got in his brother's arms they were I they were twins identical twins and his brother was holding on to him trying to make it stop bleeding and he and he died in his brother's arms and I rushed up there and I saw him on the on the ground and I could tell they said he wasn't breathing I could see all the blood I saw where the wound was Austin his father shares was born 2 minutes before
• 128:00 - 128:30 his twin brother Hunter the two Inseparable as you can imagine Austin is being remembered as an outstanding student at Memorial High his football team's MVP and a young man of Faith his father grappling with loss and forgiveness I'm not trying to judge but what kind of parents did this child have what was he taught he brought a knife to a track meat and he murdered my
• 128:30 - 129:00 son by stabbing him in the heart the son the guy was in the wrong place they asked him to move and he bowed up this is murder I don't know I know they have someone in custody yeah they do and you know what I already forgive this person already already wow un God takes care of things God's going to take care of me God's going to take care of my family wow Tom I think this is one of the most
• 129:00 - 129:30 amazing testimonies I've seen in a long long time and I think there's something there's two things here and he's asking without condemnation just the question I think we all should be asking what was up with the parents is this is this a single parent household is what what sort of guidance was there uh what sort of enablement you know are are we are we giving and to stand up and
• 129:30 - 130:00 say I forgive this most people won't understand they say I can't forgive him I want him to go to prison well maybe that's what you want and now and maybe that's what you're going to get because there's consequences for crime and if this young man the one that's photographed there in the mug shot that's being circulated if that's the guy and this is what he's done and the witnesses confirm it then he's going to go to trial and it that's all going to shake out and he's going to go to prison for a long long time and I I think consequences are different from forgiveness and the Forgiveness this guy
• 130:00 - 130:30 in has in his heart which appears to be led by Christian values is tremendous and what it means is I'm not going to let Eternal bitterness here hurt me is he going to hate what happened absolutely and the loss he's got for his son the grief has just begun but he's also saying I'm turning to to the Lord to remove my bitterness so that I can go forward and live and there's going to be consequences here on Earth this this kid there's two tragedies here the tragedy
• 130:30 - 131:00 is we have one young man apparently if this is the guy who's going to go to prison for a long long time so he's going to be gone to his friends and family just as this young man that was murdered is gone to his family and the question is what was the core of the belief structure and the life support and the example and the mentoring and big brothers and people around that leaves this guy why do you bring a knife to an event because
• 131:00 - 131:30 you have intent and you're going to show people and you're going to do things this is all well documented in in the failures of what what goes on and I have a lot of um man I got I just got so much respect for the father at this time of grief to be speaking this way but I've also got it it says you get what you want you know you you get what you vote for and you get what you want in this country and if you want things that are going to help you know kids develop differently and better let's get behind
• 131:30 - 132:00 that but there's a flaw somewhere in the heart of this kid that number one he he's carrying a weapon that he intended to use apparently and he used it what are your thoughts on let's go look at that um I think it's I mean uh anything involving like uh children is difficult as as a parent that's it's always like uh difficult to see and I think you know very admirable uh the father's response to it it is sort of reminiscent of like uh what they call restorative justice
• 132:00 - 132:30 which I think uh has application in some areas and and in others you know a little bit more difficult but you know that's that's what you're talking about when you talk about like that type of forgiveness and and making sure that the victims of the crime or the family of the victims can can move on and and live their life without being stuck in that in that moment you know to the extent that you can't I can't even imagine losing a child or uh a sibling frankly
• 132:30 - 133:00 but um I think it's a little bit um exploitive to assume that this is such a this is necessarily a political issue I mean yes I don't think people should be carrying weapons in uh in public uh I don't know know where this took place what the you know the gun laws are or or what but yes I am against people having
• 133:00 - 133:30 weapons in public I don't know why this guy brought the knife in his pocket when he left the house I don't know what goes on at his house I don't know if the guy was in a was on the other team or you know I don't know any of the details about it so I wouldn't you know uh make some type of like larger political statement that this has something to do with electoral politics I mean we have a society that uh that in many ways uh uh elevates violence and uh you know and I
• 133:30 - 134:00 think you could argue the the the the violence that we pay for uh you know in other countries and get back pictures on your tikt every day of the what the our weapons have done certainly MLK said you know every bomb that we uh we drop in Vietnam blows up here uh and the idea behind that was that like you know you cannot
• 134:00 - 134:30 have a society that condones waging violence and not expect that uh violence to end up being self-inflicted so Adam well it's a sad story I mean hurt people hurt people I think it's entirely appropriate to speculate who raised this young man you're 17 years old you're bringing a knife to a track meat someone asks you to hey get out of the way in the wrong place and you end up stabbing them in
• 134:30 - 135:00 the heart I mean what's going on with this person what type of emotional pain what type of anger what type of hurt was this person already dealing with that this was how he enacted his revenge for being told to move at a track meet you know Texas has the death penalty if I if I if I'm correct so so I don't know what's going to happen with this kid he's 17 years old I'm sure he'll be tried as an adult my opinion but my message is to one person and one person only it's to the twin brother who's
• 135:00 - 135:30 still alive a hunter and I can't even imagine what this guy is going through right now cu the father took the high road obviously U probably a man of Faith a Christian and I understand his perspective the twin brother who looks identical I believe I can't even imagine the hurt the pain the grief every time he looks in the mirror he's going to see the brother that was killed and died in his arms uh you know often times people say hey I'm praying for you I'm praying
• 135:30 - 136:00 for you genuinely I think anyone that runs into this guy in his life give this guy the biggest bear hug you possibly can and help this guy cope I recently uh was in New York because I had to go to a funeral for one of my closest friends younger brothers and um they were incredibly tight and to see the hurt in the the family and the pain in the family and the hurt in my good friend's heart because he lost his brother was was so tough to deal with and all I could do is give him a hug and say I'm
• 136:00 - 136:30 there for him so Hunter uh the the brother who's still alive you're living for two now uh my message to you would be like honor your brother live for him and make the most out of this life because you got two people to represent for us so God Bless yeah that was a very good take Adam on a story like this you hear this it breaks my heart as a parent you don't have anything to say and for the father to react that way I mean give me a break like there's not more class to be shown than to handle that um you
• 136:30 - 137:00 know I don't see the story everywhere I don't see people talking about it I don't see it uh you know where it's being publicized or talked about you did say you said this is it's what word did you use you said uh I don't think it's a story for us to use as anything what you said something about political I don't think there's political or anything to it the question that a lot of people would ask is what would it happen if this was the flip side for who would be covering it right now oh my God everybody where would it be right now
• 137:00 - 137:30 where would the story be right now that's the divisiveness of what America's sick of that's the divisiveness that father gave a message that's a unifying message that father gave a message that is a example to other fathers that you try to you're like oh my God the standard but to me when we think about why America flipped in certain places and why maybe mainstream media has been getting a black eye just as much as the Democratic
• 137:30 - 138:00 party just as much as the US government just as much as CIA just as much as FBI is because the American people are just sick of it they're fed up they want to go back to living a normal life and they want these divisive messages to slow down and find ways for us to sit down and have a conversation together Sam there's probably less than 10% of policies you and I would agree with but the more and more I listen to you speak and say the things that you say and your approach to it I sit there and I say h i can't understand this guy
• 138:00 - 138:30 why he believes what he does but you know what I will say tremendous respect for you to come here you came you gave your arguments did your thing you leave this is the second time we've done this not a lot of your peers do this often and they all get invited they all get invited I but they don't come don't know that I have any peers no what I mean is from people onone the the left you got 1.76 million subscribers
• 138:30 - 139:00 you put up 26,000 views you are somebody that in your space you speak and you have an audience that listens to you they like to see your perspective but a lot of people on the left when we invite him for whatever reason they don't show up and I got it's a long for me it's just a straight shot down New York got respect for guys who come in sit down have the conversation and everybody that's watching this whether you agree with him or not you have to respect that he came here because that to me is a very very high level of respect of anybody that's willing to have the
• 139:00 - 139:30 conversation if you do that we need more of that and let the American people decide and say I don't agree with Pat I think Pat Pat is wrong here I don't agree with Sam I think I agree with I think I agree with that I think I no problem you get to decide and we get to have the conversation but I want to let me at least return the compliment to you because uh uh I according to Tim p was blacklisted by all the right-wing shows uh two years ago when you had me on and I think you know I I think it was
• 139:30 - 140:00 my opportunity to say like I can be well behaved uh sitting here and uh we can get into arguments and whatnot uh you were the only show that would do it now Tim has since sort of oddly reversed and I was on his show in November uh but um after I think he sat right here and said that I was a grifter but uh but be that as May so I appreciate that and I appreciate the the fancy car that took me here H next time we'll just regular
• 140:00 - 140:30 and put your economy Sam feel free Sam ride publicly please come back again would you u a year from now whatever what do you mean even in four years with the beted it's $1 come back for that 100 bucks we should charge interest on that so tomorrow we have Terrence Howard that's uh uh podcast is going to go up very interesting conversation I brought a guy that was a 17-year he's been he's currently with NASA like he had to give a disclaimer and say my opinions today
• 140:30 - 141:00 are not the opinions of NASA wow so we brought a physicist that works at Nasa to sit down while we had tereny of how a lot of different conversations play this intro this will go out tomorrow morning 9:00 a.m. go ahead Rob so after I'm done here today I'm going to put online the equations necessary to have unlimited energy just just to say you to the world interesting okay so you guys have never met never met and
• 141:00 - 141:30 you're currently working for NASA that that's correct I don't have the degrees he has and guess what he doesn't have he doesn't have an understanding of how the universe works you don't think Eric he has no understanding entire quantum mechanics built on this model he's bring another dimension if another country gets their hands on this it's an end of America what have you found if I have to go to China they won't hesitate a moment to use Lynch pad
• 141:30 - 142:00 which they're forcing me to do do you know that they took away my passport why does this matter puffy invited me are you saying what I think you're saying he's like I think he's trying to [ __ ] you that's what my assistant said I was like oh if it's wrong you'll never hear from me again walk away but if I'm right oh my God let me tell you so you guys talking about everything it was so entertaining by the way here's the crazy
• 142:00 - 142:30 part guys you know what I'm talking about you guys here's the crazy part huh by the way it's it's you got to it's very interesting cuz you know he was on Rogan the first one it was very interesting yeah of course and then they do the one with Eric weining the 4 Hour which I thought was fascinating to watch the uh exchange but uh it for whatever reason the the the gentleman Dr U from NASA didn't fully disagree with some of the things he was talking about which was very weird for me and had never met
• 142:30 - 143:00 so he didn't find him we didn't tell him that he was going to be here until he came me the first time he met Dr U was two minutes before we went live yeah I was there I saw them I saw them me that's right so anyways by the way here's the crazy part Terence sard's on man I said Terence all these people that ask me stuff I'm not doing it no more I want them to ask you so if anybody wants to ask any questions of Terence Howard download the app man uh Rob do you have the QR code or we do we have the lower third right now Rob okay so it's in the lower third if you see it just go uh you can send him a man and whatever
• 143:00 - 143:30 questions thoughts and stuff that you have he's officially on manck you can ask him the question all right Sam Cedar's YouTube channel is going to be also Below in the description if you want to give it a sub and uh follow his content we're going to put that there as well God bless everybody take care bye-bye bye-bye thanks e