What Does NZGTTM Mean For You

Summary

Highlights

• The NZGTTM favors a risk-based approach, reducing strict prescriptive rules. 🎯
• Temporary Traffic Management (TTM) relies on the health and safety at work framework. 🦺
• Contractors now bear more responsibility for managing traffic risks. 🚜
• There's a gradual transition from the COPTTM, expected to fully phase out around 2025. 📆
• Training frameworks are under review but current requirements remain in place for now. 📖
• Significant changes in TTM document structures, focusing on broader guidelines. 📄

Key Takeaways

• NZGTTM introduces a shift towards risk-based decision-making in traffic management. 🤔
• The guide isn't immediately replacing Compton; there's a phased transition planned. 🕰️
• Training and competency requirements remain unchanged for now, but new frameworks are coming. 📚
• NZGTTM removes many prescriptive rules, giving more flexibility but also requiring more responsibility. ⚖️
• The new guide emphasizes the role of contractors in managing traffic risks. 🚧

Overview

Chapters

• 00:00 - 01:30: Introduction and Intent of the Webinar The chapter begins with a welcome message and a brief mention of technical issues some participants might be facing with webinar links. The speaker acknowledges the current attendance and expresses hope that more attendees will join once the link issues are resolved. The main intent of the webinar is introduced as providing insights on the New Zealand guide to TTM (traffic management).
• 01:30 - 02:30: Different Roles and Responsibilities of the Speaker In this chapter titled 'Different Roles and Responsibilities of the Speaker,' the speaker discusses the various roles and responsibilities they assume within the TTM sector, particularly during a parallax LED webinar. They mention that they will elaborate on these roles after addressing some preliminary points. The speaker also informs the audience about the interactive elements of the webinar, specifically the question and answer function available in the Zoom panel, which allows participants to ask, upvote, and comment on questions.
• 02:30 - 05:30: Overview of NZGTTM and COOPTM The chapter titled 'Overview of NZGTTM and COOPTM' introduces a discussion segment intent on highlighting significant points that may interest the audience. The speaker mentions that Ben and Elise will be assisting by responding to simple questions in writing, allowing the presentation to proceed without interruptions for verbal clarifications. The speaker acknowledges the volume of content to cover and forewarns the audience about the brisk pace of the discussion, which is characteristic of their usual presentation style. The chapter aims to provide clarity and focus on delivering impactful content effectively.
• 05:30 - 09:30: Concepts and Philosophy of NZGTTM The chapter titled 'Concepts and Philosophy of NZGTTM' outlines the various roles and responsibilities undertaken by a key figure within the organization. The individual wears multiple 'hats' indicating their diverse roles: as a trainer, assessor, moderator, part of a credentials framework governance group, chairperson of a temporary traffic management industry steering group, and chief executive. These roles involve engaging with various organizations, notably highlighting their moderation work for Connexus. The chapter seems to underscore the importance of multitasking and collaboration in the philosophy of NZGTTM, reflecting a versatile and engaged leadership.
• 09:30 - 15:00: Structure and Content of NZGTTM In this chapter, the focus is on the role and structure of a Professional Services Temporary Traffic Management (TTM) organization, as represented by the Parallax presentation. The speaker discusses their position within the organization and the educational contributions they make to the sector. The chapter emphasizes the importance of TTM in providing guidance and support to improve sector operations. The narrative mentions the 'hat' or role the speaker plays, symbolizing their responsibility in educating and aiding the industry.
• 15:00 - 18:00: Changes in Procedures and Approvals The chapter 'Changes in Procedures and Approvals' discusses the importance of distinguishing between opinions and facts, as well as the expertise brought to a subject. The speaker emphasizes the intention to clarify different views without revealing personal agreement or disagreement, encouraging individuals to form their own opinions. The chapter underscores the commitment to presenting information objectively, without labeling it as good or bad.
• 18:00 - 24:00: Differences between NZGTTM and COOPTM This chapter delves into the differences between New Zealand's Government Transport System Management (NZGTTM) and the Corporate Operational Transport Management (COOPTM). It aims to address this topic from strategic, operational, and tactical viewpoints. However, the focus will be on the operational and tactical levels in this session. Other resources may address the strategic or systemic perspectives, but this discussion seeks to explore detailed aspects not previously covered.
• 24:00 - 27:00: Future Directions and Industry Preparations The chapter titled 'Future Directions and Industry Preparations' focuses on addressing any potential misunderstandings the audience may have. The speaker encourages questions through the Q&A function, suggesting that either Elise or Ben might respond immediately, or the speaker will address them substantively at the end if time permits. The chapter aims to cover several topics under four main headings, beginning with an exploration of the current situation within the subject area.
• 27:00 - 31:00: Summary and Closing Remarks The chapter 'Summary and Closing Remarks' discusses the evolution from the Compton to the current mcgtm and how it differs from the coptum. Initially, there was a stakeholder group set up to review the Compton, which later evolved and was transformed into the nzgtm roadmap. The chapter seeks to address ongoing questions about the development and implementation of these systems. The intention is to clarify the path forward and allow time for concluding questions.

What Does NZGTTM Mean For You Transcription

• 00:00 - 00:30 g'day everyone um I'll get uh we'll get going um no doubt there'll there'll be a few people still join us we're up to about 50 odd um but uh I think some people might be having a bit of a challenge getting in with the the links the way they're working so I'm just getting someone to send out those links uh by email hopefully that'll see the numbers climb up to where they they should be so um welcome uh the intention of this webinar was really just to give a hot take if you like on the New Zealand guide to TTM
• 00:30 - 01:00 and what it might mean for organizations in the TTM sector um it's a it's a parallax LED webinar so I'm going to talk to that in a minute just around the different hats that sometimes I might wear um and uh they'll be hopefully enough time at the end to have some questions um that we can uh we can talk to so if you see in your Zoom panel there should be a q a function so that question and answer function you can ask questions in you can upvote other questions and you can comment on other questions so
• 01:00 - 01:30 hopefully that brings to the top some of the ones that are more meaningful for people and I'll try and focus on those I do have a couple of helpers in the background Ben and Elise and they'll try and answer any simple questions effect quickly in writing rather than having to um do everything verbally so I'll get going um there's quite a bit of content here to potentially get through I am going to talk pretty quickly um notwithstanding that's usually how I work anyway but there's quite a lot of stuff here and hopefully at least some of it lands so um to give a bit of clarity first on on
• 01:30 - 02:00 the different hats that I might wear um I I am a trainer I'm an assessor I'm a moderator um so some of those different hats have me engage with other organizations so obviously as a moderator I work as a moderator for Connexus um I have something to do with the credentials framework governance group so that's a different hat um I am the chairperson of the newly formed temporary traffic management industry Steering group and also my day job is I'm the chief executive of
• 02:00 - 02:30 Parallax that that's the role that I wear here so this hat the hat that I'm wearing today is that hat so just if you're anyone's um uh wondering what that looks like um essentially we're a Professional Services TTM organization and um and I think it it's a valuable role for us to play to help educate the sector where we can and that's what this is so this is a parallax presentation um which means um some of it might be a mixture of
• 02:30 - 03:00 opinions and forecasting in fact but the the idea is that there's an element of expertise that are brought to the subject and I will try and clarify where those different hats or sorry where those different opinions or facts or whatever show up so that you can clarify which one is which um I I am going to try and deliberately not share whether I agree or disagree with something because I think it's important people make up their own mind I'm gonna attempt to just share what is rather than whether something is good or something is bad it's just the truth
• 03:00 - 03:30 um I'm going to get into a bit of detail so there's different levels you can talk you can discuss this topic at one of which is um is at a strategic level one is at an operational level and one is probably even more at a tactical level right down at the bottom so I'm going to try and focus on the operational tactical levels of the problem today um other conversations uh out there and other webinars maybe even might be focused on more of a systemic one this one's trying to get into a bit of detail which we probably haven't had before yet
• 03:30 - 04:00 in this particular subject if there are things that that I say that you don't understand just Chuck a question up and either Elise or Ben might answer you or if it's really substantive I'll answer it towards the end um and and do ask those questions in the Q a function um I'll try and get to them at the end as best I can if we have enough time so here's my little sequencing of topics I'm going to cover off these firstly four headings what's going on like what are we what was the current situation
• 04:00 - 04:30 what are the contents of the mcgtm how does it differ from coptum and then where are we going from here uh and then hopefully a chunk of time at the end for some questions so um what is going on okay so a while back a few years ago kotahi um recognized they wanted to replace the Compton there was an original an original stakeholder group set up for the coptom to review it um that evolved that stakeholder group was disbanded and it evolved to become the nzgtm roadmap
• 04:30 - 05:00 um it was intentionally designed to try and have wakakotahi step out step away from prescribing a particular mechanism of TTM delivery so taking their role out of um specifically setting a a suite of rules around how tutm has done rather that it should lean back on the legislation or on the the higher level Guidance the process guidance or the legislative guidance to derive how TTM
• 05:00 - 05:30 should be done rather than setting a set of sort of arrived at Rules by a particular agency in this case they released their draft guide in 2022 it certainly had um some some Ripple effects across the sector they did do us a process of feedback they captured that feedback it carried on to another iteration of the nzgtm that wasn't to my knowledge publicly released but it was released to the knock contractors which is the
• 05:30 - 06:00 network outcome contracts that wakugotahi uh administer for maintaining the state highways so um uh five knock contractors so we're talking down a Fulton Hogan Higgins here Etc they received a copy and updated copy of the nzgt team and they used that to undertake a couple of Pilots that were sponsored by wakugotahi they were quite short they were mainly thought exercises they didn't really get a chance to deploy stuff but there wasn't an attempt to inform version one of the
• 06:00 - 06:30 guide which has now been released um just last week so that's how we got to here um some further info for you so Compton will still exist it's not disappeared and it will be live until maybe 2025 given some guidance that they intend to at least keep it available because it is still the backbone of the sector for now which does give you an indication that with the release of the nzgt team last
• 06:30 - 07:00 week it wasn't just a flick of a switch and it went from one to the other that's not how this is going to play up um and one of those examples is around the training and competency model so it still operates as normal even the current version of the nzgtm that has been released indicates that the TNC model that we currently have stays as is and that will be progressively replaced over time but for now ultimately nothing substantial changes
• 07:00 - 07:30 and and that gives you a steer that ends at Duty team itself hasn't been adopted it's not as if it's over um enveloped the copton for now and that it becomes the leading standard it doesn't quite work like that ultimately we're as an as an industry as a sector governed primarily by our adherence to the health and safety at work act that have we taken all practical steps to keep people safe and that is measured by what is reasonably practicable so what is reasonably practical is what's the best you can do
• 07:30 - 08:00 and so that it isn't a document describing what's the best you can do it's situational it's specific to each context and therefore the nzgtm and the coptum don't really have any specific Better or Worse connotation to that other than that how you apply them is more the test if you apply Compton without using the hierarchy of controls and without adhering to the health and safety work act then whether you use copter or not was kind of irrelevant there will be a phased introduction of
• 08:00 - 08:30 the nzgt team to the not contractors um and the contracts that they have over the next little while and and there's a few different dates sort of being thrown around for that but say 24 25 maybe um there is uh been a notice from Auckland transport Center on Friday last week in indicating that they're open to trialing aspects of the nzgtm system um and they would look towards a full adoption in 2024. so summary of what's going on the nzgt
• 08:30 - 09:00 team has released but it doesn't replace the captain at this stage so you can somewhat calm yourself and soothe your ruffled feathers that the Compton hasn't disappeared and nzgtm isn't this immediate replacement that now becomes the Bible That's not how this works because neither document has specific legal standing as in the hierarchy of legislation it is guidance and always has been
• 09:00 - 09:30 um that being said uh I counsel you that uh both have standing in the sense that they demonstrate or or document what good practice looks like potentially and what reasonably practicable looks like so those do have value and deviation away from that could live you know organizations or individuals exposed there's a phase transition going to occur over the next little while there'll be modular changes little things are going to change from time to time and it will be on a case-by-case basis of course with rcas as well
• 09:30 - 10:00 they're going to dip their toe in the water a little bit on certain aspects and evolve over time um this is a a real pluck here but two to five years to make these changes um some of them might happen sooner some of them will happen longer I would suggest that the replacement of the training and competency model will take towards the back end of that timeline but you might see in two years two-thirds of it already replaced and the the harder Parts might take a bit longer so those are um just some
• 10:00 - 10:30 opinions I suppose on on my lens of how long things might take what are the contents of nzgt team is our next topic so splitting this into three different buckets here first of all I'll talk to the philosophy of the document so the philosophy is on the left hand side the discussion around that is on the right ultimately the nzgt team is not introducing any new expectations that weren't already there in the first place precedence the worksafe guide being
• 10:30 - 11:00 released last year gives a little bit more context to how the Hasler should be applied and the in the um in the realm of Road and roadside work um there is a legal obligation to seek elimination of risk and if you can't then whatever is reasonably practical uses using the hierarchy of controls below that um probably one of the more prominent philosophies of the nzgat team that's going to take a bit of a shift for people is around pcbus owning the risk
• 11:00 - 11:30 and the pcbu in the system typically that has the most risk that introduces the most risk and has the most ownership of that is the contractor pcbu so the The Entity that is managing the work and potentially the TTM subcontractor where they have a partic a particularly significant amount of contribution to the work or how the work is constructed on the road as in the TTM around it um we've potentially had a as a sector
• 11:30 - 12:00 had a mismatched interpretation or application of how those different responsibilities play out in that we might load up the RCA as being a party that's got the most responsibility or significant responsibility the reality is that's not that's not true and the RCA is very unlikely to end up in court they are um uh at best uh a bit of a a check and balance system um but they certainly don't take on risk when they approve a TMP
• 12:00 - 12:30 um unless it's I mean it would have to be to an extremely um significant uh dereliction of Duty end of the scale for them to take on risk um the difference though might be with either the Contracting pcbu where the RCA is the one commissioning the work where they've drastically underperformed or they haven't performed their role very well then there's possibly exposure there but the RCA role is a bit different and so putting the onus on the
• 12:30 - 13:00 RCA to be the gatekeeper of risk is not quite how the legislation is framed and the nzgt team is intending somewhat to rebalance that um a very prominent philosophy of of the guide is to not prescribe so there isn't um that I could list off hundreds hundreds of different rules that no longer exist in the NZ Duty team for example can you do a mobile operation for longer than 10 minutes now yes should you that's a different question
• 13:00 - 13:30 uh the Compton constraint of 10 minutes is somewhat a bit of an arbitrary arrived at number there's no scientific basis for that other than trying to manage exposure of a particular TTM control that might be a little bit less optimal then something more static but is it better no it's conditional depends and so the nzgtm is just saying look we're not going to describe any of that stuff anymore we're going to say you arrive at the best total TTM solution that has the
• 13:30 - 14:00 lowest total risk um removing a lot of um that prescription in fact not a lot of it almost all of it and the last philosophy is around permanent design being delivered temporarily um conceptually what they're saying is the geometry of erode how cars behave space and movement all of that is the science behind that is the same whether it's be whether it be in place for one minute or
• 14:00 - 14:30 in place for forever um the flip side of that is it doesn't necessarily take into account risk exposure so you may choose a less permanent solution that has some more compromised geometrically because it's not in place for as long because it would it would take more risk to make it better by extending the length of the work by making it more permanent and therefore following more permanent guidance so there is a trade-off between
• 14:30 - 15:00 permanence um and uh between permanence and the standards that we have and risk that's that shows up of that um I just uh someone's just written a question saying they can't hear the Audio I just want to check that that's not a universal problem check your hands up if you can hear it we good thank you kindly that was a good feedback audience feedback Activity thank you very much okay
• 15:00 - 15:30 um good Chuck your uh Chuck your questions in as you need to structure the document the ncgt team's kind of broken actually into two two pieces two big chunks the third one on the right is a little bit different I'll talk to that in a second the nzgtm document itself is broken into four um pieces the Y sort of um this is not the titles they use in the document this is my interpretation of the titles so why does the Indie GT team exist essentially establishing the legislative
• 15:30 - 16:00 framework then the TTM system the what sort of how the pieces of the TTM system connected um you know the pcbu different entities in the system for example the toolbox so some of the how but not establishing the this is what you must do the toolbox talks about um different layers of um expectations now to be prescriptive you don't actually have to tell someone you must always
• 16:00 - 16:30 wear a hard hat that's a that that's what I would call a level three prescription and uh there's some there's some academic research around different levels of rules but at the highest level your highest level rule is something around outcome so like a legislation that says you have a duty of care to protect people right the outcome is you must protect people now that's a that's a rule but it's not very prescriptive it's not going to tell you how to do that the second layer down is kind of a process rule so in order to keep people
• 16:30 - 17:00 safe you must follow this risk assessment process we're not going to dictate the output of your process we're just going to tell you you have to follow a process that looks sort of like this and the level three rule is this is the way you must do it you must always wear a hard hat you must always have um three meters between this device and this device that would be a very prescriptive rule some of the coptom has been living in layer three in fact quite a bunch of it
• 17:00 - 17:30 the nzgtm lifts back up again and says we're not going past level two we're only ever going to prescribe process at best the outcome of that process is up to you up to the pcbus ultimately who own the risk the TTM Library goes some way to trying to provide some more prescription but in a way that it is contextual specifically so it's taking common scenarios of risk or different activities and consolidating that into ways to keep at least a level of
• 17:30 - 18:00 consistency repeated problems having repeated Solutions not the idea of generic tmps that's not the level we're talking about here we're talking about a level of um contextual prescription at a process hierarchy and one of those might be a TMP form now the TMP forms have been updated they've been renewed and there's a new set in the TTM library in the nzgtm but it clearly states they're not they're not required they're not mandatory they're just an example you can use that and
• 18:00 - 18:30 they do include some really valuable information that you might want to put into a tnp but there's nothing in the guide that says You must have have or use those which as you can imagine does generate possibly some friction going forward because there is uh potential for a huge amount of variation and therefore that might slow the system down a lot you can imagine what a corridor manager is going to have to do reviewing 30 different structures of tmps that could that could have some risk to it so there's there's still a
• 18:30 - 19:00 lot a lot to be resolved and how some of those nuances are going to be managed and the last thing is other sources this is not within the nzgttm but the nzgttm versus coptum has been shrunk considerably so drastic reduction in length because it's essentially referring to a lot of external um sources like osteroids the tcd rule things that already have the standards that we need to refer to and they do not
• 19:00 - 19:30 need to be repeated or bought into the into gttm because if that other standard was updated then into gttm would have to be iterative as well and it creates a little bit more duplication at work so the idea is that those become the direction where you go to find that information rather than replicating it in the nzgtm in terms of the contents that's a bit of a summary of the content so I'm just going to pick on a couple of things rather than read all of these out um there's some areas that have been drastically reducing their volume
• 19:30 - 20:00 compared to what the Compton had in them so TTM implementation which is bullet point four um there's some Basics around what should happen but it's significantly less prescriptive um I've got my page numbering wrong there too that's well done um that should say 49 then so that's roughly five pages of TTM implementation that's it um does it talk about um how you must always install the left hand side first for example or you must always install all signs before you install all any delineation
• 20:00 - 20:30 no none of that exists anymore all of that is uh very prescriptive or very precise contextual risk-based um application that actually depending on the circumstance might be different um just want to throw a caveat in there though if you were to say okay tomorrow I'm not going to install all signs first and install delineations first because you've decided somehow that's better
• 20:30 - 21:00 you've been having pretty good reason because the logic is signage first delineation seconds a second allows for Road users to understand the picture um before they come across the things that are impacting on their actual Journey because signs are not it's the delineation in the lane that's going to impact on the journey and that's what they need to make adjustment for so if you weren't to install signs first you would be introducing risk or Hazard into the road without reference around
• 21:00 - 21:30 it so you can see there's still some logic in why the captain rules were or are the way they are and I would counsel you not to be um too frivolous and pretending like those things aren't still important you have to be risk-based so um I'm not going to pick on any more of those I don't think although if you do have some of those you want to pick on specifically have um
• 21:30 - 22:00 have a question Chuck it in the Chuck it in the Q a and I can pull them up but I want to keep moving so I I give ourselves some time at the end so it's a descriptive document into gtdm is descriptive it's focused on setting the scene for the pcbus to allow them to make risk-based decisions it includes some highly recommended expectations as I said my counsel is be careful if you don't follow those recommendations the guide is still describing for you
• 22:00 - 22:30 what is likely to become reasonably practicable in our sector and the Compton still carries through that now so if you modified something drastically from the copter tomorrow you run the risk of essentially saying well the evidence generated by use of copton for so long um was not good practice and I'm it's a very difficult position to defend so and you might end up with more risk which is ultimately what you don't want um there is a lot of work to do so the
• 22:30 - 23:00 supporting items the guidance the practice notes Etc they are pretty key they're a layer of prescription not direct write down the bottom subscription but that middle layer of prescription that are still necessary for us to operate um either through consistency or whatever um how is it different to Compton um I'm giving you six examples here of what hasn't changed
• 23:00 - 23:30 a really interesting thing that I think some people can't quite grasp is that Compton was still expected a risk-based approach it's still the front end of the Cobden was still expecting you to follow a risk assessment process to arrive at the best possible TTM solution you could deploy so we we have somewhat unfortunately utilized a um bottom-up approach of TTM from time
• 23:30 - 24:00 to time so I'm a a better than others but there is a a gravitation to saying what's the least I can do what's the least I can get away with and that type of language is obviously quite the opposite of how the legislation's written and so the principles behind the Compton we're not actually anti-risk based they always were it's just our application of that has always been somewhat of a compliance mentality we're like well we have to do it this way and that's that's actually not not the intent of how the captain was framed the Compton was establishing
• 24:00 - 24:30 somewhat of minimum standards in a lot of ways but the expectation was you should be exceeding those in many cases where you can do better um the training competency system is unchanged I've I've seen a question there around um is was is the ttmp qualification still required um at the moment rcas have indicated that they will keep that so uh
• 24:30 - 25:00 wakakotahi have said as a Contracting pcbu so they're Contracting people to work on their Network in that role they're saying no the the safety net we require if we're Contracting people is we want them to have evidence of qualification or competency so they're utilizing that existing mechanism to do that Auckland transport have recently said very similar that they want evidence if not ttmp then equivalent evidence there will be a replacement model it's already being developed and that will be
• 25:00 - 25:30 based in the nzqa system but there isn't a regulator sitting above the training and competency space to say thou shalt have this qualification be careful not to not to conflict the two reasons why training exists or training and competency exists competency is what you must have by law you must be competent to undertake the tasks within that are within the realm of your role
• 25:30 - 26:00 a license to operate or a license to work on the road is a different thing anyone who's assumed that the current training and competency model gives you competency in completeness you've probably missed something because that's not what it does it's not going to give you complete well-rounded holistic competency the pcbu has and will always have a responsibility to make sure everyone that works for them is fully trained and competent and what they're task they're doing or supervised is the other word that the legislation uses so
• 26:00 - 26:30 um do I have to be ttmp qualified in five years time do you have to be well probably not because ttmp won't exist but there will be a qualification on the nzqa framework called a micro credential for TMP design and you might have that if you don't have that what other mechanism are you using to verify that you have been deemed competent both your employer and who your employer is working for will want something so whilst there might not be a regulatory agency dictating a particular
• 26:30 - 27:00 qualification that was only ever serving one purpose in the first place anyway at least having people having a minimum level of competency but that's not what we actually need every employer must make sure that that sits a lot higher than that um equipment standards haven't really changed they drop into M23 appendix if which is available I think at least the first iteration of it there's a lot though out of the coptum that has been removed around how signs
• 27:00 - 27:30 are used so the tcd rule which is the basis for the equipment outlines what signs do it doesn't how it doesn't explain or indicate how they must be arranged so for example what is requiring us to use a flag man with a please stop on request followed by a temporary speed limit as the order of our signs on a stop go Optimus it's not written anywhere else there's nothing in the tcd rule that requires that combination of sounds
• 27:30 - 28:00 there's nothing in the uh other than the Compton there's nothing anywhere else that requires tsls to be repeated every 400 meters that's not in the setting of speed limits rule for example so there's a lot there that will drop out of the Compton if it's not replicated in some form to achieve consistency or achieve at least a minimum level of risk management if it's not captured in say practice notes then that may disappear so that's going to have to be a critical thing of the
• 28:00 - 28:30 transition processes what do we need to carry through that's not represented anywhere else I do know there's a piece of work happening from wakugotahi on a gap analysis between things in Compton that don't exist anywhere else and what should be carried through just to make sure there's not anything lost uh regulatory elements stay the same network access for the most part stays the same anyone that assumes that the nzgtm will give you more Freer license to the network well that hasn't changed nothing's changed there the RCA is still
• 28:30 - 29:00 responsible for deconflicting the network making sure that things that the networkers still use for its primary purpose of transporting people and goods um however the the difference might be in how much weight is placed on what type of closure is used so if you've had examples in the past where an RCA said you will not be closing that road I'm not accepting that there is possibly a stronger standing where you can return back and say look
• 29:00 - 29:30 I've done my risk assessment the lowest total risk I can achieve is a road closure I'm not backing down on this now that's still a negotiation process you're not just going to win they're not going to turn around and go okay fine it's going to have to be a negotiation from that point but there is an expectation that pcbus who own the risk get the most say in the methodology because that's where risk is managed through methodology uh emergency t team is pretty similar it's expanded in the in the in the guide
• 29:30 - 30:00 but it's very similar some definitions have changed so mobile semi-static static inspection all of those things rolling blocks those terms don't exist in the nzgt and we might carry them on because they still mean something to us and maybe one of the practice notes needs uh needs to be a more expanded glossary but this is the this is the language that the nzgtm uses around your choice of closure needs to be based
• 30:00 - 30:30 Loosely on this hierarchy so eliminate the need to do the work of course great yep go around it so road closure temporary road that type of thing on the Proviso that you're not adding risk somewhere else that's not always a categorical beta solution um go through the site so separate by time so I could stop stop concept or or you know traffic signals doing the same thing go past the site so you're sharing the space you're coexisting um and then in the gaps and again the right hand side in the gaps is not
• 30:30 - 31:00 necessarily the the worst option it's it's contextual it depends on the risk so in the gaps and inspection like activity might actually be the best option why would you put a static site out and have huge amount of exposure of other resources when actually just in the gaps is the right answer so it's not categorical to say this is the order of preference every single time it's just giving it a little bit of a hierarchy to how you might consider um holistic risk of of TTM design how how you construct the whole site as a as
• 31:00 - 31:30 a as incompleteness bottom left there uh oh actually I'll go across the top row um Road levels categories so these Road levels and categories were only ever simplified categorizations of risk level one versus level two is just volume that's the difference right so it's introducing a higher level of controls based on an arbitrary arrived at number of why risk is more at um at ten thousand or fifteen thousand more
• 31:30 - 32:00 um Vehicles so um those have been removed uh and but all the risk factors still remain volume um anything around uh speed so that's related to categories number of lanes Etc all of those things still exist the categories just aren't used to group them so they still have to be considered TMP approval um how it's worded in the guide is it says
• 32:00 - 32:30 the contractor pcbu approves the TMP there's some potential to interpret that in different ways but ultimately there's not one approval there's multiple so the T the the contractor pcbu approves the risk solution the TTM solution in managing risk they ultimately own that so proving that is logical but they don't approve the temporary speed limit that still falls to the RCA
• 32:30 - 33:00 that's a legislative Duty likewise they don't approve the network access that false the RCA so One Singular approval is actually not an appropriate way to represent that particular process uh bottom right layout distance guidance has changed it has um got one table for all Road situations uh and there's some Stark differences for example the taper length for 100 kilometer an hour road is 100 meters
• 33:00 - 33:30 regardless of the road level now let's consider that on a level level two or three Road at the moment our taper length for 100k Road would be 180 meters uh I would suggest uh very very strong guidance to anyone considering not using 180 meters that why not if that's what's been established as good practice and um if you were to utilize a hundred meters
• 33:30 - 34:00 as in I'm going to meet the minimum nzgtm standard now you've got to have a pretty good reason to drop to that if you're already operating here so just establishing a different layout distance table does not actually dictate that that now becomes what we do um and just as a small item stms is reverted to supervisor from what was specialist under the more recent version of the Compton TTM Library just clicking on this one here
• 34:00 - 34:30 underneath the nzgttm there is an intention to have a library of resources that operationalize some of the the um the Concepts and principles three of them have been talked about guidance notes there's some of them already published operational practice notes which some of them have already been been developed or being developed and administrative practice notes you can you can read there what ultimately that they're orientating towards but I I
• 34:30 - 35:00 foresee this layer of guidance and um and Industry good practice if it's industry-led which is what the intention is this being quite a critical part of the system because this is how we operationalize the concepts outlined in um nzgttm now you might argue this is just replicating Compton that's not how I see it I see this being a risk-based um mentality bought to maybe maybe Concepts
• 35:00 - 35:30 from Cobham carry through into these practice notes that's fine as long as they're stress tested from a risk point of view and ultimately each application of these is done case-by-case situationally okay um yep done that done that good right how's it different to Compton um so I picked six areas qualifications and training planning and TMP prep TMP approval and then the next
• 35:30 - 36:00 slide has three more around delivery procurement and auditing and compliance I'll just run through these really quickly so what does it mean for cause I'm training now it's actually the moment is really nothing um and there will be a modular swap out of current warrant system um qualifications through to the new uh credentials framework as it comes online um uh someone just asked a question can you advise what the difference between a designer and a planner is um those two terms are used
• 36:00 - 36:30 interchangeably a lot of the time um there's actually not any different really if you think about the purpose of the role that being said they are they have a planner is not always the person does the whole process so a designer might be someone who um moves the mouse around the screen to to prepare the diagram they are not the planner in that instance so you kind of have a segregation of roles
• 36:30 - 37:00 um where in the guide currently it talks about a ttn planner um in ostros it courts it talks about a designer or an installation designer now in those terms in their purpose are interchangeable they're intended to be interchangeable but if you're talking about someone who's just designing something or planning something ultimately you would argue the planner is the more substantive term because they are responsible for planning TTM not just designing something that there's a less
• 37:00 - 37:30 integrated term okay Segway moving on um the I've talked to the point around the TNC model not providing complete competency now it never has so be careful um what does it mean for TMP planning and preparation it actually means quite a lot it means a lot um in some ways because we haven't been doing it as well as we could in in terms of the depth of risk assessment production and justification behind the methodology that will evolve and become much more
• 37:30 - 38:00 pronounced so there will be an expectation that planners do produce and do provide a risk assessment alongside or with or as part of their TMP um and the guide makes it very clear that the risk assessment needs to make its way all the way to the person who's delivering it they are the ultimate customer of that risk assessment and whatever form that's communicated it in is really important because you don't want to overwhelm them but it is very much um an expectation that a risk assessment is
• 38:00 - 38:30 completed and it's rolled out right all the way to the perks of the end user um and the right hand side what does it mean for approval I've already provided a segregation of those three areas regulatory measures Network space and TTM solution and there is an important distinction between those three roles we have somewhat combined them or Consolidated them historically they are not the same and the the system going forward is probably going to place a higher degree of separation on those three things
• 38:30 - 39:00 okay what does it mean for tea team delivery the range of solutions will be much more varied so um that means that consistency is likely to be tested and now it's really important there to ask yourself the question consistency of what what is it that you want to be consistent now signage is still consistent do you want the spacings of the site to be consistent well there is guidance in the guide to make that
• 39:00 - 39:30 consistent albeit it's a little bit different to copter so there's something to play with there is it consistency of Road user experience okay I can see the winning there is it consistency of the type of solution you use for different problems yeah there's possibly somewhat in that but maybe practice notes deal with that so be careful on using the word consistency here because you've got to be clear on what it is you're asking to be consistent if you want consistency of outcomes great but that doesn't mean consistative method if you want consistency of
• 39:30 - 40:00 opportunity for everyone to operate the same way so everyone knows what to do that's not coming back every person in the system is responsible for managing the risk they introduce that's that's the system so there is both risk in that variance but there's opportunity as well and so you can't seek to to standardize everything for everyone so that everyone has a Level Playing Field that's not how the world works what should be consistent is where it's an unacceptable level of societal risk
• 40:00 - 40:30 and that's I suppose the level we need to find um the center column around procurement and contracts there's obviously a lot of risk there and how that shows up because procurement if you're procuring against the standard that's very ambiguous can be very difficult to evaluate those submissions but also um procure what it is you actually need um there is going to need to be some serious work in that space around
• 40:30 - 41:00 standardization but thankfully Contracting pcbus those issuing the contracts have skin in the game they have they are part of the Contracting change so they are within their rights to prescribe a more narrower demonstration of um of how risk is managed because they themselves are party to there they can't contract themselves out of their responsibilities so they might choose to narrow the boundaries of what people are able to do they might indicate that a certain practice note is mandatory for
• 41:00 - 41:30 the contract or whatever and I would expect to see that show up and then lastly what does it mean for audience auditing and compliance let's say highlight one thing here and it's around the word subjectivity so you can imagine there's a risk of subjectivity as soon as you introduce um an opportunity for people to vary a solution based on their assessment of risk and lowest total risk then you introduce subjectivity and so that may be our hardest thing to overcome
• 41:30 - 42:00 initially I would suggest the way that things will get audited and assured is simply by matching what the site does or what the site has versus what the 10 piece is this is what you risk assist as being the optimal solution why'd you do it differently I did it differently for these three reasons so here's my here's my logic and here's my variance to the risk assessment that might get subjective because you can imagine I might disagree with you thinking that's less risk than what you think
• 42:00 - 42:30 or what I think okay um I'm gonna be a real quick practical example ignore the 25 meters at the bottom because I've just left that on from the animation my bad here's a scenario level two Road I need a 50k taper a 50 meter taper on a 50k Road I actually need a 90 meter taper on a 50k Road for level two under the code of practice I'm going to go to the this is with environmental constraints you can use 50 meters so let's say I start with 50 meters I'll get a bus stop in the way now anyone should realize this is
• 42:30 - 43:00 probably not a an ideal layout here this isn't going to play very well because the buses stopped they're going to have some um access issues to the bus stop you've got pedestrians playing around that space too um and the merging process then how that's going to work with the the bus is going to be a bit messy yep don't want to get into too much detail but you can probably tell that's not ideal so let's uh go ahead and and the code of practice requires me to have 50 meters now can I under the code of practice now
• 43:00 - 43:30 shorten it to say 40 meters you can you can there's a mechanism for that it's called an ed so you can already risk assess your way towards a solution that's better of a overall total risk level that mechanism has always been there and in fact you are required by law to use it because if this the second solution is better I'm not saying it is or it isn't I'm just making a real simple example if the second solution is better
• 43:30 - 44:00 you're required to use it forget what the problem says you're required to use the Ed to assess that as the better total solution and apply it but let's imagine I wanted to use a TMA instead can I have that TMA sit there for the whole day under the code of practice as written no can I use an Eed to do that again I can whether you get someone else to agree to that is a different story and what conversation you have around acceptance
• 44:00 - 44:30 of that is different now if an RCA took a took a position that they will not sign the Eed because you've risk assessed a better solution well that's actually exposing them to more risk because you've chosen a better risk assessed solution the contractor pcbu who's actually doing the work they have the most exposure they have the right to decide the best risk assist solution the RCA gets a lens on whether that is the best solution for the public
• 44:30 - 45:00 safety but the scenario of that is not them going no I'm not signing the Ed it doesn't work like that that's actually not aligned with legislation as is but under the nzgtm you will be risk assessing the best solution there isn't an Eed process attached to that it's what's the best risk assist solution you can come to and explain why that is so summary how's it different a lot of
• 45:00 - 45:30 prescriptions removed the the expectation is to think risk not rules and I I highlight that because actually that existed undercover anyway there was an expectation to think risk not rules there is a systemic risk in having fewer rules though so if you think about removing prescription or removing um Precision of of application of TTM for at least the next little while there's a risk that that freedom is too
• 45:30 - 46:00 much for the system to handle in a short time so I would foresee that being a significant system risk is that we've injected too much freedom particularly for those that do not necessarily have great ethical boundaries and it's really important to remember the captain didn't prohibit this you could have done this under copter it just wasn't encouraged so ngt in though is no different it's requiring you to follow legislation
• 46:00 - 46:30 so it was Compton it's requiring you to choose the best risk assist solution you can find so was coptum the nzgtm doesn't actually change that construct at all and it's not encouraging you more or less than doing it under Compton our application of copter was fundamentally culturally incorrect probably across the sector where to from here last topic try and race through it so I can get some
• 46:30 - 47:00 questions in will nzgttm see fewer cones and lower TTM costs don't know it's not connected I can tell you that there's absolutely zero connection here between having less cones and nzgt10 um so there's probably many have seen uh um plenty of media coverage around let's see less cones let's go to a risk-based approach that's implying that a risk-based approach will result in less
• 47:00 - 47:30 equipment and less resources being deployed that's not true it might in some ways in some areas so you might choose to utilize mobile operations methodology more extensively because you're not limited to 10 minutes anymore that's logical but it also might mean you start need to need to do more TTM around things that have higher risk that you haven't traditionally treated with enough controls it's all in the planning so that's the main message there is actually right now forget nzggtm right
• 47:30 - 48:00 now you can improve costs and fuel cones by doing better planning you can reduce project costs by just doing better planning as is without nzgttm giving you approval to do so is it a free fall I think the big the big um the big reason why the Compton at least sets a minimum standard is it it removes the freedom to make choices that might be based on less ethical or less moral grounds so can someone just justify using very
• 48:00 - 48:30 little TTM in their own head they probably can is it right that's the hard part and I think giving that freedom might be difficult for those to absorb where they have a less than um less than ideal moral or ethical compass um doesn't mean no consistency I return to my question of what what consistency of what be clear on what it is you want to be consistent and then we can answer that question and then how's the balance
• 48:30 - 49:00 of power to be honest the RCA's role doesn't really change are they reviewing risk yes they have a public duty to do so will they be vetoing things because they're not happy with the met the the the volume of risk left over yes they will be um do they still control access to their Network yes they do do they still control regulatory approval of tsls and uh the authority to place signs on that yes they do so if if you're implying that this gives more power to the contractor to say I will be doing this
• 49:00 - 49:30 and you can't stop me I don't see that playing I see a more balanced conversation possibly on the solutions being chosen that might be um from the contractor's point of view better from a risk perspective and it will be possibly harder for the RCA to decline that so that's possibly the most specific adjustment there but it's not it's not as big as my what some might think a little bit of more of where to from here you can read those if you want
• 49:30 - 50:00 um there is a risk assessment in TTM micro credential and training package coming so I did see that question a little while ago um there's various practical trials going to happen over the next little while they'll be incorporated into a version two of nzg GTM um there is an industry Steering group set up which is was tasked with really representing the industry and the transition phase to this this new guide there'll be a bunch of guidance and practice notes developed over time they'll get enveloped into hopefully a centralized TTM Library I think that's
• 50:00 - 50:30 one thing that the industry Steering group is focused on trying to make sure happen so that we don't have the scattered approach of all these random standards all over the place um and it will be iterative so nzgttm will get an update and I think it might it won't be long before it gets its first one so um in summary on on that piece of the the webinar it's not an apocalypse here so I use that term because I think there's a a possible fear or anxiety that the world ahead is extremely
• 50:30 - 51:00 uncertain and everything's been thrown up in the air with chaos I don't quite see it there is a lot of going on there's a lot of change and there's a lot of um things to work through but it's not going to happen in one day it's going to be Progressive and things are going to adjust as time goes on suppose the big question and in the bottom right hand corner I'm picking on there is it is what it is um you can argue about it you can say you don't like it but what are you going to do like my my advice to you is ask the question now what
• 51:00 - 51:30 rather than being upset or frustrated or or whatever at what is um turn your attention to forward looking and go cool how are you going to position yourself for these changes to be best absorbed by your organization or individually okay so last thing is just um I said this was a parallax webinar it is it's free and and the intention there is just to to share knowledge and give my perspective on things um you know you're free to reach out and discuss things
• 51:30 - 52:00 um uh over the comments uh sorry over the questions now if you if you want to um but you know reach out to us to me um if if any of these things are of a need for you um we're doing some work on developing some training packages um around this stuff uh there might be possibility of some more webinars maybe if they're if they're if they're desired I'm going to launch a quick Poll for everyone that they will come up real quick it's just two questions I just want to get a little bit of feedback on the webinar
• 52:00 - 52:30 um and while you're doing that um I'll simply just say that uh yep there's a lot of turmoil in the in the industry at the moment and there's a lot of uncertainty um that will not diminish massively over the coming months um so you somewhat need to be get uncomfortable get comfortable with being uncomfortable for a little while um I did mention that risk assessment training in TTM uh which Downer has commissioned are part of the enforceable
• 52:30 - 53:00 undertaking I would envisage that to be available by the end of the year as a as a bit of a pluck so yep there's going to be something hopefully that the industry can use and get their hands on that can Elevate our competency in this space because we desperately need it and those that have answered the poll thank you very much excellent um uh yep thanks Troy um I see most have been answered to be honest
• 53:00 - 53:30 um which is fantastic but if you've got we've got a couple more minutes if you want I'm happy to stay on for a few more minutes if you've got a couple more questions um yeah uh any um if you want to reach out individually uh to me or to any of the team of course by all means crack on do so uh and if you've got ideas or um or topics that you want to see explored in deeper detail by all means again reach out give us some feedback on the best way that we can do that and what
• 53:30 - 54:00 specific topics or areas you want to focus on maybe the certain areas you've got more uncertainty in by all means Reach Out say so okay team I'm going to stay on for another say two or three minutes if two if questions do pop up but that's all I've got for you and hopefully this has been a value to everyone thanks very much there's a couple of questions in there that I can answer verbally if people are still online they want to hear it um Adolf said so the install and pickup process still needs to be documented in the Pro format is the pcbu owns the risk
• 54:00 - 54:30 then sop could be adopted and quoted in the pro forma um yeah I mean there's it's asking the question is there a rule to say You must no there isn't the answer is there isn't however you have to by law have a um representation of how you're managing risk and that be clearly a process clearly followed and clearly communicated to those who need to action it so
• 54:30 - 55:00 that's your expectation how you do that is somewhat a lot more flexible I can see a scenario where an sap or even a practice note is the mechanism for ensuring cyclical cyclical installation methodology is is effective um provided it's applicable to the scenario it's been used in yeah so at the moment the performer has all that data and because where else does it go it's not documented anywhere else
• 55:00 - 55:30 um can it be yeah you could argue it could but you could argue it could be now actually you say look this is our training package this is what we've delivered this is the sap yeah um I think people have some sometimes misinterpreted what install and removal should look like in the performer it's not as prescriptive as what people think it's just what people have assumed is being told to them um the chain uh Chris changing risk assessment between principles is going to confuse the road crew are there any talks about having an agreed risk assessment between principles
• 55:30 - 56:00 as in I think sorry the the phrasing of your principles I think you mean principles as in principal contractors or Contracting pcpus Chris yes there has been some conversation already with the uh across the Auckland pcbus for example so Vector Chorus at Etc and there'll be another meeting upcoming of them there may be some collusion there in a good way to hopefully arrive at some more consistency from a principal point of view yeah
• 56:00 - 56:30 um the last one that I've been posted here can the RCA now instruct you to add more controls or additional TTM can they now instruct they could before so I don't think now's the right word Maybe or additional TTM to the TMD ntmp now yeah again they they probably could before um if the risk is a pcbu and the RCA is not the pcbu they are up pcbu so it's not one or the other it's shared risk so does the RCA still have ownership of public risk yes
• 56:30 - 57:00 do they have grounds to dictate to the contractor how they are to manage their risk no um can they suggest and and be involved in the management of that risk yes but it's a shared problem um the RCA has less exposure therefore probably less authority to dictate will not dictate even to suggest but they can now um yeah uh does everything have to be a
• 57:00 - 57:30 road closure now no categorically not um it might be a starting point of consideration to say can I do a road closure does it represent the best use of resources in managing risk because a road closure does not eliminate all risks it eliminates some risks but if I close a road and divert traffic down an alternative road that has a lot of pedestrians on it I'd probably just increase the risk tenfold so
• 57:30 - 58:00 it's not that simple yeah and in some ways that question does everything have to be a road closure now implies there is still an attraction towards having an answer can you tell me the answer there is no answer you have to follow a risk assessment process to arrive at that answer and that competency is severely lacking in our sector so we've got to go we've got some work to do definitely um Josh Smith will there be a workshop for
• 58:00 - 58:30 designers in the future as a refresher to learn and practice this risk-based design there is a an nzqa um unit standard about to hit the nzqa framework titled um traffic management design and that unit standard will be made into a micro credential which will be available um and different providers might pick that up like Connexus for example so yeah there will be some training on that um is there going to be one by
• 58:30 - 59:00 Parallax depends if people want it maybe we'll put something together um does any local ICA have the right to decide whether to stick to copter or not accept energy gttm that's a the word right there it uh no they don't they have legislative responsibilities that involve ensuring Public Safety is protected do they have authority to dictate a particular standard as used it's a very difficult question to answer
• 59:00 - 59:30 because in some ways they do but not holistically they may choose to continue using Compton principles and because of the overall risk to public that's the best way to go um that's not wrong uh certainly at's approach as as they've telegraphed so far is they'll be adopting into GTM in the future for now Compton stays because injecting too much flexibility would be unsafe for the
• 59:30 - 60:00 public so they kind of have a right to do that um provided that everyone's following a risk-based approach using optimal ready which you can do so yeah it's not one of the other almost they're actually a lot like ncgtmic Optima are a lot closer in their philosophy in fact they're almost the same in terms of philosophy the application is where the difference has been the most cool I mean we've gone a little bit over but still got questions happy to keep
• 60:00 - 60:30 answering them how would you see the competency for risk assessment developing in the near future just further training or would there be some application or current experience that would also contribute to judgment it's a really good question um so how how do people become competent and risk assessment well there's this concept called professional judgment which if you look at research actually is not as good as people think it is
• 60:30 - 61:00 about eight and ten people think they're above average in risk assessment which is not true so um we have to be very careful that we don't allow people to or that the system doesn't allow people to say I'm good at this I can do it we have to have some chicken balance of how people demonstrate competency but the best competency and risk assessment doesn't come from Individual ownership it comes from collective decision making so again if you look at research the um the most effective management of risk
• 61:00 - 61:30 comes from diverse perspectives contributing to a shared solution and so we will have competency for individuals to develop their their process of how they think about risk and how they apply controls to risk there's two ways that might show up there's that risk assessment and TT and micro credential that should be live by the end of the year and there's also a risk tool that is that down has developed as part of the enforceable undertaking that's going to be released to the
• 61:30 - 62:00 industry so that risk tool will help people structure their thoughts because professional competency as a true term implies that the person doesn't need a system doesn't need a process they can just use their judgment and that actually in terms of evidence actually doesn't work it's completely made up you can argue that you think that you can do it but you can't I promise you I can't even do it it doesn't work like that you need a process you need a method and diversity of thought is actually that the even better version of that
• 62:00 - 62:30 I don't even know if they answer your question James but hopefully it was helpful yep I'm myself my research area in terms of postgraduate research is around risk so that's an area that I I certainly have a bit more of an academic understanding as well okay um if there are no more questions I'm going to call it um and thanks for everyone's time um if I if we choose to do something else I'm I hope you all joined back in again and good time and takite