Make.com vs N8N in 2025 (AI Agents, Key Features, & More)

Summary

Highlights

• Overview of how Nick earned over $100k using no-code tools like Make and N8N, outlining their rising popularity. 💰
• A practical demonstration of building identical systems on both platforms to showcase differences. 🔄
• Discussion on the economic perspective of using these platforms, focusing on real operational value. 📊
• Detailed exploration of N8N's self-hosting and AI agent features, highlighting their benefits. 🤔
• Comparison of user experiences between Make.com and N8N, covering concepts like executions and operations. 🧠

Key Takeaways

• Make.com is beginner-friendly with a wide range of integrations. It's ideal for simple applications with quick setup. 🛠️
• N8N appeals to those seeking advanced features like open-source flexibility and self-hosting to reduce costs. 🌐
• AI agents have made N8N increasingly popular due to its innovative features in automation. 🤖
• Make.com scales operational costs quickly; it's more economical for simple usage but less so for larger processes. 💸
• Nick recommends starting with Make.com for beginners and transitioning to N8N as skills and needs develop. 🚀

Overview

Chapters

• 00:00 - 00:30: Introduction In the introduction, Nick introduces himself and shares his success in earning over $100,000 in the previous month using no-code tools, specifically Make and Nadn. He highlights the rising popularity of these platforms and sets the objective of providing a comprehensive breakdown of each. Nick emphasizes the practical business utility of these tools, focusing on their ability to generate revenue. He also intends to discuss the differences between Make and Nadn, and plans to demonstrate the building process on both platforms by creating the same system to showcase the distinctions.
• 00:30 - 01:00: Video Overview The chapter titled 'Video Overview' provides a detailed analysis of various platforms, focusing on their relative costs and offering a financial breakdown. The narrator concludes by sharing their personal preference for a platform to use in the upcoming year, beneficial particularly for those new to the field or interested in earning by selling services. The video targets audiences aiming to incorporate no-code tools into their businesses or start an agency focused on automation. The session begins with an in-depth examination of each platform, starting with one named 'nadn.'
• 01:00 - 01:53: N8N Breakdown The chapter titled 'N8N Breakdown' provides an overview of the fundamental concepts and unique features of the N8N platform, a tool that distinguishes itself from other no-code platforms. It begins with background information about the platform and its purpose, including the origin of its name, which is not widely known. The discussion then covers specific concepts such as canvas workflows, nodes, and looping logic that are critical to understanding N8N. A significant part of the chapter is dedicated to the platform's AI agents, which have contributed to N8N's increasing prominence. The chapter concludes with a practical hands-on UX review, where the reader is guided through the N8N dashboard, exploring its various features from a comprehensive viewpoint.
• 01:53 - 02:29: Make.com Breakdown In this chapter titled 'Make.com Breakdown', the focus is on comparing Make.com with another system by engaging in a hands-on user experience (UX) review. The process involves building an identical system in both platforms to highlight varying approaches and the logic involved, including the necessary skill levels and programming knowledge. The chapter also delves into the major UX and functionality differences, providing insights based on the speaker's extensive experience in no-code solutions. Additionally, a financial comparison is conducted before the conclusion where some exclusive tips are shared.
• 02:29 - 03:09: Building an Email Categorization System - N8N The chapter discusses building an email categorization system using N8N, emphasizing an economic perspective rather than solely focusing on technical skills. It notes that while many talented individuals create systems on platforms like YouTube, these systems might not be practically viable for business applications. The author aims to address this gap by considering the economic viability and practicality of implementing such systems in real-world scenarios, especially for clients or businesses. The example of AI agents is mentioned to highlight the difference between superficial appeal and actual functionality in practice.
• 03:09 - 03:49: Building an Email Categorization System - Make.com The chapter introduces the topic of building an email categorization system using Make.com, emphasizing the potential for monetizing such systems. The speaker intends to provide practical methods for generating income with Make.com and similar platforms. Furthermore, the chapter aims to delve into the reasons for opting for one platform over another. The speaker begins by offering a background on the platform Make.com, highlighting its positioning as an AI-native workflow system, evidenced by a recent screenshot of Make.com's webpage.
• 03:49 - 05:29: UX, Functionality, and Financial Comparison This chapter provides a comparative analysis of different platforms such as Zap and Make.com, focusing on their UX (User Experience), functionality, and financial aspects. It highlights how certain platforms may not fully emphasize their AI capabilities in their promotional pitches despite having substantial backing and collaborations with notable organizations. The chapter mentions Pearson, Adobe, and other distinguished clients as examples of the platform's extensive reach and credibility. An interesting trivia fact is also promised as part of the narrative.
• 05:29 - 06:29: Conclusion and Recommendations The chapter discusses the innovative features of a tool initially called node mation, now known as nadn. A key highlight of nadn is its self-hosting capability, which allows users to host the tool on their own servers instead of relying on a third-party platform for every use. This feature distinguishes nadn from other no-code tools and is generating significant interest.
• 06:29 - 07:00: Programs and Offerings The chapter 'Programs and Offerings' discusses the uniqueness of a platform in the no-code space that allows for self-hosting, contrasting it with others like Make.com and Zapier. It caters to more developer-oriented users, as it offers the flexibility and control to set up a self-hosted server. However, this comes with the trade-off of requiring more technical expertise to set up. The appeal of self-hosting and the technical considerations involved are highlighted as key aspects.

Make.com vs N8N in 2025 (AI Agents, Key Features, & More) Transcription

• 00:00 - 00:30 hey my name is Nick I made over a 100 Grand last month with no code tools like make and now nadn both these platforms have gotten super popular recently so in this video I wanted to basically give you guys a comprehensive breakdown of each from somebody that actually uses them but also not just from a nerdy academic perspective but in terms of real business utility like these platforms ability to drive dollars I'm also going to cover the differences between them I'm going to talk about what the building process looks like on nadn versus make.com I'm actually going to like create the same system on both platforms you can see that difference
• 00:30 - 01:00 play byplay I'll show you the relative cost of each platform give you guys a financial breakdown and finally we're going to round it out with which one I would personally choose moving into the new year especially if I were completely new to this and doubly especially if I wanted to make real money selling services on them so if you guys are looking to use no code in your business or maybe start an agency doing automation or something of that nature then this is the video for you let's get into it okay buckle up cuz we got a lot to cover as I mentioned we're going to start by breaking each platform down first will be nadn where we're going to
• 01:00 - 01:30 chat about the context kind of some background information what nadn was made for uh the name of nadn which most people don't know I'll chat about some Concepts that are fundamental to nadn but don't apply to other no code platforms stuff like their canvas workflows uh nodes and some of their looping logic then finally we're going to chat about AI agents which is one of the big reasons why NN has gained a lot of prominence recently um finally after that we're going to do a Hands-On ux review which is where I actually go into the dashboard play around with the tool just walk you through everything from a bird's ey view after after we're going
• 01:30 - 02:00 to do the exact same thing with make.com contexts Concepts a Hands-On ux review and then we're going to get to everybody's favorite part which is the actual building where I am going to build the exact same system in both make and nadn I'm going to contrast the approaches they're in you're going to learn a lot about the different sorts of logic required like the skill levels um programming knowledge and so on and so forth after that we'll cover some major differences in ux and functionality I'll kind of go line by line and talk about my own experience is somebody with many many years doing no code um before doing a financial comparison and then I will give you guys the secret sauce at the
• 02:00 - 02:30 very end and tell you what I would choose hopefully that makes sense let's dive right into it so the very first thing we're going to do is break down each platform I'm going to be taking more of an economic perspective when I do these breakdowns um the reason why is because I just notice a lot of people on YouTube are like talented with these platforms but they'll put together systems that like wouldn't actually work in practice I find if you wanted to sell them to a client if you wanted to use them in a business like there's a lot of talk about AI agents right now for instance and I think like superficially a lot of the the functionalities can be really cool but but you know I ask
• 02:30 - 03:00 people well okay like how much money does this actually make and a lot of the time they kind of come up with Jack for an answer so uh I'm I'm going to show you guys some practical ways that you guys can make money with both of these platforms andm make.com and then as I mentioned I'm going to uh you know uh I'm going to be talking about some more in-depth reasons why to use one versus the other so obviously let's get started with naen um I'm going to give you guys some background contacts first things first I just took a screenshot of their page just a few minutes ago this is what it looks like as you guys can see they're very much positioning themselves as AI native workflows that's
• 03:00 - 03:30 in contrast to you know zap make.com and a couple of other platforms that you know while while uh talking about AI I don't really think make it like the whole pitch but these guys have a lot behind them now right like they work with Pearson Adobe Works send and blue uses nadn World Central Kitchen I don't know what that is but if a logo's got a globe on it odds are it's pretty big so let's start by talking about some context and then uh let's let's run through the rest of it in turn now really interesting fun trivia fact of
• 03:30 - 04:00 the day that nobody's ever going to give a if you if you understand um n was actually initially called node mation and is very much the new kit on the Block so notation to nadn no idea but apparently that was not a logical stretch for some and so now we call it nadn n includes a number of features that most other no code tools do not the most important one and the one that gets a lot of Buzz is this concept of self-hosting which is the ability to host nadn on your own server instead of pay a platform every time you send or
• 04:00 - 04:30 receive data using it so this is in contrast to make.com it's in contrast to zappier it's in contrast to basically every other platform out there and it's it's very very rare in the no code space which naturally resonates with people that are a little bit more developer oriented like you know if the main Crux of the differences I can set up a self-hosted server with it if that's one of the reasons why you're going to use it obviously that sort of rationale is going to appeal more to like the developers amongst us right now nothing comes for free if you want to self-host it is going to take some more technical just set up I'm planning on making
• 04:30 - 05:00 videos on that and a bunch of other n and a and stuff in the future so if that's something you guys are considering then definitely stay tuned for that but just know that nothing comes for free you know if you make something that's just like a lot better A lot of the time it's going to require you a little bit more work now another big part of naden is that they're open source so bird's eye view that just means unlike the majority of other no code tools out there you can actually like look at the code of nadn which is pretty whack if I click on this button here I open this up and just you know scroll through this is a GitHub repo GitHub B a place where you could just
• 05:00 - 05:30 store up scripts and code and share them with people um this is the whole giad repo for for NN so literally all the code for the whole thing is here um they are not secretive with you know how they put this thing together make does not have this um you know zapier and other no code platforms do not have this or if they do it's usually some limited subset of the the code that um you know they don't necessarily reveal to everybody so you know what that means is in practice if you guys were looking to take nadn and then like I don't know let's say you make a you make a business with it or
• 05:30 - 06:00 some API or something you could theoretically like you know hire up some developers and have them actually tweak the source code of n then itself to like make it work better if you run into some major work uh sorry some major block or something uh you can you can actually solve it with code now as I mentioned this is a double edged sword because more freedom means more responsibility thank you Uncle Ben I don't think that was his quote but um you know nothing comes for free but the really cool part about nen and you know kind of this point that I'm going to keep on harping over the course of the next hour or so is you don't actually have to self-host it um I don't self-host it a lot of
• 06:00 - 06:30 people don't self-host it the Big Technical block for most people in getting started with NN is the self-hosting thing but you absolutely don't have to the pricing actually ends up being pretty comparable to most other no code platforms if you don't so uh you know like hosting is really self-hosting is really cool and it unlocks like a whole new side of the no code platform but they also totally have just have a like a cloud-hosted offering that you can pay for and that's fine too so this is definitely Best of Both Worlds you could tell that it's the new kit on the Block because they're just offering a lot of these like next Generation functions which is neat
• 06:30 - 07:00 and then yeah you know they they definitely lean heavily on the dev friendly side of the no code Spectrum um they have a pretty straightforward interface it's not really as polished I would say as most other ones nor is it as intuitive but once you get used to it can obviously be very powerful okay we're onethird of the way done the text before we jump into building the second thing I wanted to chat about are some Concepts now what I have in front of us is I have an actual snippet of um an NN canvas a canvas is just like the visual surface upon which you drag and drop modules and as you see here we have this thing on the left
• 07:00 - 07:30 which says execute workflow trigger goes into like this code module we do some fun filtering magic aggregating and then we add a label to it looks like a Gmail um what's going on here I have no idea we're going to have to jump into the actual ux of the platform and be able to click on any of these puppies but essentially um this just is an illustrative tool to show us what each of these three major Concepts in an are the background here is just the canvas that's this little thing with a bunch of dots the workflow is just respond corresponds to this whole thing and then the the nodes are just the individual
• 07:30 - 08:00 things here so execute or Flor trigger that's a node code that's a node I bring this up because each of these have different like definitions and and Concepts between no code platforms so it's just good to sort of understand um uh you know their differences before we actually dive in because I'm going to be throwing a lot of terminology at you and you know anytime you're in more of like a programmer sort of thing automation definitely being one of them I'm definitions can be can be super important so yeah that's that um in terms of inputs and outputs nadn is kind of unique and how it structures like the
• 08:00 - 08:30 the view um the inputs are just always on the left outputs are just always on the right so pretty straight forward your work is here in the middle which is just transforming the inputs to outputs in some way so uh yeah you know the input is the thing that feeds into the node if I were to scroll back up here um for the purposes of of posterity you know this is the input here and then this is the output to this so this you know text classifier I mean that module in particular is not here but I don't replace the term Tex classifier with
• 08:30 - 09:00 code and this is basically just like a bird's eye view of of of this these are the inputs and the outputs uh credentials um are you know reasonably simple to understand they use these credentials to sign into all of these different platforms like no code tools are just glue right glue is fantastic but it doesn't really do anything unless you connect stuff to it or stick it on stuff right so just like glue um no code platforms need other platforms to to connect to and credentials are a very hot topic um in no code tool cuz some of them handle credentials really easily
• 09:00 - 09:30 some of them handle credentials really shittily um I'm happy to say that nadn handles credentials reasonably well it's not the best I personally think make handles them better which I'll show you in a moment but um yeah you can connect with a variety of methods oo 2 just means you'll get a little sign in with the platform button so you know if you want to set up a cool flow which is with like a Google drive folder Google sheet or Google Gmail or something a lot of the time you can just click sign in and little signin window will pop up it'll connect to your account and then voila you're done that's in contrast a lot of the time to doing stuff like API key
• 09:30 - 10:00 um you know handling client IDs client secrets and stuff like that which is really annoying okay and then finally we have this concept of executions and execution just means a run of a workflow basically if I just scroll back up here right that this whole thing you know if I just click go and this runs through from left to right that' be considered one execution and this seems pretty straightforward and pretty simple but I bring that up because this is very different to how make.com Works which you'll find out uh in in a few minutes make.com does not bill you based off of execution in this manner bills you based
• 10:00 - 10:30 of something called operations so that's very important to know and now that I'm glad that we do we can move on to the next step which is AI agents so one of the biggest and most decisive reasons why anaden has blown up as much as it has is because of AI agents you may be here because my YouTube title had the term AI agent in it or maybe you are just more interested in the AI agent side of things than you are the procedural automation side of things and that's totally cool a agents are definitely very powerful um essentially n8n has decided very intelligently to put a module in their uh like platform
• 10:30 - 11:00 called the AI agent it's literally just like a module you can go on the right hand side you click AI agent I want to add an AI agent to my flow and whether this is because of foresight or something else and this has really helped them helped them grow and you know it's become a core feature of what uh most naden flows that are like you know do cool things involved so to keep things really simple basically you know when you talk when you talk to chat GPT or something it's just a text interface right you send a text and then it returns you some text what AI agents are or at least the way that um nadn defines
• 11:00 - 11:30 them is instead of just sending you back text and that just being the interface you can actually connect an AI model like chat GPT or something to a tool and you can choose or create one of those tools and then when your AI model receives a request or receive some data instead of just sending you back some text it can actually go and it can execute something using that tool you know maybe there's some weather API or something it can actually go and it can like call the weather API receive that data and then use like some little
• 11:30 - 12:00 decision-making logic to like wrap that in like a nice present and send it back to you you know instead of it just being like7 they'll say Hey you know uh it's 17 make sure to like wear a coat or something uh I don't know maybe you want to figure out what Peter said to Sally three weeks ago in the group chat right you send that to your chat GPT model and chat GPT thinks hm how am I going to find this out well I should probably use the uh you know read group chat flow and then it goes through and it actually like executes a flow that reads through your whole group chat calls your little
• 12:00 - 12:30 group chat API or whatever returns that data and then answers your question that way you can obviously do a ton of other stuff you could like create content you could uh I don't know compose freaking songs there's a million one things you can do with AI agents and I'm going to talk a little bit more about that later but you know just to keep a long story short a agents are one of the big components that naden has over basically all other no code platforms it's one of the reasons why it's doing so well so you're no longer just prompting chat gbd statically you're now installed an AI agent module as a decision maker in your business and the way that I see it is
• 12:30 - 13:00 most of these flows are very much in their early stages but there's a lot of Market enthusiasm behind a agents so NAD end going full AI native with this feature is probably one of the key reasons why they've grown so much and why they're going to continue to grow over the coming months and years okay so that's that for Theory let's actually jump into some Hands-On ux let's actually play around with nad's dashboard and yeah let's just learn by doing which I believe is a much more effective way than us just reading through a slideshow so I just jumped on to n8n I am here at nix ar. app. nn.
• 13:00 - 13:30 Cloud this is because I am running this through their Cloud offering as I mentioned I'm not self-hosting naden I have a self-hosted instance but I don't really play around with it too much um and essentially let me just run you through what the user interface of anaden looks like cover some common questions kind of before you have them then we can actually jump into a workflow and just play around with it a little bit and uh you know add some modules and that sort of thing so bird's eye view we obviously have the logo in the top left hand corner nothing special there we have the home the home is just
• 13:30 - 14:00 a list of all of your workflows you can sort them based off last updated last created name uh you can filter them based off of whether or not they have tags you can obviously organize them however you'd like statuses uh I don't know owners if you have multiple people in your organization you have an area to store credentials in your home as well so if you have any connections to various services that you use to send or receive data I don't know in my case I have a Gmail account here clip clickup account cal.com account IMAP account
• 14:00 - 14:30 this is where you'll store them and you can click this button to add more if you want I'll run you through what all that stuff looks like when we do our practical example on the left hand side uh this dashboard is also broken down into projects and so projects are in my opinion kind of a crappy way um for an to to organize different workflows um so you know I have one here that's called personal this is the default one that I believe nidn sets up for everybody when you make an account and there a variety of different ways you can organize things um as you can see I've sort of loosely organized mine I tried organizing mine based off of just a
• 14:30 - 15:00 specific flow you know this is for a YouTube comment scraper that I put together a while ago uh you know I also tried making like a templates folder but essentially this just allows you to uh you know better organize the workflows in your team sorry workflows in your um NN account and then you can also assign people to work on different projects so you could actually add users that could work on this project but not this one for instance which just provides you an additional level of segregation most no code platforms have this so I'm not going to harp on it but uh yeah that's more or less the way that that's set up one thing that I should mention is that um credentials are not natively or by
• 15:00 - 15:30 default stored across projects which is kind of annoying so you know like if you just wanted to use this as like a top level way to organize this isn't like a folder like you can't just drag this in here and then everything's okay um you actually do need to go and you need to like specifically share credentials between projects because I guess the idea is you know you might want different people to use different projects in your team um you know for security and safety click this button to add more and then down here we have a bunch of commonly misunderstood Pages I'm just going to click on admin panel quickly to walk you guys through what
• 15:30 - 16:00 that looks like essentially when you're running their um Cloud offer they take you to a little a little dashboard here which shows you the number of executions you have the number of active workflows you have and then you can also manage like your billing information and that sort of stuff which is pretty neat so as you see I'm on the pro monthly plan um my time zone you know uh there's some features surrounding what executions to save uh you can click this button to restart your workspace it actually sends a request to the server to turn it off and and then there's some billing information here which I'm just not going to get into for privacy purposes will show my card and so on and so forth
• 16:00 - 16:30 um they also push their forums really hard and that's just because they actually do have a fantastic Community um you know it's probably one of the most active communities out there on any no code platform I think the N Community is a lot more active than the make Community which we can check out later as well but uh yeah that's that's more or less this from a bird's eye perspective um we just go back here you'll see there are a few other Pages there's templates now n organizes um this templates page really well essentially they allow this open marketplace where people can create
• 16:30 - 17:00 their own flows and then just put them up for you um to download in like a second and so they also have a really cool canvas feature inside here where you can actually like play around with the scenario just live on their website uh which is sweet and then they document them all really really well so a lot of um a lot of potential here just to get up and running with like you know the barebones um I want to say skeleton of a flow instead of you necessarily always having to like build everything from scratch you can just find something that's like 80% of the way to what you were planning on doing and then just M
• 17:00 - 17:30 Massage it a little bit it's also obviously a great learning tool I really like the templates feature after that you have a variables page uh variables is just sort of like a way to store account uh accessible information I don't know I could like go um account owner name and then I could say Nick or something like that the benefit there is anytime I create a scen um not a scenario rather but anytime I create a workflow um I can use this variable now to reference this value so this is what I would use in uh the kind
• 17:30 - 18:00 of pseudo code that they use and I'll walk you guys through that when we actually build it a flow we then have a list of executions here which is kind of neat um this is just a list of basically every run that has occurred in your nadn instance I'm using Cloud so in my case this would be on their server but if you're using your own it'd be on your own server then you have a little help section here um a list of updates over here on the left hand side they're very consistent with their updates um and then uh yeah they're also very um I want to say helpful when you describe bugs and and stuff they kind of like template out all the error messages and and
• 18:00 - 18:30 everything like that uh because in my opinion anen is probably one of the the better active developer communities just given that it's open source and stuff all right great so we just nerded out over a little dashboard um what does this actually mean for us well I'm actually just going to dive right into um you know the canvas and we can poke around with some system that I built before so this is a simple email autoresponder I just said email autoresponder on the Le hand side RB just stands for rebuild um if you guys are new to this channel I uh have created a bit a long like make.com
• 18:30 - 19:00 course a while ago that taught everybody how to get up and running with simple business utility uh scenarios as they're called and make you know like very simple two or three module flows that like can actually drive revenue and make your business better and what I'm doing now is I'm just rebuilding them all in na10 just to prepare myself for a course that I'm going be creating on this platform but essentially this email autoresponder functions really similar similarly and very simply it starts with a Gmail trigger Gmail trigger just means uh this is if we double click on something that watches my Gmail every 15
• 19:00 - 19:30 minutes so credential to connect with I connected to my Gmail account but I can also click create new credential then it'll ask me to sign in with my Google account is kind of neat just going to close this um then there are a bunch of variables here that I could set I could set mode how quickly do we wanted to check my Gmail so every X and then X is 15 I could have Al also just picked 15 um sorry I could have picked every minute every hour every day could it in every week every month so you guys see
• 19:30 - 20:00 inid in provides you a a ton of I guess flexibility and a lot of their built-in nodes are fantastic you can select a variety of events in this case I guess it's just message reive for this module um you have the ability to kind of make some changes we could simplify the output and then we could also add some filters so in my case I just added a filter for emails that I was receiving with the subject new leite now the really cool part about NN is it allows you to fetch uh test events um and just handle testing really easily which I'm going to cover in a lot more detail later but essentially if I just click this button
• 20:00 - 20:30 you know this is the input of my flow I click a button then um what I receive here in my little query is this goes through my Gmail account and actually finds an email that fits this filter subject new lead and you can see it returns me a ton of fields here right this is in Json JavaScript object notation but they variety of other forms let's just use schema that's probably the simplest for us and you can see that it gives me a ton of data it goes and it fetches an email that contains this and one of them is here hey Nick uh Nick here thanks for reaching out I appreciate your kind words about Peter's content happy to help get you started I just let Sam my partner know about this
• 20:30 - 21:00 he loves Peter's work too so it's great timing it'll give you a reply in a few minutes to dive into more detail this is an actual email in my Gmail account um that we've just we've just pulled up so that's pretty sweet uh the really cool part about the ux is you actually get to adjust this and you can make this as big as you want so I don't know if you just wanted a bunch of space in the middle you can you can do this it's kind of neat uh I'm more used to uh a few other no code platforms so NAD dedication or focus on minor aspects to use user experience to me has been very pleasant but okay so we just
• 21:00 - 21:30 covered one node obviously there are a variety of nodes in this workflow there's an open AI node if I double click on that it'll open up here and there's also a Gmail send message node as well but as you can see node structures don't change you know they kind of all looks the same we have some input on the left hand side we have some area where we can manipulate parameters in the middle and then on the right hand side we have some like weighted to get output and then you know in this middle section you know there's just a bunch of fields and these fields tend to depend on uh What uh module you are using so
• 21:30 - 22:00 that's kind of like what the actual um step-by-step process looks like if you're were to be playing around an N putting pieces together and stuff like that if we head over to the top right hand corner you'll see there's an open nodes panel if I give that a click well now we can see that um you know they variety of options available to us if we wanted to extend this flow or do something different to it so for instance um I could search a ton of nodes here but let's hypothetically say that after we send this Gmail message I wanted to do something in a project management platform um one called clickup if I type clickup here you'll
• 22:00 - 22:30 see that nent actually already has a native integration with clickup and they tend to have pretty good native Integrations it's not the best but it's pretty solid the second that we click on it you'll see that it exposes a bunch of different actions we could do we could create checklists we could create checklist items we could create comments folders I mean like basically anything that you can do on clickup you can do through the nadn API connection as well so I don't know maybe I want to create a task there you go give that a click the second you create it you need to select a credential to a to um connect with and
• 22:30 - 23:00 so I could click create a new credential here Click ooth 2 and then sign into my clickup account but in my case I already have a credential so I don't actually have to do that just yet and you can see again now we have a bunch of different fields here right so obviously you need a little bit of playing around with any no code tool to understand what each of these do um but if you did want to you know whip up a flow that does this or get a template as I was mentioning earlier that maybe does these first three parts and then add on some additional functionality uh you could literally do so just by clicking this plus button typing in the plat that you want and then dragging that little arrow
• 23:00 - 23:30 over into the subsequent module very straightforward stuff um very cool and I like how easy it is to drag and drop and move around this canvas and stuff like that as well okay great so I think you guys probably understand most of what's going on inside of both the canvas and the dashboard um the last thing I'm going to mention is uh as you know I've talked about earlier testing is a pretty big part of any no code building process they have the ability to test workflows very easily if you just click test workflow it'll go through left to right
• 23:30 - 24:00 and basically execute all of the scenario uh all of the the nodes in the workflow the reason why we can't run this is just because I've added a new new node to the right hand side of this um which you know was not properly configured so if I delete that if I Mouse over this and you can just drag select an element and then delete it and then test the workflow you'll see that it actually goes through and visualizes the running of all of us which is pretty neat so when the nodes turn green we now see the workflow is executed successfully if I double click on any of
• 24:00 - 24:30 these I can go in and actually see what the output was for that node run which is pretty sweet so that was the output of this node if I feed into the next node you see that it went in here on the left hand side we then transformed it this is the output of that node which um you know uh sort of depended on the AI logic here in the middle and then on the right hand side that's the output of this node and then this is the output of that Noe when you send a message through Gmail it just kind of tells you hey how's it going here's the ID of the message you send so on and so forth if I actually go into the email address that
• 24:30 - 25:00 I used to send this we can actually see it right over here hey Sam Nick here thanks for reaching out I actually just received that email a second ago so this is hooked up it's live it's ready to go and yeah in a nutshell that's um sort of how nadn looks there's obviously a little bit more detail hidden behind a lot of these um toggles and drop downs and stuff but I think I'll leave it for there and then uh we'll pick up going into more detail as actually build out um our our example system in a moment okay great so with that taken
• 25:00 - 25:30 care of let's move on to make.com now make.com it's pretty similar in I guess Theory to nadn but there are a couple of fundamental differences which we should chat about so first of all um here is their landing page I again just went out and then in a few minutes took a screenshot of it and pasted it over here nothing special as you can see they are nowhere near as dialed into the whole AI side of things it just says build systems # withm make well let me tell you uh they're a little bit older of a platform and because cuz they're a little bit older of a platform um I
• 25:30 - 26:00 don't know maybe they just don't have their finger on the pulse as much or something like that but um you know they they haven't really taken as much to the whole AI agent Revolution I want to say they've certainly made some changes especially recently but um yeah definitely a little bit further behind on that AI front that's not to say that it's not a great platform and you can't do really cool things with it um I have built my career off make.com and I've made well over a million dollars using it so just to give you guys some background make.com formerly called integrat was launched back in 2012 um that actually is a plus if you think about it cuz that means that the had a long time to iterate and improve their
• 26:00 - 26:30 product as well as gather user feedback also does mean that a fair bit of the platform was built using older Technologies so there's a bit of a trade-off you're not going to find it as Snappy as NN like we were playing around with it a moment ago um but uh you know the the the value there is that the SE the features that they do have tend to be extraordinarily well uh grooved I want to say now it's simple but it's also close source so in contrast with NN if you know nadn Brands itself as open source and flexible make.com kind of Brands itself as like Hey we're closed
• 26:30 - 27:00 but we're really really easy for you to pick up you could do something that you know adds value to a business in five minutes maybe even less so you're not going to be fiddling with code you're probably not going to be fiddling with servers unless you've done something super wrong and you're definitely not going to be fiddling with any self-hosting make.com um actually just manages everything in the cloud for you so all you really have to do is just drag and drop modules across the screen you don't have to deal with any of like the devop stuff now you know just for self-awareness purposes what I showed you back there with nadn was Cloud hosted as well so they're sort of on
• 27:00 - 27:30 Level Playing grounds if if we're talking sheerly cloud hosted but if you were to self-host it which um as I mentioned I may record a video on at some point in the future and there are plenty of other videos that you can check out right now on YouTube about the topic if you'd like uh you do have to do a fair amount of like development work you have to sign up to a server you have to add environment variables you have to you know connect to a repo and that sort of stuff even authentication in make.com is very very straightforward they include a ton of built-in native connections way more than uh nadn does probably owing to the fact that they're a little bit older um and all you really
• 27:30 - 28:00 have to do is just click create a connection 90% of the time you will just automatically connect to your account and then that's it now as I mentioned they have a ton of Integrations uh basically if it has a ready-made module for your favorite service it's a one-click sort of deal and then voila you know you have a module that actually connects to some API or does some business thing they have a very large user Community owing to the fact that they've been running a little while longer than naden has so there's obviously a lot of tutorials templates and uh Blueprints and scenarios I've definitely added substantial percentage of that recently
• 28:00 - 28:30 um but yeah that just means you get a workflow up and running in a few minutes so if I could just contrast the two platforms just kind of philosophically um you know make is is polished very simple uh probably fewer things that you could do development wise but you know it works and when it works it works really well whereas nadn is definitely more of the developer friendly flexible you can do way more things with it um but you you know you do kind of need to know a little bit and there are some gotchas and stumbling blocks which we'll see later all right let's chat a little bit about the concepts in make.com they
• 28:30 - 29:00 are quite different from nadn so it's very important to know the difference between them I'm going to cover them from a bird's ey view this is what a make.com flow looks like instead of a workflow like an nadn this is referred to as a scenario instead of nodes like those little square ones that we saw earlier these circular ones are referred to as modules um a trigger is sort of like the thing that begins the flow and an action is everything else triggers just have this little circle with I mean you know in this case it's little electricity icon but it can be a number of things um and yeah the core building
• 29:00 - 29:30 block of everything is just the the scenario it's a flowchart of interconnected modules I mention here so we're going to dive in and actually play around with this but before we do there are a few differences between how they handle things um and I just wanted to cover them here the first is bundles so um basically the way that make.com will work is it it'll alert you every time that um a module runs more than once or rather if I if I back up a couple steps um when a mod runs uh if it outputs
• 29:30 - 30:00 multiple bundles of data okay if the output of the module is more than just one thing it's a collection of things a list an array whatever you want to call it then every subsequent module runs a bunch of times and so they alert you to this with these little bubbles when you run stuff this ran once this run seven times now the reason why I bring this up is because um this is a core part of make.com sort of philosophy um that's different from Ann's nadn had an execution which is basically when the whole workflow gets executed that's one
• 30:00 - 30:30 execution well make.com doesn't work that way it works in terms of operations so instead of the entire U workflow counting as one execution basically every time a single module runs here it counts as one operation and you're build based off of your operations usage so for instance a flow like this you know we're one little um run of the module on the left hand side and seven runs of the module on the right hand side this would amount to eight operations and it's very important if you want to like understand the billing and how it scales there are
• 30:30 - 31:00 also a few other things like filters that's what this little gear icon is in the middle which I'll touch on and then routers which allow you to branch and do cool things to create complex paths um and that's one of the reasons why I really like make.com it's just very simple and straightforward I would say once you get it um but you know the operations uh billing and stuff like that is definitely one of the cons now uh previously like before with n8n um you know I I showed you guys a little snippet of code there a little bit of Json with um I believe it was like the account variables uh make.com sort of
• 31:00 - 31:30 abstracts a lot of that code stuff away into just these nice little bubbles this is a green little bubble called sheet look how friendly it is if you drag and drop it into this field here you'll be referencing the sheet you can see we dragged and dropped this email address module which is this one right over here um so they they like to abstract a lot of the complexity behind just nice pretty cute ux and then uh yeah you know in general and you know feel free to take a look at this resource I'm obviously going to include it down below in the YouTube description but in general they just abstract a lot of their complexity away
• 31:30 - 32:00 it makes a lot easier to build and troubleshoot automations even if you have a very limited Tech background so make.com is definitely like the beginner friendly of the bunch um now I'm going to do a Hands-On ux review and show you guys what it actually looks like to build stuff with all right so some user experience differences already as you could see this is the dashboard area of make.com there's a lot more going on if I'm honest than n8n and I think that's just because this is an older software platform so they've just found room to stick a bunch of everywhere um but if I just go to the very top left hand corner we have this dashboard here with
• 32:00 - 32:30 a ton of different buttons we start with the organization page which is just the company essentially your your company account and uh you have pretty clear visualization of your operations given how that's sort of like how you're build and how they make their money they try and put that first and foremost so so you can see I I'm on the Pro Plan here with a price of 62 bucks and I purchase 40,000 Ops a month and basically I've used 1,324 of those operations they break it down into like a daily graph so I could see um and you know as I'm sure you could tell I'm using substantially fewer operations than I'm paying for so
• 32:30 - 33:00 this kind of tells me I might be able to downgrade my plan realistically although in the last few days I've used a little bit more they have a little data transfer widget here I'll be real in practice nobody ever cares or uses this unless you're doing super like visual or video heavy applications in practice very few people are um there's a way to upgrade your plan here obviously these guys are monetized as hell you could buy extra Ops over here you can enable operations Auto purchasing which you know if you um hit the 40,000 cap in my case I just automatically buy another 10K more uh and then we have a bunch of
• 33:00 - 33:30 other tabs here and I'm not going to cover every single one um just because there there's a lot to go off of but probably the key are um the teams so you could actually add users to specific teams this is sort of analogous to the projects in nadn where you have different users that are capable of working on different projects so you can see I have two users here um this is just one of my emails this is another one of my emails but I can invite however many I want with different types of roles and then another thing that I want to I want to touch on is is if I go down here on the left hand side and then go to scenarios this is sort of where like
• 33:30 - 34:00 the vast majority of your uh like work is is realistically going to live this is a list of all the scenarios in my account as you can see I have a fair number because I've been working with make.com for quite a while um and on the left hand side here we have folders which is how I organize them so um because it's organized A to Z I put a little naming convention here with z0 that means that this is always going to be the top so example builds is always at the top 01 sales and marketing all flows that correspond to sales and marketing kind of stick them here management Finance archived this is an
• 34:00 - 34:30 iterators agors master class one of my YouTube courses and this is NSM Nix rif media which is sort of like my my YouTube brand so as you can see here there's a ton of information and just breaking it down kind of Step by Step you have a list of active scenarios here and then inactive scenarios here and then Concepts which are something that basically nobody on make.com from my understanding nobody that actually makes money with it actually uses unfortunately um but anyway let's actually click into one of these scenarios and just play around a little bit let me see what would be a good one to do let's do this new ghost.org sign
• 34:30 - 35:00 up to email roadmap let me show you guys what this looks like when I give this a click we're now entering the overview and the overview includes the title of the scenario up here um the diagram which is sort of like how it works and on the right hand side it also includes all of its run history so as you can see you know make and NN like they have the exact same core building blocks they just frame it and represent them a little bit differently a very big and common question I get is Nick um you know what can nadn do that make.com
• 35:00 - 35:30 can't or what can make.com do that NN can't the reality is both platforms can do the exact same thing it's not a matter of if you can do something it's just about how easy and how quickly you can do it so anyway moving on if I give this diagram a quick click I actually go into the scenario editor and now I'm actually capable of you know changing and mucking around and essentially manipulating the scenario to walk you guys through how this works if I click on this uh module here it'll open up this ghost.org sign up and then I have this URL anything called a web hook in
• 35:30 - 36:00 any no code platform is basically just like a it's like a trigger that you can send a request to to start a flow and so um services like ghost have uh ways to send requests and then you can catch those requests and then begin whatever flow you want this is my trigger obviously so basically what happens is I will catch a web hook request from the service ghost.org which is by the way just my blog and basically anytime somebody signs up and enters their email
• 36:00 - 36:30 address over here um we go through the rest of this flow and then it sends an email if I open up this little module you can see that we're actually in like a module editor now and we can see that there are Fields here with those bright shiny colored variables like we saw earlier if you click on one of the fields it'll actually open up all the data coming in from previous flows so you see member current previous now I'm not going to click current here just because there is undoubtedly going to be some user information but this is essentially just stores and caches the last request so you can actually see the data that the
• 36:30 - 37:00 the last um run of your scenario um output so uh very similar in nature to the input and the output flow in NN I will say I don't really think it's it's laid out anywhere near as nicely if you think about it the input to this email module should be the web hook but it's kind of over here on the right it's you know automatically changes depending on um where you are on the not the canvas but on their like little editor window I don't know I'm not as much of a fan I definitely like what Nan did with that a little bit more but yeah that's more or less how that works just like we had
• 37:00 - 37:30 different fields in NN we also have Fields um in make for every module so since this is an email module some expected fields are probably going to be subject right content type content scroll down a little bit here actually at the bottom there's a show advanced settings here make.com you know owing to the fact that it tries to be as user friendly as possible they hide away a lot of the complexity so most of the time if you want to do like the super cool you got to show the advanced settings to basically everything but as you can see we could add um copies we could add blind copies CC's bcc's we
• 37:30 - 38:00 could change the from Fields the sender the reply to add some references that's some headers priority you know even me at this point I've been using this platform for I mean probably over half a decade at this point at least um you know I don't know what every field does there's just no real point to um and that's really the cool part about make you don't really have to the only fields that you actually have to know are the Bold ones so you have to you know you have to have a connection you have to save the message after sending you have to have a to an email address content type but that's about it as long as you
• 38:00 - 38:30 have those you're basically good to go speaking on connections by the way if you click on this ad button at the top you can then set up whatever connection you want and um basically if you're sending an email you kind of need to connect to your email provider so there's three different types there's Google there's Microsoft and then there's one called others which is just like a catchall for all other email accounts I don't know you have one with hosting or or something like that this is probably what you'd click so if you wanted to set up like a Google for instance you can then add a a name over here and let's just say YouTube
• 38:30 - 39:00 example I click save it'll actually open up U my Gmail and it allow me to pick one of my accounts which is kind of neat then I can like click an account authorize it and then it's literally you know as simple as like a two button click away um to authorize your flow which is pretty nice second that that's done you know would normally say congratulations authorization completed then you're good to go I just exited it out halfway through so that's not going to happen with me but yeah Okay cool so just doing in parallel to what I was was doing with the nadn stuff how about if I wanted to add something to this why
• 39:00 - 39:30 don't we um add our clickup example from earlier there are variety of ways to add a new module in a make.com flow the simplest one is on the right hand side here it says add another module if I click this it'll create a shadow module here which I can then scroll all the way through and find the platform or service that I want to implement now um just for you know the purposes of this uh example I'm just going to scroll a little bit you guys see that little scroll um you know thing in the top rightand corner here look at how little it's moving I could scroll
• 39:30 - 40:00 all day basically all day and we wouldn't even make it halfway through this is a testament to just how many modules there are in make.com make.com being older and better um uh maybe not better but like better propagated or whatever better marketed at least um you know means that it's connected to a ton of platforms a ton of platforms have native integration so you could find basically anything that you could ever possibly want on here and if you can as I mentioned it's
• 40:00 - 40:30 pretty easy to do so with um to to do a connection anyway with web Hooks and stuff so click up let's uh do the same thing we were doing before create a task okay we already have my connection set up which is nice from here we just need to colle connect to the specific workspace and then yeah as you see make.com just owing again to its ux they abstract away a lot of the complexity right like the next field is only popping up when I fill out the previous field because it doesn't really want to scare me it doesn't really want me to get overwhelmed so uh I'm not going to go through and and run the whole connection but you know
• 40:30 - 41:00 basically what's happening every time I click this button is it's actually calling click UPS API it's getting the data and then it's listing them for me and then finally at the very end you know we have a bunch of fields that are filled so that's how you would add something to a make.com flow now there are a few more buttons I want to click down at the uh check out down at the bottom the first is this run once remember at the end of our nadn example we had a little button at the bottom where we can test the workflow this is basically the same thing in make.com so now because this is a web hook it's waiting for data so in order for me to test this I would have to send some data
• 41:00 - 41:30 to it but there's also this um little green check mark that says immediately his data arrives I can actually turn this on or off as I want so if I turn this off it's not going to be U running obviously if I turn this on this web hle will be live and it'll actually just go through my flow in the background anytime I receive a request aside from that a bunch of other buttons which I think in make.com are just laid out a lot simplier simplier is that a word I don't know um I don't English good uh and then there are a bunch of other settings here which are sort of above the pay grade for the explanation that I'm providing right now but if you spend
• 41:30 - 42:00 any amount of time in make.com you will inevitably uh you know interact with them okay great so that's where we are with make.com basic ux next up I actually want to go through and I want to build a system with both platforms it's one thing to just watch me talk about a platform or poke around it's another thing entirely to build something that's like business functional that actually drives some sort of outcome and that's really what I was referring to at the beginning of this which is uh when I said that I want to take more of like an economical view on these platforms you can build
• 42:00 - 42:30 anything with this stuff I mean this is like a programming language it's just a visual programming language right so just like you could program anything in practice you could also drag and drop anything in practice but I find a lot of the time if you're using a no code platform it's because you want to like do something for a business right A lot of the time it's not that you want to like compose symphony orchestra music or paint a van go like you're you're probably here because you want to make some freaking money and you don't want to have to spend the time and energy that you need to learn programming to do it and the thing that I'm seeing is
• 42:30 - 43:00 there's a big disconnect between people that like get on these no code platforms and they make these flows and then the ability of these flows to like make actual money there's a big disconnect there and and in this video what I wanted to do is I wanted to show you guys a practical example that I know has made me and a lot of other people money as well and these flows are a lot simpler than the complex ones that you probably see thrown all over social media and Linkedin and Twitter uh you know the flows that actually end up making you a lot of money they tend to be the simpler ones that you know you look at from afar and you're like I can put that together in 10 minutes well if
• 43:00 - 43:30 you could put it together in 10 minutes it's a pretty good start the one that I'm going to do today is an email categorization system so most companies still use emails as their primary form of coms but those emails can get pretty overwhelming after all especially for contact at emails info@ emails and hello mailboxes reason why is because these tend to aggregate mail from many sources so a very common need nowadays is to categorize each email and this is usually done through labels you if you're using Gmail or something there a bunch of labels you can create I'll run through how that works in a moment but
• 43:30 - 44:00 what we're going to do here is I'm going to build a system that basically takes in an email it'll use that as a trigger then it'll use artificial intelligence to categorize that email depending on its contents once we've categorized that email we are then going to add a label to it and then if it is one of a few of the categories and I I have no idea because I haven't actually put this thing together yet we're going to do it all together and live if it's one of uh you know like the the low Roi categories the not very urgent categories we'll mark it as red just so that we can get closer to inbox zero and not have a
• 44:00 - 44:30 bunch of stuff clogging up our mail after I'm done with all this I'm going to share both the nadn uh like share link I I'll download it I'll make it accessible and the make.com blueprint in the description so if you guys are just starting out on these platforms maybe you can kind of play around with it practically yourself in order to help make a decision okay great so let's actually jump in and build this platform I'm going to start with naden just because I started with naden for my explanations I think that makes more sense then after that we're going to move over to make.com so the very first thing I'm
• 44:30 - 45:00 going to do is I'm just going to leave our example scenario or oh boy you can tell the make.com is coming out of me because every second word I have to like be like all right what's the NN term for this um I'm going to exit out of the NN workflow and I'm going to add a new workflow and this workflow is going to be our email categorization system now the very first thing I'm going to do is I'm going to explain a hotkey um instead of me going up here to the top right hand corner clicking a button every time if you just press tab it'll open up automatically pretty neat right I'm then going to type in Gmail press enter and
• 45:00 - 45:30 then the trigger that I want is on message received okay so on message received what I want to happen is I want to categorize the email now the credential I'm going to connect with I have a bunch of different accounts I could but I'm just going to create a new credential I'm going to sign in with sign in with Google and then let me think I have a ton of accounts here but why don't I use Nick at left click. select all make sure you trust the source that is connecting to your account then I'm going to click continue as you see uh a little bit of Polish is
• 45:30 - 46:00 still necessary it's has got connected the window can be closed now okay fine and now we uh we have this green notification that the account was connected I'm going to exit out of this and now that it's connected we can actually do stuff with it what stuff good question let me um first of all set some parameters so what how quickly do we want this to pull our email inbox every minute every hour every day every week uh I don't know for the purpose of this demonstration I'm just going to pull this like every let's just do every
• 46:00 - 46:30 like two No 1 hour hypothetically I mean this is completely arbitrary right CU I'm just doing this for a test but maybe we just want this to run once an hour the event is going to be message received and then there's this little simplify button here I'm going to keep this on for now but I'll I'll turn this off afterwards and I'll show you guys why and then there's some filters here we can add a filter so we could include spam and trash if we wanted to we could add a filter for label names right I got a ton of labels here as you can see um you know there's a bunch of other stuff I'm just going to exit out of this uh we could search for specific um emails using Gmail filters so I don't
• 46:30 - 47:00 know subject Nick you are so awesome there are way too few of those in my mailbox okay and then add filter uh read status unread unread and red read emails right anyway the point that I'm making is there's basically just always going to be a ton of settings on anything to do with a major API like Gmail now that we've done this why don't we just go and we fetch a test event it's going to fetch a test event here and as you see the test event that we fetched was the email that I just sent from another email address of mine a moment ago which says hey Sam Nick here thanks for
• 47:00 - 47:30 reaching out I appreciate your kind words from blah blah blah blah blah um this was the input me fetching the test event this is the output now what I'm going to do just the purposes of this demo is I'm just going to pin this if you go to the top right hand corner click pin what you're doing is you're basically just forcing naden to just always use this as the test data moving forward and this is important to do because it just simplifies your flow it also means like anytime I want to test this I don't just have you know I don't have to go back here and click this button all the time okay great so that's that why don't I jump over to my actual Gmail account now why don't we um see what sort of
• 47:30 - 48:00 labels we want to create so why don't we do this really quickly um you see how here on the right hand side of I actually already have a bunch of labels already because I've did something similar in the past so cold Outreach General Q&A gumroad notifications invoices and receipts mmwm maker school public relations sponsorship request transaction emails unknown actually these are these are fine so I'm just going to use these labels but if you want to make new labels you just click on this button make make whatever label you want here you can also Nest labels under parents
• 48:00 - 48:30 which is pretty neat um but I'm not going to do that the gum notifications are because I still want to have gumroad notifs I just don't necessarily want to um like I don't want to like archive all of them but I I just don't want my inbox to be filled with them because I get like 10 downloads every few minutes okay great so uh if you think about it logically you know we just we we've successfully enabled our flow to like get data from my email address what do we have to do now well we need to do some sort of processing and categorization after we're done with the processing or categorization then we can uh assign it a label and that's about it
• 48:30 - 49:00 and the cool news is in n8n um and not in make.com but in NN uh this feature is very easy to do I'm just going to open my nodes panel and then I'm just going to type in categor actually I lied I'm going to go to Advanced Ai and then I'm going to go down to text classifier not categorization but text classifier this will classify my text into distinct categories which is pretty neat I'm going give that a click now um we have this window here that says text to classify you'll also
• 49:00 - 49:30 see on the left hand side says wire me up so what we need to do and I kind of annoying that uxy that we have to um exit out of this every time but hey I didn't invent it uh what we have to do is we have to drag the little plus over to the right hand side connected this little almost magnetic clip here and now we've connected our flow so the data will flow from the Gmail trigger over to the text classifier pretty neat we double click this you'll see that that pinned data from before is now present on the left hand side now we can actually do something with it so if you think about it logically like what what is it that we want to classify we want
• 49:30 - 50:00 to classify the data right the text I will say this doesn't actually include the full email um so uh we need to fix that remember how before I said there's a simplify button I'm actually going to unclick this and then I'm going to click fetch test event and now instead of it being um you know just those few Fields like we saw earlier we actually have way more detail and includes the full email as well this is just one of those quirks of this Gmail trigger module uh node that you just have to know uh fortunately in order to be able to use right but okay great so if you think about it what is
• 50:00 - 50:30 the text I want to classify it literally asks me here this little window use an expression to reference data in previous noes or enter static text what I want to classify is I want to classify this text okay and as you see um this now is populated with some code essentially which is kind of neat um this is one of the reasons why n can be pretty intimidating if you're a total newbie to you know programming and just systems in general because you see code like this with the curly brackets and you're like what the hell's going on what the hell's a dollar sign what's JS n right what's text does any of this make sense um but essentially what this is doing is this
• 50:30 - 51:00 is referencing the previous uh node that was run and then it's pulling out the text parameter or text variable which is this one right over here and NN just happens to have a naming convention where uh the previous node that was run is always just dollar sign Json and then they also have a convention where if you wrap uh a text with these two curly brackets on the left hand side and the right hand side it converts it from just like static text into some sort of function so that's just me explain explaining a little bit about how this works keep in mind all no code platforms of their own unfortunately sometimes
• 51:00 - 51:30 annoying conventions but this is nadn so um as you see something really helpful here is it shows us what the data that we are now populating this text to classify field is we're actually pulling it directly from this text uh variable right then it says result hey Sam Nick here thanks for reaching out I appreciate blah blah blah blah blah so that's nice our next step is we have to make categories if you think about it logically what I want to do is when an email comes in I want to categorize it and then label it so I need to I need to create the categories that I'm going to be using to add the label in order to find this out I'm just going to go back
• 51:30 - 52:00 here and just just take a quick peek at everything cold Outreach General Q&A gumroad notifs invoices and receipts mmwm and maker school public relations sponsorship request transaction emils unknown I'm going to start with cold Outreach so add category cold Outreach there's a description field too which I'm going to talk about in just a second but for now I'm just going to add a bunch more categories and let's just do you know what instead of doing what like five or six or whatever let's just do four yeah that's simpler we're not going
• 52:00 - 52:30 to go through all of these next we'll just do General Q&A next we'll do gumroad notifications um and then next we'll do invoices and receipts okay great so um nadn actually has this built-in text classifier just so you guys know under the hood what this is doing is this is using artificial intelligence to take a query and then assign it a category based off of a text here so um the very cool thing is I actually I don't need to do
• 52:30 - 53:00 anything aside from just like give it a category name and it'll actually do like pretty reasonable um which is pretty neat uh so I could literally just like run it and then it would do fine but it's good practice in situations like this in any sort of categorization flow to always add an unknown and the unknown is just like the the the catchall in case the AI doesn't really know what next step to do um so that's what I'm that's what I've done down here just added a little unknown variable but honestly this is honestly sufficient for us to like move forward with this um we're going to test this really quickly and then see if I need to add a description if not we'll just proceed click test
• 53:00 - 53:30 step uh it says a model sub node must be oh yes a model sub node must be connected um the way that this text classifier works is you need to hook this up to an AI model and that's one thing that I forgot here um just zooming out uh now that we're back on the canvas we can see that we've basically added a bunch of categories here this is basically a bunch of like if statements hey if the category is called Outreach then we can continue this way if the category is General Q&A continue this way if it's gumroad continue this way that's pretty neat but in order to make this work we need to add this little model um which I forgot about so the way
• 53:30 - 54:00 that text classifiers work again is they send it over to AI um NAD then is pretty flexible in that it allows you to choose the ad that you want to do the classification with so if I click on this button you can see have a bunch of different models I could choose from the one that's most popular and probably the one that most of you guys are going to use is open AI one um up here it tells us what it's connected to which is this open AI module which is kind of neat I like that part of their ux but anyway um I've already set up my open account credentials if you wanted to add your own you'd click create new credential
• 54:00 - 54:30 here then it'll ask you for the API key if you don't know anything about this just head over to the open docs and it'll tell you where you find all of this so it'll actually say hey if you want to generate your API key go here click on this page click create secret key and then copy the key and added in hey go over here paste the organization ID in so for posterity I'm actually going to go and do that okay great so I have the organization ID right over here in my open AI account I just went to Beta orat form. open.com setting organization sgen and then I have the organization ID
• 54:30 - 55:00 so I'm just going to give that a little click head back over to my nadn organization ID paste that in then I'll grab the API key as well the way that you get the API key here is you got to go to the API key section create a new secret key and as you can see I already had one that's nadn testing actually let's just go nadn uh YouTube example N8 n testing um I don't know if I need a project I'll just click default and then all create secret key I have a key that
• 55:00 - 55:30 I can copy I'm GNA go back over here and I'm going to paste it in dang that's a long key then we're going to click save okay great now we've connected to open AI we're done with that rigma roll we can move on on the model that we're using GPT 40 mini I'm just going to use GPT 40 in all honesty though like you could use basically whatever model you want for something that's simple it'll perform reasonably well okay now that that's good let's just make sure that everything else is filled out and now let's try testing the step cool so what this has done is it's
• 55:30 - 56:00 basically passed into our um open AI model down here and then it's outputed code based off of a specific format that naden provided it for the functionality of this module which is Json I then it said cold Outreach true General Q&A false com notifications false invoice and receipts false unknown false so it's saying hey this Outreach is cold Outreach which is which is basically true right I mean it is is obviously responding to something of the nature of cold Outreach which is nice so um we also see that the ux change quite a bit
• 56:00 - 56:30 up here um and the reason why is because the second that you use a text classifier any sort of if else or or true or false um it separates the outputs into branches so it's telling us that like the cold Outreach Branch worked with the general QA Branch gumroad notifications Branch invoice and receipts branch and unknown branch that didn't work so just for the purposes of this example why don't I send myself an email that I want classified as an invoice and receipt then let's see if it does a reasonable job and if it does then we can proceed with this and we can actually finish the rest of our flow so first things first I'm going to go over here and then I'm going to unpin this then I'm just going to go over to
• 56:30 - 57:00 um a different email address what did I connect to was it Nick left click on I believe it was yeah so I'm going go over here and then let's actually send myself an email from this here all right so what I'm going to do now is I'm just going to email myself and I'll say re invoice for a39 e f LG processed hello Nick your invoice
• 57:00 - 57:30 for blank is below please see attachment thank you head office cool so I think if anybody were to receive an email like this you'd probably say that it was an invoice and receipt based email right now that we're back in nadn why don't I then um check and and fetch a test event and see what happened okay so scrolling through this puppy you can see is we've received the email that
• 57:30 - 58:00 says invoice for a39 EFG process that sounds pretty invoy to me let's see what the text classifier thinks of this just going to double click it we have the email here let's test step let's see what the output is called Outreach branch no General QA gumber notifications invoices and receipts Branch one item fantastic so you see this is correctly classified our email as being in the invoices and receipts so that's great uh what do we do with this now well we basically want to add um some labeling functionality to it right
• 58:00 - 58:30 so now that we've done the Gmail trigger why don't we just click over here um and then why don't I go to Gmail again what I want to do is add label you can see this literally the first message action which is great I'm going to connect this to my Gmail account I believe it was number two the resource is message operation AD Label that's good message ID label names or IDs oh nice yeah I can actually just pick wonderful cool um let's add this to the first step so that's cold Outreach right uh I don't know why we don't have any data here maybe we need to rerun this oh
• 58:30 - 59:00 you know why it's because our uh cold Outreach Branch did not execute actually the only thing we we technically have access to which is one of the Annoying Parts about this is the invoices and receipts Branch right now so I'm just going to duplicate this by copying and then pasting command C command V and then I'm going to grab this invoices and receipts connect it to my Gmail you'll see we now have the data accessible to us in the left hand side then I'm going to scroll down here to where it says invoices and receipts then for message ID I just want to grab this value right here again we're going to fill in with jason. ID okay so now what I'm going to
• 59:00 - 59:30 do is I'm going to test the step and you see that it did indeed uh label my email which is quite nice um so now we have the the email labeled I go back over here I give this a click you see it now has invoices and receipts on it which is pretty neat okay cool now if we were to test the rest of this so gumroad notifications uh General Q&A and cold Outreach what we need to do do is we basically need to um uh we need to run each of these
• 59:30 - 60:00 routes essentially so I'm just trying to think of the simplest way for me to do this um I could just set some mock data right yeah I could just set some mock data so let's do the cold Outreach again so in order to edit the data you just click on this button here I'm just going to scroll down to where it says text and say hello Nick I am interested in selling you a product
• 60:00 - 60:30 or service would you respond please thank you alter ego save now if we scroll down to text you'll see that that is the uh value of this so the future modules Now text classifier for instance should be taking in that text as an input if we test this now the cold Outreach branch is going to run and now from here we can actually get that data in then drag the message ID in to our text classifier which is pretty neat okay great um from here on
• 60:30 - 61:00 out I'm just going to duplicate these one for General Q&A two for gumroad we have not invoices and receipts and then we have for unknown the thing about n8n um which I don't really like it just calls everything like um it just iterates things so it's Gmail Gmail 2 Gmail 3 Gmail 1 Gmail 4 for instance be kind of neat if I don't know there was some more context around this and it wasn't just iterating numerically but it is what it is uh so General Q&A here gumroad notifications here and then unknown if I can select
• 61:00 - 61:30 this we'll go down over here then for General Q&A um we can actually just use this message ID and this should work because we're just taking the um the exact same name of the variable from the previous run I'm just going to change this so that instead of cold Outreach it is uh was it gumro notifs hold on I think it was General Q&A right yes sorry that was General Q&A so go end General Q&A good this one here uh
• 61:30 - 62:00 will be gumroad notifications this one down here invoices and receipts as we've already talked about and then this one down here will be unknown delete this and then we'll go unnown perfect very cool okay sweet now um last thing I'm going to do just for my own Simplicity is I'm going to rename all these you can do this with a hotkey F2 so click uh this rename this and then I'll say label cold
• 62:00 - 62:30 Outreach and I'm just doing this for my own sanity I just know myself and I know that if I don't do this you know like a month from now when I look at this I'll say what the hell are all these for um invoices and receipts oops you can also just reverse anything by uh command v um command Zing it this one was invoices and receipts and this last one here is
• 62:30 - 63:00 unknown can never spell unknown properly the first time you guys ever get that it's just like some word that your fingers do not want to form some evolutionary lineage is like no you must not okay great so yeah that's that's more or less that that's the system to be honest we are we are done this we can now send it whatever emails we want it'll just go through through the thing labeling them um there's also a couple of other things like you think that we could do like for
• 63:00 - 63:30 instance if it's a gumro notification um you know maybe in addition to me adding a label I also want to mark it as red so I kind of want to do both um logically oh sorry this was gum roads let's go back here logically if I wanted to do that then I could just add another module Gmail then instead of add label Mark a message is read and I just add this over here and voila you can think of it it as
• 63:30 - 64:00 like lower Roi um lower value emails I don't really care about I could probably just go dollar sign json. ID and this would reference the previous node um as long as it outputs a node that includes an ID right we just really quickly test this and make sure yeah yeah it does include a message ID which is nice now we're marking that as red maybe uh yeah and and then also maybe we want to do that for the cold out reach too because we you know if somebody's reaching out to us cold odds are we don't really give a and then here
• 64:00 - 64:30 I'll just say Mark Mark red and here I will also Mark red beautiful and that's our flow um just for the purposes of this test why don't we go through and we just add questions uh do a gum Road note if one um we've already done the labels invoice and receipts but then we'll do one for unknown as well so I'm just going to edit my text again then for text instead of this we'll do hello Nick this is a notification from gumroad your order is
• 64:30 - 65:00 ready thanks gumroad that is now the text we are then going to classify this text the output is now going to be gumroad we can go down our gumroad notifications we can test the step I'll now label my email as gumroad very cool right uh we can do the same thing with unknown maybe I will go over here and then what if I were to hypothetically to get an email that was just I don't know some alien that does
• 65:00 - 65:30 not know English does not know human language and only speaks in hexadecimal sends me an email what's it going to CL classify it as hopefully unknown right so the unknown Branch worked and then let's just do one final one for posterity the general Q&A so we'll go text I think it was down here right not sure why it's not coming up high neck just had a general question about XYZ would you mind helping me with cool then we are going to run this
• 65:30 - 66:00 puppy go down my general Q&A branch and then we will go over here test this and we'll run that flow as well so yeah I'm not exactly sure how long that N1 flow took but as I'm sure you guys could tell you know if you know a little bit about no code whether or not you're a professional with N1 or the specific platform you can usually get by um it's fairly reasonable and and fairly straightforward now that I built that system in NN I think you guys have a reasonable understanding of like how to do simple things with this platform keep in mind that I didn't have any complex
• 66:00 - 66:30 logic here there were no uh uh looping flows or anything like that which can be a little bit more complicated for naden I just wanted to show you guys what like an actual business ready flow could look like with just a few minutes of work what we're going to do now is we're going to build this exact same system but we're going to do it in make.com instead so you guys could see the parallels um and then the differences too so let's open up new scenario let's call this email categorization let's call it system and then in make.com instead of uh what we
• 66:30 - 67:00 were doing before where we had to pull the emails consistently there's actually a much easier way to do this you could actually just go straight off of a mail hook so well actually no I don't think I'm going to do that I'm going to try and build the exact same system let's not get complicated I take that back we're going to click this purple button and we're going to type in email and we're going to type in watch emails now we're going to make a connection it's Google restricted for at left click. going to call this YouTube
• 67:00 - 67:30 example then I'm going to again do the connection just like I did with n8n for nickf that email there from there we are now connected and as you can see it automatically deletes the window and stuff just kind of nicer ux which is cool um and then from here I can select the folder that I want to watch my emails in so the folder I want to watch is just my inbox honestly the criteria for this will be all emails sure uh sender email address recipient email address subject I don't
• 67:30 - 68:00 know about subject let me check what was the email that I just got left click um re invoice for a whatever processed let's try that let's just say invoice Mark messages is read no maximum results one yeah sure that sounds good so again you know none of these fields are required uh I'm just going to be filtering it based off a subject line of invoice just cuz I only want to get that email I don't want to like you know get other people's emails and stuff so great um we will select the first email
• 68:00 - 68:30 ourselves I guess let's see it should sort it out for us um there we go if I right click this and I run this module only what do we get now we get the data from my email address we've effectively hooked this up now just like we did previously Inn to make.com we' now gone from Gmail which is a standalone platform to make now we have the data here we can actually do cool stuff with it all right so uh hello Nick invoice for whatever is below please see attachment hello thank you head office how do we actually go about categorizing
• 68:30 - 69:00 this well unfortunately make.com does not have a built-in categorization feature so we actually have to like do it ourselves but that's okay because I'll show you guys how easy it is all we need to do is go to apps open AI then down here you'll see there are a ton different modules you could choose batches upload files generate audios the one that you're going to want in 99% of cases is going to be created a completion this created a completion prompt um is is BAS basically like the bread and butter of working with AI in make.com so select a method will be
• 69:00 - 69:30 create a chat completion model will be GPT 40 then we're going to um write our own prompt and now this is you know not just a text classification thing which kind of does handle a lot of the work in the background for you but we're we're going to do the AI stuff ourselves and so as you can see you know there's differences between these platforms like make is much easier in terms of user interface everywhere else but then they lack some of the AI features that nadn has nadn is definitely a little more developer oriented and there's some code thrown
• 69:30 - 70:00 around and stuff like that um but you know it's easier to use the AI features so you know any um developer system prompt what we have to do is you are a helpful intelligent um let's do administrative assistant then under here we'll go user and then I'll say your task is to categorize incoming emails into the following labels and I believe we had cold Outreach um let's just do this cold Outreach uh
• 70:00 - 70:30 was a general Q&A gumroad notifications invoices and receipts unknown return your answer in Json as follows we'll say category then I'll say category goes here so I'm basically telling it hey this is what I want you to do um I want you to return your answer in JS n this is like a code format that na10 use to sort of hit away from us um
• 70:30 - 71:00 like this so category might be cold Outreach General Q&A gum notifications invoices and receipts or unknown I'll show you why I'm doing this in a second but just in order to make this flow work well we need to do one more thing we need to head to this response format button and then go Json object and then parse Json response this is just sort of a quirk of using this particular module um but it's it's one that we have to use in order to make this work right okay great one more thing is go to add messages and then go user then the text content we're just going to add in the
• 71:00 - 71:30 text content of the email so that's that pretty simple pretty straightforward as you can see make is pretty colorful with it I'm going to click okay now next up what I'm going to do is you know if I click run once the downside about make versus n8n is is a big um issue is the testing flow if I want to uh test based off of like old data I can't I need to rerun the flow over and over and over and over again I'm convinced that make specifically does this because they're trying to get use as many operations as seemingly possible and this is kind of like a quick little hack that can get you to spend a few more cents here or there um as opposed to just cash the
• 71:30 - 72:00 data for you make it really accessible I don't know I might just be a conspiracy theorist who knows they're turning our frogs gay but uh yeah anyway uh let's actually run through this and let's make it happen the way that I would do this in practice is make.com allows you to rightclick a module and run it only so then you can actually insert your own test data so anyway we have a bunch of categories here why don't I do the first one hey Nick um I know we haven't talked before but I would like to sell you a product or
• 72:00 - 72:30 service would you mind dot dot dot so if I provide this email to my categorization system what should I get pause the video if you don't have the answer right away I should be providing um I should be getting cold email as a response so if I go down here to the output which is all of the variables that this particular API call outputs I go to result the category is indeed cold Outreach pretty cool all right let's run this again I'll just do one more for posterity hey Nick I had a general
• 72:30 - 73:00 question about uh this dot dot dot and we'll click okay what should we be getting now we should obviously be getting General Q&A so as you can see these a models do pretty well with basically no Direction like we didn't have to give it any context or anything it did all right okay what do we want to do now um well I actually want to see if I could label an email I actually don't know if we could do this in the emails module interestingly enough no I think we have to move an email I don't know I guess we'll find
• 73:00 - 73:30 out let's see if there's labels here because some platforms call things folders yeah okay no so um this is a general purpose email module and because it's a general purpose email module it doesn't use the term label which I believe is Gmail or maybe Outlook specific um instead it calls them folders so what we do is we move it from The Source folder to the destination folder so let me run you through how this would work in make.com as you remember in NN we had like 10 modu or something in make you can theoretically do this in like uh three you could have the watch emails Ai and then this one
• 73:30 - 74:00 here um and I'll I'll run you through what that looks like first thing we have to do is you have to go to email ID and then I'm just going to scroll through until I find the email idid variable I need to map so that's good then for Source folder and then destination folder for Source um my incoming emails are always going to be an inbox if you think about it right the destination folder this is the thing that's going to depend um you know hypothetically if I click hold Outreach if I click on this little um tab thing map I actually get the name of the category um for the
• 74:00 - 74:30 destination folder so I don't actually have to like manually click it here I can actually dynamically map it which is crazy right so I just want to make sure that the label names are the same as the categories that are being outut cold Outreach was cold Outreach General Q&A gumber notifications invoices and receipts and unknown right if I click here and I click result you see that the category name is the exact same text so what I could theoretically do is I could just map this to be the category so now instead of me having you know what we had before which is if we just
• 74:30 - 75:00 go back here we had one two make that count if you want three four five 6 7 8 nine right so far we only have three um three in our flow which is pretty pretty sweet honestly a lot simpler I would say um so yeah that's that for now uh one more thing I'm going to do is I'm going to add a another module um called Mark an email is red just going to stick that on on the very end and I'm going to add an email ID here from the moveing email um you can
• 75:00 - 75:30 select you know all of the variables and make all the way back to the very first one in the flow so we could select this one so maybe I will select this one it's it's always just better practice to do the first one and then the folder that this is going to be in if you think about it um it's going to be this folder right because we just moved it to this folder a second ago so that should Mark our email as red the thing is we don't want it to mark it as red on all of them we only want to mark it as red on some of them so so in order to do that make Doom is this filter function which makes it really easy so let's only mark it as red if it's a gumroad notification I
• 75:30 - 76:00 believe that was uh or no in cold out or cold Outreach the condition I'm going to look for is I'll look to see if category is equal to cold Outreach or if category is equal to gumroad notification if we are fulfilling this filter if um an only if it is gumroad notification or cold Outreach will we proceed so we basically taken that other flow which was honestly pretty big um
• 76:00 - 76:30 and just made it like a lot a lot simpler so let's actually see what this looks like I'm going to go um let's run this module only uh let's choose where to start first sorry I just want to make sure I'm always getting the same email here let's go right over here click okay just make sure that all of our data is set up right I believe it is cool yeah we should be fine anyway let's
• 76:30 - 77:00 just give it a go click run once beautiful and it looks like it ran through as you see here this filled with a zero number that's because it was not Gum Road or cold Outreach but let me show you what all the data look like um make.com outputs the outputs through these little Bubbles as opposed to like left to right like NN does so as you can see it pulled this email hello Nick your invoice for blank is below please see attachment thank you head office that's the one that we wrote I don't know 15 20 minutes ago AI then outputed a result which was invoices and
• 77:00 - 77:30 receipts we then use the move an email module it only outputs the uh Return of the ID of the thing it just moved so nothing fancy there and then because this did not run it did not do anything if I go back to my email here then I go to uh where was this invoices and receipts we see that the invoice was processed now I probably should have been smarter about this because we use the same email ID to test all the naden flows we've also labeled as cold air
• 77:30 - 78:00 reach and general Q&A and gumhead notifications but um the most recent label was invoices and receipts which is why it's here so that's that in make.com as I'm sure you guys could see um these systems are honestly pretty similar um they're not you know the exact same but if you think about what they can do yeah they're they're quite similar they have different ways or Paths of getting there um but if you dial back the complexity you know one code platform on no code platform is another no code platform which is the same as another no code platform you could have done the exact
• 78:00 - 78:30 same thing that I did here in zapier you can do it in uh I don't know there a bunch of other no code platforms that are coming up the names are sort of escaping me at the moment so that's where we're at with that um let's move on to some major differences in ux and functionality just to round out this uh review because I know we're getting pretty high up there in terms of time if you're still with me um what the hell is wrong with you know I'm just kidding if you're still with me uh this is going to be another 20 or 30 minutes or so of us talking about module availability Json and code integration the flow control differences the testing
• 78:30 - 79:00 authorization flows that sort of stuff I'm also going to mention some AI features AI agents obviously being the big one um before we close it out so yeah let's start with module availability I've also included a winner here so I think that the the the winner in module availability is make if we go back to NN here and then I um click on this plus area on the right hand side then I type action in an app and I scroll through me wrong there are lots of platforms but I don't know in total maybe a couple hundred right these are
• 79:00 - 79:30 all the platforms that NN is natively um connected to whereas if we go back over here to make we click on this plus button scroll through I mean that's probably to where na10 was so I don't have a numeric way of figuring this out but I'd say make.com is probably at least 15 to 20 maybe 25 times as many platforms and that's not taking into account um Community platforms and stuff either although I don't really know if that's fair considering that NN probably has some Community functionality as well but yeah I guess the point that I'm
• 79:30 - 80:00 making is since make.com has been around a little bit longer if you're just looking for like direct out-of thebox connections that just tend to work make.com is probably your your your better bet um it's definitely substantially more streamlined to get up and running as opposed to you having to make your own API calls or that sort of thing okay the next is Json and code integration so um you know as I mentioned earlier if we click on label General Q&A we scroll in a little bit message id json. id this is pretty interesting because we actually have like code in our no code or low code
• 80:00 - 80:30 tool I should say and the really cool part about it is naden actually allows you to use JavaScript just natively in any of these fields as long as you um go over here and click expression so for instance if I just like you know I don't know wanted to do something to this json. ID okay I wanted to I check if it starts with the number three or something uh like I I can do that I can I can literally do that um let me check what this actually was this is a one I click one here you see it just turned to
• 80:30 - 81:00 True two false one true so I can't understate how crazy this is to me as somebody that you know kind of like back in back in the hood man like the make.com hood things were rough out there we didn't have any JavaScript or anything like that uh we we had to make do with like built-in make.com functions the second that you sprinkle a little bit of code onto your no code platform like like basically everything becomes possible very very quickly and easily um you know make doesn't really want to let you do that because obviously if you could just like do something like this with one little you know like a few
• 81:00 - 81:30 characters then how are they going to make their money right like obviously it's uh the Simplicity and effectiveness of the no code automation platform in a way is directly opposed to their ability to monetize if it's being built on a per operations basis so naden definitely wins there's no comparable feature in make.com the only thing that's even somewhat comparable is they uh there's this third party service called customjs and this isn't even like a like makes company like this is some other company that like built a way to do this you can actually like add some code yourself in
• 81:30 - 82:00 JavaScript but as you see it's nowhere near as Dynamic you don't get any feedback you don't know when the code was sent or received uh you don't have little tool tip windows that pop up it just nowhere near as as Dynamic and you actually have to pay another platform in order to run JavaScript inside of make which is hilarious so Jason and code integration and then wins hands down there's no it's not even close um I could show you you know a bunch of other stuff here like you could literally make your own JavaScript window you could write as much code as you want here um but I'm not going to CU I think it's pretty clear who wins that one okay the
• 82:00 - 82:30 next up is flow control n8n wins flow control now what is flow control um essentially you know earlier I was talking about there being uh a number of ways to or I was talking about how this is one of the simpler flows that you could build right um you know how uh this is sort of like in One Direction it's uni directional you don't have like Loop backs and stuff like that and it can get pretty complicated with that stuff but in general it's it's much more powerful and Nuance than anything that make.com could hope to do um a good example of this is just this text classifier as you
• 82:30 - 83:00 see this Gmail trigger feeds into a text classifier which natively outputs like five different if then statements okay cold Outreach General Q&A gumad notifications invoices and receipts unknown it just automatically does this built-in if we wanted to do something similar here in make.com with a router which is the equivalent um function that kind of splits flows up I would have to go and add a filter for every route I
• 83:00 - 83:30 have to say you know category has to be equal to um you know cold Outreach I have to label it and then I have to do that like you know six times however many times I did um so you know for one we we just tend not to have that built-in kind of filtering or or uh what's the term flow functionality on the other hand um I find Loops are just a lot better done in nadn now I'm not going to show you an example of a loop here but you can
• 83:30 - 84:00 actually just like natively Loop things back into each other in nadn um it's kind of crazy to me just to be able to do that to drag the output of one function into the input of another there is no native way to do this in make like I can't kind of do that and the main reason why is they just don't want to like you know over complicate the hell out of the process for you um so instead the way that it works is if your previous module outputs multiple bundles then all um subsequent modules will run for the same number of times or they will run the same number of times that
• 84:00 - 84:30 there are bundles in the previous module if I give you guys a very simple example with a parse Json module which is just a way for me to convert um JavaScript object notation into something that's accessible by make.com if we go array and then I go here and then go one two if I were to run this what would happen is my first uh module would run once because I just outputed
• 84:30 - 85:00 an array I just converted this into make.com format so an array was um produced with three elements then iterated over this array which basically just means to turn an array of elements into three separate runs so this is run number one bundle one run number two bundle two run number three bundle three then it ran the set variable module three times if I make um the value of this the value I run this again you'll see that I don't really have like a looping feature but we do
• 85:00 - 85:30 run the same number of times that the number of bundles in the previous section are run uh the same number of times as there are bundles in the previous section what I mean by that is if the input to this is uh one bundle then the output is that same bundle but we didn't just input that one bundle we output three and then three outputs were made simultaneously so bundle operation three rather is um has a value of three operation two has a value of two operation one has a value of one because
• 85:30 - 86:00 that is the value that I extracted from the particular bundle run um from that par Json module at the beginning so without really beating a dead horse at this point I'm just going to um call it there but n10 is is certainly far far better than make.com in flow control um they have the ability to filter just like makom does but then also have built-in IFS Loop over items they can merge data from two different data sets uh they have built-in error handling it's
• 86:00 - 86:30 fantastic another thing I want to bring up is testing if you guys remember earlier when I was attempting to test the um na10 flow all I did was I pinned an example and then I could actually manually modify the content of that example here then all I needed to do was I just ran the subsequent modules or subsequent nodes rather one by one right and it always just used that same input I can't overstate how valuable it is to have that ability in a no code tool because the alternative is basically
• 86:30 - 87:00 make.com where if I want to run something from left to right I basically need to make an API call to my email server every single time I do that so there's no caching of data there there's nothing that easy if you wanted to build that in you'd actually have to manually do that by using something like a set variable module setting it to whatever you want and then on all Downstream modules having to reference that set variable module for your testing and then anytime that you wanted to switch from um staging or uh yeah staging to production
• 87:00 - 87:30 basically you'd have to switch back um over and over and over and over again um which means You' have to go through every module and then change the email body variable back to uh you know the text the email text variable over and over and over again and that's really annoying it's also annoying because they kind of charge you a little bit more for it so not even close NAD 's just much better with testing authorizing and connecting make wins for sure um I know that I showed you some pretty simple connection flows here where all you need to do was log into
• 87:30 - 88:00 your Gmail but in reality NAD 's connection flows are substantially harder most of the time um if you wanted to connect I don't know like a Google sheet or something actually you know what now you could probably do one click off right yeah okay I take that back you can do one click off here but previously if you wanted to do um I don't know something like a Google Drive you would have to create a credential and then you would have to go and use um you basically have to like do a whole API connection which is obviously extraordinarily intimidating for new users so like
• 88:00 - 88:30 really you're going to have to go into the um you know Google Cloud console and get the ooth redirect URL the client ID the client secret and you have to read super annoying but also very intimidating documentation on how to do this um which you know honestly you could screw up and it could take you forever and you could be totally dead ended whereas if you wanted to do the same thing with make.com you would just add a you know a Google drive module here and the connection to this is literally just again sign in with Google it's sort of a oneclick sort of deal so very
• 88:30 - 89:00 straightforward U make.com even despite the fact that they have like 10 times the built-in modules um it's just much much better there so make definitely wins uh on that respect for web Hooks and mail hooks um make wins as well it's extraordinarily simple and this isn't going to make sense unless you have like a um no code background but it is extraordinarily simple to set up a a custom basically event handler in make.com all you do is you click add you
• 89:00 - 89:30 make new web hook let's just do YouTube example I've had to start writing YouTube example because I went through all of my connections a little while ago and there were like 8 million that were just ASDF um I'm just going to say YouTube example um you know n8n versus make web hooks um it they just give you an address and you can just send a request to this address anytime you want and then something will automatically populate here it's crazy if you think about about it um in nadn you know they have an equivalent feature if you go down to web hook but I find in general
• 89:30 - 90:00 um it's just it's just a lot clunkier and it's a lot more annoying to use um you know if you were to listen for the test event I I don't know in my limited experience admittedly I might have less than you know 200 hours or something like that on naden in total at this point um the NAD web hooks are substantially more annoying to deal with um if you do the wrong request type instead of a get or you do a post or something like that they won't just tell you that you did the wrong request type type you'll just be stuck here waiting uh there's a difference between test URLs and then production URLs which you
• 90:00 - 90:30 know is important if you're like a computer program or something but the vast majority of non-technical folks they won't remember to change um the test to the production and likewise and then they ask for some sort of like o usually by default so it's a lot more secure don't get me wrong but if you want to get up and running with this stuff make is is definitely Superior another issue is uh there's no built-in mail hook feature make basically coin the term mail hook but now it's like a very uh you know like a lot of people expect this a mail Hook is just like a web hook it's just instead of a web hook um it's an email address so if you send
• 90:30 - 91:00 an email to this address like if I go back here and if I were to just make an email I could actually like have a flow set up that um you know basically like does something every time you send an email to this address think of the uh possibilities and opportunities here you could basically instantly you know create a system that that that you CC something and it does something else it it adds a record to clickup or if you BCC or something like that maybe it automatically starts following a user on a social media platform like the um
• 91:00 - 91:30 abilities here for male Integrations particularly are Limitless so if that's something that you're looking to do a lot of you know definitely look more towards make um AI features uh I hope that this is self-explanatory but um n8n wins hands down uh I know I covered the text classifier here but the biggest module and probably the most popular one is the AI agent module here as I mentioned the really cool part of the AI agent if I just exit out of this and kind of scroll down is it is even has this inherent chat feature which is crazy um but uh
• 91:30 - 92:00 there's nothing like this in make.com make's not even close you basically have to rebuild the wheel every time you want to do something like this so uh you know when a chat message is received and you can even you could chat with the model right here it will go and it will call a chat model of your choosing so open AI chat model going to select my credentials uh sure let's do GPT 4 mini then it'll also talk to a uh memory store that you have which stores five or
• 92:00 - 92:30 however many messages you want from your past conversation history and then depending on that you can choose a tool that you want it to do which is pretty crazy so uh I don't know this is the the simplest API in the whole wide world um I don't know if I'm actually going to do a tool usage I'm trying to like find a very simple example maybe we'll we'll do the Gmail API and then we're just going to read through um let's not send let's get maybe get many we're going to
• 92:30 - 93:00 simplify them and then now we're going to chat with our little AI agent hi how's it going all right AI agent is already here and ready to help you what can you do for me it can retrieve information do email management task assistance and general advice like that's pretty crazy could you retrieve my
• 93:00 - 93:30 last retrieve my most recent um most recent email from info@ left click. we're just going to send it an email sorry send it a message ask it to retrieve the most recent email from info left click. it's then going to call my little tool and it's going to take a while for that tool to obviously consume and do it whatever it is that it needs to do but then it goes through and it finds the tool in my email inbox just using
• 93:30 - 94:00 natural language and as you can see I set that up in like 3 seconds right so it includes a snippet includes all the data and all that stuff um you can make this arbitrarily complicated I added a single tool here you could add 500 I mean you probably shouldn't add 500 but what you can do is you can add five and then one of the other ones you can add is another AI agent which filters some other stuff essentially what you're doing is you're you're making this big decision tree which is pretty neat and you can chain together however many of the things that you want um it does start to break down after a certain point and I won't say that it's like super business um capable at the moment
• 94:00 - 94:30 but it's very clear that this is going to be the future of the vast majority of businesses they're just going to have a agents that wrote decisions and do queries so yeah not even close nen wins hands down if you're looking to get more involved in AI agents and that's like kind of the the the next step you want to take then nen's the one for you sharing and collaborating functionality and it then also wins on that front um if I just go over here if I wanted to share this flow which you know it's kind of two parts so let me just delete this a agent sorry buddy you're not taking my job just yet we click share over here
• 94:30 - 95:00 sorry not share well we could we can collaborate with other people on our workspace very easily with that button but if we go over here and then we click um download uh you can basically um very quickly and easily download like a blueprint file or a Json uh which is similar to um what make.com allows you to do and what this data is is it's basically like a code representation of all modules in your flow along with all the connections and like the positions on the page and all the test data and stuff like that which is obviously pretty neat
• 95:00 - 95:30 right the benefit to this though is if you think about it um there's also the ability to import from a URL um which is kind of new so you can actually import a workflow from a URL you can remember how earlier we said that there were a bunch of templates well this is what's happening under the background you can actually just click any one of these workflows and instantly just import it to your um workspace you can also copy the template to your and I could just paste this in and it literally just like paste in this huge Lego block like thing and as you can see you know you can get arbitrarily big and
• 95:30 - 96:00 complicated with this stuff I mean you know this flow could be I don't know could start here or go all the way down here there could be 8 million modules involved not that I recommend you build flows out of 8 million modules but I think you guys see what I'm saying um with this copy and paste stuff make.com is a lot more annoying I find with this um you have to use this little import blueprint thing and they have to choose a file on your computer um there's nowhere near as big of a template Library available like there are templates don't get me wrong I just find that the templates are nowhere near as nuanced or as valuable and this is coming from somebody that like actually
• 96:00 - 96:30 uses these to make real money um these are usually just one or two step flows and like yeah they're cool and stuff and that's nice but nowhere near as detailed as like the thriving developer open source Community um that nadn has unfortunately so your ability to collaborate is definitely impacted hotkeys nadn definitely crushes it with hock keys not just um uh like the the availability of the hock keys but also the fact that they like teach you everything if you Mouse over stuff um it'll just tell you what hotkey you need to click in order to have it happen so top right hand corner here I'm mousing over this plus button it says hey man
• 96:30 - 97:00 quick clicking this button next time just press tab instead right um variety of other examples of this but yeah they lend themselves to this little test uh text interface quite a bit which I like and uh you know there aren't very many hocky in make.com at all if I'm being honest aside from just like the built-in ones in your browser like you know you can tab through fields for sure but really like that's it I can just tab through Fields is there really nothing else if I wanted to um copy something the copy paste you know cut I mean like
• 97:00 - 97:30 these are all things that are obviously native to my U native to my computer not really built into make.com and I consider it such a shame because I think make.com could be so much more easy to use with some hock keys but they are really just targeting that total Noob demographic I would say um note taking and documentation naden wins for sure um if I wanted to document a flow in make.com for this I would have to click on this notes feature I'd have to right click on this go add a note I'd say you know note about XYZ then click exit out of this I right
• 97:30 - 98:00 click this add a note note about ABC not only is this just not very intuitive like it the only way to see my notes is I have to physically go down here to notes and then give it a click and then and only then will I see it not only is this not very intuitive it's just it's very limited with like what you can do I mean sure you could make this really long if you wanted to I guess but I don't know there's like no there's no formatting um you can only see it if you click on the button you have this little arrow I guess what I'm trying to
• 98:00 - 98:30 say is Ned end just does a much much better job on those you guys remember that template that I just copy and pasted a moment ago if I copy this again then go back here like if I paste this puppy in just look at the way that this is documented right you have a variety of different formatting um options natively accepts markdown which is just a text formatting method you can drag and drop these to be visible anywhere you want um there's so much information basically on everything that you can you can like document any flow that you possibly want for you or somebody else
• 98:30 - 99:00 in your team for instance so that makes it just a lot easier and clearer to use in general so I hope I'm not convincing you to use you know NAD over make.com necessarily um what I'm going to do next just tell you guys what I would do if I were in your shoes um oh sorry one more thing we have some Financial comparisons to do I spoke a little too early okay let's do the financial comparisons and then at the end I'll talk about which platform I would use if I were in your shoes right now and I were kind of at the start line of my business versus if I were sort of halfway through so Financial comparison wise um now I think you know how each platform Works realistically let's now turn to the
• 99:00 - 99:30 major topic that is on most people's minds and is honestly the main reason why most people choose one platform or the other um the financials involved so how much money could you realistically expend to spend on realistically expect to spend on each platform if you wanted to what I'm going to do next is I'm going to break costs down below so you guys can make the best decision for you um to keep things relatively equal across each of these I'm going to be using a hypothetical example where you just need to run the system that I built 2,500 times per month or a little under 100 times per day so 2,500 times per month I don't know it's like 80 times a
• 99:30 - 100:00 day or something like that um I'm assuming that you know you get 80 emails a day that may seem a little crazy for you but I guess if you think about it logically if you're running like a big info at email or hello at or something 80 emails a day while on the higher end of the number of emails you might receive it's actually not that crazy to consider so we're going to start by doing a financial breakdown of NN and then I'm going to do a financial breakdown of make.com as well if I start with the um nadn Financial breakdown which apparently disappeared for some reason let's exit out of this puppy and
• 100:00 - 100:30 see if I start with this n8n financial breakdown um basically the way that their pricing works is and I I've clicked monthly on all of these you can also buy annual plans and I think the pricing is a little bit different but not by that much um n8n is absolutely 100% free if you self host it I'm going to cover that in a second but I just want to make sure that everybody here knows that's like one of the main draws of the the self hosting feature now I'm going to be comparing this on a cloud hosting to Cloud hosting
• 100:30 - 101:00 um basis just because doesn't really make sense to compare apples to oranges let's compare oranges to oranges to start if you were to compare oranges to oranges and then go Cloud um based hosting for both naden and make.com here's what it looks like um you will pay $24 a month for 2,500 workflow executions and five active workflows what is a workflow execution to be clear a workflow execution is this one run of this is a workflow execution so that runs 80 times a day
• 101:00 - 101:30 you're consuming 80 workflow executions a day um you are allowed five active workflows what is an active work if we go back to personal here I'm just going to save this flow and exit out and go back to the dashboard five would be five systems that are clicked to active so one two three four five that is all you would be able to do for $24 which to be honest pretty crappy the fact that they limit the number of active workflows you have on the $24 month plan that's kind
• 101:30 - 102:00 of crappy um so not very good there because I mean I can think of a dozen scenarios where well scenarios is a funny word uh I can think of a dozen instances where you could have where you would need substantially more than five to do even like some of the more basic things in a business so I really don't like how they limit the number of active workflows it's probably like the shittiest part of their pricing model to be honest but obviously you know the cell phone posting comes in handy and anytime you're over five that's typically what people do so if we were to run a scenario 2,500 times um you
• 102:00 - 102:30 know obviously this would be under the $24 a month plan because we have one active workflow uh that's how much it would cost €24 I should say per month now let's chat really quickly about the self-hosting if you self-host an NAD workflow you don't pay them a dime your only costs are the server that you are going to be using to host your na10 open source instance that's it so most of the time in practice server costs like at the beginning and end of the range might be 5 to 10 bucks a month the higher end of the range you might be spending like 30 40 50 bucks a month if you have like a pretty good server if you want to
• 102:30 - 103:00 spend like a couple hundred bucks a month or whatever you'll have like the best server ever but you probably don't really need to unless you're doing something me mega Enterprise so what that means is you know you can kind of get away with five bucks a month and theoretically on that five bucks a month you could like probably scale to over 100,000 workflow executions so like that's 40 times what you're getting for €24 a month you know um there's so many options like there's there's render that's one uh service digital ocean easy panel I mean I can throw out like 500 here and I know a lot of people have like a lot of these companies have
• 103:00 - 103:30 actually reached out to me being like hey Nick can you do a video on self-hosting N using our platform because it's blowing up right now I never have um but when I do end up making that video I'm just going to pick whatever one is the best not necessarily whichever one sponsors me um but yeah you can you can get you know servers and all these for like five to 10 bucks a month is and then you could run 100,000 workflow executions and since a workflow execution in nnn is very different from a an operation consumption in make like this is pretty huge right if the average make scenario has 10 operations or 10
• 103:30 - 104:00 modules and it run it takes 10 operations every run like theoretically this is like a million operations a month for like five bucks a month so that's what's really attractive to a lot of people that do make.com uh and that's one of the reasons why a lot of people are switching over to NN now in terms of scaling though not captured in our example um the key point in NN is how affordably it scales make.com doesn't really scale very affordably a single scenario can seee many Ops usually between 5 to 25 I want to say um n8n will only ever count a single workflow on their Cloud offering
• 104:00 - 104:30 additionally if you're doing self-hosted you can run an infinite number of workflows for the same or slightly elevated cost per month which is nothing so that's pretty cool obviously um anaden has uh quite a lot of Big Deck energy there if you could just self host your make thing and just never have to pay them how great would that be right moving on let's do a make.com financial breakdown so as you see here there variety of plans on the monthly side of things there's free plan there's a core plan a Pro Plan teams plan Enterprise plan I should note that um you technically don't have like a free plan here for the cloud hosting it's just the
• 104:30 - 105:00 self hosting so technically like make.com is more accessible um at the lower levels you can get started for free right you don't actually have to pay a dime nor do you have to know any computer programming or anything you can actually get up and running for $0 but generally if you want to do anything meaningful in a business you're going to need you're going to need core or up um the good news is core starts at just $159 so $10,000 offs a month pretty simple um when I wrote this I thought that our scenario would include five modules I believe it only ended up including four right yeah it only ended up including four so um this is actually
• 105:00 - 105:30 even less than this uh so the logic that I did here with five was I said you know if we run this 2,500 times a month we have five modules which get executed 5 * 2,500 is 12,500 12,500 would be over the limit of most built-in $10,000 on Ops month plans like core for 1059 or Pro for 1882 or teams for 3412 so you'd have to upgrade um that would then cost 1882 per month on this plan on 20,000 instead um but you know because we're doing this for just uh I don't know four times 2500
• 105:30 - 106:00 technically this fits under the core plan for $10.59 a month which makes make a lot more cost effective than nnn's Cloud hosted offer for this example uh this does make it less cost effective than their self-hosted offers still in most cases because you can usually get a server for less than this um and that server would be able to run like 100 times this right now the issue with make.com I would say pricing wise is it just scales really fast um most scenarios are going to include a ton more modules than our little example did with five or four I should say and a lot of the time there'll be some sort of looping functionality where you might
• 106:00 - 106:30 run the scenario once but you have 50 bundles so 50 Time 5 or four is instantly 200 and if you run that like more than a few times a day you basically you're like using your entire month's operation budget with just one scenario so that kind of sucks um yeah I'm not going to graph it for you guys but essentially it's like more affordable at the beginning and then it like spikes way up and what's interesting um depending on how long you guys have been in you know the no code business for is this is basically the comparison between zapier and make.com
• 106:30 - 107:00 um a few years ago zapier was kind of the one that was like you know scaled way the hell up and if you were like a pro and you wanted to like get better at this stuff you'd move over to make but now that same determination is kind of being made between make and and NN and it makes sense if you think about it because the market itself in no code is getting more sophisticated like I don't know five or 10 years ago I mean how many people were out there developing no code stuff fewer right but over the course of The Last 5 Years like of those people have become really good and the median ground of the market has become reasonably good so if you're really good or reasonably good it makes sense that
• 107:00 - 107:30 you'd start going towards more developer friendly applications right that's just logical anyway which one should you choose drum roll please this is probably what most people here were waiting for Nick what would you choose if uh you were in my shoes let me tell you it depends I'd pick uh I'd pick one or the other depending on circumstance so as I mentioned before almost all noode platforms are capable of the same things if you can do something and make you can absolutely do it in NN it's not just a matter of is this possible it's a matter of how many steps would be required in
• 107:30 - 108:00 order for me to do this how difficult would this be right so I I really want to like prove that to you guys that you can do anything in either one and that's why I buil that same system in both and we had relatively different approaches for them now simple answer to the question is make is going to be easier for simpler things naden is going to be easier for more complex and operationally intensive more expensive things so you if you find yourself doing easier things more often if you're not very technically competent you know it's easier for simple applications nadn is going to be better for you if you're operationally intensive spending a lot
• 108:00 - 108:30 of money on make OPs and that sort of stuff so let me give you guys some context and then tell you exactly what I would do if I were starting um naden clearly markets itself as for developers by developers it's growing very quickly especially in the last few months makes sense because as I've mentioned here it's a New Concept so as time pass the market has gotten more skilled so users want better tools right now make.com markets itself is for everybody despite not being accessible or open source but it's a much simpler tool to get up and running with and beginners often find it more intuitive as you get more experience with programming though its
• 108:30 - 109:00 built-in features will get limiting and then costs will scale reasonably quickly so if I were starting over again like if Nick you know day one man like what would you pick today 2025 just heading out into the automation world uh whether I wanted to build something for myself or you know for for for my clients or whatever what would you do I would go with make.com the reason why is because the barrier to entry for me to build something that produces actual tangible
• 109:00 - 109:30 business value like today that drives an Roi for my own company or the companies that I work with that I'm selling services to is lower it's simpler it's easier to get up and running with that's all I care about all I care my whole Paradigm you know if you guys watch the rest of my content get up and running quickly say yes to everything figure it out later right so it' be very easy for me to learn and then start seeing a payoff and that payoff would feed back into my motivation to learn which would ultimately cut my learning curve right what I would do after that is over the
• 109:30 - 110:00 course of months or years naturally I'm going to get better at this stuff because you get better at stuff that you do more often so as my skills and needs develop I would start looking into NN as a natural progression of my journey it is very clear that nadn is where the future of all of this stuff is going nadn is devouring market share and it's growing very quickly and their AI agent functionality in particular is just blow the hell keep blowing the hell up over the course of the next years so I definitely start doing that and the benefit there is as you could see most
• 110:00 - 110:30 of the the the concepts that underly these different terms they're really the same right like a node is a module um nodes and modules both have fields that you drag and drop different you know little colored things to uh there's there's testing involved in flows and stuff right like if you start with make.com it'll probably take you and you know you get to a sufficient level it'll probably take you 20% of the time and otherwise would it taken you had you just started with nadn off the bat so your total time investment is not you know I have to learn a whole another thing from scratch so it's two times as
• 110:30 - 111:00 much no it's really like 1.2 times as much it's 1.2 times as much and then you get to deliver value very quickly for your clients and for your own businesses you you you keep motivated because it's a simple platform then you also you know as your skills naturally develop get to pick up the harder and harder continue challenging yourself and growing so that is what I would do if I were starting over again tldr I'd go with make to begin with and then eventually I'd move over to to NN okay thank you for watching this guide that takes us to the end of the walkth through I really hope you guys
• 111:00 - 111:30 enjoyed I had a lot of fun putting all this stuff together obviously if you guys like the content that I put out um I run two programs that teach people how to build automation companies scale their automation agencies uh and you know essentially build Lifestyles um that are on the the upper echelon of what most people think is possible the first is called maker school it's a simple daily accountability program if I can open the tab it's a simple daily accountability program run by me where you essentially have a list of tasks that you do every
• 111:30 - 112:00 single day um and those tasks are primarily lead generation oriented they revolve around a few tried andrue dedicated lead gen channels that that worked for me and for almost a thousand other people at the time of this recording and I coach you through it there are tons of videos you know little three four minute Snippets here there I think a total it's over 200 now um I give you templates I walk you through some underground methods I used to find high high paying qualified automation leads and then you also get one monthly group call with me where you can literally ask me whatever you want I stay on for like two hours once a month two and a half hours sometimes depends
• 112:00 - 112:30 on how badly I need to pee and uh yeah you know if you guys want to like hear me answer all of your questions that's kind of where you do it I also run a community called makemoney withm make.com now as I mentioned here nat10 is taking the Lion Share of um you know new automation interest and their AI agent stuff is picking up so I may change the name depending on when you're watching this is something that just has more to do with General General automation than specifically make.com but essentially this is the next step after make money uh maker school after you get those first few customers after
• 112:30 - 113:00 to get the ball rolling what you do is you get into this program makemoney withm make.com where I'm still coaching you but I'm coaching you at like a higher level I'm also involving you uh more often in consultations so instead of it being once a month it's once a week and then I have courses and programs therein that are more to do with like scaling a business necessar rather than necessarily just getting up and running so I'm going to leave links for both of those in the description I don't want to like pitch you know I want to keep the the value of my content at like 99% me giving stuff to you 1% me talking about it but given the fact that this video is probably over 3 hours by
• 113:00 - 113:30 this point I think that's uh probably on brand for me if anybody has any questions about this let me know if you guys want a video about something that maybe I I didn't cover here um then please shout and if you guys are a fan of na10 you guys want to learn more about the platform I'm going to be doing a big video series um just over the course of the next few weeks where I do things very similar to what a different make.com I'm going to show you how to make actual Revenue with this platform I'm going to show you how to build systems that don't just look good but they actually do good um you know really just pull the wool out from from over your eyes thank you again for your time
• 113:30 - 114:00 looking forward to the next one have a great rest of day everybody